, critical thinking and truth, a metaphysics of the
obvious!
Marsha
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Hi MarshaV and All,
On 3/16/13 2:01 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote
Hi MarshaV and All,
On 3/16/13 2:01 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Marsha,
If dynamic quality, reality, is unknowable why use the term?
Are you asking why RMP used language to explain the Metaphysics
might agree with Nietzsche?
Compared with music all communication by words is shameless; words dilute
and brutalize; words depersonalize; words make uncommon common.
(Nietzsche, Friedrich, 'Will To Power')
re fa la
Marsha
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Hi MarshaV,
IMHO How to describe a theory of knowledge in DQ/SQ experience? DQ,
indefinable self-consciousness along with definable SQ structure, enables
self-directed activity.
SQ, defined reality, places the limit of definition on an indefinable DQ
emotional self-consciousness. Definitions
Hi MarshaV and All,
A theory of knowledge! In a DQ/SQ valuation, metaphysical reality is
indefinable/definable. That seems to scan like pure nonsense. How can I
experience the indefinable and the definable?
IMHO There is differentiation in existence of reality! There is a common
experience
Hi Arlo and All,
What is logic? Does logic encapsulate the structure of truth? Arguments
are provisional! Do I consider logic as metaphysics, or is metaphysics
beyond logic when flirting with a provisional conception of reality?
I disagree with Pirsig on this. Is Pirsig not allowed to change
Hi Dan and All,
A barrier I am up against is logic!. I conceive DQ/SQ as Emotions/Thoughts.
Indefinable/definable. What is love? What is logic? I am old.
There seems to be indefinable love. I view love as DQ emotion.
This suggests a metaphysical foundation in a DQ connection of indefinable
Hi David and All,
Unfortunately the subject matter contains the reference to the awareness
of indefinable DQ in consciousness. How do I tweak my consciousness to
accept indefinable reality? Metaphysics!
My explanation is that indefinable DQ messages indefinable individuality.
The discussion is
Hi DMB,
How can anything evolve?
Joe
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How can anything be stable and constantly changing at the same time? It
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I think memory and love differ.
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Hi Krimel and All,
I have respect for Pirsig. His intelligence is breath taking. I do not
understand the forms he creates.
What is a common ground between the indefinable and the definable?
Experience in consciousness! The indefinable is the experience in
consciousness only DQ.
The
Hi Ant and All,
To claim agency for religion in respect to strangling the Dynamic Quality
which initially guides and establishes reality is not taking into
consideration the differing origins of Logic and Religion, metaphysics and
Faith.
For me they are differing realities. I don't know that
Hi David M. and All,
Metaphysics MOQ has a different format for knowledge than SOM. DQ in a
DQ/SQ format of knowledge accepts indefinable reality. Indefinable yet
knowable, DQ/SQ metaphysics. This discussion follows the metaphysical
principles of DQ/SQ.
In its first life SOM Quality was
Hi MarshaV and all,
Nothing knowable! I guess my dreams come from aliens!
Joe
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Nothing divisible, nothing definable and nothing knowable
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Hi Arlo and All,
The sentient awareness of being is a function of indefinable consciousness,
self-awareness. Animals have a static function, definable instinct for
behavior, rather than the indefinable consciousness/sentience.
Self-consciousness, sentience, enables the driver, will. Decisions
Hi David and All,
All SQ has to start as DQ,. I have been uneasy all my 80+ years. I don't
know that I agree that All SQ has to start as DQ! I am not a creator! DQ
is experienced as emotions, SQ as thoughts! I started to crawl before I
could walk.
I am uneasy! I have no conception of what
Hi Ham,
Good to hear from you again. I have no idea what your take is on
metaphysics. Physics demands definitive structure, mathematics. IMHO
Metaphysics looks beyond structure so to speak for uncovering a source for
the experiencing of reality DQ/SQ.
Structure/reality. Pirsig suggested that
Hi David and All,
IMHO Metaphysics is about existence not agreement. Let me count the ways!
DQ indefinable, SQ definable are metaphysical conceptions of existence.
Consciousness is a lonely place. Individuality is a lonely place.
DQ is not the one of mathematics. Metaphysics/Mathematics. DQ
Hi Dan and All,
DQ/SQ. DQ is indefinable! Does that mean is is unknowable? The format of
metaphysics, DQ/SQ, answers that indefinable reality is not unknowable. DQ
is accepted as indefinable. The MOQ theory of knowledge accepts that the
experience of indefinable DQ exists in
Hi Horse and All,
As a amateur singer (Church choir) I wonder why the octave of sound or the
color spectrum has not become a template for reality. Sound seems to be
reality, and there is a structure called the octave with differing intervals
which seems to give some order. Hell, even the
Hi Horse and All,
I am a widower over 80 so I don't vouch for my sanity. The brain certainly
deals with the indefinable just fine, DQ. I want to keep some rigor in
logic beyond sounding correct especially when exploring an indefinable DQ,
definable SQ reality. Consciousness is given a huge
Hi MarshaV and All,
Metaphysics cannot be an argument. The theory of knowledge DQ/SQ is
structured to accept definitions SQ together with the indefinable DQ. Where
is the rest of the world when it comes to definitions? Hanging out with
mathematical logic which negates the indefinable.
DQ/SQ
Hi MarshaV and All,
IMHO What is the base for stating that DQ is not divisible, not definable,
not knowable, yet still experienced? It seems the no's have the upper
hand over the affirmation of experience.
You can't define what a thing is by declaring what it is not. You have to
bite the
Hi MarshaV and All,
DQ/SQ are metaphysical terms. DQ is not indeterminate it is indefinable. I
experience DQ. I am aware of the experience of being unable to
conceptualize what I experience.
DQ/SQ metaphysics does not follow SOM's defined duality. DQ is indefinable.
Mathematics is definable.
Hi Dan and All,
Metaphysics explores the table for MOQ, DQ/SQ. Unfortunately a storyline
can not carry enough logical rigor to clarify indefinable metaphysical
principles. The theory of knowledge changes from S/O abstraction to DQ/SQ.
Direct experience of indefinable DQ/SQ, not SOM based
Hi David and All,
Logic has a base in conceptual reality. This base modifies pre-conceptual
empirical reality in common perception. I have no idea how you communicate
pre-conceptual empirical reality except through logic and gestures which
form concepts.
Joe
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Hi Arlo and All,
DQ/SQ has stability. I gather both DQ and SQ are misunderstood in logic.
Joe
On 2/15/13 11:14 AM, ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
Ever-changing is opposed to stability. The more ever changing something is,
the less stable it is. The more stable something is,
Hi Arlo and All,
IMHO The word logic has a root in logos, the word. Are the meaning of words
tied to logic like mathematical symbols? No! Analogy and metaphor use
words.
Analogy and Metaphor are useful tools for helping understanding. They are
used when discussing the reality of indefinable
Hi Arlo and All,
IMHO DQ/SQ has to be thinking outside language, by trying to put in order
the experience of the indefinable which is individual, and the definition of
the definable which is social.
Joe
On 2/14/13 6:57 AM, ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
The point is not that
Hi Khoo,
By using the term 'Dynamic' we acknowledge that we experience the
indefinable. What it is in DQ/SQ metaphysics is either indefinable or
definable. If something we experience is indefinable, it rests in our
consciousness with no way to communicate it to another except through
analogy
Hi David and All,
DQ/SQ indefinable/definable. I experience the indefinable only as an
experience in my consciousness! I can try to communicate my experience in
self-consciousness of DQ to another only in the reality of using definable
words and gestures as analogies, metaphors.
IMHO emotional
Hi MarshaV and All,
Is DQ knowledge? IMHO DQ is indefinable, and is more correctly seen as
experience, I know the indefinable in the complicated metaphysical
explanation that leaves me speechless, DQ in DQ/SQ metaphysics.
Consciousness is the proper vessel when looking for experience of the
Hi KHOO HOCK AUN,
CHAOS is an ugly word! STATIC chokes me up! DQ/SQ is comforting.
Joe
On 2/10/13 10:07 AM, Khoo Hock Aun khoohock...@gmail.com wrote:
One view shows you nothing but Chaos, another, nothing but a static
rigid
Order. As a human on the cusp of awareness, in all
likelihood,
Hi MarshaV and All,
I want to explore capability and capacity, DQ/SQ, in the conception of
knowledge in a sentient being that accommodates indeterminate, indivisible,
indefinable and (conceptually) unknowable, though directly experienced like
drinking hot tea.
IMHO the only word that comes to
Hi Dan and All,
IMHO The dynamic World of Buddhas would certainly need some clarification
in the reality of logical meaning.
DQ/SQ is the metaphysical base for logic. I experience the indefinable. I
hope the World of Buddhas could lead to a logical discourse in the
conceptual verification for
Hi Ian,
IMHO The dynamic perspective is indefinable! Emotions and the existence of
the indefinable seem to have a common parley.
Joe
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I'm one of those who has flipped his
entire life viewpoint to the dynamic perspective
Hi David and All,
DQ, indefinable reality, is ever changing! I like SQ, for defining
variety.
As I read the above sentence I conjecture that ever-changing DQ has a more
limited exposure than SQ definition.
To use DQ, an indefinable reality, as the meaning for reality leaves me with
an insecure
Hi Dan and All,
In SOM the theory of knowledge hinged on abstraction. The duality of
intentional and real existence does not occur through perception. Som's
value for a roll for existence in consciousness in the metaphysics for
transferable knowledge as opposed to instinct seems reasonable.
Hi Dave and Dan,
DQ! IMHO Consciousness is indefinable DQ, reality is DQ/SQ. I manipulate
DQ consciousness, I am willful! The combination DQ/SQ manifests as
indefinable/definable reality in DQ consciousness, MOQ. I am responsible,
DQ!
Joe
On 2/3/13 5:20 PM, Dan Glover
On 2/3/13 7:27 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
³The MOQ, as I understand it, denies any existence of a ³self² that is
independent of inorganic, biological, social or intellectual patterns. There
is no ³self² that contains these patterns. These patterns contain the self.
This denial
Hi MarshaV,
Thank You very much for the paper. As I was reading through it I kept
averting to Pirsig's DQ/SQ vision for knowing reality. There is no doubt in
my mind that indefinable does not mean unknowable. IMHO Consciousness,
self-awareness, holds the key to the perception of meaning for
Hi Horse and All,
IMHO S/O are contradictory if accepted as existence. There is no
metaphysics of existence that would accept S/O duality. SO in the
consciousness of an individual is better understood as DQ/SQ where S is SQ
definable and O is DQ indefinable. Consciousness accepts DQ/SQ
Hi David and All,
What is knowledge? If I accept a metaphysical division of knowledge into
DQ/SQ what am I accepting?
My perception of DQ is indefinable, my perception of SQ is definable.
DQ/SQ definable/indefinable modality, for reality in existence, simplifies
the impossible duality in
Hi Ron and All,
IMHO SOM's procedure for truth validates a logic for SO reality. This is
the proposal of a duality in existence. The metaphysical justification in
SOM for this S/O duality in existence is a trust in the logic of belief.
Pirsig proposed reality in indefinable/definable terms of
Hi Arlo and All,
How can I put the box around the experience of DQ to hold words?
Metaphysics explores this area and the answer makes some sense DQ/SQ. I
have the capability to experience DQ. SOM is changed to MOQ. Says you!
Pirsig's insight into reality as DQ/SQ prevents accepted logic,
Hi Arlo,
Quality does not require special ritual. I don't know about requiring
special ritual. The setup in logic which can point convincingly enough to
the perception of indefinable reality is not the usual bread and butter
statement.
Joe
On 1/24/13 6:55 AM, ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR
definition.
The validity of the law is governed by definition. Consciousness determines
the validity of the definition.
Joe
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Joe,
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I can't jump on my horse and ride off
On Jan 21, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi MarshaV and All
DQ/SQ! I accept this as a paradigm in communication for all reality in
discourse.
A question that logically arises: If DQ is indefinable common reality, to
what can I appeal
you are
talking about.
Marsha
On Jan 19, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi MarshaV and All,
IMHO In the DQ/SQ metaphysics DQ is experienced as indefinable. Indefinable
DQ is differentiated from SQ by definition. All experience is included
moment, ignore it or find your own;
Better yet Find out for yourself.
Ma
On Jan 18, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi MarshaV and All,
IMHO Indeterminate (DQ) does not need a special function in accepting the
indefinable to validate it. Consciousness
Hi MarshaV and All,
IMHO Indeterminate (DQ) does not need a special function in accepting the
indefinable to validate it. Consciousness, in the awake sentient being,
upholds logic, DQ/SQ reality. DQ/SQ metaphysics in consciousness is
adequate, discerning indeterminate (indefinable) DQ and
Hi Dan,
I was watching a television presentation last night which emphasized that
all perceptions of the audience during the performance are indefinable. DQ.
What will happen next? Definition SQ follows conceptions after the
performance.
IMHO Memory SQ follows experience DQ. Definition
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Hi David and All,
Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me. Youth!
Consciousness is not a stick or a stone, but, un, words, flash, etc. are
perceived in consciousness and I die! What is that all about?
Consciousness
Hi David and All,
Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me. Youth!
Consciousness is not a stick or a stone, but, un, words, flash, etc. are
perceived in consciousness and I die! What is that all about?
Consciousness! Granary! Time, Storage considerations! That too?
Hi DMB and All,
If something is indefinable like DQ it doesn't represent the leader to the
best things in the restaurant by definition. I guess it isn't in stock and
I do not have to consider it! That seems to miss the point of the best
things in the restaurant.
Joe
On 1/14/13 2:35 PM, david
Hi John,
IMHO A change in metaphysics will explain the change in our perception of
experience. I examine an individual's experience in the indefinable DQ/SQ
metaphysics. I accept this experience to be real. I accept the concept of
indefinable levels through evolution, enabling a variety in
that evolution is emotional then I think
I may understand your meaning.
-Ron
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Hi Arlo and All
On 1/11/13 7:04 AM, ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[Arlo previously]
...and the choice has consequences-
[Joe] Evolution! Qdeterminesuality
IMHO DQ/SQ metaphysics accepts an
evolution which can be described as levels in existence. Quality determines
the choosing!
[Arlo]
Joe, my computer is being silly. Ignore the message missent.
Joe
On 1/10/13 12:47 PM, ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.edu wrote:
[DMB]
Clearly, this disproves her denial and shows that she is indeed using the
phrase It's all an analogy as a smug way to evade questions. Clearly, this
Hi Arlo and All,
...and the choice has consequences-
Evolution! Quality determines the choosing!
DQ/SQ, the choosing is complex. Can the indefinable being whimsical choose!
Maybe an accident or maybe the indefinable is self aware. The indefinable
evolving chooses and becomes SQ. Now just a
Hi MarshaV,
IMHO DQ is not analogy. The indefinable exists in consciousness. DQ/SQ
metaphysics validates the description of evolution as manifesting levels in
existence: inorganic, organic1 self-dividing reproduction, organic2
self-movement, emotional, intellectual, higher emotional heroes,
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Joe:
My wish is that your experience of indefinable reality be
fulfilling rather than obfuscating.
Your judgement of what is obfuscating or what is not obfuscating has no
meaning for me.
Marsha
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infinite field of Dynamic Quality.
I am sure you are charming, but you have
nothing I want.
Marsha
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Hi MarshaV and All,
What do you want of
me?
Given the widespread acceptance of SOM, DQ/SQ is a lonely
Hi MartshaV and all,
I don't accept that a description of DQ/SQ validates place. The world is an
oyster.
Joe
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Hey Joe,
Maybe you'd like me to walk three steps behind you too.
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On 1/7/13 1:21 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Greetings Joe,
I do not understand you response. What do you want of me?
Marsha
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Hi MarshaV,
Joe, what do you want of me?
WOW!
Dynamic!
Joe
On Jan 6, 2013, at 5:04 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi MarshaV,
Joe, what do you want of me?
WOW!
Dynamic!
Joe
On 1/6/13 1:18 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Joe,
To remind you:
To the extent that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns
, which is undefinable, one's behavior is free.
(RMP, LILA, Chapter 12)
Joe, what do you want of me?
Marsha
On Jan 5, 2013, at 2:03 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi MarshaV and All,
I am at a loss for words! DQ/SQ metaphysics seems to abhor words
Hi MarshaV and All,
I am at a loss for words! DQ/SQ metaphysics seems to abhor words. The
individual experiences the indefinable. There is no out front individuality
in an individual, he/she acts with judgment like everyone else.
DQ/SQ is a proper metaphysics. How alone am I wrestling with
Hi MarshaV and All,
IMHO SOM becomes reality when existence is seen as duality, mine and other!
Marriage and family duality.
Two become one is the creation of individuality, DQ/SQ. I do not know that
marriage is metaphysics, but historically a story portraying a world
changing incident is
Hi MarshaV and All,
The world is nothing but value!. Mathematics describes nothing but value.
There is a difference in the logic of mathematics and the logic of
metaphysics. In SOM, duality in existence, real/intentional, validates
mathematical logic, S/O logic.
Imho the reality for the
Hi MarshaV and All,
For me it is difficult to understand a non-reality for emotions which are
indefinable. I have no foundation for describing Plato as against emotional
perception. Neither do I understand a suggestion that Plato was steadfastly
rational. I am not a scholar. I am a retired
? Or, is IT all just a Magic Show?
( http://quantumbuddhism.com/QB-ARTICLES/MIR-Myth.pdf )
On Dec 30, 2012, at 7:44 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi MarshaV and All,
For many centuries SOM was accepted as metaphysical reality. When
questioning SOM
things, uses DQ/SQ as indefinable/definable
modalities in existence. A conscious knower-of-life modality discernment,
sentient/non-sentient life, are acceptable.
Joe
On 12/30/12 1:05 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Greetings Joe,
On Dec 29, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Joseph Maurer jh
Hi MarshaV and All,
For a philosophy to reflect about its own nature seems like trying to lift
myself by my own bootstraps. To avoid individuality Pirsig, imho, logically
posited reality as DQ/SQ, indefinable/definable reality.
How can I know DQ? Metaphysics DQ/SQ, Definable/indefinable.
,
Another question about analogy.
Marsha
On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:18 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi MarshaV.
What is Connecticut?
Joe
On 12/25/12 2:34 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Whoops, I mean Hunter and me.
On Dec 25, 2012, at 5:01 AM, MarshaV val
Hi MarshaV,
When describing existence 'analogy' is not a verifiable metaphysical term of
individuality DQ/SQ.
Joe
On 12/23/12 11:08 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Hi Joe,
Analogy!!!
Marsha.
On Dec 23, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote
Hi MarshaV.
What is Connecticut?
Joe
On 12/25/12 2:34 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Whoops, I mean Hunter and me.
On Dec 25, 2012, at 5:01 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
p.s. In my bedroom, behind closed doors, is a flat screen attached to a
xbox, so between batches of
but Value
which can be experienced as patterned (static) and unpatterned (Dynamic).
Marsha
On Dec 22, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi MarshaV,
IMHO you are equating value and existence. How is existential DQ different
from existential SQ? Definition
wrote:
Hi Joe,
The metaphysical system that I accept is that the world is nothing but Value
which can be experienced as patterned (Static) and unpatterned (Dynamic).
Marsha
On Dec 21, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi MarshaV and All
Hi MarshaV and All,
This statement requires a very careful exposition. Life manifests Dynamic
Quality. The metaphysics leading to the self, perceiving death, like
heroism, can be horribly misled. The question of behavior in a
dynamic/static environment must look at death as static, nothing
, evolution, without
violating DQ/SQ metaphysics. DQ is indefinable not non-existent.
Joe
On 12/19/12 11:36 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
Joe,
Secure? Good luck with that project...
Marsha
On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi MarshaV
Hi MarshaV and All,
I can't relate to a bottomless craving. IMHO In DQ/SQ metaphysics the
indefinable is present. For variety Evolution in existence seems a more
secure approach than thirst. I can experience the indefinable.
Communicating that experience follows the metaphysical structure of
IMHO There is no place for rational in describing DQ/SQ metaphysics.
Rational is relational ratio. DQ does not qualify. There is no definition
for DQ since there is no rational explanation for DQ. DQ/SQ is a viable
metaphysics. DQ follows a faith structure in metaphysics.
Evolution not
Hi MarshaV and All,
DQ/SQ. DQ must allude to the power of creation and we must all participate.
It is useless saying metaphysics is not real. We are all held accountable
DQ/SQ.
Joe
On 12/14/12 11:32 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
My power is not real, it is an illusion.
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Hi Marsha,
I do not know where my tears must fall! I accept that they do fall!
Joe
On 12/14/12 12:52 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
There is something terribly wrong...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/14/school-shooting-connectic
ut/1769367/
Marsha
Hi John,
IMHO in DQ/SQ metaphysics, there is no way to describe where my feet are
since indefinable matters. Feet are attached to I.
Joe
On 12/13/12 1:13 PM, Howze, John@EDD john.ho...@edd.ca.gov wrote:
I also must say, I am finding my feet still. I know where I am (at work), but
Hi John,
A word that turns up now and then in discussions is 'Evolution'.
Evolution is not viable in the rigid logic of mathematical physics.
For a long while S/O was the language of metaphysics. DQ/SQ is the insight
of Pirsig for language and metaphysics.
Mathematics is the language for
Why are you laughing? You've taken all the fun out of it!
Joe
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I've turned him into a gingerbread man. Hahahaha...
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beyond evolution? Creation? Do you have
the power? I feel lost in my diminishment!
Joe
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Joe,
I will serve that gingerbread man with whipped cream for a sizable ransom.
Marsha
On Dec 12, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Joseph
Hi MarshaV and All,
IMHO Split and levels need some discussion. For myself evolution
describes an hierarchical order in existence! I don't know how to add light
to existence? Existence is measured in a yes/no discussion of metaphysical
logic like evolution, rather than conversational
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Hi MarshaV and All,
IMHO Evolution describes a hiearchy in existence validating DQ indefinable
emotional existence, SQ definable mathematical logic. How is SQ intellect a
higher level than DQ emotions. Intellect is definable logic available to
all
Hi MarshaV and All,
IMHO Evolution describes a hiearchy in existence validating DQ indefinable
emotional existence, SQ definable mathematical logic. How is SQ intellect a
higher level than DQ emotions. Intellect is definable logic available to
all, emotions embody indefinable logic available
Hi MarshaV
Evolution presupposes the logic base for DQ/SQ metaphysics. How is
indefinable DQ perceived?
For myself I am content to try to expose an order in evolution as a start.
Evolution is a useful concept if you accept levels in existence. This
acceptance establishes existential
Hi MarshaV,
IMHO DQ/SQ impacts language. Perception precedes the conceptions manifested
in language.
DQ/SQ metaphysics highlights a distinction between the individuality in
indefinable perception and definable conception. Straddling a chasm is
not nearly as precise as definable/indefinable
Hi John,
IMHO MOQ DQ/SQ! Good as an adjective SQ. Good as a noun, DQ evolution.
Joe
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In ZMM Pirsig clearly asserts that In Plato's system arete is the Good,
and it is subordinated only to the True, but truth is that
Hi David,
I have no model of logic for a standard of discourse for DQ/SQ. I am 80 and
all my education followed SOM logic for grammar. I do not know your
standard for expressing the metaphysics of DQ/SQ grammar outside of SOM? I
try to use metaphysics as the standard for grammar but we are
Hi DMB and All,
IMHO In the search for quality, Dynamic/Static, an order for evolution as
levels in existence, can be experienced. DQ/SQ metaphysics is not SQ
mathematical physics.
Evolution is an insight to be fleshed out in an intellectual description of
reality DQ/SQ! Perception DQ
Hi Horse and All,
DQ is not individual. Emotions are DQ! If we cannot discuss emotional
reality its no wonder everyone is just wandering.
Joe
On 11/29/12 2:35 PM, Horse ho...@darkstar.uk.net wrote:
Static and Dynamic (SQ
and DQ) - and, as Arlo and DMB and many others have pointed out, DQ
Hi DMB
Ouch!
Joe
On 11/29/12 10:47 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
Some people can learn faster than others and that's fine. But the level of
incorrigibility demonstrated by these trolls can't be explained by the
standard variations in intelligence. These cases are so
Hi MarshaV and All,
Existence! SOM accepts two forms of existence S/O. MOQ DQ/SQ accepts
existence as definable and indefinable.
IMHO Evolution describes a hierarchy in existence as a moral order.
Metaphysics!
Joe
On 11/26/12 2:05 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
I like the idea of
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