Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread Bob Shell
On May 11, 2007, at 7:26 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: They probably should have gone ahead and produced the full frame digital in spite of the problems with the Philips chip. Contax did it... and they went out of business two years ago. Yes, but for totally different reasons. Contax was

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D I agree. But in terms of retail exposure, it's gotten much better for Pentax in the last six months. You couldn't find a Pentax *ist camera in any of the local camera stores

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread mike wilson
The lens line has been in existence for years. I see no FF DSLR. From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/05/11 Fri AM 10:24:09 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Nonsense. Pentax has never obsoleted a line

RE: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread J. C. O'Connell
List Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D The lens line has been in existence for years. I see no FF DSLR. From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/05/11 Fri AM 10:24:09 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread Fernando Terrazzino
- Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Nonsense. Pentax has never obsoleted a line of lenses before they're introduced. On May 11, 2007, at 3:16 AM, mike wilson wrote: Unfortunately, it's not. Pentax has made its whole lens line obsolete once before and has more than once introduced

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Fernando Terrazzino Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D You lost me, come again? Mike's still incoherent about Blair stepping down. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread P. J. Alling
heard of Pentax. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D I agree. But in terms of retail exposure, it's gotten much better for Pentax in the last six months. You couldn't find a Pentax *ist camera

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D The expensive DA* lenses are really a new line. They're just beginning to appear. Pentax won't obsolete them. But as many have said, they seem to provide enough coverage

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Unfortunately Pentax Imaging would just be a pimple on Hoya's ass. Bob Shell wrote: On May 11, 2007, at 7:26 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: They probably should have gone ahead and produced the full frame digital in spite of the problems with the Philips chip. Contax did it...

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread pnstenquist
] The lens line has been in existence for years. I see no FF DSLR. From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/05/11 Fri AM 10:24:09 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Nonsense. Pentax has never obsoleted

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread Brendan MacRae
completely missing anymore. A few good reviews don't hurt either. -Brendan On May 10, 2007, at 11:12 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D But they're also well made and reasonably

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread Brendan MacRae
Message - From: Brendan MacRae Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Thanks, Tom. It's funny how some presume so much. I love Pentax. I love the K10D. So, kill me if I also want the company to be able compete with the big guys and offer gear

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread Pawel Bartuzi
Well, I don't have a SR yet and although I am sure it is a fantastic tool I find that by 1/15 of a sec. my main problem is people's movement which Pentax SR won't fight. To be honest I've yet to test *ist DS at ISO 1600 and 3200 against color ISO 800 film pushed 1 and 2 stops. I know digital

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread Fernando Terrazzino
On 5/11/07, Pawel Bartuzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I suppose Canon 5D would be an option, but now it costs 4 times as much as an *ist DS. I would say it costs more than that... -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread Tom C
I note these days very little is mentioned by users or advertisers about the K10Ds 22 bit ADC ;-) -- Rob Studdert Spoiler. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread Pawel Bartuzi
Digital Image Studio pisze: On 11/05/07, Pawel Bartuzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me the difference between FF and APS-C is at shooting time. When I shoot film then SMC K 18/3.5, K 28/2 and 35/2 all behave as they are supposed to. When using my DSLR I suddenly loose all my low light wide

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread P. J. Alling
The 22 bit ADC is probably a carry over from the 645d. Looking at the development of the 645 vis a vis the MZ series cameras I'd say that a lot of the processing was developed jointly. That ADC would probably have meant a lot more in the medium format DSLR than it means in the K10D. Tom C

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread graywolf
, Circuit City, etc.), seem to have never heard of Pentax. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D I agree. But in terms of retail exposure, it's gotten much better for Pentax in the last six months

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-11 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 12/05/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 22 bit ADC is probably a carry over from the 645d. Looking at the development of the 645 vis a vis the MZ series cameras I'd say that a lot of the processing was developed jointly. That ADC would probably have meant a lot more in the

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. Gave it more thought. If they are banned from seeking outside investment until the time frame with Hoya runs out, it could be a sneaky underhanded move. That selling a building is the ONLY way they can bring in extra money at

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/9/2007 10:55:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is nothing underhanded or illegal about what they are proposing. If they own the building and wish to liquidate it that's their business, it's irrelevant to the Hoya merger deal. -- Rob Studdert

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/9/2007 10:55:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is nothing underhanded or illegal about what they are proposing. If they own the building and wish to liquidate it that's their business, it's irrelevant to the Hoya merger deal. -- Rob Studdert

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And sorry if you think I am stupid or something, but I don't remember reading on list the suggestion that they have a buyer already lined up. Because it is only a clever move is a buyer IS already lined up. Otherwise it's a pretty

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread John Francis
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:08:30PM -0700, Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:18:02PM -0400, Christian wrote: Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For most people, the (significant) extra

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
--- Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/5/07, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: That doesn't seem to be true. While the Canon 5D is selling reasonably well, it's not selling in anything like the numbers of the smaller-sensor models. For most people, the (significant) extra

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
for the 645D. My point being that there would be MUCH more interest in the former over the latter. Apparently Pentax agrees with me since at least they've killed the 645D. And although you have no evidence to support your contention that a FF DSLR isn't what most people want (apologies to Cotty), I want one

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Brendan, there is one thing you seem to be neglecting. It is purely virtual and purely immaterial - people who were shooting 35 mm gear *used* to 35 mm frame, so that full frame DSLR does not rock their boat, so to say. I for one, would love to have full frame camera just for that reason. But

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and not too long ago it was thought by the majority on this list that digital was too expensive and no one would ever buy a DSLR. A few years ago, many of us figured Pentax would never put a DSLR on the market.

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/05/07, Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true, but is the DSLR market profitable for pentax to continue with or will it be dropped with other non-profitable products? Reports suggest the K mount DSLRs will be the only camera equipment line that they continue with in the

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you are closer to the mark but the question is who would have pulled $10k+ out of their wallet for the 645D? I would have 2 in a snap for my business. Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/5/07, Brendan MacRae, discombobulated, unleashed: And although you have no evidence to support your contention that a FF DSLR isn't what most people want (apologies to Cotty), No need to apologise. I want one as well, but I want better build quality, weatherproofing and performance before

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread mike wilson
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/05/10 Thu AM 01:37:34 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:18:02PM -0400, Christian wrote: Brendan MacRae wrote: --- John Francis [EMAIL

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Cotty, that's true only because you drive Range Rover ;-). Or at least were driving one couple of years ago and most probably drive another similar car now ;-). Just in case - I am being only semi-serious. On 5/10/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/5/07, Brendan MacRae, discombobulated,

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Sandy Harris
Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, from what I've seen, larger sensors produce better images. Call it BS if you want, but why on earth would a company make a camera with a larger sensor if there was no noticeable increase in image quality. Oh, and then charge three times

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/05/07, Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My impression is that they will go with point-and-shoot and drop all other lines. Pentax have had much success in the ps market. Reports to the market indicate otherwise: Pentax will continue to overhaul less profitable businesses. It

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/05/07, Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true, but is the DSLR market profitable for pentax to continue with or will it be dropped with other non-profitable products? Reports suggest the K

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
Buying back your stock is seen as a healthy move by most long term investors. And it generally results in an increase in share value. Paul On May 10, 2007, at 12:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/9/2007 8:28:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On May 10, 2007, at 3:01 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote: I talk to him all the time and he's really craving the quality that he's seeing from guys on his Canon forums. I've subscribed myself to one and have seen some of this work and it blows me away. Much of it looks like MF to me. Then

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
In the press release they specifically said they were going to focus on DSLR for entry level and intermediate users. Paul On May 10, 2007, at 6:00 AM, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/05/07, Kevin Waterson [EMAIL

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Bob Shell
On May 9, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: No one here or on any other photo forum has ever been able to provide proof that Tokina is a part of Hoya group and neither company appears in each others public finical statements. The group name is THK. Tokina-Hoya-Kenko. Bob --

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/5/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty, that's true only because you drive Range Rover ;-). Or at least were driving one couple of years ago and most probably drive another similar car now ;-). Just in case - I am being only semi-serious. You're a better man than me

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Tokyo real estate has absurdly high book values, (or at least it used to). Pentax could probably sell it a s substantial paper loss, to make it look attractive, yet collect oodles of money. On the other hand no one may be able to afford it at anything approaching the price they need for

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
That seems to be a US only distributor. There's no equivalent in Japan, at least no in the public record on the web. There is however a Kenko Corp, an Hoya Corp, and a Tokina Corp. Bob Shell wrote: On May 9, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: No one here or on any other

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Mark Roberts
Digital Image Studio wrote: But they just can't go on increasing the density of APS sized sensor ad infinitum, it will only end in tears. It's true. If the K1D is 14 megapixels as reported, it'll certainly have to have a larger sensor than APS-C if they're going to meet users'

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Actually you could have done the math... Mark Roberts wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: But they just can't go on increasing the density of APS sized sensor ad infinitum, it will only end in tears. It's true. If the K1D is 14 megapixels as reported, it'll certainly have to have

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/05/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 9, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: No one here or on any other photo forum has ever been able to provide proof that Tokina is a part of Hoya group and neither company appears in each others public finical statements.

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Mark Roberts
P. J. Alling wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: But they just can't go on increasing the density of APS sized sensor ad infinitum, it will only end in tears. It's true. If the K1D is 14 megapixels as reported, it'll certainly have to have a larger sensor than

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Takehiko Ueda
Hi friends, Maybe this is not news, but to make sure. Pentax is to open its middle term plan tomorrow, with their business performance of FY2006. Their biggest shareholder, an investment fund, is proposing to nominate the ex-president of the company as a board member, which means the fund urges

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Thanks for the heads up. The factually correct information is very important both in general and in this very community in particular. Thanks! On 5/10/07, Takehiko Ueda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi friends, Maybe this is not news, but to make sure. Pentax is to open its middle term plan

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Fernando Terrazzino
Didn't see this posted: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchivesid=a3WWqqxLUotM Pretty much the same On 5/9/07, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just in... TOKYO (Nikkei)--Pentax Corp. plans to sell its Tokyo headquarters and withdraw from less profitable businesses... ... On

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread pnstenquist
Whatever size sensor Pentax uses in the K1D, we can be sure it will work with DA lenses. They wouldn't be introducing a full line of expensive lenses for cameras that can't use them. So FF is definitely a no go. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Boris Liberman
I agree with Paul. Consider K1D that is same as K10D but has proper 16 bit RAW files and some minor goodies. It will be both a breakthrough and a new flagship model. On 5/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever size sensor Pentax uses in the K1D, we can be sure it will work

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever size sensor Pentax uses in the K1D, we can be sure it will work with DA lenses. They wouldn't be introducing a full line of expensive lenses for cameras that can't use them. So FF is definitely a no go. I really don't think

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/05/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Paul. Consider K1D that is same as K10D but has proper 16 bit RAW files and some minor goodies. It will be both a breakthrough and a new flagship model. Boris, the bit depth issue has been discussed before, it's just of no

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Jack Davis
Irrefutable logic! Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever size sensor Pentax uses in the K1D, we can be sure it will work with DA lenses. They wouldn't be introducing a full line of expensive lenses for cameras that can't use them. So FF is definitely a no go. Paul --

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread John Forbes
If they buy back more of their stock, Sparxx will be left with a larger percentage of the total that remains. I doubt if that is what Pentax wants. John On Thu, 10 May 2007 11:15:17 +0100, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buying back your stock is seen as a healthy move by most

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Fernando Terrazzino
To me APS-C keeps the camera size reasonable, I paid the size-price when I moved to the K10D but just to gain SR. I don't think I'm going for the new DA*s but they sure seem smaller than Canon's equivalents. Luckily for me Pentax seems to agree with moi. Fernando On 5/10/07, Jack Davis [EMAIL

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Francis Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Precisely. You just plain assume that better means larger sensor. That's the viewpoint that's full of BS. It's generally accepted that for any given number of sensor sites, a bigger

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Boris Liberman
May be. I wonder what marketing dept has to say ;-). We're living in the marketing world, Rob. On 5/10/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/05/07, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Paul. Consider K1D that is same as K10D but has proper 16 bit RAW files

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Tom C
: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 23:30:10 -0400 Yes. Paul On May 9, 2007, at 11:12 PM, Jack Davis wrote: This thought may have been offered as I've only looked at a few of these posts. It may be that Pentax is taking the same route as many have

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Tom C
are generally writing as if he did. Tom C. From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 23:18:54 -0400 Then get ready to open you wallet

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Tom C
(or even $8k if we are being kind of naive). -- Rob Studdert Come now. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Tom C
And it was under the *former* president's watch that DSLR's became more profitable. So go figure. Tom C. From: Takehiko Ueda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Jack Davis
It'll still be a percentage of the total shares available.(?) Jack --- John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they buy back more of their stock, Sparxx will be left with a larger percentage of the total that remains. I doubt if that is what Pentax wants. John On Thu, 10 May 2007

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Jack Davis
Refuting failure.. ;) --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logic, yes. Start from incorrect assumptions and follow them to the logical incorrect conclusion. Not that I'm saying Paul is wrong, just that even impeccable logic doesn't guarantee he's right. Jack Davis wrote:

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
That's the way I see it. Digital Image Studio wrote: On 10/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever size sensor Pentax uses in the K1D, we can be sure it will work with DA lenses. They wouldn't be introducing a full line of expensive lenses for cameras that can't use

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Logic, yes. Start from incorrect assumptions and follow them to the logical incorrect conclusion. Not that I'm saying Paul is wrong, just that even impeccable logic doesn't guarantee he's right. Jack Davis wrote: Irrefutable logic! Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever size

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Maybe Pentax is planning a private offer to Sparx at a the same or higher price than Hoya. (Blackmail is such a dirty word). John Forbes wrote: If they buy back more of their stock, Sparxx will be left with a larger percentage of the total that remains. I doubt if that is what Pentax

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Logic, yes. Start from incorrect assumptions and follow them to the logical incorrect conclusion. Not that I'm saying Paul is wrong, just that even impeccable logic doesn't

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Tom C
logic tell us? Tom C. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:09:05 -0400 Logic, yes. Start from incorrect assumptions

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread pnstenquist
that DSLR's became more profitable. So go figure. Tom C. From: Takehiko Ueda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:09:02 +0900 Hi

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
But that was before, (when Pentax had pinned it's professional hopes on the 645d), everything changed recently, but no one has really noticed. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Logic, yes

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Tom C
Good one. :-) Tom C. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:39:07 + So not only did Al Gore invent the internet, Bill Clinton

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Scott Loveless
-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:09:02 +0900 Hi friends, Maybe this is not news, but to make sure. Pentax is to open its middle term plan tomorrow

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:09:02 +0900 Hi friends, Maybe this is not news, but to make sure. Pentax is to open its middle term plan tomorrow, with their business performance of FY2006. Their biggest shareholder

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Dario Bonazza
William Robb wrote: One needn't look farther than the lens roadmap to see that they don't have the intent to produce lenses that will cover a 24x36 format sensor. It's not much of a leap to be safe in the presumption that they don't have plans to produce a camera that they aren't planning on

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
and Apparently Drops 645D Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:09:05 -0400 Logic, yes. Start from incorrect assumptions and follow them to the logical incorrect conclusion. Not that I'm saying Paul is wrong, just that even impeccable logic doesn't guarantee he's right. Jack Davis wrote: Irrefutable

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Tom C
and Apparently Drops 645D Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:21:26 -0400 Logic tells us that when conditions change corporations change course. Tom C wrote: Logic would tell us that Pentax could probably not produce a competitive, profitable, MF DSLR in the face of many MF pro's dumping their MF film bodies

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread graywolf
work on a larger sensor for it's DSLR's with the RD for the 645D. My point being that there would be MUCH more interest in the former over the latter. Apparently Pentax agrees with me since at least they've killed the 645D. And although you have no evidence to support your contention

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever size sensor Pentax uses in the K1D, we can be sure it will work with DA lenses. They wouldn't be introducing a full line of expensive lenses for cameras that can't use them. So FF is definitely a no go. Paul That's a good point, Paul. I was thinking

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
--- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 10, 2007, at 3:01 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote: I talk to him all the time and he's really craving the quality that he's seeing from guys on his Canon forums. I've subscribed myself to one and have seen some of this work and it blows

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread graywolf
Come on, Paul, you know that if you buy a Hassy H1 your web images will be better than mine. HA HA HA HA... Paul Stenquist wrote: On May 10, 2007, at 3:01 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote: I talk to him all the time and he's really craving the quality that he's seeing from guys on his Canon

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread graywolf
BUT! Larger pixels are desirable in themselves, as long as your density is high enough to give the resolution you need. Which is better a 100hp V8, or a 200hp 4-banger? Mark Roberts wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: But they just can't go on increasing the density of APS sized sensor ad

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Fernando Terrazzino
Here is an idea that I never tried, take a raw photo with the k10d, process as 10Mb, 6Mb and 2Mb. Downsize every jpeg to half the size of the 2Mb photo. See any difference? On 5/10/07, Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 10, 2007, at

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:21:26 -0400 Logic tells us that when conditions change corporations change course. Tom C wrote: Logic would tell us that Pentax could

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Joseph Tainter
Mark wrote: If the K1D is 14 megapixels as reported Mark, where did you see this? I don't recall reading it. Thanks, Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
Subject: Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:09:02 +0900 Hi friends, Maybe this is not news, but to make sure. Pentax is to open its middle term plan tomorrow, with their business performance of FY2006. Their biggest shareholder

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
--- Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with Brendan on this one. I think he's presented his opinion in a sound and rational manner and that he's just getting bashed around because it's not that of a cheerleader. If Pentax had a FF body at a reasonable price, I bet the vast majority

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread John Sessoms
From: P. J. Alling Maybe Pentax is planning a private offer to Sparx at a the same or higher price than Hoya. (Blackmail is such a dirty word). In corporate speak, it's called a poison pill ... taking on a load of debt or some such other action that makes the corporation less attractive

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread pnstenquist
That could happen. I would imagine that the DA lenses were designed with some room for sensor expansion. Paul -- Original message -- From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever size sensor Pentax uses in the K1D, we can be

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Tjis action would seem to be the opposite of a poison pill. John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling Maybe Pentax is planning a private offer to Sparx at a the same or higher price than Hoya. (Blackmail is such a dirty word). In corporate speak, it's called a poison pill ... taking on

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/05/07, Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one time, at band camp, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you are closer to the mark but the question is who would have pulled $10k+ out of their wallet for the 645D? I would have 2 in a snap for my business.

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread P. J. Alling
I've been championing the 1.3x crop sensor for a long time. I think it would be close to the perfect compromise. However it annoys me when people call it the APS-H format. No matter what Canon marketing wishes, it isn't. The Canon so called APS-H format is 20.1mm x18.7mm with the same

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
--- Fernando Terrazzino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is an idea that I never tried, take a raw photo with the k10d, process as 10Mb, 6Mb and 2Mb. Downsize every jpeg to half the size of the 2Mb photo. See any difference? No, I haven't done that either. But why would I? Wouldn't that only

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Fernando Terrazzino
My point is that the advantage of a larger sensor is less noise and the ability to print at a larger size (more mpixels), so unless you need the clean high ISO I doubt that you can tell the difference between downsized images for the web coming from a FF camera and a APS-C camera, any extra

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Fernando Terrazzino
Furthermore, take a look at this: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond2x/page24.asp Is the 12mpixeks Nikon D2X vs Canon's 17.2mpixels EOS-1Ds Mark II FF There are obviously other factors to consider, but resolution-wise, at low ISOs you'll see there can't be to much difference in a web-size

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Brendan MacRae
Better image quality for printing, yes. That is why I would want a larger sensor. Low noise would be another benefit. And I can see a difference in downsized images on the web. There is a perceptible difference. -Brendan --- Fernando Terrazzino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is that the

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Fernando Terrazzino
On 5/10/07, Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And I can see a difference in downsized images on the web. There is a perceptible difference. Ok then -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Cassio Vogel Dorneles
Completing the information: Of course, It's not guaranteed and it's not valid for all DA lenses. Cassio On 5/10/07, Cassio Vogel Dorneles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read somewhere some DA lenses could even be used with (obviously FF) film cameras. Unfortunately, I've lost the source :-(

Re: Pentax - Selling HQ and Apparently Drops 645D

2007-05-10 Thread Cassio Vogel Dorneles
I've read somewhere some DA lenses could even be used with (obviously FF) film cameras. Unfortunately, I've lost the source :-( Cassio (Hi, I'm new here) On 5/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That could happen. I would imagine that the DA lenses were designed with some room

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