Re: [MOPO] Problems with Heritage Auction House
Todd, I posted the loss of posters from Grey on MOPO a while back, and for my efforts, received a slew of personal attacks from Grey's MOPO friends. My personal opinion is that you're lucky if you get these back. Grey Smith claims his inventory system is handled by bonded, insured staff. NOT TRUE Their bonded inventory accounting system is on a standard file management system -- which is not up to the security of CPA accounting software. You can go in and change the data without leaving a trace!!! Like you, I have proof that Grey lies about how he keeps track of posters submitted for auction in emails which contradict themself. Our valuable posters which went missing include a British quad Hildebrandt Star Wars, Van Hammersveld Get Carter and Cannes pre-release Conan. One poster he returned to us -- a ripped Scarface printed on standard paper -- was swapped. The Scarface we submitted was a 40 x 60 hand silkscreened poster on thick stock Grey thought we wouldn't recognize the fact we submitted a rare oversize opening silkscreened poster and mailed back a cheap commercial run poster. So warning -- check to make sure the poster you get back -- if you do get back a poster -- is the one you submitted. These posters are from the collection of Charles Lippincott, former VP MGM, Star Wars Corporation (Lucasfilm) and Dino de Laurentis. The Dino Scarface poster was from Dino's office. For UK Star Wars Celebration, look for interview with Charles Lippincott. Also on July 2nd Jimmy Mac of RebelForce Radio will be interviewing Charles Lippincott. From: Todd Feiertag toddfeier...@msn.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 6:19 PM Subject: [MOPO] Problems with Heritage Auction House You know how Heritage touts that they are THE THIRD LARGEST AUCTION HOUSE IN THE WORLD!! Not that Third Largest is something to brag about in the first place, but there's a very good reason why they are third and will NEVER be Number 1 or Number 2. And by the way, they're not even a close third to Sotheby's and Christies. Simply put, they don't know how to treat their consignors. Heritage has pulled some pretty backhanded stunts over the years and I've kept relatively quiet about it but after the latest one today, I've pretty much had it. An incredibly rare and valuable poster that I own was being shipped back to me last Monday, according to Grey Smith. I will return to you Monday and this can wait until you care to auction. That was Monday, June 17th. Today is the 25th and I still don't have the poster back. When I wrote Grey asking where the poster is(and by the way, this is no $3000 Breakfast at Tiffany's, this poster is worth SIX FIGURES!!) and what the tracking number was, he said the poster was on it's way back to a restorer and it was SHIPPED TODAY!! When I responded saying this is BS, that you clearly stated you were returning it TO ME a week ago this past Monday, he then said I will be happy to see if it has left yet, and if not return to you. To which I responded You just said it was shipped back to the restorer today? Now you say you still have it WHAT THE F_ _ _ ARE YOU STILL DOING WITH THE POSTER AFTER YOU GAVE ME YOUR WORD IT WAS BEING SHIPPED TO ME LAST MONDAY?? Apparently, Grey can't keep his word when he says he's going to do something and it seems like he isn't even sure where my poster is. Now, if this is the way they're treating someone who was has consigned some very valuable one-of-a-kind posters in the past and can't keep their word on when and to whom something is supposedly shipped or sure of where a six figure poster is, that doesn't make be feel too secure and maybe Grey needs a very long vacation?? Todd Feiertag Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Need concept artist name
We're writing an article and I'm looking for the name of an artist who did a lot of stuff for Roger Corman. Of note, he did a futuristic motor bike concept poster for the Cannes festival. This was a Corman film in the mid-70's, probably 76-77. This film may not have been in any of the trade mags for Cannes as Corman's ad budget was limited. Bike rider standing over bike wearing a futuristic costume. Bike was probably a jet bike... as you look at poster, rider was facing left. Costume was not like Mad Max (dystopian) but cleaner. Anyone know who I am talking about? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Need concept artist name
Thanks. Someone sent me a link http://wrongsideoftheart.com/wp-content/gallery/posters-d/deathsport_poster_01.jpg The artist was John Solie. From: Posteropolis posteropo...@bell.net To: 'Geraldine Kudaka' gkud...@rocketmail.com; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [MOPO] Need concept artist name The movie was Deathsport. Don’t know the artist. Dave From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Geraldine Kudaka Sent: May-22-13 10:13 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Need concept artist name We're writing an article and I'm looking for the name of an artist who did a lot of stuff for Roger Corman. Of note, he did a futuristic motor bike concept poster for the Cannes festival. This was a Corman film in the mid-70's, probably 76-77. This film may not have been in any of the trade mags for Cannes as Corman's ad budget was limited. Bike rider standing over bike wearing a futuristic costume. Bike was probably a jet bike... as you look at poster, rider was facing left. Costume was not like Mad Max (dystopian) but cleaner. Anyone know who I am talking about? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Boston Marathon
We live near Boston, so we feel what has happened very much. It's great the press hasn't jumped to conclusion as to the identity of the perpetrator -- or perpetrators, in plural. Connecticut is very close to Boston, and what happened there was a single nut massacring a school full of kids. Not a terrorist. Just a typical American whacko. Shockwaves from Boston are reverberating to neighboring states. Lots of stories of real Americans -- like all the people in Boston who came out to help others -- abound. From: Toochis Morin fly...@pacbell.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Boston Marathon A very sad day. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2013, at 11:55 PM, Adrian Cowdry jboh...@aol.com wrote: So America hasanother terrorist attack. May the instigators be swiftly brought to justice. This never happened to the other fella... Adrian Cowdry Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy
Thank you for your response. internet user groups do not function solely as communication between users. MOPO is also used by new members/non-members as a reference source. From: Anthony Smith a.f.sm...@att.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy Morning Geraldine, I don't know you nor do I know Grey Smith. My dealings with Heritage have been few and far between so I have no opinion one way or the other about them. I tell you this to emphasize my neutrality. As we say here in Texas, I have no dog in this fight. There comes a point in any endeavor of diminishing returns. That is where you are now. I mean no offense do not attempt to mitigate your concerns of how you believe you were mistreated ... but having made your case many times, by repeating your accusations you not only are having little or no positive effect on readers you are leavening what sympathy we might have had for you with an increasingly weary disregard or active dislike for your continuing, repetitious now stultifying attacks. Unlike Richie, due to my Lutheran upbringing, I prefer not to be so blunt as to use the term whining ...but he does have a point. To me, and I assume others, it is just white noise. I can't imagine you go to the trouble of writing just to be ignored or mocked by your readers. Unless you have new information to impart you would do yourself (and us) a favor by letting it go. You've made your case, Heritage has responded, those interested have read both sides and made up their minds. Continuing to respond to every errant remark puts you in danger of being regarded as fanatical or erratic and that reflects on you in ways I do not imagine you wish. Regards, Anthony --- On Thu, 1/31/13, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Thursday, January 31, 2013, 12:40 PM Thank you, my sentiments exactly. Pls use delete key in future if you want to avoid either Grey or my response. From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy At 08:51 PM 1/29/2013, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: End of a 6 hour waste of time. I certainly agree with that part Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy
No, writing the response ended up getting munged by yahoo software 3X had aad to be rewritten. I should have written it on a word processing then copied it over to an email program. From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy it took you this long to question? : - P At 11:32 AM 1/31/2013, Phillip W. Ayling wrote:  Owning two copies of each Star Wars posters which had been by 20th Century does not mean we know or care about their value. Ditto for the stack of Van Hammersveld's Get Carter, Imagine, etc. I think you care very much about their value (be it real or inflated) and that causes me to question many of the other things that you say. - Original Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy Philip, we were in the process of inventorying our posters. That was the reason I contacted Rudy. I was researching their value. We had inventoried our posters stock and was researching the value of individual posters. I had a couple of old books, but felt we needed to gain a better, more contemporary view of posters worth so I had started searching the internet. Rudy offers help of people like us in determining what our collection is worth. We had a group of posters which were an odd size that had an imprint at the bottom. We could not find information as to what they were, so googling movie posters, I came upon Rudy's site. I contacted Rudy, and Charley talked to him. Rudy then urged us to send them to Heritage -- which would save us the time of trying to research out poster value.. Rudy was the one who told me about MOPO as a place where we could find information on posters, and that was why we joined the group. Being in the movie industry does not mean you know the value of the posters you have acquired because you worked on the film. That's like asking a chef at a popular restaurant how the credit card processing works at his restaurant. Owning two copies of each Star Wars posters which had been by 20th Century does not mean we know or care about their value. Ditto for the stack of Van Hammersveld's Get Carter, Imagine, etc. I'm sure it is every dealers dream to meet an heir to a former theater distributor or movie exec who has a stack of stuff in their attic which they are willing to sell for a pittance. From: Phillip W. Ayling mro...@earthlink.net To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy  It answers that question and others I didn't even ask. - Original Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka To: Phillip W. Ayling Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy No, you don't have a clue as to what is going on... Does that answer your question? From: Phillip W. Ayling mro...@earthlink.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy  I think I got it. It's the New Year, and in case I forgot from last year and the year before that, Grey Smith is lying cheating scum and Heritage's business practices are dishonest across all of their collecting disciplines. In addition, when Charles Lippincott, Charley Lippincott, the Lippincott Collection, Mrs. Charles Lippincoot, Geraldine Kudalka or Ms Kudaka ( and I can call George Lucas to get the preferred name in the event that I am ever confused) decided to auction part of their collection - after more experience and contacts in film marketing, promotion and merchandising - than I could acquire in multiple lifetimes, they were absolutely clueless about how to do so and were victimized. Oh...and you've hired an attorney and not gotten the relief you seek. Am I closing in on having a sense of understanding? And since it's still January, Happy New Year and Blessings to All - Original Message - From: Zeev Drach To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy Now we know who’s to blame when kids need yet another one in this endless array of toys that pollute every market. From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Geraldine Kudaka Sent: January 29, 2013 11:52 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy Grey, your past business dealing with other poster dealers
Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy
Personally, I think it is really ridiculous the value of some of these Star Wars items. We had lumped a bunch of the Star Wars action figures together -- sent by Kenner directly to Charley and stored in an unopened box until a few years ago, when we started to sell off items -- and listed this 18 figure group on ebay for $20K. Because this was the start of the recession, in the listing, I said Kenner Star Wars toys were a recession proof investment. I got a couple of VERY NASTY letters from Star Wars dealers and no bites. So we packed up the toys and sent them to AFA for grading. Then started listing them individually on ebay. The first 5 figures sold within 30 min of listing at a BIN price which totaled into a sum overshooting any investment one could have made in the period. Zev, fanaticism of Star Wars fans is one of the reason Charley hates dealing with the public. From: Zeev Drach lobb...@rogers.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy Now we know who’s to blame when kids need yet another one in this endless array of toys that pollute every market. From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Geraldine Kudaka Sent: January 29, 2013 11:52 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy Grey, your past business dealing with other poster dealers is not proof you dealt with us in a proper, up and above board manner. We are in a different category of MOPO members -- we are from the group which generated this memorabilia you claim to hold so highly. A specific example would be John Van Hammersveld's Get Carter poster which Charley commissioned John to do while he was working under Mike Kaplan is sought after by MOPOers. While we had multiples of this poster (because Charley worked on it), we are not MOPOers who you can depend on for return buying, selling or trading. Who are we? Charley Lippincott is legendary in film marketing because he changed the face of film marketing by merchandising Star Wars to kids. His advance marketing campaign on STAR WARS changed the way companies marked to kids. Tie-ins and merchandizing became de rigeur. Star Wars also became the top grossing, evergreen empire it is today. Charley's Star Wars campaign is history. Period. From his work archive we have Star Wars material which even Lucasfilm does not have in their holdings. And it’s not only Star Wars.-- Charley was Exec VP at MGM, Dino De Laurentis and Ridley's Alien. When we moved out of Los Angles, we shipped 72,000 pounds, most of which consisted of the Lippincott Collections Charley acquired over his lifetime. Several years ago, looking at liquidating some of the collection, I contacted Rudy Franchi. As the former curator of film at the San Jose Museum of Art and past recipient of NEA film history grants, I knew of Rudy Franchi prior to his PBS fame. I contacted Rudy about some strange sized posters, and Charley ended up speaking with him. The two knew each other by professional reputation -- they were of the same era, had both done publicity, and were interested in criticism. Rudy queried us about the collection and convinced us to send material to Grey, stating Grey would take care of everything. That was part of Heritge's service. As Heritage's web site clearly states their inventory procedure by bonded staff, we were reassured by Rudy and Grey, who called us several times to make sure we got the posters packed and shipped.. I won't go into detail about all the back and forth here. Suffice it to day, I was not happy. On MOPO, I responded to an article someone posted about bad auction houses stating some of inventory went missing. Bruce wanted to which house had lost part of our inventory. I honestly responded -- Heritage. I got barraged by MOPOers -- yes, flamed and nastily accused of bedevilry and evil. Naturally, I responded. MOPOers got angry at one of their cherished brethren for being so churlishly accused and tossed more fireworks at me, to which I responded. All through this, I never said Heritage stole our posters. I said our part of inventory was missing. Grey, then you allegedly sent back our inventory. Prior to this, you had stated our posters were untouched in their original shipping tubes. But the shipping tubes and boxes you sent back to us were not ones we used. Further, a rare, hand-lithographed 40x60 Serpico advanced screening poster (which Charley personally got from Dino's NY office when he was dating Rafaella De Laurentis) had been replaced with a cheap Serpico advance poster that had a taped tear in the same area our original lithograph had been taped Gee, if that doesn't sound like an outright, pathological theft, I don't know what does. Now if you
Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy
Philip, we were in the process of inventorying our posters. That was the reason I contacted Rudy. I was researching their value. We had inventoried our posters stock and was researching the value of individual posters. I had a couple of old books, but felt we needed to gain a better, more contemporary view of posters worth so I had started searching the internet. Rudy offers help of people like us in determining what our collection is worth. We had a group of posters which were an odd size that had an imprint at the bottom. We could not find information as to what they were, so googling movie posters, I came upon Rudy's site. I contacted Rudy, and Charley talked to him. Rudy then urged us to send them to Heritage -- which would save us the time of trying to research out poster value.. Rudy was the one who told me about MOPO as a place where we could find information on posters, and that was why we joined the group. Being in the movie industry does not mean you know the value of the posters you have acquired because you worked on the film. That's like asking a chef at a popular restaurant how the credit card processing works at his restaurant. Owning two copies of each Star Wars posters which had been by 20th Century does not mean we know or care about their value. Ditto for the stack of Van Hammersveld's Get Carter, Imagine, etc. I'm sure it is every dealers dream to meet an heir to a former theater distributor or movie exec who has a stack of stuff in their attic which they are willing to sell for a pittance. From: Phillip W. Ayling mro...@earthlink.net To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy It answers that question and others I didn't even ask. - Original Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka To: Phillip W. Ayling Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy No, you don't have a clue as to what is going on... Does that answer your question? From: Phillip W. Ayling mro...@earthlink.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy I think I got it. It's the New Year, and in case I forgot from last year and the year before that, Grey Smith is lying cheating scum and Heritage's business practices are dishonest across all of their collecting disciplines. In addition, when Charles Lippincott, Charley Lippincott, the Lippincott Collection, Mrs. Charles Lippincoot, Geraldine Kudalka or Ms Kudaka ( and I can call George Lucas to get the preferred name in the event that I am ever confused) decided to auction part of their collection - after more experience and contacts in film marketing, promotion and merchandising - than I could acquire in multiple lifetimes, they were absolutely clueless about how to do so and were victimized. Oh...and you've hired an attorney and not gotten the relief you seek. Am I closing in on having a sense of understanding? And since it's still January, Happy New Year and Blessings to All - Original Message - From: Zeev Drach To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy Now we know who’s to blame when kids need yet another one in this endless array of toys that pollute every market. From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Geraldine Kudaka Sent: January 29, 2013 11:52 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy Grey, your past business dealing with other poster dealers is not proof you dealt with us in a proper, up and above board manner. We are in a different category of MOPO members -- we are from the group which generated this memorabilia you claim to hold so highly. A specific example would be John Van Hammersveld's Get Carter poster which Charley commissioned John to do while he was working under Mike Kaplan is sought after by MOPOers. While we had multiples of this poster (because Charley worked on it), we are not MOPOers who you can depend on for return buying, selling or trading. Who are we? Charley Lippincott is legendary in film marketing because he changed the face of film marketing by merchandising Star Wars to kids. His advance marketing campaign on STAR WARS changed the way companies marked to kids. Tie-ins and merchandizing became de rigeur. Star Wars also became the top grossing, evergreen empire it is today. Charley's Star Wars campaign is history. Period. From his work archive we have Star Wars material which even
Re: [MOPO] COLLECTION DONATED TO THE MARGARET HERRICK LIBRARY
I'd be interested in the link to their collection. We will be going abroad for a while and will not have time to do more than take a cursory glance at their site... but believe me, I do not want to piecemeal it off. From: dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com To: gkud...@rocketmail.com; dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] COLLECTION DONATED TO THE MARGARET HERRICK LIBRARY hello If you wish to donate I have the perfect library that started the entire record and popculture collectins in the United States, Its in BG ohio BG university and I have personally been involved as I appraised the ongoing donations of people like Jeffery Shore the producer of- E Hollywood true storys. TV show.. also I donated various posters and artifacts myself.. Its true that they do trade and sell off dublicates and such.. howevere they have set many standards for archiving and preserving items..I personally toured the dept and If they have the space Im sure they would love the records or could make sure they received good homes.. as far as TX write off I thingk they go off a aapraisel as they are not allowed to set a value.. Howeverbetween myselfand other dealers we could guestimate a value or If You have a bonifide one we could uses that as the benchmark.. Let me know and Ill put you intouch with Them or you can Google and see... Ray Brown started the dept and they have been around for years and are respected. Kindest regards, Tom 419-474-3065 Original Message From: gkud...@rocketmail.com To: dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] COLLECTION DONATED TO THE MARGARET HERRICK LIBRARY Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 09:55:04 -0800 (PST) The other problem is that libraries aren't set up to be able to house collections. We looked at donating Charley's 20,000 vinyl record collection of American jazz to the Library Of Congress and was turned down. Ditto for his alumni, Northwestern. The problem with some collections is the cost of housing. Also, we wanted his jazz collection made available for public use, free of charge, and to remain intact. LOC flat out didn't want it -- it couldn't house more LPS -- and Northwestern wanted us to increase the donation with cash so they could house and staff the collection. For those considering donating to museums or non-profits with the hopes of keeping the collection intact, the laws regarding donations have changed. It used to be -- as in the case of the Isabella Stewart museum -- you could make a stipulation the collection was to remain intact. But that has been overturned. Museums can now find a way to sell off items so that they can use the cash generated to keep their collection current. From: Tom Martin dreamfact...@hollywooddreamfactory.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] COLLECTION DONATED TO THE MARGARET HERRICK LIBRARY Its great when people donate to Museums , schools, and non profit Orgs.. many of the things can be displayed or even sold by the groups as fundraisers. As long as its preserved and not thrown away.. with private collections som are not safe from fire, floods and theft..or even climate conditions. They could get thrown out if the collector passes away and has no instructions or will, I suggest you either make notes and leave a guide to relatives what peiece are good or value and also a list of where to donate. A local friend donated a Huge GWTW collection to Atlanta library vs selling to public. The only problem with Huge collections... they can get packed away in the librarys and never seen... there are some great collections in USC and also Eastman house and some others.. like the Sol lessor camera collection.. that has many historic pieces Also as far as what to give,, its all good even simple stuff as it can be sold to fundraisers and get things the Orgs need. I think its commendable that people donate.. Good job Dwight. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content . Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L
Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy
Thank you, my sentiments exactly. Pls use delete key in future if you want to avoid either Grey or my response. From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy At 08:51 PM 1/29/2013, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: End of a 6 hour waste of time. I certainly agree with that part Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] COLLECTION DONATED TO THE MARGARET HERRICK LIBRARY
We had thought of donating some of our collection, but since they were stolen by one of MOPO's most illustrious dealers -- Heritage -- we are in a far less generous mood. Why donate? Just deal with thieves and your collection becomes lighter PS Rudy, thanks for setting up the deal with Heritage. We'll never forget the favor. From: Rudy Franchi r...@posterappraisal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] COLLECTION DONATED TO THE MARGARET HERRICK LIBRARY it's about 10% of the entire collection and a very focused 10% at that. Clever move: clean out the dead brush and get a lot of publicity for the balance of the collection which has been up for sale for several years. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net wrote: We just got a publicity release from The Academy indicating that longtime collector Dwight Cleveland has donated a significant collection of film posters to the Margaret Herrick library. Over 1000 posters were donated. This is a nice acquisition for the library, and a excellent use for these posters. Dwight is to be commended for making this generous contribution. Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] It took me 6 hrs to write this response Heritage/ Grey / Rudy
Grey, your past business dealing with other poster dealers is not proof you dealt with us in a proper, up and above board manner. We are in a different category of MOPO members -- we are from the group which generated this memorabilia you claim to hold so highly. A specific example would be John Van Hammersveld's Get Carter poster which Charley commissioned John to do while he was working under Mike Kaplan is sought after by MOPOers. While we had multiples of this poster (because Charley worked on it), we are not MOPOers who you can depend on for return buying, selling or trading. Who are we? Charley Lippincott is legendary in film marketing because he changed the face of film marketing by merchandising Star Wars to kids. His advance marketing campaign on STAR WARS changed the way companies marked to kids. Tie-ins and merchandizing became de rigeur. Star Wars also became the top grossing, evergreen empire it is today. Charley's Star Wars campaign is history. Period. From his work archive we have Star Wars material which even Lucasfilm does not have in their holdings. And it’s not only Star Wars.-- Charley was Exec VP at MGM, Dino De Laurentis and Ridley's Alien. When we moved out of Los Angles, we shipped 72,000 pounds, most of which consisted of the Lippincott Collections Charley acquired over his lifetime. Several years ago, looking at liquidating some of the collection, I contacted Rudy Franchi. As the former curator of film at the San Jose Museum of Art and past recipient of NEA film history grants, I knew of Rudy Franchi prior to his PBS fame. I contacted Rudy about some strange sized posters, and Charley ended up speaking with him. The two knew each other by professional reputation -- they were of the same era, had both done publicity, and were interested in criticism. Rudy queried us about the collection and convinced us to send material to Grey, stating Grey would take care of everything. That was part of Heritge's service. As Heritage's web site clearly states their inventory procedure by bonded staff, we were reassured by Rudy and Grey, who called us several times to make sure we got the posters packed and shipped.. I won't go into detail about all the back and forth here. Suffice it to day, I was not happy. On MOPO, I responded to an article someone posted about bad auction houses stating some of inventory went missing. Bruce wanted to which house had lost part of our inventory. I honestly responded -- Heritage. I got barraged by MOPOers -- yes, flamed and nastily accused of bedevilry and evil. Naturally, I responded. MOPOers got angry at one of their cherished brethren for being so churlishly accused and tossed more fireworks at me, to which I responded. All through this, I never said Heritage stole our posters. I said our part of inventory was missing. Grey, then you allegedly sent back our inventory. Prior to this, you had stated our posters were untouched in their original shipping tubes. But the shipping tubes and boxes you sent back to us were not ones we used. Further, a rare, hand-lithographed 40x60 Serpico advanced screening poster (which Charley personally got from Dino's NY office when he was dating Rafaella De Laurentis) had been replaced with a cheap Serpico advance poster that had a taped tear in the same area our original lithograph had been taped Gee, if that doesn't sound like an outright, pathological theft, I don't know what does. Now if you want me to believe that this didn't happen -- or that Charley didn't date Rafaella, or the posters wasn’t a very rare hand-silkscreened poster -- that's your MOPO prerogative. But this switch and repackaging was enough to get me to take out my checkbook and hire a lawyer. Our attorney send a letter to Grey. Waited weeks, no answer... Finally, I queried Grey. He claimed he never received a letter from our attorney. I paid my attorney to send another copy, and we waited for Grey’s answer. Our attorney asked Grey and Heritage to explain their inventory and accounting procedure. Was their much touted inventory on an unsecured database which lacked the means to securely prove alteration of data, i.e., an Excel type of database we all have on our home computers, one which you can go in and modify information at any time, without a legally viable way of proving when the data was entered or altered. Grey did not answer this question, and the answer he gave to other questions do not jive with emails we have received from Heritage... Emails which proved that Grey, with his multi-million dollar resources behind him, did not bother to even go through our documents and emails to verify what he had written prior. So here we are in the court of MOPO, where the good ol' boy system works. Where your personal relationship with Grey colors your judgement. You like Grey? Fine, then Grey's gotta be a maligned victim of a crazy MOPO troll... Is arguing Grey's theft a waste of my precious rapidly-aging life?
Re: [MOPO] FYI -- Heritage GWTW
Personally, I'd find it more interesting if your grandmother was Spartacus :) From: p...@cinemarts.com p...@cinemarts.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] FYI -- Heritage GWTW My grandmother wasn't in GWTW, but I was in SPARTACUS. In fact, I was Spartacus. -Original Message- From: Geraldine Kudaka [mailto:gkud...@rocketmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:42 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] FYI -- Heritage GWTW I had posted this because I'm on an email notice for Heritage at ripoff site. Did not read the date, so my apologies... but if you go to the post, I did add a note which is far more recent, and pertains specifically to Rudy Franchi and Grey Smith. From: Chris Quarles chrisquar...@yahoo.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] FYI -- Heritage GWTW Oooo! As a lawyer, I love the term time barred. Sent from my iPad On Nov 28, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Phillip W. Ayling mro...@earthlink.net wrote: This story is 5 years old.I don't believe that Doug Norwine continues to work at Heritage; at least not in the capacity described. If someone has a real claim, supported by facts then they should have filed a draft complaint; sued or settled by now. I don't know what the time-barred limitations are in Texas, but whining about this seems endless. - Original Message - From: Jeff Potokar To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] FYI -- Heritage GWTW And what was the name of this person's grandmother? Why would William not include this? Seems very odd to leave that little bit of information out of the story, as anyone could write such a claim, saying that his/her unnamed, anonymous grandma or aunt was in GWTW. On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:35 AM, Richard C Evans wrote: Couldn't quite get to the end of that, but think I got the drift. Surely, if someone's sending family heirlooms off to auction, what they can't describe them as is totally priceless. Sent from my iPhone On 28 Nov 2012, at 09:44, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: http://www.ripoffreport.com/liars/heritage-auction-gal/heritage-auction-galleries-m-bjc85.htm Heritage Auction Galleries / Mr. Doug Norwine / Heritage Galleries And Auctioneers A Life Time of Memories are Gone With The Wind, Treasured Inheritance vanishes from FedEx box Dallas Texas Mr. Doug Norwine lied to me and now my inheritance worth $30k to $40k is missing! Heritage Auction Galleries, located in Dallas Texas is the subject of this Rip-off report. The Director of Music and Entertainment Memorabilia for Heritage Galleries and Auctioneers is Mr. Doug Norwine. I will present the evidence that will prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt that Mr. Doug Norwine lied to me. It also appears that Mr. Norwine was responsible for misrepresentation as it relates to my deceased grandmother being in the movie “Gone With The Windâ€. My grandmother was Miss. California in 1935 and then she became a Hollywood movie actress. She had a fantastic collection of movie star photographs. I had fantastic 11 x 16 and 8 x 11 inch autographed photographs and snap shot pictures. I had snap shots of my grandmother with the original Three Stooges, Betty Grable and many others. I had a full two page newspaper article that was all about my grandmother. This same two page newspaper article had a picture of Bing Crosby with his arm around my grandmothers’ waist. How cool is that? I sent my only copy to Mr. Norwine, it was totally priceless. I had pictures of my grandmother in costume on the movie set for “China Seas†which stared Humphrey Bogart. I had snap shots of Carol Lombard on the motion picture back lot. I had 11 x 16 inch photographs signed of Jayne Wyman (President Ronald Regan’s first wife), Ann Southern, Florence rice, and many many more! I had original “Gone With The Wind†movie stills, my grandmothers’ Motion Picture Employee identification card, and many original photographs of movie stars from the 1930’s and 1940’s. The vast majority of these photographs had a personalized note or wishes in addition to the signature of the movie star. Mr. Doug Norwine claims he personally signed for the FedEx box, but that is not the truth. I have proof that Mr. Doug Norwine lied to me. I spoke to Mr. Doug Norwine late in the afternoon on 2\16\2006. He said the deadline to have my parasol included in their upcoming auction catalog was the very next day. Mr. Doug Norwine asked me to send my photograph and newspaper collection with my parasol. He said
[MOPO] FYI -- Heritage GWTW
http://www.ripoffreport.com/liars/heritage-auction-gal/heritage-auction-galleries-m-bjc85.htm Heritage Auction Galleries / Mr. Doug Norwine / Heritage Galleries And Auctioneers A Life Time of Memories are Gone With The Wind, Treasured Inheritance vanishes from FedEx box Dallas Texas Mr. Doug Norwine lied to me and now my inheritance worth $30k to $40k is missing! Heritage Auction Galleries, located in Dallas Texas is the subject of this Rip-off report. The Director of Music and Entertainment Memorabilia for Heritage Galleries and Auctioneers is Mr. Doug Norwine. I will present the evidence that will prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt that Mr. Doug Norwine lied to me. It also appears that Mr. Norwine was responsible for misrepresentation as it relates to my deceased grandmother being in the movie “Gone With The Windâ€. My grandmother was Miss. California in 1935 and then she became a Hollywood movie actress. She had a fantastic collection of movie star photographs. I had fantastic 11 x 16 and 8 x 11 inch autographed photographs and snap shot pictures. I had snap shots of my grandmother with the original Three Stooges, Betty Grable and many others. I had a full two page newspaper article that was all about my grandmother. This same two page newspaper article had a picture of Bing Crosby with his arm around my grandmothers’ waist. How cool is that? I sent my only copy to Mr. Norwine, it was totally priceless. I had pictures of my grandmother in costume on the movie set for “China Seas†which stared Humphrey Bogart. I had snap shots of Carol Lombard on the motion picture back lot. I had 11 x 16 inch photographs signed of Jayne Wyman (President Ronald Regan’s first wife), Ann Southern, Florence rice, and many many more! I had original “Gone With The Wind†movie stills, my grandmothers’ Motion Picture Employee identification card, and many original photographs of movie stars from the 1930’s and 1940’s. The vast majority of these photographs had a personalized note or wishes in addition to the signature of the movie star. Mr. Doug Norwine claims he personally signed for the FedEx box, but that is not the truth. I have proof that Mr. Doug Norwine lied to me. I spoke to Mr. Doug Norwine late in the afternoon on 2\16\2006. He said the deadline to have my parasol included in their upcoming auction catalog was the very next day. Mr. Doug Norwine asked me to send my photograph and newspaper collection with my parasol. He said that these collections would support the authenticity of my parasol being used in the movie “Gone With The Windâ€. The box went FedEx overnight from California to Texas. Mr. Doug Norwine said he signed for the box and opened it himself. He said the photographs and newspaper articles were not in the box. Photograph and newspaper collections do not just selectively vanish from sealed FedEx boxes while in transit. Thank God I took pictures of my photograph collection right before I mailed them to Mr. Doug Norwine. I put the photograph and newspaper article collections in the box. They had to be there when the box was opened. The FedEx “Track Shipments Detailed Results†printout that I have shows a person with the name of “S.MCCLENNY†signed for the box on Feb. 17, 2006 at 9:03 AM. The tracking number is 841186856634. I called FedEx to inquire about the possibility of there being a mistake about who signed for my box. FedEx said there was no mistake. The FedEx customer service person that I spoke to said that a person with the name “S.MCCLENNY†signed for the box, not Mr. Doug Norwine. Someone is lying. Either I lied about putting the photograph and newspaper collections in the box with my parasol and continue to do so by virtue off writing this rip off report or Mr. Doug Norwine is lying. I am telling the truth. I am not lying. I will go take a lie detector test today and be happy to have anyone that is interested witness it. I personally put my parasol, the photograph and newspaper collections into a plain brown box that I found around the duplex my wife and I were renting. I taped the box closed and took the box to the closest FedEx office. I personally witnessed the FedEx employee weigh the box, fill out the FedEx USA Airbill, attach it to the box, and then put my box with all the other boxes waiting for the next and last pickup for that day. Why did he lie to me? What did or does he have to hide from me? Not only did he lie to me but, he adding insult to injury, told me, half laughing as he spoke his words, to look around my house. He said I might find my photograph and newspaper collection in a drawer. I could not believe the audacity, the cold hearted tone of voice, and unprofessional behavior. I was being ripped off, lied to, and insulted by a man who I had previously thought must be trustworthy. How wrong I was. I should have listened to my wife!
Re: [MOPO] FYI -- Heritage GWTW
I had posted this because I'm on an email notice for Heritage at ripoff site. Did not read the date, so my apologies... but if you go to the post, I did add a note which is far more recent, and pertains specifically to Rudy Franchi and Grey Smith. From: Chris Quarles chrisquar...@yahoo.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] FYI -- Heritage GWTW Oooo! As a lawyer, I love the term time barred. Sent from my iPad On Nov 28, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Phillip W. Ayling mro...@earthlink.net wrote: This story is 5 years old.I don't believe that Doug Norwine continues to work at Heritage; at least not in the capacity described. If someone has a real claim, supported by facts then they should have filed a draft complaint; sued or settled by now. I don't know what the time-barred limitations are in Texas, but whining about this seems endless. - Original Message - From: Jeff Potokar To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] FYI -- Heritage GWTW And what was the name of this person's grandmother? Why would William not include this? Seems very odd to leave that little bit of information out of the story, as anyone could write such a claim, saying that his/her unnamed, anonymous grandma or aunt was in GWTW. On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:35 AM, Richard C Evans wrote: Couldn't quite get to the end of that, but think I got the drift. Surely, if someone's sending family heirlooms off to auction, what they can't describe them as is totally priceless. Sent from my iPhone On 28 Nov 2012, at 09:44, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: http://www.ripoffreport.com/liars/heritage-auction-gal/heritage-auction-galleries-m-bjc85.htm Heritage Auction Galleries / Mr. Doug Norwine / Heritage Galleries And Auctioneers A Life Time of Memories are Gone With The Wind, Treasured Inheritance vanishes from FedEx box Dallas Texas Mr. Doug Norwine lied to me and now my inheritance worth $30k to $40k is missing! Heritage Auction Galleries, located in Dallas Texas is the subject of this Rip-off report. The Director of Music and Entertainment Memorabilia for Heritage Galleries and Auctioneers is Mr. Doug Norwine. I will present the evidence that will prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt that Mr. Doug Norwine lied to me. It also appears that Mr. Norwine was responsible for misrepresentation as it relates to my deceased grandmother being in the movie “Gone With The Windâ€. My grandmother was Miss. California in 1935 and then she became a Hollywood movie actress. She had a fantastic collection of movie star photographs. I had fantastic 11 x 16 and 8 x 11 inch autographed photographs and snap shot pictures. I had snap shots of my grandmother with the original Three Stooges, Betty Grable and many others. I had a full two page newspaper article that was all about my grandmother. This same two page newspaper article had a picture of Bing Crosby with his arm around my grandmothers’ waist. How cool is that? I sent my only copy to Mr. Norwine, it was totally priceless. I had pictures of my grandmother in costume on the movie set for “China Seas†which stared Humphrey Bogart. I had snap shots of Carol Lombard on the motion picture back lot. I had 11 x 16 inch photographs signed of Jayne Wyman (President Ronald Regan’s first wife), Ann Southern, Florence rice, and many many more! I had original “Gone With The Wind†movie stills, my grandmothers’ Motion Picture Employee identification card, and many original photographs of movie stars from the 1930’s and 1940’s. The vast majority of these photographs had a personalized note or wishes in addition to the signature of the movie star. Mr. Doug Norwine claims he personally signed for the FedEx box, but that is not the truth. I have proof that Mr. Doug Norwine lied to me. I spoke to Mr. Doug Norwine late in the afternoon on 2\16\2006. He said the deadline to have my parasol included in their upcoming auction catalog was the very next day. Mr. Doug Norwine asked me to send my photograph and newspaper collection with my parasol. He said that these collections would support the authenticity of my parasol being used in the movie “Gone With The Windâ€. The box went FedEx overnight from California to Texas. Mr. Doug Norwine said he signed for the box and opened it himself. He said the photographs and newspaper articles were not in the box. Photograph and newspaper collections do not just selectively vanish from sealed FedEx boxes while in transit. Thank God I took pictures of my photograph collection right before
Re: [MOPO] OT Packing Shipping LP Albums
My husband, Charley Lippincott, former movie executive (he came up with the cross merchandising deals of toys for Star Wars and was also producer of Judge Dredd) has a massive record collection which we moved across country. By massive, I mean 20,000. The 20,000 albums cost the equivalent of a house downpayment to pack and move from Los Angeles to the East Cost. As we look forward to Seniors assisted living, I am adamant they will never be moved again. Only packed and sold. So we have looked at how to sell the collection. Album boxes are not 12. They are 12 1/4 x 12 1/4. They won't fit in a 12x12, which is really unfortunate because the larger 12 1/4 boxes cost 2x as the standard 12. We bought custom sized record boxes in bulk from Uline that were either 6 or 8 deep. Anything bigger, the vinyl weight starts to add up and become cumbersome to move. To sell albums on ebay is very piecemeal. Unless you have high ticket items, be warned that it is a labor intensive job, and collectors who buy are very picky about condition -- just like poster collectors. You really have to get a system down to photograph them, accurately describe the condition, then ship. The best shipping mailers are shaped like a cross, and get folded over. Depending on how far you are shipping -- i.e., will it go international -- you might need to use stiffeners which are just cardboard pieces but out the size of the cardboard. some record sellers just cut out cardboard and put tape around the edges to hold them together. Or if the albums are really valuable collectors items, then luan can be be used. Of course, then you have to cut the 4'x8' luan sheets down to size, so that's a hassle. I would just google record mailers and see the cheapest price. Once you factor in quantity and shipping cost, overhead cost can vary a lot. We got our record mailers from someplace other than Uline. From: Lenny 48 len...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:06 PM Subject: [MOPO] OT Packing Shipping LP Albums Good Evening All, I have a small collection of movie soundtrack LP vinyl albums that I am eventually going to try and auction off. In order to send them on their way, hopefully if they sell, how would one pack and ship these individually and safely? What would I pack them in? Any advice from any of you that may be familiar with this type of packing and shipping would be most appreciated. Thank you all very much and have a nice evening or day wherever you may be. Kindest Regards, Lenny Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] eBay's changes to Watched Items
Well actually John is wrong.I for one would not leave positive feedback for Heritage since i had posters stolen by them. From: filip de volder runbuffy...@hotmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] eBay's changes to Watched Items just wondering , being blocked for disagreeing with a seller on a topic on a forum , how would that be considered ? over the years quite a bit of collectors have found themselves blocked in Bruce his auctions for that reason , filip Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:43:13 +1000 From: johnr...@moviemem.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] eBay's changes to Watched Items To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Being blocked for not leaving feedback is ridiculous. Many people don't leave feedback these days mostly because they don't see it as a necessary part of the transaction or because they just forget. After all, when you buy something from Heritage or from Bruce you don't need to leave feedback (although I'm sure they both receive many positive emails!). John JOHN REID VINTAGE MOVIE MEMORABILIA Website: www.moviemem.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/moviemem PO Box 92 Elanora Qld 4221 Australia - Original Message - From: Neil Jaworski To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:48 AM Subject: [MOPO] eBay's changes to Watched Items Hallo MOPO To slightly extend the Ebay conversation, what do people think of the current changes to Watching re: (1) the trial of publicly showing the numbers of Watchers on each item page and (2) the constant removal/reinstatement of the row of See What Other People Are Watching items at the bottom of each item page? The See What Other People Are Watching panel has been very useful to me in the past! My other current bugbear is that I have been blocked by at least one seller for forgetting to leave positive feedback! I just didn't get round to it, but feel that being blocked was a bit of a harsh solution. Other than that, the transaction at both ends had gone smoothly without incident. Neil From: JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia johnr...@moviemem.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 1:09 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Remembering eBay's glory days Ah, those were the days. I remember seeing a La Doce Vita Italian poster on eBay back in the early years. I watched it for a few days and there was one high bidder. I waited until a couple of hours before the auction ended and outbid him and won the lot for a low price. The underbidder sent some crazy, abusive emails to me saying he was shocked that I waited until the last hour before placing a bid. He said he would leave negative feedback for me (you could do that in those days). I tried to explain to him that this was how an auction works. If you dont bid enough then you will lose. He came back with even more abuse and said he would not only leave negative feedback but report me to the authorities (whoever they were). John JOHN REID VINTAGE MOVIE MEMORABILIA Website: www.moviemem.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/moviemem PO Box 92 Elanora Qld 4221 Australia - Original Message - From: Bruce Hershenson To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:44 AM Subject: [MOPO] Remembering eBay's glory days Remember when you could put up the most worthless garbage and it would surely sell, and maybe there would be a bidding war? Remember when lots of eBay auctions would have L@@K or W@W at the end of the title? Remember when there was just ONE movie poster category and you could look over every single item every day? Remember when any image of a barechested male would have GAY INTEREST in the auction title? Remember when you could leave feedback for any seller, even if you hadn't bought anything from them? For those of you who were there at the start, what do you remember? -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Complete Buyer Protection - No time limit on our guarantees NO buyer beware Hershenson Help Hotline - Direct line to Bruce (our owner!) for urgent problems Also, please read the following three pages of in-depthCustomer Reviews of our company - Page 1, Page 2, Page 3, which shows you in our customers' own words exactly what makes our company and our auctions so very different from all others! Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the
Re: [MOPO] eBay free listings
Ah, Bruce... but that is because there are so many dishonest sellers out there -- both on ebay and off ebay. Its unfortunate that good sellers have to get lumped in with the bad, but the $$$ which makes everything run -- including ebay -- is the buyer. So ebay's protection of the buyer is what's allowed ebay to maintain it's profits and grow. As someone who buys a lot off ebay because I live rural and can't find what I want locally, I shop on ebay. I've bought things like new Ugg boots gotten 2 left sides -- yes, you read that correctly. Two sides of the same foot!!!To get my money back, I have to pay for shipping. Also defective items. So it cost me to shop on ebay. If a buyer is shipped the wrong or defective item, why in the world do we have to bear the burden of paying for return shipping? If ebay was really pro-buyer, things like defective items returns shipping cost or not as described return shipping cost would not come out of the buyer's pocket but the sellers. That would certainly eliminate a lot of bad sellers. Whether you sell on an ebay auction or run an off-ebay auction site, there is still a lot of dishonesty. In fact, out-right thievery. We have had more $$$ stolen from us from one of many of your favorite auction sites, Heritage, and believe even with ebay's fees, it's far better to sell on ebay than risk losing your inventory in Heritage's shady inventory procedures. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Cc: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] eBay free listings I am waiting for eBay to offer to PAY sellers to list items, and even then I would have to think long and hard about listing there. I know some people love it, but it is not my cup of tea. They have added so many anti-seller rules that I would be petrified after every sale, both that I might be scammed out of my poster, and that the buying might leave bad feedback for me and restrict my account. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: EBAY USER ID: silky_buddha We got the invite and are selling original movie art Star Wars items. We do not sell cheap repro reprints. We sell only original art -- well, we do have copies, but these are copies made by the production and are vintage, production used art work. Our prices are less than what prop store sells art for -- i.e., an original pen, ink marker concept sketch of Judge Hershey (in her Judge's uniform, with Lawblaster) sold for $89. That's screen used, original concept art which, at commercial movie prop/memorabilia sites, sells for over $400. We have Giger signed art. Not up, but to be listed, original art by Chris Foss for Flash Gordon... original storyboards concept art by Alex Tavolouris, the first concept artist hired by Lucas for Star Wars... All original, not cheap repro... Of course, we had other items, like the British Quad Star Wars which --- got STOLEN -- anyone remember this story Missing Quad probably was sold by Heritage, but since we got 2 of each poster, our other Quad remains for ebay auction... Plus, a lot of high end items have sold at a BIN auction within 30 minutes of listing. Some within 5 minutes of listing. Of course, the 50K items does not apply to us because we are selling vintage items and end up paying UK listing fees anyway. There's no free lunch -- or at least, legal free lunches. From: John Waldman jhnwald...@yahoo.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] eBay free listings I got the invite, but not to list 50,000 items. I haven't sold anything on Ebay for over a year. JW From: JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia johnr...@moviemem.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:41 PM Subject: [MOPO] eBay free listings Hi MoPoers eBay currently has a promotion running where many sellers have been offerred up to 50,000 free auction listings for about nine days up until Aug 31. This has resulted in some sellers flooding the site with cheap repros and reprints. The crazy thing is that the offer has been sent by invitation only and it seems to have been done at random. Store sellers are not eligible so anyone who has a store would be seeing a big drop in sales while this promotion is on. Just curious as to whether any MoPo members received the invitation to list 50,000 items on auction. Regards John JOHN REID VINTAGE MOVIE MEMORABILIA Website: http://www.moviemem.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/moviemem PO Box 92 Elanora Qld 4221 Australia Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists
Re: [MOPO] eBay free listings
I offer to pay return postage if an item is not as described, but there are a lot of sellers who run on such small margins that they refuse to pay for return shipping. So I leave negative feedbacks. Leaving a seller negative feedback puts you at risk of getting negative buyer feedback -- even when they sell you defective items they pick up at a garage sale or thrift store and refuse to pay for return shipping. My solution -- my buying and selling account are separate so that on my selling account, feedback is 100% positive. I leave all buyers positive feedback -- if they pay -- because I believe a buyer paying is what keeps the game going. From: filip de volder runbuffy...@hotmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] eBay free listings hi, i definitely agree that sellers should buy for return shipping when they mess up , that's an option when you sell on ebay , all my auctions have the option seller pays return shipping But then some days ago i had this buyer who received a vinyl record (NEAR MINT) but contacts me to say it has a big scratch and he wants me to refund him 50% ... as i know for 100% sure my record was near mint with no scratch it's clear that this buyer wants to get his item for half price (with how many sellers did he have this work as many sellers don't want negative feedback etc...) i tell him : not happy , return for full refund , i pay your return postage too , well , he refused , opened a case with ebay and left me negative feedback , pissed off because his scam didn't work with me . I advise all sellers to beware of these 'not in the condition as mentioned so partial refund please ' scams , go for a full refund after return so these losers calm down on ripping off sellers . filip , runbuffy on ebay Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 08:36:46 -0700 From: gkud...@rocketmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] eBay free listings To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Ah, Bruce... but that is because there are so many dishonest sellers out there -- both on ebay and off ebay. Its unfortunate that good sellers have to get lumped in with the bad, but the $$$ which makes everything run -- including ebay -- is the buyer. So ebay's protection of the buyer is what's allowed ebay to maintain it's profits and grow. As someone who buys a lot off ebay because I live rural and can't find what I want locally, I shop on ebay. I've bought things like new Ugg boots gotten 2 left sides -- yes, you read that correctly. Two sides of the same foot!!!To get my money back, I have to pay for shipping. Also defective items. So it cost me to shop on ebay. If a buyer is shipped the wrong or defective item, why in the world do we have to bear the burden of paying for return shipping? If ebay was really pro-buyer, things like defective items returns shipping cost or not as described return shipping cost would not come out of the buyer's pocket but the sellers. That would certainly eliminate a lot of bad sellers. Whether you sell on an ebay auction or run an off-ebay auction site, there is still a lot of dishonesty. In fact, out-right thievery. We have had more $$$ stolen from us from one of many of your favorite auction sites, Heritage, and believe even with ebay's fees, it's far better to sell on ebay than risk losing your inventory in Heritage's shady inventory procedures. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Cc: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] eBay free listings I am waiting for eBay to offer to PAY sellers to list items, and even then I would have to think long and hard about listing there. I know some people love it, but it is not my cup of tea. They have added so many anti-seller rules that I would be petrified after every sale, both that I might be scammed out of my poster, and that the buying might leave bad feedback for me and restrict my account. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: EBAY USER ID: silky_buddha We got the invite and are selling original movie art Star Wars items. We do not sell cheap repro reprints. We sell only original art -- well, we do have copies, but these are copies made by the production and are vintage, production used art work. Our prices are less than what prop store sells art for -- i.e., an original pen, ink marker concept sketch of Judge Hershey (in her Judge's uniform, with Lawblaster) sold for $89. That's screen used, original concept art which, at commercial movie prop/memorabilia sites, sells for over $400. We have Giger signed art. Not up, but to be listed, original art by Chris Foss for Flash Gordon... original storyboards concept art by Alex Tavolouris, the first concept artist hired
Re: [MOPO] eBay free listings
EBAY USER ID: silky_buddha We got the invite and are selling original movie art Star Wars items. We do not sell cheap repro reprints. We sell only original art -- well, we do have copies, but these are copies made by the production and are vintage, production used art work. Our prices are less than what prop store sells art for -- i.e., an original pen, ink marker concept sketch of Judge Hershey (in her Judge's uniform, with Lawblaster) sold for $89. That's screen used, original concept art which, at commercial movie prop/memorabilia sites, sells for over $400. We have Giger signed art. Not up, but to be listed, original art by Chris Foss for Flash Gordon... original storyboards concept art by Alex Tavolouris, the first concept artist hired by Lucas for Star Wars... All original, not cheap repro... Of course, we had other items, like the British Quad Star Wars which --- got STOLEN -- anyone remember this story Missing Quad probably was sold by Heritage, but since we got 2 of each poster, our other Quad remains for ebay auction... Plus, a lot of high end items have sold at a BIN auction within 30 minutes of listing. Some within 5 minutes of listing. Of course, the 50K items does not apply to us because we are selling vintage items and end up paying UK listing fees anyway. There's no free lunch -- or at least, legal free lunches. From: John Waldman jhnwald...@yahoo.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] eBay free listings I got the invite, but not to list 50,000 items. I haven't sold anything on Ebay for over a year. JW From: JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia johnr...@moviemem.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:41 PM Subject: [MOPO] eBay free listings Hi MoPoers eBay currently has a promotion running where many sellers have been offerred up to 50,000 free auction listings for about nine days up until Aug 31. This has resulted in some sellers flooding the site with cheap repros and reprints. The crazy thing is that the offer has been sent by invitation only and it seems to have been done at random. Store sellers are not eligible so anyone who has a store would be seeing a big drop in sales while this promotion is on. Just curious as to whether any MoPo members received the invitation to list 50,000 items on auction. Regards John JOHN REID VINTAGE MOVIE MEMORABILIA Website: http://www.moviemem.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/moviemem PO Box 92 Elanora Qld 4221 Australia Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at http://www.filmfan.com/ ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] DREDD art Heritage
Many of you assume that I have remained quiet about Heritage absconding with our inventory because of some character defect on my part, but rest assured, this is not the case. After that loss and the flaming wars it engendered, we have basically given up trusting any dealers and will be auctioning our collection on ebay. We have 8 complete binders of RARE, unreleased production slides from Alien, which we will be gradually releasing. Besides the Star Wars posters -- of which we started out with multiple int'l, US Chaykins -- we have rare original production copies of unseen ephemera (such as cast contracts), original storyboards by Alex Tavoularis, and 1st run 3 AFA graded 85-90 action figures which even Gus Lopez didn't have in his book. As the licensing producer who acquired the original movie rights to Dredd, we have one of the largest collections of original screen used art which we'll be putting up over the next few months. CHECK OUT our DREDD auctions. Judge DREDD Production ART screen used BLASTER # 290740241210 Judge DREDD -- ORIGINAL CONCEPT ART of Janus Lab CLONING # 290740249407 If you haven't seen Dredd 3D trailer, it's on you-tube and had 1.5 million hits in a week. Premieres in San Diego Comic Con and set for release Sept. 21. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster
Charley thinks Kaplan is still around. He's younger than Charley, so he's around mid-60's. He was trying to live in London, though might be in NYC. He did Altman's Nashville worked with John van Hammersveld on a film that had a poster of a bed with some people in it -- title of something like Sleeping in LA? ... Oh, just read Brandon's prior post. Great.. Now we know how to get in touch with him. The last time Charley saw him (LA screening of Hodge's Croupier) he wanted Van Hammersveld Get Carter, which we'll get to him. From: Richard Evans evan...@mac.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster Thanks! That's superb, I'll try him. Sent from my iPad On 25 Jun 2012, at 05:41, Brandon Pleake bple...@prodigy.net wrote: Mike Kaplan has a blog on Huffington Post. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-kaplan Brandon - Original Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: June 24, 2012 11:18 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster Our Pelham copy wasn't rolled. Interesting that you are having hard time finding info on it. We really didn't know what we had in our collection because we weren't into buying and selling. When we started thinking about selling and realized the first step was going to be identifying what we had, it seemed like an insurmountable task. So I'm surprised at how hard it is for you -- a collector -- to find the information. And to what lengths you have to go to find the information. Here, I'm assuming you have movie poster guides and reference materials on your desk, but not finding what you need in your resources -- well that's interesting. And contacting Kubrick's archive -- that's impressive. Kinda reminds me of Abel Gance's Napolean. The amount of research necessary to get the info you need -- in Gance's case, it was Kevin Brownlow's life long obsession with the film that resulted in its reconstruction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napol%C3%A9on_%281927_film%29 I don't know if Mike Kaplan is still alive -- he was older than Charley -- but he certainly would know. In fact -- if one could find him -- you'd have the info you needed to know and probably from the best source. Filmmakers don't think of the posters -- they think of their films -- and the poster artist generally is thinking of their whole artistic career, so Kaplan would really know why the Pelham was made and what happened to that campaign. From: Richard C Evans evan...@mac.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster Thanks Geraldine. Very difficult to find info on this, have already made extensive efforts. Though I'm reasonably sure the printing (though not the design it's based on) originates in the US. Next step for me is the Kubrick archive, who have told me on the telephone they have nothing relating to this poster, (but they do have Bill Gold's cruxifiction design which Kubrick rejected). They may though have something relating to it in Kubrick's communications with WB. Whether it did actually ran or is a print run of a proposed poster, still no clue. Does seem that these only come to market rolled and via execs, though I may be wrong on that. Thanks for the info, much appreciated. Sent from my iPhone On 24 Jun 2012, at 18:18, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: When Charley first worked at MGM, Mike Kaplan was his boss. 2001 had opened initially a Hardware campagn, it had a good box office but shortly after opening fell off at the box office. Mike convinced Kubrick that they should replace the Hardware campaign with the Star Child campaign. The Star Child campaign was a massive hit, bringing is a huge resurgence at the box office. It was the BO success of 2001 that convinced 20th Century/Fox to fund Star Wars. 2001 huge success is evidenced by these figures -- in Dec. 75, the film broke even. In March, 1976, Kubrick received his first profit sharing residual check. March 1976 was the same month Star Wars started filming After conceiving the Star Child campaign for 2001, Mike Kaplan left MGM and went to work for Kubrick on Clockwork Orange. When Charley was in London working on Star Wars, Mike gave him posters. Any other history on the Pelham poster or its availability would be best to find by googling UK. From: Richard Evans evan...@mac.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster Thanks Geraldine, no rush. Sent from my iPad On 24 Jun 2012, at 14:15, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: It's Sunday
Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster
Apparently not, since both he and Hodges asked Charley for one... From what I remember, Charley met Van Hammersveld and hired him to do the Get Carter. He then introduced Van Hammersveld to a lot of people, which is why John gave Charley a lot of posters. We probably have one of the largest Van Hammersveld collection. We have pieces John borrowed when he had a museum exhibit. Also, if you move around a lot, it's hard to keep a collection up. Cost of shipping storage get prohibitive. If you find Kaplan's address, can you get it to us off-list? From: evan...@mac.com evan...@mac.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster The last time Charley saw him (LA screening of Hodge's Croupier) he wanted Van Hammersveld Get Carter, which we'll get to him. Doesn't he have his own copies, wasn't he Art Director on that poster? I'll respond about Clockwork Orange later. Long and complicated. Sent from my iPhone On 25 Jun 2012, at 18:00, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: Charley thinks Kaplan is still around. He's younger than Charley, so he's around mid-60's. He was trying to live in London, though might be in NYC. He did Altman's Nashville worked with John van Hammersveld on a film that had a poster of a bed with some people in it -- title of something like Sleeping in LA? ... Oh, just read Brandon's prior post. Great.. Now we know how to get in touch with him. The last time Charley saw him (LA screening of Hodge's Croupier) he wanted Van Hammersveld Get Carter, which we'll get to him. From: Richard Evans evan...@mac.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster Thanks! That's superb, I'll try him. Sent from my iPad On 25 Jun 2012, at 05:41, Brandon Pleake bple...@prodigy.net wrote: Mike Kaplan has a blog on Huffington Post. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-kaplan Brandon - Original Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: June 24, 2012 11:18 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster Our Pelham copy wasn't rolled. Interesting that you are having hard time finding info on it. We really didn't know what we had in our collection because we weren't into buying and selling. When we started thinking about selling and realized the first step was going to be identifying what we had, it seemed like an insurmountable task. So I'm surprised at how hard it is for you -- a collector -- to find the information. And to what lengths you have to go to find the information. Here, I'm assuming you have movie poster guides and reference materials on your desk, but not finding what you need in your resources -- well that's interesting. And contacting Kubrick's archive -- that's impressive. Kinda reminds me of Abel Gance's Napolean. The amount of research necessary to get the info you need -- in Gance's case, it was Kevin Brownlow's life long obsession with the film that resulted in its reconstruction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napol%C3%A9on_%281927_film%29 I don't know if Mike Kaplan is still alive -- he was older than Charley -- but he certainly would know. In fact -- if one could find him -- you'd have the info you needed to know and probably from the best source. Filmmakers don't think of the posters -- they think of their films -- and the poster artist generally is thinking of their whole artistic career, so Kaplan would really know why the Pelham was made and what happened to that campaign. From: Richard C Evans evan...@mac.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster Thanks Geraldine. Very difficult to find info on this, have already made extensive efforts. Though I'm reasonably sure the printing (though not the design it's based on) originates in the US. Next step for me is the Kubrick archive, who have told me on the telephone they have nothing relating to this poster, (but they do have Bill Gold's cruxifiction design which Kubrick rejected). They may though have something relating to it in Kubrick's communications with WB. Whether it did actually ran or is a print run of a proposed poster, still no clue. Does seem that these only come to market rolled and via execs, though I may be wrong on that. Thanks for the info, much appreciated. Sent from my iPhone On 24 Jun 2012, at 18:18, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: When Charley first worked at MGM, Mike Kaplan was his boss. 2001 had opened initially a Hardware campagn, it had a good box office but shortly after opening fell off at the box office. Mike convinced Kubrick
Re: [MOPO] Alien - behind the scenes, glory book....
Hi Dave, Sorry, I only answered the 1 email I got via my ebay mailbox. My MOPO box -- which is also used for other newsgroups and mail -- is so full I haven't gotten around to answering everything. I do not sell posters or movie memorabilia for a living. i spend 1 hr. in the morning on replying to emails. My apologies. From: David Lieberman dli...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Alien - behind the scenes, glory book Cool! We just bought the blu ray complete set on ebay with all the movies and tons of extras. I'll be watching it over the next few weeks. It was half off and came with a super nerdy statue that lights up. http://www.ebay.com/itm/140763512730 and fwiw, I emailed Geraldine 4 times over the past few weeks and she never even bothered to respond. Pretty rude, but I think I'll live. David A. Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com|Vintage Original Movie Posters 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105|Scottsdale, AZ 85260 602 309 0500| Our Facebook Page|Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. In a message dated 6/22/2012 12:48:42 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, spitfire3...@yahoo.com writes: Speaking of Alien. Here is the creation of the creature. A work in progress. --- On Fri, 6/22/12, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Friday, June 22, 2012, 6:17 AM These are not off-set printed booklets. These are made of individual photographs printed by Stanley Bielecki's photo lab using Bob Penn's negatives. Stanley Bielecki printed them in his darkroom using Kodak photographic stock paper... they were then bound using one of the folio spiral bindings you could get at office supplies. If you look at the Alien text page -- the one with white lettering on a black box -- you'll see the copyright was added as an after thought with a typed file folder label. It's easy to think the images are on paper, but they're not. Stanley Bielecki was also the same photographer who hand printed the photos that were folio bound into the Star Wars cast and crew wrap gifts -- the Glory Book. Please look up the history of Star Wars Glory books. This item is a known collectors item and can be found online at other places than mrsminiver's ebay listing, 390426055170 Lucasfilm and Gus Lopez on swca.com used to have it up, as well as some movie prop collectors sites, but I can't find it right now in a 2 minute search. I'm sure you can find proof of its existence by searching the web. As the Star Wars Glory Book is known among collectors -- one MOPO dealer even contacted us to buy ours after we started posting about our Heritage problem -- and its provable, limited production is not simply a statement I am making to increase it's rarity, it is Star Wars history. You are talking about the manufactured booklets that were offset printed for distribution. Not the same beast. The way to tell is to look at the paper stock and Alien copyright -- was it a file folder label pasted on as an afterthought? Believe me, by the time they get around to sending stuff to theater distributors, the copyright is not an afterthought. If you want the promo theater booklet for Star Wars, we have SEALED, unopened boxes of the theater folio, which still have intact the embossed Star Wars logo ribbon. These are SEALED, unopened boxes... To get an idea of the off-set Star Wars booklet, you can go here: http://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=11327001 They were originally sent in a white mailer-type of box with a ribbon closure. The folios, without their boxes, are very common. The folios with open boxes sometimes come up on ebay. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86409487/cam1.JPG https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86409487/Cam9.JPG The sealed, unopened boxes are rarer... How many people receive a box and don't open it? You can also ask Rudy Franchi about Charley's marketing of Star Wars. Charley's marketing of Star Wars, especially the advance merchandising and licensing, changed the way movies are marketed. There were a few films released before Star Wars with advance merchandising and licensing, such as Paramount's The Great Gatsby and 20th Century's Doctor Doolittle but for box office results -- but it was Star Wars' Kenner line which changed movie marketing. From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced I have similar ring binder books for Willow
Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced
Thank you, Neil It is clear from your statement that my allegations will need to be proved as you have publicly stated you suspect my credibility and sanity. Regarding the Goliath's impeccable reputation and behavior -- here, I'm referring to Heritage --I suggest you look up Mongolian Tyrannosaurus bataar and Heritage Auctions. Despite widespread scientific protest and Texas judge issuing a restraining order against the May 2012 auction, Heritage sold the fossil claiming it had established provenance and had a right to the sale. Three days ago, on Thurs., June 21, a federal judge signed a warrant for Homeland Security to seize the fossil because it was stolen from Mongolia. Right, stolen goods. Even with the combined weight of the scientific community (paleontologists) and Mongolian government protesting against the auction, the fossil was sold by Heritage for $1,052,000... From: Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.uk To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced No, Geraldine, really don't say any more. You have completely taken over this forum with your repeated, wearying, unsubstantiated claims. I suspect any sympathy for you has long since evaporated. Mine certainly has. If your claims have any basis in fact, it's for the law to decide. I know that you're hoping to leave a series of allegations in a public forum that future possible customers of Heritage will come across. However, because you've gone on and on ad nauseum and alienated so many MOPOers, there are almost as many negative public comments about your own motives, reliability and character. I won't comment publicly myself on how sane or otherwise I think you are (have a wild stab in the dark), but I suspect that your credibility is what the casual reader of the forum will consider and weigh when reading this thread, more so than Heritage's business practices. Sometimes in life it's better to just say your piece and then shut up. Neil From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012, 17:25 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced Gee, Grey, the Alien teaser 2 fillmore/avalon posters were part of that batch we sent. Need I say more? From: Smith, Grey - 1367 gre...@ha.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced Helmut, Funny you would mention that poster! http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161226lotNo=53008 This poster, from the film’s original release, is the only item that does seem to get better money. I have sold it in the past for over $2000. Makes the one running now seem like a bargain! I have also sold the Alien book for close to $2000. From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Helmut Hamm Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 11:12 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced Jeffrey, I have yet to see any Alien paper to bring even $500 or more. as long as it's original and in good condition, I'd be happy to pay $500 for an advance onesheet on ALIEN. Cheers, Helmut http://www.filmposter.net Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely
[MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster
It's Sunday morning and Charley's still asleep so i can't ask him about the Pelham Clockwork Orange. I'll find out later today and let you know. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced
ebay -- 290731119615 I know the ebay gallery photos are small. Sorry i don't have any other photos uploaded on photobucket for a better link. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0 On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Alan Adler m...@charter.net wrote: Anyone have a link to pix of this Alien Glory Book? - Like to see for myself what the heck it looks like. Alan A On Jun 22, 2012, at 6:17 AM, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: These are not off-set printed booklets. These are made of individual photographs printed by Stanley Bielecki's photo lab using Bob Penn's negatives. Stanley Bielecki printed them in his darkroom using Kodak photographic stock paper... they were then bound using one of the folio spiral bindings you could get at office supplies. If you look at the Alien text page -- the one with white lettering on a black box -- you'll see the copyright was added as an after thought with a typed file folder label. It's easy to think the images are on paper, but they're not. Stanley Bielecki was also the same photographer who hand printed the photos that were folio bound into the Star Wars cast and crew wrap gifts -- the Glory Book. Please look up the history of Star Wars Glory books. This item is a known collectors item and can be found online at other places than mrsminiver's ebay listing, 390426055170 Lucasfilm and Gus Lopez on swca.com used to have it up, as well as some movie prop collectors sites, but I can't find it right now in a 2 minute search. I'm sure you can find proof of its existence by searching the web. As the Star Wars Glory Book is known among collectors -- one MOPO dealer even contacted us to buy ours after we started posting about our Heritage problem -- and its provable, limited production is not simply a statement I am making to increase it's rarity, it is Star Wars history. You are talking about the manufactured booklets that were offset printed for distribution. Not the same beast. The way to tell is to look at the paper stock and Alien copyright -- was it a file folder label pasted on as an afterthought? Believe me, by the time they get around to sending stuff to theater distributors, the copyright is not an afterthought. If you want the promo theater booklet for Star Wars, we have SEALED, unopened boxes of the theater folio, which still have intact the embossed Star Wars logo ribbon. These are SEALED, unopened boxes... To get an idea of the off-set Star Wars booklet, you can go here: http://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=11327001 They were originally sent in a white mailer-type of box with a ribbon closure. The folios, without their boxes, are very common. The folios with open boxes sometimes come up on ebay. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86409487/cam1.JPG https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86409487/Cam9.JPG The sealed, unopened boxes are rarer... How many people receive a box and don't open it? You can also ask Rudy Franchi about Charley's marketing of Star Wars. Charley's marketing of Star Wars, especially the advance merchandising and licensing, changed the way movies are marketed. There were a few films released before Star Wars with advance merchandising and licensing, such as Paramount's The Great Gatsby and 20th Century's Doctor Doolittle but for box office results -- but it was Star Wars' Kenner line which changed movie marketing. From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced I have similar ring binder books for Willow and for Chariots of Fire. I may even have more than one each and I may even have others it's obvious that some are just photographic prints, while others look like they were printed editions At 10:59 AM 6/21/2012, Freeman Fisher wrote: Geraldine, Your description of this ALIEN booklet is not accurate. These booklets were sent out to exhibitor owners and execs. Back in the 1970's there still existed numerous blind bid states. I worked in Texas and it was the most extreme example given the sizes of Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, San Antonio and Austin and the money those markets represented Blind bidding was when a theatre chain had to commit to a film, sometimes a year in advance, with terms outlined (1st two weeks at 70% 2nd two weeks at 60% etc.) and frequently putting up at times tens of thousands if not all together 100's of thousands of dollars on the blockbusters WITHOUT EVER SEEING A SCRAP OF FILM. So these booklets were sent out prior to bidding and came in all kinds of formats.some just a couple of fold out pages to nice
Re: [MOPO] Alien - behind the scenes, glory book....
hahaha... I think of you as a superman, Bruce. You must be an extremely fast typist because you seem to stay on top of MOPO posts... and that's on top of managing all your employees! From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Alien - behind the scenes, glory book I DO sell posters or movie memorabilia for a living and I have 25 employees and I STILL can't reply to all the email I receive in a timely manner. On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hi Dave, Sorry, I only answered the 1 email I got via my ebay mailbox. My MOPO box -- which is also used for other newsgroups and mail -- is so full I haven't gotten around to answering everything. I do not sell posters or movie memorabilia for a living. i spend 1 hr. in the morning on replying to emails. My apologies. From: David Lieberman dli...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Alien - behind the scenes, glory book Cool! We just bought the blu ray complete set on ebay with all the movies and tons of extras. I'll be watching it over the next few weeks. It was half off and came with a super nerdy statue that lights up. http://www.ebay.com/itm/140763512730 and fwiw, I emailed Geraldine 4 times over the past few weeks and she never even bothered to respond. Pretty rude, but I think I'll live. David A. Lieberman CineMasterpieces.com|Vintage Original Movie Posters 15721 N. Greenway Hayden Loop, Suite 105|Scottsdale, AZ 85260 602 309 0500| Our Facebook Page|Office/Gallery Open By Appt. Only. In a message dated 6/22/2012 12:48:42 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, spitfire3...@yahoo.com writes: Speaking of Alien. Here is the creation of the creature. A work in progress. --- On Fri, 6/22/12, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Friday, June 22, 2012, 6:17 AM These are not off-set printed booklets. These are made of individual photographs printed by Stanley Bielecki's photo lab using Bob Penn's negatives. Stanley Bielecki printed them in his darkroom using Kodak photographic stock paper... they were then bound using one of the folio spiral bindings you could get at office supplies. If you look at the Alien text page -- the one with white lettering on a black box -- you'll see the copyright was added as an after thought with a typed file folder label. It's easy to think the images are on paper, but they're not. Stanley Bielecki was also the same photographer who hand printed the photos that were folio bound into the Star Wars cast and crew wrap gifts -- the Glory Book. Please look up the history of Star Wars Glory books. This item is a known collectors item and can be found online at other places than mrsminiver's ebay listing, 390426055170 Lucasfilm and Gus Lopez on swca.com used to have it up, as well as some movie prop collectors sites, but I can't find it right now in a 2 minute search. I'm sure you can find proof of its existence by searching the web. As the Star Wars Glory Book is known among collectors -- one MOPO dealer even contacted us to buy ours after we started posting about our Heritage problem -- and its provable, limited production is not simply a statement I am making to increase it's rarity, it is Star Wars history. You are talking about the manufactured booklets that were offset printed for distribution. Not the same beast. The way to tell is to look at the paper stock and Alien copyright -- was it a file folder label pasted on as an afterthought? Believe me, by the time they get around to sending stuff to theater distributors, the copyright is not an afterthought. If you want the promo theater booklet for Star Wars, we have SEALED, unopened boxes of the theater folio, which still have intact the embossed Star Wars logo ribbon. These are SEALED, unopened boxes... To get an idea of the off-set Star Wars booklet, you can go here: http://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=11327001 They were originally sent in a white mailer-type of box with a ribbon closure. The folios, without their boxes, are very common. The folios with open boxes sometimes come up on ebay. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86409487/cam1.JPG https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86409487/Cam9.JPG The sealed, unopened boxes are rarer... How many people receive a box and don't open it? You can also ask Rudy Franchi about Charley's marketing of Star Wars. Charley's marketing of Star Wars, especially the advance
Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster
When Charley first worked at MGM, Mike Kaplan was his boss. 2001 had opened initially a Hardware campagn, it had a good box office but shortly after opening fell off at the box office. Mike convinced Kubrick that they should replace the Hardware campaign with the Star Child campaign. The Star Child campaign was a massive hit, bringing is a huge resurgence at the box office. It was the BO success of 2001 that convinced 20th Century/Fox to fund Star Wars. 2001 huge success is evidenced by these figures -- in Dec. 75, the film broke even. In March, 1976, Kubrick received his first profit sharing residual check. March 1976 was the same month Star Wars started filming After conceiving the Star Child campaign for 2001, Mike Kaplan left MGM and went to work for Kubrick on Clockwork Orange. When Charley was in London working on Star Wars, Mike gave him posters. Any other history on the Pelham poster or its availability would be best to find by googling UK. From: Richard Evans evan...@mac.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster Thanks Geraldine, no rush. Sent from my iPad On 24 Jun 2012, at 14:15, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: It's Sunday morning and Charley's still asleep so i can't ask him about the Pelham Clockwork Orange. I'll find out later today and let you know. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster
Our Pelham copy wasn't rolled. Interesting that you are having hard time finding info on it. We really didn't know what we had in our collection because we weren't into buying and selling. When we started thinking about selling and realized the first step was going to be identifying what we had, it seemed like an insurmountable task. So I'm surprised at how hard it is for you -- a collector -- to find the information. And to what lengths you have to go to find the information. Here, I'm assuming you have movie poster guides and reference materials on your desk, but not finding what you need in your resources -- well that's interesting. And contacting Kubrick's archive -- that's impressive. Kinda reminds me of Abel Gance's Napolean. The amount of research necessary to get the info you need -- in Gance's case, it was Kevin Brownlow's life long obsession with the film that resulted in its reconstruction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napol%C3%A9on_%281927_film%29 I don't know if Mike Kaplan is still alive -- he was older than Charley -- but he certainly would know. In fact -- if one could find him -- you'd have the info you needed to know and probably from the best source. Filmmakers don't think of the posters -- they think of their films -- and the poster artist generally is thinking of their whole artistic career, so Kaplan would really know why the Pelham was made and what happened to that campaign. From: Richard C Evans evan...@mac.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster Thanks Geraldine. Very difficult to find info on this, have already made extensive efforts. Though I'm reasonably sure the printing (though not the design it's based on) originates in the US. Next step for me is the Kubrick archive, who have told me on the telephone they have nothing relating to this poster, (but they do have Bill Gold's cruxifiction design which Kubrick rejected). They may though have something relating to it in Kubrick's communications with WB. Whether it did actually ran or is a print run of a proposed poster, still no clue. Does seem that these only come to market rolled and via execs, though I may be wrong on that. Thanks for the info, much appreciated. Sent from my iPhone On 24 Jun 2012, at 18:18, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: When Charley first worked at MGM, Mike Kaplan was his boss. 2001 had opened initially a Hardware campagn, it had a good box office but shortly after opening fell off at the box office. Mike convinced Kubrick that they should replace the Hardware campaign with the Star Child campaign. The Star Child campaign was a massive hit, bringing is a huge resurgence at the box office. It was the BO success of 2001 that convinced 20th Century/Fox to fund Star Wars. 2001 huge success is evidenced by these figures -- in Dec. 75, the film broke even. In March, 1976, Kubrick received his first profit sharing residual check. March 1976 was the same month Star Wars started filming After conceiving the Star Child campaign for 2001, Mike Kaplan left MGM and went to work for Kubrick on Clockwork Orange. When Charley was in London working on Star Wars, Mike gave him posters. Any other history on the Pelham poster or its availability would be best to find by googling UK. From: Richard Evans evan...@mac.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rich - Pelham poster Thanks Geraldine, no rush. Sent from my iPad On 24 Jun 2012, at 14:15, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: It's Sunday morning and Charley's still asleep so i can't ask him about the Pelham Clockwork Orange. I'll find out later today and let you know. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit
Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced
Great photo... From: Jay Pea spitfire3...@yahoo.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced And the man inside: --- On Fri, 6/22/12, John Waldman jhnwald...@yahoo.com wrote: From: John Waldman jhnwald...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Friday, June 22, 2012, 1:12 PM This is great. JW From: Jay Pea spitfire3...@yahoo.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced Speaking of Alien. Here is the creation of the creature. A work in progress. --- On Fri, 6/22/12, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Friday, June 22, 2012, 6:17 AM These are not off-set printed booklets. These are made of individual photographs printed by Stanley Bielecki's photo lab using Bob Penn's negatives. Stanley Bielecki printed them in his darkroom using Kodak photographic stock paper... they were then bound using one of the folio spiral bindings you could get at office supplies. If you look at the Alien text page -- the one with white lettering on a black box -- you'll see the copyright was added as an after thought with a typed file folder label. It's easy to think the images are on paper, but they're not. Stanley Bielecki was also the same photographer who hand printed the photos that were folio bound into the Star Wars cast and crew wrap gifts -- the Glory Book. Please look up the history of Star Wars Glory books. This item is a known collectors item and can be found online at other places than mrsminiver's ebay listing, 390426055170 Lucasfilm and Gus Lopez on swca.com used to have it up, as well as some movie prop collectors sites, but I can't find it right now in a 2 minute search. I'm sure you can find proof of its existence by searching the web. As the Star Wars Glory Book is known among collectors -- one MOPO dealer even contacted us to buy ours after we started posting about our Heritage problem -- and its provable, limited production is not simply a statement I am making to increase it's rarity, it is Star Wars history. You are talking about the manufactured booklets that were offset printed for distribution. Not the same beast. The way to tell is to look at the paper stock and Alien copyright -- was it a file folder label pasted on as an afterthought? Believe me, by the time they get around to sending stuff to theater distributors, the copyright is not an afterthought. If you want the promo theater booklet for Star Wars, we have SEALED, unopened boxes of the theater folio, which still have intact the embossed Star Wars logo ribbon. These are SEALED, unopened boxes... To get an idea of the off-set Star Wars booklet, you can go here: http://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=11327001 They were originally sent in a white mailer-type of box with a ribbon closure. The folios, without their boxes, are very common. The folios with open boxes sometimes come up on ebay. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86409487/cam1.JPG https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86409487/Cam9.JPG The sealed, unopened boxes are rarer... How many people receive a box and don't open it? You can also ask Rudy Franchi about Charley's marketing of Star Wars. Charley's marketing of Star Wars, especially the advance merchandising and licensing, changed the way movies are marketed. There were a few films released before Star Wars with advance merchandising and licensing, such as Paramount's The Great Gatsby and 20th Century's Doctor Doolittle but for box office results -- but it was Star Wars' Kenner line which changed movie marketing. From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced I have similar ring binder books for Willow and for Chariots of Fire. I may even have more than one each and I may even have others it's obvious that some are just photographic prints, while others look like they were printed editions At 10:59 AM 6/21/2012, Freeman Fisher wrote: Geraldine, Your description of this ALIEN booklet is not accurate. These booklets were sent out to exhibitor owners and execs. Back in the 1970's there still existed numerous blind bid states. I worked in Texas and it was the most extreme example given the sizes of Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, San Antonio and Austin and the money those markets represented Blind bidding was when a theatre chain had to commit to a film, sometimes a year in advance, with terms outlined (1st two weeks at 70% 2nd two weeks
Re: [MOPO] David Prowse signature on a Star Wars Birthday Cake poster
From our limited experience selling SW collectibles, for the SW fan base, the signatures add value if you can establish authenticity. A little known fact is that Harrison Ford hated signing autographs. Fox had someone on staff who signed for him, and most of Harrison's autographed items were done by this Fox employee. To this day, many experts believe the employee autograph is Harrison's real signature. Fakes are rampant in the SW world. On Prowse's web site, he shows a lot fake Prowse autographs. He is very angry about fake autographs and doesn't even show his signature on his site for fear of providing conmen with a template. Whether autographs would increase the value of a poster like Happy Birthday, the question is how much more the fans would pay for an already expensive poster. I'm saying fans because its not the MOPO collectors who pay top dollar for SW. It's the SW fans. On the down side, having only Prowse's signature becomes a highlight for the missing others. If you had a vintage signed poster with photographs of you the various cast member, it would certainly be something you, as a fan, could be proud of. When you went to sell it, fans -- like you -- are now at an age where they have $$ to collect the more expensive items. How much more would one autograph be worth? How much more would you pay for a poster autographed to someone else? From: Ari Richards ariricha...@yahoo.com.au To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] David Prowse signature on a Star Wars Birthday Cake poster Have to agree, Average Joe's don't know who he is (for shame) and also he likes to SIGN, so its not rare to have his autograph (I had 5 or more quads signed by him a few years back - and could have had more). So as you say an investment decision do as mentioned, take a still and have that signed. But if you love the poster, love him, want to keep it, who cares right? Ari From: Jeff Potokar jpotok...@ca.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, 23 June 2012 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] David Prowse signature on a Star Wars Birthday Cake poster Jeff IMO, dont go with the sig on the poster. I would get a still and have him sign that. His john hancock will most likely devalue the poster... unless that isnt something you are concerned with or worried about in the future. Jeff On Jun 22, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Jeffrey Meyer wrote: Input please, I'll be seeing David Prowse in a couple weeks at a convention and I'm kinda torn on this, as an investment decision, would it be wise to have David Prowse sign his name next to the Darth Vader figure image on the Birthday Cake Star Wars poster? Or leave the poster alone without his signature? Any thoughts would help in making my decision. Thanks, Jeff websites: http://www.myspace.com/shaunluuhorrorfest http://www.myspace.com/jeffrey_meyer www.myspace.com/35mmbrewandview Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Andrew Sarris, Village Voice Film Critic, Dies at 83
Speaking of Alien, Andrew Sarris passed away. RIP http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/movies/andrew-sarris-film-critic-dies-at-83.html?_r=1pagewanted=all Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced
months...that was blind bidding!) Anyway to say only 30 were made is preposterous. Just in Texas alone there had to be at least 25 to 35 theatre chains, each film buyer and marketing guy receiving a copy. In the theatre chain I worked at, we usually would receive four to five and we were only in San Antonio. Now multiply those number by triple (or more) to accommodate the personnel at circuits like Plitt, AMC, General Cinema, United Artists, Mann, and you can see the numbers required approach a 1000 in no time. Plus certain critics at the major National News agencies received copies on occasion. Also a little common sense is in order. Once a brochure is on the printing press, or photos being printed and spiral bound, do you honestly think under 30 would be printed? Because once on the presses it almost as cheap to print several thousand as it is 20. The $$ are in the set-up. These pieces were not dissimilar to the Studio Release books from the 1930's that pop up frequently. So while it makes for great Ebay copy to limit their numbers to generate a false sense of scarcity. This is not the case with these marketing tools. Whether they have ever been in an auction or not is irrelevant. While you can ask whatever price you like, ($5000) as a MOPO buddy I just hate to see someone look so foolish.. freeman fisher On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:33 AM, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: We've decided to put up our own auctions. Will be announcing posters later, but thought the avid Alien collector might be interested in this ebay item. Based on the successful marketing of Star Wars, Charley Lippincott was hired by Johnny Friedkin / Fox to market Alien. This ebay auction is for a rare photo booklet made for Fox's studio heads. ebay listing 290731119615 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced
1.) The pricing of both Star Wars and Alien movie memorabilia have different values, depending on the market. Two years ago we sold several Chaykin poster on ebay for over $2k, yet received on Heritage $850 for that same poster, in the exact same condition. The Heritage Signature Auction went up in the same time period as our ebay auctions. The Heritage Chaykin went to movie poster collectors, where as our ebay poster was marketed to Star Wars collectors. There are a couple of MOPO dealers who currently have this same Chaykin listed on ebay at $2995. Is the poster worth $850 or $2995? 2) Some ebay dealers let the market set the price in the hopes that everything evens out -- some items sell higher while others sell lower. There's a ballpark price and an overall profit margin that averages out by the end of the year. Other dealers use ebay like a retail store and list retail prices, i.e., the Chaykins @ $2995. If the dealer sets a Chaykin @ $2995, are they thieves because they've set the price high? 3.) We had not expected to immediately sell the Alien Studio Head Glory Book. Like mrsminiver's Star Wars Glory book listed on ebay @ $42,000, we did not price this item for an immediate sale. We priced it high as a prelude to putting other items on ebay and promoting the brand for a the site we are building. 4.) The fortunate thing about posting on MOPO and getting attacked is we know what the nay sayers will say. On the site we are building where this item will eventually go -- along with other items from our collection -- we'll find and include documentation. I never thought I'd say this but I guess it's fortunate we moved 72,000 lbs out of LA as those boxes included a lot of files and memos from Charley's career. From: Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced I say let the market speak for itselfstart the book off low...if it is truly a unique piece you will usually get near what the market can bear. Aside from props on the Alien movie I don't see a ton of value in the paper. It was a good movie but nowhere as influential as Star Wars, which this movie probably would have not been made without it. Star Wars has some movie paper that can bring a few thousand dollars...the birthday cake, the mylars, etc...but I have yet to see any Alien paper to bring even $500 or more. Plus when you say less than 30..means there is still a supply (29 is still a lot) out there so the price doesn't justify the demand for a few photos. -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Freeman Fisher Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:51 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced I tried nicely to explain to you nicely about the impressive bid brochures I received in the 70's including exactly the ALIEN book you are selling and also sited other examples including OUTLAND, EXCALIBUR and others, printed on photographic paper then spiral bound and sent to others outside the studio in the industry. I am not going to get in a pissing match with you because you're tiresome. If you look at my original post I tried to explain that some were photographic, others offset/printed depending on the needs. Indeed they are still scarce but to claim less than 30 printed is preposterous. If you knew how many execs were at Fox (that doesn't even include producers, licensing etc.) at the time you would know even that amount doesn't hold water. Also we received these books well before a single poster was printed or trailer created..literally in some cases a year in advance as was the case here. But good look on your endeavors and pricing. freeman On Jun 22, 2012, at 6:17 AM, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: These are not off-set printed booklets. These are made of individual photographs printed by Stanley Bielecki's photo lab using Bob Penn's negatives. Stanley Bielecki printed them in his darkroom using Kodak photographic stock paper... they were then bound using one of the folio spiral bindings you could get at office supplies. If you look at the Alien text page -- the one with white lettering on a black box -- you'll see the copyright was added as an after thought with a typed file folder label. It's easy to think the images are on paper, but they're not. Stanley Bielecki was also the same photographer who hand printed the photos that were folio bound into the Star Wars cast and crew wrap gifts -- the Glory Book. Please look up the history of Star Wars Glory books. This item is a known collectors item and can be found online at other places than mrsminiver's ebay listing, 390426055170 Lucasfilm and Gus Lopez on swca.com used to have it up, as well as some
Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced
Gee, Grey, the Alien teaser 2 fillmore/avalon posters were part of that batch we sent. Need I say more? From: Smith, Grey - 1367 gre...@ha.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced Helmut, Funny you would mention that poster! http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=161226lotNo=53008 This poster, from the film’s original release, is the only item that does seem to get better money. I have sold it in the past for over $2000. Makes the one running now seem like a bargain! I have also sold the Alien book for close to $2000. From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Helmut Hamm Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 11:12 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced Jeffrey, I have yet to see any Alien paper to bring even $500 or more. as long as it's original and in good condition, I'd be happy to pay $500 for an advance onesheet on ALIEN. Cheers, Helmut http://www.filmposter.net Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Rare ALIEN Glory book -- less than 30 produced
We've decided to put up our own auctions. Will be announcing posters later, but thought the avid Alien collector might be interested in this ebay item. Based on the successful marketing of Star Wars, Charley Lippincott was hired by Johnny Friedkin / Fox to market Alien. This ebay auction is for a rare photo booklet made for Fox's studio heads. ebay listing 290731119615 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Framing question
I'm assuming you use acid free mounting boards. Can you suggest an online store where we can buy oversized boards? We use Dick Blick and can only get sheets in the 32x40 size. From: Helmut Hamm texasmu...@web.de To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Framing question Richard, I have been float mounting posters for several years, my frame shop has done this very frequently for both myself and for clients. Depending on the poster, we have used both white and black backing boards. In any case, the backing board should run slightly larger than the actual poster, and you obviously need spacers to get the proper 'floating' effect. I guess it takes some experience to choose the best depth for the spacers, and especially rolled posters may be stopped by the glass, that's unevitable. My frame shop fixes the posters to the backing board with acid free paper tape, in as many spots as necessary. It is important though, that the poster actually 'hangs' in the frame, as the poster will shrink and extend a bit when the climate changes, so do not fix them at all four corners, but rather attach them at the top. I like linenbacking and restoration for posters that have severe defects, or damages that heavily distract from the overall appearance (like, old tape, uuurgh...) When a poster has no or only light defects, I've had great results with float mounting, rather than hiding the folds or any defects, the float frame rather brings them out, it makes a poster look more like a piece of fine art. By clearly bringing out all defects, it also emphasizes on the fact that an old poster has a history, and another life, before it became a 'collectible'... For me, and a fair number of my clients, float mounting is the way to go. Helmut http://www.filmposter.net Much as I've enjoyed the recent Mopo madness, here's something relatively dull. Like many I've now shied away from automatically linen backing posters, and want to get the next lot float mounted. Like this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/evansrc/6069946_4a0340d948_o-2.jpg Needed to find a decent, yet not exorbitant framer in London, which I've done (thanks to an esteemed MOPO member), but they're cautious about float mounting. Even allowing for the rolled posters spending a time flattening out, they're reticent because of the low tack nature of acid free tape. I'd still prefer my posters framed this way, does anyone have any experience? Thanks, Richard Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Why do so few women participate on MoPo?
Have you noticed a delete key on your keyboard? You could try using it if you don't like people on a user group. From: Rix Posterz rixpost...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Why do so few women participate on MoPo? Please...I implore everyone. Don't give this woman any ammunition for her volleys against the righteous heralds of movie poster-dom. Let her go away..far away...like a troublesome toothache or an annoying canker sore. And keep telling yourselves: All will be well...eventually all will be well... In a message dated 6/12/2012 5:57:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fdav...@verizon.net writes: You should consider writing a blog. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Geraldine Kudaka Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:10 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Why do so few women participate on MoPo? The odd thing is that women love movies. I don't know how many of my women friends belong to movie groups. They meet up to have a bite and see a flick together. They share videos and pass along DVDs to each other. But poster collectors? I hadn't really thought about the number of women collectors vs the number of male collectors so I did a quick google search. From bankrate.com From birth, American women and men are raised to view and spend money quite differently. Our socialization, a trained behavior, is primarily modeled after our same-sex parent. While experts agree these generalizations are breaking down, the money paradigm most of us have been dealt is similar... Women, trained to nurture and seek acceptance, view money as a means to create a lifestyle. Women spend on things that enhance day-to-day living. Theirs is a now-money orientation. Men, trained to fix and provide, view money as a means to capture and accumulate value. Men don't spend, they invest. Men don't want something, they need it. Theirs is a future-money orientation... The article goes on the elaborate what each of the sexes accumulates or collects.. Women like to shop whereas men get trophies... Men will say, 'I need a new computer.' No, you want a new computer because it's faster, it has more bells and whistles, says Hayden. Men move those things they want into an investment category, 'This is a good investment.' And then they can't even enjoy it, they can't go, 'Oh, this is so much fun!' Everything is a serious need and everything is an investment. What men need to do is kind of ease up a little bit and enjoy what they're actually able to provide for themselves...snip... Women spend their money gradually over time, and men spend it on a number of big things. They spend really big to show off because there's a lot of ego risk on men today to do better than the next guy, she says.. As far as bankrate.com is concerned, women would rather spend hundreds buying a new pair of shoes or outfit, then go out to dinner and the movies where as guys will take that $$$ and invest in movie memorabilia. Guys will then join and post on MOPO to follow their investment. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Kudaka and Lippincott
Thank you for posting your view. From: S Yafet sya...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Kudaka and Lippincott MOPO has usually been one of the first places where I read about new and different and weird movie paper related stuff. It seems to offer many things to all sorts of collectors. Good. But it is also a very public forum that can have repercussions well beyond this group. Grey Smith is one of the most considerate, thoughtful and ethical people that I have come across in this hobby so these accusations, thoroughly discussed and detailed here on MOPO really do sound strange. His thorough, professional, reasonable and detailed response speaks for itself. Nathalie On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Smith, Grey - 1367 gre...@ha.com wrote: I feel I must now respond to Ms. Kudaka’s bizarre accusations of “missing or stolen” posters, and the ongoing discussions about her accusations on MOPO. Many of your know me personally, and know how hard I work to maintain my credibility and reputation. I have taken thousands of consignments in my eleven years with Heritage Auctions, and have sold well over $50 million in movie posters. In all that time, I cannot recall anyone ever accusing me or Heritage of stealing their movie posters before this! In fact most of our consignments come from repeat sellers and their friends, and I believe our consignor satisfaction ratings compare favorably with those of any of the world’s auction houses. Here is a link to all of the documents we just sent to Ms. Kudaka’s attorney, including a letter from Heritage’s attorney, in answer to her inquiry as to how her husband and her posters were handled while with Heritage: http://movieposters.ha.com/images/Lippincott-060512.pdf Ms. Kudaka’s accusation that items were lost or stolen are contradicted by the evidence. Other than Rudy Franchi’s referral, all of my initial dealings were directly with Mr. Lippincott via telephone and emails. Prior to receiving her complaints I had no contact whatsoever with Ms. Kudaka, who, it seems, remains very confused concerning the business her husband did with Heritage. For example, she states that from their first consignment we did not inform them that a Clockwork Orange poster would be sold at a later date than their other posters. In fact, a schedule was made at almost the very same time as her other posters were inventoried and both of those were mailed to them, as seen in the documents within the link. In a phone discussion with Mr. Lippincott, soon after the first consignment arrived, I informed him that Heritage had just sold a slightly better condition R-Rated revamp campaign poster for Clockwork in the previous November of 2009 auction http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7014lotNo=89585 and therefore I thought it best to wait until July of 2010 to sell the one he had sent me. I explained that running one right after the other may not be the best way to get a better price. He told me he was happy to do that and indeed that is what we did: In July of 2010, a few months after we’d auctioned the rest of their material (in March of 2010), we auctioned the Clockwork poster http://movieposters.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7025lotNo=83150 for a very solid price. Now if that is not looking out for a consignor, tell me what is? Ms. Kudaka now claims they did not sign an agreement to sell that poster. Again, she is confused, as Mr. Lippincott signed a Master agreement which covered the sale of any of their material for one year (among the documents linked to, above). She then claims that she and Mr. Lippincott mailed us material from which several posters went missing. However, as you can also see in the linked attachment documents, several days after mailing us an unsolicited consignment, Mr. Lippincott emailed me a list of what was mailed. The spreadsheet, again in the linked documents, shows exactly what was mailed from Mr. Lippincott to us, and on that spreadsheet there is no Get Carter one sheet nor a John and Yoko one sheet that Ms. Kudaka now claims were sent. She is simply wrong, as easily seen by the spreadsheet. In fact, after realizing that the two posters she later claimed were sent to us had not arrived, I asked in an email to her why she thought those had been sent. In response, she emailed back, “Charley jots the list down on a legal pad of what is going out.” Ms. Kudaka still apparently didn’t (and perhaps still doesn’t) realize that Mr. Lippincott had already sent me the spreadsheet, and they were not jotted down there. Very soon after I received Mr. Lippincott’s unsolicited, second consignment, I phoned him and explained that the posters he mailed were not of enough value for a Signature auction then asked whether he would care to sell in a weekly auction or would he rather I just mail
Re: [MOPO] Kudaka and Lippincott
Grey has written a very long email... While many of you have complained that I have carried this conversation on, Grey's posting will require a response that I cannot make without taking a long time on the computer composing a response. I cannot do this this week as I have other things i had planned, i.e., shipping off a few things which sold and a meeting with our attorney. We had planned on meeting with out attorney after receiving a pdf of Heritage's response to our letter this past weekend. So be forewarned -- we will make a response and it will be after the conversation has died down. By this, I mean the immediate responses you make to Grey's allegations will have posted, and not been answered. You may think it is because Grey's allegations are correct, but the truth is we are gathering together our facts so that whatever we post is correct. We do keep copies of emails, and have copies of emails prior to the last year. It will take time to go though the backup drives and other computers we used to search emails from 2009-2010, but if Grey wants to post his legal proof here, not a problem. The proof which Heritage and Rudy used of our culpability is an email we sent to Rudy including an inventory Grey implies I created. I did not create this list. The inventory list came from a database software report copied and pasted onto an email. If you look at the structure of the list, you will see it is from Heritage. The inventory is Heritage's format, layout and information structure. What is the likelihood that we, non-collectors and dealers who did not even know the value of our posters, out of the sky blue, used Heritage's format? Heritage's proof of Rudy's email is faulty for two reason -- One, the above origin of the inventory list. Here, let me interject I, a Paradox database user,do not have a database which can readily create this report format because I haven't bothered to learn any other database. This is not something I can prove to those of you who want to side with Heritage, so if you do not want to recognize Heritage's report structure -- let me make my second point. Per my attorney, one of the problems of using emails in court is courts may not accept emails as proof because emails can be forged. Am I stating that Heritage or Rudy forged an email? No. I am stating that short of finding our emails from the period, I cannot confirm Rudy's email, as posted, was sent from my computer. I can also say that rather than our attorney emailing Heritage, we chose to enter snail mail because it is legally viable. Our first letter was sent to heritage on May 5, and when Grey claimed he did not receive it, was resent about two weeks later. In that letter, our attorney specifically requested from Grey the names of the bonded person who received our posters and the two bonded persons who double checked Heritage's inventory. Heritage's attorney has skirted this issue and the only name included in the one page letter with copies of paperwork is his name -- Grey Smith. Does this mean. as per Heritage's claim on their site, they did not have two bonded, insured persons double-checking the inventory?. Last -- I cannot disclose the names of others who emailed me off list -- but I am not the only one to complain about Heritage. From: Smith, Grey - 1367 gre...@ha.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:01 PM Subject: [MOPO] Kudaka and Lippincott I feel I must now respond to Ms. Kudaka’s bizarre accusations of “missing or stolen” posters, and the ongoing discussions about her accusations on MOPO. Many of your know me personally, and know how hard I work to maintain my credibility and reputation. I have taken thousands of consignments in my eleven years with Heritage Auctions, and have sold well over $50 million in movie posters. In all that time, I cannot recall anyone ever accusing me or Heritage of stealing their movie posters before this! In fact most of our consignments come from repeat sellers and their friends, and I believe our consignor satisfaction ratings compare favorably with those of any of the world’s auction houses. Here is a link to all of the documents we just sent to Ms. Kudaka’s attorney, including a letter from Heritage’s attorney, in answer to her inquiry as to how her husband and her posters were handled while with Heritage: http://movieposters.ha.com/images/Lippincott-060512.pdf Ms. Kudaka’s accusation that items were lost or stolen are contradicted by the evidence. Other than Rudy Franchi’s referral, all of my initial dealings were directly with Mr. Lippincott via telephone and emails. Prior to receiving her complaints I had no contact whatsoever with Ms. Kudaka, who, it seems, remains very confused concerning the business her husband did with Heritage. For example, she states that from their first consignment we did not inform
Re: [MOPO] Kudaka and Lippincott
This does not even warrant taking the time to reply. From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Kudaka and Lippincott At 06:13 AM 6/12/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Last -- I cannot disclose the names of others who emailed me off list -- but I am not the only one to complain about Heritage. once again, the anony-mouse people who won't reveal themselves are the foil for someone else Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] My Consignment to Bruce.. and what I didn't like about it
done an inventory check when the stills were returned, because I 100% trust Bruce, I couldn't tell you if I got everything back or not, or if I was properly paid. I trust Bruce took care of my correctly. Anyway, and Bruce should recall this well, the description in the still listing had noted that this still was from a longtime collector who had personally gotten this selection of stills Bruce had listed and personally had each star autograph them back in the 1950s and 1960s. Well I knew this still, and I knew that was incorrect, so I let Bruce know that I believed the consignor was lying to him, because Bruce had gotten this still in my consignment, and presumably had sold it and so the consignor could not have had the still signed in the 1950s. I didn't realize what Bruce was going to tell me after he did his research. what did Bruce find out? He found out that this still was from my consignment. He had neither sold it nor returned it to me, and it was incorrectly placed in this other guy's consignment. He thanked me for pointing it out. He correctly apologized to me for screwing up, changed the description and a month or so later, I got my check. Did any of you ever hear me tell this story before?? I know the answer... NO What would have been the purpose to do so? I was not then and I am not now trying to embarrass my friend. The story is only being told now because after everything that has gone in, not just concerning Bruce v Heritage over the last few years, but particularly with Geraldine's story within which Bruce has very clearly aligned himself with Geraldine indicating that Heritage makes lots of mistakes, I have to point out that with just this one consignment, Bruce made numerous mistakes, including misplacing part of my consignment with someone else's By the way.. I did not gripe to Bruce about it. Not one bit. Simply said, my consignment of stills was handled poorly at every juncture, but I have only once even alluded to it publicly, which was here on MoPo in a single email in a single statement. I do not as a matter of course try to damage my competitors. I have never felt it was necessary. If my competitor does a poor job, they will go out of business all on their own and then I will benefit maybe. But I get no benefit by continually beating on my competitor's reputation and I wouldn't do that to Bruce anyway, just as I would never do it to Heritage. One of my best friends got into a very heated argument with me on what he considered me taking it easy on Heritage. Hey, Im not taking it easy on anyone. I deal with facts and in Geraldine's case, I don't jhave enough FACT to say Heritage got posters they say they did not. I didn't believe my parents when they would say you have to believe me because I say so and I'm certaionly not going to agree with Geraldine under the same circumstances. I'll make up my own mind thank you. No one I know is perfect. Not Grey Smith, not Geraldine Kudaka, not Bruce and certainly not myself. This overly long post is only to add some reflection and pragmatism to that idea. and now that that is done, I hope MoPo can stop being a battlefield between us and we can all live together peacefully, as we should, without people attacking each other. Geraldine has an issue with Heritage. I suggest Geraldine you let your attorney handle it with Heritage's attorney, so we can stop listening to it, and alot of other stuff.. Rich PS: I think everyone should consign posters to Bruce when appropriate, to Grey Smith when appropriate, to Sean when appropriate and to myself as well. They are all honest (including myself) and I'm positive that none of the people mentioned wold intentially hurt anyone Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Kudaka and Lippincott
Rich, as is evidenced by my continuing presence, I can take the heat... I read my emails from current to past, as that is how it comes into my box. After my last reply to your My Consignment to Bruce.. and what I didn't like about it post, I opened Dave's post which was written prior to the post I had replied. Dave -- who has a great way of looking at things -- viewed your postings on the subject with far more skepticism than I. This lead me to wonder if I made a mistake replying to your post with an open mind. And this post? Using words like lob flaming bags of dog poop or challenging my age or maturity? Really, do we have to get into personal, flaming wars? From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Kudaka and Lippincott Well Geraldine, you did reply, so I'm going to reply back do you want to know what I have to say IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN you wish to lob flaming bags of dog poop at someone and then you have the nerve to post I cannot disclose the names of others who emailed me off list -- but I am not the only one to complain about Heritage anony-mouse people who don't wish to post should not be used as a foil for someone like yourself to taint people you have a disagreement with. You may be 79 years old, but you act like you are 11 Rich I'm not anony-mouse At 03:25 PM 6/12/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: This does not even warrant taking the time to reply. From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Kudaka and Lippincott At 06:13 AM 6/12/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Last -- I cannot disclose the names of others who emailed me off list -- but I am not the only one to complain about Heritage. once again, the anony-mouse people who won't reveal themselves are the foil for someone else Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Kudaka and Lippincott
As an outsider, I'm puzzled by these personal attacks. What does Rich have against you, Bruce? It's so confusing to understand the allegiances between one dealer and another, or to figure out why one hates the other... Bruce, I hope I didn't offend you when I thanked Rich for posting his story -- especially since Rich was writing about lobbing dog poop and my age while I was writing that post... Sigh had I known... From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Kudaka and Lippincott I can't promise how I will feel. I have never posted against you in any way until now, and even now it was solely because of your relentless attacks on me. I don't see why you feel anything here is your battle. I am weary of the entire endless bickering, but will not allow attacks to go unanswered, so if you want all this to end, then let it end. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com wrote: Bruce I think I've had enough of this silliness in the last hour, you accused me of smearing you on APF. You may be my friend, but at some point, I just can't take it anymore. I want your assurance, before I post a Bruce isn't perfect story I do know, that you will not get angry at my post. I am not disturbed at you as my friend, but I'm getting disturbed at you as La Bruce and I'm not wanting to antagonize you, But I think it's time for some leveling of the playing field Rich At 06:13 PM 6/11/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: Was this addressed? Is there no chance the person who opened the package did not enter all the contents? If it was, then that really completely closes the matter, down to an unsolvable puzzle. If it was addressed, I certainly apologize. On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Franc fdav...@verizon.net wrote: I can't believe Bruce that you're actually doing one more pass on this. You have a great operation. I've bought many things from you over the years and I was always very happy with your service. But so does Grey. Constantly criticizing his operation, doesn't make yours any better. It just makes you seem unprofessional. FRANC -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 8:15 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Kudaka and Lippincott Grey That was a great detailed reply. I just have one question (and forgive me if this has been addressed in some way, because there has been so much posted about this that I can't wrap my head around it all. My question is, were you personally there when either or both packages were opened? If not, how can you know that an employee did not remove the more valuable posters that are now supposedly missing? It seems that this is a loose end that I have not seen addressed. In my operation, I have one person who opens absolutely EVERY package (Clark) and he has been with me 10 years and I trust him implicitly. I want him to open every single package so that the day a dispute like this would arise (and it never has) then the ONLY two possible answers would be that the person who sent the package misremembered (or lied) or that Clark stole the items. Do you either personally witness each package being opened, or do you have a single employee who does this (as I do) or do you have cameras recording the opening? I do think your addressing this earlier would have been better, because the combination of your remaining silent (and the offer to settle) creates an appearance of negligence or guilt on your part. Now you have certainly placed the ball back in Geraldine's court, forcing her to refute your statements, or come up with additional evidence. Bruce On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:54 PM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com wrote: Grey - * As one of the few who defended Geraldine's right to post - and who knew the tactical reasons why you/Heritage remained silent - and who also wrote and spoke to you personally about this train wreck - I'm glad you finally felt unleashed to strongly defend yourself here. Your response is clear, easy to follow and portrays your role as a non-aggressor - whose every effort to resolve this dispute was rebuffed. I wonder if the only outcome that would have been satisfactory to Geraldine was a full retail cash settlement and an admission of guilt. * What bothered me was the small amounts in dispute in relation to the big-dollar picture of Heritage's operations. When any person takes his or her grievances public, it's almost always the court of last resort, as most disagreements broil beneath the surface for many weeks or months before exploding in public. The elapsed time between the start of this dispute to today - was far too long, with the MoPo portion of this dispute stretching more than two months. I never like
Re: [MOPO] Perhaps mildly germane...
NO NO NO... we need more posts like this From: David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 8:29 PM Subject: [MOPO] Perhaps mildly germane... Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Why do so few women participate on MoPo?
The odd thing is that women love movies. I don't know how many of my women friends belong to movie groups. They meet up to have a bite and see a flick together. They share videos and pass along DVDs to each other. But poster collectors? I hadn't really thought about the number of women collectors vs the number of male collectors so I did a quick google search. From bankrate.com From birth, American women and men are raised to view and spend money quite differently. Our socialization, a trained behavior, is primarily modeled after our same-sex parent. While experts agree these generalizations are breaking down, the money paradigm most of us have been dealt is similar... Women, trained to nurture and seek acceptance, view money as a means to create a lifestyle. Women spend on things that enhance day-to-day living. Theirs is a now-money orientation. Men, trained to fix and provide, view money as a means to capture and accumulate value. Men don't spend, they invest. Men don't want something, they need it. Theirs is a future-money orientation... The article goes on the elaborate what each of the sexes accumulates or collects.. Women like to shop whereas men get trophies... Men will say, 'I need a new computer.' No, you want a new computer because it's faster, it has more bells and whistles, says Hayden. Men move those things they want into an investment category, 'This is a good investment.' And then they can't even enjoy it, they can't go, 'Oh, this is so much fun!' Everything is a serious need and everything is an investment. What men need to do is kind of ease up a little bit and enjoy what they're actually able to provide for themselves...snip... Women spend their money gradually over time, and men spend it on a number of big things. They spend really big to show off because there's a lot of ego risk on men today to do better than the next guy, she says.. As far as bankrate.com is concerned, women would rather spend hundreds buying a new pair of shoes or outfit, then go out to dinner and the movies where as guys will take that $$$ and invest in movie memorabilia. Guys will then join and post on MOPO to follow their investment. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] HIGHLY OFFENSIVE: Seriously?
Diana, I hope you don't leave the list because some guys made a statement which offended you -- as it would most women. From: Diana and/or Morris Everett Jr dianademail-las...@yahoo.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] HIGHLY OFFENSIVE: Seriously? Seriously, Kirby? All I did was enter into this online community of people I know and enjoy seeing a time or two a year, to ask an honest question and have what turned out to be a little fun. Any then you write this? Disgusting. You need to get a life. You owe this woman, wife, mother, and grandmother of two young girls an apology. Nevermind. I won't be coming back to look for one. Diana Everett From: Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net To: Diana and/or Morris Everett Jr dianademail-las...@yahoo.com Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 11:57 AM Subject: HIGHLY OFFENSIVE: Re: [MOPO] Off topic: but oh boy would I love a favor. The greatest moment in the history of country music was when Johnny Cash's stepdaughter, Carlene Carter, said that she was going to put the cunt back in country.* It's been all downhill after that. *In 1979, during a concert at New York's Bottom Line, Carlene Carter introduced a song about mate-swapping called Swap-Meat Rag by stating, If this song don't put the cunt back in country, I don't know what will. Yours sincerely, Pat Boone On Jun 9, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Diana and/or Morris Everett Jr wrote: We are indeed! And the boots I would be scootin' in are custom made Paul Bonds with my initials inlaid front and back! We're serious about this stuff, by golly! You should have seen the show tonight. Blake Shelton and Jake Owen made me swoon, Carrie Underwood who is sheer perfection in every way certainly had Mo's attention, and the National Anthem was sung to perfection by The Oak Ridge Boys. That's what I'm talking' about: Yee Haw! As for the porn you sent Morrie, Kirby you nut, those were some great shots of movie poster stuff from back in the day. Mo is hanging his head for not getting back to you the moment he watched it. I really enjoyed seeing Mo bidding in that auction. He says THANK YOU!! Okay, so I have no input as to how to get great - or even good- tickets to next year's CMA event. Bummer, dudes. 'Night- By the way, here is my favorite, hands down, no question about it, FOREVER AND EVER favorite country music video. Mo loves it too. We both wish we could have participated!! Watch it standing up and HAVE A GOOD TIME!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSROm-vgVRk From: Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Off topic: but oh boy would I love a favor. They're boot-scooters! They should move to Texas. Like Stephen McNally and the Indians in APACHE DRUMS, we are surrounded by those people. Yee hah. K. On Jun 8, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: At 07:03 AM 6/8/2012, Diana and/or Morris Everett Jr wrote: I am a huge ( okay, bigger than huge) country music fan, and Mo has been a willing convert. Poor Morrie Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services
It's important to keep a sense of humor about all this... urinating on someone laying on a bed of nails??? Hahaha... Where do these ideas come from? From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services It wouldn't be that pleasurable until you got a sex change and even then, it's kinda doubtful : - ) At 07:20 PM 6/8/2012, Rix Posterz wrote: Geraldine, Personally, I send all of my high-end pieces to Bruce H., but, man. all this constant negative B.S. about Heritage Auctions is in my estimation truly getting old. Even if Grey Smith was the Devil incarnate, I'd be growing weary of your constant diatribes I have no doubt that most members of Mopo feel the same way. but are too polite to say what they think it to you. If I'm wrong, Mopo. please lie me on a bed of nails and let Rich find great pleasure in urinating on me! For all of us, Geraldine, please silence yourself about all this worn-out bullshit, Sincerely, Rick Ryan rixposterz In a message dated 6/8/2012 6:49:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gkud...@rocketmail.com writes: Seems to me the director of a professional auction company would not say, Don't worry, we have your posters tagged and inventoried unless they did have them tagged. Seems to me, a professional auction company doing what is close to a billion dollars worth of annual sales would have a very good double-ledger type of accounting software tied to a database which could help staff evaluate poster's worth and track it's movement through their system. That same software would not allow an employee to simply remove it's existence from their inventory. Seems to me if a professional auction company has high end Signature auctions and weekly low-end auctions, posters going in the low-end auction would be in the same database. Seems to me, if a company like Bruce's which does a high volume of annual sales is capable of keeping track of their customer's inventory, a company like Heritage, which specialized in high end Signature auctions, should be able to keep track of inventory The question is, does a high end company like Heritage depend on their customer's inventory to evaluate a poster's worth or a shipment? Doubt it. From: John Waldman jhnwald...@yahoo.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services Seems to me a professional auction company would tell the customer to do a inventory. Not everyone knows what to do when they are selling something at auction. It's not an everyday occurrence after all. A little customer service goes a long way. JW From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services These conversations move very rapidly, especially when one gets loopy after a lot of hours writing emails. My apologies... I don't know if you've been following the discussion about our submissions to Heritage and our stock -- which we had been told by Grey were tagged and inventoried -- disappearing. We were never paid for them and they weren't returned. After Heritage only listed a portion of our posters on their inventory, Rudy Franchi told us Heritage didn't want the common posters -- like the Judge Dredd double sided transparency posters used in light box marquees we had sent in our first consignment batch -- and suggested we consign the higher valued posters to Heritage, and common posters like the aforementioned Dredd to Bruce. I posted my submission to Bruce on MOPO because there was a lot of talk about my responsibility for sending an un-inventoried lot to Heritage. In fact, some MOPOers said I was to blame for their disappearance at Heritage because I hadn't inventoried them or pursued Grey about their status. Well, at the same time we sent our 2nd batch of posters to Heritage, we sent an equal sized consignment batch to Bruce. Like the Heritage consignment, this consignment to Bruce was not inventoried. I haven't been posting Bruce illegally appropriated my goods because there wasn't a problem with payments or returns. The deal was straight ahead and worked without any effort on my part. And if Bruce wears a kilt or has good legs... well, I couldn't say. From: Rix Posterz rixpost...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services Wait...maybe I missed something. Does Bruce wear a kilt? Is that what
[MOPO] Boring subjects beaten to death
I am all in favor of newsgroups maintaining control over bandwidth so that user's mailboxes aren't filled with spam or garbage. I also think it is only common courtesy to reply to emails addressed to you. If I sit down to respond to someone's posts, I like to get an acknowledgement of my post. Now if we could get everybody on the same page to respond to the same subject at the same time, we wouldn't be beating as subject to death because everyone would posts on the same subject simultaneously. Oh, if only life were that orderly. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Ray Bradbury, A Remembrance
Great story. Sad to see the passing of such a wonderful writer. For a man with such a brilliant mind, the stroke must have been incredibly frustrating and at 91, he lived to a ripe old age. From: Rix Posterz rixpost...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 12:46 PM Subject: [MOPO] Ray Bradbury, A Remembrance In the min-1970's, I was a young, aspiring writer living in L.A., working on a Sci-Fi project with a friend named Tim Bruckner (who is now a well-known sculptor of super hero and fantasy figures). The story was about a dream-eating deity called The Enicol. To make a long story short, both Tim and I were quite excited about the strange tale we'd come up with and decided to try to contact as many well-known writers in the Sci-Fi genre as we could. Believe it or not, back in 1974 Harlan Ellison's home phone number was listed in the San Fernando Valley white pages, so...after staring at it for a day or two, I dialed the number and Harlan Ellison did indeed answer my call. I got as far as saying something to the effect of Hello, Mr. Ellison, my name's Rick Ryan and I've always been a huge admirer of your work... That's as far as I got before Harlan seemed to gototally berserk, angrily screaming at me about bothering him with my call, demanding that I promise never, EVER to call him again! Of course, I quietly did as he asked and immediately hung up the phone. Within the following month or so, someone had told me that Ray Bradbury had an office in Beverly Hills (I'm pretty sure that's where it was---if not, it was very close to Beverly Hills). Anyway, early one afternoon, I entered the building where Mr. Bradbury's office was supposed to be and. lo and behold, on the second floor at the end of the hallway was a door that had Ray Bradbury on it in some fashion or another. Unfortunately, the door also had a very large sign on it saying something like: WARNING! Please Do Not Disturb! I Am a Working Author and WILL NOT RESPOND! If you wish to contact me for any reason, call: 555-6238 (Of course the wording on the sign and the telephone number were different, but you get the idea...). So. for the next 2 or 3 days I called and called that number and no one ever answered. Back then, they didn't have answering machines and Ray Bradbury wasn't the kind of guy to have one anyway---hey, he never drove a car, so why would he want an annoying answering machine. Anyway, after dialing that number for what seemed like 100 times, on the 101st attempt, a voice answered on the other end of the line. It was Ray Bradbury. In contrast to Mr. Ellison, Mr. Bradbury talked to me for at least a half an hour about everything from the craft of writing to his experience working with John Huston on the set while they were filming Moby Dick (for which he wrote the screenplay). After all this time, I don't remember all the incidentals of the conversation. What I do remember is what a kind, warm and welcoming gentleman the legendary literary giant Ray Bradbury was when he talked on the phone to some young, naive kid who was callling him with some crazy Sci-Fi idea. I also remember his closing words in our conversation were God bless you, son. What a wonderful human being. It's one of the great honors of my life to have had that experience over 35 years ago Rick Ryan Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services
I only wish it was fiction instead of a boring accounting of an event which actually transpired. From: Zeev Drach lobb...@rogers.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services Wow Geraldine, this is a very interesting story. That’s the first I hear of it. Zeev From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Geraldine Kudaka Sent: June 6, 2012 9:41 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services These conversations move very rapidly, especially when one gets loopy after a lot of hours writing emails. My apologies... I don't know if you've been following the discussion about our submissions to Heritage and our stock -- which we had been told by Grey were tagged and inventoried -- disappearing. We were never paid for them and they weren't returned. After Heritage only listed a portion of our posters on their inventory, Rudy Franchi told us Heritage didn't want the common posters -- like the Judge Dredd double sided transparency posters used in light box marquees we had sent in our first consignment batch -- and suggested we consign the higher valued posters to Heritage, and common posters like the aforementioned Dredd to Bruce. I posted my submission to Bruce on MOPO because there was a lot of talk about my responsibility for sending an un-inventoried lot to Heritage. In fact, some MOPOers said I was to blame for their disappearance at Heritage because I hadn't inventoried them or pursued Grey about their status. Well, at the same time we sent our 2nd batch of posters to Heritage, we sent an equal sized consignment batch to Bruce. Like the Heritage consignment, this consignment to Bruce was not inventoried. I haven't been posting Bruce illegally appropriated my goods because there wasn't a problem with payments or returns. The deal was straight ahead and worked without any effort on my part. And if Bruce wears a kilt or has good legs... well, I couldn't say. From:Rix Posterz rixpost...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services Wait...maybe I missed something. Does Bruce wear a kilt? Is that what you're saying? In a message dated 6/6/2012 5:44:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gkud...@rocketmail.com writes: I did forget to mention you, Bruce... Sorry.. Mistake as you were the inspiration for my disgruntled attitude... Your regular payments to our Paypal account was what kept Heritage's lack of payments in the forefront of my mind. Even though your company has done phenomenally well -- an inspiration for any ebay seller that yes, there is life after ebay -- Heritage gets more press because of their huge glossy catalog and high dollar items... But you've proven that reliability is more important than big glossies. Reminds me of a producer I knew who accidentally started investing in coin operated laundromats. He loved it. Said all those quarters were the easiest way to rake in the money, and he didn't have to deal with whining actors and residuals. All it took was a part time handyman to keep those machines running. Quarters add up faster than big checks that never clear. From:Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Cc: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services Thanks much! That is the huge advantage of having 26 people working here, compared to just a handful (or just two) at many other places. And of course it is not just your consignment, but all the ones we receive (which can be very daunting, since we receive thousands of items per week, of all sizes, from all countries, and from all years). This past Sunday we even added TOYS to our Sunday lineup! Our job is to make it EASY for collectors to dispose of unwanted items, and to help them get more than they could if they sold them to a dealer. If they need to have notarized lists of what they sent (complete with videos of them placing the items into packages and taking them to the Post Office!) then we no longer serve that function, and our consignors will go elsewhere. Bruce On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: One point, which Sean inspired me to put into my email rebuttal -- is actually a very important point which I didn't bring up earlier because it wasn't relevant. The same day we shipped out this 2nd batch of 30-40 un-inventoried posters to Heritage, we also shipped a batch of the same 30-40 batch size to Bruce. We packed them at the same time, and took them both to be shipped, insured... of course. Bruce
[MOPO] Speaking of Bradbury
Its a pavlov reaction -- my brain always connects the Bradbury building to the name Bradbury. Though the Bradbury building has no connection to Ray Bradbury, it truly is a wonderful building which was used in one of my favorite author's adaptation -- Phillip K. Dicks - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep otherwise known as Bladerunner. The shots of Harrison Ford and Rutgar Hauer running through Sebastian's apartment is one of the all-time classics. Killer ending. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services
Seems to me the director of a professional auction company would not say, Don't worry, we have your posters tagged and inventoried unless they did have them tagged. Seems to me, a professional auction company doing what is close to a billion dollars worth of annual sales would have a very good double-ledger type of accounting software tied to a database which could help staff evaluate poster's worth and track it's movement through their system. That same software would not allow an employee to simply remove it's existence from their inventory. Seems to me if a professional auction company has high end Signature auctions and weekly low-end auctions, posters going in the low-end auction would be in the same database. Seems to me, if a company like Bruce's which does a high volume of annual sales is capable of keeping track of their customer's inventory, a company like Heritage, which specialized in high end Signature auctions, should be able to keep track of inventory The question is, does a high end company like Heritage depend on their customer's inventory to evaluate a poster's worth or a shipment? Doubt it. From: John Waldman jhnwald...@yahoo.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services Seems to me a professional auction company would tell the customer to do a inventory. Not everyone knows what to do when they are selling something at auction. It's not an everyday occurrence after all. A little customer service goes a long way. JW From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services These conversations move very rapidly, especially when one gets loopy after a lot of hours writing emails. My apologies... I don't know if you've been following the discussion about our submissions to Heritage and our stock -- which we had been told by Grey were tagged and inventoried -- disappearing. We were never paid for them and they weren't returned. After Heritage only listed a portion of our posters on their inventory, Rudy Franchi told us Heritage didn't want the common posters -- like the Judge Dredd double sided transparency posters used in light box marquees we had sent in our first consignment batch -- and suggested we consign the higher valued posters to Heritage, and common posters like the aforementioned Dredd to Bruce. I posted my submission to Bruce on MOPO because there was a lot of talk about my responsibility for sending an un-inventoried lot to Heritage. In fact, some MOPOers said I was to blame for their disappearance at Heritage because I hadn't inventoried them or pursued Grey about their status. Well, at the same time we sent our 2nd batch of posters to Heritage, we sent an equal sized consignment batch to Bruce. Like the Heritage consignment, this consignment to Bruce was not inventoried. I haven't been posting Bruce illegally appropriated my goods because there wasn't a problem with payments or returns. The deal was straight ahead and worked without any effort on my part. And if Bruce wears a kilt or has good legs... well, I couldn't say. From: Rix Posterz rixpost...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services Wait...maybe I missed something. Does Bruce wear a kilt? Is that what you're saying? In a message dated 6/6/2012 5:44:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gkud...@rocketmail.com writes: I did forget to mention you, Bruce... Sorry.. Mistake as you were the inspiration for my disgruntled attitude... Your regular payments to our Paypal account was what kept Heritage's lack of payments in the forefront of my mind. Even though your company has done phenomenallywell -- an inspiration for any ebay seller that yes, there is life after ebay -- Heritage gets more press because of their huge glossy catalog and high dollar items... But you've proven that reliability is more important than big glossies. Reminds me of a producer I knew who accidentally started investing in coin operated laundromats. He loved it. Said all those quarters were the easiest way to rake in the money, and he didn't have to deal with whining actors and residuals. All it took was a part time handyman to keep those machines running. Quarters add up faster than big checks that never clear. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Cc: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services Thanks much! That is the huge advantage of having 26 people working here, compared to just a handful (or just two) at many other places. And of course it is not just your
Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services
One point, which Sean inspired me to put into my email rebuttal -- is actually a very important point which I didn't bring up earlier because it wasn't relevant. The same day we shipped out this 2nd batch of 30-40 un-inventoried posters to Heritage, we also shipped a batch of the same 30-40 batch size to Bruce. We packed them at the same time, and took them both to be shipped, insured... of course. Bruce immediately responded by email, and we started getting sales reports payments to our Paypal account. In fact, it was Bruce's regular payments that caused us to start questioning why we hadn't heard from Heritage. So here's to Bruce, for handling out 30-40 un-inventoried posters in a responsible, professional way. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Open Question to Grey Smith / Heritage
Grey told us Heritage only listed on the inventory posters they are putting up for the next Signature auction. We do not realize there is something wrong here. We ask Heritage about what is not on the list and are told Heritage has a secure inventory and tagging process. We are happy with the sales and think Heritage earned their commission. We think they are doing a good job and after this 2nd check clears, decide to send them more product. We are not aware of missing posters because in our conversations with Heritage, we are asked whether we want to sell these in Heritage's weekly auction. As our Star Wars sales are very good on ebay, we decline. We are told our posters are safely held as they are tagged and inventoried. At the same time we send Heritage this 2nd batch, we also send another dealer a batch of 30-40 posters -- Bruce. It is only after Bruce starts sending us payments that we start to wonder why Heritage isn't moving out posters. From: s...@platinumposters.com s...@platinumposters.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Open Question to Grey Smith / Heritage This part is interesting Geraldine: Once removed from their packages, your items are double-checked against your inventory to ensure that the consignment is complete, and then clearly tagged with a unique consignor number, identifying it as yours. If you haven't prepared an inventory, we will make one which is verified by a second staff member. So in a case like yours where you DIDN'T prepare an inventory, and they prepared one for you (where you felt items were missing), why in the world would you send a second package to them WITHOUT preparing an inventory list that time? (why would you send one period if you felt they didn't report everything they had receieved?) There are some holes in your story. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were to land me in a lawsuit attempting to claim some sort of duress, what portion of such duress is my own fault for not protecting myself?? I do remember the days when a handshake deal was a bond, but I have also felt the betrayal of a handshake deal not being honored, making me wish I had done what was necessary to protect myself before any issues arose. Not completing such an action is no one's fault but my own. So the question becomes, IF your claims are true, what responsibility do you think you have in not having done what was necessary to protect yourself? Do you think this was a failure on your behalf, or do you think that you have any responsibility at all? If you were to sue Heritage, what proof would you use to prove your case? Admittedly, you made no inventory, Charlie is 82 and you are also at an age where things become less clear to the mind - through no fault of your own.. It just happens as people get older. It will happen to me as well probably. I have thought at times that something is missing and believed I had given it to someone, only to later find said item in my inventory, generally somewhere that it doesn't belong, at which point I was forced to apologize to that person who I thought screwed me. You did not do what was necessary to protect yourself, how can that be the fault of Heritage? Rich At 06:15 AM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Rudy, this list is not just for dealers. There are a lot of people who lurk here who are interested in movie posters. They are not professional dealers in the business. Some may be non-poster business people interested in selling off collections acquired from either a lifetime of working in the industry, or inherited them from dad, who passed on. This is also a public list which non-subscribers go to for archived information on how to sell their posters.. As a noted movie poster expert, these uninformed sellers need to know that you will encourage them to send their collections post vite to Heritage. You will not tell them that they need to protect themselves by doing a photographic inventory and log of their posters before sending to Heritage. You will not warn them that Heritage's inventory process is suspect and their software probably some home-user Access-like database program. (Here, I'm referring to security differences between programs like Quicken and true business accounting software which do not allow you to change entries without leaving a trail.) You will not tell them that heritage will not return posters they do not sell. You will simply funnel them to Heritage -- for your commission. For this reason - among others - an esteemed seller on this list posted a wish that you were dead... Need I remind you I defended you? This was before I sat down and went though
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
Heritage has a pattern of offering to donate the value of contested good to charity. It reduces a corporations tax by making a charitable contribution... assuming the contribution goes through. Here are some links to show other instances where Heritage made offers... i.e.: I spoke to Steve Ivy one of the owners of the company. Steve said that he would reduce the seller's fee on the consigned items as long as I did not bad mouth his company. I told him that my interest was simply to point out that one of his employees made a mistake and that his company should be held liable. Steve then reneged on his committment to reduce the seller's fee. See for yourself. http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26threadid=803513 http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/heritage-auctions-arkansas-c310316.html http://www.ripoffreport.com/liars/heritage-auction-gal/heritage-auction-galleries-m-bjc85.htm http://www.ripoffreport.com/sports-cards-memorabilia/heritage-auction/heritage-auction-beware-of-th-e76fc.htm http://www.bbb.org/dallas/business-reviews/auctioneers/heritage-auctions-in-dallas-tx-23003944/complaints From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory If you are a scammer and the only beneficiary of your scam was the Red Cross, you are less inclined to try the same thing again. very well put Phillip ps: I do not believe that Geraldine is doing this. I believe she is angry lashing out at her apparent source of anger pps: I also think that Geraldine isn't looking at the issue objectively.. i.e. - Geraldine is not accepting any responsibility on her own for whatever mistakes she may have made in not preparing her own inventory Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander
If Heritage would like to sue me for libel, they must prove I have knowingly slandered them and attempted to defame them instead of simply stating facts on the internet. There is a line between saying Prince Charles wears drag -- which would be defamatory -- and saying, Hey, guys, I think such and such a company may be ripping me off. Whaddya think? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
[MOPO] Intentions
All this public speculations about my intentions... I have stated several times Charley and I are not regular buyers or sellers. We simply own posters. We own posters because we love movies and worked in the film industry for 50 years. During this period, we acquired lots of movie-related goods. We're at an age where we are downsizing. We ended up ebaying some stuff, donating other stuff to charity, and using Bruce Heritage to auction off some posters. Our experiences with Heritage were anything but pleasant. So why do I post? What is my intention? We believe that newsgroups like MOPO usually are dominated by people doing business, mostly selling, but there are a lot of lurkers who are simply interested. These lurkers may be minor collectors, or people who are too busy or unwilling to spend the time it takes to actively post. As a long-time MOPO lurker, I've learned a lot about the business from reading postings. Even stuff like dirt on fleabay or international shipping I've copied onto my clipboard. Why do I post? Why? Because I wish that I had read posts about how to submit posters to auction before sending my posters off... In reality, I don't know if it would make much difference because the bottom line is -- If there's a will, there's a way... Dale Ditts also said in any consignment there's a risk of being ripped off, whether or not an inventory was made. To conclude, I've received emails from people off-list who have had similar bad experiences. These are people who are on the peripheral edges of the hobby who weren't interested in challenging the Goliaths and simply let it go because it was just too much hassle. I wish I could have benefited from the experiences of these people who emailed me in the last week a couple of years ago. I sure would have done things differently. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander
Whoops -- Prince Charles does wear skirts!!! Scottish kilts... and he's got great legs... From: John Waldman jhnwald...@yahoo.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander I think you're going to hear from Prince Charles lawyer. JW From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander If Heritage would like to sue me for libel, they must prove I have knowingly slandered them and attempted to defame them instead of simply stating facts on the internet. There is a line between saying Prince Charles wears drag -- which would be defamatory -- and saying, Hey, guys, I think such and such a company may be ripping me off. Whaddya think? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services
I did forget to mention you, Bruce... Sorry.. Mistake as you were the inspiration for my disgruntled attitude... Your regular payments to our Paypal account was what kept Heritage's lack of payments in the forefront of my mind. Even though your company has done phenomenallywell -- an inspiration for any ebay seller that yes, there is life after ebay -- Heritage gets more press because of their huge glossy catalog and high dollar items... But you've proven that reliability is more important than big glossies. Reminds me of a producer I knew who accidentally started investing in coin operated laundromats. He loved it. Said all those quarters were the easiest way to rake in the money, and he didn't have to deal with whining actors and residuals. All it took was a part time handyman to keep those machines running. Quarters add up faster than big checks that never clear. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Cc: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services Thanks much! That is the huge advantage of having 26 people working here, compared to just a handful (or just two) at many other places. And of course it is not just your consignment, but all the ones we receive (which can be very daunting, since we receive thousands of items per week, of all sizes, from all countries, and from all years). This past Sunday we even added TOYS to our Sunday lineup! Our job is to make it EASY for collectors to dispose of unwanted items, and to help them get more than they could if they sold them to a dealer. If they need to have notarized lists of what they sent (complete with videos of them placing the items into packages and taking them to the Post Office!) then we no longer serve that function, and our consignors will go elsewhere. Bruce On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: One point, which Sean inspired me to put into my email rebuttal -- is actually a very important point which I didn't bring up earlier because it wasn't relevant. The same day we shipped out this 2nd batch of 30-40 un-inventoried posters to Heritage, we also shipped a batch of the same 30-40 batch size to Bruce. We packed them at the same time, and took them both to be shipped, insured... of course. Bruce immediately responded by email, and we started getting sales reports payments to our Paypal account. In fact, it was Bruce's regular payments that caused us to start questioning why we hadn't heard from Heritage. So here's to Bruce, for handling out 30-40 un-inventoried posters in a responsible, professional way. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander
I think there's a problem with Charles getting crowned because he married a divorcee... Charley and I are a bit bemused by the Brit's view of their Queen Mum. Young people -- people I wouldn't expect to be Royalist - love the Queen because she is their mother. Nothing comparable in US. From: Simon Oram fab5fre...@btinternet.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander It’s always been a good argument, just how much does the Royal Family bring in, £44 billion (in this article, The Telegraph can be a bit bias) is allot but what if the Royal Family were booted out of office? All those out of bounds palaces and castles would be opened up to the public and all the parties and engagements would cease and the upkeep of the establishments would be self sufficient. The history of the Royal Family would be opened up even more to the public and could bring even more money in , just being able to walk around Buckingham Palace would be a major draw. Things like Changing of the Guard could still be enacted for tourism along with many other traditional ceremonies if they were of enough interest. Just because there is no Royal Family doesn’t mean that the money stops flowing, however I don’t see it lasting much longer once the Queen has gone no matter how much the young Royals try to reinvent it, it’s still the same people pulling the stings from above, in fact the Royals at the boat pageant did remind me a bit of marionettes. Simon From: Neil Jaworski Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:46 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/the_queens_diamond_jubilee/9292607/The-Queen-gets-a-44bn-valuation-for-family-Firm.html From: Simon Oram fab5fre...@btinternet.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2012, 15:32 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander It attracts boat loads of American tourists apparently. Simon From: John Waldman Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:20 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander What does your royalty do anyway? Other than cost a boat load of money. JW From: Simon Oram fab5fre...@btinternet.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander Public opinion polls show it's in favour of the son but I think there has been a warming to Charles of late. Personally I wouldn't mind a public beheading and the expulsion of all royals to Devils Island, we then get on with becoming a Republic and then have the return of Tony Blair as President. Simon -Original Message- From: Bruce Hershenson Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:00 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander Would English subjects prefer Charles or his son to be King (I realize they don't get to vote, but I assume there are polls)? On 6/6/12, Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi Bruce, yes absolutely. In the same way that Elizabeth will never abdicate, Charles will never pass up the opportunity to be King after waiting so very, very long. Charles predicament is not unlike Edward VII who was 60 when he ascended the throne upon the death of Queen Victoria in 1901. Victoria's reign of 63 years is currently the longest on record. However, if Elizabeth matches the longevity of the Queen Mother - who lived to be 101 - and rules for 77 years, Charles would be 80+ before his coronation. The furious, impatient Prince Regent in Alan Bennett's The Madness Of King George puts it well: To be Prince of Wales is not a position, it is a predicament! MOPO's Royal Correspondent Neil J From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2012, 14:16 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander Slightly off subject, but do you British subjects think Prince Charles will ever get to be King? Bruce On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Neil Jaworski neiljawor...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Prince Charles only wears drag whilst he's talking to his favourite plants about his scheme to murder the Queen. Oops! From: John Waldman jhnwald...@yahoo.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2012, 13:54 Subject: Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander I think you're going to hear from Prince Charles lawyer. JW From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Libel or slander If Heritage would like to sue me for libel, they must prove I have knowingly slandered them and attempted to defame them instead of simply stating facts on the internet
Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services
Oh, Bruce... believe me, its painful when you lose posters like Van Hammersvelt's Get Carter... It would have been far better had we sold then for far less because we wouldn't have ended up paying money to a lawyer. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services I agree. You'll notice that the competition for expensive posters is beyond fierce. EVERY auction wants them badly, and EVERY dealer insists they have unlimited money to buy them with. But NO ONE other than us wants anything to do with inexpensive items, unless they can buy them for a few pennies on the dollar, and often not even then. So we have no competition, and that works out well. ALL the major dealers (with the exception of a tiny handful) have consigned to us, and I bet it is just a matter of time before those last holdouts approach us, because they HAVE to be tired of watching that inventory just sit and sit and sit... One of these days we won't want that cheap stuff either, and then I guarantee you a ton of people will say, Why didn't I send my cheap stuff to Bruce when I had the chance?. Look at it this way. There was a time (1999 to 2003) when selling on eBay was like printing money (especially for cheap junk) and some people sold a lot then, but many others didn't get around to it until it was too late. Now there is a second chance to get rid of that cheap junk, and this time you don't have to do any work at all. And when we don't take that cheap stuff (sub $20) what are your options? Dealers who pay a few pennies on the dollar or auction houses who can't keep track of what you send? Not much of a choice in my book. Bruce On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: I did forget to mention you, Bruce... Sorry.. Mistake as you were the inspiration for my disgruntled attitude... Your regular payments to our Paypal account was what kept Heritage's lack of payments in the forefront of my mind. Even though your company has done phenomenallywell -- an inspiration for any ebay seller that yes, there is life after ebay -- Heritage gets more press because of their huge glossy catalog and high dollar items... But you've proven that reliability is more important than big glossies. Reminds me of a producer I knew who accidentally started investing in coin operated laundromats. He loved it. Said all those quarters were the easiest way to rake in the money, and he didn't have to deal with whining actors and residuals. All it took was a part time handyman to keep those machines running. Quarters add up faster than big checks that never clear. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Cc: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services Thanks much! That is the huge advantage of having 26 people working here, compared to just a handful (or just two) at many other places. And of course it is not just your consignment, but all the ones we receive (which can be very daunting, since we receive thousands of items per week, of all sizes, from all countries, and from all years). This past Sunday we even added TOYS to our Sunday lineup! Our job is to make it EASY for collectors to dispose of unwanted items, and to help them get more than they could if they sold them to a dealer. If they need to have notarized lists of what they sent (complete with videos of them placing the items into packages and taking them to the Post Office!) then we no longer serve that function, and our consignors will go elsewhere. Bruce On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: One point, which Sean inspired me to put into my email rebuttal -- is actually a very important point which I didn't bring up earlier because it wasn't relevant. The same day we shipped out this 2nd batch of 30-40 un-inventoried posters to Heritage, we also shipped a batch of the same 30-40 batch size to Bruce. We packed them at the same time, and took them both to be shipped, insured... of course. Bruce immediately responded by email, and we started getting sales reports payments to our Paypal account. In fact, it was Bruce's regular payments that caused us to start questioning why we hadn't heard from Heritage. So here's to Bruce, for handling out 30-40 un-inventoried posters in a responsible, professional way. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author
Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services
These conversations move very rapidly, especially when one gets loopy after a lot of hours writing emails. My apologies... I don't know if you've been following the discussion about our submissions to Heritage and our stock -- which we had been told by Grey were tagged and inventoried -- disappearing. We were never paid for them and they weren't returned. After Heritage only listed a portion of our posters on their inventory, Rudy Franchi told us Heritage didn't want the common posters -- like the Judge Dredd double sided transparency posters used in light box marquees we had sent in our first consignment batch -- and suggested we consign the higher valued posters to Heritage, and common posters like the aforementioned Dredd to Bruce. I posted my submission to Bruce on MOPO because there was a lot of talk about my responsibility for sending an un-inventoried lot to Heritage. In fact, some MOPOers said I was to blame for their disappearance at Heritage because I hadn't inventoried them or pursued Grey about their status. Well, at the same time we sent our 2nd batch of posters to Heritage, we sent an equal sized consignment batch to Bruce. Like the Heritage consignment, this consignment to Bruce was not inventoried. I haven't been posting Bruce illegally appropriated my goods because there wasn't a problem with payments or returns. The deal was straight ahead and worked without any effort on my part. And if Bruce wears a kilt or has good legs... well, I couldn't say. From: Rix Posterz rixpost...@aol.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services Wait...maybe I missed something. Does Bruce wear a kilt? Is that what you're saying? In a message dated 6/6/2012 5:44:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gkud...@rocketmail.com writes: I did forget to mention you, Bruce... Sorry.. Mistake as you were the inspiration for my disgruntled attitude... Your regular payments to our Paypal account was what kept Heritage's lack of payments in the forefront of my mind. Even though your company has done phenomenallywell -- an inspiration for any ebay seller that yes, there is life after ebay -- Heritage gets more press because of their huge glossy catalog and high dollar items... But you've proven that reliability is more important than big glossies. Reminds me of a producer I knew who accidentally started investing in coin operated laundromats. He loved it. Said all those quarters were the easiest way to rake in the money, and he didn't have to deal with whining actors and residuals. All it took was a part time handyman to keep those machines running. Quarters add up faster than big checks that never clear. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Cc: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce vs Heritage inventory auciton services Thanks much! That is the huge advantage of having 26 people working here, compared to just a handful (or just two) at many other places. And of course it is not just your consignment, but all the ones we receive (which can be very daunting, since we receive thousands of items per week, of all sizes, from all countries, and from all years). This past Sunday we even added TOYS to our Sunday lineup! Our job is to make it EASY for collectors to dispose of unwanted items, and to help them get more than they could if they sold them to a dealer. If they need to have notarized lists of what they sent (complete with videos of them placing the items into packages and taking them to the Post Office!) then we no longer serve that function, and our consignors will go elsewhere. Bruce On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: One point, which Sean inspired me to put into my email rebuttal -- is actually a very important point which I didn't bring up earlier because it wasn't relevant. The same day we shipped out this 2nd batch of 30-40 un-inventoried posters to Heritage, we also shipped a batch of the same 30-40 batch size to Bruce. We packed them at the same time, and took them both to be shipped, insured... of course. Bruce immediately responded by email, and we started getting sales reports payments to our Paypal account. In fact, it was Bruce's regular payments that caused us to start questioning why we hadn't heard from Heritage. So here's to Bruce, for handling out 30-40 un-inventoried posters in a responsible, professional way. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi
Whoops -- addendum to item 4... We not only send 30-40 posters to heritage, we send the same uninventoried number to Bruce. Addendum to number 5 We start getting emails from Bruce regarding out inventory selling payments deposited into our account. From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi 1. Rudy suckers you into sending posters to Heritage Suckers? I wouldn't have used that word. He was eager to make some money off a commission. 2. Heritage gets the posters, send you an inventory list and you think stuff is missing Correction, Heritage lists only posters they are putting up for the next auction. We do not realize there is something wrong here. We ask Heritage about what is not on the list and are told Heritage has a secure inventory and tagging process. 3. Heritage sells posters that aren't on the inventory list, sends you a check for $11K for at least one of them, and then doesn't sell other items that are on the list. Correction, Heritage then sells another poster -- which we didn't know was or wasn't on an inventory. 4. You are so mad about the missing items you decide to pack up another box of posters to send to Heritage without telling them and without making an inventory Correction - We are happy with the sales and think Heritage earned their commission. We think they are doing a good job and after this 2nd check clears, decide to send them more product. We are not aware of missing posters because in our conversations with Heritage, we are asked whether we want to sell these in Heritage's weekly auction. As our Star Wars sales are very good on ebay, we decline. We are told our posters are safely held as they are tagged and inventoried. 5. Several months later you are mad because they didn't tell you about the package you never told them was coming. Correction. After sending the 2nd batch, I call them to see when they are going to auction the new material we sent. Christ doesn't know what I am talking about promises to look into it. In our subsequent conversation, he states our posters have little value so they won't list them in the signature auction. To which, I ask, what about the Get Carter and Lennon poster knowing full well these two sold in the Feb. 2010 auction. 6. You argue about #2 and #5 for a while7. Heritage says they sent you back everything they have. 8. You say they didn't. Correction, see the following revised 6,7, 8 9. 6. We argue, I complain, Grey threatens me with a law suit for slander and libel. 7. It takes a couple of months to hire the right lawyer to protect us from slander and libel. I then air my grievances publicly. 8. Heritage offers to sell our future consignments without a commission, which we decline. Heritage then offers to donate the value of the Get Carter Lennon to charity, which we also decline. 9. Grey then sends back the inventory of ours he has -- and yes, that is when I get really mad. Upon opening the packages and seeing what was in it, I was furious. Of course, I immediately knew something was amiss because the shipping tubes were not the ones we had bought from Uline and shipped off our posters to Heritage in. In other words, our posters were unpacked and repacked. It was then I sat down and went through the Heritage file with a fine tooth comb. Am I raving mad right now? No, I'd say the work it takes to challenge a well-loved dealer whom most of you do business with regularly takes the uumph out of any anger. If anything, I am calmly rational now, knowing that we learned a good lesson which others can learn from also. From: Sean Linkenback s...@platinumposters.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi So to get the timeline correct: -Original Message- From: Geraldine Kudaka [mailto:gkud...@rocketmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 09:15 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi Rudy, this list is not just for dealers. There are a lot of people who lurk here who are interested in movie posters. They are not professional dealers in the business. Some may be non-poster business people interested in selling off collections acquired from either a lifetime of working in the industry, or inherited them from dad, who passed on. This is also a public list which non-subscribers go to for archived information on how to sell their posters.. As a noted movie poster expert, these uninformed sellers need to know that you will encourage them to send their collections post vite to Heritage. You will not tell them that they need to protect themselves by doing a photographic inventory and log of their posters before sending to Heritage. You will not warn them that Heritage's inventory process
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi
Rudy, this list is not just for dealers. There are a lot of people who lurk here who are interested in movie posters. They are not professional dealers in the business. Some may be non-poster business people interested in selling off collections acquired from either a lifetime of working in the industry, or inherited them from dad, who passed on. This is also a public list which non-subscribers go to for archived information on how to sell their posters.. As a noted movie poster expert, these uninformed sellers need to know that you will encourage them to send their collections post vite to Heritage. You will not tell them that they need to protect themselves by doing a photographic inventory and log of their posters before sending to Heritage. You will not warn them that Heritage's inventory process is suspect and their software probably some home-user Access-like database program. (Here, I'm referring to security differences between programs like Quicken and true business accounting software which do not allow you to change entries without leaving a trail.) You will not tell them that heritage will not return posters they do not sell. You will simply funnel them to Heritage -- for your commission. For this reason - among others - an esteemed seller on this list posted a wish that you were dead... Need I remind you I defended you? This was before I sat down and went though our Heritage file and discovered what was really going on. This was before I went online and found that Heritage has been accused by others for stealing items submitted for consignment. Last -- if you think you have spent a huge amount of time on this issue, get real. Suggesting we comply with Heritage's offer of selling without commission fees is certainly not an email that takes a lot of time to write. After Grey threatened us with legal action, wehave spent far more money on attorney's fees than you have... That's a hard financial cost on top of the value of posters sent to Heritage. While I appreciate your suggestion we go bankrupt sueing everybody involved, I will decline your advice. In the start, I said this list is not just for dealers. My emails are for the lurking public, now and in the future. From: rudy franchi r...@nostalgia.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 10:41 AM Subject: [MOPO] Reply To Geraldine It seems that I can't post to MOPO without Geraldine popping out like a cuckoo bird on a spring. This has gone beyond rational discussion. I've spent a huge amount of time on this problem and Grey has spent the equivalent of days in hour after hour of trying to reach a satisfactory conclusion. Perhaps Geraldine should just sue everyone involved. After she loses, she can appeal it all the way to the Supreme Court where it will go down in judicial history as When I've Got A Hammer vs. Everything's A Nail. Meanwhile, I will continue to occasionally post here and just put up with the tirades. On some of the stock market discussion boards I visit, one can put a particularly annoying person on ignore so that their posts won't show up in your message box. Would that we could do that here. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Star Wars, was Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters
The Star Wars posters are an exception because of the Star Wars fan base. We've found that unlike a lot of other movie posters, we've gotten good prices on ebay, but have not fared well at auction. An example is the Chaykin poster, which was produced before Star Wars was released and sold at fan conventions for $1.75. In our first 2010 Heritage auction, Heritage sold this poster for $850. We sold several of these posters on ebay for $2000. From: MICHAEL ARCHIBALD kap...@rogers.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters I read an article a few months basically saying the same thing. Posters from the 70s or 80s aren't comamanding high dollar amounts (exceptions Star Wars, Lucky Stripes, Dirty Harry) but they are maintaining/increasing in value. One of the things I think about now that I'm buying is - should I need to sell down the road - will there be a market? For example, take films like Boomerang! or Kiss of Death. Most (if not all) of my social circle have never heard of them. Everyone knows the big names like lawrence of Arabia or Butch Cassidy The Sundance Kid...but how many people aged 20-40 have seen Les Doulos, Ride the High Country, or even Laura? For that generation their movies will be Inception, Dark Knight, The Terminator, etc. Similary, I may know Modern Times, the General, or Only ANgels have Wings but often pass on films from the early days of Hollywood which are relevant to some of you long time collectors. Each generation will define its own nostalgia and their worth. Mike From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 7:04:20 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I completely disagree that 1980s posters are a huge waste of money. The best of the 1980s (along with the best of the 1970s on) are actually some of the HOTTEST posters there are! While many of the older posters from the early 20th century are lucky to sell for the same prices they sold for 20 years ago, many of the modern posters keep setting records. But what do I know? I only auction 110,000 movie posters a year. Bruce On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Toochis Morin fly...@pacbell.net wrote: Great article, Rudy! Do you think my original Fleischer GULLIVER'S TRAVELS animation cel is junk? I'd love to know. Cheers, Toochis From: rudy franchi r...@nostalgia.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Fri, June 1, 2012 12:24:34 AM Subject: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters I gave an interview to Business Insider on collectible trends and movie posters were covered: http://tinyurl.com/7q3p988 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 26 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
somewhere that it doesn't belong, at which point I was forced to apologize to that person who I thought screwed me. You did not do what was necessary to protect yourself, how can that be the fault of Heritage? Rich At 06:15 AM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Rudy, this list is not just for dealers. There are a lot of people who lurk here who are interested in movie posters. They are not professional dealers in the business. Some may be non-poster business people interested in selling off collections acquired from either a lifetime of working in the industry, or inherited them from dad, who passed on. This is also a public list which non-subscribers go to for archived information on how to sell their posters.. As a noted movie poster expert, these uninformed sellers need to know that you will encourage them to send their collections post vite to Heritage. You will not tell them that they need to protect themselves by doing a photographic inventory and log of their posters before sending to Heritage. You will not warn them that Heritage's inventory process is suspect and their software probably some home-user Access-like database program. (Here, I'm referring to security differences between programs like Quicken and true business accounting software which do not allow you to change entries without leaving a trail.) You will not tell them that heritage will not return posters they do not sell. You will simply funnel them to Heritage -- for your commission. For this reason - among others - an esteemed seller on this list posted a wish that you were dead... Need I remind you I defended you? This was before I sat down and went though our Heritage file and discovered what was really going on. This was before I went online and found that Heritage has been accused by others for stealing items submitted for consignment. Last -- if you think you have spent a huge amount of time on this issue, get real. Suggesting we comply with Heritage's offer of selling without commission fees is certainly not an email that takes a lot of time to write. After Grey threatened us with legal action, we have spent far more money on attorney's fees than you have... That's a hard financial cost on top of the value of posters sent to Heritage. While I appreciate your suggestion we go bankrupt sueing everybody involved, I will decline your advice. In the start, I said this list is not just for dealers. My emails are for the lurking public, now and in the future. From:rudy franchi r...@nostalgia.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 10:41 AM Subject: [MOPO] Reply To Geraldine It seems that I can't post to MOPO without Geraldine popping out like a cuckoo bird on a spring. This has gone beyond rational discussion. I've spent a huge amount of time on this problem and Grey has spent the equivalent of days in hour after hour of trying to reach a satisfactory conclusion. Perhaps Geraldine should just sue everyone involved. After she loses, she can appeal it all the way to the Supreme Court where it will go down in judicial history as When I've Got A Hammer vs. Everything's A Nail. Meanwhile, I will continue to occasionally post here and just put up with the tirades. On some of the stock market discussion boards I visit, one can put a particularly annoying person on ignore so that their posts won't show up in your message box. Would that we could do that here. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject
[MOPO] Open Question to Grey Smith / Heritage
On your website http://www.ha.com/c/ref/consignment-process.zxyou describe process of Security is Paramount in Dallas and Processing Your Consignment Is this true or merely a web marketing scheme? Security Is Paramount In Dallas Most auction consignments arrive at Heritage's Dallas office by either Federal Express or U.S. Registered Mail, where a bonded representative of our Shipping staff signs for them. Each package is delivered to the Auction receiving area and, specifically, to a member of the Processing staff. Once removed from their packages, your items are double-checked against your inventory to ensure that the consignment is complete, and then clearly tagged with a unique consignor number, identifying it as yours. If you haven't prepared an inventory, we will make one which is verified by a second staff member. All paperwork that accompanied your items to Dallas and all e-mails sent by your Consignment Director, are forwarded to Consignment Services, where complete copies of the documentation are made: one for your Consignment Director; one for our Cataloging Department; and one for your personal Consignor Folder. This folder serves as the central bank of information for your consignment, and Heritage staff members will refer to it at every stage of the consignment process. Your Consignor Folder also includes the completed Auction Agreement, as well as images of every item in your consignment. Processing Your Consignment After fully imaging your consigned items (both for security and for eventual use on the Internet), the Processing staff ensures that your items are sealed in our Auction vaults every evening, regardless of their current status in the consignment process. At this point, your Consignment Director may contact you if you wish to participate in strategy decisions for marketing your collection through our auctions, or perhaps to discuss one of our generous advances. The strengths of our Family of Auctions are weighed against one another to help us determine the proper auction venue for your collection. Our goal is the same as yours: to realize the highest prices realized on each and every item in your consignment. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi
1. Rudy suckers you into sending posters to Heritage Suckers? I wouldn't have used that word. He was eager to make some money off a commission. 2. Heritage gets the posters, send you an inventory list and you think stuff is missing Correction, Heritage lists only posters they are putting up for the next auction. We do not realize there is something wrong here. We ask Heritage about what is not on the list and are told Heritage has a secure inventory and tagging process. 3. Heritage sells posters that aren't on the inventory list, sends you a check for $11K for at least one of them, and then doesn't sell other items that are on the list. Correction, Heritage then sells another poster -- which we didn't know was or wasn't on an inventory. 4. You are so mad about the missing items you decide to pack up another box of posters to send to Heritage without telling them and without making an inventory Correction - We are happy with the sales and think Heritage earned their commission. We think they are doing a good job and after this 2nd check clears, decide to send them more product. We are not aware of missing posters because in our conversations with Heritage, we are asked whether we want to sell these in Heritage's weekly auction. As our Star Wars sales are very good on ebay, we decline. We are told our posters are safely held as they are tagged and inventoried. 5. Several months later you are mad because they didn't tell you about the package you never told them was coming. Correction. After sending the 2nd batch, I call them to see when they are going to auction the new material we sent. Christ doesn't know what I am talking about promises to look into it. In our subsequent conversation, he states our posters have little value so they won't list them in the signature auction. To which, I ask, what about the Get Carter and Lennon poster knowing full well these two sold in the Feb. 2010 auction. 6. You argue about #2 and #5 for a while7. Heritage says they sent you back everything they have. 8. You say they didn't. Correction, see the following revised 6,7, 8 9. 6. We argue, I complain, Grey threatens me with a law suit for slander and libel. 7. It takes a couple of months to hire the right lawyer to protect us from slander and libel. I then air my grievances publicly. 8. Heritage offers to sell our future consignments without a commission, which we decline. Heritage then offers to donate the value of the Get Carter Lennon to charity, which we also decline. 9. Grey then sends back the inventory of ours he has -- and yes, that is when I get really mad. Upon opening the packages and seeing what was in it, I was furious. Of course, I immediately knew something was amiss because the shipping tubes were not the ones we had bought from Uline and shipped off our posters to Heritage in. In other words, our posters were unpacked and repacked. It was then I sat down and went through the Heritage file with a fine tooth comb. Am I raving mad right now? No, I'd say the work it takes to challenge a well-loved dealer whom most of you do business with regularly takes the uumph out of any anger. If anything, I am calmly rational now, knowing that we learned a good lesson which others can learn from also. From: Sean Linkenback s...@platinumposters.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi So to get the timeline correct: -Original Message- From: Geraldine Kudaka [mailto:gkud...@rocketmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 09:15 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi Rudy, this list is not just for dealers. There are a lot of people who lurk here who are interested in movie posters. They are not professional dealers in the business. Some may be non-poster business people interested in selling off collections acquired from either a lifetime of working in the industry, or inherited them from dad, who passed on. This is also a public list which non-subscribers go to for archived information on how to sell their posters.. As a noted movie poster expert, these uninformed sellers need to know that you will encourage them to send their collections post vite to Heritage. You will not tell them that they need to protect themselves by doing a photographic inventory and log of their posters before sending to Heritage. You will not warn them that Heritage's inventory process is suspect and their software probably some home-user Access-like database program. (Here, I'm referring to security differences between programs like Quicken and true business accounting software which do not allow you to change entries without leaving a trail.) You will not tell them that heritage will not return posters they do not sell. You will simply funnel them to Heritage -- for your commission. For this reason - among
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
No, no, no Luke it always the hero From: Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Luke Skywalker? On Jun 4, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: But who killed John Kennedy? From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine the United States did land man on the Moon in 1969 anything else is a silly conspiracy theory Rich At 04:16 PM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Ahh... but here's the kicker I didn't add before Heritge claims they have sent back all our posters. On our consignment sheet from Feb 2010, there's unsold poster which wasn't returned this past month. Black and white, on Heritage paper, it states it wasn't sold. Now have you ever had Heritage claim they returned everything, yet you have PROOF not everything was returned. From: Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim fooul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best –  ˜Trust no one.â€� From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were to land me in a lawsuit attempting to claim some sort of duress, what portion of such duress is my own fault for not protecting myself?? I do remember the days when a handshake deal was a bond, but I have also felt the betrayal of a handshake deal not being honored, making me wish I had done what was necessary to protect myself before any issues arose. Not completing such an action is no one's fault but my own. So the question becomes, IF your claims are true, what
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
And they're known for the death penalty... From: Phillip W. Ayling mro...@earthlink.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory But who killed John Kennedy? Perhaps that was the first terrible sign that things go missing in Dallas - Original Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory But who killed John Kennedy? From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine the United States did land man on the Moon in 1969 anything else is a silly conspiracy theory Rich At 04:16 PM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Ahh... but here's the kicker I didn't add before Heritge claims they have sent back all our posters. On our consignment sheet from Feb 2010, there's unsold poster which wasn't returned this past month. Black and white, on Heritage paper, it states it wasn't sold. Now have you ever had Heritage claim they returned everything, yet you have PROOF not everything was returned. From: Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim fooul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best –  ˜Trust no one.â€� From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were
Re: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters
I am not sure what month the Clockwork Orange poster went up for sale. All I know is that we have a consignor sales slip and those dates are on Heritage's paperwork. I will repeat what I have said before -- we are not in the movie poster buying / selling business. We do not look at Heritage sales catalogues -- though Paul Miller from starwarsmoveposter.com did email me with a link to Heritage's Deko poster and I can't help but wonder whether this poster is ours, I won't be following the auction -- Nor do we check up on poster prices on ebay or other auctions. For us, movie posters are not a hobby or business but remnants of a life. We are retired from the movie business and have a room filled with posters, press books, scripts and other movie memorabilia, including original storyboards and artwork for Star Wars, Judge Dredd and Alien. We had merchandising prototypes for Star Wars, which we successfully sold on ebay, but it was a tremendous amount of work and effort. I could work full-time for 10 years straight selling off the collection, and it still would not be gone. (But that's not what I want to do with the remainder of my life... My time... ) We are not alone. There are others like us who retired with large collections. Most of us don't have the time or inclination to join MOPO and find out what is happening in the poster world. We don't look at a poster as it's value is X, Y or Z, or it could be sold for such and such. We think about the grandkids... or about golfing... vacationing... clearing the driveway of snow... or, in my case, selling the Star Wars prototypes and building a house for a sick relative...We don't think about the price of posters... I think of it as banking... I put my money in a bank and its suppose to be safe.I send my collectibles to a legitimate auction house... If I have to worry about my money in the bank, my money's in the wrong place. If I have to worry about the auction house ripping us off, we shouldn't be doing business with them. So I apologize for not keeping track of when the auction was, but I do expect bonded professionals to act like professionals. From: Richard C Evans evan...@mac.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters Likewise here. Particularly confused about the Clockwork Orange poster. At the value stated it was presumably the David Pelham style, and I thought what Geraldine was saying was that though it wasn't listed in the inventory by Heritage it was put in the October 2010 auction. But I don't believe that style Clockwork Orange or anything for that title of that kind of value appeared at Heritage in October 2010 Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jun 2012, at 18:32, Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com wrote: I am unclear about something. Is this an ongoing legal matter, or has it come to a resolution? Is the crux of the matter that you sent items without receiving an inventory list of what was sent and now they dispute that you ever sent some number of the items. There are just so many details in the below that I have difficulty distilling it down to its essence. Thanks. Bruce On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: Based on your recommendation and reputation, we sent a batch of 30-40+ posters to Heritage. They sent back an inventory which was a partial list including 10 posters of the 30-40+ posters we shipped. We called Grey and he said these were the posters they were going to put up for their March 2010 signature auction, but that the posters which weren't going up be listed in their print auction would be safe in their vault. A contract was sent for these 10 posters. The balance was not sent in an inventory to us. We had gotten in touch with Paul Miller of http://www.starwarsmovieposter.com/ . Paul is the expert on SW posters. He identified a batch of posters we had as the Deko posters. Of the 30-40+ posters we had sent to heritage, we had included 3 sections of the Deko 17 section posters. for his help in identifying and organizing our SW posters, we had promised to give Paul 1 of our 2 sets of mint, uncirculated Deko posters. Of course,we didn't have 2 full sets as we had mistakenly sent 3 of a set to Heritage. I called Heritage to inquire about getting back our posters. Heritage pitched us on auction in their weekly the remaining balance of uninventoried posters. You, Rudy, got involved and tried to convince us the weekly posters would net us enough that we should just go with Heritage. In the midst of this conversation, we also found out a poster we had sent to Heritage -- which was not on the signed inventory consignment contact -- was valuable -- a 1971 Clockwork Orange. We contacted Heritage and was told the inventoried contract only included posters which would
Re: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters
No, the issue is that the items shipped to Heritage in 2010 which were not sold in were never returned, and Heritage claims they don't have them because they're not on the inventory list. Ditto for the items sent in the 2nd batch, which included Get Carter, Lennon other posters. We are missing multiple posters, including 3 sections of the Deko poster Heritage thumbs their nose up at us and says, Prove it... Issue is that you on MOPO may be treated professional and if the deal is not made, get your stuff back regardless of whether Heritage inventoried them for auction or not. For us -- and I bet for a lot of other newbie, non-dealers -- that is not the case. Look at it hypothetically -- if you receive a batch of posters, but only have to pay for posters you decide to list on an inventory you have created -- isn't that a great way of acquiring product to sell? The Clockwork Orange wasn't on the list Doesn't it make you wonder what other posters Heritage chose not to list? And isn't it great if you can take the position of saying to your consignors -- prove it. Prove that you sent us these posters and they were really of that value. For the consignors, it means what? Having photographic proof of what you sent, plus shipping... Then who is to say what was actually in the shipping carton? How does the average non-collector prove they put such and such poster in a box and shipped it. A shipping label? A shipping label proves a package was shipped, not the contents of the box. To alleviate consumer worry and prove their honesty, Heritage proclaims that they have a bonded staff person who receives the items, and two bonded staff people who check and inventory contents. The contents are then safely held in an insured warehouse -- which, in our case, per Grey, was his office. If Heritage's system worked, we wouldn't be screaming and wasting our time trying to get back our posters. If Heritage system worked, I wouldn't have had to ask multiple times for our posters back, and received a fraction of what we sent. I wouldn't have had to email Grey 6 times asking is he had returned all our posters -- to which he replied Yes. This leaves us where? In a position of having to prove we sent posters which were not included on Heritage's inventory list. We hired a lawyer to find out who at Heritage was the bonded representative who received and inventoried our poster. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters I am unclear about something. Is this an ongoing legal matter, or has it come to a resolution? Is the crux of the matter that you sent items without receiving an inventory list of what was sent and now they dispute that you ever sent some number of the items. There are just so many details in the below that I have difficulty distilling it down to its essence. Thanks. Bruce On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: Based on your recommendation and reputation, we sent a batch of 30-40+ posters to Heritage. They sent back an inventory which was a partial list including 10 posters of the 30-40+ posters we shipped. We called Grey and he said these were the posters they were going to put up for their March 2010 signature auction, but that the posters which weren't going up be listed in their print auction would be safe in their vault. A contract was sent for these 10 posters. The balance was not sent in an inventory to us. We had gotten in touch with Paul Miller of http://www.starwarsmovieposter.com/ . Paul is the expert on SW posters. He identified a batch of posters we had as the Deko posters. Of the 30-40+ posters we had sent to heritage, we had included 3 sections of the Deko 17 section posters. for his help in identifying and organizing our SW posters, we had promised to give Paul 1 of our 2 sets of mint, uncirculated Deko posters. Of course,we didn't have 2 full sets as we had mistakenly sent 3 of a set to Heritage. I called Heritage to inquire about getting back our posters. Heritage pitched us on auction in their weekly the remaining balance of uninventoried posters. You, Rudy, got involved and tried to convince us the weekly posters would net us enough that we should just go with Heritage. In the midst of this conversation, we also found out a poster we had sent to Heritage -- which was not on the signed inventory consignment contact -- was valuable -- a 1971 Clockwork Orange. We contacted Heritage and was told the inventoried contract only included posters which would be listed in the March 2010 auction. Being the naive, trusting souls we are, we waited. After the Oct 2010 signature auction of Clockwork, we received a check for $11,050 as you and Heritage received $1,950 commission on the sale
Re: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters
Regarding Heritage's inventory, please see my prior post. Regarding contracts and ways of doing business: 1. Please note that we are not in the business of buying and selling movie posters. We are retired from the movie business and have posters from the years of being in the business. 2. The movie business is so small that back then, before the MBA's took over, it was a handshake and verbal agreement. The Star Wars deal for the Kenner toys was made verbally, and the contracts were typed in carbon. If you go to Cannes today, a lot of distribution deals are made verbally between people who trust each other. The paperwork doesn't get hammered out until everyone is aback at the office. 3. Living in New Hampshire today, a lot of deals are still made verbally or with a handshake. Fifteen years ago, when we lived in Los Angeles, we knew people who had legal contracts with their nanny's and gardeners, but there are lots of places throughout the United States where John Deere and an honest handshake still reigns.. Regarding the value of the posters -- we are not in the poster business and did not want to spend a lot of time educating ourselves on their value or the best way of selling them. Despite that, we are probably better informed than a lot of people who consigned to Heritage -- especially seniors. When I researched our items disappearing at Heritage, I googled and found we are not alone. If you read my original post to Rudy, you will see that Rudy solicited us to consign posters to Heritage, and we consigned with Heritage solely based on the professional esteem Charley had of Rudy. We did not do a cold submission. We had contacted Rudy trying to identify some posters we had, and he was the one who pitched us on submitting to Heritage. He called back several times to make sure we had indeed sent a shipment. Regarding time line, Grey Smith took weeks to reply to my query about whether he had sent everything back to us. I had to send him multiple emails to get him to even reply claiming he had returned all our submissions. While I can understand you wanting to lay the blame on our unprofessional behavior, let me remind you that we are not in the movie poster buying/selling business. We have a collection because we were in the movie business, and like a lot of people -- including our friends and colleagues who also retired from the industry -- we were simply looking for a way to liquidate the collection. From: Sean Linkenback s...@platinumposters.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters I am with you Bruce. Are they mad because they received a $10K+ check from Heritage for a poster that Heritage didn't even initially inventory? (There is no October 2010 Signature sale, so I am guessing maybe she means the July 2010 sale of Clockwork Orange.) Why did you send Heritage more posters if you believed they weren't giving a full accounting of your first shipment? Why did you wait several months after sending the second batch to see if Heritage even got them? Did you send these unsolicited? I can't imagine a scenario where I would send several thousand dollars worth of material to someone a second time if I was not pleased with how they were handling the first shipment and then wait several months before contacting them about the second. This latest message raises a lot more questions on your part than it does on Heritage. Sean -Original Message- From: Bruce Hershenson [mailto:brucehershen...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 01:32 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters I am unclear about something. Is this an ongoing legal matter, or has it come to a resolution? Is the crux of the matter that you sent items without receiving an inventory list of what was sent and now they dispute that you ever sent some number of the items. There are just so many details in the below that I have difficulty distilling it down to its essence. Thanks. Bruce On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: Based on your recommendation and reputation, we sent a batch of 30-40+ posters to Heritage. They sent back an inventory which was a partial list including 10 posters of the 30-40+ posters we shipped. We called Grey and he said these were the posters they were going to put up for their March 2010 signature auction, but that the posters which weren't going up be listed in their print auction would be safe in their vault. A contract was sent for these 10 posters. The balance was not sent in an inventory to us. We had gotten in touch with Paul Miller of http://www.starwarsmovieposter.com/ . Paul is the expert on SW posters. He identified a batch of posters we had as the Deko posters
Re: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters
Thank you, Sean, I had meant to post to whole group... We sent the 2nd shipment shortly after receiving a check for Clockwork Orange. As Grey had told Charley that it takes them quite a while to schedule their auctions, we waited to hear from them. I think it was like 2-3 months before I emailed. Didn't hear back. another email... then finally called them. Chris told me the posters we sent had no value, to which I replied, what about the Lennon and Get Carter. Off the top of my head, I knew they were of value because they had been on the first batch Signature sales slip. He said, Oh, I'll have to get back to you. Didn't hear back from them. Emails. Grey then called Charley and asked him to email an inventory, and Charley emailed him a list he had made up... Months go by. I emailed. No reply. More emails, no reply. Finally wrote a nastier email and got a reply, basically saying they didn't have the Get Carter and Lennon... Mind you these weren't the only posters in the 2nd batch of 30-40+ items, including a serigraphed 40x60 opening day poster stock for Serpico. We included 2 vintage rock posters also because Heritage has their rock section, but off the top of my head, I immediately said Get Carter and Lennon because they were posters which had sold at a Signature auction.. After Bruce posted a news article on a UK auction houses cheating their consigners, I replied with a posting that an auction house had lost some of our posters. Grey sent an email threatening legal action. We consulted and paid for legal advice on our liability for slander and libel. Safe, I make another posting on MOPO a few months later re: the missing posters. Grey emails an offer to handle future consignments without a commission fee. Rudy also emails us saying this is a good deal, we should continue consigning as the fees can add up. We refuse. Grey then offers to donate the value of Get Carter and Lennon to charity. We refuse. This past month, he finally ships our posters back. It took a lot of emails before Grey categorically stated the posters he shipped were our total inventory at Heritage. Our problem is that the returned posters do not represent our total inventory. Now if we had agreed to consign further, we certainly could be accused of being a no-brainer. Yes, we would certainly be ready for the nursing home. From: s...@platinumposters.com s...@platinumposters.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters Thank you for your reply Geraldine (though not sure if you meant it as a private message to me, or if you would like the whole group to see it). My concern is not with your initial submission, which i understand Rudy helped you decide to send them to Heritage. My question was about your second shipment. You were already having problems with them at that point, so why in the world would you send them a second shipment, and then wait several months to even ask if they got it? Best, Sean -Original Message- From: Geraldine Kudaka [mailto:gkud...@rocketmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 07:32 PM To: s...@platinumposters.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters Regarding Heritage's inventory, please see my prior post. Regarding contracts and ways of doing business: 1. Please note that we are not in the business of buying and selling movie posters. We are retired from the movie business and have posters from the years of being in the business. 2. The movie business is so small that back then, before the MBA's took over, it was a handshake and verbal agreement. The Star Wars deal for the Kenner toys was made verbally, and the contracts were typed in carbon. If you go to Cannes today, a lot of distribution deals are made verbally between people who trust each other. The paperwork doesn't get hammered out until everyone is aback at the office. 3. Living in New Hampshire today, a lot of deals are still made verbally or with a handshake. Fifteen years ago, when we lived in Los Angeles, we knew people who had legal contracts with their nanny's and gardeners, but there are lots of places throughout the United States where John Deere and an honest handshake still reigns.. Regarding the value of the posters -- we are not in the poster business and did not want to spend a lot of time educating ourselves on their value or the best way of selling them. Despite that, we are probably better informed than a lot of people who consigned to Heritage -- especially seniors. When I researched our items disappearing at Heritage, I googled and found we are not alone. If you read my original post to Rudy, you will see that Rudy solicited us to consign posters to Heritage, and we consigned with Heritage solely based on the professional esteem Charley had of Rudy. We did
Re: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters
Based on your recommendation and reputation, we sent a batch of 30-40+ posters to Heritage. They sent back an inventory which was a partial list including 10 posters of the 30-40+ posters we shipped. We called Grey and he said these were the posters they were going to put up for their March 2010 signature auction, but that the posters which weren't going up be listed in their print auction would be safe in their vault. A contract was sent for these 10 posters. The balance was not sent in an inventory to us. We had gotten in touch with Paul Miller of http://www.starwarsmovieposter.com/ . Paul is the expert on SW posters. He identified a batch of posters we had as the Deko posters. Of the 30-40+ posters we had sent to heritage, we had included 3 sections of the Deko 17 section posters. for his help in identifying and organizing our SW posters, we had promised to give Paul 1 of our 2 sets of mint, uncirculated Deko posters. Of course,we didn't have 2 full sets as we had mistakenly sent 3 of a set to Heritage. I called Heritage to inquire about getting back our posters. Heritage pitched us on auction in their weekly the remaining balance of uninventoried posters. You, Rudy, got involved and tried to convince us the weekly posters would net us enough that we should just go with Heritage. In the midst of this conversation, we also found out a poster we had sent to Heritage -- which was not on the signed inventory consignment contact -- was valuable -- a 1971 Clockwork Orange. We contacted Heritage and was told the inventoried contract only included posters which would be listed in the March 2010 auction. Being the naive, trusting souls we are, we waited. After the Oct 2010 signature auction of Clockwork, we received a check for $11,050 as you and Heritage received $1,950 commission on the sale. This Clockwork Orange poster was never included in the Feb 2010 inventory -- just like the Deko posters and 30 other posters. There is not signed contract we have with Heritage for consigning of selling this poster as Heritage never inventoried it or as far as we known, its never been inventoried, nor have we signed a consignor agreement for the $13,000 poster. Nevertheless, pleased at the sale and believing our unsold lots were safe, we sent another 30-40+ posters, including a 2nd John Lennon Get Carter. Charley and I packed them together. It took the two of us to roll them and secure them into a shipping tube. Charley then mailed then. At 72, Charley is not the same man as he was when he contracted with Kenner to produce Star Wars toys. He's older, and like a lot of us, has more problems doing things which came easily to him when he was in his 20-30's. He has memory issues, and it takes him longer to type. Several months after shipping the second batch, I emailed Heritage. To make a long story short, they claim that the only posters they received were 24 posters they received in an inventory they had gotten from Charley -- which does not include the Lennon Get Carter posters.. After publicly denoucing Heritage, Grey offered to sell our posters without a commission. You contacted us and said this was a good deal, we should go with it. We refused. Grey sent a batch of posters back. It took a lot of emails but Grey then stated he had returned all of our posters to us. All? Based on an inventory procedure which did not include Clockwork Orange and the Deko posters? From: rudy franchi r...@nostalgia.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 1:08 AM Subject: [MOPO] Article On Busted Collectibles Mention Movie Posters I gave an interview to Business Insider on collectible trends and movie posters were covered: http://tinyurl.com/7q3p988 Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Missing posters
I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Over the years a ton of people have contacted us that one or more items were missing from their package (so many that we have a stock reply telling them to carefully check EVERYTHING again). Time after time people contact us all embarrassed to say they found it. I can only recall a couple of times over a 20 year period where people were adamant the missing items weren't there, and I refunded them. 99.9% of poster collectors are among the most honest people on earth. That ,1%... well...! Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Totally Unrelated To Missing Posters. Rita Hayworth STAYING ALIVE
Gawddd!!! That was fabulous. Thanks for sharing From: David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Totally Unrelated To Missing Posters. Rita Hayworth STAYING ALIVE Fabulous! This is super and I plan to share on my FB wall. Thanks! -d. Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:13:00 -0400 From: lobb...@rogers.com Subject: Re: Totally Unrelated To Missing Posters. Rita Hayworth STAYING ALIVE To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU FANTASTIC!! Loved it!! -Original Message- From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Freeman Fisher Sent: May 23, 2012 11:54 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Totally Unrelated To Missing Posters. Rita Hayworth STAYING ALIVE This is great fun, the synching to the music almost all the way through is amazing. Plus, Rita has been very good to all of us here. She will forever remain top drawer for me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz3CPzdCDws Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Missing posters
Now Neil, I had to laugh at this... Personally, I think it's a healthy attitude to have and wish I'd had more of that attitude when we started liquidating the collection. But it's not good for a hobby to be viewed that way. Not for a hobby to grow. From: Neil Maciejewski neilmaciejew...@yahoo.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters You're all crooks! From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Over the years a ton of people have contacted us that one or more items were missing from their package (so many that we have a stock reply telling them to carefully check EVERYTHING again). Time after time people contact us all embarrassed to say they found it. I can only recall a couple of times over a 20 year period where people were adamant the missing items weren't there, and I refunded them. 99.9% of poster collectors are among the most honest people on earth. That ,1%... well...! Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Missing posters
You may not need to read emails about someone you view as a colleague, whom you like... but there are other people in the hobby and other people who have been enamored of movies but haven't had enough money to get into the hobby who do need to hear it. I say this for a very specific reason -- you probably have a relationship with Heritage and Grey because they are -- let's face it -- so large. You've probably bought and sold posters from him. You may feel that though you may have had differences, over the years, you've worked them out and have developed a professional respect for one another. You know that you can contact Grey and X, Y or Z will happen because there is professional respect -- or at least, a professional relationship. (I'm giving everyone the benefit of the doubt and assume Grey respects you, but let's face it -- in business, there are some you respect and others you tolerate). Still, because you are in the business and not a newbie or a fly-by-night, Grey and Heritage have responded to you in a professional manner. This was not true in my case. Our posters were not properly inventoried, and I can prove it. I can and will prove it. I mean -- I couldn't even get an email reply saying this was all the posters we had of yours. After our posters went missing, I started looking into complaints against Heritage. Given the sales numbers that Heritage does, the complaints admittedly are small in numbers. What I noticed was that the majority seemed to be from the weak -- seniors like ourselves, or, in another case, a guy with Parkinson's. The complaints weren't from their professional colleagues but average Joes who felt taken. You're saying it doesn't matter to you -- which is fine -- but there are others to whom it would matter. Others who will come to this list looking for a way to sell their parent's collection. These average Joes and Janes won't be in the industry. They'll be the fly-by-nights. They will be the one shot consignment who will contact an expert and be funneled into an auction house, not knowing what posters they have or their true value. They won't know how to photograph their posters to document what they have, nor will they even now what a one sheet is. My emails and posts are for these folks who -- through the power of the internet -- will come here looking for what to do with their posters.. From: peter contarino pcontar...@triad.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Agreed. Inappropriate.. Peter From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of James Gresham Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:58 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Missing posters Helmut, I agree completely. I am sure there are two sides to every story and we dont need to hear additional details. Besides, I am way more apt to trust Grey. No way they are going to keep someones posters. No offense to you Geraldine, but Heritage is not keeping your posters. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Helmut Hamm texasmu...@web.de wrote: Geraldine, since you're already employing an attorney, why don't you let him handle the conversation regarding this matter? As far as I'm concerned, this is between you and Heritage (or between your attorney and Heritage at this point) and I do not need any more of this on Mopo. Helmut Hamm http://www.filmposter.net On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: I am glad to see Robert Rogovin and James Greshin found their missing posters. I wish I could say the same. After posting here (March 31 Apr 3, 2012) that Charlie Lippincott and I were missing posters from Heritage, Grey offered to handle our auctions without a commission. No longer thrilled with our relationship with Heritage, we refused. Next, Grey Smith offered to donate their estimated value to charity -- which we also refused. Grey then sent back a batch of posters. Upon receipt, I emailed asking if these posters returned were all the posters held by Heritge. No reply. On May 7 our attorney sent Grey Smith and Heritage a letter requesting the names of the bonded staff member who had received our poster shipments and the names of both staff members who double checked the inventory. I repeated my emails to Grey requesting to know whether he had shipped back everything we had sent to heritage. No reply. Finally, on May 8, I sent an email with the heading 5TH REQUEST. Grey Smith replied the next day, but did not affirm the return represented ALL our inventory. It took two more emails before he said everything had been returned. As of May 18, Grey Smith claims they have not received a letter from our attorney. From:Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent
[MOPO] The One That Got Away
Of all the movie posters I've had in my life, the ones I miss the most are some Japanese fabric banners used to line buildings and streets advertising a film. I got these in the early 70's. 3 were of no-name B movies, but the 4th was for Akira Kurasawa's Dodeskaden It wasn't their value so much as they were great looking rectangular flags -- I think they were 2'x6', maybe longer. What poster do you regret not having anymore? Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Movie Posters At Cannes
Rudy, when Charley Lippincott and I talked to you in Jan. 2010, you advised us to submit Charley's posters for auctioning at Heritage. Your words were that there was no need to even put together an inventory as heritage would do that for us. You assured us that our posters would be safe with Heritage, that though there had been scandals within the poster world, you had done business with Heritage and they were very honest and reputable. We sent Heritage advance posters from Cannes which were never inventoried or returned. Did you have any part in our posters never getting inventoried at Heritage? Geraldine Charley Lippincott From: rudy franchi r...@nostalgia.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 3:45 PM Subject: [MOPO] Movie Posters At Cannes Never mind the horrible movieswhat about the really horrible posters.. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Potential Conflict of Interest? Is Gavel-Snipe owned by Heritage?
Despite the collecting business being mostly owned by Mom Pops or small, independent dealers, I don't see why in the world it would come as a shock that a few of the larger megasharks would see the market as anything other than a feeding trough. It stands to reason a large corporation would look at the market and try to find every avenue possible to make a buck. The participation of these corporate entities (be it Sotheby's or Heritage) in manipulating auctions, or even maintaining a friendly face in users groups like this -- is just good business practice. Why in the world wold an MBA look at the $$$ generated from poster auctions any different than a GM dealership? Why in the world would this same MBA not see the profit potential in feeder strings from poster auctions? The money you pay or receive for movie memorabilia is no different than the money made by a used car dealer... Just a bit more glamorous. This is all to say that Heritage owning Gavelsnipe is the same as the small ebay dealer using auctiva. It gives Heritage one more edge to keep their profits up... which the Mom Pops don't have. On a corporate level, you can bet your booty that there is information sharing... after all, what else is the purpose of owning feeder string businesses? From: Simon Oram fab5fre...@btinternet.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Potential Conflict of Interest? Is Gavel-Snipe owned by Heritage? Well put it this way, I won’t be registering with Gavelsnipe , can’t see myself taking part in MoviePosterExchange either after hearing this news. I wonder why they didn’t use an independent snipe program? Why align themselves with a snipe program owned by Heritage? Transparency is the key here and lack of it I feel will be damaging. Thanks David for this interesting news. Simon From: David Kusumoto Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:13 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Potential Conflict of Interest? Is Gavel-Snipe owned by Heritage? * With the impending launch of Peter Contarino's, Sean Linkenback's and Ken Schacter's auctions (vs. fixed price sales which are there now), I've been visiting their MoviePosterExchange.com site. It's easy to navigate and very user-friendly. (BTW, where in the heck did the highly-touted $850,000 Metropolis 3-sheet go? I can't find it! Did it sell?) At any rate, while visiting the site's FAQs, I read that it has partnered with GavelSnipe, the sniping program service, which will be available to bidders for timed auctions. That's good news. * But what's interesting - and this has nothing to do with MoviePosterExchange.com - is GavelSnipe appears to be owned by Heritage. If I'm wrong, please correct me - and a thousand apologies if I am. I'm less concerned about potential abuses like shilling and what not with Heritage's auctions - than I am about transparency. GavelSnipe's murky origins are troubling. I couldn't find much info about who owns or runs it. This is NOT a criticism of Grey - who I consider a pal. The issue of GavelSnipe's ownership - if indeed Heritage is its owner - is out of his hands. It's bigger than him because it's available to bidders in Heritage's other departments. * If true, this is NOT like PayPal being owned by eBay. It's more like GavelSnipe being owned by Sotheby's or Christie's, e.g., a conflict of interest where potential abuses could occur - despite assurances that a sniping subsidiary of Sotheby's or Christie's - can operate independently - with an iron-clad ability to preserve the confidentiality of all scheduled snipe bids submitted online. Do you trust this, given what you've read in the news about Sotheby's, Christie's, price fixing, Wall Street buddies in bed with politicians trading stocks with confidential info, etc.? * By using ANY sniping program, you are imparting the same trust you already give to auction sites when submitting absentee bids for live showroom sales. The difference is you can't be run-up while using a sniping program, or so you think, because your bids are placed in the last few seconds of a timed sale. But what if the wall protecting sniped bids is breached by another department in the SAME building? Here's what I know: GavelSnipe is based in Dallas and uses SSL encryption (so that) your passwords are secured and not VIEWABLE by GavelSnipe personnel. I have no reason to distrust this. But what about actual snipe bid amounts before a sale closes? In the effort to make sniping available for clients like myself who've clamored for it - I hope Heritage hasn't errantly opened a can of worms by OWNING GavelSnipe - instead of PARTNERING with an independently-run third party company - such as JustSnipe or others like it. * Before most of you scoff and dismiss what I'm saying as manufactured paranoia or
Re: [MOPO] We left eBay on 4/17/08, exactly 4 years ago today!
Congrats Bruce. Over the years, you have built a great business. I don't think it's possible for many other dealers to accomplish what you've done. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 7:42 AM Subject: [MOPO] We left eBay on 4/17/08, exactly 4 years ago today! Since 1989, I, Bruce Hershenson, organized 18 major movie poster auctions (10 for Christie's auction house, 3 for Howard Lowery auction house, and 5 mega-auctions held on eBay in 2001-2004) with total sales of over 10 million dollars! Between 1989 and 1999 I sold over 30,000 vintage movie posters and lobby cards through sales catalogs with sales of over 4 million dollars. In 2000, after some trial sales in late 1999, I opened eMoviePoster.com on eBay, which over the next 8 years sold over 17 million dollars on that site, in over 330,000 transactions. But by 2008 I was completely fed up with eBay! I could see that they were treating all small sellers terribly, endlessly raising fees and micro-managing every aspect of the auctions. Since I was auctioning over two million dollars a year there, and I was getting treated no better than any tiny seller, I correctly surmised that their master plan was to change eBay into a clearing house for a few hundred mega-sellers, and to slowly eliminate ALL the small sellers, so that they could fire a huge percentage of their employees and simply host the auctions for those mega-sellers, and perhaps make more money than ever. So in early 2008 I announced that after over 300,000 eBay auctions I would be leaving there forever, and I gave the above reasons. Quite a few sellers there told me I was right, but a much larger group told me I was completely wrong (I am sad to report that many of my predictions proved to be squarely on the mark and a lot of those sellers who remained in 2008 have long since left eBay themselves. I contracted with an auction host to hold my own auctions on my own site, which had been running for many years. But I planned keeping some eBay auctions running while I made the transition. Our first auction on our own site Ended Thursday, Apr 17th, 2008. It was a special charity auction (for the benefit of a sick child) and it contained just 19 signed items. When that auction went completely smoothly, we knew we had a winner and we first switched our Thursday weekly auctions to our own site, to give us a chance to find and identify any problems. Once we felt certain everything was perfect, we moved our Tuesday auctions as well, and our very last set of eBay auctions Ended Tuesday, Jun 3rd, 2008(it contained 559 rolled non-U.S. posters). It is hard to believe how far we have come since then! As of this writing, we've auctioned 357,401 items on our own site (if you are reading this on Sunday the 15th after 4 PM, then it is 357,855 total items auctioned!), which means we have now auctioned 52% of every single item we've ever sold through our auctions on our own website. That means we've auctioned more movie posters on eMoviePoster.com than on eBay, through sales lists, with Christie's, and with Howard Lowery COMBINED! And in 2004 to 2007 we averaged sales of $2,550,000 per year (and never auctioned three million dollars worth in any year, but in 2008 to 2011 we averaged sales of $3,325,000 per year (and auctioned three million dollars worth in EVERY one of those years)! Obviously being tied to eBay was greatly holding us back! -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 24 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 07:29:40 -0700 From: gkud...@rocketmail.com Subject: Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU - Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Very interesting. I'll have to google your name to see what this David vs. Goliath case against Sotheby's was. I had intended to post to the whole group initially and did not realize I had merely replied to Bruce. But the time gap was accidentally fortuitous. Between my initial response to Bruce privately and my group posting, I retained legal counsel. The cost of consigning my posters with Heritage has gone up. - Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Thank you David. I had not intended this issue to become a newsworthy story on par with the tylenol poisonings or The Komen/Planned Parenthood issue. I would find it amusing if it did... it would indicate not much is going on in the world... really, little conflicts within niche groups do not make it to to the big screen. Rather than an attack on Heritage, my intention is to warn newbie sellers not to be tempted by the big $$$ signs some auction houses offer. If the cost to collect your money ends up being a lot of hassle, or having to prove you did send in X,Y Z, is it really worth it? If you sell, as the sellers at the West Berkshire auction did, can you collect your money? Fom: David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid * That's true. If Geraldine posts again, we'll know more. But even if we presume her e-mail program has a predictive text function - there's a big jump between the B in Bruce and the M in MoPo List. Her note to the group seems - on the surface at least - intentional to me. One other thing I forgot to mention. Having once worked at a Fortune 500 company, I know the following as FACTS. Big corporations are rarely fearful of litigation. That's what their lawyers are for. One strategy is to drain a plaintiff's or a defendant's pool of funds covering legal fees. And once the lawyers are involved, they almost ALWAYS counsel NO response to further public attacks, e.g., putting up a stone wall of silence to preserve their positions in potential litigation. * However, these same corporations are almost ALWAYS WAY MORE FEARFUL of bad press. They can't control the press - and the bad stories ultimately reaches stakeholders/customers whose reactions - can have an adverse effect on a corporation's revenues and industry reputation. Public opinion, not fear of lawsuits, are responsible for the 180s we see in the most prominent case histories, e.g., Bank of America and the Komen Foundation. BTW, this is the way environmental groups, for example, operate. Lacking budgetary resources to fight lawsuits, they are very creative in their efforts to garner media attention, feeding into the conflict-driven agendas of newsrooms. When I was a reporter, I was always told to test the demonstrators by seeing if they marched and shouted ONLY when the media was present. If they stopped when the cameras left, it was a stunt. I was told to report the demonstration - but to report it accurately as being staged for media consumption. PETA operates on a similar principle, but its over-the-top actions, while GUARANTEEING coverage, results in an extremely divided view of that group's reputation. Heritage is a large company that has been down the road of adverse (and positive) press before. The risk is losing control of a dispute whereby third parties (the media) - can sway public opinion in an adverse way that disrupts operations. * When I took on FedEx and Sotheby's during the 1990s, it was the controlled, managed use of potentially adverse press relations that resulted in resolving my disputes with them. The lawyers came out with their knives intending to bleed my bank accounts dry. But knowing how to spin David vs. Goliath stories in a way that reflects a trend of errors affecting others like me - spreads the number of potential victims out so that my woes served as a poster child or a proxy - or a tip of the iceberg illustration - of greater problems impacting consumers. This forces the responsibility out of the hands of lawyers and goes all the way up the executive ladder. For most big companies facing potentially bad press, it isn't worth battling in public if small change is involved. If they're smart, they settle quietly and the problem goes away quickly. But once it hits the press, it's impossible to reel
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- Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: Richard Evans evan...@mac.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Yes, but Charley doesn't want split up VanHammersfeld collections. When we were in LA several yeas ago, and saw John, we discussed the disposition question as we're all getting older. .Though was finding the right kind of museum to donate his work to. From: Richard Evans evan...@mac.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Hi Geraldine, Sorry to hear about your trouble with Heritage. Wonder whether you have any of John Van Hamersveld's work for The Rolling Stones' Exile On Main Street you want to sell? Cheers, Richard Sent from my iPad On 6 Apr 2012, at 04:10, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: - Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Your favorite auction house, Bruce -- Heritage. My husband, Charley, was a Hollywood executive. When we first did a Heritage consignment through Rudy Franchi, everything went fine. So fine, we sent a 2nd batch using my UPS account return label which had my name on it. I use my maiden name, so I guess Heritage thought it was a cold submission from nobody. Thought we'd hear from them -- nada. We are pretty busy here and knew from our first consignment that Heritage plans their auction schedule months in advance. When I finally called Heritage to see when the posters were going to be auctioned. Carter told they had received the posters, and wanted to know if we wanted to put them in the weekly auction as there was nothing of value in the lot. I said, What? What about the Get Carter and Lennon posters? Or the Fillmore posters? Heritage claimed they had not received these posters in the lot we sent. I had mentioned this event on this newsgroup before. You responded with a derogatory comment about Rudy, then Grey threatened us with lawyers and I posted a comment here batting for Rudy. At that time this was going on, I did not want to deal with Heritage because we were building a house and had a high weekly payroll to meet. The headache of dealing with this Heritage problem was small potatoes compared to being the General Contractor on a house. After Grey threatened me with lawyers and I batted for Rudy, Rudy contacted me. He had spoken with Grey and the upshot was we were offered a deal for future submissions.. That was months ago. I've come to the conclusion I don't want to do future business with Heritage. It's one thing to have a consignment set up by Rudy for my husband, Charley Lippincott, who had hired John Van Hammersveld to do the Get Carter poster and has the largest, most complete collection of John's work -- even more than John -- and another thing when little wifey using her UPS business account sends the 2nd consignment batch. As nobody me, if posters disappeared from my lot, who is to say that this doesn't happen to other people? On principle, I don't want to do business with Heritage. Life is too short, Charley's collection too huge, and it's just not worth my time. If Grey wants to have his lawyers come after me, fine. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Which auction was it? On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: I sent things to a US auction house who, 6 months later, claimed they never got the high value posters and threatened me with a lawyer. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:45 PM Subject: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/west-berkshire-auction-house-cameo-refutes-customers-payment-claims Customers claim West Berkshire auction house owes them cash -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 24 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 24 members
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- Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: peter contarino pcontar...@triad.rr.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Yes, I replied to Bruce thinking it was to the whole list, then realizing it was not -- because I'm sure I'd hear other responses from other dealers or collectors -- looked at my reply. Realizing my error, reposted the email. From: peter contarino pcontar...@triad.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Was wondering that myself. Peter From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of lovenoir2 Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 2:00 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid An interesting read. Was this meant to go to the entire MOPO list? On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: - Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Your favorite auction house, Bruce -- Heritage. My husband, Charley, was a Hollywood executive. When we first did a Heritage consignment through Rudy Franchi, everything went fine. So fine, we sent a 2nd batch using my UPS account return label which had my name on it. I use my maiden name, so I guess Heritage thought it was a cold submission from nobody. Thought we'd hear from them -- nada. We are pretty busy here and knew from our first consignment that Heritage plans their auction schedule months in advance. When I finally called Heritage to see when the posters were going to be auctioned. Carter told they had received the posters, and wanted to know if we wanted to put them in the weekly auction as there was nothing of value in the lot. I said, What? What about the Get Carter and Lennon posters? Or the Fillmore posters? Heritage claimed they had not received these posters in the lot we sent. I had mentioned this event on this newsgroup before. You responded with a derogatory comment about Rudy, then Grey threatened us with lawyers and I posted a comment here batting for Rudy. At that time this was going on, I did not want to deal with Heritage because we were building a house and had a high weekly payroll to meet. The headache of dealing with this Heritage problem was small potatoes compared to being the General Contractor on a house. After Grey threatened me with lawyers and I batted for Rudy, Rudy contacted me. He had spoken with Grey and the upshot was we were offered a deal for future submissions.. That was months ago. I've come to the conclusion I don't want to do future business with Heritage. It's one thing to have a consignment set up by Rudy for my husband, Charley Lippincott, who had hired John Van Hammersveld to do the Get Carter poster and has the largest, most complete collection of John's work -- even more than John -- and another thing when little wifey using her UPS business account sends the 2nd consignment batch. As nobody me, if posters disappeared from my lot, who is to say that this doesn't happen to other people? On principle, I don't want to do business with Heritage. Life is too short, Charley's collection too huge, and it's just not worth my time. If Grey wants to have his lawyers come after me, fine. From:Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Which auction was it? On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: I sent things to a US auction house who, 6 months later, claimed they never got the high value posters and threatened me with a lawyer. From:Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:45 PM Subject: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/west-berkshire-auction-house-cameo-refutes-customers-payment-claims Customers claim West Berkshire auction house owes them cash -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 24 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content
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- Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: st...@walkerinvest.com st...@walkerinvest.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Before I consigned with Grey I had heard that someone had had a problem with a valuable poster which had disappeared from Heritage's vault, but after they got lawyers and everything, the poster suddenly reappeared. One always hears things bad things about large houses, so I took it with a grain of salt. What you're talking about also happened to us with AFA - the grading group who wants to expand into the poster and lobby card business. From: steve olson st...@walkerinvest.com To: 'Geraldine Kudaka' gkud...@rocketmail.com Cc: 'Bruce Hershenson' brucehershen...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Geraldine, I also had a running battle w/ Heritage and Grey when I was first collecting and they shorted me on some of my orders. Since they thought I was a little guy they ignored me or switched me around to new people who did nothing. Finally I stopped paying for my winning bids and it still it took them a year to solve the problem. They then had the nerve to try to get me to discount what they owed me. They think through greed and have no sense of fairness or duty or honor. Since then I have amassed a notable collection but refuse Grey when he wants me to consign. The one time I consigned to Heritage it was not done correctly and Grey wouldn’t respond to my questions. Bruce Hershenson (emovieposter.com) is the opposite- everything is organized, above board, and he protects his reputation by doing the right thing instead of threatening w/ attorneys. Regards, Steve Olson 909-730-3300 202 Memphis Ave. Huntington Beach, Ca. 92648 BTW- I am an avid buyer and live in Orange County if you want to sell anything. My tastes are (unfortunately?) very broad so you likely have many items I would find interesting. From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Geraldine Kudaka Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 8:10 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid - Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Your favorite auction house, Bruce -- Heritage. My husband, Charley, was a Hollywood executive. When we first did a Heritage consignment through Rudy Franchi, everything went fine. So fine, we sent a 2nd batch using my UPS account return label which had my name on it. I use my maiden name, so I guess Heritage thought it was a cold submission from nobody. Thought we'd hear from them -- nada. We are pretty busy here and knew from our first consignment that Heritage plans their auction schedule months in advance. When I finally called Heritage to see when the posters were going to be auctioned. Carter told they had received the posters, and wanted to know if we wanted to put them in the weekly auction as there was nothing of value in the lot. I said, What? What about the Get Carter and Lennon posters? Or the Fillmore posters? Heritage claimed they had not received these posters in the lot we sent. I had mentioned this event on this newsgroup before. You responded with a derogatory comment about Rudy, then Grey threatened us with lawyers and I posted a comment here batting for Rudy. At that time this was going on, I did not want to deal with Heritage because we were building a house and had a high weekly payroll to meet. The headache of dealing with this Heritage problem was small potatoes compared to being the General Contractor on a house. After Grey threatened me with lawyers and I batted for Rudy, Rudy contacted me. He had spoken with Grey and the upshot was we were offered a deal for future submissions.. That was months ago. I've come to the conclusion I don't want to do future business with Heritage. It's one thing to have a consignment set up by Rudy for my husband, Charley Lippincott, who had hired John Van Hammersveld to do the Get Carter poster and has the largest, most complete collection of John's work -- even more than John -- and another thing when little wifey using her UPS business account sends the 2nd consignment batch. As nobody me, if posters disappeared from my lot, who is to say that this doesn't happen to other people? On principle, I don't want to do business with Heritage. Life is too short, Charley's collection too huge, and it's just not worth my time. If Grey wants to have his lawyers come after me, fine. From:Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Sent: Saturday, March
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- Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Thank you David. I had not intended this issue to become a newsworthy story on par with the tylenol poisonings or The Komen/Planned Parenthood issue. I would find it amusing if it did... it would indicate not much is going on in the world... really, little conflicts within niche groups do not make it to to the big screen. Rather than an attack on Heritage, my intention is to warn newbie sellers not to be tempted by the big $$$ signs some auction houses offer. If the cost to collect your money ends up being a lot of hassle, or having to prove you did send in X,Y Z, is it really worth it? If you sell, as the sellers at the West Berkshire auction did, can you collect your money? From: David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid My goodness, of course it was meant for the entire list. Just look at the time stamps. There's a two-day spread between the original note Geraldine Kudaka sent to Bruce - and when the note was FORWARDED to the entire MoPo group from Geraldine herself. She is obviously a MoPo member. There is no other way an e-mail like that could be posted to the group without first enrolling as a member. Unfairly or not, I interpreted the note as an attack on Heritage, an attempt to force a public or private response from group members - or from Grey himself. In PR and news, there's a rule we follow: In the business world, there is no such thing as a true surprise. Most disputes broil beneath the surface for weeks or months - before they finally explode into the public eye. They are usually the penultimate step before the course of last resort, e.g., taking grievances to the media for widespread dissemination to audiences outside the core group most interested in the outcome. It is at that point that a client is at risk losing control of a story and is forever put on defense until a counterattack or well-understood response is mapped out and executed. Successful response case histories: Tylenol poisonings, beef percentages questioned in Taco Bell products, antenna issues with the iPhone. Unsuccessful or too late response case histories: Pink slime, Bank of America's $5 debit fee proposal, and the Komen Foundation's 180 with Planned Parenthood. -d. Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:44:25 -0400 From: pcontar...@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Was wondering that myself. Peter From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of lovenoir2 Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 2:00 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid An interesting read. Was this meant to go to the entire MOPO list? On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: - Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Your favorite auction house, Bruce -- Heritage. My husband, Charley, was a Hollywood executive. When we first did a Heritage consignment through Rudy Franchi, everything went fine. So fine, we sent a 2nd batch using my UPS account return label which had my name on it. I use my maiden name, so I guess Heritage thought it was a cold submission from nobody. Thought we'd hear from them -- nada. We are pretty busy here and knew from our first consignment that Heritage plans their auction schedule months in advance. When I finally called Heritage to see when the posters were going to be auctioned. Carter told they had received the posters, and wanted to know if we wanted to put them in the weekly auction as there was nothing of value in the lot. I said, What? What about the Get Carter and Lennon posters? Or the Fillmore posters? Heritage claimed they had not received these posters in the lot we sent. I had mentioned this event on this newsgroup before. You responded with a derogatory comment about Rudy, then Grey threatened us with lawyers and I posted a comment here batting for Rudy. At that time this was going on, I did not want to deal with Heritage because we were building a house and had a high weekly payroll to meet. The headache of dealing with this Heritage problem was small potatoes compared to being the General Contractor on a house. After Grey threatened me with lawyers and I batted for Rudy, Rudy contacted me. He had spoken with Grey and the upshot was we were offered a deal for future submissions.. That was months ago
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- Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Very interesting. I'll have to google your name to see what this David vs. Goliath case against Sotheby's was. I had intended to post to the whole group initially and did not realize I had merely replied to Bruce. But the time gap was accidentally fortuitous. Between my initial response to Bruce privately and my group posting, I retained legal counsel. The cost of consigning my posters with Heritage has gone up. Fom: David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid * That's true. If Geraldine posts again, we'll know more. But even if we presume her e-mail program has a predictive text function - there's a big jump between the B in Bruce and the M in MoPo List. Her note to the group seems - on the surface at least - intentional to me. One other thing I forgot to mention. Having once worked at a Fortune 500 company, I know the following as FACTS. Big corporations are rarely fearful of litigation. That's what their lawyers are for. One strategy is to drain a plaintiff's or a defendant's pool of funds covering legal fees. And once the lawyers are involved, they almost ALWAYS counsel NO response to further public attacks, e.g., putting up a stone wall of silence to preserve their positions in potential litigation. * However, these same corporations are almost ALWAYS WAY MORE FEARFUL of bad press. They can't control the press - and the bad stories ultimately reaches stakeholders/customers whose reactions - can have an adverse effect on a corporation's revenues and industry reputation. Public opinion, not fear of lawsuits, are responsible for the 180s we see in the most prominent case histories, e.g., Bank of America and the Komen Foundation. BTW, this is the way environmental groups, for example, operate. Lacking budgetary resources to fight lawsuits, they are very creative in their efforts to garner media attention, feeding into the conflict-driven agendas of newsrooms. When I was a reporter, I was always told to test the demonstrators by seeing if they marched and shouted ONLY when the media was present. If they stopped when the cameras left, it was a stunt. I was told to report the demonstration - but to report it accurately as being staged for media consumption. PETA operates on a similar principle, but its over-the-top actions, while GUARANTEEING coverage, results in an extremely divided view of that group's reputation. Heritage is a large company that has been down the road of adverse (and positive) press before. The risk is losing control of a dispute whereby third parties (the media) - can sway public opinion in an adverse way that disrupts operations. * When I took on FedEx and Sotheby's during the 1990s, it was the controlled, managed use of potentially adverse press relations that resulted in resolving my disputes with them. The lawyers came out with their knives intending to bleed my bank accounts dry. But knowing how to spin David vs. Goliath stories in a way that reflects a trend of errors affecting others like me - spreads the number of potential victims out so that my woes served as a poster child or a proxy - or a tip of the iceberg illustration - of greater problems impacting consumers. This forces the responsibility out of the hands of lawyers and goes all the way up the executive ladder. For most big companies facing potentially bad press, it isn't worth battling in public if small change is involved. If they're smart, they settle quietly and the problem goes away quickly. But once it hits the press, it's impossible to reel everything back in and it becomes a nightmare. I've made my living working both sides of the fence and it's an ugly business. I am so glad that my experience in the news media has equipped me well enough to battle - or to re-direct reporters when my clients are attacked, whether they are corporations or a little guy trying to influence public opinion. In sum, I'm not Heritage, but if I was handling its P.R., I would do everything in my power to make this problem go away - or to keep it confined within the borders of a small group. It's not worth fighting a volatile situation that can be solved - that risks turning into an issue that becomes everybody's problem, including present and prospective consumers who would not otherwise care absent third party involvement. -d. Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:25:18 -0500 From: brucehershen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: An auction house to avoid To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU David is certainly correct, but there is still the possibility that she did
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- Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: MOPO mopo-l@listserv.american.edu Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: Fw: [MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid - Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: Richard Evans evan...@mac.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Yes, but Charley doesn't want split up VanHammersfeld collections. When we were in LA several yeas ago, and saw John, we discussed the disposition question as we're all getting older. .Though was finding the right kind of museum to donate his work to. From: Richard Evans evan...@mac.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Hi Geraldine, Sorry to hear about your trouble with Heritage. Wonder whether you have any of John Van Hamersveld's work for The Rolling Stones' Exile On Main Street you want to sell? Cheers, Richard Sent from my iPad On 6 Apr 2012, at 04:10, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: - Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Your favorite auction house, Bruce -- Heritage. My husband, Charley, was a Hollywood executive. When we first did a Heritage consignment through Rudy Franchi, everything went fine. So fine, we sent a 2nd batch using my UPS account return label which had my name on it. I use my maiden name, so I guess Heritage thought it was a cold submission from nobody. Thought we'd hear from them -- nada. We are pretty busy here and knew from our first consignment that Heritage plans their auction schedule months in advance. When I finally called Heritage to see when the posters were going to be auctioned. Carter told they had received the posters, and wanted to know if we wanted to put them in the weekly auction as there was nothing of value in the lot. I said, What? What about the Get Carter and Lennon posters? Or the Fillmore posters? Heritage claimed they had not received these posters in the lot we sent. I had mentioned this event on this newsgroup before. You responded with a derogatory comment about Rudy, then Grey threatened us with lawyers and I posted a comment here batting for Rudy. At that time this was going on, I did not want to deal with Heritage because we were building a house and had a high weekly payroll to meet. The headache of dealing with this Heritage problem was small potatoes compared to being the General Contractor on a house. After Grey threatened me with lawyers and I batted for Rudy, Rudy contacted me. He had spoken with Grey and the upshot was we were offered a deal for future submissions.. That was months ago. I've come to the conclusion I don't want to do future business with Heritage. It's one thing to have a consignment set up by Rudy for my husband, Charley Lippincott, who had hired John Van Hammersveld to do the Get Carter poster and has the largest, most complete collection of John's work -- even more than John -- and another thing when little wifey using her UPS business account sends the 2nd consignment batch. As nobody me, if posters disappeared from my lot, who is to say that this doesn't happen to other people? On principle, I don't want to do business with Heritage. Life is too short, Charley's collection too huge, and it's just not worth my time. If Grey wants to have his lawyers come after me, fine. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Which auction was it? On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: I sent things to a US auction house who, 6 months later, claimed they never got the high value posters and threatened me with a lawyer. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:45 PM Subject: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/west-berkshire-auction-house-cameo-refutes-customers-payment-claims Customers claim West Berkshire auction house owes them cash -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 24 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed
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- Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid The sound of silencethe taste in my mouth... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCeZjvyoMTI From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid David is certainly correct, but there is still the possibility that she did not mean to post it to the list. Perhaps she thought of something she had forgotten two days earlier and planned to send me that info, but instead accidentally forwarded it to the list. We will only know if and when she chooses to post again. As for getting a response, I suspect this is what we will find: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4feature=fvst Bruce On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:19 PM, David Kusumoto davidmkusum...@hotmail.com wrote: My goodness, of course it was meant for the entire list. Just look at the time stamps. There's a two-day spread between the original note Geraldine Kudaka sent to Bruce - and when the note was FORWARDED to the entire MoPo group from Geraldine herself. She is obviously a MoPo member. There is no other way an e-mail like that could be posted to the group without first enrolling as a member. Unfairly or not, I interpreted the note as an attack on Heritage, an attempt to force a public or private response from group members - or from Grey himself. In PR and news, there's a rule we follow: In the business world, there is no such thing as a true surprise. Most disputes broil beneath the surface for weeks or months - before they finally explode into the public eye. They are usually the penultimate step before the course of last resort, e.g., taking grievances to the media for widespread dissemination to audiences outside the core group most interested in the outcome. It is at that point that a client is at risk losing control of a story and is forever put on defense until a counterattack or well-understood response is mapped out and executed. Successful response case histories: Tylenol poisonings, beef percentages questioned in Taco Bell products, antenna issues with the iPhone. Unsuccessful or too late response case histories: Pink slime, Bank of America's $5 debit fee proposal, and the Komen Foundation's 180 with Planned Parenthood. -d. Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:44:25 -0400 From: pcontar...@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Was wondering that myself. Peter From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of lovenoir2 Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 2:00 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid An interesting read. Was this meant to go to the entire MOPO list? On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: - Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Your favorite auction house, Bruce -- Heritage. My husband, Charley, was a Hollywood executive. When we first did a Heritage consignment through Rudy Franchi, everything went fine. So fine, we sent a 2nd batch using my UPS account return label which had my name on it. I use my maiden name, so I guess Heritage thought it was a cold submission from nobody. Thought we'd hear from them -- nada. We are pretty busy here and knew from our first consignment that Heritage plans their auction schedule months in advance. When I finally called Heritage to see when the posters were going to be auctioned. Carter told they had received the posters, and wanted to know if we wanted to put them in the weekly auction as there was nothing of value in the lot. I said, What? What about the Get Carter and Lennon posters? Or the Fillmore posters? Heritage claimed they had not received these posters in the lot we sent. I had mentioned this event on this newsgroup before. You responded with a derogatory comment about Rudy, then Grey threatened us with lawyers and I posted a comment here batting for Rudy. At that time this was going on, I did not want to deal with Heritage because we were building a house and had a high weekly payroll to meet. The headache of dealing with this Heritage problem was small potatoes compared to being the General Contractor on a house. After Grey threatened me with lawyers and I batted for Rudy, Rudy contacted me. He had spoken with Grey and the upshot was we were offered a deal for future submissions.. That was months ago. I've come to the conclusion I don't want to do future business
[MOPO] Fw: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid
- Forwarded Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com To: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Your favorite auction house, Bruce -- Heritage. My husband, Charley, was a Hollywood executive. When we first did a Heritage consignment through Rudy Franchi, everything went fine. So fine, we sent a 2nd batch using my UPS account return label which had my name on it. I use my maiden name, so I guess Heritage thought it was a cold submission from nobody. Thought we'd hear from them -- nada. We are pretty busy here and knew from our first consignment that Heritage plans their auction schedule months in advance. When I finally called Heritage to see when the posters were going to be auctioned. Carter told they had received the posters, and wanted to know if we wanted to put them in the weekly auction as there was nothing of value in the lot. I said, What? What about the Get Carter and Lennon posters? Or the Fillmore posters? Heritage claimed they had not received these posters in the lot we sent. I had mentioned this event on this newsgroup before. You responded with a derogatory comment about Rudy, then Grey threatened us with lawyers and I posted a comment here batting for Rudy. At that time this was going on, I did not want to deal with Heritage because we were building a house and had a high weekly payroll to meet. The headache of dealing with this Heritage problem was small potatoes compared to being the General Contractor on a house. After Grey threatened me with lawyers and I batted for Rudy, Rudy contacted me. He had spoken with Grey and the upshot was we were offered a deal for future submissions.. That was months ago. I've come to the conclusion I don't want to do future business with Heritage. It's one thing to have a consignment set up by Rudy for my husband, Charley Lippincott, who had hired John Van Hammersveld to do the Get Carter poster and has the largest, most complete collection of John's work -- even more than John -- and another thing when little wifey using her UPS business account sends the 2nd consignment batch. As nobody me, if posters disappeared from my lot, who is to say that this doesn't happen to other people? On principle, I don't want to do business with Heritage. Life is too short, Charley's collection too huge, and it's just not worth my time. If Grey wants to have his lawyers come after me, fine. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid Which auction was it? On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: I sent things to a US auction house who, 6 months later, claimed they never got the high value posters and threatened me with a lawyer. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:45 PM Subject: [MOPO] An auction house to avoid http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/west-berkshire-auction-house-cameo-refutes-customers-payment-claims Customers claim West Berkshire auction house owes them cash -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 24 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 24 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Lame return reasons
Sorry, Peter, as a buyer on ebay I have to say I lean towards your buyer. There are so many scams on ebay -- many of which are reported here on MOPO -- that its no wonder she's paranoid. The slightest whiff of being scammed sends a buyer into conniptions. The problem (in this case) is not the buyer but the thieving sellers who are scamming buyers. Its easy to blame the buyer, but look at it... what makes ebay run? Its the buyer. If the buyers didn't buy, sellers wouldn't have the money to pay their ebay fees. What makes buyers run? Bad sellers. While its understandable being angry over the buyer's chargeback, you know she can retract the chargeback -- which she won't do if you take a hostile attitude towards her. If you have to suck it up in order to make nice with her, its because of bad sellers. You made a small, honest mistake and she over-reacted. From: peter contarino pcontar...@triad.rr.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Lame return reasons I have a good one from today actually. A woman bought an Empire Strikes Back style “A” one sheet from me on ebay. I have several copies and instead of pulling the copy I photographed for the listing, I mistakenly pulled one marked International on the bottom. She received and alerted me to this. I told her no worries, send back and I will send the correct one and refund shipping. I received a nasty email today telling me that she wanted her money back and threatened negative feedback because I wasn’t home yesterday when they tried to deliver it. I told her fine, sorry for not canceling my entire schedule for the week while awaiting her poster. I told her I would refund her entire costs including the two shipping charges she incurred. I then went to paypal and she had already filed a dispute so now the transaction and money are frozen while they look into it. I wrote her and told her the situation and pointed out that it is unreasonable buyers like her that have caused a lot of good dealers to forego selling on ebay. I see a negative blemish on my perfect feedback score on the horizon… Peter From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Steven Hill Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 12:44 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: [MOPO] Lame return reasons I'm curious to hear some stories from poster dealers regarding the reasons some people come up with when they want to return an item they have bought. For example, do people return an Australian daybill saying I thought it was an insert? And I'm sure you've all had I thought I was buying a DVD. :) Tell some stories! -- Steven Warren Hill shil...@sbcglobal.net shil...@yahoo.com Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Grading
Hollywood is a small world, and since Rudy's name was already mentioned, I'll just say that my husband and he knew of each other 45-46 years ago. Rudy truly loves movies, and back when doing obscure things like promoting French New Wave meant nothing to most, Rudy was doing it. He certainly wasn't making money off promoting these critical film ideas. So if Rudy has found a way -- in his 70's -- to make money off his love, more power to him. He's paid his dues. I understand your frustration because you work hard but its a bit unfair -- and harsh -- to look forward to anyone's passing. I'm going to assume it was just another weird blurting out and not a true sentiment. Regarding our second Heritage submission, the conversation was left with us trying to produce the list we had compiled for shipping. The Lennon/Yoko and Get Carter were films Charley had worked on, so we have multiples. (Charley even commissioned van Hamersveld to do the Get Carter poster.) The first batch we sent, which included, among others, Lennon/Yoko Get Carter, did so well we sent a 2nd batch. Its been left at our coming up with our list because they have no record. Mind you, we're pretty busy around here, what with winter approaching, I don't have a lot of time. Here's a good example -- I have to get our taxes done and in the mail by Monday. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Grading I see I made a weird error above, I wrote I have refused some excellent consignments from people. but that should have read I have received some excellent consignments from people (I assume people got my intended wording from the context). On the owner of the site O referenced, I (and everyone else) likes him. But he is the leading curmudgeon of the movie poster hobby, and he apparently sees nothing wrong with these tactics. When he and a few others pass on, it will mark the end of a P.T. Barnum type method of poster dealing (buying, selling, and auctioning, where anything goes) and I feel that this will be great for the hobby when it does end, for it is this sort of hucksterism and devious tactics that have kept our hobby so small. Every time someone is sold a $5 poster for $100, that is one less poster collector, and every time someone from outside the hobby sells a $100 poster to someone for $5 (because they are told that is a fair price) that is one more person who goes around bad mouthing the hobby. As to the use of the word ruse I was sent copies of e-mails between a visitor to that site and its owner, and after reading them, no one could feel the use of that word is too harsh. And Geraldine, you wrote but 2nd batch -- well, at least two posters went missing -- including a Lenon/Yoko film and the 2nd a van Hamersveld Get Carter. How does the auction house respond to you when you try to get back your posters (or get reimbursed for their true value)? Bruce On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:03 PM, lovenoir2 loveno...@gmail.com wrote: I hope that that Rudy Franchi, who owns the site-- his name is on his site, so no secret is being divulged here-- (and who is a MOPO member as well) responds to some of these comments. Some remarks suggest actions that are less than above board. To call his service a ruse is rather harsh. He has been doing this work for a long time, and long before he worked and consulted for Heritage, as his bio page discusses. -KL On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:13 AM, Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com wrote: It's worse than that in movie posters. There is a site called http://www.posterappraisal.com/ where you are told that Nothing is bought or sold on this site and that I do not make offers for the material you inquire about nor do I get involved in its eventual disposition, when actually the owner of that site is a paid employee of a leading auction house and gets a finder's fee for any items that go to that auction (not disclosed on the site). So people THINK they are getting an honest impartial opinion, when all they are getting is led to that website! Legitimate networking? Many people quickly see through this ruse, and I have refused some excellent consignments from people who started at the above site and were shocked and outraged when they learned the truth. But I am sure there have been others who were bamboozled by this deception, and that is sad. Bruce On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: Its a bit unrealistic to expect a company who makes their money from grading not to take the opportunity to make more money every which way they can. Also that people working for that grading company realizing they could supplement their income by going into business for themselves. While AFA/CGA may not have direct links to selling collectibles they grade, they do
Re: [MOPO] Grading
Its a bit unrealistic to expect a company who makes their money from grading not to take the opportunity to make more money every which way they can. Also that people working for that grading company realizing they could supplement their income by going into business for themselves. While AFA/CGA may not have direct links to selling collectibles they grade, they do employ people who have their own collectible business, and AFA fields calls so that their colleague. Say someone inherits a collection and is looking for a way to liquidate it. Grading companies like AFA do field these calls to colleagues with their own business. I speak from experience because this is what happened to me. Its not a story I heard. This happened to me when I called AFA. I suppose this is called networking and for dealers who are left out of the loop, ethically challenged behavior. But if your hand is getting buttered, then you'd call this legitimate networking. From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Grading At 01:43 AM 10/12/2011, Adrian Cowdry wrote: Personally, if we have to go the way of grading then finebut the cost of grading a Rodan or a Frankenstein 1931 should remain the same not a percentage of the value of the card...which seems to be the case with Comics. I agree I think getting a % of an Action #1 makes them want to grade a book higher than it should be graded. whether they realize it or not - From: Sean Linkenback slinkenb...@comcast.net snip Of course it is essential that the grading company stay away from the business of actually selling posters themselves to avoid the appearance of any conflict of interest. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Grading
Very interesting I used that site and did get sent to an auction site... 1st batch of posters I set to the leading auction house worked out fine, but 2nd batch -- well, at least two posters went missing -- including a Lenon/Yoko film and the 2nd a van Hamersveld Get Carter. From: Bruce Hershenson brucehershen...@gmail.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Grading It's worse than that in movie posters. There is a site called http://www.posterappraisal.com/ where you are told that Nothing is bought or sold on this site and that I do not make offers for the material you inquire about nor do I get involved in its eventual disposition, when actually the owner of that site is a paid employee of a leading auction house and gets a finder's fee for any items that go to that auction (not disclosed on the site). So people THINK they are getting an honest impartial opinion, when all they are getting is led to that website! Legitimate networking? Many people quickly see through this ruse, and I have refused some excellent consignments from people who started at the above site and were shocked and outraged when they learned the truth. But I am sure there have been others who were bamboozled by this deception, and that is sad. Bruce On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.com wrote: Its a bit unrealistic to expect a company who makes their money from grading not to take the opportunity to make more money every which way they can. Also that people working for that grading company realizing they could supplement their income by going into business for themselves. While AFA/CGA may not have direct links to selling collectibles they grade, they do employ people who have their own collectible business, and AFA fields calls so that their colleague. Say someone inherits a collection and is looking for a way to liquidate it. Grading companies like AFA do field these calls to colleagues with their own business. I speak from experience because this is what happened to me. Its not a story I heard. This happened to me when I called AFA. I suppose this is called networking and for dealers who are left out of the loop, ethically challenged behavior. But if your hand is getting buttered, then you'd call this legitimate networking. From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Grading At 01:43 AM 10/12/2011, Adrian Cowdry wrote: Personally, if we have to go the way of grading then finebut the cost of grading a Rodan or a Frankenstein 1931 should remain the same not a percentage of the value of the card...which seems to be the case with Comics. I agree I think getting a % of an Action #1 makes them want to grade a book higher than it should be graded. whether they realize it or not - From: Sean Linkenback slinkenb...@comcast.net snip Of course it is essential that the grading company stay away from the business of actually selling posters themselves to avoid the appearance of any conflict of interest. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. -- Bruce Hershenson and the other 25 members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. Box 874 West Plains, MO 65775 Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take lunch) our site our auctions Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its
[MOPO] Grading
The action toy world uses grading from AFA which is an off shoot of CGA to determine a criteria for grading toys to establishes their value. This past year, on MOPO, there has been talk of grading posters and lobby cards. I'd like to put my 2 cents in about this subject. I went through grading a lot of Star Wars collectibles at AFA. I called them for information, and they referred me to someone who works with them, who is also a toy seller and dealer. This AFA representative offered to personally handle our items, cleaning them up so they could get their best grades, and giving us the best price because my husband was a Star Wars executive. The best price was paying in advance for grading and paying for a Silver membership.. He promised whatever we didn't use we could get refunded at any time. Well, guess what. We've been trying to get our money refunded. First, AFA couldn't find our account. Then, there was a question about the totals and we were suppose to be sent invoices. That didn't happened, we got busy and now that I'm asking again for my hard earned cash, its been like pulling teeth out of a screaming baby. All of this is to say I hope the poster world does not go the direction of grading toys. First, I find it highly unethical that calling AFA, they would refer me to someone who is a dealer who offer to help me get the best grade. Makes me wonder what kind of grades he gets for the items he's selling. Second, I do not believe AFA has an objective standard. Several of our Star Wars action figures received a 90 -- which is the highest you can get for a vintage SW figure -- yet others, which were seemed to be in as good a condition, received an 80 or 85. These are still good numbers, but I really wonder about CGA/AFA's objectivity. When I questioned them, they said it kinda depended on who was grading that day. I have also found out that sometimes people will send their toys in to be regraded, just to try and get a higher point. Last, I'm really irritated at how difficult it has been getting my money back.If a business offers you a refund, a refund it should be. figures are Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
