I am not sure we can be certain that the structured data is definitely
repeated or that one or other section is redundant I would tend to go
with Gerard's suggestion of structured / unstructured and leave the
issue of what to display to the consumer.
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chetypes optimally, most of these
term-bindings should be at template-level rather than archetypes.
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Same patten less the dots should be ok then?
e.g. sechalmersMUKOS::
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w of Archetypes, is any print
> service supported for Editor?
I don' think this is possible you might be best just to take screenshots to jpg
I use MWSnap freeware
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2008/7/15 Thomas Beal
Hi Kyung ja,
Are you running under Windows Vista? If so, you must run the Template
Designer with Administrator rights for the form to be created?
Also, as Hugh said, make sure that the uncompiled form is the active window,
otherwise the compile and run from option is disabled.
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gt; not sure if that is exactly right.
>
> thanks!
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pe. An archetype is (AFAIK)
> considered to be the expression of a single clinical concept.
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erminology space. This has benefit in linking with the pre-archetype data
> and may allow complex research to be undertaken in the future using
> ontological tools and engines.
>
> So we need to keep the balance between freedom and structure, recognising
> (as Ian McNico
little more of what you mean by "temporal data
management of hierarchical medical data" to help us give better
advice.
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Brilliant.. very funny
Here is the original 'official' video
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YJxTznwRzs4&feature=related
It seems to be the same set of actors.. intruiging???
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On further reflection..
Either, CfH has a much better corporate sense of humour than most!!
or
The production of the first 'official' video is equally part of an
elaborate spoof, the real message being conveyed by the
'behind-the-scenes' clip.
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about when 2 or more agencies
agree to share a particular variety of mobility assessment, via
further template level constraint, adjusting their internal processes
to match but this is a social/organisational commitment, requiring no
change in the technical representation on the archetype.
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tor.
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essed" - this is probably best left to a
higher layer.
A further discussion of the possible requirements for supra-Template
UI rendering would be very helpful.
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form components to
be resized and moved.
Josina - I think it would be a mistake to try to cram in the separate
UI requirements to the template designer,. I think there is a place
for a specific UI demo tool that lets users and developers investigate
appropriate UI options.
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lements have an attribute which says how it should be pronounced which
> is constant.
>
> Thanks for the quick replies.
> Timmy
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>
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Ian McNicoll wrote:
> > Hi Timmy,
> >
> > Can you explain the domain model
ir natural domain in
capturing further UI requirements and rules. The Clinical Templates work has
more of a focus on generic infomation standards capture, rather than
specific local data-entry but there is considerable cross-over.
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information on Term binding, constraints
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ngements for using such local
terminologies with openEHR - can anyone advise?
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attachments - if not you can email me directly.
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with a
locally defined terminolgy like yours, rather than a terminology formally
registered with UMLS.
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lesion?
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2008/11/26 Olof Torgersson
on' although I agree that the latter is slightly
tidier from a human readability perspective.
Do you have a particular use case in mind?
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es
the the necessity for a useful EHR to be 'maintained' so that it
reflects current knowledge, rather than just being a historical list
of observations and evaluations which may conflict and will certainly
not allow accurate workflow and scheduling support.
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2009/4/1 Oxford Partnership :
> Hi Ian
>
>
een the EHR and Demographics
models makes perfect sense in the context of a pure openEHR
implementation, but we may have to explore the possibility of being
able to show some aspects of the Demographics model within an
archetype tree, to cope with legacy PAS and design-only contexts of
openEHR use.
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, manufacturer's
requirements, servicing records, scheduling etc but as ever, it is
question of resources.It is going to be hard enough to model the
clinical record requirements without taking on this extra work.
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a particular
participant or indeed to another part of the underlying Ref model
which is clinically important but not archetypeable e.g Date
performed in the ACTION class, but which is important for clinicians
to see. It could also be used to allow assertions to be made visible
and editable within
Can I suggest moving this to the Clinical list? I think it is an
important subject ,and rather dear to my own interests but, as Thomas
pointed out, we are in danger of submerging Seref's original more
technical question.
Any objections?
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eref to get some sensible technical
solutions to his query and let anyone who fancies a bit of a
philosophical battle to indulge over in openEHR-clinical.
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Central Europe (and beer) sounds a good match to me :-)
Certainly Amsterdam would be good from the perspective of easy transport.
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I can hand over
to you when I run out - nice sort of chain invitation process ;-)
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enough offers of invitations for now . If demand seems to be
outstripping supply, I will ask for more offers.
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to run out.
Thanks to all,
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sion - there are
> archetypes around that started life when Release 1.0.1 was the latest,
> and may not be finished until Release 1.0.2 is already issued. It most
> likely makes no difference to the authors.
>
> - thomas
>
>
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solution but it gives some estimation of the RM version that the author was
working against when designing the archetype. The archetype tools could
automatically record the RM version whenever an archetype lifecyle
transitions to published or has its version/revision updated.
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Down for me too in the UK.
It is sometimes down for maintenance at weekends.
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, and I've
>> also tried a proxy in USA. Is it me only, or is the site down?
>>
>> Kind Regards
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linical statement.
In general questionnaires are horrible but they are a reality in modern
clinical recording practice which we have to deal with. I think in future
years we will find ways to automate the process a little better.
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nd in different slots within
the same parent archetype: this reflects different relationships of specimen
descriptions to the lab_test result - sometimes the specimen relates to the
whole test and sometimes to a partial sun-result.
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to the correct
local data type. This allows us to minimise the number of archetypes and
give a consistent path to the Result node, which is important for querying
purposes.
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e is no clinical consensus e.g. wide variation in the microscopic
reporting of breast cancer.
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Hi William,
The current version of the archetype editor does not support
Demographics archetypes. These archetypes were created manually in raw
Adl. I am working on an update to the Editor to support Demographics
archetypes but this is still some weeks away from completion.
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variation in implementation.)
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observation,
but it can sometimes seem awkward when creating models. In my experience, it
is usually straightforward to work around the restriction by refactoring the
observation which requires to be nested, as a CLUSTER archetype.
Can you give a specific example?
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diagnosis.v1
Again, just to stress that the Section headers should not convey any
querying semantics, they are there purely to assist human navigation.
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m potential 'consumers' of the archetypes
we cannot be certain that they are 'fit to publish'.
Thanks for your interest and potential input. We appreciate that everyone's
time is at a premium but any feedback you can give will be most welcome.
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e collaboration at a very early stage so that overlapping and
contradictory models/requirements can be rationalised before different
groups have invested too much time and energy.
Share early, share often.
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r the review
process. If you are interested in the openEHR Demographics model archetypes
please feel free to get involved in the review process by adopting one or
more of the archetypes above.
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type does
not represent actual patient data but an abstract of ALL patients who might
fall within the guideline.
See http://www.hst.aau.dk/~ska/MIE2009/papers/MIE2009p0653.pdf
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properly belongs in
the guideline/pathway space, rather than as ref ranges?
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repository.
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2009/10/26 pablo pazos
> H
Cluster archetypes between the 2 models.
Does that help?
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Hi Graham,
Thanks for the detailed reviews of both the Address and Name archetypes.
I can see your reviews and review cycles listed for both archetypes if I go
to the Archetype concerned and then to Reviews - are you navigating
differently.
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o me needs to be in a separate post as the
combined message is too large for the email server.
I hope a lively debate will ensue :-)
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point is that for these demographic *name*-based-typing
it will be even safer to use an openEHR terminology instead, as that is
always available within an openEHR environment.
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Part 2 to follow ...
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o use it afterwards - i.e.
is the above going to assign an expression to *as_string()* function?
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ents[at0006]/data[at0003]/items[at0004]/value/value
>= 140
Note too that, specialised archetypes also support the same mechanism
of filled lots, which allows compound archetypes to be defined i.e
with some pre-filled slots.
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context of a common 'base' Patient
Name archetype.
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ecords this (i.e. in MST Findings
archetypes [Present?] node).
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So, in principle, should we keep the operational template 'pure', and
if so, where is the cut-off and how do we integrate that pure template
layer with a GUI/messaging directive layer(s).
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ow readily other local template-based openEHR projects can
generate an operational template, since this not only gives a pivot
oint for GUI directives etc but makes it possible to switch back-end
persistence very easily.
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although fairly amusing on
occasion!! Most of the formatting is retained although Word numberings
tend to get lost.
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Thanks Pablo,
I was dealing with some monster requirements documents which were
perhaps atypical.
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definition is pretty stable. The issues of extra
directives and extensions are important at this stage as arguably some
should be supported in the operational template, as I discussed above.
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the enclosed scope of a single archetype.
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-defined forms, a common feature in many
applications. The other is in the area of requirements gathering and
prototyping, either for EHR aplication development or wider standards
development work.
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of association between a
parent concept and potential children which is independent of any GUI
representation. These, I believe, should be considered for inclusion
within archetypes/templates.
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just an issue of
GUI.
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cannot be added to a template.
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ed post-coordination work and addressing the
Questionnaire conundrum.
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Hi Thomas,
I think I have used DV+DURATION in all of these circumstances.. My
impression has been that DV_QUANTITY with time property was
deprecated.
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Hi Otavio,
Thanks for the input. There are a few of us looking at the wound archetypes
via Google Wave at
https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BsliTddCQD
Your contribution would be very welcome.
If you need a Google Wave invitation, just let me know.
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I would definitely recommend Zotero - this is what I use to store and format
the references used in CKM. Mendeley looks very interesting, and perhaps
better suited for joint reference libraries, but they do recognise that it
is not as fully-featured as Zotero.
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nical list as I think there will be some interest there as well.
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in 'normal' CKM archetpye e.g. Heart
rate-Pulse, Blood pressure and Oximetry. There is also now a
CLUSTER.waveform archetype to hande this form pf device output.
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Hi David,
I agree. I think the default behaviour in AE would be switchable as per user
preference. i.e. save in adl 1.4 or 1.5. The file extensions will be
different in any case - .adls and .adlf.
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publication.
Any contributions would be very much appreciated.
The links are
Address : http://www.openehr.org/knowledge/OKM.html#showArchetype_1013.1.484
Person Name:
http://www.openehr.org/knowledge/OKM.html#showArchetype_1013.1.477
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entry field is left blank, this would simply not
be recorded in openEHR data. If the field is mandatory, either the user is
forced to make some sort of entry or perhaps is allowed to select one of the
null values as you suggest.
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s defining the detailed clinical
content in a manageable and scalable fashion.
I think the openEHR approach to content definition has definite advantages.
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Final decision has not been taken but I am expecting to be there.
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ome sort of comment is mandatory then using the null is the
means to allow an empty comment.
I have copied ot the clinical list, as it would be interesting to get some
other feedback.
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h matches the Snomed approach.
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Hi Leo,
No it works the other way round. All of the null flavours are automatically
available unless you specifically constrain them out.
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it, so I hope someone else
will pitch in to any further discussion.
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I would agree - this is clinically the safest and correct action.
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Hi Sheng,
A few of my comments below...
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'metadata', as
far as I can tell , other than Refset name, this is almost wholly technical
in nature and clinical metadata elements e.g use, misuse, purpose, authoring
details are not defined - is this correct?
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also feel this is primarily a technical activity but will probably
need somre clinical input as a sanity check.
We also need to think about these issues in relation to possible alignment
with IHTSDO e.g should we start to think about using SNOMED-like primary
technical representations.
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Ian
Hi Leo,
See below for my best understandings!!
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are likely to be the most common sort of redefinition, in
Templates, constrained down to 0..0. In comparison name and datatype
redefinitions will be comparatively rare.
So, I would prefer to keep the original rule for name and datatype
redefinitions but relax it for occurences.
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kind of simplification around the use of CLUSTER, with the
ability to define TABLES within a CLUSTER or ITEM_TREE would give us
some simpler modelling constructs and, as you suggest, flatten the
data path.
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bular representation difficult in all cases.
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e from
and support open source projects like yours and Koray's. There are
also some interesting discussion to be had about how to share the
archetype you have developed, or at least feed your ideas into broader
developments.
Would you mind re-posting in a different/new thread?
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ed or effectively married or religiously married? By whose rules?
I think this is taking ontological purity into an unsustainable and
fruitless level of detail.
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Hi Leo,
The standard advice is always to use DV_PROPORTION. I am not sure of
the background to why proportion i also available as a DV_QUANTITY.
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