Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
> Definitely no anti-US sentiments from here.
>
> But we worry about the laws which stifle the development of lesser developed
> countires in their progress inICT.
Really? That amazes me. Alright, I'll play U.S. QnA session here. Tell
me your concerns and I'll tr
Since OSCHA is an internationl body we can register siultaneously, and
choose the base to be anywhere.
Is the incorporation in Malaysia going to be doing business or just
representing FOSS industry interests? Depending on the answer to that
here are our choices here in the U.S. that I can purs
Tim Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am a great admierer of the US and it's people, the films, the sports, the
comics on which I was introduced to "reading" :-)
I still think it is one of the best countires and even the President is not
all bad
Most of the FOSS software come from the
I know Tim - a lot of people feel the way you do. I try to be as
politically agnostic as I can in the FOSS realm, and sometimes that
confuses people.
Someone mentioned the bad U.S. press too. I don't watch U.S. news, BTW :-)
I'm simply saying I'll do the work and give OSCHA a physical presenc
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Richard Schilling wrote:
> Molly deserves extra credit for hanging in there.
>
> I'm anxious to see things progress. It doesn't sound like, though, you
> or anyone is interested in seeing a U.S. component. Is that true?
>
> Richard
>
Hi Richard
Richard Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I see. That is fine. Let it be incorporated everywhere. IF everyone things it
must be incorporated first in the US, let it be so. Who is going to do this I
wonder?
NandA
OSHCA will need to be incorporated in every country it has a presence
Richard Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The next GKP annual meeting is here in Sri Lanka. Anyone coming? :-)
NandA
Molly, I think you should incorporate in Malaysia eventually. As a
Malaysian you'll have a very easy time doing it and know what it means.
The members of the pr
Richard Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Wow after all that feedback
I'm honestly trying to pick where to
start on this one. I'm seeing some confusion here between legal aspects
and the socio-political.
Perhaps this is because socio-political is far more important in asia th
"Tim.Churches" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We have to understand that we are a small group, and the degree of legal
protection we want is difficult to fathom. The US and the EU provide the
greatest threat to Open Source develpment at the moment particularly from
software patents ad such issu
Agreed, Tim. Molly is a long-standing member of the FOSS healthcare
community and deserves kudos for running with OSHCA. As an American, I
am certainly more comfortable with the US legal system than I am with
the Malaysian system but (a) I understand that no legal system is
perfect, (b) I trust M
Molly certainly has my support. I don't mean to suggest she doesn't.
And I do appreciate her assertiveness as well. Ultimately I can work
with any locale of registration to some degree.
Tim, I offered to help four years ago too when this subject was being
kicked around. I'm certain that thin
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Thanks for your offer Richard.
Molly and others have spent a great deal of time in developing this
organization.
While it is not a particularly inviting subject, the ideology of 'where
to incorporate' first is an issue. One that has been discussed
p
Based on recent postings perhaps I am wrong in using the term
"incorporation" for ressurrecting OSHCA and making it a legal entity. I
can understand the fear of business-minded individuals. I would from now
on use the word "registration". I would like to re-post the Vision,
Mission, Principles
oshca.org is definitely an asset. Now that this transfer is done, here
is what I need to form the U.S. body of OSHCA:
1. people willing to serve on a board. I suggest 6-8. I'll be one.
2. a copy of all the by-laws, etc..
3. people willing to share any costs involved.
4. information for trademark
Thank you Dr. Molly. What you wrote is very helpful and answers my
concerns about intellectual property protections afforded to Malaysian
incorporation. But, I'm still not convinced I know enough to say it's a
great idea to start there. You're right - I need to spend some time
there, and wil
Molly,
Incorporating OSHCA in the US doesn't necessarily imply US domination.
I did not hear an
answer to my question about the possible necessity of incorporating
OSHCA in multiple countries.
It appears that if it operates in Malaysia, that it must be incorporated
in Malaysia, based on my
br
Thank you, Brian. I look forward to your ongoing active contribution to
and participation in this list and the Free / Open Source Softwar
healthcare community.
Regards
-- Bhaskar
On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 19:45 -0600, Brian Bray wrote:
> Thanks for the welcome, Bhaskar, and also the warm welcome (in
My apologies, I mean qualify the governance of OSHCA's "assets"
Molly
Dr Molly Cheah wrote:
>I've "copy and paste" the email from Networksolutions on the completion
>of the transfer of oshca.org from Minoru Corporation to OSHCA which is
>self explanatory on your question "who owns the domain nam
I've "copy and paste" the email from Networksolutions on the completion
of the transfer of oshca.org from Minoru Corporation to OSHCA which is
self explanatory on your question "who owns the domain name". oshca.net
is the other domain name that is owned by OSHCA.
Nationally the incorporation of
I think at a certain point this becomes an issue of doers vs. talkers.
Talking is fine, but from previous discussions I understood that while many
people are interested there are few that can commit serious money or time to
this process. I know that I certainly cannot afford any time to help right
I know you mean well for OSHCA Richard. I'm afraid you've got your
information all wrong with regards to Malaysia's Constitutional
Monarchy. You need to know history of Malaya (and now Malaysia with
Sabah and Sarawak) in order to understand the current socio-political
and legal systems here. It
Thanks for the welcome, Bhaskar, and also the warm welcome (in every
sense of the word) I've received from many others.
Also, thank you for creating this list. The list software at
minoru-development.com was and is broken- you took the right step to
keep this incredible community conversation g
OSHCA will need to be incorporated in every country it has a presence.
It's a question of where you start, really. The origin of incorporation
also affects how that company can behave when operating overseas.
Richard
David Forslund wrote:
> This is good. As I read about Malaysian law, it i
Molly, I think you should incorporate in Malaysia eventually. As a
Malaysian you'll have a very easy time doing it and know what it means.
The members of the protem committee have been discussing OSCHA
incorporation since 2002 or perhaps earlier if memory serves. Why it
didn't happen in Franc
Wow after all that feedback I'm honestly trying to pick where to
start on this one. I'm seeing some confusion here between legal aspects
and the socio-political.
Molly, I'm not implying that there's no legal protection in Malaysia.
I'm saying, based on what I know there's less protection th
This is good. As I read about Malaysian law, it is also appears
necessary that if OHSCA exists in Malaysia that it
must be incorporated in Malaysia. This may be true in other countries,
so I would guess then that
OHSCA would need to be incorporated in multiple countries. Am I
understanding
Molly Cheah wrote:
> Though this is out of context here, Malaysia has a secular constitution
> and therefore it is "not" an islamic country, though majority of the
> population are muslims. Unfortunately the media especially in the US
> says we are an islamic state and most people rely on the medi
David Forslund wrote:
> There may be legal protection, etc in Malaysia.
Not may be, there definitely is. As Molly said, Malaysian law was
originally based on British law - it is now distinct from it, but rest
assured that there is rule of civil law in Malaysia. There is also
corruption and politic
David,
There "is" and not "may be" because there are legal frameworks (acts of
parliament) that governs corporations, civil societies, unions etc. If
OSHCA is to be my organisation, I would have it up in 3 days (not one as
suggested by Richard). My timeline of 3 months is not due to "technical
There may be legal protection, etc in Malaysia. We are more familiar
with the situation in the US.
It is more of a question of comparing what is required and what you can
do with a corporation
in Malaysia than in the US. The decision shouldn't be made on political
grounds but on technical grou
I was born in Malaysia and lived through the period where we obtained
independance from the British and from whom our legal framework was
adopted. Just wondering what are the concerns of Richard and David on
the legal protection for OSHCA. Can you elaborate rather than make a
comment that imply
The last time I checked the political issues were intertwined with
governance and legal issues
in every country I'm aware of. I might even suggest that for political
reasons Malaysia
might not be the best choice, but I was thinking more of what would
allow the organization
to do what it wants
David Forslund wrote:
> I don't understand why this is good or even relevant. What should
> matter is the legal protection
> provided by the incorporation in the various countries participating,
> which I think was Richard's point.
Joseph and I (and Molly) were thinking of the political dimension
Legal protection in the context of an organization like OSHCA is IMHO
not a major concern. What is more important is how the countries laws
influence governance.
David Forslund wrote:
> I don't understand why this is good or even relevant. What should
> matter is the legal protection
> provided
Richard Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"The protections offered a U.S. corporation might be much greater.."
Please clarify this?
NandA
Nice to see you make progress on this. I remember a few years ago when
this was a hot topic on the openhealth list
If I were involved
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Could HIS be included here as well?
NandA
Thomas Beale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Tim.Churches wrote:
> Will Ross wrote:
> > Fred,
> >
> > I oppose the creation of a separate open source certification
> > process. I think it compromises the opportu
I don't understand why this is good or even relevant. What should
matter is the legal protection
provided by the incorporation in the various countries participating,
which I think was Richard's point.
Dave Forslund
Tim.Churches wrote:
> Richard Schilling wrote:
> > If I were involved in the in
Will Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I too agree. Certification is a matter of standards and quality. ther should
be no compromise. The FOSS once equally certified maybe able to make stroner
claims. However because of the collaborative/community type of development,
there could be a waver o
Greg Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Your two questions will have different answers because the usage and business
models will be different. HIS will be used by differnet people for differnt
purposes. The government will expect high degree of safety, but will be abale
to bare the costs
To add to Tim's point and in support of Molly's choiceMalaysia also
has a pro-open source policy. Underscoring one of Molly's
pointsincorporating there opens up many funding avenuesfor
example: Canada's IDRC funds several open source initiatives based in
the ASEAN area but woul
It worries me when a single organization is in a position to set the criterion
for certification and set the price. If being certified is required as entry
to some markets, then the organization is in a position similar to a government
regulator. To break up this monopoly, I would suggest that
Hmmm It hadn't crossed my mind at all that discussions on the
suitability of the country for incorporation will be approached from
those perspectives mentioned. I thought we were approaching this issue
(developing vs developed countries) from the funding perspectives (not
mentioning develop
Richard Schilling wrote:
> If I were involved in the incorporation (which I can do, by the way in a
> day) I would object to doing it in Malaysia. I would do it in the U.S.
> first. The protections offered a U.S. corporation might be much greater
> than in Malaysia.
Glad that you have compared
I can host the new website and mailing list for free. -- IV
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:43:39 +0800
Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am happy to annouce that the transfer of the domain name oshca.org
>from Brian had been completed. Brian is in the process of creating
>and s
Nice to see you make progress on this. I remember a few years ago when
this was a hot topic on the openhealth list
If I were involved in the incorporation (which I can do, by the way in a
day) I would object to doing it in Malaysia. I would do it in the U.S.
first. The protections offere
Greg Woodhouse wrote:
> It seems to me that there are two threads of discussion here that are
> not at all merging. One issue is whether testing can and should be made
> cheaper. Maybe it can, but testing is the last line of defense in
> software quality, and is highly problematic, relying essentia
IMHO, I think the development efforts at ASTM to develop the CCR could
also support/lead to software certification programs. That body would
be a natural pick for something like software certification in addition
to CCHIT.
Richard
Wayne Wilson wrote:
> Certification is certainly a can of wor
Fred Trotter wrote:
> This is an interesting discussion. However we do have some decisions to
> make.
>
> 1. Does the different nature free and open source medical software warrant
> different consideration than proprietary models for CCHIT certification
> pricing. (If a large number of people fee
Greg Woodhouse wrote:
> Aren't we missing the larger issue? Proper certification of health
> information systems is going to be expensive, and that is probably
> unavoidable. Moeover, someone is going to have to bear the burden of
> that cost. I'm not sure that this question should really be tied t
I understand Rod's point, and I believe that if you choose to restrict
your activities to a purely altruistic ideal, then what Rod talks about
and what Eric Rayomond talks about is just fine. But, I argue that at
any point you invest time into open source (as a user,developer, etc.)
it is alwa
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