RE: [OT] What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

Eric, I understand that it disturbs you that you don't know Hagar's "real" name. That is perfectly clear. What I don't understand is what you expect to see done about it. Hagar confesses to using a pseudonym and chooses not disclose his "real" name. I don't know anyone here who can do anyt

RE: Concerns about all PDL website material

Dave, It would seem that these (few, I believe we're told) can be handled the same as unclear provenance anywhere in the code base and its dependencies. The ideal time to clean these up would be when the site is under the OpenOffice.org domain name but actually hosted on Apache infrastructure

RE: Bug reporting, handling rules

Yes "FR web forum" is apparently operating pseudonymously *and* anonymously. Those mails often copied ooofo...@free.fr also, and I switched to replying to thatthat until I realized that I was simply cross-posting to yet-another list. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mail

RE: Who wants to build OpenOffice?

Listing external dependencies seems important no matter what platform we build for. Why difficult for Windows? Explain please. -Original Message- From: Pedro F. Giffuni [mailto:giffu...@tutopia.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 09:21 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject:

RE: Observations and a suggestion on posts and timezones

I like that part! A conversation circles the globe progressively. I do batches and I hold some things until I see what came after. That means those come out all at once (which they can anyhow if I let posts accumulate in my outbox while I am processing my inbox). I do that even more as I beco

[forums] Migration - A TerryE Clipping Collection [NOT QUITE SO LONG]

This is another clipping stream compiled in the same manner as the one on Wiki Migration. I'm breaking a thread here, again. There is no need to comment on any of this, it is for reference and mining for things to not overlook, collate onto the wiki, etc. The selections are mine, the list is l

[wiki] Migration - A TerryE Clipping Collection [LONG]

I compiled a LONG chronological clipping set of notes from Terry on from conception to when he stopped posting on the issues and thinking around Wiki migration. I'm breaking a thread here. There is no need to comment on any of this, it is for reference and mining for things to not overlook, c

RE: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)

omorrow assuming > I > could make sense of it. > > Truthfully I hadn't been keeping up with Terry's posts. I did see he was > leaving but didn't know when, and well...confusion. It is truly critical to > finalize the wiki cut-over -- the sooner the better in my mind. >

RE: Proposal: Forum integration

Popping in here at random, I don't understand the leap from oversight and having access to having ones fingers on the buttons and dials. My reading of what Joe said about oversight was that it did not have to be hands on in any way, but that *inspection* was always possible and that everything

RE: [discuss][www][wiki] Native-lang sites was Web, WIki, and Participation

e.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: [discuss][www][wiki] Native-lang sites was Web, WIki, and Participation Dennis-- Hi...I'm just getting to this now. On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Thanks Dave, those are useful inventory items to ensure co

RE: threading

- From: Matt Richards [mailto:mricha...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 13:18 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: threading Ah, interesting. I must have turned it on. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > It apparently

RE: Proposal: Forum integration

someone with more karma there. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 13:30 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Forum integration On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Wit

RE: Proposal: Forum integration

tracker or any other project resource? (Ignoring for the fact that what is being proposed does not prevent the creation of an additional, 4th private forum that PPMC members/ASF Members could not see). -Rob On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > The proposed new role that i

RE: Proposal: Forum integration

al Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:43 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Forum integration On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > They don't have to become committers unless they choose

RE: threading

It apparently was not on by default on this system. Outlook 2010 was installed de nova on a brand new Windows 7 system that only had Microsoft Office Starter Edition pre-installed. This particular view of things is essentially the one I have had since Outlook 98, although with many refinements

RE: Proposal: Forum integration

WOOPS! Yes, please put at OOOUSER. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:25 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Forum integration Since this is on the OOODEV cwiki then rights may need to b

RE: threading

.@erack.de] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:39 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: threading Hi Dennis, On Monday, 2011-09-05 09:34:48 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Daniel, > > I don't generally have any way of knowing what does and does not > influen

RE: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)

2011 at 12:28 PM, Dave Fisher > wrote: > > > On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: > > > > > My understanding that it really is a test build > and it has *not* been > > maintained in synchronization with the OpenOffice.org > operating version.

RE: Proposal: Forum integration

The proposed new role that is being considered as available to any Apache OOo PPMC Member or Apache Foundation Member is a modification of the Volunteer role. (Yes there are more flavors above that.) General User access, the same as any user Read access to the 3 "private" forums that are in t

RE: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)

My senses of his last post is that it is his final post. That's the one sent on the "Re: What is needed for Support Forums ..." thread at 2011-09-06T04:39Z ending with "Hence this email is my last involvement in Apache and the Forums. No more work. [ ... ] "Five last words: Goodbye and good

RE: [DISCUSS] Announcing Apache ooo Bugzilla on OpenOffice.org Lists

er 06, 2011 11:00 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: ooofo...@free.fr Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Announcing Apache ooo Bugzilla on OpenOffice.org Lists On Sep 5, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: [ ... ] > PLEASE: Is there someone HERE who can change the message on the > Ope

RE: Proposal: Forum integration

They don't have to become committers unless they choose to contribute code and such to the development project, seems to me. (There is a requirement for those who can work at the server level, but that is not a general requirement for what are considered Forum Admins.) Also, having PPMC members

RE: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

> > > On 06/09/2011 15:56, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > >> > >> Christian, > >> > >> What I find awkward around all of these discussions is that there are > >> already several Apache OOo PPMC members who were and are already > >> administra

RE: [DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)

My understanding that it really is a test build and it has *not* been maintained in synchronization with the OpenOffice.org operating version. So if that system started to be used as a production instance separate from OpenOffice.org, it would be a fork and there would be some issues with that.

RE: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

[mailto:d...@baseanswers.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 08:29 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 07:56 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Christian, > >

RE: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project On 06/09/2011 15:56, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Christian, > > What I find awkward around all of these discussions is that there are already > several Apache OOo PPMC members who were and are already administrators and > mo

RE: Real names (was: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project)

I think this thread was split off in response to Eric wanting to know Hagar's real name. It doesn't matter what that question was about. There was, however, a nice post and new thread providing an interesting situation with pseudonyms being used by folks who have registered iCLAs and who might

RE: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums

Joe, I think, as Shane mentions, that there are two problems. The first is that we no longer have any resource stepping-forward, so far, to complete the migration of the forum operation onto Apache infrastructure. So it may become irrelevant what governance accommodation is possible. The secon

RE: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

Christian, What I find awkward around all of these discussions is that there are already several Apache OOo PPMC members who were and are already administrators and moderators on the OpenOffice.org forums, and not one of them stood up here, on ooo-dev, and said so. It boggles my mind how much

RE: [discuss][www][wiki] Native-lang sites was Web, WIki, and Participation

pose a coherent migration plan. Regards, Dave On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Kay, > > I'd like to start taking some of the material that is beautifully captured on > your OOo-to-ASF-site-recommendation page down to the next level of detail. I > think

RE: [discuss][www][wiki] Native-lang sites was Web, WIki, and Participation

Kay, I'd like to start taking some of the material that is beautifully captured on your OOo-to-ASF-site-recommendation page down to the next level of detail. I think linking to additional pages is the way to do it, with those pages focused on details at the next level for a very specific topic

[DISCUSS][wiki] Migration (was Re: Who Wants to build OpenOffice?)

[I am *intentionally* breaking this thread off of the building OOo one] The OpenOffice.org wiki version reachable on Apache OOo is a test instance and has not been kept synchronized with the OpenOffice.org "master" as far as I know. Changes there will be lost when we do a production cut-over.

RE: [PROPOSAL] Add 2 more tags to structure our communication on this mailing list

+1 and yes please on [EXT] -Original Message- From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 13:25 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; ooofo...@free.fr Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Add 2 more tags to structure our communication on this mailing list On

RE: [DISCUSS] Announcing Apache ooo Bugzilla on OpenOffice.org Lists

Ah, deep linking into the Bugzilla. Now I understand. Yes, that is important. But the issues have not moved. They should still be there on the read-only OpenOffice.org Bugzilla. What can't be done is further commenting and seeing any changes since the move. To stay tied to the live one, th

RE: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

Rob, What are you talking about? No one has objected to the creation of the test migration and the upgrades that Terry provided to satisfy Infrastructure. And how does one "veto" in a non-voting, non-lazy-consensus discussion. Use of +1,0,-1 to express a sentiment, as many of us do is one t

RE: What is needed for Support Forums to be fully integrated into the Apache OpenOffice.org project

We take this short break to announce that elsewhere, ooo-dev has achieved the next level of fame on the way to satisfying the achievements for an award under Godwin's Law: "'No one every EXPECTS the Spanish Inquisition.'" [introducer of Monty Python quotation withheld to protect the innocents

RE: threading Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

ng to it exactly as received. However, I am setting the From properly (my mail arrives via a forwarding address) and I am removing my own e-mail from the "To:" that the "Replay All" included automatically.] -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:denni

RE: Bugzilla e-mail is bouncing and other e-mail issues

Will the Apache OOo Bugzilla make e-mail reports of issue creation and other actions. If so, is not ooo-issues@i.a.o where those will go? Sort of like ooo-commits for issue tracking? If not, are we going to see all of the Bugzilla reports on ooo-dev? That could be painful. - Dennis [We

RE: threading Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

Daniel, I don't generally have any way of knowing what does and does not influence threading. I don't have threading in my mail client and I don't use an alternative, such as a newsgroup service, so it is difficult to know how I do or don't do disturbs threading. I am told that touching the s

RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

It appears that the OO.o Forum is typical in that deleted posts [can] go into a quarantine forum. I believe the deleted ones expire, so there would have to be some adjustment for that if they need to be retained permanently. Whether to move to deletion or simply expunge immediately might be a

RE: Apache OOo Bugzilla has NL Projects and Native Language Reports

has NL Projects and Native Language Reports Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I am looking at Chinese text in the zh Project on Bugzilla. Really. > So how is that not possible? And do we even want it to be? People do make mistakes, and Bugzilla entries are usually never deleted or edited, i.

RE: [WWW] native lang sites moved to my apache area

ugh I could be mistaken). There may be security issues with such setups. (I use them, but only locally and not on internet-reachable servers. I mark such folders to be ignored by SVN and they are never committed to a repository.) -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.

Creating the World We Want to Live In

I just saw a marvelous response on us...@openoffice.org A German user posted to the list in German. I saw that, translated it, and moved on. Another user on the list did something quite different: . Contributions to be i

RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

ir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 17:21 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I don't know that *anyone* has actua

RE: Apache OOo Bugzilla has NL Projects and Native Language Reports

Subject: Re: Apache OOo Bugzilla has NL Projects and Native Language Reports Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANT is that, if you select Search and view the > Simple Search tab, notice that the "Product:" Pull-Down includes all > of the NL projects. If you use Pr

RE: Apache OOo Bugzilla has NL Projects and Native Language Reports

s and Native Language Reports On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Below is the notice that I am providing (to English Language pages only), at OpenOffice.org lists, forums, and also ooo-users@i.a.o. PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANT is that, if you select Searc

RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

I think that is an awesome suggestion. I think a few of them might be quite interested. -Original Message- From: Terry Ellison [mailto:te...@ellisons.org.uk] Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 10:09 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Rob Weir Subject: Re: Dissatisfaction amongst the com

RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

Joe, please correct me if I am misunderstanding this: I am assuming that Joe is speaking as an Apache Software Foundation Member. It is a requirement that all lists be accessible to ASF Members and I believe they all are, even the archives of private ones. I keep hearing that the requirement

RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

Daniel, Bringing up the test systems for the forum and the wiki are crucial for two reasons: to know that preservation and migration is workable. We now have some non-technical matters to reconcile. I think the forum community wants the forum community and the OpenOffice.org Community to surv

RE: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

As far as I can tell and there are up to three NL forums that require special karma to visit, as TerryE has already explained. At least one of them is different for each language group. That is the Forum Issues forum that is per language. The title on the English Forums is "EN-Forum Issues:

RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

As far as I know, we have no (moral, and probably not legal either) right to issue ultimatums to the folks participating on the OpenOffice.org forums. I may have to keep repeating that until it sinks in. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Terry Ellison [mailto:te...@ellisons.org.uk] Se

RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

I think that is wonderful history. Thanks Terry. It also makes me wonder whether we, here, have any right to claim any authority over those forums than the folks there grant us, including any change to the terms of use that will occur (once again). I am reminded that the strongest partnership

RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

Well, there are no mentors to tell them to put it on a public Forum. It is not an Apache undertaking yet. I admire them for keeping this discussion off of the general boards because it would doubtless disturb those they serve as much as it disturbs people who watch us conduct ourselves here.

RE: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

Or, to put quite simply, Oracle cannot grant to Apache the right to claim the OpenOffice.org forums. The terms of use that are currently there on each forum provide a quite permissive license by which ASF could treat the content as third-party material. However, my sense of the ASF philosop

RE: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

All of this mention and talking about moderators has raised a puzzle in my mind. We have moderation on all of our lists. What is the oversight on moderator actions? - Dennis PS: Hypothetical slippery-slope arguments don't work. It is mutual in all of those categories what conditions we plac

RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

They can move and take everything with them but the hardware, the domain name, and the trademark. That's actually quite a lot. I don't have it much better with the hosting service that now hosts my public goodies. (I have the domain name and the trademark. I also have current backups of ever

RE: Re : [Discuss] Lost in translation

For the record, I have ceased my effort to track down someone to administer those lists. I have learned that the specific problem of the annoying echo has been solved and discussion on the effected lists is continuing normally. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton

RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

I suspect that one reason that the private discussions Terry mentions are in private is that the administrators there do not want to scare the regular users of the forum, especially since there has been little concrete information over there from here. (And the barrier to coming over here is, i

RE: Dissatisfaction amongst the community admins, moderators and volunteers

I suspect that the visibility on lists and forums there (I have made some comments on the general forum as well as some of the lists) may lead some folks to come over here, though the distaste for lists seems quite deep-seated. I suspect that, over there, they have no idea that you are just on

RE: [WWW] native lang sites moved to my apache area

al Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 14:16 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [WWW] native lang sites moved to my apache area On 09/03/2011 09:49 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Thanks for doing that, Kay. > > It ne

RE: Legacy OOo list post stats

I lean toward "document engineering" myself. I think ooo-docs or ooo-documentation might be necessary, simply so it is understandable to as many English-as-a-second language folks. You already have my promise to go with whatever you come up with [;<). - Dennis -Original Message- From:

RE: Legacy OOo list post stats

Jean, I am all right with whatever scope an list name you agree on. I assume you will a moderator (which is great since you are in Australia). I'll support you as another moderator. If we get one moderator from Europe along with any others that raise their hands, we will have straddled the glo

Apache OOo Bugzilla has NL Projects and Native Language Reports

jects. If you use Product "zh" and just click search, you will see 8 bugs and the use of Native language subjects and texts. It's going to be fun [;<). - Dennis -Original Message----- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, Sep

RE: Re : [Discuss] Lost in translation

Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > We didn't know to contact JB or Sophie. > Please stop saying "we don't know". It is really annoying to those who do. I'm sure that you have no firm basis for believing that no one on the list knows how to c

RE: Re : [Discuss] Lost in translation

Yes, I've seen them on LibreOffice lists. Raphael just indicated that there might not be any current administrators there. It won't hurt to ask. Thank you again. - Dennis -Original Message- From: FR web forum [mailto:o...@athena.apache.org] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 15:01 T

RE: Re : [Discuss] Lost in translation

We didn't know to contact JB or Sophie. We can contact them. Thank you. -Original Message- From: FR web forum [mailto:o...@athena.apache.org] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 14:36 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Re : [Discuss] Lost in translation Bonjour Fred ;-) >I

RE: [Discuss] Lost in translation

As far as I know, any change to the pootle service on OO.o is not something the Apache ooo project had anything to do with. Unfortunately, Eric Bachard and anyone else we can find does not have administrative access to the fr.ooo mailing lists. - Dennis DETAILS Oracle is transferring license

RE: [Discuss] Lost in translation

Subject: Re: [Discuss] Lost in translation On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Hello Cyril, > > We do not know about translation in native language yet. We do not know here > about the pootle server. > Speak for yourself, Dennis. We have several list parti

RE: [WWW] native lang sites moved to my apache area

aches, since the bugzilla transfer has happened and there are definite web pages that need to be adjusted for that on the current live site. Those pages should continue to work however brought under Apache custody later.) -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@ac

RE: [Discuss] Lost in translation

Hello Cyril, We do not know about translation in native language yet. We do not know here about the pootle server. A question for you: Do you also take care of fr.ooo mailing lists? Do you know who does? - Dennis -Original Message- From: ooofo...@free.fr [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr]

RE: Legacy OOo list post stats

: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Legacy OOo list post stats On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Interesting data. > > I think we should let the NL lists know about the English-language > counterparts on i.a.o, using the native language if possible,

RE: Legacy OOo list post stats

Interesting data. I think we should let the NL lists know about the English-language counterparts on i.a.o, using the native language if possible, but I don't think we should regard our en lists as substitutes. The only safe way I know to do that would be to have a simple-English statement for

RE: [WWW] native lang sites moved to my apache area

Thanks for doing that, Kay. It never hurts to have a backup, or two or three or ... [;<). -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 13:38 To: OOo Apache Subject: [WWW] native lang sites moved to my apache area Just an FYI (and I

RE: Should w merge discuss@ooo into ooo-users.i.a.o ?

-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Should w merge discuss@ooo into ooo-users.i.a.o ? On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I agree that participants on discuss@oo.o should be invited to come to > ooo-users@i.a.o. > > Can we be more diplomatic in our announcem

RE: OpenOffice most annoying bugs

I believe there was discussion on an old thread here. Maybe create an issue so we don't lose it again? Pedro noticed this in a 2011-06-16T02:22Z post on "Re:Bootstrapping a Build" Pedro made a Myspell suggestion (with that subject) on 2011-06-25T18:14Z but some difficulties came up about huns

RE: Should w merge discuss@ooo into ooo-users.i.a.o ?

I agree that participants on discuss@oo.o should be invited to come to ooo-users@i.a.o. Can we be more diplomatic in our announcements over there? The one at users@oo.o on creation of the ooo-users@i.a.o list did not go over very well and was a lightning rod for some vocal participants there.

[DISCUSS] Announcing Apache ooo Bugzilla on OpenOffice.org Lists

I am preparing a message for OpenOffice.org lists on the shutdown of the OO.o bugzilla, the availability of the Apache ooo issues tracker, and advice on resetting passwords if there had been an account already. In particular, I want to reassure folks that the list from openoffice.org has been p

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

More for the list of places to identify in the code. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 13:12 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

o for required crypto export declaration On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > We're already behind the 8-ball on having not done this when it was expected. > I suggest that the established procedure be followed so that the ASF > requirement is satisfied

RE: migration Re: I will try to finish my current tasks before I go

Agreed. -Original Message- From: Daniel Shahaf [mailto:d...@daniel.shahaf.name] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 08:21 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: migration Re: I will try to finish my current tasks before I go [ ... ] My point was simple: it is the PPMC, as opposed to

RE: Apache Way community moderation rationale

Apache Way community moderation rationale On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Owning the domain name and owning the existing site are two different things. > Apache does not "own" the content on the current live site that is not part > of the O

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

We're already behind the 8-ball on having not done this when it was expected. I suggest that the established procedure be followed so that the ASF requirement is satisfied, the XML files are updated, etc. Then we can worry about whether there needs to be some expansion of scope or other adju

RE: Apache Way community moderation rationale

massive rewriting (some changes *emphasized*): "My only *immediate* *concern* is that we do not take steps *now* that *foreclose* such migration as an option, however we conclude what the end game will be." -Original Message----- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.

RE: Apache Way community moderation rationale

Correction: domain names are not "owned" either, even though the leases on them have property value and there is a market in them [;<). -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 07:56 To: 'ooo-dev@in

RE: Apache Way community moderation rationale

o:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 07:48 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Apache Way community moderation rationale OpenOffice.org is an Apache domain. It will have Apache branding, etc. We can't pretend that site is at arm's length. -Rob On Fri, Sep

RE: Apache Way community moderation rationale

+1 I completely support the high-level migration road-map you sketch for artifacts and services currently in custody of the openoffice.org domain sites and not part of the Oracle SGA. In the final paragraph, though, perhaps you meant to say " Given the past history and the fact that this non-

RE: migration Re: I will try to finish my current tasks before I go

It was clear to me in context that Terry was not talking about Infra, but the PPMC and also ooo-dev with regard to the i...@openoffice.org mail services (and the use of those addresses/ids as identifiers). Also, the questions, from me, are about policy decisions about how to migrate/preserve th

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

I think Article 32 is of particular interest in the case of OpenOffice.org distributions in France. It would appear that compliance with Article 30 is not difficult, since source code is available in all cases. It would be interesting to find out if the Apache process for declaring cryptograph

RE: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

1 13:40 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > This should really be on its own thread as Terry requested. > > In any case, I believe the private forums are for roughly the same reas

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

claration On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Technically, this was to have been resolved before the code was put up on > SVN. We need to audit specifically for this rather quickly, and including > the places that Rob also identified (import-export filters and http TLS

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

Technically, this was to have been resolved before the code was put up on SVN. We need to audit specifically for this rather quickly, and including the places that Rob also identified (import-export filters and http TLS). - Dennis -Original Message- From: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailt

RE: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

This should really be on its own thread as Terry requested. In any case, I believe the private forums are for roughly the same reasons that the PPMC list is private. The administrators address disputes, deal with bad behavior, etc. I notice that moderator actions on lists here are not dealt wi

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

t: Re: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Let me see if I can help ground this. > Remember, the export could be of code, not just the binaries. So if we have code that does asymmetrical encryption,

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

I'm not aware of any "legacy encryption" in non-ODF formats being supported on output or input. I must try that. Rob, Is it your understanding that http is implemented directly in OpenOffice, or is the platform provider of http: and https: schemes relied upon? I would be amazed to learn that

RE: Request dev help: Info for required crypto export declaration

hu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton >> wrote: >>> Please just do it this way: >>> >>> <http://www.apache.org/dev/cryp

RE: Administrative controls / management of the mailing lists

Um, so your answer is no? You do not have any means to deal with that mailing list issue on the live openoffice.org site? Any suggestions? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Terry Ellison [mailto:te...@ellisons.org.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:04 To: dennis.hamil...@acm.o

RE: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

Rob, I believe Terry is talking about the openoffice.org domain in situ and the existing OOo forums there. This has nothing to do with anything under Apache ooo custody at this time, nor does it have anything to do with the test version he has running in order to learn how to port. It was an

RE: draft blog post on the Linux build education event

1. The post looks fine. 2. I had to use my author/editor login. I also can't tell whether it is post-dated. I think that is what puts them where they can be seen, but not sure. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011

RE: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org]

@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [ooo-user] was RE: us...@openoffice.org [Was: Re: [Discussion] d...@openoffice.org] Hi Dennis, On Wednesday, 2011-08-31 18:29:02 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Hmm, for (2) I think you have to use orc...@msn.com for me, then. > Most of my e-mail addresses (includi

RE: An invitation to committers to the OOo Community Forums

Terry, do you know if those administrative controls extend to the management of the mailing lists, such as the ones for http://fr.openoffice.org (apparently at ). Do you have any information on how we can empower someone to block a bad echo? Every post t

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