Re: html mail
13-May-02 at 06:35, Mike Arrison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Hello, > Having come from pine, I'm used to html mail being rendered by > lynx or links or something automatically. When I view an html mail in > Mutt, it says "[-- text/html is unsupported (use 'v' to view this part) > --]". Is there something I can do to tell Mutt to render html with lynx > or links? Yes. Search for autoview and mailcap in the Mutt manual. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:14.21% see www.mersenne.org] Recognizing disagreements in belief requires having enough agreements in belief to translate or understand the words and deeds of my opponent. -- Anthony O'Hear (combining, somewhat, several modern philosophers).
Re: How does mutt send mail?
07-May-02 at 11:55, John Poltorak ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > I'm trying to discover why mutt seems to take so much longer to send an > email after I moved my mail server to a different machine, but I can't > work out how mutt interacts with sendmail... It calls it as most programs do, via /path/to/sendmail (options) I don't know what the default options are, but you can force them in .muttrc with set sendmail="/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -oem" Or whatever else you want. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:8.410% see www.mersenne.org] Note to experienced users: Please don't encourage anti-support behavior. Don't try to answer questions from users who don't provide the necessary information. Guessing what they did is an incredible waste of time. (DJB)
Re: How to select/move more than one mail to another folder?
06-May-02 at 22:18, Oliver Fuchs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Hi all, > I have a question regarding the movement of mails in my mbox. How do I > manage to move more than one mail (step by step with C) to another > folder (mailbox). How can I mark more than one mail and tell mutt to > move (copy) the selcted mails to this folder? Hi Use tagging. For example, if your key bindings are the default: Key Function t ... as many times as necessary ... ts (Tag-save) Then choose your folder. You can automatically tag several messages at once with T Read the manual for patterns. They are basically regular expressions, but you have tilde (~) expansions for from (~f) To (~t) etc. Regards, -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:8.050% see www.mersenne.org] In a time of universal lies, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: newbie
06-May-02 at 16:55, Simon White ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > 06-May-02 at 11:34, Mike Arrison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > Howdy, > > I'm currently using pine, and would like to switch to mutt. The > > major stumbling block I'm hitting is finding a simple muttrc file to learn > > from. I've seen the huge ones on mutt.org, but what I'm looking for is a > > 10 liner or something to get me started. Can anybody point me in the > > right direction here? > > There are loads out there. Your best bet (.muttrc with Pine keystrokes > included) -> http://www.dotfiles.com/ http://www.dotfiles.com/index.php3?app_id=27 for the Mutt specific ones -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:6.030% see www.mersenne.org] When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people; the giant triplets of racism, militarism, and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered. -- Martin Luther King
Re: newbie
06-May-02 at 11:34, Mike Arrison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Howdy, > I'm currently using pine, and would like to switch to mutt. The > major stumbling block I'm hitting is finding a simple muttrc file to learn > from. I've seen the huge ones on mutt.org, but what I'm looking for is a > 10 liner or something to get me started. Can anybody point me in the > right direction here? There are loads out there. Your best bet (.muttrc with Pine keystrokes included) -> http://www.dotfiles.com/ -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:6.020% see www.mersenne.org] How to ask Questions the Smart Way, by Eric S. Raymond. Including before you ask, when you ask, how to interpret answers, and on not reacting like a loser -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Re: About wrapping lines.
01-May-02 at 14:18, Jussi Ekholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > I know, that Mutt can wrap the lines on pager and such forth, but > what about before it sends the message to editor for replying? I've > set the $smart_wrap, and I searched the manual through with a word > 'wrap', but couldn't find a solution. Or should this be the editor's > job? I just don't like to enable wrapping in Emacs itself, because > I hate it when the editor handles the line length. I'm such a > controllive person... :-) It's an editor's job, not Mutt's. Mutt will deliver exactly what your editor spits out (plus some headers, perhaps). I can't edit something with no wrapping, with words split over two lines. -- Simon White.
Re: mailbox read only
01-May-02 at 10:38, Willy S ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > hi, > > Yesterday I was playing with my procmailrc, and spambouncer. Since then, I can > not delete the mail in my mailbox (/var/spool/mail/sutrisno). The message at > the bottom of Mutt says: "Mailbox is read-only." There is a toggle read-only in mutt, usually mapped to %. You didn't hit that by mistake, did you? -- I'm at home. Sig is at work.
Re: [Announce] mutt-1.3.99 is out
02-May-02 at 02:21, Thomas Roessler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Mutt-1.3.99 is available from <ftp://ftp.mutt.org/pub/mutt/>. There > should be no significant changes against 1.3.28, except for some > minor bug fixes, and build fixes concerning environments which are > iconv-impaired. Please test this versin thoroughly. It's, > obviously, intended to be the Very Last Beta Before 1.4 (TM). I'm waiting for 1.3.99.1 ;-) -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:99.30% see www.mersenne.org] All this talk about everyone being connected to the Internet by the year ignores the simple fact that a large number of people in the world are fighting for survival.
Re: quotes -> set attribution=`script`
19-Apr-02 at 11:58, Rob 'Feztaa' Park ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > I forgot why you want to pass the date to the script, though. What's so > special about your attribution that it can't be a simple "%n wrote:"? It was along these lines, IIRC: If (date written=today) then quote normal attribution Else quote some other attribution... -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:79.78% see www.mersenne.org] Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -- Dr. Seuss [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: AW: IMAP to Exchange
David T-G (1st level) and Mutt-Users (2nd level)... > % I already searched the newsgroups concerning imap and mutt and didn´t find >anything helpful. > % But i am seeking to read my mailinglists and news on exchange with my mutt. > > Unless you can come up with how it's already been done, I don't expect > that you'll find it. Public Folders and news are not the same as mail. Hello I got IMAP with Exchange working with PINE before I was enlightened. I could get all my mail folders working nicely, but not Public Folders (not much anyway, although I could see some mail header-like data) and the Calendar stuff. Appointments are email messages with a body that can be parsed for the information required. There is even a PERL script on the 'net somewhere that converts these to iCal appointments. On Mailing Lists: You may be able to get these to work. Since I have no interest in getting Mutt or any other IMAP client to work with this, I can't help you further, but look at this which I found in a quick hunt: http://www.extundo.com/gnus-imap/buggy-imap-servers.html There is reference to an IMAP implementation because it is in coding an IMAP backend that the person who wrote this page come up with it, the command: 57 SELECT "Public Folders/Mailing lists/Ionific internal discussion" appears to work, albeit with buggy flags. You may need to "escape" spaces from your shell to get these working? For those of you who won't surf to that page, I don't suppose there is any need to tell you that Exchange's IMAP bugs take more space than any other server on the list ;-) On Public Folders: The problem is that Public Folders are not mailboxes; they don't follow standards. They use some kind of mailbox header-like style, but are not browsable via an IMAP client. Not even Outlook Express IMAP mode has code hacked into it to speak properly with Exchange. Exchange as a mail server barely has POP and IMAP connectivity working properly, but anything else is just a large waste of your time. If you must use Exchange and browse all that stuff, I suggest Evolution with the Ximian Connector for Exchange. Apparently that works pretty well, however of note is the announcement from www.slipstick.com: "Ximian Connects UNIX/Linux PIM to Exchange 2000 Ximian Connector is now available to connect the Ximian PIM for UNIX and Linux desktops to Exchange 2000. The Ximian user interface is very similar to Outlook's and, with the connector, provides access to all data in a user's mailbox except Journal and Notes folders. Group scheduling and other collaboration features are built in. It does not, however, provide support for Exchange public folders or out-of-office messages. (27 Mar)" Interesting, Public Folders are therefore strange beasts... Notes: Exchange keeps all your mail (even if separated into folders) in one huge .pst file. Maybe Exchange 2000 has changed this structure but it was certainly the case for 5.5. Conclusion: Exchange is just another Windows share on the network /pretending/ to be a mail server ;-) -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:79.19% see www.mersenne.org] When the bosses talk about improving productivity, they are never talking about themselves. [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
[OT] using mutt like OE -> KILL
18-Apr-02 at 22:42, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > this also earns you a > line in my killfile. I checked up on Google "Sven Guckes" killfile to remind myself about killfiles and work out what this actually meant. Sven, all your pages are access forbidden, and I see you are redirecting people to the Google cached versions. What happened to the webserver? > -- > "Jr arrq xvyysvyrf gung npghnyyl *xvyy*!" I thought you weren't happy about seeing that quoted, and now you are quoting it yourself... -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:79.26% see www.mersenne.org] Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. -- Diderot EBG13, rnfl jvgu Ivz, V org n ybg bs crbcyr fgvyy qba'g trg vg gubhtu!
Re: fork() ?
17-Apr-02 at 10:23, Nico Schottelius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > okay, this will be what I will do soon, but I am wondering why we shouldn't > allow mutt to fork out the pop process. POP3 support seems to be more of an afterthought. Most people who use POP to access their mailboxes swear by fetchmail. Mutt is principally for accessing local spool files, and has reasonable IMAP support too. It would be a shift in the philosophy of Mutt, as I understand it, for Mutt to have full POP support. Problems people have had with POP that I have seen have consistently been told to use fetchmail. There is of course the argument that as soon as native POP support is included in the source tree for Mutt, then it should be a good implementation. That is a question for the developers. The current development team have other priorities for Mutt (and possibly other projects), but if someone wanted to implement POP downloading with forks and so on, then there's nothing stopping them. Already a number of patches are available to extend Mutt functionality... it's your call, if you can improve the POP support, I suppose. Not really my place to say much more than that, until I learn to code in C ;-) -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:76.07% see www.mersenne.org] Recognizing disagreements in belief requires having enough agreements in belief to translate or understand the words and deeds of my opponent. -- Anthony O'Hear (combining, somewhat, several modern philosophers).
Re: forward message
16-Apr-02 at 08:27, David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > ...and then Eduardo Gargiulo said... > % > % Which variable should i edit to customize the lines > % > % - Forwarded message from x --- > % . > % - End forwarded message - > % > % appended when i forward a message? I want to remove the From: header. > > If you haven't yet looked through the manual for "forward" to at least > try to find it, shame on you. > > If you have, how could you have missed forward_quote at 6.3.54? IIRC, the variable forward_quote sets the indent string. The actual strings "Forwarded message from" and "End forwarded message" cannot be changed, bar changing them in the source and recompiling. i.e., there is no "$forward_attribution" I looked into hacking the source and providing a patch, but as it was not essential for me, I decided to leave it aside. Especially since I have no working knowledge of C, so I have to search for code that does the right thing and screw around with it, and heaven knows whether that will give the best approach :) -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:74.84% see www.mersenne.org] Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along. -- John Lennon.
Re: [OT] cc: poster vs reply-only-to-list
11-Apr-02 at 12:21, David Champion ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > begin 755 soapbox > I haven't noticed this list to be different from any other in this > regard, except that Sven is rabid about this topic and posts to this > list a lot. Yeah, agree there. Did Sven catch his rabid attitude from some rabid mutt? ;-) > The sweeping convention over all I've ever seen is to reply to the list > and to the poster. If the poster doesn't like that, the poster can > use duplicate ID processing, or MFT headers, or whatever to evade the > duplicates -- but in any case, it's not divine manifest never to cc: > the poster. In other lists I subscribe to, I would say this is generally the case. > Moreover, I'm not sure how custom on a particular list means that you > shouldn't cc: a person who asked to be cc:ed. If this were a different > list, you would cc: him upon request? I always hit L to reply to lists, and hope that Mutt will reply as intended. This usually means a CC: to the person that posted as long as they set up their headers that way. The inherent advantage of a CC: is that the poster usually gets replies back quicker if directly CCd to him, since mailing list servers (certainly of big lists) usually have a delivery lag of a few minutes. At least from where I'm sitting. > The reasons for wanting to be copied are several (or many), and are not > limited to "I'm not on the list" -- which would, IMO, be sufficient > reason to comply anyway. I don't like non list members just hopping in and hoping to be replied back to directly, because this is not far from people replying back to ME rather than the list if they have any questions. This is what I most object to, and this is why I would prefer they were ON the list in the first place. > I don't particularly want to harp on it any more than usual, but I had > to take exception to the idea that this list is different from others. #!/bin/sh if (all_lists_are_unique) # this is the same as saying if 1=1, no? then this list is different from others fi or #!/bin/sh lists=`ls ~/Mail/Lists` for list in $lists do if (netiquette:mutt-users ne netiquette:$list) then The list $list has different "rules" than mutt-users ;-) fi done Enough timewasting with scripts that won't ever execute anyway. Anyways I agree that there is a general overriding netiquette which is not the same as any pet peeves of mutt-users "personalities"... Simon. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:67.13% see www.mersenne.org] Recognizing disagreements in belief requires having enough agreements in belief to translate or understand the words and deeds of my opponent. -- Anthony O'Hear (combining, somewhat, several modern philosophers).
Re: Outlook pst import: What file format should I use?
11-Apr-02 at 10:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > I've figured out how to convert Outlook mailboxes. There are filters within > Outlook to do this. They give the following choices for converted format: > > -Comma seperated values (DOS) > -Comma seperated values (Windows) > -dBase > -Microsoft Access > -Microsoft Excel > -Microsoft FoxPro > -Tab Seperated Values (DOS) > > Which of these will work best to ultimately get into mbox format? None of the above. Better tools to do the job were discussed on the list today. Those values from Outlook look more like conversions for Address Books than mailboxes. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:67.00% see www.mersenne.org] The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet. [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: HTML Mail
11-Apr-02 at 12:55, Ian Chilton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > Sorry, no. Mailing lists are mailing lists. > > Participation is expected, not > > just one way communication. > > Actually, the custom is to reply to the person and CC to the list :-) Not on this list, if I take precedents I have seen from other members to be the netiquette for this list... > > however if you set it explicitly look at use_mailcap > > I can't find any reference to use_mailcap in the muttrc or man muttrc - > where is it please? In the manual, /usr/local/doc/mutt/manual.txt by default. > That's what I thought, but i'm running everythign as user ian, which is > who owns .mailcap: > > [ian@buzz:~]$ ls -la .mailcap > -rw-r--r-- 1 ian users 30 Apr 10 14:19 .mailcap Exactly the same permissions I have. Is links in the $PATH? -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:66.97% see www.mersenne.org] UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity. -- Dennis Ritchie [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: HTML Mail
11-Apr-02 at 12:01, Ian Chilton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Hello, > > Please reply direct to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, no. Mailing lists are mailing lists. Participation is expected, not just one way communication. > I am trying to get HTML mails to display with links. > > I have this: > > [ian@buzz:~]$ cat .mailcap > text/html; /usr/bin/links %s > > and these in .muttrc > set mailcap_path="~/.mailcap" > auto_view text/html For lynx I have:- text/html; lynx -force_html %s; needsterminal; I don't use auto_view or any settings in my muttrc and the mailcap works fine, however if you set it explicitly look at use_mailcap Could be a permissions issue with mutt being unable to read the mailcap file of course. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:66.77% see www.mersenne.org] /"\ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ /Respect for open standards X No HTML/RTF in email / \No M$ Word docs in email
Re: wrap text
09-Apr-02 at 15:55, Eduardo Gargiulo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Search the manual for "wrap" and see for yourself. Pay particular > > attention to $markers as well as $smart_wrap and $wrapmargin. > > I did it. I set smart_wrap and markers, but the manual don't say > nothing about wrapmargin. I'm using mutt 1.2.5i. Could wrapmargin be a > feature of newest mutt versions? 6.3.233. wrapmargin Type: number Default: 0 Controls the margin left at the right side of the terminal when mutt's pager does smart wrapping. My manual don't say nothing (i.e. it says something) about it. 1--1=2 -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:64.09% see www.mersenne.org] IDIOT, n - A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant and controlling. -- Ambrose Bierce [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: imap behavior
09-Apr-02 at 09:57, David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > % have the same calibre of client as you do, I imagine, since I'm in > % Morocco. Guru status can be rapidly acheived in a place where real Gurus > % all left and went to the US years ago ;-) > > Hmmm... Good point. Any room for more fish in that pond? :-) Plenty room in this pond. More dollars per capita in the US pond though ;-) my salary here makes work seem more like a hobby than anything else... but I'm learning fast and enjoying the ride so far. Until someone makes me an offer of course. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:63.86% see www.mersenne.org] Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. -- Abraham Lincoln [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: imap behavior
09-Apr-02 at 09:10, David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> Heh :-) While I'd love to, I'm usually just the scummy contractor
> brought in to help clean up the mess, and somehow that never involves
> properly trashing ("replace it with Linux!" "oh, shut up") or even
> properly configuring all of the Win stuff. No matter; there's always
> enough work to do on the *NIX side, anyway.
I get my own way as a contractor, as much as possible. But then I do not
have the same calibre of client as you do, I imagine, since I'm in
Morocco. Guru status can be rapidly acheived in a place where real Gurus
all left and went to the US years ago ;-)
--
[Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:63.83% see www.mersenne.org]
Not only does Jesus save, but he makes nightly off-site backups.
[Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: imap behavior
09-Apr-02 at 09:31, David Collantes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > On 04-09-2002 at 08:56 EDT, Simon White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] > > Set your server to automatically purge Deleted Messages. They won't ever > > use it to store mail again ;-) > [...] > > How are you accomplishing this? Is that a special IMAP server? I use IMAP > from Washington University and I don't have such option... I don't actually do it here, because IMAP is only for internal staff, others all use POP. However, it would be reasonably easy, if everyone's deleted messages folder was called "Deleted Messages" to run a cron job to purge messages every once in a while by going to each $HOME/mail or wherever else, and then deleting the file. You could even parse messages older than 1 week old, or something. Exchange has built in settings for this kind of stuff, and with 5.5 at least you must do some scheduled stuff to keep the mailboxes from corrupting - one big file with all the data cannot be left just growing and growing without pruning and watering. Sadly Microsoft products, supposedly to make your life easier, have such a sorry set of defaults that you have to hack (or click Advanced everywhere, at the very least) things to get them to work as well as out-of-the-box solutions on Linux, Solaris, Unix and even Mac OSX. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:63.82% see www.mersenne.org] Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: imap behavior
09-Apr-02 at 08:00, David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Your best bet is probably a trash folder implementation, where you throw > away messages that you don't really want to throw away (I've never > understood the Deleted Messages folder and why some people keep every > darned thing in there... It's a real hell for SysAdmins trying to manage > disk space!) into some other folder. Set your server to automatically purge Deleted Messages. They won't ever use it to store mail again ;-) I use IMAP and am very happy with Mutt's implementation. Deleted mail is marked D and goes away only if I sync. Why should I flag to delete and not want to delete that session? I will move it to another folder if it's for reading later, and just delete and be done with it if it is read and there is no action for it. I press $ a LOT. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:63.71% see www.mersenne.org] Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. -- Diderot [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: imap behavior
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 09:12:59PM -0800, VB wrote: > > > > I perused http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-6.html#commands and I did > > not see that mutt follows the MS Outlook conventions I described. I saw > > "mh_purge" is related to "renaming deleted messages," but it's not clear if > > this is what I am referring to. 08-Apr-02 at 23:23, David Rock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > In its simplest form: > > 6.3.32. delete > > Type: quadoption > Default: ask-yes > > Controls whether or not messages are really deleted when closing or > synchronizing a mailbox. If set to yes, messages marked for deleting > will automatically be purged without prompting. If set to no, > messages marked for deletion will be kept in the mailbox. The other question was related to "purge". This is mapped by default to $ in mutt, otherwise use mapped to whichever key you prefer. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:63.44% see www.mersenne.org] The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet. [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: undelete
08-Apr-02 at 09:21, VB ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Once I mark a message as deleted and exit mutt, where does it move the > message? I.e., is the message recoverable/undeletable after exiting mutt? Depends on your config a little, but in general if you have deleted a message, and when you exit you synchronise your mailbox, then the message is deleted. To have a trash folder requires patching or a specific set of hooks and general .muttrc tomfoolery Simon -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:62.35% see www.mersenne.org] All this talk about everyone being connected to the Internet by the year ignores the simple fact that a large number of people in the world are fighting for survival.
Re: OT: language-problem - krauts and kittys
05-Apr-02 at 20:37, Rocco Rutte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > Just like the dumb lady I was talking to once, who told me she was > > airing her room when I told her to close the window. > > ;-)) > > Via telephone? I can image what her face looked like when she was > wondering how the opened window should interfere with her computer... > ;-) > Yeah, on the phone. Luckily, because by the time she got back off hold there were tears in all the support guy's faces :) -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.70% see www.mersenne.org] Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
OT: language-problem - krauts and kittys
05-Apr-02 at 18:32, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > "Pfeife zerbrochen" Broken pipe, I suppose. This is nonetheless an interesting issue, since the translation out of context is correct. And, more to the point, any non technical English speaker would also be amused if Windows reported back "Broken Pipe" to them. Just like the dumb lady I was talking to once, who told me she was airing her room when I told her to close the window. Most techies, let's face it, speak /at least/ technical English. Just the same as most doctors. I live in a bilingual country, where everyone speaks Arabic and French; they CANNOT translate some terms at all, because they have a psychological block. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.68% see www.mersenne.org] Recognizing disagreements in belief requires having enough agreements in belief to translate or understand the words and deeds of my opponent. -- Anthony O'Hear (combining, somewhat, several modern philosophers). [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: gnupg signing w/ mutt
05-Apr-02 at 09:54, Peter T. Abplanalp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > perhaps a better anology would be i have two locks on my door, one a > combination lock and the other a key lock. if you can open one or the > other you can open my door. now since it is too much trouble for some > people to remember a combination, i give them a key. Yes I agree. You have made a much better analogy than mine. I am lazy, I often come up with half an analogy and wait for a better analogiser to come back and fix it hehe. > > Oh the travesty of Outlook. > > amen. but it is nice if you know nothing else. americans used to > think they had good chocolate but that was only because they hadn't > had swiss chocolate. And of course fresh Belgian chocolate, which can only be consumed in Belgium since it's good for 2 days only. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.68% see www.mersenne.org] If it dies, it's biology. If it blows up, it's chemistry, and if it doesn't work, it's physics. [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: gnupg signing w/ mutt
05-Apr-02 at 09:29, Peter T. Abplanalp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > generally speaking, i'd have to say i agree with you; however, the > people who are using outlook, generally speaking, are not very > technical and sometimes have trouble with anything that requires > knowledge of anything other than point-and-click and drag-and-drop. > this makes it difficult for me to correspond with them in a secure > manner. now, as we all know, msft isn't going to fix outlook so if i > want to correspond securly with outlook users, i need to try and > accomodate. PITA but there it is. Isn't that kinda like saying you have a door with 3 locks, but there are people who can't be bothered to use 3 keys, so you leave one open anyway so that those people can come into your secure environment with less than the required number of keys? OK, the security of the communications still holds, but the equipment (the keys here being physical objects, rather than cryptographic keys) is actually at fault. Oh the travesty of Outlook. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.68% see www.mersenne.org] History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. -- Napoleon Bonaparte [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: outgoingmail
03-Apr-02 at 13:22, David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > For more information, check the archives; a good start would be searching > for "ssmtp". You can find the archives via the mutt.org home page; > a few different ones are listed near the bottom. You can try nullmailer as well, this is supposedly simpler than ssmtp and more recently developed IIRC. Sendmail can be a "smart relay": http://www.sendmail.org/m4/masquerading.html If you want all outgoing mail to go to a central relay site, define SMART_HOST as well. Briefly: SMART_HOST applies to names qualified with other hosts. However, beware that other relays (e.g., UUCP_RELAY, BITNET_RELAY, DECNET_RELAY, and FAX_RELAY) take precedence over SMART_HOST, so if you really want absolutely everything to go to a single central site you will need to unset all the other relays -- or better yet, find or build a minimal config file that does this. This also looks reasonably useful: http://users.binary.net/dturley/linux/sendmail.html -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.27% see www.mersenne.org] IDIOT, n - A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant and controlling. -- Ambrose Bierce [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: How do you search to: header?
03-Apr-02 at 09:08, jennyw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > When I hit ? when it's listing all the messages, it doesn't show l for > limit. It does show the key binding for showing the active limit, though. > Do I just have a weird version? I'm using the one that's packaged for > Debian. Are you looking at the lower case and upper case values? They are different, l and L have different functions. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.26% see www.mersenne.org] Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along. -- John Lennon.
Re: How do you search to: header?
03-Apr-02 at 08:26, jennyw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Thanks to everyone for the help! > > Is there a place where the default key bindings are listed? For example, > l being the key for limit isn't in help. Thanks! It is. Right after k (previous message). Simon. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.25% see www.mersenne.org] Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: French accentuated letters in 1.3.28i -> stable snapshot
03-Apr-02 at 16:47, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > but maybe it's just that our Solaris machines > don't have proper locales installed. actually, > the local installation drives me up the wall. > this alone it's a good reason to switch to Linux. We run Linux on Sparc boxes and are happier with them than when they ran SunOS5.8. Simon -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.24% see www.mersenne.org] Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. -- Diderot [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: "update encoding?"
02-Apr-02 at 17:16, Adam Shostack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > The client's clock is running a few minutes behind the server. You > write the file at local noon, which the server sets to be 12:03. Mutt > checks the file, sees that its mtime is in the future (12:03 being > later than 12:00), and warns you. NTP is your friend. I use NTP to synchronise all servers, and as many workstations as possible. Everybody's clock is within microseconds of each other, and this can reduce problems. Using a simple ntp client like k9, you can just listen for ntp broadcasts on the local subnet and update your clock accordingly. k9 works for Windows and Linux clients. You just need one "master" server on each subnet, which broadcasts the time every minute or so to all clients. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.19% see www.mersenne.org] If it dies, it's biology. If it blows up, it's chemistry, and if it doesn't work, it's physics. [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Outhouse on Mutt-Users? Was: Re: close IMAP connections
02-Apr-02 at 19:48, Luke Ross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > I use mutt patched with vvv-nntp (I know not now - I'm on holiday on a > strange computer), and if the NNTP connection gets closed it asks if you > want to reconnect, and then continues where it left off - perhaps IMAP can > be patched to do the same. Good job you said you were on holiday, with headers like X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 that is a travesty :) -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.07% see www.mersenne.org] The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet. [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: close IMAP connections
02-Apr-02 at 13:34, Dan Boger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 06:24:45PM +0000, Simon White wrote: > > Do you have anything set for mail_check in your .muttrc? > > yup - "set mail_check = 5" So... let me know how you get on if you lower imap_keepalive and/or if you add the IMAP folder to your new mail poll... although you'll set mail_check higher or that poor old P90 might get a bit overworked :) -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.07% see www.mersenne.org] History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. -- Napoleon Bonaparte [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: close IMAP connections
02-Apr-02 at 20:22, Michael Tatge ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Check out $imap_keepalive The default is 600 seconds for imap_keepalive, so I guess those who have problems should set this lower. I assume if mail_check is set to 30 (as in my config) then I needn't set an imap_keepalive, since I haven't had problems, and my mailbox will get polled anyway. Anyone? -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.07% see www.mersenne.org] Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rich Cook [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: close IMAP connections
02-Apr-02 at 13:22, Dan Boger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > I have two setups (two different boxes) - one has a bunch of local > (non-imap) folders, and a macro defined to access an IMAP folder > (infrequently). the other box is all IMAP - my folders via IMAP (which > update and work fine), and that same macro for an imap folder (on the > same server, but with a different username). > > When I access that one IMAP folder, leave it for a while, and try to come > back is when I run into this problem. I'm assuming that you mean the IMAP folder with a different username. Do you have anything set for mail_check in your .muttrc? How about you, Heike? -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.06% see www.mersenne.org] Microsoft isn't the answer. Microsoft is the question, and the answer is no. [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: close IMAP connections
02-Apr-02 at 11:59, Dan Boger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 04:56:41PM +0000, Simon White wrote: > > All my mailboxes are IMAP, so I don't have this problem, since I'm always > > connected to the server. However, I have a fairly short > > imap_checkinterval: > > set imap_checkinterval=60 > > I saw that in the manual, but when I try it, I get an unknown setting > error... > Duh. So do I. I had the line commented and I didn't notice. So, does mail_check work for IMAP too, or is this a problem? My INBOX certainly seems to update on a reasonably frequent basis. Let me confirm for Heike and Dan, that you have local folders and IMAP folders in your config, and this is why your IMAP folders are timing out (on the server) causing the connection to close and thus creating your problem with not being able to log back in without restarting? -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.06% see www.mersenne.org] UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity. -- Dennis Ritchie [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: automating move of folders, imap to imap
02-Apr-02 at 11:47, David Champion ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > in which case you're not going to be doing it > > for a whole heap of users, are you? > > Why not? > > I've been in this situation (or, more accurately, postured a similar on > behalf of my users). Ouch! How lucky I am to work for an ISP where I have su on pretty much all the boxes :) > It's trivial to extend that to handle multiple users, if you know > their passwords. If you don't know their passwords, then it's probably > possible to arrange a back-channel transfer not involving IMAP directly. Yes, but if you're talking thousands of users, then you are going to give the respective IMAP servers a big boost to their load averages ... don't try this with Exchange IMAP support :) Simon. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.06% see www.mersenne.org] /"\ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ /Respect for open standards X No HTML/RTF in email / \No M$ Word docs in email
Re: close IMAP connections
02-Apr-02 at 11:35, Dan Boger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > I just use imaps, and it's all behind my firewall anyway... but that > doesn't solve the problem ... > All my mailboxes are IMAP, so I don't have this problem, since I'm always connected to the server. However, I have a fairly short imap_checkinterval: set imap_checkinterval=60 I don't know if this will help keep your IMAP connection alive whilst in IMAP folders... -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.06% see www.mersenne.org] Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I mean, I'd love to be skinny like that but not with all those flies and death and stuff. -- Mariah Carey [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: automating move of folders, imap to imap
01-Apr-02 at 18:57, Robert Chien ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Hi, > > I'm in the process of writing a CGI/Perl script to move > folders from one IMAP server to another IMAP server. I would > like to use mutt because I'm already familiar with it, but > it's the first time I use mutt in a non-interactive way. Err... why are you using Mutt? Why not just set up an NFS share or FTP access, and just *copy* the files from one server to the other? Or is there a specific reason you need to use an MUA to do it? I can't think of one good reason, unless of course you don't have anything but IMAP access to each server, in which case you're not going to be doing it for a whole heap of users, are you? I don't think mutt is too good at switching IMAP servers anyway... really not the tool for the job. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:61.05% see www.mersenne.org] All this talk about everyone being connected to the Internet by the year ignores the simple fact that a large number of people in the world are fighting for survival. [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: OT: OS definition thread
30-Mar-02 at 10:26, Rocco Rutte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > No! I was writing about schools. At _school_ others were told how to use > Word and Works. Our teacher really asked us what we want to do the last > two two years in Computer Science. So we decided _not_ to learn how to > use MS Office. The only courses that should teach how to use MS Office are secretarial courses. Anyone with an ounce of computer sense will be doing something far more interesting than what we used to call "typesetting". Computer courses should teach about computers, not some proprietary software guff. Doesn't have to be programming, but how about file systems, and troubleshooting procedures? That is where the world at large is sadly lacking... -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:60.41% see www.mersenne.org] When the bosses talk about improving productivity, they are never talking about themselves. [Linux user #170823 http://counter.li.org. Home cooked signature rotator.]
Re: Word and RTF attachments
28-Mar-02 at 09:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > I know how to read Word and RTF files using things like catdoc, unrtf, > and so on. But all of these do either Word or RTF but not both. > In an ideal world the MIME type and the filename extension would > always be right. But I have recieved some email where an RTF file > has a '.doc' extension and an 'application/msword' mime type (probably > because of the extension). Other than educating the other user, > what is best way to handle this? I just want to dump the file > to the terminal as plain text. If MIME types are broken, then you need something like mime magic http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/libgnome/gnome-gnome-mime.html or something along those lines - basically, peeking into the contents of the file's headers to find out what it really is. Then you have to hack a new MIME type into the headers of the email with procmail so that it works properly, because AFAIK Mutt will just obey .mailcap - or maybe you can hack .mailcap itself but I don't know. I *think* Mutt reads mailcap when you try to view an attachment, so maybe you can dynamically hack mailcap. Lots of hacking needed. Simon. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:58.86% see www.mersenne.org] /"\ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ /Respect for open standards X No HTML/RTF in email / \No M$ Word docs in email
John's sig
28-Mar-02 at 05:03, John Buttery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > -- > this broken sig script is really starting to itch Are you on the way to fixing it, or do you need help? I'm starting to feel sorry for your poor script, since I just got mine working OK... ...incidentally mine is very basic, just a few lines, but it works wonderfully. It will just rotate through all files in my quotes directory, and automatically include anything new in there. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:58.38% see www.mersenne.org] Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. -- Diderot [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: Tag or delete by date or age
27-Mar-02 at 15:07, Charles Gagnon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Is there a way to tag or delete by date. I use to do this a while back using > mush. Since I have a lot of folders where I get reports (i.e. backup reports > for example), deleting by date was an easy way to keep only the current and > previous month for example. All I would need is a way to say "tag/delete > everything older than " or even "tag/delete everything older > than ", whatever is easier. tag-pattern (usually bound to T) ~d range-range tag-delete (usually ; then d) See the manual for patterns, etc. > If it's not in there, it would be a great feature. This is easy for Mutt, one of his stock tricks you don't even have to teach him. You could write a macro to automatically delete messages older than a certain date from a certain person, all in one keypress... >One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. > -- Dennis Miller -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:57.39% see www.mersenne.org] History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon. -- Napoleon Bonaparte [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: Irony getting in the way (Was: Re: ignore...)
27-Mar-02 at 13:07, Rob 'Feztaa' Park ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Alas! Martin Karlsson spake thus: > > Rob, your X-Uptime header shows even the no. of hundreds odf > > seconds; I think Rocco ironically suggests that it perhaps could be > > more specific -> meaning that he thinks it is _very_ specific. > > I see... ;) Did you just make it even more ridiculously accurate, or is that just me? Maybe Rob is really a python script which takes everything literally? -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:57.38% see www.mersenne.org] Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. -- Rich Cook [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: Optimizations?
27-Mar-02 at 14:37, David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > It also supports compression, but you can't change that once a session is > running. Fire up putty, load your target profile, and then go down to SSH > on the menu listing on the left side (assuming you are running something > current like 0.51 or better) to find the "enable compression" checkbox. I figured it out - I only got to read this email once I had already logged in over SSH (it's so cool to be able to log in to my work PC from home over SSH) with compression activated. It is indeed much better, the latency when I type has improved. All my Mutt colours work beautifully too. Much better than PINE, just for the colours :) -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:57.38% see www.mersenne.org] UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity. -- Dennis Ritchie [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: Optimizations?
27-Mar-02 at 12:39, Jeremy Blosser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > On Mar 27, Simon White [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > 27-Mar-02 at 11:09, Jeremy Blosser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > > You probably didn't have compression set. Try running ssh with the -C > > > option. It makes a dramatic difference. > > > > So, I have PuTTY for SSH, will look into the options and check that out > > tonight. > > It should still help, but probably not as much. I've not seen a windows > terminal emulator that didn't run a whole lot slower than seemed necessary. PuTTY on WinME (PII 350) runs just as fast as a regular ssh session from my Linux Workstation (PIII 550). I am very happy with it, and it's free. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:57.33% see www.mersenne.org] /"\ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ /Respect for open standards X No HTML/RTF in email / \No M$ Word docs in email
Re: wrong date / time in emails
27-Mar-02 at 19:29, cruciatuz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > i had some complaints, that mutt(?) sets the wrong date in my outgoing > email. i checked the "date" command and my bios-configuration, and both > are ok. where else do i have to check in order to solve this problem? > The email headers show: 19:29:36 -0500 If you are in Germany, which your domain and time suggest, then this is not correct. It should be +0100 that appears, I think. So perhaps you have the right date/time, but the GMT offset is wrong. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:57.28% see www.mersenne.org] IDIOT, n - A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant and controlling. -- Ambrose Bierce [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: Optimizations?
27-Mar-02 at 11:09, Jeremy Blosser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > You probably didn't have compression set. Try running ssh with the -C > option. It makes a dramatic difference. I am running WinME at home. I know, it's a travesty... here are my excuses: 1) My modem is a winmodem (Kortex PCI 56k) and Linux offline is no fun. However, I do have a dual boot. I have tried PCTel Linux drivers no luck so far. 2) My wife likes Windows. Only just got her into computing, it's a bit early for KDE in English since she is mainly French speaking. I refuse to have an OS in any other language than English. But Windows isn't an OS so I can put that in French. 3) I do a lot of digital audio/video stuff and in Linux it's more work getting my capture card and good audio products than creating the actual music / video. WinME comes off reasonably well, and I have found it to be more stable than 98 was, but then I have a custom install of ME (well, as custom as you can get with a GUI and a few registry hacks). So, I have PuTTY for SSH, will look into the options and check that out tonight. Simon. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:57.19% see www.mersenne.org] Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: Optimizations?
27-Mar-02 at 08:33, Jeremy Blosser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > On Mar 27, Simon White [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > Secondly, on a dialup link, it's too slow if you SSH somewhere and you > > have to /compose/ mail. For moving around the screen, even if you're good > > with vim (or whatever you set $THE_ONE_TRUE_EDITOR to) is not responsive > > enough. And if you have a connection that is fast enough not to notice > > that, you can probably download mail fast anyway. I SSH to my workstation > > from a fixed IP authenticated dialup connection at home and it's too slow > > to compose mail, although reading mail is quicker with Mutt than PINE > > running locally and just fetching mail from the server. This is largely > > due to the pager allowing faster browsing of mail. > > Weird. I used to do this all the time before I had DSL, and it was never a > problem. And the mail server I was connecting to was a 486 w/12M of RAM. > The initial connection was slow, but after that it was fine. > > Are you using SSH compression? It helps a lot. How fast do you type? I'm at ~55wpm if typing easy mail where I don't think too much. Not sure if I had compression set. In any case, I don't like ANY delay between keypress and letter appearing on screen, since I'm not looking at the keys as I type, and if the display is constantly "catching up" it throws me right off. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:57.13% see www.mersenne.org] When the bosses talk about improving productivity, they are never talking about themselves. [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
27-Mar-02 at 08:09, David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > % > Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: > % > > I don't use ps. Or any replacements. > % > > % > why ever not? > % > % Because I don't really know what it is, what it does, or why I'd ever > % want to use it. > > ps is "process status" or something like that, and it shows you what's > going on in your system. Think "top" without all of the overhead of top. > It's really quite handy, especially if you ever want to kill a job. Handier still for parsing to find out if a process is running, and to HUP / kill it if necessary, or restart a daemon if ps doesn't report that it runs. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:57.12% see www.mersenne.org] It is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. -- E. W. Dijkstra [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: Optimizations?
26-Mar-02 at 11:33, Will Yardley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > jennyw wrote: > > > Also, I notice that when I open up a folder, it gets all the headers > > before it displays them. Is there a way to get it to a) cache > > information) or b) read only some of the headers instead of all of > > them? If you stay in the index, rather than going to the pager, then you can see which headers are available without downloading. It is annoying, however, to have to dl a whole message (especially when some fool sends you a screenshot of their problem with LookOut Express in Windows BMP format at 3Mb when they could have done the same in JPEG with about 40Kb). I feel that IMAP support is still incomplete; Mutt is primarily a MUA for reading local mail, or for integrating with fetchmail and a POP scenario, which amounts to the same thing for Mutt since all mailboxes are local. Mutt does have a canny advantage though: you can delete attachments and keep only the message body, which I find useful for trouble tickets with big attachments that I no longer need, but want to archive. > if you have shell access on your mail machine, and it's on a good > connection, i'd just run mutt on the machine itself. Well, you might not be able to compile mutt on a public mail server for one, or get shell access. Mail servers are often too busy to have SSH sessions on them all over the place. Secondly, on a dialup link, it's too slow if you SSH somewhere and you have to /compose/ mail. For moving around the screen, even if you're good with vim (or whatever you set $THE_ONE_TRUE_EDITOR to) is not responsive enough. And if you have a connection that is fast enough not to notice that, you can probably download mail fast anyway. I SSH to my workstation from a fixed IP authenticated dialup connection at home and it's too slow to compose mail, although reading mail is quicker with Mutt than PINE running locally and just fetching mail from the server. This is largely due to the pager allowing faster browsing of mail. Even on 10Mbps local network, this IMAP issue needs improving - it causes Mutt to wait around sometimes, especially when in the pager and I forget to go back to the index, and wait for the messages to be downloaded one by one as I hit down arrow. Attachments should /never/ be systematically downloaded, that is the beauty of IMAP. And, to be able get my mail with PINE or other IMAP clients from wherever I happen to be. keeping mail locally is a travesty if you travel and move around a lot... you never know when you will need to refer back to some old email when you are challenged by a client whilst on site. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:56.62% see www.mersenne.org] Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I mean, I'd love to be skinny like that but not with all those flies and death and stuff. -- Mariah Carey [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: Problems going to INBOX using IMAP (Courier)
26-Mar-02 at 10:16, jennyw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > I've just started using the IMAP features of mutt (I'm pretty new to the > program in general, too). So far, things are working great -- except that > when I change folders. Relevant lines of my .muttrc: This is what I have in my .muttrc set folder=imap:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/mail # where i keep my mailserverboxes set imap_home_namespace="imap:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/mail" # helps the pager find my folders better set spoolfile='imap:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/INBOX' # where my new mailserver is located Then, I can navigate around as I like to, using the ../ at the top of the folders list to get back to my INBOX reasonably easily. Mutt complains about mh format, but this I don't seem to be able to switch off, and in any case it does what I want it to. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:56.57% see www.mersenne.org] All this talk about everyone being connected to the Internet by the year ignores the simple fact that a large number of people in the world are fighting for survival. [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: mailbox question
26-Mar-02 at 19:26, Matthias Weiss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > Since the mails go to separate accounts anyway, why not fetch the mail to > > two separate folders, and configure mutt to read both? > > What do I gain from this when I have 3 mailing list on one and another 4 lists > on the other account? 1) OK, so fetch the mail to 7 separate folders, a lot of people on the list swear by procmail, which will grab whatever fetchmail brings and filter it to your heart's content. > > > I'd like mutt to check whether a mail came from a mailing > > > list and display only those mail at ones that belong to > > > the same mailing list. I'd then want to switch between > > > the list with some key command. > > > > You can acheive this, although I personally prefer sorting and threading > > to make this less configuration specific. > > Don't understand what you mean. *HOW* can I achieve this? If you do (1), then you just switch folders with 'c'. If you don't (like me, I keep everything remote and unsorted because I haven't automated 100% yet, or perhaps because part of me is still a philistine). So, I use sorting by threads, which Mutt handles rather nicely, and this allows me to see, reasonably easily, which list has which thread, since threads don't usually cross lists. > > > When I end my mutt session I'd want mutt to store the > > > read mails in seperate mail boxes, each for every mailing > > > list I'm subscribed. > > > > You can do this with save hooks, but you'll have to manually save after > > reading. > > you mean I have to save manually every mail??? 8-| Only if you refuse to do (1) or can't. Mutt is not a mail filter, but you can hack it to do basic filtering, but that's not what it's for and it won't do it neatly or correctly. > > > Those remaining mails that don't belong to a mailing list should be > > > moved to a general list. > > > > Move them to a readmail folder, for example, this can be done. > > How? s =readmail $ something like that. > I'm getting approx. 130 mails every day, so this *IS* important for me. > Maybe I can do something with my mta (postfix) to splitt the mails up > into several inboxes. Don't know why, but I always thought this is > the job of my mailclient. Send the output of Postfix to procmail, if you're receiving direct. Procmail will do the business. > Well, I actually don't care what part of the mail system is doing the job. I want > to have a solution that helps me handling this amount of everyday mails. Well then get into the tools above. Mutt doesn't do everything it isn't supposed to. > I know that being not a member of a list and mailing to it is bad habit, > nevertheless I hope you excuse it, one more mailing list and I drown in > mails, sorry! Sorry, you'll have to search the archive this time anyway. Who said that the path to enlightenment is not easy? -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:56.54% see www.mersenne.org] Hofstadter's Law states that projects take longer than expected, even when Hofstadter's Law is taken into account. [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: substituing ~l in send-hook
26-Mar-02 at 18:51, Hanspeter Roth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > You are assuming that /everybody/ is using Mutt with mailing lists. > I do use Mutt and I do use L. > But should I expect everybody to switch to Mutt? > Some people still want to use Emacs, Pine, Elm or Netscape Mail... > Not every mailclient supports Mail-Followup-To:. > Are Mutters expected to boycott Nonmutters? Woah! Not at all! I was responding to someone who wanted a send-hook within mutt to change the Reply-To header, not a non Mutt user. A lot of people can't switch to Mutt, won't switch to Mutt, don't need to switch to it, etc. But I said nothing against any other MUA. I was speaking /purely/ from a Mutt context. I assume nothing, unless of course my brain short-circuits some logic somewhere and tricks me into thinking I must be right, given the evidence, when in fact I have processed previous input incorrectly. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:56.53% see www.mersenne.org] Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along. -- John Lennon.
Re: M$ Outhouse E. for UNIX
26-Mar-02 at 16:44, Rocco Rutte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > It thought Solaris users use text-based mail clients because workstation > installations of Solaris are not the fastest. Or do they just replace > every workstation by a server to run Outlook? ;-) Text based rules, but in Solaris you are stuck with CDE anyway, it's not worth shit without CDE. > Great! Microsoft wrote that? 'more rich and dynamic' experience. ROTFL > That's completely true. When sending or receiving mail/news you'll never > know what you get (hint: quoting)... ;-) Well, I think the biggest crime is hiding the actual email address you're sending to / receiving from. I find that 100% unacceptable. You cannot tell Outlook Express to show you the email without going to properties screens and all that. CRAP. That is why I do not use Outlook, more than any (perfectly valid, numerous) other reasons. Simon -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:56.51% see www.mersenne.org] In a time of universal lies, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: substituing ~l in send-hook
26-Mar-02 at 17:35, Hanspeter Roth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > No I haven't received an answer. I think it's just not supported in > this context. > The workaround is to put a send-hook for each mailinglist. But not > very elegant... If you use L (default mapping) to reply to lists, you will always reply just to the list address, as long as it is defined as a list in your muttrc. The reply-to should then be redundant, because people /should/ just reply to the list only. Mutt will send the correct headers if you use L. So use L ;-) Simon. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:56.51% see www.mersenne.org] Not only does Jesus save, but he makes nightly off-site backups. [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: mailbox question
26-Mar-02 at 10:30, Shawn McMahon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > I didn't think this list could be posted to by non members. I am now > > going to have to find your address and copy-paste it up to the CC line. > > No, you don't "have" to. You choose to. Well, because I didn't read that line until the end, and because I had already typed the reply, I was stating the exact realtime fact that I was presented with. I would not have bothered had I seen that before typing a response. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:56.41% see www.mersenne.org] If it dies, it's biology. If it blows up, it's chemistry, and if it doesn't work, it's physics. [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: mailbox question
25-Mar-02 at 22:26, Matthias Weiss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > I'm subscribed to several mailing lists which are sent > to 2 mail accounts. I'm using fetchmail to retrieve the > mails that are then stored in /var/spool/mail/matthias. Since the mails go to separate accounts anyway, why not fetch the mail to two separate folders, and configure mutt to read both? > I'd like mutt to check whether a mail came from a mailing > list and display only those mail at ones that belong to > the same mailing list. I'd then want to switch between > the list with some key command. You can acheive this, although I personally prefer sorting and threading to make this less configuration specific. > When I end my mutt session I'd want mutt to store the > read mails in seperate mail boxes, each for every mailing > list I'm subscribed. You can do this with save hooks, but you'll have to manually save after reading. > Those remaining mails that don't belong to a mailing list should be > moved to a general list. Move them to a readmail folder, for example, this can be done. > Is that possible with mutt and if yes how can I do this??? Too many ways to skin a cat. Do it with the dog ;-) or do it with fetchmail, with procmail perhaps. Depending on how important it is for all this to be automatic, and whether or not you will ever access your mail with another client / via webmail, will guide the decisions. I think mutt should be left for reading your mail and moving it about, but automating things /before/ you even read the mail (moving unread messages into folders dependent on address sent to, etc) might be better acheived with something like procmail. > Then I have a question regarding address books - is there support > for something alike in mutt?? There are aliases, which allow you to have nicknames for all your contacts, and these can be browsable. However, name, address, telephone and all that is outside the scope of aliases in mutt. > Ps.: could you please CC me answers cause I'm not on the list. I didn't think this list could be posted to by non members. I am now going to have to find your address and copy-paste it up to the CC line. Luckily I included your address in my attribution line in my .muttrc, and now I have a good reason to have quoted it in my reply... -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:56.00% see www.mersenne.org] IDIOT, n - A member of a large and powerful tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominant and controlling. -- Ambrose Bierce [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: Can I use mutt to notify a message to all PC users running MS Windows on the network? NOOOOO!
26-Mar-02 at 03:31, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > my response was to someone posting to this list with Outlook > asking a question for a window only environment, trying to > send a notification via some proprietary service using > an *email* message sent from mutt (or whatever mailer). I didn't notice that. Should have done. But in any case, there's no harm in pointing things like that out on the list. Not everyone is so technically minded as to understand, like the guy who wrote in the last 24 hours that he is giving up with mutt due to problems which appear to be due to his MTA (sendmail). -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:55.96% see www.mersenne.org] Hofstadter's Law states that projects take longer than expected, even when Hofstadter's Law is taken into account. [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Incredimail CRLF encoding
25-Mar-02 at 12:44, Rob 'Feztaa' Park ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Besides, I'm only doing it to Incredimail users. I mean, if they want to > accost me with tons of useless X- headers, I shouldn't have to put up with > them (the headers, not the people) :P Well just as an aside Incredimail marketing claims "Email has evolved" on its website, or something equally high power marketing toss to go with the eyecandy approach to email. I also hate that it encodes CRLF in email sent as HTML (albeit multipart formatted) which shows up as CTRL-M in mutt, and I can't force people to fix plain text sending if they are already someone who is actually /pleased/ to show me this great new email client they have just installed. So, since I'm hopeless with encoding, can someone tell me if I can filter these people's mail in the pager so I don't have to keep asking them to plaintext? Clearly pre-mutt or piped I can get rid of those in the file, but is there a simple setting I can stick in muttrc? If I RTFM is it there? -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:55.19% see www.mersenne.org] Not only does Jesus save, but he makes nightly off-site backups. [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: setting content type in email header with mutt
25-Mar-02 at 20:14, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > * Donna Koenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-03-25 18:38]: > > We want to send out email that is html, but for those who > > only accept or access text email, we wnat them to be able > > to open the email also. Is there an option in mutt > > (muttrc) to set the content type to multipart/alternative? > > That's DOG ABUSE! We should tell the RSPCA! > Seriously - use a M$ mailer for such things. Now, I was waiting for someone to be less around-the-houses about it than me, and it /had/ to be Sven ;-) -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:55.06% see www.mersenne.org] /"\ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ /Respect for open standards X No HTML/RTF in email / \No M$ Word docs in email
Re: setting content type in email header with mutt
25-Mar-02 at 11:39, Donna Koenig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > I need help. Is there an option in mutt (muttrc) to set the content > type to multipart/alternative? > > Situation is: > We want to send out email that is html, but for those who only > accept or access text email, we wnat them to be able to open the email > also. I don't think mutt handles this, because it does not pretend to send email in html format anyway. Purists among us (myself included) might tell you to send all your email in plain text anyway. I generally am much more likely to read email in plain text only. With commandline mutt you can probably hack something along the lines of multipart/alternative, with an html and a plain text attachment, but you will have to compose HTML mail outside of mutt anyway. Maybe there is a patch for this, but the stock mutt probably doesn't support it. Mutt can be configured as to how to handle multipart/alternative email though, see the manual (search for alternative_order) and you will find info on alternative_order precedence. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:55.00% see www.mersenne.org] /"\ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ /Respect for open standards X No HTML/RTF in email / \No M$ Word docs in email
Re: Can I use mutt to notify a message to all PC users running MS Windows on the network?
25-Mar-02 at 02:00, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > seriously - mutt sends email. that's it. > if your users don't read their emails right away > then they won't notice your message at all. It doesn't even do that. Mutt reads mail (but it's better to use a helper app to get it) and then passes replies composed in an Editor (which is probably not mutt) to a local SMTP agent which then delivers mail, most likely via another server acting as an SMTP gateway. What Mutt really does is provide a user interface for a number of configurable tasks, which generally include moving and reading mail, but rarely truly sending mail. Mutt could be described as a highly configurable user interface with built in functions to help with reading, indexing, sorting and generally organising e-mail on a console. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 54.36%] v-- John Lennon Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
24-Mar-02 at 22:37, Rob 'Feztaa' Park ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Your name just sounds so feminine. We seem to get a lot of that here, > don't we? ;) I don't know that I can let you get away with that. Said in the correct accent - in fact, one of German, Switzerdutch, and most Scandinavian accents, Jussi sounds reasonably masculine to me. In and English accent (particularly Canadian/American) it /may/ sound feminine... but you should never assume that just because in your phonetics, a name sounds feminine, that it is. Indeed, never assume at all that you can guess, because some names which are only female in English may be unisex in other countries, or unisex with slight spelling variations. Shit I hate political correctness, but I adore linguistic debate. Sometimes the two collide and I have a little rant. Apologies to the sensitive. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 54.35%] v-- John Lennon Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
Re: Changing/inserting headers with a macro - vi example
21-Mar-02 at 22:32, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > however, you will thereby lose 'm' for the "mail" > command. maybe you have no use for this, but... Not if you have remapped another key to the mail command, such as if you were an ex PINE junkie who keeps hitting c and ends up changing folder instead of writing a mail... I haven't actually remapped but I do fall foul of sub conscious PINE keystrokes, and consider remapping, only to feel that I should stick to the defaults so I don't have to install mappings on other boxes with Mutt. -- John Lennon:--v [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 48.88%] Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
Re: unable to connect to mail server from mutt
15-Mar-02 at 10:53, Kanagesh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > Hi, > > pop://a.b.c.d > > where a.b.c.d is the ip address of the mail server > > when I telnet to port 101 of a.b.c.d, there is a reply saying 'OK' > I have configured mutt with --enable-pop option. If this isn't a typo, and your POP server is running on port 101, then you need to do: pop://a.b.c.d:101 you could also try the syntax pop:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:101 It may be that you would be better off using fetchmail and reading mail locally... that's not a solution to the problem but a may well be a good alternative if you receive lots of mail. -- John Lennon:--v [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 41.24%] Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
Re: ~/Mailbox oddness?
14-Mar-02 at 15:15, J. Scott Dorr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > This does bring up in my mind a curious conundrum. The whole concept of apps > checking to see if the mailspool has new mail in it can/should be done in such > a way so that multiple apps can do it and not squash each others data. Not > that much can be done about it at this point, it seems so many apps use this > current model. :/ Why do you need more than one app to check for new mail? Pick one that does what you want (play sounds, beep, animate something) and that should do all you need, no? Mutt already has a beep_new function you can use for an audible new mail warning. Indeed, hunting through the manual... "Utilities like biff or frm or any other program which accesses the mailbox might cause Mutt to never detect new mail for that mailbox if they do not properly reset the access time. Backup tools are another common reason for updated access times." [sec 3.11] So it may be OK to use multiple utilities as long as they behave. -- John Lennon:--v [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 41.13%] Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
Re: Opening html links in text mail
14-Mar-02 at 23:34, Joel Hammer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > This really is way cool. > > With KDE, I just dragged the script file onto my bottom panel. Now, > I just highlight the link in mutt, hit the icon on the bottom panel, > and netscape starts up, etc. I thought you wanted to avoid a mouse click. I have a browser open most of the time, so I just highlight the link -> middle button in browser content frame -> Bingo! This avoids having to go all the way down to the panel to click an icon. The clipboard contents are automatically surfed to in NS and Opera, don't know about Mozilla but would assume the same is true. On an somewhat related note, I have a mutt icon in PNG format which is the right size for the bottom panel if KDE users want an icon to automatically launch Mutt (I use xterm -e mutt) from the panel. -- John Lennon:--v [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 41.12%] Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?
14-Mar-02 at 12:20, Shawn McMahon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > This one time, at band camp, Simon White wrote: > > > > Ahh yes there is. L (list-reply). Or whatever you map it to in your muttrcs. > > Cool. > > Except it doesn't work with any mailing list I've tried. I just hit SHIFT-L and this resulted: a reply to the Mailing list only. I notice you're running 1.2.5.1i whereas I have 1.3.27 which makes a big difference, no doubt. -- John Lennon:--v [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 40.12%] Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
Re: Mail-Followup-To on mutt-users redundant?
14-Mar-02 at 13:55, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > > > Mail-Followup-To: Simon White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > > > Mutt User List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > this is a closed list, isn't it? > > Don't follow... what am I doing wrong? > > well, you have to be subscribed to the list > to be able to send to it. so I know that > when I reply to the list you'll get a copy. > So this Mail-Followup-To seems redundant. Well, I didn't add it deliberately. Can I set up a keymapping to Reply to the mailing list, rather than hitting "g" and manually pruning the headers where necessary? *checks manual* Ahh yes there is. L (list-reply). Or whatever you map it to in your muttrcs. Cool. -- John Lennon:--v [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 39.85%] Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
Re: Non-interactive command line send
David, Ralph... > % We have this in German as well. But we use a comma: > % You telepathic fiend, you. > > Same here in the US. *Blush* so I should have used a comma too. My mistake. My English is usually so good, too *sarcastic grin*. -- John Lennon:--v [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 39.85%] Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
Re: Non-interactive command line send
14-Mar-02 at 12:39, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote / schreibt :
> now, if crontab does all this then you probably have to use "/dir/mutt".
You telepathic fiend you. (idiomatic word order, for your English notes Sven)
> hmm... make mutt use some non-standard setup file then
> by applying the option "-F file":
>
> echo smooches | mutt -F /dev/null ..
Works a charm. Kudos to Markus as well, who sent this to me off list.
> anyway, I find a page like this much mor effective:
> http://www-ttp.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de/cartoons/
> ("funnies" in english and german) enjoy! :-)
Cool page, however the beauty of email is offline consultation, which is why
my Garfield goes to my wife by email. She costs me enough on 'phone bills as
it is without reading all those good cartoons over my poor dialup line which
costs me at least $50 a month and I rarely do anything but local calls. But
then, that's Morocco. /Really/ puts bitching about $40 a month DSL into
perspective.
> > Mail-Followup-To: Simon White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Mutt User List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> this is a closed list, isn't it?
Don't follow... what am I doing wrong?
--
John Lennon:--v [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 39.82%]
Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics
and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our
mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
Non-interactive command line send
I have seen a few posts about this, but no matter how I try, I am missing something to make mutt send without prompting me for a password for my IMAP account, which is set up in my .muttrc file. I have a script which grabs today's Garfield comic, and /should/ then send it on to my wife. This is what I have: mutt -x -s Daily\ Garfield -a ga$theimg.jpg [EMAIL PROTECTED] ($theimg is the date in the format yymmdd, but that's not important) Obviously the email address is that of my wife and not mine. I don't need anything in the message body. TIA -- John Lennon:--v [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 39.66%] Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
Re: OT: date references as [yymmdd]
13-Mar-02 at 09:35, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > I started using "[yymmdd]" as a date indicator on my webpages > before Markus Kuhn wrote ISO-8601 (in 1995) - so sue me! ;-) Well, that's no excuse for not having become year 2000 compliant. The big problem with dates is the American vs. European format, so that 02/03 can be 2nd March (Europe) and 3rd February (US), which confuses the hell out of everyone. This is why I use the month name, which is in English but probably still better than being ambiguous. 99% of people I write to will understand the English month name abbreviations. Post 1999 you are adding to this confusion since the 2 digit year could also be interpreted as a month for the next 10 years, and as a day for the next 29... and yymmdd, yyddmm, mmddyy and ddmmyy are all configurations that are parsed by the brain before concluding properly. On attributions: One problem with quoting the email address is that some people with ridiculously long emails can cause wrap. You're not far off, Sven, with your 13 characters and the extra dot for subdomain, and that's just the right hand side of the @ not including the TLD. If you had a middle name which you quoted in your real name you would cause wrap. You are thus contradicting yourself if you say it should stay on one line, considering the enormous length of some email addresses and real names. -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 38.19% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre:-Pd-; tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco Cyberneckin' fax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: Semi-OT: Mailman and MUAs
On 11-Mar-02 at 13:15, Lorin Winchester's inspired musing was thus : > One user (one of the Outlook/AOL bunch) > said that it's just too much work to have to manually enter the address of > the poster he wishes to reply to directly, so he complains and sends private > replies to the list. It's been some time since I've used a MUA other than > Mutt, so really don't understand this. Too much work? Even in Outlook Express, you can copy-paste or do a Reply to All and then delete the list address. Some people are just not with it, never will be. > Confusion on my part. I guess I remembered being able to subscribe to the > list from http://www.mutt.org and figured that it was a Mailman interface. > Didn't you use some other reason just a few minutes ago? ;-) -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 36.54% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre:-Pd-; tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco Cyberneckin' fax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: Semi-OT: Mailman and MUAs
On 11-Mar-02 at 11:38, Lorin Winchester's inspired musing was thus : > This is semi-off-topic, but it somewhat relates to Mutt and Mailman. I'm on > another mailing list that was recently switched from Majordomo to Mailman. > Many times when users try to reply privately to a poster they end up posting > to the list. This causes many complaints about Mailman being a poor piece > of software. > I'm almost 100% sure that this can be easily changed. It can be changed. (from mailman docs) reply_goes_to_list (general): Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists. This option controls what Mailman does to the Reply-To: header in messages flowing through this mailing list. When set to Poster, no Reply-To: header is added by Mailman, although if one is present in the original message, it is not stripped. Setting this value to either This list or Explicit address causes Mailman to insert a specific Reply-To: header in all messages, overriding the header in the original message if necessary (Explicit address inserts the value of reply_to_address). -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 36.47% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre:-Pd-; tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco Cyberneckin' fax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Mutt with IMAP
Hello I am having some performance problems with IMAP via MUTT, it seems hungrier for I/O than PINE was. However, I like mutt enough to put up with some slowness, but over a 10mbps network direct to the mailserver I'd expect it to be a bit better. Maybe a better IMAP server would help. I can find IMAP servers (Cyrus, UW, dkimap) but it is difficult to get an objective opinion on which is best, since I have seen them all flamed. Anyone have a reasonable IMAP daemon that they are happy with? I don't know what is running here but it's not been updated for /at least/ two years!!! -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 36.36% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre:-Pd-; tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco Cyberneckin' fax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: Mutt won't read inbox
On 10-Mar-02 at 14:14, Jerry Van Brimmer's inspired musing was thus : > I understand that Mutt reads the From line to organize messages. Why is my From > lines so far down in the messages? All of them are the same. Do I need to set > some command in fetchmail, or procmail, or sendmail, or Mutt? The first from line mutt is looking for is not the line From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] But a separate From line which has no colon and is used by MUAs as the message separator. If your messages do not have this first, then either Fetchmail or Sendmail is probably to blame. If our users have a corrupted mailbox for whatever reason, this is 99% of the time the error they get. I don't know at what point in the chain you are losing this info, check your regular mail spool on the mail server to see if it has the lines, then check intermediaries to see if they are parsing it out. -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 36.12% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre:-Pd-; tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco Cyberneckin' fax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: Problems sending large attachments
On 10-Mar-02 at 11:03, Johannes Franken's inspired musing was thus : > Try reducing the mtu-value in /etc/ppp/options . You might also want > to put in some hayes commands to turn off hardware data compression, > which may be broken on your card. If the problem persists, have a look > at http://sdb.suse.com/ The usual MTU for a modem should be 576. Higher values will cause problems. -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 35.94% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre:-Pd-; tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco Cyberneckin' fax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: Is mutt really "handicapped"?
On 07-Mar-02 at 16:26, Michael P. Soulier's inspired musing was thus : > Who uses the arrow keys?? hjkl man... As someone who can actually touch type and without looking at the keys even, it has always seemed stupid for vi to use hjkl, since this forces my hand out of the home position, where my fingers will be on jkl; I learned to touch type by quite literally forcing myself. I have used a PC keyboard for 16 years and one day decided it was stupid to be in front of a keyboard all day and not to try to type properly. Sure, it's slower to begin with, but now I can type much faster. -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 31.22% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre:-Pd-; tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco Cyberneckin' fax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: HTML mail
> > On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:23:42AM -0800, Michael Montagne wrote: > > > How do folks handle HTML mail. If I receive an attached HTML file (and > > > HTML email, I think), autoview will decode it and I'll see it in the > > > pager (correct term?). Then I can use "v" and when I view the link, > > > Galeon is invoked and I can see the page. But if someone sends an entire page as >the > > > email, I don't get the option to view an HTML attachment. All I see is > > > a bunch links and .gif references. I'm not sure what the differences > > > are between these two conditions but it's one of the last pieces of the > > > puzzle to make mutt truly amazing. > > > > > That's the weird thing. Sometimes I get mail that doesn't present a > text/html option and sometimes it does. > It looks to me like the MIME type is broken, so what you're getting is HTML typed into a plain text email, which is displayed correctly by lame MUAs like Outlook Express. Check the headers of the mail and see if it has Content Type: text/html or not. If it does, it should also have some MIME statements too... Content Type on its own is not sufficient. Simon -- Signature still pending
Re: mutt is not for everyone
> IIRC, it's actually an app, not a cgi... > > here's the homepage, thanks to freshmeat :) > > http://www.blackie.dk/dotfile/ Yep, but on that site I don't see support for mutt... seems to have good procmail support though. However, here :- http://www.dotfiles.com/index.php3?cat_id=12 There are a number of sample dotfiles, but no generator. I think, therefore, that a commandline dotfile generator may not be redundant, unless anyone can dig up something else Simon. -- Signature pending
Re: mutt is not for everyone
On 07-Mar-02 at 12:21, David T-G's inspired musing was thus : > Not to rain on the parade, particularly since netliberte has been > mentioned, but isn't there also a dotfiles generator for mutt as well? Is dotfiles a generic generator with templates for different apps? Point me to the URL :-) -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 30.24% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre:-Pd-; tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco Cyberneckin' fax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: Mutt configuration tool
> > Too many people in Open Source are reinventing the wheel, especially FTP > > clients, lightweight web servers, PHP photo galleries, etc > > But too many things in Open Source need to be reinvented, unfortunately. > I don't often find that two projects that you can summarize similarly > are actually identical -- each has benefits that the other considers a > liability. In an ideal world: $ ./configure --enable-liability --disable-benefit > Besides, speaking just for myself: I write software for fun, not because > the abstract "open source community" needs it. All the better if they > do, but that's often not key. Fair point, but the open source community has to also work on stuff which is useful, cf. the GNU project et al Simon. -- Nearly finished with Windoze
Re: Is mutt really "handicapped"?
> I do find the mouse to be useful in some cases though: If I want to go > to a specific message on the screen, it would be easier to just click > it with the mouse than figuring out how many times I have to hit the > arrow keys to get there. Jump to message number. > Also, some GUI mail clients allow opening multiple windows to show > more than one message at a time. That functionality is useful for when > I want to compose a single reply to multiple messages, for example. > (In mutt or pine, if I wanted to go look at another message while I'm > already writing one, I'd have to postpone it, go look, and come back.) You could open 2 or 3 mutt sessions, or open the emails as text (having exported first, ok it's not ideal) in separate xterm vi windows. Simon -- Yuck! I'm in Windoze and PINE. Sorry, will be rebooting into Linux at earliest opportunity
Re: smtp/ftp referenced attachments ?
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Ron da Silva wrote: > Is there a way to get mutt to recognize either of the following content > types?? Should automatically retrieve this doc via email or ftp when I > open that attachment, but mutt complains instead. I'm taking a stab at this, but something like a combination of the correct .mailcap entry and wget. For it to then be visible, in this case because it's at text file, you'd still probably have to open it separately. This external thing seems to be a security risk if it's all automated anyway, and slightly against the spirit of email, but that's another story. Simon -- Yuck! I'm in Windoze with PINE. Accept my apologies
Re: Mutt configuration tool
> technically not win32 since it's not a native port (cygwin). > contrast to pine which I've read does have a native win32 port... Yep, PC-Pine has been around for years, a native port maintained by the UW team. Also, on the mutt config script: I know a bit of PERL, keep me in the loop. -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 30.07% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre THIS SPACE tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of MoroccoFOR RENTfax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: Mutt configuration tool
On 07-Mar-02 at 06:00, John Buttery's inspired musing was thus : > > Well, if we're not reinventing the wheel, why not just ask the guy if > we can have a copy of his whole HTML and just include it with the mutt > distribution? I'm sure it's not very big on disk. Then just include > instructions on how to navigate to the first page of it with a browser. Since it's dynamic, he'll have to be running a web server, etc. A shell or PERL script will guarantee functionality across a wider range of Linux distros and setups. > The only reason to do a whole new shell script is if you're going to > do "logic" like someone mentioned a few posts back, ie autodetection of > where the mail spool is etc. I think newbies will feel more at home > with a web-based interface. Yes, I agree. But we can take the web script as a building block, no? The web script has to be hosted somewhere else if it is to work everywhere, but then, that tool is already available. -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 29.89% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre THIS SPACE tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of MoroccoFOR RENTfax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: Mutt configuration tool
On 07-Mar-02 at 12:26, Marco Fioretti's inspired musing was thus : > We should check if that code is available, and how hard it is to make > it work in a shell. Absolutely. Someone has already thought about the tool and even implemented it. It should be command line to save that poor guy's bandwidth :) Too many people in Open Source are reinventing the wheel, especially FTP clients, lightweight web servers, PHP photo galleries, etc -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 29.84% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre THIS SPACE tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of MoroccoFOR RENTfax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On 06-Mar-02 at 17:11, Heiko Heil's inspired musing was thus : > On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 10:29:48AM -0800, Bob McLaren wrote: > > > So now what I am looking for is a simple SMTP client that is as > > easy to use as Mutt, or, some alternative means of getting Mutt to > > talk to my remote smtp server. > > What about port-forwarding with ssh? Two contradictions... "as easy to use as Mutt"... ahem, well yes from a certain point of view Mutt is easy to use don't flame me. And then, if we need an easy solution... port forwarding with SSH... easy? hehee -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 28.60% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # > http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre THIS SPACE tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of MoroccoFOR RENTfax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: avoid dangerous mappings!
On 06-Mar-02 at 11:25, Sven Guckes's inspired musing was thus : > you may have heard the story about the admin > who mapped F1 to ":qa!" - rest in peace! > (it was not a pretty sight... eww.) Point taken. Hehehehe :-) -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. / \ |-tel +212.3.767.4861# GIMPS current unit progress: 28.22% # |-fax +212.3.767.4863# (http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm) # |-14, rue 16 novembre\ / |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: FCC to a program/pipe?
FCC to a local file which is watched by the external program? On 06-Mar-02 at 00:16, David G. Andersen's inspired musing was thus : > I've been digging around for a bit trying to figure out the > best way to do this: How can I set mutt up to pipe an auto-FCC > of my outgoing mail to a program, instead of a file? > > (The obvious attempt of FCC to |program doesn't work; a > fairly extensive read of the docs didn't suggest that such > a thing was possible, but I figured I'd ask before digging > through the source). > > Thanks! > > -Dave > > -- > work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MIT Laboratory for Computer Science http://www.angio.net/ -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. |-tel +212.3.767.4861 |-fax +212.3.767.4863 |-14, rue 16 novembre |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: Saving a read E-Mail into an imap-folder -> O-flag
On 05-Mar-02 at 19:03, David DeSimone's inspired musing was thus : > This is documented as a known bug in IMAP: > > * Server copy currently doesn't take into account uncommitted > changes in messages about to be copied. Sync first. > > The advice works. When you sync (hit "$") the folder, the changes made > by Mutt are sent to the server (Messages are marked as Read), and then > when you ask Mutt to save/copy the message to another folder, the flags > will be correct. This may be documented as a bug, but take this: MUTT is working locally with a mirror of what it read off the server. Unless you sync with the mailserver, the actual flags on the mail server are not the same as the ones you see on your screen. You have to send your new flags back to the server before they change on the server. If you copy a message to another folder, mutt will just ask the server to move the message, without (probably) loading it locally first (why transfer a large message to mutt over a dialup connection only to stick it back on the server?). So the flags on the server will still be unchanged unless you have $ynced. I can't really tell, but I suspect this is the case since I am dialling up to my workstation via SSH and therefore have a 100mbps link to the mailserver at all times. -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. |-tel +212.3.767.4861 |-fax +212.3.767.4863 |-14, rue 16 novembre |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: external page: vi -> vim / avoid dangerous mappings!
On 06-Mar-02 at 00:53, Sven Guckes's inspired musing was thus : > danger, will robinson! you just might mistype > 'X' with 'Z' and then all your changes are lost. Not if you have a French AZERTY or german ZSDF keyboard... -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. / \ |-tel +212.3.767.4861# GIMPS current unit progress: 28.10% # |-fax +212.3.767.4863# (http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm) # |-14, rue 16 novembre\ / |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: how to print html-mails -> return to sender
Don't forget also, while we're on this kind of bandwagon, that the whole point of email is for it to be read on a CRT/FlatPanel/etc and not on paper. I am dismayed by the number of people who don't actually READ mail until it's on a piece of paper in front of them. Yuck. Simon. On 04-Mar-02 at 16:17, Marco Fioretti's inspired musing was thus : > > * Johannes Franken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020303 12:12]: > > > > What's the best way to print those mails from mutt - > > > including the pics while not using X? > > > > > Johannes, > > I agree with Sven. If there ***really*** had been a need for > pictures (i.e. if they are not some company logo) they could have > sent a compressed file as attachment, or just put the page online > somewhere, and sent you the URL. > > IMPORTANT: when asking them to behave properly (i.e. to not send > HTML messages) don't mention Mutt: if they were able to understand > it, they would not send HTML mail at all. Mention the REAL motive > to avoid HTML email: > > it wastes bandwidth, slowing needlessly everyone online, and > > forces the RECEIVER to waste HIS time and (if on dialup) money > to see a uselessly fancier message. > > Botht things are bad/uneducated even among window users only. > > Ciao, > > Marco > > > > load them up in some ugly M$ web browser. > > that' what they were intended for anyway. > > > > my advice: tell the sender to send you > > a printout via snail mail. works for me. > > > > if i'ts ok for the M$ weenies to ask for > > data in special formats - so can we. > > why accept mails with problems anyway? > > > > Sven > > -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. / \ |-tel +212.3.767.4861# GIMPS current unit progress: 25.89% # |-fax +212.3.767.4863# (http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm) # |-14, rue 16 novembre\ / |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: Deleting text in subject "flea"
On 04-Mar-02 at 08:07, pat's inspired musing was thus : > I had the same when I ran mutt inside a 'konsole' window. Try opening > mutt in an 'xterm' window. Seems that the windows ?keybindings? are > just a little different. > It works fine in xterm. However, the konsole window I have is personalised and looks nicer. Arrrgh. I will play around. -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. / \ |-tel +212.3.767.4861# GIMPS current unit progress: 25.81% # |-fax +212.3.767.4863# (http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm) # |-14, rue 16 novembre\ / |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Deleting text in subject "flea"
Hello I send this before, got no feedback, need an opinion please Whenever I input text at the statusline under the pager, for example an email address, a subject, a file to attach, etc... if I delete then sometimes I get strange effects. This seems to happen specifically when I have input more than 8 characters, which is usual for filenames with full paths and email addresses. So if I make a typo I have to delete right back to the beginning, and the cursor seems to jump around a bit, and leaves some text undeletable although it is deleted in the buffer because I type again from scratch and tab completion works, and I have a clean email address when I get into vi to edit the mail. This may be an issue with my terminal settings, but can someone please let me know if this happens to them (or definitively say that it doesn't) before I screw up my terminal settings when I try to hack them? -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. / \ |-tel +212.3.767.4861# GIMPS current unit progress: 25.55% # |-fax +212.3.767.4863# (http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm) # |-14, rue 16 novembre\ / |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
Re: Setting the hostname used in HELO
On 03-Mar-02 at 00:24, Jonathan Irving's inspired musing was thus : > * Simon White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.02.28 18:02 +]: > > No, what I was trying to say (perhaps I wasn't clear) is that > > you cannot get mutt to send mail to your public SMTP server, > > you have to run an SMTP server on your machine in order to get > > mutt to send mail. There are several suggestions depending on > > your setup, see the mutt web pages and the manual, usually in > > /usr/local/doc/mutt/manual.txt. > > You actually need a SMTP /client/ with a sendmail commandline > interface. Sorry to be a pedant. Never apologise for being picky about things like that. Using the correct language is appropriate in this case. You're right, you just need a lightweight SMTP client, and indeed running an SMTP server (which of course also functions as a client) may be overkill and cause extra unnecessary configuration. I stand corrected. -- |-Simon White |-Internet Services Manager |-MTDS S.A. / \ |-tel +212.3.767.4861# GIMPS current unit progress: 25.47% # |-fax +212.3.767.4863# (http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm) # |-14, rue 16 novembre\ / |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco
