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JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
RV wrote:
I would like your name and address so I or my legal counsel can tell you
to your face what happened to the last guy who tried to pull this sort
of defamation and libel bullshit. Haven't seen him around lately, have
Gert Sidar wrote:
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
RV wrote:
I would like your name and address so I or my legal counsel can tell you
to your face what happened to the last guy who tried to pull this sort
of defamation and libel bullshit. Haven't seen
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Put up or shut up: list a validated page that fails to display
in Mozilla.
http://www.cnn.com/. Well, unless you need to do research on week-old
news for some reason, perhaps if you were a time traveller or
something. For
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And yet you still can't provide a working test case for it. It's a
pity. Have you tried deleting \cache yet like I told you to 3 days ago?
He still hasn't seen that request. Wait one more day ;)
Sorry.
JTK wrote:
BAHHAHHHAHAAA!!!
That is pure *GOLD* BABY YEAH!
Were you so zealous about quality when your company put in the market a
defective product that risks the lifes of many patients? I would like to
know how much you did to
RV wrote:
JTK wrote:
BAHHAHHHAHAAA!!!
That is pure *GOLD* BABY YEAH!
Were you so zealous about quality when your company put in the market a
defective product that risks the lifes of many patients? I would like to
know
And it came to pass that JTK wrote:
Were you so zealous about quality when your company put in
the market a defective product that risks the lifes of many
patients? I would like to know how much you did to correct
that matter.
I would like your name and address so I or my legal
Christopher Jahn wrote:
And it came to pass that JTK wrote:
Were you so zealous about quality when your company put in
the market a defective product that risks the lifes of many
patients? I would like to know how much you did to correct
that matter.
I would like your name
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
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Back in the whatfile? AOLzilla doesn't have a killfile. Oh, I
notice you don't appear to be using Mozilla... why is that Mr.
Jahn? Why is that?
I think it's so funny that you go from Maozilla to
DeMoN LaG wrote:
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
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Two things:
1. Regardless of what people are telling you, it's not a
standards battle. Mozilla is so poorly written that it simply
dies on most pages regardless of their
Arthur wrote:
You took the words right out of my mouth. Anyone good ideas for a JTK
Kill filter?
Still waiting for Mozilla to grow one. I'd expect to see it appear just
as soon as they get the broken cache fixed, add a simple context menu to
the email/news editor, and get something more
gavin long wrote:
Nobody's posted numbers recently, I'd love to see how low the percentage
is these days.
(source: http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm)
In the US : 0.75% of hits, and rising.
In the UK : 1.2% of hits, and rising.
For reference, Opera has 0.4% and 0.1%,
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Not with 0.75% market share and stagnating you can't.
I recently even convinced my brother to move.
And it's not yet final. The magical number. 1.0.
JTK wrote:
Microsoft has 95%+ of the market. They can display every site Mozilla
can and plenty it can't.
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/xhtml/20011026.xml
http://www.libpr0n.com
and, to a lesser extent
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html
--
They that can
And it came to pass that JTK wrote:
Christopher Jahn wrote:
And it came to pass that JTK wrote:
[snip]
Two things:
1. Regardless of what people are telling you, it's not a
standards battle. Mozilla is so poorly written that it
simply dies on most pages regardless of their
Geoff wrote:
http://www.abit.com.tw/
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60897
http://www.pcworld.co.uk
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88596
The Mozilla team know about the sites and have been sending letters to
their owners, which you can do too. There is not much
On Tue, 01 Jan 2002 15:55:37 +, Ian Thomas wrote:
Geoff wrote:
http://www.abit.com.tw/
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60897
http://www.pcworld.co.uk
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88596
The Mozilla team know about the sites and have been sending
was eloquently put and I am in the same category - I consider myself an
avid enthusiast;I absolutley admire this technology and those that have
the where-with-all to put all of this together for the rest of us to use
in our everyday work and recreation. One really interesting aspect of
all of
JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I just thought I'd add my 2c, and this is not a flame, the question
was eloquently put and I am in the same category - I consider myself an
avid enthusiast;I absolutley admire this technology and those
The best part of JTK ran down his mama's thigh.
While I have no love for JTK myself, can we try to keep things civilised
in here?
I don't know why he's allowed to post here - all he does is
denigrate the product and the Organizations goals.
The downside of freedom of speech,
JTK wrote:
But and rising? I don't think so - it was higher than this the last
time I saw some stats like a year ago. Not much mind you, but higher
than 0.75%.
Stats depend hugely upon how they are gathered. Anyone who thinks
otherwise is a fool.
Mozilla (including N6) from the US
Sören Kuklau wrote:
JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I just thought I'd add my 2c, and this is not a flame, the question
was eloquently put and I am in the same category - I consider myself an
avid enthusiast;I absolutley admire this
Where's your post?!
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Sören Kuklau wrote:
JS [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I just thought I'd add my 2c, and this is not a
Just a word of warning: When downloading nightlies you are using test
code and as such could encounter a bug that might cause damage to your data.
I keep my nightlies in their own directory and use a test profile and
only install landmark releases over my day to day mail/browser for use
on my
Sory hit send when trying to click options menu. I have since cancled
the message.
Sören Kuklau wrote:
Where's your post?!
snip
Sören Kuklau wrote:
Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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And how many search out the Opera part of the user agent? Some people
ID IE by looking for Mozilla/4.0 (compatible...) and ignore everything
else.
Whether that's true or
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01 Jan 2002:
http://www.cnn.com/. Well, unless you need to do research on
week-old news for some reason, perhaps if you were a time traveller
or something. For us more mundane types, we call it failing to
display
And yet you still can't provide a working test case for it. It's a
pity. Have you tried deleting \cache yet like I told you to 3 days ago?
He still hasn't seen that request. Wait one more day ;)
Sorry.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01 Jan 2002:
He still hasn't seen that request. Wait one more day ;)
Sorry.
If he next says that Mozilla's newsreader shows 4 day old information I
will truly feel sorry, for we will then realize that it is not a 4
Mozilla has 0.75% of the market. Why is that? Why Chris?
You're too shortsighted. You need to look ahead to an embedded world.
Do you understand how much marketshare embedding Mozilla into AOL and
Compuserve would bring? ~20%. Oh, and did you know that many Compaq
computers just started
Got my name changed officially today, it's now Blake Ross. What do you
folks think?
(Yes, that was user error.)
Blake
news.mozilla.org wrote:
Mozilla has 0.75% of the market. Why is that? Why Chris?
You're too shortsighted. You need to look ahead to an embedded world. Do
you
gavin long wrote:
JTK wrote:
But and rising? I don't think so - it was higher than this the last
time I saw some stats like a year ago. Not much mind you, but higher
than 0.75%.
Stats depend hugely upon how they are gathered. Anyone who thinks
otherwise is a fool.
Mozilla
You took the words right out of my mouth. Anyone good ideas for a JTK
Kill filter?
On 31-12-2001 7:13, DeMoN LaG made an attempt to write...
Oh shut up already. I *really* wish this weren't an open source project
right now, so they could ban you permanently. You do nothing but
disrupt,
I yesterday even convinced my brother (!) to try out Mozilla, and guess
what, first response was OMG! It's COOL! and he's still searching for real
disadvantages.
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Geoff wrote:
[snip]
Thanks both to
Nobody's posted numbers recently, I'd love to see how low the percentage
is these days.
(source: http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm)
In the US : 0.75% of hits, and rising.
In the UK : 1.2% of hits, and rising.
For reference, Opera has 0.4% and 0.1%, respectively.
As always, these
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:06:38 +, David W. Fenton wrote:
To be honest, I used to encounter far more unusable pages with NS 4.x
than I do with Mozilla. And with proper stylesheet support, everything
just looks better in Mozilla, too.
I absolutely agree that when Moz can display a page at
Not quite: No matter what you choose in Opera's Identify as:, it always
includes Opera/version in the user agent string.
Helge Hielscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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gavin long wrote:
For reference, Opera has 0.4% and 0.1%,
Geoff wrote:
Unfortunately, so far as needing to fire up other browsers to view pages
is concerned, my experience is obviously different from yours. I don't
expect you to spend time visiting these sites, but to take just two recent
examples :
http://www.abit.com.tw/
bad browser sniffing, it
Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:46:58 +, Albert wrote:
Geoff wrote:
Hi,
This post is *not* a complaint. I have nothing but admiration and
gratitude for the developers of moz, galeon, and opera, all of
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:36:40 +, Travis Crump wrote:
Geoff wrote:
Unfortunately, so far as needing to fire up other browsers to view pages
is concerned, my experience is obviously different from yours. I don't
expect you to spend time visiting these sites, but to take just two
recent
Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:36:40 +, Travis Crump wrote:
Geoff wrote:
(2) What is bad about layers? Are they in some sense dangerous (which
seems unlikely to me, but maybe I am wrong), or do they simply
Geoff wrote:
(1) Am I right in thinking that there is nothing that Moz could ever do to
correct the bad sniffing problem? In other words, if a site sends stuff
that is obviously intended for NS is there simply no way that Moz could
default to NS behaviour - not even with a whole lot of
Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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(1) Am I right in thinking that there is nothing that Moz could ever do to
correct the bad sniffing problem? In other words, if a site sends stuff
that is obviously intended for NS is there simply no
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:13:17 +, Johnny Yen wrote:
Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:36:40 +, Travis Crump wrote:
Geoff wrote:
(2) What is bad about layers? Are they in some sense dangerous
(which seems
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:31:37 +, Christian Biesinger wrote:
Geoff wrote:
(1) Am I right in thinking that there is nothing that Moz could ever do
to correct the bad sniffing problem? In other words, if a site sends
stuff that is obviously intended for NS is there simply no way that Moz
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:39:15 +, Sören Kuklau wrote:
Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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But ... proprietory or not, standard or not, IE supports them
No, does not.
(or at least it can render the pages I mentioned)
Yes: These
Sören Kuklau wrote:
Not quite: No matter what you choose in Opera's Identify as:, it always
includes Opera/version in the user agent string.
Helge Hielscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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gavin long wrote:
For reference, Opera has 0.4%
Travis Crump wrote:
snip--
http://www.abit.com.tw/
bad browser sniffing, it is pretending that Mozilla is NS4 which is bad.
Mozilla is not compatible with NS4, it is compatible with the current
standards.. It also uses layers which is also very bad.
Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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This is the heart of the matter.
Yes, it is.
I think that most of use here would accept that we are engaged in a
conflict with M$.
Concerning operating systems, there's Mac OS and Linux against M$'s
Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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And how many search out the Opera part of the user agent? Some people
ID IE by looking for Mozilla/4.0 (compatible...) and ignore everything
else.
Whether that's true or not, this behaviour would be
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:57:26 +, Sören Kuklau wrote:
snip
And I appreciate that people like you have another point of view. It's a
tough matter, and I think a similar thing was in mid-98, when Apple
introduced the iMac. It had no floppy drive, no SCSI, no ADB, and so
on - before that,
Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Well, that seems an excellent analogy Soren,
thanks :-)
and I have learned much from this thread. I can only wish the Tech
Evangelists good fortune.
Yes, me too. It's an important task, and difficult
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:07:29 +, Sören Kuklau wrote:
Even so, I am lucky enough to be able to pay for
my
software
if I need to - I support open source because it is better not because
it is cheaper - and I would willingly pay top dollar for a linux
Moz-like browser that could render
Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I understand - just wishful-thinking on my part really.
Yes, I see.
What can be done is to use the engine but not use other stuff like XUL,
XPFE, etc. which some consider bloat. The result would be
And it came to pass that Geoff wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:46:58 +, Albert wrote:
Geoff wrote:
Hi,
This post is *not* a complaint. I have nothing but
admiration and gratitude for the developers of moz, galeon,
and opera, all of which I use. I am not a fluent
programmer and I do
And it came to pass that JTK wrote:
Geoff wrote:
[snip]
Thanks both to Jonas and to you Albert. As I said, I was
looking for an explanation, not making a criticism, and
that holds good. Even so, and speaking as someone who has
invested much time and effort in ridding his business of
And it came to pass that JTK wrote:
Geoff wrote:
[snip]
Thanks both to Jonas and to you Albert. As I said, I was
looking for an explanation, not making a criticism, and
that holds good. Even so, and speaking as someone who has
invested much time and effort in ridding his business of
Hi,
This post is *not* a complaint. I have nothing but admiration and
gratitude for the developers of moz, galeon, and opera, all of which I
use. I am not a fluent programmer and I do not pretend to understand
javascript. I would, however, be really grateful if someone could explain,
in terms
Geoff wrote:
Hi,
This post is *not* a complaint. I have nothing but admiration and
gratitude for the developers of moz, galeon, and opera, all of which I
use. I am not a fluent programmer and I do not pretend to understand
javascript. I would, however, be really grateful if someone
Geoff wrote:
Hi,
This post is *not* a complaint. I have nothing but admiration and
gratitude for the developers of moz, galeon, and opera, all of which I
use. I am not a fluent programmer and I do not pretend to understand
javascript. I would, however, be really grateful if someone could
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoff) wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
This post is *not* a complaint. I have nothing but admiration and
gratitude for the developers of moz, galeon, and opera, all of
which I use. I am not a fluent programmer and I do not pretend to
understand javascript. I would, however, be
Geoff wrote:
[snip]
Thanks both to Jonas and to you Albert. As I said, I was looking for an
explanation, not making a criticism, and that holds good. Even so, and
speaking as someone who has invested much time and effort in ridding his
business of M$ products, I am left wondering about
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 30 Dec 2001:
Two things:
1. Regardless of what people are telling you, it's not a
standards battle. Mozilla is so poorly written that it simply
dies on most pages regardless of their standardness, and the
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