an write off the grassroots
supporters and only need the big money people at this point.
Like, who's going to run against Rybak next election anyway?
Lisa? The only way she could win is if there's a major
disaster or indictments. I think that R.T. could have
an affair with an i
ribution requirement was
dropped for the New Year's party I am sure that most attendees
would make the contribution regardless. I would suggest to the
Mayor that the power gained by brushing elbows is quite fleeting
(just ask the former mayor) and the slope gets slippery the higher
you climb.
igin: 7.9%
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Just what would be the correct ethnic distribution
that you would find satisfactory and why?
If we assume that Minneapolis has the ideal
multi-ethnic mix, does that imply that Chief
Olson has excellent community management
skills?
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-busting, job-exporting, benefits slashing).
An alternative to more freeways to provide access to
remote businesses is Internet shopping. In the days
before automobiles many types of products and services
were centrally distributed (e.g., Sears Catalog). Today
UPS Delivers and so does Simon.
Mi
hence the need for traffic calming.
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news article: "What are the goals of these suggested
reorganizations?" I can think of two primary ones:
1) Financial solvency;
2) Academic achievement.
I think that it is important to focus discussion on
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philosophical influences has
it just crept in unawares?
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who are less successful. Without special programs
many parents would be forced to move to the suburbs or pay for
private schooling. Profess global thinking, act locally.
I believe that vouchers or quality public schools are the
only ways to avoid this hypocrisy.
Basic point: Provide opportunit
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> of your posted quotes. EdWatch is an extremely conservative
> organization. You might want to check out their staff before
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> is t
th" and "fact..." Mr. O'Neal might also pose the same
question to his daughter. Other list members might have fun testing
their own critical thinking skills. You don't have to agree with
the perspective just be able to identify it.
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nt a contrary perspective even if
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This is in contrast to the BASIC skills tests our high school
graduates are expected to complete. Perhaps we can learn something
from the IB program other than all truth is relative.
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nity for positive reform was missed by
failing to negotiate concessions from the teachers' union,
but once again the responsibility for this lies with the
school board not Mr. Jennings.
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of our own school board or the parents who are opting out
of a failing system. You might also blame our State
Legislature for shifting the tax burden and restructuring
school financing, but you should not impugn the NCLB law.
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give parents time to complete the conversion.
If there is any one overriding moral to this story it's that
the NRP process is flawed if it allows a neighborhood to ignore
warnings and fund $1,000,000 worth of renovations in a building is
then put up for sale.
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of this wrong.]
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costs significantly more to run
then I would agree with closing them. I also believe that
there are some problems with the neighborhood school program.
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You also need to look at the turn over rates in the
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before we can draw any conclusions.
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Neal Krasnoff wrote:
> On Feb 20, 2004, at 5:52 PM, Michael Atherton wrote:
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> > I agree, it would be a nice complement to the city's resolution
> > on civil liberties.
> >
>
> The ends justify the means.
No, more that the means justifies the
o achieve political objectives, but I've since
learned that, for some people, the means are subordinate to the ends,
that ethics are situationally relative, and that by moving into
a neighborhood one is expected to subjugate their values to
the will of the most vocal.
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s must take the responsibility for
insuring that the public schools work for everyone, not just for
them.
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Charter schools can hire who they want, as long as they hold
the proper state certifications. They are not subject to the
same union contracts as the MPS. Which is an advantage that
the School Board should have thought about before signing a
new contract.
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st what he knows, it must be more than I do for him
to criticize Chief McManus' actions so strongly (or is
he just acting as a front man for the union?). Maybe
we should wait for more information before drawing
conclusions.
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made in Minneapolis and a lot more with who pulls the strings. As
I mentioned earlier, it will be interesting to see who pulls the
strings to Save Pratt. There is hope for Pratt though, our council
member's wife is on the Pratt Task Force. Given the Ostrows'
position this should
erted to such uses. It's not only
Amsterdam, how many of you know that prostitution is
also legal in Germany?
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do what I did, get out of the swamp. It's not
a battle you can win, nor can the Federal, State, or City
governments or the U.S. military win it for you. It's a
lost cause, just like Vietnam. It's just taking us a lot
longer to admit it. And, look out because the country that we
r
ee to correct me if I'm wrong).
It also seems to me that bus drivers are overpaid for
their skills and the demands of the job. I recall that they
make $20 dollars an hour. Is this correct?
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s currently have one. The More, More, More cycle of
the Seventies is not good for the General Welfare it leaves
the poor standing by the side of the road. Which I think is
an apt metaphor for the current situation.
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are several good private schools there is
no guarantee our children will be accepted.
I would be happy to join an online discussion
on this topic, but would also like to hear
from you personally if you want to reply offline.
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Hi,
Does anyone know of a good place to buy
creative Easter Baskets in Minneapolis?
Preferably with some neat toys and not
too much candy.
Thanks.
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me that many of the discussants hold positions that are
untenable: 1) non-smokers who believe that they are justified
in imposing their morality on others and 2) smokers who believe
that their right allows them to cause harm to others.
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d. At a minimum,
businesses could provide smoking parlors that could insure
that smoke does not reach the lungs of non-smokers. Regardless,
I think that we should let the market to determine if such options
are feasible.
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ts to smoke whenever or wherever one
> pleases, then there is no real moral, ethical, social, or
> political justification to use as a veil (dare I say
> smokescreen?) -- one simply wants to smoke at will.
The influence of Big Tobacco only weakens a libertarian
argument if they lie about the eff
Mark Snyder wrote:
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> > Here is my argument. If you are correct that it is not
> > technologically or financially feasible, then offering
> > businesses with permits costs little
Proposal: Grant smoking permits to bars and restaurants
that install ventilation systems that reduce the risks
of secondhand smoke to close to zero. This might be
expensive, but I'm sure the technology exists or could
be developed.
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interrupted by applause.
He continued: 'More training, more career choices, and more
options for education. And we must ask more in return. That's
the bargain.' And there was silence."
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I agree with Kerry, we must ask for more in return.
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eresting to see if the DFL fronts another
all White set of candidates -again- and fails to endorse
the only minority school board member. Of course they
could chose a token more likely to follow the party line.
Unbelievable. The DFL has certainly come a long way since
the Sixties.
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s from ourselves, we
have religion for that. I just don't want your *religious*
convictions protecting me, thank you very much.
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injustice of the status quo seem to have been enough to
withhold a party endorsement.
I don't think that explicit discussions of race are necessary
to infer a lack of concern about equality and social
justice from a political party whose platform is suppos
has nothing
to do with the fact that the remaining candidate was African
American. But of course, I don't want to start any rumors
on my own given how susceptible people are to them.
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internal combustion engine should be cited for polluting
the air and negatively impacting those around them.
There would be no gas stations, few power plants, and
very little industry.
> You want anarchy? Go somewhere else.
Who said anything about anarchy? I was arguing for the protectio
at I might injure someone while operating
a vehicle?
> In other words "Me IS We, especially if you think "We" is "Me."
I suppose that this is our fundamental difference. I believe that
you can only provide for the General Welfare by honoring the
Rights of individu
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if they wanted to stay or leave.
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she seems willing. Not to endorse any Black candidate, and leave open
the possibility that there will be a School Board without a Black member
in a district of 42% Black students, is an insult to the African American
community given the DFL's stated commitment to Affirmative Action.
Personally,
y valid
and still misrepresent their implications.
2. It shows that even groups espousing "good" causes
can use unscrupulous methods to try and achieve their
ends.
3. It shows that the news media often doesn't take the
time to present balanced arguments to the public.
Michael Ather
trade more government
> control of smoking for less government control of some
> current aspect of our lives in which they intrude. It _is_ a
> slippery slope, and a smoking ban is on that slope, but the
> amount of persuasion, measured in years and money, spent by
> the tobacco
r, then why not their editor?
> I think it's a valid "which way the wind is blowing"
> measurement for how Minneapolis residents feel about smoking.
> Accurate to 3 decimal places? No.
If we allowed our decisions to determined by "which way the
wind is blowing&
e only way
to maintain a consistent moral philosophy, without relying
on the will of gods or goddesses.
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gt; endangered, is not private choice.
What if businesses insure that others' health is not endangered?
> We just have to get on with it and do it.
Unpleasant as it might be to the people who don't agree with you.
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cigarettes might
burn a little faster). Do not provide service in
these rooms to insure that employees are not exposed to smoke.
If you want to do this with class do it with glass walls so that
patrons can see out and others can see in. We can nickname
them "fishbowls."
Okay, it'
d of the Free" where our Puritan ancestors and
their descendents still enforce their dated morality on us.
Just for interest sake I'm providing a link to a café in
Amsterdam. It might take a while to download, but if you
magnify it a little you'll be able to see the marijuana pl
e worried
about smoke? Why can't people be allowed to sit
comfortably have a coffee, a smoke, and a newspaper?
No one is forced, there are no feet on butts, only
butts in ashtrays.
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allow smoking
and discourage customers. If there really are so many people who
would prefer non-smoking establishments it shouldn't take long before
the clubs get the idea and convert.
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can terrorize.
I don't see any justification to progress past level 2. The only
reason that I think people are pushing for a ban, is because they
haven't been able produce change via Avenue 1 and it doesn't
appear that anyone has even attempted to promote change via Avenue
2 yet.
Mic
't play in one then maybe
it's time to branch out a little. Come to think of it
(if I was single), I'd only want to go to non-smoking bars
anyway because it'd be more likely to meet people who don't
smoke.
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ban smoking. If
employees are worried about they health they should be allowed
to protect themselves. However, given how tentative the
research is in terms of known probabilities of risk, I don't think
that many would opt to.
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are
free to indulge their habits in peace?
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put a positive spin on a failing
system. I'd like to hear why the school board believe that
these candidates will be effective.
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signed for even small bars and restaurants using
creative interior design. It should be possible to
create such rooms using glass walls that could be as
small as four booths or tables. In fact, the smaller
the area the easier it would be to ventilate.
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that businesses be required to providing smoking-rooms. Smoking-rooms
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business owner just happens to love smokers.
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that the goal of the superintendent search
is to find another lackey to maintain the status quo.
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ycle of failure.
I may be becoming overly cynical, but I don't think that the
major players here want change. Whenever you look at the critical
factors that might have a positive impact on achievement and that
research has shown to promote academic achievement, nothing much
changes.
Micha
as a new
report stating that far fewer people were murdered in the name
of God than had previously been though. What a relief!]
One thought for R.T., if smoking rooms are permitted there
will most likely be far fewer people smoking by doorways and
polluting the fresh air. A benefit for me since I can&
ar about whether they are proposing a total smoking
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smokers non-smokers are accommodated.
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e people; it's worked for me for thirty years.]
However...I have little tolerance for people, who because of their
own weaknesses or their own suffering, need to regulate the
behavior of others.
I would appreciate it if Mr. Driscoll would explain why
smoking-rooms are not a reasonable compro
Constance Nompelis wrote:
> Please-please-please do NOT cut Police.
Is it too late to shift funding from the NRP
to the Police Dept.?
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les (although they probably should). An analogy
of smoking rooms to automobiles would be for risky drivers
to only be allowed to drive dangerously only on roadways that
are not connected to rest of the highway system (of course
they'd also have to drive non-polluting cars as well).
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for intruding on the choices of individuals when those
choices don't directly impact others. Just who is going
to choose for us? The majority? Democracies are only
just when the rights of minorities are protected.
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> On 6/23/04 3:18 PM, "Michael Atherton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > An analogy of smoking rooms to automobiles would be for risky
upon by
consensus. I also think that some non-smoking advocates may
be correct in suggesting that the emphasis on regional
solutions may just be diversionary.)
Please explain why smoking rooms, that would insure that
non-smokers are not exposed, are not a reasonable compromise.
Michael Atherton
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eap). Don't
forget that motorcycles, on the average, don't do as much harm
to others as automobiles and trucks. As far as I understand,
injuries to the driver of the motorcycles are not covered by
their liability insurance, they're covered by health insurance.
There are also other
. People should be free to indulge their
midlife crisis, but the government should not be responsible
for financing them.
Can the city ban motorcycle riding or require helmets?
I actually support public health care as being part of
the government's responsibility of providing for the
Gen
ither is the Pratt
building. The question is whether other public school parents
in the District want to pay to maintain an elementary school of 80
students as a sham excuse for preservation.
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> taking its properties to the pawn shop for short-term cash.
> The value of preservation alone would not necessarily support keeping
> open a school that is pouring money down a hole, were that the case,
> but it certainly is
e Hill who are appalled that someone would actually
challenge the misrepresentations being promoted by community
members. It's very un-Minnesotan to blatantly tell the
truth as opposed to going along with community mythology
and power structure.
> Michael Atherton has been involved in
rents,"
or "It's Poverty") the drop in test scores at
Pratt is just what you'd expect given an increase
in the proportion of minority students. An augment
that I don't agree with. What it says to me is
that the teaching methods you use for middle
class kids do not necess
stics about how much credit can be attributed
to Ms. Peebles' contribution to the rise in test scores in
Providence, but for the most part I'm willing to give her
a chance to actually have some impact here...are you?
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else are they to assess competence...testing?
Is the testing of teachers with seniority allowed under the current
contract? What are the other options?
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truggle for equality of effect, I think that the cultural challenges
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rights movement.
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International quality education, let's face up to our problems
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Dan McGuire responded:
> Michael Atherton had said:
> > The teachers themselves, their union, the school board,
> > the DFL, and parents. All of them are responsible for a
> > contract that places their personal convenience before quality
> > education and the need
gt; Minneapolis public education.while negotiating a probable
> contract with a new administrator. We are cutting schools
> and teachers to a certain budget level but have not decided
> on why we are educating the kids at all.
I thought that was what the former Educational Commissioner
g sharing, kindness, generosity, tolerance, and
helpfulness are the only components necessary. I would
add discipline, structure, and competition.
> Get the picture?
Not really. I think that your picture is incomplete.
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I think that you
might be old enough to remember that JFK's religion was an important
issue in his election (he was Catholic). Don't forget all of those
White folks that killed each other in the Civil War.
It is only the intervening years that have dulled the salience
of our "differe
the rationale for changes.
>
> Very bad traffic planning and public relations.
Federal regulations aside, it may not be possible to satisfy the
constraints for both LRT and autos. I think that it's not that
difficult of a problem to model, if you can get the constraints
right. I'd
ty that allows individuals to force their values
and preferences on other people. There will soon be a little
less liberty in the City of Minneapolis. What a surprise! :-o
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consistency with
forcing your morals onto others is that your ability to do
so lasts only as long as your power; you have no recourse to
the higher moral ground in your own defense.
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harmful for others as well as yourself.
As to the lack of morality (I guess people don't see the irony
of claming the limiting of other people's behavior is not
an expression of morality): any judgment involving the up
t the Tribune has not reported on
how well smoking rooms are working in Vancouver, BC
(maybe I just missed it).
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I have to admit that the smoking ban will make dinning out more
pleasant, too bad that it has to come at the expense of other
people choices.
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tell us herself, not leave it
for other members of her party to clean up after her.
What's most amazing to me about this fiasco is that her constituents
are, in all likelihood, going to brush this ethical lapse aside and
reelect her for another term, which says almost as much about their
eth
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children to Tuttle.
If you want a "custom" personally designed school tailored
to your own particular needs and desires State Law already
provides a recourse: public charter schools. I don't think
that it is reasonable to expect the District to accommodate
100 students when they ha
t for it
to work you have to respect the rights and choices of others.
My philosophy will never be popular because so many
people are unwilling to give up their power to force
their morality and values on others. Gay marriage
and smoking are just two of many examples.
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Michael Atherton wrote:
> PPERRIA unwisely invested $1,500,000 in a project with no
> written contract.
Sorry, this should have said, "...no written contract to
insure that the school stayed open." I believe that
PPERRIA did have contracts to specify that what work
was to be
res certain rules with which its members are expected to
> comply.
Certainly societies need laws, but laws are not needed when
people's behavior and choices has no direct impact anyone else.
The need for additional laws is only driven by your need to
force what you feel is "corr
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