Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Yue Wang
I see, no font is defined when dumping the formats... pretty unlike plain TeX... then why so much time is used for iwona, while only 1.2 sec is used to load lm roman? On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: Yue Wang wrote: Hi, On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Mojca

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Hans Hagen
Yue Wang wrote: I see, no font is defined when dumping the formats... pretty unlike plain TeX... then why so much time is used for iwona, while only 1.2 sec is used to load lm roman? see previous mail ... because xetex rebuilds the fc cache each time; so it's not related to context as all

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Yue Wang
xetex rebuilds the fc cache each time; so it's not related to context as all name lookups suffer from the same then if it tries to load lm, it will build fc cache too, why is the loading time too short? in short, can you please explain to us why %engine=xetex \usetypescript[modern][ec

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Mojca Miklavec
two seconds. A run with iwona takes 2.1 seconds (2.4 when some math equations are added) and a run with LM takes 1.1 seconds. The timings refer to subsequent runs, not to the first run. Maybe I should try to experiment on Windows. I have no idea when XeTeX forces reload of fc-cache, but I suspect

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Mojca Miklavec
in short, can you please explain to us why %engine=xetex \usetypescript[modern]    [ec] Once you explain why you use [ec] ... Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 16:09, Mojca Miklavec wrote: in short, can you please explain to us why %engine=xetex \usetypescript[modern]    [ec] Once you explain why you use [ec] ... I thought it made a difference, but I indeed don't see any timing difference when [ec] is added, but you need

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Yue Wang
Hi, Mojca: Once you explain why you use [ec] ... Hans uses [ec] in the previous mail. anyway, %engine=xetex \usetypescript[palatino] \setupbodyfont[palatino,10pt] \starttext \input zapf \stoptext uses TeXExec | runtime: 6.516 while %engine=xetex \usetypescript[modern

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 16:07, Yue Wang wrote: Hi, Hans in short, can you please explain to us why %engine=xetex \usetypescript[modern]    [ec] \switchtobodyfont[modern,    10pt] \starttext \input zapf \stoptext uses TeXExec | runtime: 1.577 while %engine=xetex \usetypescript

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Yue Wang
Hi, what's the difference between lm and palatino? (I think lm contains more fonts.) Out of curiosity: does timing change if you delete everything but iwona from type-otf.mkii? maybe just set cont-sys.rme, and enable palatino there, then the palatino loading time can be very short.

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Yue Wang
Hi, context never dumps fonts in the format there is one line in cont-en.tex: \setupencoding[default=ec] \usetypescript[fallback][\defaultencoding] \setupbodyfont[rm,12pt] also in context.tex: \setupencoding[default=ec] \usetypescript[fallback][\defaultencoding] \setupbodyfont[rm,12pt] the

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Hans Hagen
(not the fonts themselves but the typescript defs) Maybe I should try to experiment on Windows. I have no idea when XeTeX forces reload of fc-cache, but I suspect that any other application does the same if font database becomes outdated. I didn't notice subsequent runs of fc-cache though. Once fc-cache

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Hans Hagen
Mojca Miklavec wrote: in short, can you please explain to us why %engine=xetex \usetypescript[modern][ec] Once you explain why you use [ec] ... because i also run the test for pdftex

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Hans Hagen
Mojca Miklavec wrote: Out of curiosity: does timing change if you delete everything but iwona from type-otf.mkii? unrelated - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Hans Hagen
Yue Wang wrote: Hi, what's the difference between lm and palatino? (I think lm contains more fonts.) Out of curiosity: does timing change if you delete everything but iwona from type-otf.mkii? maybe just set cont-sys.rme, and enable palatino there, then the palatino loading time can be

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-25 Thread Hans Hagen
Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 18:19, Hans Hagen wrote: Yue Wang wrote: maybe just set cont-sys.rme, and enable palatino there, then the palatino loading time can be very short. loaded at runtime anyway so unrelated as mentioned several times before now ... it has nothing to

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-24 Thread Yue Wang
Hi, Hans Now I know why XeTeX uses 1-2 minutes to compile a simple document: Each time first-setup.bat runs, it erase the user fontforge cache. So if I compile a document right after updating ConTeXt minimals, XeTeX will automatically run fc-cache to generate the font cache. Today I test

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-24 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 13:33, Yue Wang wrote: Hi, Hans Now I know why XeTeX uses 1-2 minutes to compile a simple document: Each time first-setup.bat runs, it erase the user fontforge cache. So if I compile a document right after updating ConTeXt minimals, XeTeX will automatically run fc

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-24 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 13:33, Yue Wang wrote: Hi, Hans Each time first-setup.bat runs, it erase the user fontforge cache. Where is that cache located? (Are you talking about windows?) Maybe we could prevent deleting the font cache. This might solve your problem. Mojca

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-24 Thread Hans Hagen
Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 13:33, Yue Wang wrote: Hi, Hans Now I know why XeTeX uses 1-2 minutes to compile a simple document: Each time first-setup.bat runs, it erase the user fontforge cache. So if I compile a document right after updating ConTeXt minimals, XeTeX

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-24 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 22:57, Hans Hagen wrote: Mojca Miklavec wrote: Iwona? There are lines like    \definefontsynonym [Iwona-Regular] [file:Iwona-Regular] [features=default] which means that it first searches on texmf tree, but I suspect that math fonts are being searched via fontconfig

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-24 Thread Yue Wang
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:29 AM, Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 13:33, Yue Wang wrote: Hi, Hans Each time first-setup.bat runs, it erase the user fontforge cache. Where is that cache located? (Are you talking about windows?) Maybe we could

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-04-24 Thread Yue Wang
in latin modern). How can I speed up math font loading? change add file: suffix (like [file:rm-iwonar]) won't help :( Yue Wang On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 13:33, Yue Wang wrote: Hi, Hans Now I know why XeTeX

Re: [NTG-context] xetex and attachment: troubles

2009-04-10 Thread Hans Hagen
Jesse Alama wrote: Any progress on this? As of 2009-04-09, attachments with xetex still behave as Andrea described on 2008-03-31. (I'm using the xetex in the minimals.) i didn't look into it; it's mostly a dpx backend issue btw, not that much related to xetex Hans

Re: [NTG-context] xetex and attachment: troubles

2009-04-09 Thread Jesse Alama
Any progress on this? As of 2009-04-09, attachments with xetex still behave as Andrea described on 2008-03-31. (I'm using the xetex in the minimals.) Jesse Andrea Valle va...@di.unito.it writes: Thanks Mojca, Hans, ok, I've understood. :) -a- On 3 Apr 2008, at 12:17, Hans Hagen

Re: [NTG-context] Strange extra page with xetex ...

2009-04-03 Thread Markus Hubig
Hmm, don't know what's the latest 'zip'. I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 and installed and updated ConTeXt Minimals using the first-setup.sh script. The included XeTeX says: 'This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.999.7 (Web2C 7.5.6)' I can reproduce this error with a small test file: 8

Re: [NTG-context] Strange extra page with xetex ...

2009-04-03 Thread Markus Hubig
. The included XeTeX says: 'This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.999.7 (Web2C 7.5.6)' I can reproduce this error with a small test file: 8 \starttext Bla Bla Blubb ... \stoptext 8 I've attached the resulting PDF-File and the log file. - Markus

Re: [NTG-context] Strange extra page with xetex ...

2009-04-03 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On Apr 3, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Markus Hubig wrote: Hmm, don't know what's the latest 'zip'. I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 and installed and updated ConTeXt Minimals using the first-setup.sh script. The included XeTeX says: 'This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.999.7 (Web2C 7.5.6

Re: [NTG-context] Strange extra page with xetex ...

2009-04-03 Thread Markus Hubig
XeTeX says: 'This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.999.7 (Web2C 7.5.6)' This is irrelevant. Hans wanted to know if you're using the latest ConTeXt version. The answer is in your log file: ConTeXt  ver: 2009.03.24 17:07 MKII  fmt: 2009.4.3  int: english/english so this isn't the latest

[NTG-context] Strange extra page with xetex ...

2009-04-02 Thread Markus Hubig
Hi @all, when i'm using XeTeX (texexec --xtx bla.tex) to create my document I'm getting an extra first page aug PDF output containing the chars sss e ... I'm using ConTeXt Minimals (TeXExec | version 6.2.1 - 1997-2009 - PRAGMA ADE/POD). Is this a known Problem? Is there a fix for it? I'm

Re: [NTG-context] Strange extra page with xetex ...

2009-04-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Markus Hubig wrote: Hi @all, when i'm using XeTeX (texexec --xtx bla.tex) to create my document I'm getting an extra first page aug PDF output containing the chars sss e ... I'm using ConTeXt Minimals (TeXExec | version 6.2.1 - 1997-2009 - PRAGMA ADE/POD). Is this a known Problem

[NTG-context] latext beta + xetex

2009-03-30 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
Hi all, there's a bug somewhere in the latest beta when using it with XeTeX (which I normally don't use, but I have a stubborn pdf file which luatex refuses to embed...). Simple testfile \starttext Hello world \stoptext produces a spurious sss in the output. All best Thomas

Re: [NTG-context] latext beta + xetex

2009-03-30 Thread Willi Egger
in the latest beta when using it with XeTeX (which I normally don't use, but I have a stubborn pdf file which luatex refuses to embed...). Simple testfile \starttext Hello world \stoptext produces a spurious sss in the output. All best Thomas

Re: [NTG-context] latext beta + xetex

2009-03-30 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: Hi all, there's a bug somewhere in the latest beta when using it with XeTeX (which I normally don't use, but I have a stubborn pdf file which luatex refuses to embed...). Simple testfile \starttext Hello world \stoptext produces a spurious sss in the output. ok

Re: [NTG-context] latext beta + xetex

2009-03-30 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
Hi Willi, On Mar 30, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Willi Egger wrote: Is your file also containing Metapost/Metafun code? Nope, and it turned out the pdf file does embed, I had a typo in one of the module files... But the bug in XeTeX is still real! All best Thomas

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX font feature selection

2009-03-15 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 15:33, John Hughes wrote: What is the correct way of selecting a font and using OpenType features? I have tried \definetypeface[linlib][rm][Xserif][Linux Libertine][features=oldstyle] \setupbodyfont[linlib, 12pt] but the output prints Computer Modern (and not with

[NTG-context] XeTeX font feature selection

2009-03-14 Thread John Hughes
What is the correct way of selecting a font and using OpenType features? I have tried \definetypeface[linlib][rm][Xserif][Linux Libertine][features=oldstyle] \setupbodyfont[linlib, 12pt] but the output prints Computer Modern (and not with old-style numerals). The font seems to work without the

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-03-08 Thread Yue Wang
is that normal? %engine=xetex \usetypescript[palatino] \setupbodyfont[palatino] \starttext $$\int_0^t$$ \stoptext uses (see the transcript file for additional information) Output written on test.pdf (1 page). Transcript written on test.log. TeXUtil | parsing file test.tui TeXUtil | shortcuts

Re: [NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-03-04 Thread Hans Hagen
Yue Wang wrote: Hi, When I use XeTeX, font searching through texmf- tree is very slow. search font through fontconfig is very fast. plain TeX or LaTeX does not have that problem. why is that? anyway to improve it? afaik xetex perfers to look in the database first and then on the file system

[NTG-context] Why searching fonts in xetex is so slow?

2009-03-03 Thread Yue Wang
Hi, When I use XeTeX, font searching through texmf- tree is very slow. search font through fontconfig is very fast. plain TeX or LaTeX does not have that problem. why is that? anyway to improve it? Yue Wang

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-02-01 Thread Hans Hagen
Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: attached a more efficient variant Hello Hans, I don't know anything about right-to-left typesetting, but is the result of this desired? (not sure if I copy-pasted properly) \sethebrew test \ConTeXt\ הָלַך test Mojca

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-02-01 Thread Hans Hagen
] while switching between XeTeX and LuaTeX. So this time just for fun: XeTeX doesn't know textdir command, so I commented out both textdir and setcharactermirroring. And then you get XtEConT with XeTeX :) :) :) xetex uses the etex bidi method (\beginL .. \endL and such) I used the wrong set

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-31 Thread J.A.J. Pater
Thanks very much Hans! I will start reading everything about fonts next week. J.A.J. Pater wrote: I've already send a mail in reply to Hans, but it was to big since I attached the TTF. I don't know if the moderator will approve of posting fonts. But it can also be found on the web:

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-31 Thread J.A.J. Pater
So what I wanted was just: \environment heb-sty \starttext test1 {\switchtotypeface [hebrew] הָלַך} test2 \stoptext Thanks again! I'll be using MarkIV for my thesis with XeTeX as a fallback option. Adriaan

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-31 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: attached a more efficient variant Hello Hans, I don't know anything about right-to-left typesetting, but is the result of this desired? (not sure if I copy-pasted properly) \sethebrew test \ConTeXt\ הָלַך test Mojca PS: I get tXeTnoC. I

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-31 Thread J.A.J. Pater
It works OK here: \sethebrew test3 \ConTeXt\ הָלַך test4 gives = test4 הָלַך test3 ConTeXt This is the way the macro is meant to be! I guess the tXeTnoC is indeed a result of improper copy-pasting. Unicode works with invisible formatting characters used to control bidirectional typesetting.

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-31 Thread J.A.J. Pater
My guess was incorrect. I copy-pasted the underneath text into my test file and I got good results. No tXeTnoC. So here it just works like a charm. Grtz, Adriaan. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: attached a more efficient variant Hello Hans, I don't know anything

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-31 Thread Mojca Miklavec
XeTeX and LuaTeX. So this time just for fun: XeTeX doesn't know textdir command, so I commented out both textdir and setcharactermirroring. And then you get XtEConT with XeTeX :) :) :) Mojca PS: keep in mind that the problem lies in user-end not in engine, but I still find the result funny :) I used

[NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-30 Thread J.A.J. Pater
I'm was planning to write my master thesis in XeLaTeX until I discovered that ConTeXt can use the XeTeX engine. I need to use a lot of Hebrew - so Right to Left typing - and some linguistic glyphs and stuff. But from the wiki I understand there are still some issues with ConTeXt's XeTeX

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-30 Thread Yue Wang
Hi, Like the bookmarks may result in some strangeness in certain documents Can someone tell me what kind of strangeness? Many features like dvi / metapost may produce strange result. you can search the mailing list and you can find plenty of them. And XeTeX can't use certain specials

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-30 Thread J.A.J. Pater
Thanks for the answers! Especially the tip about searching the mailing list! And if not, why should (or shouldn't) I use MarkIV over XeTeX? Since XeTeX does not provide most of the LuaTeX features. Does LuaTeX support right to left utf-8 Hebrew typing with ttf/otf fonts? Would it be (much

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-30 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:12 PM, J.A.J. Pater jajpa...@gmail.com wrote: Does LuaTeX support right to left utf-8 Hebrew typing with ttf/otf fonts? Would it be (much) more complicated than in XeTeX? LuaTeX has more features for RTL than XeTeX because it's one of the goals of the LuaTeX project

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-30 Thread Hans Hagen
J.A.J. Pater wrote: And now on this list there is a lot of talk about LuaTeX and Mark IV. So I wonder: Is it possible to use MarkIV and XeTeX engine at the same time? And if not, why should (or shouldn't) I use MarkIV over XeTeX? you could use both at the same time, but xetex uses mkii

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-30 Thread Hans Hagen
J.A.J. Pater wrote: Thanks for the answers! Especially the tip about searching the mailing list! And if not, why should (or shouldn't) I use MarkIV over XeTeX? Since XeTeX does not provide most of the LuaTeX features. Does LuaTeX support right to left utf-8 Hebrew typing with ttf/otf

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-30 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:29 AM, J.A.J. Pater wrote: I'm was planning to write my master thesis in XeLaTeX until I discovered that ConTeXt can use the XeTeX engine. I need to use a lot of Hebrew - so Right to Left typing - and some linguistic glyphs and stuff. But from the wiki I understand

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and/or LuaTeX?

2009-01-30 Thread J.A.J. Pater
I've already send a mail in reply to Hans, but it was to big since I attached the TTF. I don't know if the moderator will approve of posting fonts. But it can also be found on the web: http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsiid=EzraSIL_Home So the moderator can drop my last

Re: [NTG-context] trouble with xetex and metapost

2009-01-12 Thread Hans Hagen
Jesse Alama wrote: Using MkII (ver: 2009.01.09 16:57 MKII fmt: 2009.1.11 int: english/english), XeTeX (3.1415926-2.2-0.999.6 (Web2C 7.5.7)), and metapost (Version 1.005 (Web2C 7.5.7)), and metafun (2008-10-19 15:21), I run into some trouble with \usestaticMPfigure: [snip] systems

[NTG-context] trouble with xetex and metapost

2009-01-11 Thread Jesse Alama
Using MkII (ver: 2009.01.09 16:57 MKII fmt: 2009.1.11 int: english/english), XeTeX (3.1415926-2.2-0.999.6 (Web2C 7.5.7)), and metapost (Version 1.005 (Web2C 7.5.7)), and metafun (2008-10-19 15:21), I run into some trouble with \usestaticMPfigure: [snip] systems : end file texexec

Re: [NTG-context] trouble with xetex and metapost

2009-01-11 Thread Jesse Alama
I forgot to add that I don't get this error when compiling with pdftex. Jesse Alama al...@stanford.edu writes: Using MkII (ver: 2009.01.09 16:57 MKII fmt: 2009.1.11 int: english/english), XeTeX (3.1415926-2.2-0.999.6 (Web2C 7.5.7)), and metapost (Version 1.005 (Web2C 7.5.7)), and metafun

Re: [NTG-context] different behavior between xetex and luatex

2008-12-23 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 23 Dec 2008, at 04:26, Yue Wang wrote: Hi, all. I expect different output in xetex and luatex using context. and I think the problem is quite serious although I do not speak Turkish. in turkish, fi can not be treat as ligatures and I can see luatex handle that quite well. however, in xetex

Re: [NTG-context] different behavior between xetex and luatex

2008-12-23 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Jonathan Kew wrote: On 23 Dec 2008, at 04:26, Yue Wang wrote: Hi, all. I expect different output in xetex and luatex using context. and I think the problem is quite serious although I do not speak Turkish. in turkish, fi can not be treat as ligatures and I

Re: [NTG-context] different behavior between xetex and luatex

2008-12-23 Thread Yue Wang
Hi, Hans: When trk is replaced by TRK it works OK in XeTeX. Thanks! So I think we should support lowercase code for xetex as well for api consistency? LuaTeX/MKIV use lowercase labels. Then we can get similar output using the same tex file. Yue Wang

Re: [NTG-context] different behavior between xetex and luatex

2008-12-23 Thread Yue Wang
Hi, Jonathan: Thanks for the analysis! Now I replace the trk with TRK, and xetex output is right. In the LuaTeX case, I don't think *any* ligatures are enabled by default, so the language is irrelevant; notice that there's no ff ligature in your output either, even though this should

[NTG-context] fullpage and XeTeX typescript

2008-12-23 Thread Mohamed Bana
hi, 1. what's the equivalent of the \usepackage{fullpage} for ConTeXt? 2. it would be convenient if LuaTeX supported typescripts like XeTeX does instead of having to define font synonyms, e.g., \definetypeface[mainface][rm][Xserif][Warnock Pro] \definetypeface[mainface][ss][Xsans][Cronos

Re: [NTG-context] fullpage and XeTeX typescript

2008-12-23 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 23.12.2008 um 18:44 schrieb Mohamed Bana: hi, 1. what's the equivalent of the \usepackage{fullpage} for ConTeXt? Tell us next time what a package is supposed to do. \setuplayout [backspace=1in, width=middle, topspace=1in, header=0pt, footer=0pt, height=middle]

Re: [NTG-context] fullpage and XeTeX typescript

2008-12-23 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 23.12.2008 um 18:44 schrieb Mohamed Bana: hi, 1. what's the equivalent of the \usepackage{fullpage} for ConTeXt? file name=example.tex \usemodule[fullpage][style={cm,empty}] %\showframe \starttext \input knuth \stoptext /file file name=p-fullpage.tex %D \module %D [

Re: [NTG-context] fullpage and XeTeX typescript

2008-12-23 Thread Yue Wang
handle well, then the user can define them in the old way.: Yue Wang wrote: last question: is it possible to add fontconfig-like interface? if I define to use minion famaily, then all the alternatives are automatically defined like xetex? i never looked into that interface so i cannot comment

[NTG-context] different behavior between xetex and luatex

2008-12-22 Thread Yue Wang
Hi, all. I expect different output in xetex and luatex using context. and I think the problem is quite serious although I do not speak Turkish. in turkish, fi can not be treat as ligatures and I can see luatex handle that quite well. however, in xetex, fi are treated as ligatures. I attach

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-27 Thread Aditya Mahajan
Not in a mood to be involved in a latex-context flame today, but emacs-vim flame is another story :-) On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) Emacs: Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift. true . ** entirely true **. Glad you like it. (Personally, I use

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-27 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in a mood to be involved in a latex-context flame today, but emacs-vim flame is another story :-) On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl) Emacs:

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-27 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am on the wrong list because I just said ``LaTeX rocks''? There was a smiley at the end of that comment! I would like to apologise you and anyone else from the bottom of my heart if I have offended you and others, but honestly I did not mean

[NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread Yue Wang
hi: it seems that mpfigure will be in the wrong position using the xetex engine. here is the sample file: % engine=xetex \starttext \setupcolors [state=start] \startMPpage path p ; color c[] ; p := fullsquare scaled 4cm ; c[0] := transparent(1,.5,red) ; c[1] := transparent(1,.5

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 26.11.2008 um 10:04 schrieb Yue Wang: hi: it seems that mpfigure will be in the wrong position using the xetex engine. here is the sample file: % engine=xetex \starttext \setupcolors [state=start] \startMPpage path p ; color c[] ; p := fullsquare scaled 4cm ; c[0

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread vafa
ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX. I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs. LaTeX rocks...! Get a FREE AOL Email account with

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX. yes, true. Also LaTeX peaple always have used to say that LaTeX is better than ConTeXt is true I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX. I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs. LaTeX rocks...! Anyone who has never made a mistake has never

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:38:59AM +0100, luigi scarso napisa#322;(a): On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX. yes, true. Not entirely (see below). Also LaTeX peaple always have used to say

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Marcin Borkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:38:59AM +0100, luigi scarso napisa#322;(a): On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread vafa
. -Original Message- From: Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailing list for ConTeXt users ntg-context@ntg.nl Sent: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 9:00 pm Subject: Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ConTeXt peaple always

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread Yue Wang
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX. I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs. Staying at an older version of ConTeXt (for example, I always use

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:09:08AM +0100, luigi scarso napisa#322;(a): On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Marcin Borkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:38:59AM +0100, luigi scarso napisa#322;(a): On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread Hans Hagen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX. I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs. ? for sure the luatex/mkiv (not to be confused with pdftex/mkii) pair has heaps of bugs (which are

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread Yue Wang
moreover, setupinteraction[state=start, focus=normal] and \goto will always point to the wrong position in xetex. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Wolfgang Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 26.11.2008 um 10:04 schrieb Yue Wang: hi: it seems that mpfigure will be in the wrong position

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread Yue Wang
Hi: Please, shut up and code: we need to fix these bugs first! Yue Wang On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Marcin Borkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:38:59AM +0100, luigi scarso napisa#322;(a): On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ConTeXt

Re: [NTG-context] bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

2008-11-26 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 04:28:35AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa#322;(a): ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX. I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs. LaTeX rocks...! Sorry, but I just can't

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX, Adobe Garmond dash, quotes, etc.

2008-11-21 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Bart C. Wise wrote: Mojca, Thanks for all you time in helping out. I'm still having problems. The \quote and \quotation work. However, as you pointed out, the en, em and apostrophe do not work. In addition, [features=default] did not compile, but

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX, Adobe Garmond dash, quotes, etc.

2008-11-21 Thread Bart C. Wise
I think the error I got was not having enough sleep :-) because I worked on it this morning and it's working. I'll tack on my current file below. The font features does not seem to make any difference. However, I took the same typescript and modified it for the Tallys font and I can turn

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX, Adobe Garmond dash, quotes, etc.

2008-11-21 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Bart C. Wise wrote: I think the error I got was not having enough sleep :-) because I worked on it this morning and it's working. I'll tack on my current file below. The font features does not seem to make any difference. However, I took the same typescript

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX, Adobe Garmond dash, quotes, etc.

2008-11-21 Thread Bart C. Wise
Fontforge shows no ligatures for Adobe Garamond; however, it does show ligatures for the Tallys fonts. So that probably explains why there are no ligatures. However, the font has a lot of kerning pairs, but I don't seem to be able turn those on/off with the \definefontfeature directive as I

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX, Adobe Garmond dash, quotes, etc.

2008-11-21 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 21.11.2008 um 18:25 schrieb Bart C. Wise: Fontforge shows no ligatures for Adobe Garamond; however, it does show ligatures for the Tallys fonts. So that probably explains why there are no ligatures. However, the font has a lot of kerning pairs, but I don't seem to be able turn

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX, Adobe Garmond dash, quotes, etc.

2008-11-21 Thread Bart C. Wise
On Friday 21 November 2008 11:11:39 am Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 21.11.2008 um 18:25 schrieb Bart C. Wise: Fontforge shows no ligatures for Adobe Garamond; however, it does show ligatures for the Tallys fonts. So that probably explains why there are no ligatures. However, the font

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX and lmtypewriter10-regular

2008-11-20 Thread Hans Hagen
Bart C. Wise wrote: I'm running TeXLive 2008. When I compile for XeTeX (texexec --xtx) I get the following output that appears to be generating the lmtypewriter10-regular font. The bad part is that this is very slow. The part that's even worse, it does this probably 20...30...40 times

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX, Adobe Garmond dash, quotes, etc.

2008-11-20 Thread Mojca Miklavec
for filename of otf/ttf fonts in XeTeX and LuaTeX. If you are using XeTeX or LuaTeX, then you should remove all the [ec] brackets and replace [encoding=ec] with [features=default]. Some clarification is needed though: 1.) You could (in theory) use some replacements for `` and to produce proper

Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX, Adobe Garmond dash, quotes, etc.

2008-11-20 Thread Bart C. Wise
. This is not trivial to make.) But then - if you are using pdfTeX, there should be no name: in font declaration. name: is more or less reserved for filename of otf/ttf fonts in XeTeX and LuaTeX. If you are using XeTeX or LuaTeX, then you should remove all the [ec] brackets and replace [encoding=ec] with [features

[NTG-context] XeTeX and lmtypewriter10-regular

2008-11-19 Thread Bart C. Wise
I'm running TeXLive 2008. When I compile for XeTeX (texexec --xtx) I get the following output that appears to be generating the lmtypewriter10-regular font. The bad part is that this is very slow. The part that's even worse, it does this probably 20...30...40 times? A compilation takes 145

[NTG-context] XeTex Mara Font

2008-11-18 Thread Bart C. Wise
I am currently trying to get the mara font loaded into XeTeX. Here's some information about the font (via fontforge): file: marafont.ttf Fontname: MaraFontNFPlain: Family Name: MaraFontNF Plain: (yes, the colons are in the name) I've tried a couple of ways, using both the fontname

Re: [NTG-context] XeTex Mara Font

2008-11-18 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
I've tried a couple of ways, using both the fontname and the family name, both with and without the ending semi-colons; however, it fails at compile time. Have you tried prepending name: to the font name, like I explained yesterday? Arthur

Re: [NTG-context] XeTex Mara Font

2008-11-18 Thread Bart C. Wise
I tried prepending name and it didn't work. I also tried file:marafont, but that didn't work either. Your code yesterday was great and I have not tried to plug in the mara font into a typescript. There are some fonts that I just want to put in one section of the text without having to write

Re: [NTG-context] XeTex Mara Font

2008-11-18 Thread Bart C. Wise
I also tried plugging it into the typescript (not what I want), but that didn't work either. I tried both the name: and the file: options. Still lost, Bart On Tuesday 18 November 2008 11:54:49 am Arthur Reutenauer wrote: I've tried a couple of ways, using both the fontname and the family

Re: [NTG-context] XeTex Mara Font

2008-11-18 Thread Bart C. Wise
One thing of possible interest is that when I load the font in fontforge, I get the following warning: Bad Font Name The Postscript font name MaraFontNF Plain: is invalid. It should be printable ASCII, must not contain (){}[]%/ or space and must be shorter than 63 characters. Is the colon at

Re: [NTG-context] XeTex Mara Font

2008-11-18 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
Is the colon at the end of the name a problem? No, the message says the problem is with the space character, but it is of little concern here (XeTeX doesn't use PostScript font names at all). Is it the font from http://www.perry.com/disney/indy/marafont.html? It seems to have quite a number

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