ng] and therefore -
can’t provide enough information to the next experience [ the Dynamic
Interpretant]..to enable it to function within the clarity of Secondness.
So- we’ll have to as usual, continue to disagree.
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this could functionally occur- and would appreciate an actual
>> example.
>>
>> I also don’t agree that the ‘mode of presentation/being of the II
>> ‘constrains’ the mode of being of the DI…and I don’t agree that there is a
>> ‘purpose to the FI. Mo
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[ the Dynamic Interpretant]..to enable it to function within the
> clarity of Secondness.
>
> So- we’ll have to as usual, continue to disagree.
>
> Edwina
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> extensive examination of the semiotic process and the interpretants - is
> confined to the linguistic realm, for such a realm-of-examination would
> require merely half a paragraph - and not years of thought and work.
>
> But- I am aware that JAS will not change his conclusion
y’s outlines.
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ument that, one cannot move, cognitively, from possible
>> to existent to necessitate [ 1ns to 2ns to 3ns] BUT this does not then mean
>> that the Final Interpretant is in a mode of 3ns! All it means is that, if
>> the Immediate Interpretant is in a mode of 1ns, then, the other
hn
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I have read your comments, and I have read several articles by Tony Jappy that
explain these issues in far greater depth and generality. I strongly urge you
to study his writings.
John
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To
tion if consideration of the matter
>>> were carried so far that an ultimate opinion were reached. (EP2: 496; 1909)
>>>
>>> It is difficult to see how such definitions might accord with JS’s
>>> ordering: if the final interpretant as Peirce defines it here is
gt; actual reaction to a sign and If a future tendency) surely suggest that
>> the only possibility of misinterpretation comes from when, in an actual
>> semiosis, the Id reaction is not congruent with the intended
>> interpretation. We know from the draft to LW of March 1906
not congruent with the
>> intended interpretation. We know from the draft to LW of March 1906 that
>> there is ‘the Intentional Interpretant, which is a determination of the mind
>> of the utterer; the Effectual Interpretant, which is a determination of the
>> mind of
are two tokens of the same type.
>
> It confirms Peirce's final choice.
>
> John
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convincing explanations for his abstract ideas. (
https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2024-02/msg00096.html)
Why think that "tone" vs. "mark" was an exception to this, such that her
"homely" opinion about it did not sway him--especially since he was st
of *mis*interpretations.’ (JS)
>
> To which I reply that Chapter Four of my book has a Table (4.1) displaying 14
> six- and ten-division typologies established between 1904 and 1908, of
> which only the first two (both from 1904) have the order given by JS -
> *all* the others have im
mark are
two tokens of the same type.
It confirms Peirce's final choice.
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This is a discussion we’ve had with JAS before - and I agree with Dr. Jappy
[TJ]. .
I a
ot; and "not definitely" might be translated with "false", i think.
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ex- or inclusion (composition). This example shows, that composition, determination and classification form a complexity.
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>> about Delta graphs.
>>
>> The article by Jappy is a 14-page summary of issues that he discussed in
>> much more detail in a book he wrote in 2017. I inserted commentary at
>> various points marked by "JFS:". But I did not add, delete, or cha
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te in 2017. I inserted commentary at
> various points marked by "JFS:". But I did not add, delete, or change any
> of Jappy's text. My comments do not discuss any issues about Delta graphs,
> but they provide some background information that may be helpful for
> interpreting L376.
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blanks?
Which of the logical particles would associated with a metalanguage in the
example cited by Roberts?
Have fun!
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y, the two
> blanks of a dual rhema may be joined to make a complete proposition. Thus,
> "__ loves __", "X loves X", or something loves itself [3.421].
>
This article is important for several reasons. It shows clearly that the
> parallel existing between these diagrams
arski was the
> first to use this term?
>
> Although this may seem as a trivial point, it becomes rather critical from
> the perspectives of emergence and evolution with the putative levels of
> development and the corresponding grammatical distinctions between the social
&g
aphs are a completely
new branch of EGs.
In summary, metalanguage is the "secrete sauce" that makes Gamma graphs a third
branch. But investigation makes Delta graphs the fourth branch. That
difference is very important.
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> Was I misled by the assertion (by another logician) that Tarski was the
> first to use this term?
>
> Although this may seem as a trivial point, it becomes rather critical from
> the perspectives of emergence and evolution with the putative levels of
> development and
ocial and natural
sciences and current notions of “metalogics”.
At issue is the languages in which propositions are posited.
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or by some other method; (c) an organization of the papers
> according to Cayley's trees, which Risteen had studied. (See the
> references to Risteen in EP2.)
>
> If Peirce had been healthy for the following six weeks, a continuation
> along these lines could have gone a long
so that one part of it is before the common
>attention at one time and another part at another, and that actual conventions
>between them equivalent to scribed graphs make some of those pieces relate to
>one subject and part to another”.
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ommon attention at one time and another part at another, and that
> actual conventions between them equivalent to scribed graphs make some of
> those pieces relate to one subject and part to another”.
>
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scussion of EGs which does not reference Roberts' work
> including, as you remarked, the recent one on Peirce-L. As for Kent's book
> on the classification of sciences, while there is surely *no* work that I
> am anywhere close to knowing 'by heart', if recurring study of any book
> w
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utterer and interpreter at different times, such that together they represent
the entire universe of discourse. This is not new or innovative in 1911--it
echoes what Peirce had already written at least twice previously, as I have
demonstrated with exact quotations
(https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/
e universe of discourse. This is not new or innovative
in 1911--it echoes what Peirce had already written at least twice
previously, as I have demonstrated with exact quotations (
https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2024-03/msg4.html). Nothing
precludes using the "many papers"
hmidt"
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Modal EGs in Delta vs. Gamma
John, List:
JFS: Since your article has just been accepted for publication, you probably
still have time to make a few corrections.
Actually, my paper was accepted for publication (after review and revision) six
months ago, and I s
l logics within the modern forms of symbolic logics, the
>> roles of individual minds in expressing semes appears to become dominant.
>> In other words, the boundaries between symbols and icons seems to
>> disappearing...
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Jer
person who does the writing.
... Nobody can claim that their opinion is what Peirce intended" (
https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2024-01/msg00098.html).
JFS: Please note that EGs that refer to "circumstances" can be translated
to ordinary statements in Peirce's algebrai
” are you referring to?
Cheers
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1909 Jan 7),
although he evidently never worked out the details. I believe that I have done
so in my forthcoming paper.
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y, or mathematical, reasoning into its
> ultimate logical steps.
>
> If the reviewers see that transition, they will immediately ask very
> serious questions. If you don't include the full L376 in an appendix (as I
> am doing in my article), reviewers will ask why not?
>
> Finally, if
as spelled out in my forthcoming paper, they provide *graphical *solutions
for iterated modalities, modal axioms, etc.
JFS: And we should all remember that Peirce List is a collaboration, not a
competition. If somebody corrects one of our mistakes, we should thank them
for the correction. (
https
wo sentences can be translated to any version of modal
logic based on the modal logics by C. I. Lewis or later variations of it.
John
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suggests the notation of a dotted oval and dotted line to assert a proposition
about a proposition (CP 4.471, 1903), similar to the first EG on RLT 151
(1898), as John and I discussed recently
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Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] metalanguage, possibility, WAS: Logical Content of
Graphical Signs (was Higher-Order Logics)
Helmut, List:
Different kinds o
proposition instead of a name for a
general concept, the Gamma EG for "A thinks that B" has A attached by a
heavy line of identity to "thinking," which is then attached by a dotted
line to a dotted oval around B, preferably spelled out as a Beta EG (
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deal
> about possibility and necessity, but he never used his 1903 modal logic for
> any of that.
>
> Once again, Peirce's logic is at the forefront of 21st C developments.
>
> John
>
>
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1903 modal logic for any
of that.
Once again, Peirce's logic is at the forefront of 21st C developments.
John
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st, and if it is false (of course it is), possibility cannot be proved to be one.
Best regards, helmut
Dienstag, 12. März 2024 um 22:59 Uhr
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J
logic that has no
>> applications is. literally, useless. There are many such versions in the
>> many years of published tomes. And most of them have few or no citations.
>>
>> On rare occasions, something from the distant past is revived and becomes
>> a big succ
bolic logics, the
> roles of individual minds in expressing semes appears to become dominant.
> In other words, the boundaries between symbols and icons seems to
> disappearing...
>
> Cheers
>
> Jerry
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> because I have used and worked with similar logics from the late 20th a
ht before the one where Peirce
> suggests the notation of a dotted oval and dotted line to assert a
> proposition about a proposition (CP 4.471, 1903), similar to the first EG on
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John, List:
JFS: For convenience, see the attached Delta376.txt.
I
elate to one subject and part to another." As I have noted
before, the different parts relate to different *subjects *to which both
parties pay attention at different times--equivalent what Peirce describes
in previous texts such as R 280 (c. 1905) and CP 4.561n (1908), both of
which I quoted last
end in the next few days.
John
In that case, I believe that the thin line implies that the proposition in the
oval is a THING that is the subject of the verb phrase "is much to be wished."
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(1898), as John and I discussed recently
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irst EG
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Delta Existential Graphs
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ctual *state of things
(AST), and it can be attached to multiple LoCs for *iterated *modalities
unless system *P* is being implemented to preclude them.
JFS: I don't have the page number of R514 in front of me, but I remember
that the following sentence ended in the middle with [end].
Again, why th
raphs and the IKL logic have very similar goals. That's
> why they are so closely related. I'll mention that in my article on Delta
> graphs.
>
> John
>
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Peirce's Delta graphs and the IKL logic have very similar goals. That's why
they are so closely related. I'll mention that in my article on Delta graphs.
John
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e the time or inclination to hunt for quotations
that are only *very generally* pointed to.
Again, I have found your exchange most interesting and valuable. But on a
listserv such as Peirce-L, it would be more than helpful to have exact
quotations provided in posts to the List, especially in con
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consistent with modern
> developments in physics and astronomy.
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> John
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> hidden connection.
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s more complicated for iterated modalities, where a non-modal
>> proposition (such as *p* or *q*) is within the scope of more than one
>> modal operator (such as ◇ for possibility or □ for necessity). The
>> letter would then be attached to more than one LoC on the AST sheet and at
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reason why Peirce could describe Delta
graphs in a note to him in a minimum number of words
John
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Gra
uture in the real word or in heaven, hell, Wonderland, or
> the Looking Glass.
>
> Wonderland, for example, would be a possible world that could not be
> actualized -- as Peirce said in CP 8.192, stated below.
>
> John
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