[NSP] Re: nps detatched

2006-05-17 Thread Gibbons, John
Julia, This topic is certainly worth a detailed and wide discussion, and it would ultimately be worth the Committee issuing //advisory// guidelines. But //prescriptive// guidelines - eg any 2 notes should have a gap between them; grace notes should also be separated, both from their melody note

[NSP] Re: nps detatched

2006-05-17 Thread Gibbons, John
Colin, 'Right reverend' for the Chairman and VP, surely?? I would absolutely agree that the music comes first, and a rigorous prescriptive style could kill the music. My feeling is this is what happened to Highland pipe music. Advisory guidelines, though, might serve to remind people, especially

[NSP] Re: Yes Adrian,

2006-05-19 Thread Gibbons, John
Adrian said, It is a shame that the true way may be lost, due to the ignorance of others. Keeping it religious, I see. But I agree - it annoys me when piper X's non-standard technique is used to justify piper Y's sloppiness. John -Original Message- From: what.me [mailto:[EMAIL

[NSP] Re: 'New Highland Laddie'

2006-05-23 Thread Gibbons, John
Francis, Does that mean 'Dorrington Lads' is safe now? John From: Francis Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 23/05/2006 14:25 To: Gibbons, John Subject: Re: [NSP] 'New Highland Laddie' On 23 May 2006, at 12:01, Gibbons, John wrote: it was the last

[NSP] Re: to choyte or not to choyte

2006-05-25 Thread Gibbons, John
When I started NSP, I was in the habit of using open-fingered gracings (I had been playiing Irish music on flute, so there's an explanation if not an excuse). 'When I was a child, I spake as a child...'. Since I've heard some of the better players live and recorded, I've moved towards eliminating

[NSP] Re: Choyting again

2006-05-31 Thread Gibbons, John
Some of those are MSS and printed music in his possesion - eg the 1st edition of the NPS tunebook. Others are the family's own MSS. I'll look which one you mean - Julia will know the documents better. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 May

[NSP] Re: Choyting again

2006-05-31 Thread Gibbons, John
One gets the impression that if Clough had had more (any?) input into the NPS tunebook, it would have looked very different. He may not have been that happy with what was produced, either. The sets of variations on graph paper you can see on FARNE must have been prepared with publication in mind.

[NSP] Re: All What Jazz?

2006-10-31 Thread Gibbons, John
Then there's composer-player-listener, too... This is maybe where one problem with the Sage piece lay - The people who listened to KT and to the pipes are not the same people, mostly, that listen to pieces by Max. Add in the fact that you couldn't hear the pipes right whether you were listening

[NSP] Re: German word

2007-04-24 Thread Gibbons, John
Is there much theory of German plurals at all? Or do you just have to look them up? The Oxford/Duden let me down, presumably not having been written by a piper, hence my mistake. I think we can ignore the related but irrelevant meanings - if meaning affected how plurals formed, languages would

[NSP] Back onto topic

2007-04-25 Thread Gibbons, John
We could try discussing piping again maybe? The time we tried that about a year ago, war nearly broke out though John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: G sets

2007-05-30 Thread Gibbons, John
G chanter with holes angularly fan-bored to widen their outer-end spacing But the circumference isn't that great, so how much advantage can you get this way? On a recorder there is more bore so more profit in doing it this way. And covering the holes is far easier when your fingers are

[NSP] Re: Finger spacing

2008-01-10 Thread Gibbons, John
The finger spacing on such a tenor NSP would be like a treble, rather than a sopranino recorder - should lie quite reasonably under the fingers, and without too much stretch. Presumably other dimensions - bore etc - would need scaling in proportion. The reed could well be a difficulty, but not

[NSP] Re: Finger spacing

2008-01-10 Thread Gibbons, John
But the fellow players' pitch, to the runner's ears, would be raised too. Two minor thirds is a tritone, so if I run fast enough for the D pipes I'm playing to sound F to a stationary player, the F pipes he's playing will sound G# to me. Nasty -Original Message- From: Francis Wood

[NSP] Re: Inky Bob - 2nd attempt

2008-01-23 Thread Gibbons, John
It sounded good. Even the dire-sounding MIDI player on concertina.net didn't ruin it! John -Original Message- From: Francis Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 January 2008 16:09 To: nsp Cc: Matt Seattle Subject: [NSP] Re: Inky Bob - 2nd attempt On 23 Jan 2008, at 15:58, Matt

[NSP] Re: Rusty Gulley

2008-07-21 Thread Gibbons, John
. But whether Rusty Gulley was played as a guajira remains open Do any other sources notate it spaced as 3/4 + 6/8? Matt might know?? John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 July 2008 21:55 To: Matt Seattle; Gibbons, John Cc: nsp

[NSP] Re: Rusty Gulley

2008-07-21 Thread Gibbons, John
To: Gibbons, John Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: Rusty Gulley Good examples, John. Everything you mention here I would consider as syncopation rather than change of metre, or in the case of Risty Gulley, alternating metre. Maybe this is a too-subtle distinction

[NSP] Re: Rusty Gulley

2008-07-21 Thread Gibbons, John
Colin, On my reading of Dixon, strain 4 is the one that makes most sense that way. Number 2 can play this way too. Strain 1, with the e's falling on the (dotted minim) beat, definitely reads as 9/4= 3 times 3/4 to me. So does strain 3. From 5 onwards, the interest is melodic, not rhythmic -

[NSP] Re: jhf

2008-08-22 Thread Gibbons, John
Adrian gives an excellent description of the top a to g note gracing as sounding like a seagull in pain if not executed properly, which is one prominent example of open gracing very commonly heard. Not executed properly? But isn't it meant to sound like that? The cry of the curlew, bleating of

[NSP] Re: The great choyte debate redux

2008-08-22 Thread Gibbons, John
There's an Arvo Part piece, Credo, which starts quoting Bach in C major, then as that introduces an accidental, Part introduces more and more, till the 'harmony' consists of a nasty 12-note cluster. I heard him talking about the piece, and he said that first modulation was like original sin,

[NSP] Re: Etymology of the 'C' word - 2

2008-09-16 Thread Gibbons, John
The question is whether choyting is *morally* wrong. Inflicting horrible noises on the unsuspecting public, because it's easier, and passing it off as 'traditional' in the absence of much evidence that it was ever common in the tradition, could be regarded as both selfish and dishonest... Doing

[NSP] Re: Fool, fearing to tread, aka Peacock marks

2008-09-22 Thread Gibbons, John
Inverted mordents, *if played detached*, can be quite effective for some of these 'trills'. They would sound better if I was good enough But most seem to be where you want to put vibrato. John -Original Message- From: Richard York [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2008

[NSP] Re: Fool, fearing to tread, aka Peacock marks

2008-09-22 Thread Gibbons, John
But there was at least one decent engraver in Newcastle! And he liked pipe music too. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2008 11:56 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Fool, fearing to tread, aka Peacock marks On 22 Sep 2008,

[NSP] Re: Fool, fearing to tread, aka Peacock marks

2008-09-23 Thread Gibbons, John
The Henry Atkinson MS has several commonly notated ornaments - * A pair of vertical lines over a note: || * A pair of diagonal lines over a note: \\ * A pair of diagonal lines through the vertical of a note. These are easy to distinguish and are often used together, eg in the Reed House Rant.

[NSP] Re: Mistakes in public perfomance

2008-09-30 Thread Gibbons, John
Back to those comments of Tom Clough's that resurfaced in the great choyting debate. I could sit hours and hear the worst piper that ever played, if there is such a thing as a poor Northumbrian small piper. Imagination has always played a big part in my playing and listening, and it's

[NSP] Re: Piping under threat!

2008-10-02 Thread Gibbons, John
Seems to me that as the pipes have been around for about 500 years in their present form, ... With the keys, 200 is more like it. 'Peacock's New Invented Chanter', illustrated just after 1800. So the core repertoire, at least in the earliest local version (Dixon, in the 1730's), predates the

[NSP] Re: More code?

2008-10-07 Thread Gibbons, John
So neither content-free nor context-free Now we see through a glass, (of Guinness) darkly... John -Original Message- From: Matt Seattle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 October 2008 10:02 To: Robert Greef Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: More code? I'll spell it out

[NSP] Re: Tharsei

2008-10-07 Thread Gibbons, John
In the early part of the century there was a 'head' of perhaps half a dozen excellent pipers in various styles. And others, the 'tail' less excellent, but more numerous, perhaps in the dozens. The head is still less than a dozen strong at most, - I won't name them as if I leave one out by

[NSP] Re: Maa Bonny Lad

2008-10-31 Thread Gibbons, John
: Oct 31 2008, 02:53 PM From: Gibbons, John To: the Red Goblin , nsp Cc: Subject: [NSP] Re: Maa Bonny Lad Of course the 'ower long' in the printed text, probably sounded 'ower lang', so we don't fully lose the internal rhyme. I read

[NSP] Re: Starting point

2009-01-06 Thread Gibbons, John
Another one on the publishing agenda might be Lionel Winship's book. Roughly contemporary with Bewick, it's on FARNE, but never published in hard copy. It gives another view of what pipers were playing then. Some Irish tunes - 'Paddy O'Rafferty' is magnificent. But difficult for NSP - did Lionel

[NSP] Re: Jimmy Allen

2009-01-15 Thread Gibbons, John
If the tune was not recorded pre 1974 (it seems), or known to be published pre 1964, then to assume 'it has been around for ever' is a bit of a long shot. It doesn't appear in any of the sources on Farne, so if old it may still be a recent import to the NE. If it were an old NE tune I would

[NSP] Re: Copyright issues

2009-01-16 Thread Gibbons, John
Performing right is a separate minefield, similar but not identical to copyright. Traditional music is ok, but composers and their heirs should be paid the due whack for performances. Usually via PRS. John -Original Message- From: malcra...@aol.com [mailto:malcra...@aol.com] Sent: 16

[NSP] Re: Copyright issues

2009-01-16 Thread Gibbons, John
Must have been nice when the likes of Mr Allen just swapped and played tunes Actually the word is 'stole'. Especially Mr Allen. Long may it continue. -Original Message- From: colin [mailto:cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 16 January 2009 14:12 To: NSP group Subject: [NSP]

[NSP] Re: Copyright issues

2009-01-16 Thread Gibbons, John
This explains why a lot of tune books in print have slightly tweaked versions of standard tunes - If these are reproduced, which would be unlikely to be accidental or on grounds of taste in many cases, there is then a potential claim for breach of copyright. John -Original

[NSP] Re: malcom's final solution

2009-03-06 Thread Gibbons, John
The survey may not tell Malcolm as much as he hopes. As well as 'where are the holes?' we also need to know 'is the note sharp or flat?'. It's not just size that matters - internal shape does too, as if a hole is significantly undercut, it will affect the pitch. And the bore of the chanter, the

[NSP] Re: Confused!

2009-03-10 Thread Gibbons, John
Mouth music? -Original Message- From: nsp-request+j.gibbons=ic.ac...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:nsp-request+j.gibbons=ic.ac...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of julia@nspipes.co.uk Sent: 10 March 2009 10:04 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Confused! Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009

[NSP] Re: First 30 tunes

2009-03-10 Thread Gibbons, John
: 10 March 2009 23:06 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: Gibbons, John; rosspi...@aol.com Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes : rosspi...@aol.com said as we have most of the other tunes that are in our publications in ABC form it could be applied to all those tunes that beginners have difficulty

[NSP] Re: Chanter hole spacings

2009-03-11 Thread Gibbons, John
'susceptible smallest environmental Change, whether atmospheric' Going from one room to another at Halsway was enough to unfettle mine very seriously. Going out in the drizzle with them cured it for a while. Happily, so did bringing them home. The warm welcoming atmosphere there has its

[NSP] Re: (Fwd) Jimmy Allan traditional (?)

2009-03-12 Thread Gibbons, John
But the Scottish name was not Jimmy Allen - it was 'Reel of Tullochgorum', so I understood. Stealing a tune, and renaming it is what Jamie would have done - but getting the new name wrong smacks of carelessness... John -Original Message- From:

[NSP] Re: Halsway playaround

2009-03-13 Thread Gibbons, John
Alan, I think this would be a bad idea - the tuition is crucial to getting people thinking intensively about piping. The playarounds are better in consequence. John -Original Message- From: nsp-request+j.gibbons=ic.ac...@cs.dartmouth.edu

[NSP] Re: Keep on Ranting!

2009-03-14 Thread Gibbons, John
http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html Is good too, but doesn't like blank lines. John -Original Message- From: nsp-request+j.gibbons=ic.ac...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:nsp-request+j.gibbons=ic.ac...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of tim rolls BT Sent: 14 March 2009 09:41 To: 'NSP

[NSP] Re: The Lost Music of Newsham

2009-03-16 Thread Gibbons, John
'I can feel a jig coming on!' Or a dirge - given the speed these recordings came out? John -Original Message- From: nsp-request+j.gibbons=ic.ac...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:nsp-request+j.gibbons=ic.ac...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis Wood Sent: 16 March 2009 11:21 To:

[NSP] Re: Mail not getting to list

2009-03-20 Thread Gibbons, John
Colin, There may be a problem. I thought I'd noticed that once or twice with messages of mine, but decided I might have hit 'reply', not 'reply all'. Are you getting one or 2 copies of this vacuous message? John -Original Message- From: nsp-request+j.gibbons=ic.ac...@cs.dartmouth.edu

[NSP] Re: When did a rant become a Rant?

2009-04-05 Thread Gibbons, John
The words 'reel' and 'rant' were quite unstable in meaning in the 18th century - 'The Reel of Harden' is a 9/8, for example. 'Hornpipe', too, can mean a dance in 4/4, 3/2 or 9/8. As tunes seem not to have been interchanged with others of similar type for a given dance until later, a tune

[NSP] Re: Rants

2009-04-14 Thread Gibbons, John
So from rants to rants... My feeling is that the crotchet-heavy 4/4 feel of a rant, as played for dancing, is probably the opposite of what Peacock liked doing - that is playing/listening music if anything is. But there are tunes in there - some of the short ones particularly - with an

[NSP] Re: I must be daft

2009-04-14 Thread Gibbons, John
Robert quoted: Let pipers take the music in any direction they wish but to have any connection with Northumbrian piping as such they must spend time studying the starting point thoroughly before setting off on their journey. If people dont see the point in doing this then chosing to

[NSP] Re: Fenwick

2009-04-27 Thread Gibbons, John
Was there anyone mortal who ever executed a turned shake on the NSP at reasonable speed? Without slurring or poor intonation? To do it open, you need to lift 3 adjacent fingers. I can't execute anything much more complex than a mordent closed-fingered, though I'm sure better pipers can. That

[NSP] Re: nps

2009-04-28 Thread Gibbons, John
James Galway playing tin whistle used to be alarming, though the Chieftains taught him a better, more fluid, style subsequently. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu Sent: 28 April 2009 09:46

[NSP] Re: Staccato

2009-04-28 Thread Gibbons, John
'poco staccato' - 1/2 its written length, replacing the remainder with a short period of silence 'staccato' - half its written length, replacing the other half with a period of silence 'staccatissimo' - 1/2 its written length, replacing the remainder with a long period of silence Aim

[NSP] Re: nps

2009-04-28 Thread Gibbons, John
I have never heard them played closed, and they sound dreadful, open. Simpler graces sound better closed to my ear, but I thought these were beyond the power of human fingers... John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ian

[NSP] Re: Fenwick tutors

2009-04-29 Thread Gibbons, John
If the 'Clough exercises' are based on the ones he was taught by Thomas Todd, presumably as exercises for tunes he'd play subsequently, and some are found in Felton Lonnen and Jacky Layton, it strongly suggests these 'Fenwick' versions are Todd's. Frightening, but very instructive, that these

[NSP] Re: Fenwick tutors

2009-04-29 Thread Gibbons, John
This excuses the Society - for Bruce and Stokoe may have been the best men they had left for the job - But BS stating distinct tunes (with distinct harmonies) to be versions of one another, and drastically cutting variation sets just as they get interesting, suggest a deep failure of

[NSP] Re: New NPS president

2009-05-19 Thread Gibbons, John
The President's role has in my experience been seen as more ceremonial and PR - Advocacy for the pipes is what the job needs, and got from its last 2 incumbents. An analogy might be the Chancellor as against the VC of a University. Choosing a short list of outstanding players would be the easy

[NSP] Re: Colin Ross

2009-05-21 Thread Gibbons, John
Colin's services to the instrument and its music are huge - and far outweigh any recent disagreements. His contribution to pipemaking alone is vast; his contribution to the music over decades, is equally so. That there are so many pipers today, playing beautiful and reliable instruments in the

[NSP] Re: F.a.o. Francis others

2009-05-27 Thread Gibbons, John
Anthony, I don't want to add to the rancour - but is it a 'fundamentally' oral tradition? Of course music is dead unless played and heard, but local people, starting with Henry Atkinson 300+ years ago and continuing till the present, have been writing down versions of Northumbrian tunes. The

[NSP] Re: smallpipes

2009-05-27 Thread Gibbons, John
There is no doubt that KT can play as accurately as anyone, when/if she chooses to. But as she has got more 'popular' the style has got more open - lots of choytes, still against an otherwise closed background. She's obviously trying to add contrast. Too many choytes for my taste, though. The

[NSP] Re: Style/dots

2009-05-27 Thread Gibbons, John
Started from? 1862? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Dave S Sent: 27 May 2009 21:23 To: Anthony Robb; nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Style/dots Hi Anthony, let me quote a passage showing that perhaps todays

[NSP] Re: smallpipes

2009-05-28 Thread Gibbons, John
Wasn't Sebastian's grandpa, Christoph Bach, a town piper in Erfurt? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis Wood Sent: 28 May 2009 09:57 To: christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu Cc: Dartmouth NPS Subject: [NSP] Re:

[NSP] Re: smallpipes

2009-05-28 Thread Gibbons, John
The point about KT's gracenotes isn't that they are there, but they are open-fingered. Not in the traditional manner - indeed 'a grievous error in smallpiping'. Tom Clough had gracenotes - but his style was to play those detached from the notes they decorated. 'There is no arguing with taste

[NSP] Re: Presidency Latest

2009-05-28 Thread Gibbons, John
Baker; NIGEL BARLOW; Nigel Barlow; Bill Bohill; Daphne Briggs; Steve Campbell; Helen Capes; Pauline Cato; Margaret Cato; colin; Dave Cook; Rick Damon; RichardAnita Evans; Reg Flower; Gibbons, John; Gibbons, John; Gordon Greenley; Marianne Hall; Honor Hill; David Hillery; Nick Hopkinson; Simon

[NSP] Re: this list is safer now

2009-06-09 Thread Gibbons, John
From another tradition - some of the best Irish fiddlers, especially from Clare, play what at first seems painfully slow, then you realise the wonderful things they are doing between the melody notes. A lot of players (eg in Kerry) play far quicker for dancing than is musically satisfying -

[NSP] Re: this list is safer now

2009-06-09 Thread Gibbons, John
The Peacock tunes should be played at a speed such that the shortest note passages (usually the semiquaver figures) can be played well - accurately, comfortably, and with a sense of phrasing. Too slow, you can lose the sense of the underlying harmonic rhythm, but too fast, and you get a heap of

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2009-06-10 Thread Gibbons, John
Matt wrote: how the arpeggios in the last strain - which I previously thought of as mere padding - can come alive if the initial note of four is held as long as possible without making the next three impossible - does this work for any NSP players here? The idea of delaying

[NSP] Re: Looking for other NSP players in Suffolk or East Anglia

2009-08-12 Thread Gibbons, John
For playing along with other instruments, I would definitely go for a G set - with the same range as a D whistle. A D set of pipes might suit the range of an mezzo or alto voice better, and does have a mellower tone. G pipes are sometimes a little too reedy and occasionally squeaky. So it

[NSP] Re: Northumbria Pipe Course 11-16 October - Places available

2009-08-13 Thread Gibbons, John
However, the NPS didn't organise the Pipers' Week - it has, as you say, been done independently. I don't think it matters who does it, so long as it is organised well and run at a fair price. Or is it better for the NPS to not do something than for someone else to do it? John

[NSP] Re: Tune title spelling

2009-08-19 Thread Gibbons, John
A grand tune, however you spell it! -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Robb Sent: 19 August 2009 09:59 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; julia@nspipes.co.uk Subject: [NSP] Re: Tune title spelling Hello Julia

[NSP] BL Smallpipe recording archive

2009-09-04 Thread Gibbons, John
Maureen has noticed that: The British Library has released some Northumberland smallpipes recordings for free. Check them out using the following link: [1]http://sounds.bl.uk/SearchResults.aspx?query=northumbrian%20pipescategory=Wo rld-and-traditional-musicpublicdomainonly=false The first

[NSP] Re: BL Smallpipe recording archive

2009-09-09 Thread Gibbons, John
Neil, Thanks for this. You don't seem to have got access to all the tunes on the site. There are thousands - most on open access. Barry Say, Maureen and I had got a partial listing of the George Atkinson tunes, (search 'George Atkinson') but I wanted to make sure everyone was agreed and the

[NSP] Re: Evans set on eBay

2009-09-09 Thread Gibbons, John
How many times has the Irish Flute Store put 'their own' Evans set of NSP up for sale and advertised it on the list? Pipers selling their own playing set on the list is ok, but professional dealers using it for free advertising is taking the piss, isn't it? John -Original Message-

[NSP] Re: Cut and Dry Dolly

2009-09-16 Thread Gibbons, John
Snap! -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ian Lawther Sent: 16 September 2009 17:14 To: Richard Leach Cc: Dartmouth Subject: [NSP] Re: Cut and Dry Dolly Pure speculation but is there a chance that cut and dry herbs were

[NSP] Re: [BULK] Re: [nsp] file

2009-11-02 Thread Gibbons, John
Perhaps we can do better than that? Can we construct a mail header that's as sophisticated an artwork as, say, Cut and Dry Dolly, or failing that, the Ring Cycle? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis Wood Sent: 02

[NSP] Re: [BULK] Re: [nsp] file - William Darling

2009-11-02 Thread Gibbons, John
And the place! John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gretton Sent: 02 November 2009 17:10 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: [BULK] Re: [nsp] file This is fascinating stuff. Thanks, Margaret. BTW, could

[NSP] Re: Overlooked

2009-11-03 Thread Gibbons, John
Considering the Irish musicians I have played with - predominantly ear-players, some necessarily so, none of them played *from* the dots, but many of the versions in the sessions we played in were very close to literate sources such as O'Neill and Breathnach. Some of these versions were widely

[NSP] Re: schei greiss

2009-11-04 Thread Gibbons, John
Everyone knows mathematicians can't do arithmetic! But I'll pretend it was a typo... John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Seattle Sent: 04 November 2009 11:24 To: gibbonssoi...@aol.com Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu

[NSP] Re: Radio Mics and channel 69

2009-11-19 Thread Gibbons, John
Don't radio mics ... just work on a local signal? Yes, but mobile BB will be everywhere - radio mics on channel 69 will probably be unusable, and will sound like when you phone a fax machine. Further the mobile BB people have enough clout that ofcom will clamp down on any source of

[NSP] Re: From notation to music

2009-12-01 Thread Gibbons, John
I am a fairly good ear player and a fairly good sight-reader, but, unfortunately, dreadful at turning sound into notation - I need to ask my fingers what they are doing. Only 2 sides of the triangle. The link from sound back to notation is missing in my case. I found it weird that Mike's

[NSP] Re: NSP oil for pipes and key pads

2010-01-13 Thread Gibbons, John
I can't see LP getting too sticky - I have never noticed that happen. There isn't much chemistry can take place, short of lighting it, and the volatile components should have been distilled off at the refinery. If heavier fractions did build up, the most obvious solvent for shifting it would

[NSP] Re: NSP oil for pipes and key pads

2010-01-13 Thread Gibbons, John
play frequently, you do not have a problem with stuck keys! Gibbons, John wrote: I can't see LP getting too sticky - I have never noticed that happen. There isn't much chemistry can take place, short of lighting it, and the volatile components should have been distilled off

[NSP] Re: Key Matters. Not pipes, but of musical interest

2010-02-03 Thread Gibbons, John
Well spotted. It's odd maybe that Gmaj on NSP has a similar feel to Gmaj on a flute, (comfortable, in some sense the native key of the instrument) but acoustically nearer to Fmaj. How much do these associations depend on the context? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu

[NSP] Re: Sliabh na m'Ban (was Gaelic Pronunciation)

2010-02-06 Thread Gibbons, John
Julia, The tune in Geoff's transcription is the same one as appears, much simplified, on The Session. It is good that Geoff made such a serious effort to transcribe Billy's timing and ornament - never an easy job. I think this one is the 'real' Sliabh na mBan. That one on the You Tube clip

[NSP] Re: NSP duet with other instruments

2010-02-08 Thread Gibbons, John
some people love Wagner's Operas and I don't, despite a classical musical education 'Because of', surely?? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Richard York Sent: 07 February 2010 12:48 To: rosspi...@aol.com; NSP group

[NSP] Re: NSP duet with other instruments

2010-02-10 Thread Gibbons, John
Barry said If only pipes were so simple The formula for strings: f = (1/2L) * sqrt (T/mu) neglects all sorts of effects, such as the bow or the finger, the rigidity of the string, the speed of tension waves in the string, etc. And we haven't thought of the motion of the fiddle's bridge and

[NSP] Re: NSP duet with other instruments

2010-02-10 Thread Gibbons, John
Or the pitch of the discussion could rise... -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis Wood Sent: 10 February 2010 13:01 To: Barry Say Cc: NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP duet with other instruments Thanks Barry.

[NSP] Re: pipe cases

2010-02-18 Thread Gibbons, John
GHB will of course need a much bigger pipe, and *both* ends should be stuck on. John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gretton Sent: 18 February 2010 16:52 To: 'colin'; 'Dartmouth NPS' Subject: [NSP] Re: pipe cases

[NSP] Re: Smallpipes Simulator

2010-04-23 Thread Gibbons, John
The fun comes - in trying to keep drones in tune - when different drones move in opposite directions as the pressure fluctuates. Ideally, they shouldn't care about pressure that much, so fluctuations to keep chanter notes in tune don't affect the drone notes. But once they decide that the G

[NSP] Re: The Dark Island

2010-04-23 Thread Gibbons, John
Maybe a more topical one 'The Duck Island'? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Robb Sent: 11 April 2010 23:27 To: Dartmouth NPS Subject: [NSP] The Dark Island Bill Telfer wrote: Aye I've heard Ian

[NSP] Re: Parnell's March

2010-06-07 Thread Gibbons, John
I thought it was a march! There isn't much to choose between how people play dotted 4/4, (as in the duet book arrangement of this) and how they play 12/8 anyway. If it has 4 beats in the bar, (strong-weak-strong-weak) and a good bounce to the rhythm, it will sound right, however you spell it.

[NSP] La Grande ChaƮne

2010-07-09 Thread Gibbons, John
Is there a date for the tune's first appearance in Northumberland? Did it arrive during the war??? John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[NSP] Re: Reeds

2010-07-09 Thread Gibbons, John
Anthony's comments about adjacent slips from the same piece of cane made me wonder if the north and south side of the cane would be of differing elasticity or density?? Variation with height is clearer, of course. John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu

[NSP] Re: 4-bar reels

2010-09-08 Thread Gibbons, John
Probably not a typo. The 'n-bar' description seems to apply indiscriminately to tunes of total length n bars, and tunes with strains that long. I'd call Peacock's Bonny Pit Laddie a 6-bar jig; but a tune like The Hexham Quadrille, with 3 eight bar strains repeated, is often called a 48-bar jig.

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2010-09-08 Thread Gibbons, John
4-bar jigs are worth thinking about too - see 'I cannot get time to play with my hinny' (both versions) on FARNE, or of course 'Wylam Away'. There are a few others, like Blowzabella, but maybe there should be more! John -- To get on or off this list see list information

[NSP] Re: 4-bar reels

2010-09-08 Thread Gibbons, John
Sent this to Julia by mistake earlier, instead of to everyone... -Original Message- From: Gibbons, John Sent: 08 September 2010 15:58 To: 'julia@nspipes.co.uk' Subject: RE: [NSP] Re: 4-bar reels It should also be noted that a lot of older '8-bar' reels have the structure of a 4

[NSP] Re: Tune Information

2010-09-28 Thread Gibbons, John
Was the 'Kettle Drum' in the query referring to the D dorian Playford tune, or the G major Scottish polka - in one of Matt's Piper's Pocket Books? John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Richard York Sent: 28 September

[NSP] Re: Cymbal

2010-11-02 Thread Gibbons, John
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organistrum for another name, a description, and a good picture. John From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Philip Gruar [phi...@gruar.clara.net] Sent: 02 November 2010 17:50 To:

[NSP] Re: Tune hunt: OT but I hope interesting!

2010-11-04 Thread Gibbons, John
-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Matt Seattle Sent: 02 November 2010 10:58 To: Gibbons, John Cc: Richard York; NSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Tune hunt: OT but I hope interesting! I see why you prefer the 3-strain Reavely version as more consistent, but the Crawhall

[NSP] Re: Where hast though been all the night?

2010-11-04 Thread Gibbons, John
|dcB dcB|dGB c2e|d/c/B/A/B/G/ Bcd|dgf d2|| From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Gibbons, John [j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk] Sent: 04 November 2010 11:57 To: 'NSP group' Subject: [NSP] Re: Tune hunt: OT but I hope interesting

[NSP] Re: Where hast though been all the night?

2010-11-04 Thread Gibbons, John
November 2010 16:56 To: julia@nspipes.co.uk Cc: nSP group; Gibbons, John Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: Where hast though been all the night? Before you read on - is anyone besides John Gibbons, Julia Say and myself interested in this? Seriously, please say so, I'd like to know, because if not, we can

[NSP] Re: Where hast though been all the night?

2010-11-04 Thread Gibbons, John
Give it a go on the gurdy too - It will be interesting to know if this could have been the tune you asked about. Does it lie as well under the fingers on a hurdy-gurdy as on NSP? John From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf

[NSP] Re: Where hast thou been a' the day, waggin' thy hand?

2010-11-05 Thread Gibbons, John
group; Gibbons, John Subject: [NSP] Re: Where hast though been all the night? Before you read on - is anyone besides John Gibbons, Julia Say and myself interested in this? Seriously, please say so, I'd like to know, because if not, we can carry on the discussion privately. If anyone

[NSP] Re: Where hast thou been a' the day, waggin' thy hand?

2010-11-06 Thread Gibbons, John
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Julia Say [julia@nspipes.co.uk] Sent: 06 November 2010 06:11 To: Matt Seattle; Gibbons, John Cc: nSP group Subject: [NSP] Re: Where hast thou been a' the day, waggin' thy hand? On 6 Nov 2010, Julia Say

[NSP] Re: Where hast thou been a' the day, waggin' thy hand?

2010-11-06 Thread Gibbons, John
[theborderpi...@googlemail.com] Sent: 06 November 2010 13:42 To: julia@nspipes.co.uk Cc: Gibbons, John; nSP group Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: Where hast thou been a' the day, waggin' thy hand? On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Julia Say julia@nspipes.co.ukmailto:julia@nspipes.co.uk wrote

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