following report from the
Transactions of the Charles S. Peirce Society" and Section 5: "André De
Tienne delivered the following report on the Peirce Edition Project."
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Gary
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sidering how highly he valued their
discovery, this has always struck me as quite odd.
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>>> Leo 03/27/12 4:23 AM >&g
and I begin a new dialogue with Joe (reading through the whole
page once is also very highly recommended). But I think Cathy's
questions really do need our reflection, both apart from and in the
context of Joe's goals and purposes for this forum. Best, Gary
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This thread again reminded me that St. Augustine (a profound analyzer of
time in his own right) once remarked to the effect that time seems such
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>>> Robert Lane 3/5/2012 4:58 PM >>>
Dear Members and Friends of the Charles S. Peirce Society,
Below is the program for our upcoming meeting, as well as the agenda
for the subsequent business meeting. The program and agenda are also
available at the Peirce Society's website:
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is will be helpful in any
number of ways for use of whatever archive or folder may end up
containing these posts in the future.
Best,
Gary and Ben
On 3/2/12, Jon Awbrey wrote:
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>>> Cathy, Stephen, list,
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>>> Cathy, you wrote: "I don't see how one might interpr
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> I don't see how one might interpret induction as secondness though.
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Dr. Chevalier will present his paper at the n
I would tend to agree with you, Stephen. Gary
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division of logic as semeiotic, sandwiched between semeiotic
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these new resources? Gary
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>>> Gary Fuhrman 01/17/12 5:47 PM >>>
Here's something directly relevant to this paper that i ju
he way it
evolves will change the situation, so that the spontaneous emergence of
a *new* teleodynamic process may be precluded in that environment -- as
has very likely happened on this planet).
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Sorry--the last phrase of my message got cut off at the end for some reason.
Here the message is in its entirety. GR
Kirsti,
You wrote:
KM: I did not understand that you were talking about biological processes. - To
that, I have no comments.
GR: Actually, that brief discussion--near the end o
g not only about the possibly of "overloading" a
diagram, but also about the language I was using (quasi-utterer finally
preferred to utter, perhaps even before the biosemiotic extension).
Best,
Gary
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ist members come up with. You and I
seem in agreement that *Incomplete Science* represents some
extraordinary research with implications for semiotics generally, and
reaching, perhaps, even beyond biosemiotics. My own sense is that I'll
be studying and reflecting on this book for many years t
ested if you and anyone on the list have any suggestions as to
how to proceed in consideration of a list discussion of Incomplete
Nature. I'm hoping that Deacon will at least allow us to post some
excerpts from the book, but of course copyright considerations might
severely limit the le
become
a sign, be uttered?" (CP 8.348). So, perhaps one could say that there is
in nature a kind of semiotic utterance, but no utterer as such, a kind
of semiotic interpretation, but no interpreter as such, etc. Still, the
'quasi-uttering' is, as I see it placed correctly in the posit
PS I should have noted that the concise Wikipedia article on arXiv
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArXiv , the first foot-noted link being to
the arxiv itself http://arxiv.org/ is fascinating and, probably,
essential reading on the Gisnparg system. GR
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usion of Joe's paper, that
part of it centering on peer-review; I think my answer must include a
reflection on Joe's reflection as to what constitutes a peer.
Best,
Gary
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Morand and Vinicius Romanini are exploring the 64 signs. It
would seem to me likely that the complexity of semioitic grammar--that
science directed to research into the 'grounds' of signs--might be
worthy of at least a generation of scholars' work.
Best,
Gary
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ted to me that what
may first appear to be a dyadic relationship may turn out to be a
triadic one. Further, the dialogical relationship is, for Peirce, a
trichotomic one [see also, "thinking always proceeds in the form of a
dialogue" CP 4.6; and, especially, "every evolution of thought
er reflection on Peirce seeing these sentiments as "pretty much
the same as that famous trio of Charity, Faith, and Hope" would take us,
perhaps, rather far afield.
Best,
Gary
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l purpose. And, as you
concluded, "with triadic reasoning, there has to be a third." Is this
along the lines of your thinking on the matter? If not, where do we
differ in our thinking on this matter?
In any event, happy new year to you, Kirsti, and to all members of the
forum.
Best, Gary
It
continues to be a privilege and an honor to discuss Peirce-related
matters with you in the forum. Here's to a happy, healthy, and
productive new year for us all.
Best regards,
Gary Richmond and Ben Udell
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few
weeks, and I'm sure your Chapter 9 will be helpful in that regard, Gary. Again,
I hope that some of us here will be interested in considering what I'm
beginning to think of as the 'bisemiotic turn' in at least some of our inquiry
next year.
Best,
Gary
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Ben,
Thanks. This is very helpful.
Best, Gary
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>>> Benjamin Udell 12/18/11 4:46 PM >>>
Gary, list,
I didn't ev
e been connected to the "He who would not sacrifice his
own soul" idea, something I don't recall occurring in the earlier
discussion (which restricted itself to the reversal of the language of
the concluding thought).
Also, if anyone could easily recover that earlier discussion (B
omic, infra-structural, and
other changes in the interest of benefiting individuals and society. I would
think that Peirce would have celebrated the new technologies, possibly have
contributed to them; but he would have deplored their misuse. On that point, at
least, I think we are all in agree
be site.
http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/aboutcsp.htm#Fernandez
Now, having said all this, I will try to refrain from discussing even
Peircean influenced biosemiotic notions until the new year to allow for
the more fully relevant discussion suggested by your initial post and
Ben&
Sorry, one major error: in the 4th paragraph beginning, "For example," I
wrote "those
non-constraints on matter which Peirce calls 'habits'." The "non-"
shouldn't be there. GR
>>> Gary Richmond 12/11/11 3:05 PM >>>
Peter, Gary F.,
e end, goal, typically a
project they share an interest in, strategically 'bootstrapping' it to
accelerate movement towards their goal).
I haven't kept up with Engelbart's work in recent years, but I think you
are correct in seeing it as "reflecting an understanding of IA v
n Arisbe to which you referred. Before I comment
further, is there anything in the above passage which you would say
needs correction or where you yourself have somewhat modified your
position?
Best,
Gary R.
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ndependently of particular minds or
gatherings of minds but would be discovered by enough investigation. For
my part, I'd say that it's the real in that very aspect for which the
transformative imagination is the cognitive access - the "mathematical
sense." Insofar as mathematics far
uot;
Finally, I'd also be interested in discussing at some point Joe's (and
Peirce's) 'utterer' and 'object' relation, but this is already getting to be a
longish post, so I'll just leave it at that for now.
Again, apologies for my delay in responding;
Nathan is still having posting problems and has asked me to forward this
response to Jon's message. Gary Richmond
Reply to Jon Awbrey, 2 Oct. 2011:
Jon,
Let me make a quick reply and later when I have more time I'll go back to Joe's
paper to see if he may have had something li
me
off-list messages have suggested to me that I'm not the only one who is seeing
it this way. I encourage you all to take a look at Arisbe when you have a
chance.
Best,
Gary
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Nathan, Ben,
Well, there's not too much to add, I think. Thanks, Ben. This was more than a
refresher course for me.
Best,
Gary
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Hi, Kevin,
Welcome to the list. Members of the Peirce forum are, it seems to me, a rich
mix of Peirce scholars and others--including students and folk in disciplines
other than philosophy--all of whom share an interest in aspects of Peirce's
thought.
Yours are good questions, but I'll have to p
pe to
find time to participate in this slow read when I am back in NYC this coming
week after a Cape Cod holiday (with less than ideal e-communication
opportunities). But the new academic year approaches, so who knows. . .
Good luck with the slow read: it appears to me that you are off to a
assion when it seems
to me that there might be an attempt to undermine what is strong and
potentially helpful in Peirce's semeiotic and pragmatism occurring (of course
this does not I think that Peirce's ideas--any more than Ari
Gene, Stephen, List,
Gene, thanks for this enlightening post, quite relevant to the threaded
discussion.
Also, thanks for your great good humor: "if I were Aristotle, I'd get me an
intellectual property lawyer."
Best,
Gary
>>> "Stephen C. Rose" 8/16/2011 5:20 PM >>>
Re Aristotle, I dou
raph on the topic. So, no time at present for a paper which purports
to argue "that Peirce can be seen as the last great representative of that
inconspicuous but persistent tradition that, from the thirteenth to the
seventeenth century, spent its energies on discovering a universal langua
to overcome the Cartesian dualism
which he saw evident in most of the science of his day. So, I'll try to be more
current in my usage of "reductionism" in the future.
Best,
Gary
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List, Jerry, Tori,
(a) Signs, in the Peircean sense, are not mere signals. According to Peirce,
they have the living quality (feeling) that gave life to the cosmos from the
get go (either that or one is going to have to (1) take a theological stance,
which Peirce decidedly does not, or (2) th
n, there is a real tendency to an end in
the sign itself--that is, in the semiosis process--which is what is
meant by saying that it is teleological. As we have seen, the type of
teleology involved is tendential rather than intentional in type.
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even one person here would disagree with
you about that. So perhaps you aren't as idiosyncratic as you think you are?
And perhaps it is not so much our having superficial discussions here as it is
your attempting to narrow the range of those discussions (to narrow is not
necessarily to de
nderstandings of, for
example, "pragmatic" (their's based on Morris, mine on Peirce). Our
communication in these matters improved considerably as this
disagreement was uncovered.
GR: But as to GF's last point that this communication "bog we're
walking on" puts the
constructed—in this case, the meaning of the
essay—into a whole.
This “weaving together” by the symbol represents the essential 3ns
required for a unitary object to exist at all, thus for it to have a
unitary meaning, and to have possible global interpretants.
Gary Richmond
>From “Teleology and
Gary,
This is a very good question indeed:
[GF] ". . . did you mean to say that any reader of the essay is an
interpretant of it (rather than an interpreter)? I think this would
make sense, given Peirce’s argument that “the word or sign which man
uses is the man himself” (EP1:54)."
I did mea
entails the fallibility of scientific
knowledge. But the fallibilty of perceptual judgements, which is
affirmed by both Peirce and Popper, appears to me to be an independent
conclusion, not entailed by the falsifiability of hypotheses.
>
> Peter
>
> F
I also agree with Peter. Is it possible that we all (that is, all who
participated in this discussion of falsifiability & fallibilism) are in
agreement? If that is indeed so, it might represent a kind of first here! Best,
Gary
>>> Steven Ericsson-Zenith 8/5/2011 2:22 PM >>>
I agree with Peter.
object references it contains all contribute in one way or
another, directly or indirectly, to its reference as a whole to its
global object.
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>>>
Peter, Gary F.
Peter, thanks for this helpful clarification that a falsification is
not ever conclusive.
I would agree with you that "Popper was a fallibilist as well as a
falsificationist," and that that distinction certainly needs to be made.
The point I wanted to make in passing, but which I
s and hers and mine--are mutually
compatible, as they could well be." As for the emphasis you seem to put
on the author's intention (which Joe seems not to so much), I think (but
can't yet argue) that in the best constructed theories (or novels, etc.)
that if the author's conception
e muddled beyond usefulness,
but wanted to post it anyway, in the hope that somebody else would clear
it up for me ... but in any case, i’m looking forward to further
discussion in this thread.
Gary F.
} The meaning of a word is its use in the language. [Wittgenstein] {
www.gnusystems.ca/gnoxic.htm }{ home
Fro
seem to follow from this that if the
creative and meaning-generating work of any scientist, or artist, or
humanist, etc is to go very far at all, it is because the signs that
were created themselves generate interpretants which propel it towards
that evolutionary future
Best,
Gary Richmond
.
Finally, Joe’s choice of illustrative example (which runs through the
entire paper), namely, a semeiotic analysis of this very paper in
relation to the key semeiotic themes mentioned above, represents, I
think, a stroke of rhetorical genius (rhetorical in a Peircean sense).
Best, Gary
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person, again, away from mechanical towards organic thinking.
I'll take up the Joe's "Teleology and the Autonomy of the Semiosis
Process" much more specifically in my next post. On the other hand, I've
so enjoyed the discussion that Gary F. has been leading that I hope
Irving, list,
Thanks for this clarification, Irving. I was aware of the
terminological issue because of my discussions during the past decade
with mathematicians attending the International Conference on Conceptual
Structures, John Sowa's conference. They also expressed concerns about
my use of t
' (an applied, or, as Peirce
puts it, 'practical' science), one ought skip over those trikons
representing tricategorial relations in semeiotic, but not, for example,
those in pure mathematics. But, in a word, much, and most everything,
can be tricategorially analyzed. GR
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lf, again, a categorial trichotomy); but, especially, something
like category theory will be needed to prepare for the trichotomies of
logic as semeiotic which, as I see it, rather dominate that final
normative science.
Best,
Gary R.
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Gary F., Irving,
I too want to thank Irving for his post which clarified certain issues
for me as well.
Just a footnote to your comments, Gary. I'll have to find the source(s)
for the following idea later as I have to leave soon to visit a friend
in hospital.
As I recall, Peirce says somewhe
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