Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Wittek
Damn, forgot the link. Thomas Wittek schrieb: > That's mainly what I did as stated in my first post[1]. [...] [1]: news://nntp.perl.org:119/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Wittek
Juerd schrieb: > * Markdown does not have tables. > * Textile does not have paragraphs in table cells. > * Kwiki does not have paragraphs in table cells. > > Unless someone comes up with another way to do side-by-side layouts > (extremely useful for showcasing differences between Perl 5 and Perl 6

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Wittek
Udo Güngerich schrieb: > Thomas Wittek wrote: >> Unfortunately you probably have to throw away/heavily modify earlier >> increments, if you add features like a flexible syntax, which will need >> a different internal infrastructure. > > Well, if object-oriented design has any advantage at all, her

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-06 Thread Matt Todd
I also agree that Object Oriented Design would work wonderfully well here. The key here is prototyping its shape and then filling in the details once it has taken this shape. I like the term 'messages' for methods because it reminds me that the objects must send requests, forms of communication,

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-06 Thread Udo Güngerich
Thomas Wittek wrote: > > Good ideas. But maybe we should start a bit smaller ;) > It might be a good idea to create a list of features separated in > several increments (releases) to get a running system early. Absolutely. > I could imagine increments like "Parsing/Converting", "Storage > backe

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-06 Thread Ben Morrow
Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juerd): > > * Markdown does not have tables. > * Textile does not have paragraphs in table cells. > * Kwiki does not have paragraphs in table cells. > > Unless someone comes up with another way to do side-by-side layouts > (extremely useful for showcasing differences bet

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-06 Thread Juerd
* Markdown does not have tables. * Textile does not have paragraphs in table cells. * Kwiki does not have paragraphs in table cells. Unless someone comes up with another way to do side-by-side layouts (extremely useful for showcasing differences between Perl 5 and Perl 6), all of these formats ar

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-06 Thread Hezekiah M. Carty
On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 10:59 -0400, Matt Todd wrote: > I particularly like the syntax of Textile or even Markdown (preferring > the former). In Ruby-land, these exist as RedCloth and BlueCloth. I > understand porting isn't fun, but I think that this is a viable > option, if not a great choice. Fo

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-06 Thread Matt Todd
Iraq invasion indeed wait, shouldn't go there. I particularly like the syntax of Textile or even Markdown (preferring the former). In Ruby-land, these exist as RedCloth and BlueCloth. I understand porting isn't fun, but I think that this is a viable option, if not a great choice. Not that th

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-06 Thread Daniel Hulme
> Ask Bj�rn Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Woah, we are getting really far away from talking about perl6 > > here... > > Kind of a usenet law or corollary? "Every discussion about wikis ends You're being a bit optimistic there, aren't you? The only way you'd end a my-wiki-is-better-than-y

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-06 Thread Thomas Wittek
Udo Güngerich schrieb: > Why not doing a wiki system that does NOT have a fix syntax but rather > allows defining its syntax rules in e.g. YAML and thus being entirely > flexible? > [..] > It should have a proper user/groups system as well... > [..] > Why not give the wiki a web service API [..] G

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-06 Thread Steffen Schwigon
Ask Bjørn Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Woah, we are getting really far away from talking about perl6 > here... Kind of a usenet law or corollary? "Every discussion about wikis ends in a discussion about the best wiki syntax." Steffen -- Steffen Schwigon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dresden Perl M

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-06 Thread Udo Güngerich
Thomas Wittek wrote: >> Noone other than Mediawiki uses the Mediawiki syntax. I posit >> that the reason is that that syntax blows chunks. > > I have to agree. 'bold and italic' is definitely not what I > understand as an intuitive syntax. Hi everyone, I'd like to mention that the med

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-03 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen
Woah, we are getting really far away from talking about perl6 here... - ask

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-03 Thread Thomas Wittek
A. Pagaltzis schrieb: > * Thomas Wittek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-03 22:30]: >> Interestingly it is very similar to Markdown although I never >> heard about it before :) > > Hmm, it doesn’t look similar at all to me? Headers (Markdown): # This is an H1 ## This is an H2 ## This is an H6 He

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-03 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Thomas Wittek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-03 22:30]: > Interestingly it is very similar to Markdown although I never > heard about it before :) Hmm, it doesn’t look similar at all to me? Not even superficially similar, but most importantly, it looks line-based. Markdown is block-based. If you w

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-03 Thread Thomas Wittek
A. Pagaltzis schrieb: > * Amir E. Aharoni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-28 23:00]: >> The popularity of Wikipedia made Media-Wiki syntax the de-facto >> standard. It's not perfect, but please don't reinvent the wheel >> (even though it's a PHP wheel). > [..] > Noone other than Mediawiki uses the Med

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-01 Thread Andy_Bach
How about something a little less mercenary - a 1000$ donation to the Perl Foundation/Perl 6 development in the winner's name from Athena Labs? Might take out some of the difficulty and, who knows, get you a better wiki (you know, the less immediately reward driven programmer or something

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-01 Thread Fagyal Csongor
Hi, Hi Conrad, I run the grant committee for the Perl Foundation and I sit on the steering committee, so I suppose I can discuss your proposal (there are some other TPF folk here, too, so that's why this is a public email). Also, the following stuff is just off the top of my head and is in

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-01 Thread Ask Bjørn Hansen
On Jun 1, 2006, at 6:45, Ovid wrote: In any event, if you can come up with a solid set of contest rules, TPF can consider whether or not we can officially run the contest. It sounds like a nice idea, I just don't know what's involved. I wouldn't claim to entirely comprehend the rules, but

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-01 Thread Ovid
ions to the list. Web Programming with Perl -- http://users.easystreet.com/ovid/cgi_course/ - Original Message From: Conrad Schneiker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: perl6-users@perl.org Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2006 12:00:51 AM Subject: RE: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6 Doe

RE: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-06-01 Thread Conrad Schneiker
Does anyone out there have any phone numbers for key contacts at The Perl Foundation that you could send to me off-list? So far, I've not heard back from anyone there. TIA. Best regards, Conrad Schneiker http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6_Users_FAQ (Moved from AthenaLab to Perl 6 Wiki.) www.AthenaLa

RE: P6U FAQ on PerlNet (was Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6)

2006-05-29 Thread Conrad Schneiker
> From: Paul Fenwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 7:28 PM [...] Sorry for the delay in responding. Spent much of the day fighting windoze insanity. If not for a certain other $commitment, I probably be shopping for a Mac about now. :-) > Conrad Schneiker wrote: > > > I

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-29 Thread Juerd
Darren Duncan skribis 2006-05-28 14:37 (-0700): > For one thing, I'm assuming that a prize-qualifying solution won't be > able to link-in legacy Perl 5 modules using Pugs' "use perl5:Foo" > syntax; to do so would look bad if we are wanting to show off a Wiki > solution using the NEW technology.

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-29 Thread Juerd
Amir E. Aharoni skribis 2006-05-28 22:54 (+0200): > It's funny - i was the first one who proposed the wiki idea and i > didn't think that it will go so far (1000$$$). If you ask me, this > wiki should be done ASAP in Media-Wiki. Reusing current Perl wikis > (Australian, whatever) is even better

P6U FAQ on PerlNet (was Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6)

2006-05-28 Thread Paul Fenwick
G'day Conrad, Amir, and P6U, Conrad Schneiker wrote: > I certainly agree. However, someone has to take the initiative to actually > start using (http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6), and to post links back here > for others to follow up on. Will that person be you? :-) I'm all for using > that wiki to

RE: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-28 Thread Conrad Schneiker
> From: Darren Duncan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 2:38 PM [...] > For one thing, I'm assuming that a prize-qualifying solution won't be > able to link-in legacy Perl 5 modules using Pugs' "use perl5:Foo" > syntax; to do so would look bad if we are wanting to show off a Wi

RE: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-28 Thread Conrad Schneiker
> -Original Message- > From: Amir E. Aharoni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 1:54 PM [...] > It's funny - i was the first one who proposed the wiki idea and i > didn't think that it will go so far (1000$$$). If you ask me, this > wiki should be done ASAP in Media-

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-28 Thread Sebastian
> > Noone other than Mediawiki uses the Mediawiki syntax. I posit > that the reason is that that syntax blows chunks. Actually dokuwiki uses an almost the exact same syntax as mediawiki.. except they invert the headers (== foo == stuff). as for a perl6 wiki.. I agree that there are already many

RE: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-28 Thread Conrad Schneiker
> From: Juerd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 3:55 AM [...] > Conrad Schneiker skribis 2006-05-27 14:34 (-0700): > > So I'm offering to post a $1,000 prize (The AthenaLab "The 1st Extreme > > Leverage Prize" for Perl 6), to be awarded to the person that delivers > > the > > f

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-28 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Darren Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-28 23:40]: > For one thing, I'm assuming that a prize-qualifying solution > won't be able to link-in legacy Perl 5 modules using Pugs' "use > perl5:Foo" syntax; to do so would look bad if we are wanting to > show off a Wiki solution using the NEW technol

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-28 Thread Darren Duncan
I'm wondering about some implementation logistics. For one thing, I'm assuming that a prize-qualifying solution won't be able to link-in legacy Perl 5 modules using Pugs' "use perl5:Foo" syntax; to do so would look bad if we are wanting to show off a Wiki solution using the NEW technology. T

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-28 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Amir E. Aharoni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-28 23:00]: > The popularity of Wikipedia made Media-Wiki syntax the de-facto > standard. It's not perfect, but please don't reinvent the wheel > (even though it's a PHP wheel). I plead not guilty. Markdown is nothing new, and it has half a dozen impl

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-28 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Beep beep. I, for example, hate the verbosity of html, but i use it nevertheless. The popularity of Wikipedia made Media-Wiki syntax the de-facto standard. It's not perfect, but please don't reinvent the wheel (even though it's a PHP wheel). It's funny - i was the first one who proposed the wiki

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-28 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-28 19:35]: > - MediaWiki-compatible syntax I hate the Mediawiki syntax. Can we have something that understands blocks, like Markdown? Just add [[foo]] as intrawiki link syntax. > - Most \W characters can be safely used Yeah, that is true for Markdown. >

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-28 Thread Juerd
Conrad Schneiker skribis 2006-05-27 14:34 (-0700): > So I'm offering to post a $1,000 prize (The AthenaLab "The 1st Extreme > Leverage Prize" for Perl 6), to be awarded to the person that delivers the > first (Perl 6)**2 Wiki that meets some moderate specifications. Wow! Thanks for doing the worl

RE: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-28 Thread Conrad Schneiker
> From: Michael Mathews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 12:25 AM [...] > On 27/05/06, Conrad Schneiker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So I'm offering to post a $1,000 prize (The AthenaLab "The 1st Extreme > > Leverage Prize" for Perl 6), to be awarded to the person that deliv

Re: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-28 Thread Michael Mathews
On 27/05/06, Conrad Schneiker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So I'm offering to post a $1,000 prize (The AthenaLab "The 1st Extreme Leverage Prize" for Perl 6), to be awarded to the person that delivers the first (Perl 6)**2 Wiki that meets some moderate specifications. Now would that be New Zealan

RE: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6

2006-05-27 Thread Conrad Schneiker
Oops, I somehow overlooked including this intriguing item from an earlier post: > From: Ovid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On a related note, if anyone does want to build a P6 Wiki, you might > consider building it on top of WWW::Kontent > (http://search.cpan.org/dist/WWW-Kontent/), a Perl6 CMS (C