@ Steve
> One point I didn't see in RFC's post is stability. When I used OpenBSD
> back in 2010, subjectively it seemed more stable, more consistent, and
> less surprising than any Linux I'd ever used (and of course than any
> Windows I'd ever used). If my computer were just for web browsing,
I'd like to chime in here, on a slightly different subject.
I think the OP (Clark) raises a point, but I suggest he's coming it
from the wrong angle. I think there's something here to discuss that I
have not seen mentioned in this thread thus far.
TL;DR: the OpenBSD (and friends) way of thinking
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 05:05:25PM +1000, Jonathan Gray wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 07:26:54PM -0400, Charles wrote:
> > Hello list,
> >
> > Ever since the new inteldrm driver got merged into -current, shortly
> > before the 6.5 release, I'm seeing an odd new behav
no effect.
I would attach xorg logs and dmesg, but AFAIK misc@ does not allow
attachments, and I don't want to annoy people with that much inline
info.
Thanks,
~ Charles
init.el:
(set-input-mode t nil t)
On 3/19/24 03:07, Irek Szcześniak wrote:
Hi,
I would like to use Emacs in the console, but the problem is the Meta
key. I'm using OpenBSD 7.4 GENERIC.MP#1397 amd64 with regular PC
keyboards where I got used to the left Alt as the Meta key. I know
that
(rather than forwarded to port 25)
with the --mda or -m option.
Best regards,
Charles Longeau
.
Worked for us.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
603.924.6079
gw#
I have this thing hooked up via serial now, so if someone can point me in
the right direction (how to get a dump when booting from CD, how to look
at that dump, etc.), I will gladly do so. I have also included the 3.3
dmesg below.
Thanks,
Charles
_
Here is the partial boot message
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Leaving the history intact, following up below. An offlist reply
suggested trying a more recent snapshot of -current. It also paniced in
the same place.
On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, Kenneth R Westerback wrote:
On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 03:23:15PM -0500, Charles Sprickman wrote:
Hello all,
I have
to
save a dump when booting off of the install CD. I do have a serial
console available (set tty com0). If getting a dump isn't possible, I'd
then like to know how to get into the kernel debugger.
I figure that I can gather information that's more helpful this way.
Thanks,
Charles
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006, Rogier Krieger wrote:
On 2/3/06, Charles Sprickman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It either freezes or panics when probing (or creating?) rd0, which I
assume is the ramdisk used in the install. It runs 3.3 fine.
Perhaps you need to look at the FAQ if you're running i386
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, Nick Holland wrote:
Charles Sprickman wrote:
Hello all,
I'm still not able to get OpenBSD 3.4-3.8 loaded on my old firewall box.
It either freezes or panics when probing (or creating?) rd0, which I
assume is the ramdisk used in the install. It runs 3.3 fine.
So rather
://cvs.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/query-pr-wrapper?full=yesnumbers=5417
Best regards,
Charles Longeau
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in /usr/src/clamav-0.88.3 (line 374 of Makefile).
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/src/clamav-0.88.3 (line 233 of Makefile).
===
I'm going to have to update this on a regular basis and need to figure
out how to do it so I'm looking for some pointers, please.
thanks,
--charlie
--
Charles Farinella
]console in [keyboard] USB and ADB found, using
USB
: memaddr 8400 size 400, : consaddr 8400, : ioaddr 8092,
size 2: memtag 8000, iotag 8000: width 640 linebytes 640 height 480
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[EMAIL
644 5 *
24Z
/var/amavisd/clamav/log/clamd.log _amavisd:_amavisd 644 5 *
168 Z
~
Charles Farinella
Appropriate Solutions, Inc. (www.AppropriateSolutions.com)
[EMAIL
On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 20:54, Garance A Drosihn wrote:
At 5:56 PM -0400 8/17/06, Charles Farinella wrote:
Hi,
All my logs rotate as expected except 1, my amavisd.log.
My newsyslog.conf file follows and I have the amavisd.log
set up the same as the rest of them. I have no idea what's
wrong
On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 18:35, Bryan Irvine wrote:
can you port the output of syslogd -d?
--Bryan
On 17 Aug 2006 17:56:40 -0400, Charles Farinella
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
All my logs rotate as expected except 1, my amavisd.log. My
newsyslog.conf file follows and I have
I've gotten a few replies with people interested in
parting with E450s, 250s, 280s, and 220s (I have an
Ultra 2 to throw onto the pile, for what its worth).
So far, every reply has been, It's yours if you pay
to ship it.
If any devs would find any of these useful, or know of
a dev who would find
on category).
I'll chip in 50 EUR/USD to the categories which receive most interest.
Let's do it!
Best regards,
Charles
Good afternoon!
So, before the next make build I must rebuild the yacc alone.
I would like to know how can I rebuild yacc.
I searched in old errata patches, Makefiles, bsd.*.mk files.
In my previous logfile (2008.07.07/src_make_build) I see, that by
yacc the make cleandir is used:
rm -f yacc.cat1
Good afternoon!
In xenocara/MODULES file a needs-update entry, eg by neomagic,
can provoke errors, like PR pending/5836 [0]?
The PR in short:
On i386 ThinkPad 600X (NeoMagic 256ZX NM2360) doesn't work
WindowMaker since 2008.04.10 (or before too, that was my first test
after 4.3 RELEASE
--- On Sat, 7/12/08, Charles Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Charles Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: neomagic and the needs-update entries
To: misc@openbsd.org
Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 6:09 PM
Good afternoon!
In xenocara/MODULES file a needs-update entry,
eg by neomagic,
can
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Thanks to all for the help.
Martin Toft wrote:
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 09:32:02AM -0500, Charles Farinella wrote:
I have an OpenBSD 3.9 machine with a public IP providing NAT and
firewalling for our internal network. It has 3 interfaces:
dc0: public ip from internet X.X.X.25
dc1: 192.168.100
Charles Farinella wrote:
Thanks to all for the help.
Martin Toft wrote:
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 09:32:02AM -0500, Charles Farinella wrote:
I have an OpenBSD 3.9 machine with a public IP providing NAT and
firewalling for our internal network. It has 3 interfaces:
dc0: public ip from internet
Charles Farinella wrote:
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 09:32:02AM -0500, Charles Farinella wrote:
I have an OpenBSD 3.9 machine with a public IP providing NAT and
firewalling for our internal network. It has 3 interfaces:
dc0: public ip from internet X.X.X.25
dc1: 192.168.100.x to internal network
to create a web section listing the reasonable and bastard vendors?
I think it would be useful in two points:
* helps to OpenBSD community to choose the right hardware
* make good or bad publicity depending on real vendor's position
Anyway it's only an idea.
+1
I very like the idea.
Index: src/etc/root/root.mail
===
RCS file: /cvs/src/etc/root/root.mail,v
retrieving revision 1.87
diff -u -r1.87 root.mail
--- src/etc/root/root.mail 24 Jun 2009 06:46:07 - 1.87
+++ src/etc/root/root.mail 30 Sep
--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Miod Vallat m...@online.fr wrote:
It's too late for this.
Yes, I have realised this too after sending. Sorry for the noise.
Good afternoon!
When there is a major bump in src/.../shlib_version files,
snapshots sets must be correspond with snapshots packages.
For example:
src/lib/libkrb5/shlib_version
src/gnu/lib/libiberty/shlib_version
src/lib/libc/shlib_version
src/lib/libm/shlib_version
Maybe with minor bump too?
Can we ask in the future something similar at src/*/shlib_version major bumps?
Index: current.html
===
RCS file: /cvs/www/faq/current.html,v
retrieving revision 1.221
diff -u -r1.221 current.html
--- current.html 27 May 2010
Thank you for the polite answers.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Charles Smith chasm_...@gmx.com wrote:
Can we ask in the future something similar at src/*/shlib_version major
bumps?
Can we ask in the present that you actually describe what problem you're
trying to solve when you suggest
Or maybe just send a heads up mail to m...@.
Nowadays I'm using snapshots, but it can be current also, it is imo unimportant
within aspect.
Sometimes, seldom, I see on sources-changes@ major bumps.
I mark the precise date, when the major bump happened.
At the next upgrade i pay big attention that my base system must correspond
with
- Original Message -
From: Vadim Zhukov
2010/5/28 Charles Smith chasm_...@gmx.com:
Or maybe just send a heads up mail to m...@.
You do not need to bother about ABI changes if you're using -STABLE(thanks to
developers). And if you're using -CURRENT, you'redefinitely advised
Can we ask in the future something similar at src/*/shlib_version major
bumps?
to avoid ``pkg_add -u'' complaining about bad
major/minor I do the following:
- check that my mirror is up to date
ie ``ls'' to make sure all files belong
to the same snap
you mean: all
- Original Message -
From: Jean-FranC'ois SIMON
Sent: 09/08/10 08:50 PM
To: openbsd-misc
Subject: preserving editor files
Hi All,
At start-up the OS stays several minutes on preserving editor files.
Could you please inform me what to do about this what is the system
Is the absence of a graphical browser from the base system
a statement that any attempt to do such things as look at
stuff on youtube is inherently unsafe?
Is tor considered a safe way to do anonymous browsing, or
does openbsd recommend an alternative?
Hi,
I have a pair of routers running OpenBSD 4.2 release, each with four ethernet
interfaces (fxp0, fxp1, fxp2, fxp3) and carp on all four interfaces. fxp0 and
fxp1 are /30 networks over which I run BGP sessions to our upstream
providers.
Router A is the primary machine with advskew 0 and
I've been looking into this some more. Are there any issues which
CARP/OpenBGPd when machines in the CARP group do not have an IP address of
their own - ie. they have only a shared CARP address?
I find that in this situation, when the CARP master fails the backup router
correctly becomes
yes,that is the result of games carp plays with routes (which it
shouldn not, imo, but anyway). it should finally work as advertised in
-current even with unnumbered carpdevs.
Hi Henning,
Thanks for the quick response. I will update to -current tomorrow and let you
know how I get on.
All
yes,that is the result of games carp plays with routes (which it
shouldn not, imo, but anyway). it should finally work as advertised in
-current even with unnumbered carpdevs.
Hi Henning,
Updating to -current did the trick. Thanks very much.
What was the problem here?
Charlie
,
Charles RAPENNE
2013/3/13 Andi andiro...@gmail.com:
Hello everybody,
I'm thinking about putting the openBSD 5.2, in a desktop machine, in order
to make this a server.
The hardware configuration is:
intel i3, 1TB of HD, nvidia 9800.
But I'm wondering about this, if it will be good idea?
If it's
are normal.
Regards
Charles
2013/4/17 Tor Houghton t...@bogus.net:
Hello,
I found and repurposed an old PowerBook6,4 yesterday. Thanks all who worked
on the macppc port.
The onboard BCM4306 appears to be working just fine after running fw_update
too.
I have a question regarding the onboard
hope you can find an answer; please let me know.
If you file a bug, please forward it to me /or send me a link.
Thanks
Charles
Hi
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think using Nginx
with chroot is useful when dealing with proxy_pass or fastcgi
application.
If your RoR app is compromised, it won't be chrooted as it's not
running in a chroot. All nginx will do is serving static files.
Regards
2013/6/9
On 06/25/13 16:25, toby wrote:
Hi there,
I just wondered if anyone else had found that the shasums on the latest
(24/06/13) snapshots are wrong. I've just tried upgrading from all the
different mirrors here in the UK got shasum errors for all the non X
parts from the Oxford mirror, the
On the FAQ of the project website, you will find a how-to compile it
on OpenBSD, you need to edit 2 or 3 files before compiling it.
2013/7/9 Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.com:
is anyone using goaccess 0.5 with 5.2 or 5.3?
When running './configure' I get:
checking for a BSD-compatible
Le 2013-12-21 01:08, Theo de Raadt a écrit :
I am resending this request for funding our electricity bills because
it is not yet resolved.
We really need even more funding beyond that, because otherwise all of
this is simply unsustainable. This request is the smallest we can
make.
---
Hi
Hello, I would suggest a DNS problem.
Do you rsync directly to an ip address or are you using avec domain name
? That would explain why the first only is failing and not the second
one.
The DNS server you use may have some problems during the night.
If you don't use a domain name, this can't be
Hi,
I'm looking to create or cobble together functionality that automates
network connections as a user roams around with a laptop. The idea is
to respond to changing network availability: wifi network is known, so
connect, or cable was plugged in, or connect for the first time and
remember,
On Jul 18, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote:
On 2014-07-17, Daniel Melameth dan...@melameth.com wrote:
It should have tried WEP first and, if that failed, WPA. ifconfig in
-current can now discern WEP or WPA so this can readily be improved.
...as long as you
On Jul 22, 2014, at 12:59 AM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote:
Out of curiosity, what happens?
It prints the status,
iwn0: flags=8847UP,BROADCAST,DEBUG,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
lladdr 8c:70:5a:62:b7:f8
priority: 4
groups: wlan egress
media:
The need for multiple versions of an application on one machine
doesn't manifest that often. Asking the system to tie itself into
knots for this purpose is likely to result in bloat, convolution and
less reliability.
Some contexts support and indeed encourage the notion of many
versions. For
Hi,
I'm experimenting with using IPv6 via a tunnel broker provided by an
ISP. The tunnel works, but I want to confirm my understanding of the
commands they gave me to set it up. These are the commands:
ifconfig gif0 tunnel 50.1.94.112 72.52.104.74
ifconfig gif0 inet6 alias 2001:470:1f04:204::2
On Aug 19, 2014, at 9:38 PM, Adam Thompson athom...@athompso.net wrote:
IIRC from my experimentation, you've got it exactly right.
Some tunnel brokers give you subnet masks that certain versions of OpenBSD
don't like - that turns out to not actually matter, just use whatever
ifconfig(8)
On Aug 20, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Adam Thompson athom...@athompso.net wrote:
I know - I could tell by the addresses you provided :-).
So much for *my* anonymity... ;-)
Basically, yes. Although you have a router (does things with IP packets),
not a bridge (does things with Ethernet frames) -
On Aug 20, 2014, at 4:15 AM, Ed Hynan eh_l...@optonline.net wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014, Charles Musser wrote:
- prefix::1 is the local address of the interface on the IPv6
network.
No, *::2 is local.
Ah, yes. Despite my best efforts at copyediting, I had the meanings of *::1 and
*::2
On Aug 20, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Ed Hynan eh_l...@optonline.net wrote:
Although this is a little more complex on gif than e.g. an ethernet interface,
alias is at least similar. On a more straightforward type interface, alias
is used adding additional addresses (BTW, not OpenBSD specific, the
I set up a small network in which an OpenBSD machine serves as a
router for a collection of IPv6-only clients. Many thanks to previous
responders to my questions on tunneling with gif(4). This rudimentary
setup is working well: a client machine acquires an address via SLAAC
and can access the IPv6
I'm trying to get LACP working over 2 ports (em0, em1). I've done this
successfully with FreeBSD and 4 ports on the same switch so I know it
can be done, I just can't get it working with OpenBSD. I'm hoping I've
just botched the config somewhere.
The switch is a TP-LINK TL-SG3424, latest firmware
On 09/06/2017 04:07, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> The first step is to have the switch display its idea of the LACP
> configuration and status.
That's turning into a bit of a mission
Seems TP-LINK don't set an enable password by default so I can't get
what I need via ssh until I've set that. To
On 10/06/2017 19:15, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> Not really, other than running tcpdump on the two interfaces and
> examining the LACP protocol packets to try to discover why the
> negotiation is acting the way it is.
OK, that sounds like an even deeper rabbit-hole.
> Also, if you don't have the
On 09/06/2017 04:07, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> The first step is to have the switch display its idea of the LACP
> configuration and status. I haven't a clue how a TP-LINK does that, but on
> our Junipers it's 'show lacp interfaces'.
So I finally found my serial cable
TL-SG3424#show lacp
...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of
Charles Amstutz
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 10:04 AM
To: 'misc@openbsd.org' <misc@openbsd.org>
Subject: Re: l2tp and openbsd 6.1
Hello Noth,
"Try pppx instead of pppx0, it'll work in pf.conf, including as a macro."
I did!! I found another article t
Hello Noth,
"Try pppx instead of pppx0, it'll work in pf.conf, including as a macro."
I did!! I found another article that talked about the group. After reading
this:
http://frankgroeneveld.nl/2015/08/16/configuring-l2tp-over-ipsec-on-openbsd-for-mac-os-x-clients/
However, I still get this
Just in case someone has the same problem and finds this thread, the
solution was to reboot the switch.
That was it - no other changes required.
Hello everyone,
I'm new to this list and l2tp/openbsd (but do have working UNIX/Linux
knowledge). After searching the previous forum posts (and the internet) I have
found a lot of information on l2tp ipsec.conf connection strings. However, I
can't get android to connect. I keep getting IKE
m: Sterling Archer [mailto:deb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 5:35 PM
To: Charles Amstutz <charl...@infinitesys.com>
Cc: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: l2tp and openbsd 6.1
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Charles Amstutz <charl...@infinitesys.com>
wrote:
> Hello everyon
[mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of
lilit-aibolit
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 2:46 AM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Cc: Charles Amstutz <charl...@infinitesys.com>; yasu...@yasuoka.net
Subject: Re: l2tp and openbsd 6.1
Hi,
with l2tp I have situation when iOS and Android devices could c
...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of
Charles Amstutz
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:44 AM
To: 'misc@openbsd.org' <misc@openbsd.org>
Subject: Re: l2tp and openbsd 6.1
Here is a related but new question,
If pppx0 only exists when someone is vpn'ed in. How do people
Here is a related but new question,
If pppx0 only exists when someone is vpn'ed in. How do people handle this in
pf? If you don't define rules, packets get blocked on it. But if there is no
connect, pf complains about pppx0 not having a firewall.
The only thing that seems to work is set
may be relevant / a good starting point for someone
more knowledgeable than I:
* xenocara/driver/xf86-input-ws/include/ws-properties.h
* xenocara/driver/xf86-input-ws/src/emuwheel.c
I would really appreciate any suggestions to troubleshoot further.
Charles
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heel Emulation Button" 2
Thank you Jake and Matthias for your help!
Charles
> I have a similar issue with the X220, the problem is a watchdog
> timer,
> that I suspect is in the Intel ME. It expires without being reset
> and
> forces the machine to restart. Or at least that is the cause of
> that
> happening on my X230's. I've ripped a few of them apart and
>
I'm curious to know if anyone involved with OpenBSD/landisk has any
comments on J-core[1]? It claims to implement SuperH and capability to
boot Linux on an FPGA.
To that end, has anyone tried booting OpenBSD/landisk on a J2 based
system?
One of my hobbies is obscure architectures, and
for
a bug report.
~ Charles
1 -
https://old.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/9v0u4w/t430_wakes_from_suspend_with_lid_closed/
ls are not very good, and I haven't worked with
the CWM codebase before.
~ Charles
...
struct client_ctx *
client_init(Window win, struct screen_ctx *sc, int active)
{
...
if (wattr.map_state != IsViewable) {
client_placecalc(cc);
...
static void
client_placecalc(s
> Charles Amstutz(charl...@binary.net) on 2019.01.30 23:16:17 +:
> > Hello
> >
> > We are running into an issue with a lot of dropped packets where states
> are failing to be created. We have noticed that it coincides with a fair
> amount
> of congestion, arou
> Not sure if it will give any additional clues but can you show dmesg please?
Sure, however, they are quite lengthy, are you wanting the whole thing? I
apologize not sure of protocol here.
> On 2019/02/22 20:45, Charles Amstutz wrote:
> > > Not sure if it will give any additional clues but can you show dmesg
> please?
> >
> > Sure, however, they are quite lengthy, are you wanting the whole thing? I
> apologize not sure of protocol here.
>
>
Charles Amstutz(charl...@binary.net) on 2019.01.30 23:16:17 +:
> Hello
>
> We are running into an issue with a lot of dropped packets where states are
> failing to be created. We have noticed that it coincides with a fair amount
> of congestion, around 10-15/s accordin
Charles Amstutz(charl...@binary.net) on 2019.01.30 23:16:17 +:
> Hello
>
> We are running into an issue with a lot of dropped packets where states are
> failing to be created. We have noticed that it coincides with a fair amount
> of congestion, around 10-15/s accordin
Hello
We are running into an issue with a lot of dropped packets where states are
failing to be created. We have noticed that it coincides with a fair amount of
congestion, around 10-15/s according to 'pfctl -si'.
We finally tried disabling our Carp Interfaces (we are using carp for failover)
problems; wireless
support (though I'm not sure what happened to my extensive set of rtw
bug fixes); Bluetooth; G5; and improved ARM support. This is all good
stuff. In the bigger picture, though, the project needs to do a lot
more.
--
- Charles Hannum - past founder, developer, president
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 12:01:07AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A chicken running around sans head is quite active.
Not really the same thing as productive.
What you don't see is that NetBSD is the chicken in your analogy.
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 05:44:00PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Andy Ruhl wrote:
On 8/31/06, Thorsten Glaser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BSD is about an operating system, not about a kernel.
Bingo. Good point. This point is lost sometimes.
I believe NetBSD has the proper philosophy in
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:40:01AM -0700, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote:
Like, what docs does a vendor engineering division give to the developers
who write the drivers internally? They don't give them bad docs. They give
them functional, useful docs. Does it need to be stated that any project
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 01:08:13AM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote:
They don't have to write device drivers at all, they just should
write good documentation.
Unfortunately, the documentation often isn't so hot either. I'll
give you an example. Even with both code and documentation from
Realtek,
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 12:16:59PM -0700, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote:
From: Charles M. Hannum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:40:01AM -0700, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote:
Like, what docs does a vendor engineering division give to the
developers who write the drivers
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