Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-11-01 Thread Scott Barnes
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RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-11-01 Thread Steven Nagy
erlight.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stovell Sent: Monday, 1 November 2010 5:57 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? Jose, There was a lot of sarcasm in those images. Don't take them literally. The second two charts are my impression of the technologies Microsoft

RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-11-01 Thread Carl . Scarlett
You mean you used Lightswitch? How did you wash of the smell? *grin* From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stovell Sent: Monday, 1 November 2010 3:57 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-11-01 Thread Paul Stovell
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Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Jose Fajardo
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RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Darren Neimke
ds of System.Text for. Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:04:00 +1000 Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? From: p...@paulstovell.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com I notice "Mobile" is missing from your graph. What are you telling us Darren? :) On M

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Paul Stovell
/32us7s > > > > Darren Neimke > darren.nei...@live.com > > > > > -- > From: m...@miguelmadero.com > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100 > > Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > > Nice post. But I&#x

RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Darren Neimke
se technologies? Here's the type of view I mean: http://twitpic.com/32us7s Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com From: m...@miguelmadero.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100 Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Nice post. But I'm no

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Miguel Madero
Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that little) for WPF internally or externally. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell wrote: > I took the liberty of graphing this: > > http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, St

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Scott Barnes
DevConnections in Las Vegas this week, my old boss right now is no doubt headphones in, staring at Microsoft Word agonizing over which adjective to use in the 2nd paragraph meanwhile his boss is probably having a few pre-Scott Guthrie drinks with The Gu himself working out the finer reactive points

RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Darren Neimke
>> How do you form those opinions? I start by learning what not to listen to. Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:06:24 +1000 Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? From: p...@paulstovell.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Hi Darren, How do you form

RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Paul Du Bois
rlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Darren Neimke Sent: Monday, 1 November 2010 12:27 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet? It's worse than that. If anything, think about what *we've* effectively just tol

RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Jose Fajardo
I personally am keeping quiet on the public front because 1. I'm smart enough to know that questionable people will try to spin whatever I say into a HTML versus Silverlight argument. 2. I know that MS will respond with more solid messaging that reaffirms their commitment to Silverlight into th

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Scott Barnes
people - both inside and outside of >> > Microsoft >> > - who do feel the need to be given their opinions by the aforementioned >> > crowd. >> > >> > Darren Neimke >> > darren.nei...@live.com >> > >> > >> > >> &g

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Paul Stovell
here will be people - both inside and outside of > Microsoft > > - who do feel the need to be given their opinions by the aforementioned > > crowd. > > > > Darren Neimke > > darren.nei...@live.com > > > > > > > > > > _

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread David Connors
On 1 November 2010 11:42, Joseph wrote: > Yeah - it will be interesting to see how the spindoctors work this without > the president of devdiv losing face. > Did you watch the keynote: http://bit.ly/akeK7Q SFA about SL in it. They pushed the hell out of I

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Paul Stovell
e aforementioned > crowd. > > > Darren Neimke > darren.nei...@live.com > > > > > -------------- > CC: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > From: scott.bar...@gmail.com > > Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:52:46 +

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Scott Barnes
forementioned > crowd. > > Darren Neimke > darren.nei...@live.com > > > > > ____________ > CC: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > From: scott.bar...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:52:46 +1000 > To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com &g

RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Darren Neimke
en their opinions by the aforementioned crowd. Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com CC: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com From: scott.bar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:52:46 +1000 To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com I guess you can believe th

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Scott Barnes
we will beat you up with a fu#$ing great big stick! > > > Darren Neimke > darren.nei...@live.com > > > > > From: crai...@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:24:34 +1100 > Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com >

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Stephen Price
Nice :) Just remember, when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail! On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Paul Stovell wrote: > I took the liberty of graphing this: > http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price > wrote: >> >> Wow. You

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Paul Stovell
I took the liberty of graphing this: http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price wrote: > Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies? > *feigned shocked look* > > I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for site

RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Darren Neimke
.@live.com From: crai...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:24:34 +1100 Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com I agree. This whole Silverlight debate is a beat up over nothing. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Darren Neimke wrote: There's a couple

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Craig van Nieuwkerk
I agree. This whole Silverlight debate is a beat up over nothing. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Darren Neimke wrote: > There's a couple of things here that I think are really, really sad. > > Firstly, a department within Microsoft comes out at an event, and they use > plain English to show tha

RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Darren Neimke
There's a couple of things here that I think are really, really sad. Firstly, a department within Microsoft comes out at an event, and they use plain English to show that they are supporting an exciting new technology. Next, a couple of groups - who make money from eyeballs - come out with i

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Craig van Nieuwkerk
What has changed? I keep reading that their plan for Silverlight was world domination but they have now toned that down to a few niche areas. I never was under the impression that MS planned for Silverlight to be the be all and end all of web development. Craig. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:09 PM, De

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Deepak Kapoor
Or we could take it at its face value and accept that strategy around Silverlight has indeed changed. My 2 cents. Deepak On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Joseph wrote: > Yeah - it will be interesting to see how the spindoctors work this without > the president of devdiv losing face. > > Joseph

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Stephen Price
Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies? *feigned shocked look* I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for ages. Nothing changed here. Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :) On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero wrote: >

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Joseph
Yeah - it will be interesting to see how the spindoctors work this without the president of devdiv losing face. Joseph On 01/11/2010, at 11:09 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk wrote: > I think Muglia wishes he had kept his mouth shut. There will be a statement > coming out in the next couple of days t

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Scott Barnes
This whole saga reminds me of the movie Black Hawk down... the part where the chopper goes down and the General just goes "Gentleman We've lost the initiative" .. its not a question of which part of this story is right or wrong, it's just blind chaos. When i start making sense via twitter/blog post

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Miguel Madero
I like how Shawn puts it, Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is > good for sites. That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use cases for Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment (not much different really), WP7 (

Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?

2010-10-31 Thread Craig van Nieuwkerk
I think Muglia wishes he had kept his mouth shut. There will be a statement coming out in the next couple of days to clarify. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell wrote: > ...at least for non-phones: > > http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/ >