Special nickeled finish:
Edison nickeled all of the parts except the halfnut, main mandrel shaft
feedscrew, and backrod. From what my dimming eyes can see from the ad photos
on my
dying monitor, the machine appears to be correctly done. The Edison
trademark script plate looks correct. The
In a message dated 2/12/2009 5:30:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ret.army...@yahoo.com writes:
Is it possible that it really works? The seller says it does.
Bill
I would bet it works just fine. Orville White, a gifted machinist collector
in Portland, Oregon, once saw an ad in a local paper
and tone arm are from a US Banner phonograph which matches
the cabinet somewhat..probably the best part of the whole machine.
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Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Frankenphono on eBay
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The X used a modified Gem motor. The 2 do not interchange.
George
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From clockworkh...@aol.com Thu Jan 1 03:53:38 2009
From: clockworkh...@aol.com (clockworkh...@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 1 03:59:02 2009
Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick Panatrope Value? Rarity? Interest?
Message-ID: bc9.42ef90cb.368e0...@aol.com
Anyone care to comment on how rare
This is only the projecting head missing parts. The Edison Kinetoscope came
in a protective carrying case that folds open and bolts down onto the
lamphouse board. The hand-cranked machine was part of a traveling tent show
cinema
outfit. One reason they don't show up with great regularity is
I hope the list can provide Mike Tucker with the information he needs.
He sent me some photos of reproduction M electric motors that look perfect in
every detail. He has an extra one for sale and I would endorse it for anyone
missing the original motor. Once installed I doubt you could
My 1As and 1B has the urn in the lower half as is seen on the Edison
catalogues of the era. The catalogues I have for each year do not show the urn
on top
upside down in any depiction.
Al
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YES ! ! !
I actually will bid way higher with a seller using PayPal and I have gotten
some phonographic bargains from sellers who demanded only money orders. Once
the ease and security change your mindset you cannot go back to the old system
relying on snail mail to deliver payment. I like
Adding a description that sounds good makes even a dodgy item seem great.
The last few Edison Talking Dolls on eBay have had the wrong heads,
reproduction
mechanisms, and newly made clothes but all went high with glowing
descriptions. Likewise a poor fellow sometime back bought an early
IMHO - My vote would be NO, NO, and NO.
The effective pressure a stylus exerts on the record is a function of contact
area. When a record has the correct diameter stylus riding in the groove the
weight is distributed evenly across the total contact. To put a 4 minute
stylus in the middle of
In a message dated 9/2/2008 10:08:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
andy at popyrus.com writes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170257543430ssPageName=ADM
E:B:SS:US:1123
THAT very same machine was in an oak cabinet with a reproduction 14 witch's
hat horn just over a month ago
Thanks Bill, just another case of senility setting in. I think one thing and
type another. I appreciate the correction.
Al
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With a 22.5% buyers premium you would think they would have researched their
machines better and accurate descriptions.
There were 10 Edison Reproducers... but what were they? Just a quick
note on each of the Edisons and the Columbia would really have helped to arrive
at a bid figure. So,
One should always arm themselves with knowledge before bidding on any auction
item in any auction. e.g. The M electric has the topworks from a Model A
Triumph where some mechanic has fashioned two idler pulleys attached to the
mandrel bearing support but is missing the two pulley stanchions
Edison Kinetoscopes vary widely in value depending on what they are. Edison
Home Kinetoscopes complete with reels, arc lamp ballast, and carrying case
will command a price up to $2,000. It will go higher if any of the special
film
is with it as it will not run 35mm standard motion picture
Yes, originality is the desired goal and is getting more difficult to find as
time goes by. I feel sorry for the newbies entering the hobby today who
strive for this. Just this month on eBay was a never been played brown wax
record in a ratty Gold Molded box and an Edison Electric Phonograph
I suspect the reproducer you describe is a Standard Speaker. Turn it over
and look at the stylus bar. If it has both a cutting stylus and a
hemispherical
playback stylus then it is a Standard Speaker. The Standard Speaker was not
labeled with Reproducer or Recorder because it was both.
Sorry list, I thought I was sending that off list.
Errata:on the comment of the later motor being passed of for a true
spring motor a cylindrical weight should say cylindrical weights governor.
May all your finds be rare ones,
Al
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Ideally you would want a brass body K that has not been previously worked on.
Usually all they need is to have new gaskets put in properly under correct
compression, the copper diaphragm cleaned (and lacquered with instrument
lacquer), and the styli turned if needed. The two minute stylus is
These advertisements were added both without my knowledge or permission and I
do *not* have a free account. I pay for my AOL services and this angers me
greatly. I will look into having ads removed from my missives but don't expect
much from AOL. AOL is not responsive to customers needs.
Unfortunately that collection has left my local area in bits and pieces so I
cannot go back to take the measurements. However, the footprint dimensions
should be identical to the B-80 and you can judge the height by measuring the
width and height of the machine in the photo for an idea of
Greetings Andy:
When George Frow and I did the first book in 1976 printing costs were so high
that much was left out and a great many expensive photos were eliminated.
Such was the more fine dating of early models. Luckily we now have the
Internet
with the ability to share information
I thought for sure someone would post this rare find from eBay. It was a
recording blank in a ratty box with an opening bid of $325. The punch line was
that the cylinder was broken but ALL the pieces were there.
eBay #280199948193
Best Wishes to All,
Al
Who thought a 'recording blank'
There is no doubt the case was refinished. Had the machine been equipped
with a 24 minute gear then I would have said the large diameter reproducer
carriage could have been contemporaneous to the period. But, with no speed
change
gearing this must have been done when the machine was
Ray is correct. That would be a Model B at that serial number with the
endgate. I believe the Model C machines in the Triumphs were an extremely
short run
of less than 1000 produced so the number of Model C Idelias can only be a
few. My Model C Triumph is 74157C and I have never seen
Yes, I too had to reset my password last November. My password was in no way
related to my email address. eBay was most mysterious about this and gave no
cogent explaination. I used the very same password I have always had and it
was not kicked out. I would hazard a guess that they brought
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From clockworkh...@aol.com Tue Feb 5 16:26:06 2008
From: clockworkh...@aol.com (clockworkh...@aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb 5 16:32:16 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Triumph F
Message-ID: cb0.232548d0.34da5...@aol.com
Greetings Stephen
It would help to know which model Idelia it is? Endgate? Serial number?
Model stamped on the patent plate starting with the C then D, D2, E?
Thanks,
Al
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was not drilled for a cygnet horn. So it would seem
that it was shipped with a straight horn, which I agree does seem odd for a
Model D2.
Ray
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:40 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Idelia on eBay
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 5:35 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison triumph with totally different upper bedplate
This builder was very smart. Since he could
In a message dated 11/14/2007 6:01:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,
esrobe...@hotmail.com writes:
Indeed. I have been that mechanic. I still think it's a pretty decent job
this person did, even if the materials weren't ideal. I wonder if it runs
anywhere near the right speed.
The Edison
Dear Al:
Thank you! So your serial is 383521 which is in itself interesting. That is
roughly 10,000 below the first Model E Home I have recorded which was 393221.
Could that second number, the 8, be an 9?
While Steve keeps track of Edison reproducers, I like to follow the Edison
, I checked again with
a magnifier the nine is really a three. Al
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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:00 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Re:: Edison Home E on eBay w/ impossible serial number
Dear Al:
Thanks for your
.
Great Lakes Antique Phonographs
George Vollema
231-652-5753
www.victroladoctor.com
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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:50 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Seeking Source Edison Reproducer Reproduction Parts...
I would
clockworkh...@aol.com wrote:
Thank you all for the suggestions. I am trying to find parts that look
original and that I would not have to make myself. I will contact the various
sources. Closest to me is Wyatt's Musical Americana so I may just make an
appointment to drive up and see his product
Greetings Learned Listers:
Does anyone know who Clockmaker720 is on eBay. eBay would not let me send
him or her a message. All I wanted to do was to ask about the various thread
ptiches and diameters used on Edison reproducers. I have always felt they were
American Standard Clockthread and
a flattened fishtail weight, entire reproducer is
oxidized finish. No V-guide or swivel for stylus, no spring loading of
stylus. Diaphragm is copper with concentric rings. S/N 1012. This
reproducer is mounted on my Amberola IA, S/N 2. All the best, John
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Greetings Ani:
Always ask the serial of any Edison item. I ask the serial of the reproducer
to see if it is all original. Many of the O potmetal tops have been replaced
by reproductions with no serial on them. When an eBay seller says brass top
O and answers that there is no serial showing
. There are no more posts showing on the
site. I was wondering the same thing.
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Review Coordinator for Champagne Books
Head Reader for Champagne Books
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Sent: Sunday, July 22
Yes, that was the very rare West Point Horn. Only a few examples exist. The
one I had came with a very late Fireside B which included the documentation
shown in the Frow-Sefl book on page 155.
Best Wishes to All,
Al
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The most problematical part was the cast iron base. A cast iron foundry in
San Francisco charged me all of $16 for each of 4 castings made from my
pattern. I kept one, Art Wilmoth took the other three, one for himself and two
for
friends. Art did the lathe work on his three and I did mine.
In a message dated 5/17/2007 4:13:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
mgrazia...@o-lite.com writes:
You should take a photo with today's paper in the background and email it to
him.
Mike
Hi Mike:
Many many years ago I vowed never to attempt to disswade people of their
preset ideas that their
2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Why hasn't anyone bid?
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Message-ID: 0e7601c798d8$6841d050$6600a...@archimedes
Al,
You should take a photo with today's paper in the background and email it to
him.
Mike
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I have bought two of the later cylinder versions from this seller. I love
them and will likely buy more as gifts. The down side is that the seller
sends them out airmail from Japan so the price of the machine is about double
the
eBay purchase price. The older wood frame version of the
Hi Steve:
I have an early recorder with a serial number just over 91,000. It is my
opinion that since Edison never threw anything out the earlier Standard
Speaker
bodies were simply adapted to become the recorders and the Automatics. The
arm was then labeled RECORDER or REPRODUCER and
I just revisited the eBay listing and have noticed the low serial number and
lack of lettering on the body parts. This is an earlier Standard Speaker
that has been modified. I see also that the lister has been alerted and
edited
the listing. So, it is rare but incomplete. I don't know
Am I the only one surprised at how low the rare Edison Eclipse type motor is
going for on eBay?
A
HREF=http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2198515601category=1442;eBay
item 2198515601 (Ends Oct-29-03 20:00:00 PST) - Early Edison Phonograph
Mo/A
It sat at $150 for some time and
Toward the end of the Gem line (Model E) it was planned for a Diamond B to
be fitted to the Gem with a 45? elbow but these were not successful. The
weight of the Diamond B created too much friction for the little under powered
Gem spring motor. Instead the 45? large carriage and the Model
Greetings Steve:
The Alva was made using a 2 minute Triumph B topworks with endgate, a 2-4
minute Triumph D topworks without the endgate, and the 2-4 Triumph E topworks
with the large horizontal carriage and deluxe O Reproducer done in brass or
iron with a brass top not made of potmetal.
If anyone wants to see one of the 2 piece Fireside Horns made by Karl
Frick, there is one right now on eBay.
_eBay item 6515211371 (Ends Mar-05-05 20:05:47 PST) - Oak Edison Fireside
Phono_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=38029item=6515211371rd=1ssPageName=WDVW)
Greetings Keith:
There have been over 30 Fireside Edison machines on eBay during the last
year. The prices ranged from $130 for a machine missing the horn and the
desirable 2-4 minute K Reproducer to $1,376 for a machine fitted with a 10
panel
Cygnet Horn but with a 4 minute only H
Greetings John:
At last look eBay had 2 Diamond B Reproducers for auction.
Regards,
Al
Who once thought a reproducer was another name for a rabbit...
Hi Scott:
I am not familiar with the differences between a Bungalow model and the
Chalet.
This is the one with the little breadbox horn with a belt driven turntable,
right?
I know of someone who has one and is not totally attached to it. These also
show up on eBay with some bit of
I would refuse to do any business with someone who parts out a perfectly
good machine. This is how you get conglomeration machines that have no
authenticity. Here in California we had a guy name Neuman Miller who billed
himself
as the Edison Wrecking Yard. He would sell you a machine
In a message dated 2/18/2005 7:33:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
john9...@pacbell.net writes:
You think that's dubious? Anyone remember Bob Fulwider? Talk about a
crook...he and his wife owned Wyatt's Musical Americana before Wyatt bought
it.
He got my Edison H Coinop and my Edison
Dear List:
I just got back in town so missed the opening comments on the ALVA
currently on eBay.
It is an Edison coin op works and NOT an original ALVA. The cabinet is
newly made and had to be to take the coin op works which used the larger C
frame motor. The B Alva had the raised
In a message dated 4/1/2005 1:58:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lhera...@bu.edu writes:
Maybe he would agree to making an impression so another could be cast?
Ron L
I need 4 such keys for my 3 IAs and IB. I would gladly pay for a copy if
they are made.
Thanks,
Al
If I had an Amberola 30 that was not tracking, I would:
1) Remove the reproducer from the carriage and disconnect it from the horn.
2) Run the machine with the carriage all the way to the left side and see
that it tracks fully to the right side. Lubricate all sliding surfaces with a
drop
In a message dated 4/6/2005 4:46:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
diamondisk...@aol.com writes:
I use clock oil for this. Is that an acceptable substance?
Randy
Greetings Randy:
Yes, clock oil is excellent. 3 in 1 is a paraffin based oil that actually
can harden into super glue with
In a message dated 4/7/2005 2:07:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
maxbu...@sigecom.net writes:
Edmund Optics has them. www.edmundoptics.com
Pocket microcsopes...25X and 50X...about 18.00 plus shipping.
These are nice quality and should last a lifetime.
Bruce
That is exactly where I got
According to the Frow/Sefl book the early caseless Gem used the hollow key
with a slot that engaged a pin on the winding shaft of the mainspring.
BTW - does anyone have a spare oil pan bottom or start-stop governor speed
arm (L shaped friction pad holder)?
Best wishes to all,
Al
Hello Eric:
The trowel weight N was used on the Amberola V and VI with the number 56
usually stamped on the weight but there are examples without the 56. The N
56
in the Frow/Sefl book and the Frow Companion is my reproducer but I do have
others that leave off both the number and the V
Eric:
Did you get the spring that goes between the copper diaphragm and the
stylus-bar? It is critical for decent operation and lessens damage to the
black wax
Amberols. I just noticed that I did not see one as I looked today at the
pictures you posted. For some unknown reason I could not
Thanks Randy. I have two Model C Business Phonographs, one electric and one
spring motor. Luckily only one had the expanded potmetal sleeve bearings on
the mandrel. BTW - I can provide photos of the near mint machines if
restoration-1 needs a guide on the gold decorations.
Have fun at Union
By all means get the word out that such a nice condition rare machine is up
for eBay auction. I have purchased a number of items that were mentioned on
Phono-L when I have missed them on the eBay search. Posting on Phono-L has the
added advantage of getting to some very serious collectors
Did you rebuild the S on your F?
Steve
Yes, I turn and polish the sapphire points as well as service the copper
diaphragm. I always remove the copper diaphragms then clean and polish them
before applying a clear coat of instrument lacquer. The correct pressure on
the
gasket retainer is the
Greetings Brice:
I am sorry to hear that you are forced to part with your Edison School Model.
I hope you get a good price for it. The reason I am writing is to see if
you would post the serial numbers you have. I am not interested in who owns
them so they could remain anonymous. My
Greetings Jerry:
I hope all is well with you.
The Gem D's seem to range roughly from #315000 to #357000. Confusion arises
with the fact that Gem C's range roughly from #295000 to #35 because
these machines continued to be made for ICS while the D's were being made.
Toward the end,
Greetings Richard:
Your Edison Standard is a Model B based on your serial number. The speed
control was moved underneath the bedplate and is a thumbscrew on the motor
frame that moves an arm with the governor pads on it.
The horn was an after market product since Edison provided the
An old trick for softening the rubber idler wheel found on those electric
record players of the 1950's is to soak the rubber wheel in transmission
treatment that is used to make old transmission seals soften up. Some brake
fluids
will also work.
If the wheel is really rock hard there is
Once upon a time there was a phonograph parts dealer named Karl Frick in
Santa Barbara who was less than accurate in his reproduction parts. In fact
the phonograph collectors of the 1960's era called all his products Frick's
Freaks. He would take old peach cans, cut them up, solder them
Hello Rene:
I know somewhere I have a copy of his catalogue also.
The worst offense Karl did was to offer Dual Speed Stylii for use with
both 2 and 4 minute cylinders. He would remove your original stylus and bar
then install a bar taken from an Edison business machine reproducer. Your
What worries me is that someone has already made reproduction Idelias from
Triumphs. One large clue was the HOB or highlighted oxidized bronze finish
pattern not being original and not being done well. Another was that the
cabinet was luan and not true mahogany. An up close inspection is
You had better ignore the serial numbers on the branded case Gem and the
maroon Gem! They cannot be correct. Gem #269465 is a Model B Gem since
branded
case Model A Gems have serial numbers below #37000. The maroon Gem with a
serial of #527435 does not exist. Edison only made roughly
Hi Randy:
The eBay listing has Edison Home works fitted to an aftermarket cabinet.
The original cabinet for this machine would have been a Suitcase Home pre-1901
New Style Cabinet. It has been modified for 2 and 4 minute operation and
the horn looks like a reproduction. Several makers
This eBay item looks interesting. Is it for a Victor machine? One of these
days I will have to broaden my education beyond just Edison! ;-)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250062457447
Best Wishes to Everyone,
Al
Unfortunately some people don't know what an Edison Automatic is. There is
a put together recorder thing currently on eBay advertised as an Automatic.
It has the recorder weight, a copper diaphragm, and an arm that had the
word RECORDER buffed out. One might almost think there was some
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