Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Triode's plugins
mrw wrote: > I have the same/similar question. > > I'm sure it used to report better, X years ago. But my memory may be > faulty. Have you tried it with ethernet cable ? > > If it really was better, then I speculate that the Wifi card might be a > bit short of power - failing power supply capacitor ? it is fine with ethernet. Interesting what you say about the wifi card and power. I have another SB3 which gives similar network results, but which rebuffers every 20 minutes or so. This SB3 at least doesn't rebuffer, but it's why I started looking into it. And I had a world of pain problem solving some general unreliability problems recently (on Ethernet) which turned out to be a dodgy PSU! SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105599 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Triode's plugins
Does anyone know about Triode's Network Test plugin? My SB3 is connected to LMS 8.3.0 on a Pi4 via WiFi. The Wifi is very good but the SB3 seems to think it is rubbish! 500kbps 100 100 1000kbs 68 75 2000kbs 33 60 I hvave no idea what these numbers mean to be honest. If I place my phone right next to the SB3 I get 70mb/s download and 19mb/s upload which is the limit of my fibre connection. Why is the SB3 so bad? SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105599 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezelite -a ::: - can anyone explain this option?
bpa wrote: > my basic understanding. > > PCM Audio is sent via ALSA interface to ALSA device driver. > > Audio samples are put into a ring buffer. > The ring buffer size is controlled by the buffer parameter. > The ring buffer is processed in terms of periods (i.e there x periods in > the whole buffer). > A period the number of frames per h/w interrupts (edit: corrected from > first post) > I don't know how samples are fitted into frames. > > The audio samples can either be copied into buffer using API Read/write > or the buffer can be memory mapped into calling process memory so no > additional copying of audio data. > > These are all hardware paramaters and so valid values are dependent on > the audio device. > > edit: > > Found an explanation of frames and periods. > > > https://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/FramesPeriods > > edit 2: > > Working link to writing-an-alsa-driver.pdf > https://www.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/theses/kurtisi/NMP-EmbeddedClient/Abgabe/Quellen/writing-an-alsa-driver.pdf That's great and it makes a lot more sense now. Thanks very much! SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114868 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezelite -a ::: - can anyone explain this option?
Hi - running SqueezeLite and LMS 8.1.2 (latest versions) on my Pi4 I found there was serious rebuffering on my Pi and SB3s earlier this year when playing FLACs unless I specified "-a :::0". More recently I noticed some background/popping noise on the Pi's headphone jack unless I specified "-a 120:4::0". The wiki says the following about the -a option: "-a ::: Specify ALSA params to open output device, b = buffer time in ms or size in bytes, p = period count or size in bytes, f sample format (16|24|24_3|32), m = use mmap (0|1) https://www.max2play.com/en/wiki/command-line-options-for-squeezelite/ Frankly I have no idea what this means! - which buffer is affected and how do I know if the specified numbers are in ms or bytes? - what is "period count" - which sample format? Surely the FLAC is what it is? - what is mmap? Any insights, or just a reference page, would be much appreciated so I can understand more as to what is going on. R SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114868 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] problem with popping sounds in squeezelite
Squeezelite working perfectly now with -a 120:4::0 I may post new thread to try and get a better understanding of this -a option Thank you very much for your help!! SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112503 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] problem with popping sounds in squeezelite
It's not as I expected. If I use /etc/init.d/squeezelite stop/start, it doesn't seem to pick up the parameters from /etc/default/squeezelite, it still takes the params from ExecStart in /etc/systemd/system/squeezelite.service. If I change the ExecStart line then on re-starting squeezelite I get a warning to run "systemctl daemon-reload" whatever that is. I do that, start squeezelite, and it picks up the new ExecStart parameters. So it seems to me with my setup which auto starts squeezelite at bootup, the settings in /etc/default/squeezelite are irrelevant. SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112503 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] problem with popping sounds in squeezelite
That's very helpful. So presumably if I update /etc/default/squeezelite with the -a 120:4::0, the soundcard, -C 5 etc., then I can change the auto start line in squeezelite.service simply to "ExecStart=/usr/bin/squeezelite"? But will /etc/default/squeezelite get overwritten every time I update squeezelite? Presumbaly not ... SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112503 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] problem with popping sounds in squeezelite
My boot.txt is all HDMI stuff apart from "dtparam=audio=on" which looks pretty unexciting. I had tried the -a 120:4::0 suggested at the top of this thread which seems to work. I am just trying to understand what these numbers mean. I think I'll post a new more specific thread. I have also tried your recent "-o sysdefault:CARD=Headphones" suggestion which doesn't seem to have worked either. ExecStart=/usr/bin/squeezelite -o sysdefault:CARD=Headphones -n Pi_SqueezeliteService -C 5 -a :::0 On another note, every time I make a change I reboot the Pi to be sure it takes effect. Is there an easier way to stop/start squeezelite with the new options in squeezelite.service? I'm very new to Linux! It seems I should stick these options in /etc/default/squeezelite and simplify the ExecStart line? I was a complete techie 30 years ago - haven't got a clue now!! So thank you for the help!! SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112503 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] problem with popping sounds in squeezelite
Yep - I already have that: ExecStart=/usr/bin/squeezelite -o plughw:CARD=Headphones,DEV=0 -n Pi_SqueezeliteService -C 5 -a :::0 I added the -a :::0 in January after a system update caused a lot of very significant rebuffering. No idea what the option does! This "popping" noise is fairly recent. It's hard to tell as it is quite faint, but it may be syncing/rebuffering type effect. SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112503 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] problem with popping sounds in squeezelite
I found a 3.0A PSU, used a smaller fatter USB cable, and set -a :::0. I also put a power meter on the PSU, which drew a peak of 1.4A during boot up, and then ticked along at c1.2A. Amazingly removing the 2nd USB stick dropped the power consumption by 0.2A to 1.0A. Unfortunately the popping is still there. It often seems to take a few minutes before it starts, or at least becomes audible. I have never heard it from the SB3s. Id still be interested as per my OP as to what the -a options actually do, as it did seem to fix the problem. Regarding EAC it is an excellent ripper. I never got any clicks or anything, which was initially a problem when I ripped my CD collection 20 odd years ago. It also has AccurateRip where it does some sort of CRC against a database of other peoples rips to make sure your rip is bang on. Yes it can add .cue files, although I never do that. SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112503 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] problem with popping sounds in squeezelite
Man in a van wrote: > @rbl > > What sort of flacs ? How were they ripped? > > > Where are they stored ? > > > How did you install squeezelite ? > > > Buster Desktop or Lite ? > > > Which power supply for the rpi ? > > > When does the popping occur, how often, has it always been present or is > it recent ? > > Anything in the logs ? (server and maybe scanner) > > ronnie - the FLACs were ripped from CDs using Exact Audio Copy - they are stored on a 256GB USB 3.0 stick stuck in the side of the Pi4 - I downloaded the latest armhf from https://sourceforge.net/projects/lmsclients/files/squeezelite/linux/ . Unzip it, and then "sudo mv squeezelite /usr/bin/squeezelite". I have checked it is the latest version running. - Buster desktop - using a Samsung USB charger rated at 2.0A output. The Pi4 is doing nothing else, it just sits there running LMS/Squeezelite. - the popping seems to come and go, but when it occurs it is a very soft popping, random, but about once a second. It is not very noticeable - I can't see anything that looks interesting in the server log. The scanner log is empty, perhaps as I upgraded LMS from the April version today but didn't rescan the library (doing that now). On the topic of PSU, I put another USB stick in the Pi a month ago or so. Is it possible that tipped it over the edge? Not sure when the problem started as I usually only listen to radio on the Pi4. But the popping noise has never happened on the SB3s (even when sync'd to the Pi). SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112503 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] problem with popping sounds in squeezelite
ralphy wrote: > I would recommend using -o hw:CARD=D10,DEV=0 for the output device. > > If you are using the USB interface to the DAC try -a 120:4::0 > > If you still experience pops/clicks then try -a 16384:4096 I have been getting popping noises on my Pi4 headphone output when playing FLACs (not radio). To stop the popping I have tried both "-a 120:4::0" and "-a 16384:4096::0" and both seem to work! A while ago I had problems with the sound breaking up and I added "-a :::0" which fixed it. But can anyone explain what this actually is doing? The Wiki says: -a :::Specify ALSA params to open output device, b = buffer time in ms or size in bytes, p = period count or size in bytes, f sample format (16|24|24_3|32), m = use mmap (0|1) Frankly I have no idea what this means, which buffer, whether the specified numbers are in ms or bytes, what period, what is mmap, and will there be a delay on the audio output as a result!? And more importantly why do I need to specify this on my system which couldn't be simpler, or Is there something more sinister going on? Surely defaults should work on a simple system? - Pi4 - Raspbian 10 (Buster) - ExecStart=/usr/bin/squeezelite -o plughw:CARD=Headphones,DEV=0 -n Pi_SqueezeliteService -C 5 -a 120:4::0 - LMS 8.1.2 - 1624550702 @ Thu Jun 24, 2021 - Squeezelite v1.9.9-1386 - Also 2 other SB3s, but these were unsync'd during testing. Any help/insight much appreciated! SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112503 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezelite on rPi 3 suddenly not working
Upgrading to LMS 8.1.2 and SqueezeLite 1.9.9 seems to have done the trick ... thanks very much. SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113867 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezelite on rPi 3 suddenly not working
Man in a van wrote: > Why such an old version of LMS ? > > And is your squeezelite up to date? > > ronnie Good thinking. Should I upgrade to LMS 7.9.4? Or 8.? ? I guess 8.? is still experimental so 7.9.4 is probably better? I was running SqueezeLite 1.8 on the Pi4 so have upgraded 1.9.9 SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113867 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Squeezelite on rPi 3 suddenly not working
I have also added -a :::0 after getting a lot of re-buffering after an update a month or two ago. But I still get occasional re-buffering. It works 100% perfectly on streaming radio, but when playing my FLACs every so often it locks up for about 30s, and eventually gets going again. This happens infrequently (every day or two) - everything is Ethernet wired - LMS 7.9.2 - 1578996832 on Pi4 - 4GB - 2 x SB3s, SqueezeLite on Pi4, SqueezeLite on a Windows 10 PC (purely to get Pay/Pause keys to work) - all players sync'd - Music via Pi's headphone output - 230GB FLAC library on USB stick in Pi ExecStart=/usr/bin/squeezelite -o plughw:CARD=Headphones,DEV=0 -n Pi_SqueezeliteService -C 5 -a :::0 Everything worked 100% perfectly until I did a full-upgrade on the Pi a couple of months ago. Any ideas? SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113867 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer skip forward/backwards doesn't work
bpa wrote: > > 1 min skip back is not worthwhile doing - the plugin thinks less than 1 > mins or less is just a delay by BBC. This was done because timestamp of > audio packet being played can be delayed by BBC. Skip back works on > actual time not relative time as packets in stream are timestamped. > Plugin has to specify timepoint where to restart audio playback but > which due to buffering and network may not be what is being played on > LMS players when skip back was requested. > > Change skip back to say 5 mins and then skip forward to 30 secs or 1 > min. It is easier to overshoot backward and then edge up forwards. Great - this seems to work. Like you say, Skip to the Start is probably the most useful feature which I hadn't even realised existed! Thanks very much for your help SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113207 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer skip forward/backwards doesn't work
bpa wrote: > On Classical GUI It is the M menu on the Right Hand pane beside the > playing item > On material - click triple dots on RHS and then choose More > > > It should skip more than once. > On "Live " you can skip back usually up to about 3 hours. Most typical > use is to "skip back to start of program" - which for a Radio 3 concert > can be about 3 hours. I found the "M" thanks - never noticed it before. Using Squeezer on Android which is a bit easier, skip back still doesn't seem to go back more than once (nor on IE). Frankly I am not quite sure what it does after the first skip back. However the "Skip back to start" does work as expected! I have now set skip back/forwards to 2 / 1 mins respectively. If I go to the beginning of the program, then skipping forwards seems to jump either 2 or 3 mins (rarely 1 minute as expected), but at least it does work. Skipping back seems a bit random, not sure what it is doing or even that the time delay indicator is correct. Sometimes it seems to skip back as expected, sometimes it seems to actually go skip forwards! SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113207 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer skip forward/backwards doesn't work
bpa wrote: > >> & << are not used for ffwd / rew live streams. > > Skip forward & back of a live stream is only supported for DASH. > After I had implemented ffw & rew of a live stream, I trialled had a > version of the plugin which used >> & << to do the action. > However user feedback was that it was confusing as >> & << buttons were > used for other LMS function which couldn't be reconciled - so skip > forward & back was put back into context menu. > > edit: > > Currently >> & << move within the playlist of playable live stream URL - > so you will be toggling between DASH, HLS and MP3 live streams. To > account for the 1 sec difference. There is a time delay to starting a > stream and there is a difference in the timebase between the different > formats. So is there a way to get the "context menu" on my Windows IE browser that I use to control LMS on my PC? Right clicking just brings up IE's context menu. Or am I a bit out of date using IE!? I can get Skip back to work on Squeezer on my Android devices, although it seems it will only skip back once. So as I currently have the skip back time set to 1 minute, I can go a maximum of 1 minute back. Is that right? SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113207 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer skip forward/backwards doesn't work
I'm running iPlayer 1.6.9 on a Raspberry Pi4 running LMS 7.9.2 - 1578996832. If, listening to say BBC Radio 4 live, I press << it just goes back about 1 second, and >> goes forward about 1 second (I think) . On listen again, clicking on the progress bar works as expected, but << and >> is similar to the above. iPlayer Settings: - DASH->HLS->MP3->FlashAAC - Use highest bitrate - Minutes to skip: 1 minute - allow transcoding: enabled - show OnAir Text: enabled - Live text: Bottom line - Seconds to delay start live stream: 5s - buffer fullness: 255 I have three wired SB3s. Any ideas? I don't think this has ever worked in the many years that I have used iPlayer. SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio LMS on Raspbian on a Pi4 Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 707 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113207 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer - Radio 4 FM not showing icon or metadata
bpa wrote: > Everything looks mostly as expected. > Using the "always display station icon" is not what is used by mist > people but it works OK when I've tried. > > The audio format setting are very old. BBC have not had FlashAAC > FlashMP3 content for a 3-4 years now - for best ongoing playback, I > suggest change both Live and On demand stream preferences to > DASH > HLS > MP3 > FlashAAC. > > The logo for R4 icon comes from the site below - when used in a browser > can you see the logos in all resolutions. > https://www.radiodns.uk/services/dab/ce1/ce15/c224/0 > > edit: > > By any chance did you update the menu.opml file or accidentally click on > the button relating to the menu customisation in the BBCiPlayer Settings > ? Actually turning off "always display station icon" makes it work. It's a more relevant icon too - I had never tried that before. Thanks for the tip on the stream preferences, those seem to work well too. Frankly I wouldn't now how to update "menu.opml", and I can't see any menu customisation in iPlayer settings. Well it all seems to be working now, thank you very much! SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 99 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112093 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer - Radio 4 FM not showing icon or metadata
bpa wrote: > It should display as it is the same code as all the other BBC stations > and they work OK for me so there is no apparent BBC issue (although BBC > CDN network is distributed regionally so it is possible to have an issue > in one region). > > More info may help - if you want to try something, could reboot system > and delete LMS cache.db before LMS starts > > 1. Possibly cache issue - what UI are you using ? Web (Classic, > Material), Touch, Jivelite etc. > 2. image URLs are usually https, what OS, what version of LMS and what > version of IO::Socket::SSL > 3. What are the BBCiPlayer settings Hmm .. the radio programme info is now coming through, but the icon is still not. I have no idea what changed, or maybe I just got it wrong, in which case apologies. Frankly this is good enough as I am not bothered about the icon and it's not worth spending much time on just the icon. Nevertheless I attach all the info you requested .. - I deleted cache.db (cd /var/lib/squeezeboxerver/cache , sudo rm cache.db , reboot) - The icon problem occurs with quite a few listen live stations (4 LW, C Beebies, World Service, Scotland, Scotland MW, Wales) - most of which I have never used before. - Same with Chrome / IE from Laptop / Desktop on Win 10 Pro, Chrome on the Raspberry server, or Squeezer on Android tablet/phone. All behave the same. - tried setting interface to Classic & Default - no change - LMS v 7.9.2 - 1578996832 @ Tue Jan 14 12:17:56 CET 2020 - Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8 - Platform Architecture: armv7l-linux - Perl Version: 5.28.1 - arm-linux-gnueabihf-thread-multi-64int - Audio::Scan: 1.02 - IO::Socket::SSL: 2.060 - Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.58 (sqlite 3.22.0) 30198 +---+ |Filename: LMS settings.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30199| +---+ SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 99 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112093 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer - Radio 4 FM not showing icon or metadata
Hi When using the iPlayer plugin for live or On Demand streaming, the BBC icon appears together with the metadata as expected. However in the case of live streaming BBC Radio 4 FM neither the icon nor the metadata appear for. BBC 4 FM On Demand works as expected, as do other channels such as BBC 4 Extra etc. I am accessing all programs from the BBC iPlayer menu item. I am running iPlayer v1.6.8 on a Raspberry Pi. Any ideas why BBC4 isn't working whereas all the other stations are? SB3 -> Quad 909 -> Quad Electrostatic speakers, Quad 405 -> TBI subwoofer 3 x SB3s + SB Radio Rotel RSP1068 surround processor, Quad 99 -> B surround rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112093 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] LMS BBC iPlayer radio not working with VPN on Windows 10 in London
bpa wrote: > You haven't answered my questionb aboitu UK .non Uk. > > 1. All the metadata stuff is generic - it can be obtained no matter > where you are or what access is used. It doesn't really come from the > streaming part of their systems. > 2 If plugin is trying to the playing UK only station menu and you have > a VPN for non UK - you'll have problems. > 3. BBC ( actually their CDNs such as akamai or limelight ) play > whackamole with non UK access trying to access UK via VPNs. > 4. Can you play BBC live/listen again radio stream via a browser ? on > ordinary PC ? on LMS server ? > 5. Can you play UK only BBC Podcast from any device through your VPN ? > > > So unless you make clear what your setyup is (i.e. is it a VPN service > or a provate personal/corporate VPN, what is the VPN doing with normal > internet, is it a real VPN or just a smart DNS - it is hard to give any > hard advice. Apologies for not being clear, and your comments have definitely helped me trouble shoot this a bit - this is a home Win 10 Pro 64 bit PC with a standard off the shelf VPN - Cyberghost (I have also used IPVanish with similar problems) - I tried the following two URLs in VLC. VLC also works only when the VLC is disconnected - http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_two.m3u8 - http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/dash/uk/dash_full/ak/bbc_radio_two.mpd - I spoke to the VPN provider and they say URLs provided as exceptions to be bypassed by the VPN only work with web browsers, and not other apps, so there we have the problem. - I am in the UK, and I'm using a UK VPN. The VPN is meant to get around BBC iPlayer by playing whackamole, but that doesn't seem to work for this. - I guess I just have to find a cleverer VPN that has split tunneling whereby you can exclude apps from the VPN, but I can't find one that does that with Windows, only Android. If anyone knows of one, or just one that works with LMS and i Player then I'd love to know but that is probably for a different thread/forum. Thanks very much for your help rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111282 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] LMS BBC iPlayer radio not working with VPN on Windows 10 in London
castalla wrote: > FAIK the Beeb actively blocks 'known' commercial VPNs - maybe that's the > issue? You are right, it does, certainly for TV anyway. Hence I am adding the exceptions in my original post so the iPlayer radio should be bypassing the VPN (plus I am using a BBC "compliant" VPN too). The trouble is I can't work and listen to the radio at the same time! Am I setting the right URLs as exceptions? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111282 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] LMS BBC iPlayer radio not working with VPN on Windows 10 in London
bpa wrote: > What is the VPN doing ? making a UK user appear in a non UK country ? If I click say Radio 2 when the VPN is connected, then the Radio 2 Icon appears, besides which it says - Jeremy Vine (i.e. name of the current radio show) - 29/11/2019 - BBC Radio 2 - 320kbps, VBR, AAC LC But it never actually starts playing and the timer stays stuck at 0:00. I have no idea why it is messing up iPlayer radio stations. I have tried setting it to a UK IP address, an IP address that is meant to work with BBC iPlayer, and making the URL exceptions in my previous post, none of which work. But other non iPlayer radio stations do work. I had exactly the same problem with a different VPN (IPVanish) which never worked. I thought with the new VPN, and setting the exceptions, maybe it would work. Sadly life isn't so simple!! rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111282 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] LMS BBC iPlayer radio not working with VPN on Windows 10 in London
Hi - does anyone know how to get BBC iPlayer radio working with a VPN (e.g. CyberGhost)? - CyberGhost is meant to work with iPlayer but the radio doesn't work. But that should be irrelevant since I have tried adding the following exception URLs (amongst others) which bypass the VPN altogether. But this doesn't work either: - a.files.bbci.co.uk - a.files.bbci.co.uk - radio-service-information.api.bbci.co.uk - The iPlayer Live Stream Preference is set to HLS->DASH->MP3->FlashAAC Or, put another way, does anyone know a VPN that will work with BBC iPlayer radio / SB3? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111282 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Hard to start iPlayer after waking Win10 PC
Well, this problem really does seem to have fixed itself now for both iPlayer and FLAC files. Not sure if the fix was one of the many recent Win 10 Pro updates, or because I updated to LMS 7.9.2 - 1556111457... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110469 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Hard to start iPlayer after waking Win10 PC
You were right, it was wishful thinking. The original problem (of not being able to play the radio station that was playing when the PC went to sleep) is still there, it just seems to be intermittent. In fact today the radio stream automatically started playing all by itself, although it took a while (30 seconds type of thing). It is not a big problem.. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110469 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Hard to start iPlayer after waking Win10 PC
bpa wrote: > Thanks at least I now know what to test at some point. > > My W10 PC has the same states but when I testing I have been using the > "power" control which offer "Sleep" , "Restart" or "shutdown!. No > indication what "Sleep" corresponds to - Hibernate, S3 or Hyrbid Sleep. > > My Hibernate does not need a password ! > > My PC is not wired as it is not normally in use as Windows or even LMS > server. To test would require wiring a player and also wiring the W10 > server. > > So when PC is put to sleep - all the players are actually playing. > > Synced players add a level of timing resulting in undetermined > variability which I think could affect playback especially coming out of > sleep. TBH I am not too bothered that it doesn't automatically start itself on waking, although I am surprised that it works with S4/(Hibernate) but not S3. The main problem seems to be fixed. But I don't really understand what having the Live Stream set to HLS > DASH > MP3 > FlashAAC actually means in practice. The MP3 and AAC bits make me a little nervous that some of the quality is lost (I do listen to BBC3 a bit which, unlike the other stations, seems to be pretty good quality). rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110469 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Hard to start iPlayer after waking Win10 PC
bpa wrote: > I think this may be wishful thinking rather than actual improvement. > > > I cannot test until you tell me exactly how you shutdown and wake up the > players and systems. > Does the player shut the server down ? > Does the server shutdown out of inactivity ? > Is the server woken by a keyboard press > Is the server woken by a WakeOnLan magic packet ? If so is the Server > wireless or wired connection to player ? > What is the W10's "state" (as defined by MS) of the server when it is > asleep ? > > There are so many options and variations -that I cannot test unless I > have information. > > > > My gut feel is that it is somehting to do with server taking too much > time to wakeup. More time than the LMS s/w allows especially with synced > players and so LMS s/w timeouts > > As I said above I don't think HLS will necessarily be a better option > there is very little difference in implementation. MP3 is quite a > different implementation. - there are 3 SB3s, all wired and sync'd. Two of them are permanently connected to power, the third has power disconnected shortly after the PC sleeps via a power saving socket. - the PC is usually put to sleep via the Windows Start Menu, and sometimes via a very simple little app called Wizmo.exe. I don't even know how to get the SB3 to put the PC to sleep. I am pretty sure that the behaviour in both cases is the same. - I usually wake the PC by pressing the Power button on one of the SB3s that is permanently connected to power, and this is how I have been testing it the last few days. - In Windows I had to set "Only allow a magic packet to wake the computer" to stop it being woken all the time. - Powercfg -a shows available sleep states as S3 / Hibernate / Hybrid Sleep / Fast Startup. - - it certainly doesn't go into Hibernate since that requires entry of the Bitlocker password - - _However_I_tried_it_with_Hibernate_twice_(waking_via_SB3)_and_BBC_starts_normally_as_hoped_ - - fast start-up is disabled in Power Options - - hybrid sleep is effectively disabled since the "Hibernate after" setting is set to never. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110469 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Hard to start iPlayer after waking Win10 PC
bpa wrote: > Just did a >3 hr test. > > W10 was sleeping. Radio was off. Powered on Radio. Then woke up W10 > with keyboard . Stream starting playing on Radio with no other (e.g. > "rebuffering" )messages. Thanks and apologies for the delay in replying. Since I changed the Live Stream Preference to HLS > DASH > MP3 > FlashAAC the problem is partially fixed in that I can now start the BBC easily by just pressing play. However it does not start automatically on wake up. However I now realise that this is part of a bigger problem in that just playing ordinary FLAC music doesn't restart either. I have tried "Pause / Resume" and "Stop / Restart Song" settings, neither work. Am using 3 sync'd SB3s. The main thing was to make it easy to start BBC which is now fixed. Thanks very much... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110469 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Hard to start iPlayer after waking Win10 PC
bpa wrote: > If you are playing Live streams using pre 1.6.2 BBCiPlayer on LMS 7.9.0 > or older - this is most likely a LMS bug specific to Windows. You need > latest BBCiPlayer (1.6.5) but MUST have latest LMS (7.9.2). > > If not the Windows bug This sounds like a network / DNS issue so full > details of what is being tried and your setup is needed. > > What version of LMS ? > What version of BBciPlayer ? > Live or Listen Again ? > If Listen Again what format is being played HLS, DASH or MP3 ? (i.e. > what are your Live Stream Preference settings ?) > What is the menu tree you are using to play a station ? (e.g. Radio-> > BBCiPlayer - > Listen Live (non-UK) -> Radio3 ) > How is Windows "sleeping" - Hibernation, Sleep or other (e.g. "off"with > Optane h/w) > > edit: > > How long is the PC asleep for ? > Does the problem happen if the PC is sleeping for less than 3 hours with > a live station ? The PC sleep time doesn't make any difference. Have tried a couple of minutes to overnight. LMC 7.9.2 - 1541400404 @ Mon Nov 5 08:07:49 WEST 2018 iPlayer v1.6.5 Live, mainly Radio 2 and 4, accessed via Favourites. URLs in favourites are: - iplayer://live?hls=http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_two.m3u8=http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/dash/uk/dash_full/ak/bbc_radio_two.mpd=http://radio-service-information.api.bbci.co.uk/logos/bbc_radio_two/600x600.png=fm/ce1/c202/08880=bbc_radio_two - iplayer://live?hls=http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/hls/uk/sbr_high/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.m3u8=http://a.files.bbci.co.uk/media/live/manifesto/audio/simulcast/dash/uk/dash_full/ak/bbc_radio_fourfm.mpd=http://radio-service-information.api.bbci.co.uk/logos/bbc_radio_fourfm/600x600.png=fm/ce1/c204/09320=bbc_radio_fourfm Live Stream Preference is DashFlac > DASH Bitrates - Highest available Allow Transcoding / Show On Air Text / Always display station icon: all enabled. Seconds to delay start live stream: 5 seconds Buffer fullness: 255 rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110469 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] Hard to start iPlayer after waking Win10 PC
After waking my Win10 64bit PC via LAN, it is hard to get iPlayer to start playing the radio station it was playing when the PC was put to sleep. I find I have to first play a different BBC radio station, then go back to the original one that was playing. A minor inconvenience, but it would be great if it could just resume on startup as other music does. I have "Power on Resume" set to "Pause at power off / Resume at Power on" I have 3 sync'd SB3s. This problem has been around for years, and through several installations of Win10. Everything else on iPlayer now works perfectly! rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110469 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] How to install latest BBC iPlayer - presumably v1.6.0
bpa wrote: > In WebUI Setting/Plugins at the bottom where it says "Additional > Repositories" - paste the following > HTTP://DOWNLOADS.SOURCEFORGE.NET/PROJECT/BPAPLUGINS/BETARELEASE-REPO.XML > > After pasting click Apply and possible restart LMS. > > Rather than be immediately activated (i.e. Appear in Active Plugins > list), it is likely that plugins will appear at top of Plugins tab > above "active Plugins" - check the boxes opposite BBCiPlayer V1.6 and > BBCiPlayerExtra 2.00, click Apply and then plugins should then be moved > into the Active plugin list. Fabulous - all working. Thanks very much! rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109599 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] How to install latest BBC iPlayer - presumably v1.6.0
I have a new Windows 10 Pr installation, and just reinstalled the iPlayer plugin via Settings->Plugin page, but it is saying it is version v1.3.1alpha3. I have found a 1.6.0 but how do I install it? I want to get it "right" first time as have had problems in the past. Is there a link anywhere explaining it? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109599 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer only works with 2min delay
bpa wrote: > Are you in the UK ? > > This should only affect live streams and by "old" problem - it is only > about 12-18 months. > > It is a problem only with Windows systems mainly 10 but I suspect also 8 > but oddly not all configurations. > I don't have a Windows 10 system so I can't reproduce it nor debug it. > > I'm pretty sure the problem is due to a change in Windows process > scheduling made in Win8/10 and it has affected the LMS support app > socketwrapper. It will only be examined and possibly fixed by me when I > get a Win 10 system - however for the moment my Win7 is adequate. > > Try reducing buffer fullness down to 50 - it will speed start up but too > small also causes break-ups. > > You can always play the MP3 streams. > > edit: > > You are in UK - jusrt noticed your "London" and are using "Highest". I tried various combinations of Buffer Fullness and "Seconds to delay start live stream", but it had varying degrees of unreliability until the delay was set to 2 minutes. Oddly when the delay was set to either 15s or 1 minute, there was an actual delay of about 1'45 compared to DAB. With the delay set to 2 minutes, the actual delay was 2'35. Worth mentioning I have a good fibre connection so I don't think anything is going on there... On another note, the BBC 3 flac stopped working some time ago. I think there was a setting or something to get that FLAC stream to work? It display the programme information, but doesn't actually play any music.. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109351 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer only works with 2min delay
To get BBC iPlayer to work well I have to set the "seconds to delay start live stream" to 2 minutes. If I set it to 1 minute the playback breaks up every few minutes. If I set it to 15 seconds not only does playback break up, but it also takes about 30 seconds to start playback at all. I think this is quite an old problem. Just wondering if there is a fix yet? BBC iPlayer v1.5.4.5 Buffer fullness set to 255. Live Stream Pref=DashFlac->Dash Bitrate for Live stream DASH = Use highest bitrate available Repository=http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/V154testrelease-repo.xml 1 year old PC running Windows 10 64bit, i5, 8GB, SSD. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109351 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
FYI, and for anyone else reading this thread, it works even better with a 2 minute delay. With the 1 minute delay it would break up a couple of times over the first few minutes of listening and then played reliably. With a 2 minute delay I don't get any break up. It starts quickly and plays reliably. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > HLS is 1st preference and 1.4* and1.5.* are all about playing DASH and > playing setting only apply to DASH. HLS code has not changed from 1.3 > > > Change the Live and on Demand to > > DASH > HLS > MP3 > FlashAAC. That helped a lot! Thank you! I find, as you mentioned, that the "Seconds to delay start live stream" has to be set to 1 minute, otherwise it takes forever to start the stream and then breaks up a lot. If set to 1 minute the stream starts after about 3 seconds, occasionally breaks up once or twice in the first few minutes, and then settles down to be a reliable stream. The scroll rate of the text seems to follow its own rule, rather than the scroll settings in Player->Display, but that is a minor niggle. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > Strange - the settings worked for other W10 users. > > What formats preferences have for Live set ? The delay settings only > work for DASH. Here are all the iPlayer settings .. 22373 +---+ |Filename: LMS settings.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22373| +---+ rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > This has been seen before - there is something weird with windows and > transcoding. It happens with some low end system but also some high end > but not middling !!. I have tried repodiuing on my i5 SSD 16Gb but I > think it may also be somehting to so with UK bit rates. > > The problem seem to be high spec multicore system get ahead of the > stream and runs out of data. The workaround is to increase "delay to > start live stream" - try 1 min and see how it goes. Tried 1 minute and 2 minute and it doesn't seem to help. I guess I'll go back to the HLS streams which seemed reliable. If you want me to send you debug info, or try anything else then I am more than happy to help! rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > For windows use the 1.5.* - I haven't had time to to do a proper release > of the 1.5.3 but this is the URL > > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/bpaplugins/V153testrelease-repo.xml > > You can look at the the 1.5.2 thread regarding features such as rew of > live streams. > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?106409-BBCiPlayer-V1-5-2-beta-test I have done this and the metadata is now there. Thank you for that. However the steams are not performing very well. With "Seconds to delay start live stream" at 15s and "Buffer fullness threshold" at 255, each stream takes nearly 30s to start, it breaks up a couple of times and then settles down to work. The HLS streams start reliably in about 1 second. Running an i5-7400 CPU8GB RAM, SSD. So performance of the PC should not be an issue! rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > The easiest way to play HLS with program info is to use the updated > BBCiPlayer plugin. > > What OS are you using ? Windows 10 64bit (Home) rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > The plugin can provide the info using the options as I described for > many versions. > What version are you using ? I am using LMS 7.7.5. BBC iPlayer (v1.3.1alpha3). BBC iPlayer Extras (v1.8) PlayHLS (v1.1) I am using the HLS streams... I have just noticed at the top of the plug the following errors are shown. I have no idea if it is relevant... Bad repository http://bpaplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/repo-short.xml - 404 Not Found Bad repository http://triodeplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/testrepo.xml - 404 Not Found Bad repository http://bpaplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/repo-playhls.xml - 404 Not Found rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > There is no point saying another radio station has info so why not the > BBC. If you want info on possibilities you must give specific details > from the BBC iPlayer own web broswer based player playing HTML5. Time > is the problem - I don't have the time to look around to try to guess > what people are hinting at. > > I didn't know on demand program had more program segment info available > until 2 days ago when another SB user told me about an API which is in > being used by the get_iplayer application. BBC have mentioned in API > descriptions that program info is available in segments, chapters and > tracks but it looks like only segments are available. > > That said it needs more investigation - especially to determine if it > will die in May 2017 like many of the older BBC APIs. At the moment all > I can say there is some segment info available for some a small number > of programs on national BBC stations. I don't know if the segment info > is what you are looking for nor whether it is available for the > programd you listen to. > > If you have specifc example of additional info you know about - please > give the specific example and I'll check them out. I am very sorry I think I am losing the plot. I wrote "on demand". I meant live! E.g. if I am listening to Radio 4 live, it would be nice to know if it is Desert Island Disks or the Today Program playing or whatever... I rarely if ever use On Demand... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
bpa wrote: > Are you talking about Live or On-demand ? > > With live - by "Now playing" do you mean the program name, program > content or the track info ? > Program name etc. arer available by enabling the "show onAir text" > opytion - it is also worthwhile disabling the "always show station > icon" > BBC only save the last 11 tracks for some national station but they can > be from the previous day - track info are available through the "recent > tracks" menu. Yes, I mean On Demand. If I go to Plugins->BBC iPLayer the only option that seems relevant is "Show Live Text" which is enabled. There is also a "Live Text - SB Classic" which is set to Top Line. I am running 3 SB3s.. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPLayer - how to get Now Playing information
I am using the HLS streams with the iPLayer plugin (the usual streams break up for some reason). The HLS streams work very well, but it would be nice to get programme information in Now Playing. Plenty of other radio stations provide this - is it possible to get it with the iPlayer? I am based in London, using LMS 7.7.5 on a Win 10 PC. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107174 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] SqueezeLite - pops and crackles when syncing with SB3s
Mnyb wrote: > No they are not the same player . Odd since I "powered" down SqueezeLite and installed SqueezePlay. It saw the desktop server and mysqueezebox, failed to connect to the desktop, but switched SqueezeLite back on. Guess Ill give it another go... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105486 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] SqueezeLite - pops and crackles when syncing with SB3s
Before I buy another SB3, I thought I'd just check if there are any other software solutions that may work? I believe SqueezePlay relies on SqueezeLite so I am presumably back to the same problem there? Are there any other software solutions to playing sync'd music on my desktop? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105486 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] SqueezeLite - pops and crackles when syncing with SB3s
epoch1970 wrote: > And also because it is better, and looks glorious. I took the liberty of > sending you a PM yesterday about that. There's an Ebay.co.uk seller this > week who dumps a Boom, an SB3 (silver/white), and a TP (silver). All > looking very good. > > If you are saying there is a slight delay, but this delay is absolutely > stable, then I suggest you touch up Settings>this > player>Synchronize>Player Audio Delay (ms) and add there the few 10s of > millisecs that account for transport time within the PC. That should fix > it. Yep - thanks v much for the PM. There seem to be quite a few on ebay now so hopefully can pick one up a lot cheaper than what I paid for the new ones 10 odd years ago! Seems amazing that 10 years later this hardware is still "current"! And will try the delay feature - thanks very much for the heads up.. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105486 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] SqueezeLite - pops and crackles when syncing with SB3s
epoch1970 wrote: > One more SB3 is never a bad choice I would say. > But given the environment you describe and the asking price for an SB > these days, I would take a 2nd hand/refurbished Airport Express > (2012-current model) and put that near the PC. You would get Airplay > line out for the PC (digital or analog) and a boost to your wifi signal > as a bonus. (You can disable wifi but then connectivity is limited to a > 2-port 10/100 switch.) > Here in FR the refurb store is depleted but months ago I got many of > these, brand new in neutral packaging, for 79 after VAT. That's 62.95£, > Google says. > I would recommend you head over the Airplay bridge plugin thread if you > have the slightest hesitation. > I think if I go down the h/w route, which frankly would be a bit disappointing due to (a) extra cost (b) extra boxes and (c) the feeling of why is it necessary, I'll go with another 2nd hand SB3. Simply because I know it. Currently I have one plugged into the LineIn on my PC and it works fine, although it is v v slightly out of sync, but barely noticeable. That sync issue maybe the linein on the motherboard, dunno ... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105486 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] SqueezeLite - pops and crackles when syncing with SB3s
bpa wrote: > IIRC sync depends on an accurate clock on the audio hardware and many > PCs don't have good audio hardware but also sometime Windows can do a > lot of s/w processing (e.g. resample 44.1kHZ to 48 Khz) . > > On Windows there are a few different audio API and perhaps one may be > better for your setup. Have you tried the different API by checking what > output device your Squeezelite finds. Thanks very much for the help, but franklyI wouldn't know where to start to try a "different audio API"!? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105486 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] SqueezeLite - pops and crackles when syncing with SB3s
epoch1970 wrote: > Well if you have AirPlay devices (not the shairplay software stuff but > hardware devices) you could sync an SB3 about perfectly, using the > AirPlay Bridge plugin. > Or you can let the SB3 drift (settings>your SB3>Synchronize menu) but I > have to say I never tried the options to not maintain sync, or pushed > the minimum sync adjustment to a higher value. Thanks ... If I am going to buy hardware then presumably I'd be better off getting another SB3 and plugging it into the LineIn on my PC? I'll try increasing the Minimum Syncronisation Adjustment to say 500ms. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105486 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] SqueezeLite - pops and crackles when syncing with SB3s
I have two SB3s and SqueezeLite running on a Windows 10 desktop, all wired in. The syncing of SqueezeLite is usually out by a very noticeable split second. But more annoying is that the SqueezeLite causes crackles and pops in the SB3s, about once a minute. Presumably these occur as they all re-sync, but it only happens when SqueezeLite is sync'd. Is there a way around this, either by changing the configuration, or by using a different software player on my PC? Configuration: Windows 10 64bit, recently installed on a 2yr old desktop 2 x SB3s, all wired LMS 7.7.5 rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105486 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer Listen Again not working
Hi - I am using BBC iPlayer which works, although I tend now to use the PlayHLS as it seems to stop/rebuffer less. However the Listen Again doesn't work at all. E.g. I go to Radio->BBC iPlayer->BBC Radio 4 FM -> Today and select a program. The program picture and description comes up, but it doesn't play. The timer stays at 0:00. It has been doing this for a long time. Win 10 64bit LMS 7.7.5 2 x wired SB3s and SqueezeLite sync'd. I have tried turning off SqueezeLite which makes no difference. Any ideas anyone? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105135 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer Listen Again not working
bpa wrote: > "long time" is not specific ? > > When did BBCiPlayer Listen Again last work for you ? Yesterday ? last > week ? last month ? last year ? Jan 2015 ? Can't remember it has been > so long ? > > What version of BBCiPlayer are you using ? > When did you install it ? > When did you last patch it ? At least several months. I am not sure exactly when as I rarely use it, but if I had to hazard a guess I'd say Liten Again stopped when I installed PLayHLS. Currently I'm using BBC iPlayer v1.3.1alpha3, BBC iPlayer Extras v1.8, and PlayHLS v1.1. I don't know when these were last installed, but iPlayer probably when my PC was rebuilt in April 2015. As iPlayer had endless re-buffering problems I installed PlayHLS several months ago. PlayHLS is better, but still not perfect. I also note, on another note, that PlayHLS has terrible sync between SB3s and SqueezeLite - it seems to gradually drift further out of sync. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105135 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer Listen Again not working
bpa wrote: > BBC changed their feeds last year in OCT to start DASH support and > there was a patch to BBCiPlayer posted by utgg on the BBCiplayer thread > to fix this see > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?53229-Announce-BBCiPlayer-Plugin-(UK-only)=834111=1#post834111 > PlayHLS as a source will not affect sync per se - sync will be affected > by network quality/load (Sb3 require transcoding from aac) , processor > load (ffmpeg is a heavyweight app) etc. > Your HLS problem may be a general BBC timing problem which could also > manifest as sync prpblem as there will be gaps which could appear as > delay while syncing. Thanks very much bpa - the Listen Again now works. Great stuff! My network is all wired and pretty good, with fibreoptic internet. Processor is very under utilitsed - I have a CPU usage window open permanently and the CPU is barely used 99% of the time... So not sure about the sync, but it isn't a huge deal. It has rarely been good with Squeezelite (get little cracks and pops on the SB3s unless i turn off SqueezeLite which is a bit annoying, even with FLACs). I should probably start a different thread for this though ... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105135 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] Stream music from Android phone over WiFi
Hi - is there a way to stream music from my Android phone via the Squeezebox over the WiFi network? E.g. play tunes on my phone's SD card, or listen to the Spotify / Youtube apps? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104858 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide
bpa wrote: > Since we have been around this particular block just last June - I > wanted to do a bit more digging rather than repeat the same advice. > > My suggestion is to try the PlayHLS plugin which is used to play Apple > HLS m3u8 streams. This plugin uses ffmpeg (or avconv) to process the > HLS streams and send a audio stream into LMS to send to player. This > means LMS is not dealing with DNS or http. The plugin can be installed > alongside BBCiPlayer and users just need to create a Favorite with the > appropriate BBC m3u8 URL (found in BBCiPlayer menu.opml file). The > Plugin has its own thread see > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103158-Announce-PlayHLS-Plugin-plugin-to-play-Apple-HLS-m3u8-stream > and installation instruction are in post 2 & 3. > > PlayHLS seems to be working perfectly. Big thank you - the problem had been slowly driving me nuts. I can't see what bitrate I am getting, but it sounds ok. I had thought your previous post of trying Proxied Streaming had worked, but then the problem came back with a vengeance after a few days. Changing DNS server didn't seem to make any difference. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103435 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide
I still find live BBC radio stuttering a lot (usually for quite short periods now of just a few seconds). Are other people still finding this, and has anyone found a solution to this yet? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103435 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide
it is a lot better than say a couple of months ago, but it has broken up a few times today (radio 2, 4). Radio 3 certainly breaks up too on occasion. I'd guestimate there is a break-up about 10-20 times a day, usually only for a few seconds... It definitely has its moments where it will break up several times, and then be fine for a few hours... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103435 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide
bpa wrote: There are a number of causes for stuttering/pause/gaps so more details always help. Does stuttering only happen with live streams or does it happen with on-demand/Listen Again ? Is the stuttering - gaps without loss of audio (i.e. pauses) or gaps without loss of audio ? What are you using to play live streams and what format ? Are you in UK or not ? If playing HLS streams have you done the DNS mods ? Have you enabled any logging (e.g. DNA , http) to determine the cause of the stuttering ? - I only use live streams, haven't tried replay - usually it pauses - it picks up where it left off - I am using 2 wired SB3s, and squeezelite. PC is wired too. - Am in London with good fibre connection - I tried the DNS mods some months ago and it didn't help, so I put them back to how they were. Things are better now to be fair, - I don't have any logging at the moment. Very happy to turn it on... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103435 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide
bpa wrote: Are you playing the Mp3 or the HLS streams ? If it is the HLS then the pauses sound like the DNS problem - you don't say which mods you tried. IIRC You need to enable network.asyncdns to see what is happening and also check whether the mods have any effect. Depending on the OS running you could try playing the BBC HLS live urls drectly with the PlayHLS plugin installed. This means ffmpeg will do the HLS processing and also deal with DNS rather than LMS if the DNS problem is with LMS rather than the OS. If playing MP3 - try enabling LMS Proxied streaming using WebUI Settings/Player/Audio/MP3 Streaming Method I am using both 1) Triodes iPLayer plugin v1.3.1alpha3 with HLS-MP3-FlashAAC-FlashMP3 2) RadioFeeds.co.uk If one doesn't work then sometimes the other seems better, although it's hard to be scientific about it. I haven't tried PlayHLS and know very little about it - is that worth a shot? I don't one to interfere with the other, but I guess that probably isn't a problem, as in both can coexist happily? Ill try proxy streaming, but it says LMS defaults to this when SB3s are sync'd, which in my case they are. Back in March I tried changing the DNS server to Google's - 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. I will try that again I have been using Windows 7 64bit, and recetly changed to Windows 10 64bit. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103435 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
Has anyone made any progress with these BBC streams? They still seem pretty rubbish to me ... Although I get the impression that the breakups are generally shorter these days ... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
Verulamius wrote: I'm currently not experiencing any problems with triode' iplayer. I'm using the fmpg variation with tplink powerline homeplugs between my touch and my rpi2 which is hosting squeezeplug/max2play and a 6Meg broadband connection. That said, what does drop is the mp3 logitech bbc radio feeds - this may well be less stable from the bbc end? It has been better lately, but not perfect. What is the fmpg variation? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
I spoke to a buddy who uses his Sonos system to stream BBC Radio 4. He said it drops out about once every two weeks!! Which begs the question, what is wrong with the Logitech system!? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
bonze wrote: Most are trying to get away from relying on the MP3 feeds though. of course, and I'd love to too, but they don't work! At least these mp3 streams are reasonably reliable. I'll give it another month or so and try the proper higher bitrate streams and see if the BBC have go their act in order yet ... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
kesey wrote: try this: http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mypicks/RadioFeedsSBS.zip I have been using this lately and it does seem a lot better. Bitrate 128Kbps except Radio 3 which is 320Kbps. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
Well I think it is better, but still far from perfect. Whereas occasionally it re-buffers and no error is shown in the log, usually I get the following errors: [15-06-18 10:14:48.1603] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (199) merged chunklist now 4 chunks [15-06-18 10:14:48.1604] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (200) chunks: [224159203,224159204,224159205,224159206] [15-06-18 10:14:51.9886] Slim::Networking::Async::HTTP::_http_read_timeout (494) Timed out waiting for more body data, returning what we have [15-06-18 10:14:55.1566] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (183) existing chunks: [224159203,224159204,224159205,224159206] And also: [15-06-18 10:15:30.4355] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (200) chunks: [224159203,224159204,224159205,224159206,224159207,224159208,224159209,224159210,224159211,224159212,224159213] [15-06-18 10:15:34.3009] Slim::Networking::IO::Select::__ANON__ (147) Error: Select task failed calling Slim::Web::HTTP::sendStreamingResponse: illegal file descriptor or filehandle (either no attached file descriptor or illegal value): at /C:\PROGRA~2\SQUEEZ~1\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Networking/IO/Select.pm line 150. ; fh=Slim::Web::HTTP::ClientConn=GLOB(0xabb2904) The Slim::Networking::IO::Select::__ANON__ (147) error usually comes several times at once. My system is completely wired, with a good BT fibre ISP rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
bpa wrote: Zip file is empty I'm not sure what you are logging but the following will track the most common issues.. Note time you start playing and also note time you get problems. network.asyncdns to INFO network.asynchttp to INFO plugin.bbciplayer to INFO I am now logging as above, and have just had a bout of bad behaviour from BBC R2 and R4. Log file attached. Approximate times when it rebuffered are: 9:17:30 (not after 9:18:00) 9:43:00 (v approx) 10:39:00 10:40:10 10:40:40 10:41:30 On one of them (I think 10:40:10) it stopped altogether and I had to press Play again. There are quite a few errors in the log file and I have no idea what they mean. I also looked at the results of ipconfig /all which shows that DNS servers 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 are being used. Any help much appreciated... 18269 +---+ |Filename: server.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18269| +---+ rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
bonze wrote: Switching off the two BBC iPlayer settings 'Show Live Text' and 'Show Slide Show' will stop RadioVis being used. Ok - have done that and will see what happens. I also changed Radio Station Buffer Seconds back to 3s to see if RadioVis is the problem. Now have to wait and see - thanks very much for the help. Incidentally, worth mentioning that I use 2 x SB3s and SqueezeLite 3, and everything is wired and sync'd ... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
bpa wrote: The log had two sorts of errors which triggered the rebuffering 1. Timeout - this timeout is controlled by WebUI Settings/Advanced/Network/Radio Station Timeout - if it is 3 or less can you try increasings it to say 10. 2. Failure to connect but there are Radiovis error functionality around the same time - can you disable Radiovis in Plugin settings to if problem is related in some way. The Radio Station Timeout is already set to 15 which I guess is long enough from what you say. This must be the default as I don't think I ever changed it. There is also a Radio Station Buffer Seconds which is set to 3. I'll change this to 15, which I suspect will just mask the problem, to some extent at least. I can't find a Radiovis plugin in Settings\PlugIns, although I searched my hard drive and found a file ...\Plugins\BBCiPlayer\RadioVis.pm, so it would appear to be part of the BBC iPlayer plugin itself. The only other plugins that may be of interest are all Logitech ones .. Radio v1.0, RadioIO v1.0, TuneIn Radio v2.0, but I suspect that they aren't relevant. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
bpa wrote: Justr in case - keep server.asynchhttp is set to INFO and check for timeout log message You had one in your log which means one of your 3 rebuffer was caused by timeout and it had no associated Radiovis error. The reason why I think 3 secs is too short is because BBC sends audio in 6-8 secs chunk and so when LMS is fetching next chunk sometime there could be less than 3 secs left in audio buffer. When timeout occurs the Plugin HSL implementation terminates the stream. Will do. And I'll set the buffer to 10s then - sounds like that is what the BBC require ... Fingers x'd! rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
bpa wrote: Not the Radio Station Buffer Seconds the Radio Station Timeout Ah - Timeout was already set to 15. Buffer was set to 3. Sounds like that is all ok then. Well, I'll see how disabling Show Live Text and Show Slide Show helps things. Once again, thanks for your help... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
bpa wrote: I agree with this suggestion - you should post on an existing BBCiPlayer thread as this thread title doesn't highlight your issue is really rebuffering and not which hardware or URLs. There is some consensus on what can be done to reduce the rebuffering effect such as changing DNS server. Will take your advice and post on a rebuffering thread. But FYI I changed the DNS server to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 and it is still terrible. Radio 4 has re-buffered several times this morning already... I can't believe BBC are this bad and it has been going on for months... I will also try the radiofeeds suggested in a previous post. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBC iPlayer rebuffering
I have had this rebuffering problem for months now (BT Infinity broadband). I have changed the DNS server to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 this morning, which seems to have made no difference, as R4 has broken up several times already in the last 30 minutes. I only use Live radio. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103481 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
R4 is better right now, but it dropped out a few minutes ago, a few seconds before 12.10.00 today. I had enabled logging, and the file is attached. There are errors at 12:10:23 but the dropout definitely happened before this. Any idea what this all means? 18264 +---+ |Filename: server.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18264| +---+ rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
Sorry, but it is a nightmare digging through all the endless problems people have had over recent months with iPlayer / BBC Radio. Just wondering, what is the currently accepted best way to get BBC live radio for a UK listener? Currently using BBC iPlayer (v1.3.1alpha3) plugin, with a good fibreoptic connection in London, and get endless re-buffering. Today it is unbelievably bad - I bitterly regret selling my old Quad FM tuner now! rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
Thanks. Good to know that at least I am running the right iPlayer version etc.. Am running LMS 7.7.5 on a Win7 64bit dual core 3.1GHz i3-2100 desktop with 8GB ram and SSD. It otherwise works very well! It seems that a lot of people are having buffering problems, and for me at least there are definitely good and bad days. Guess will work through it all, just there are now so many posts, and I don't even know which posts are relevant since I believe BBC have changed there end several times over the last few months. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?
I never realised you can run a PI server. Is it easy to setup and does it run as well as a PC server (and likely to work with Squeezer on my phone)? Could be a good option ... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103797 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer freezes occasionally
danco wrote: WMA works well for me. But as it will be cut off soon, it isn't a real solution. Have tried the WMA streams over the last few days and I find it still stops occasionally. BBC iplayer (video) seems a lot worse however .. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102873 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer freezes occasionally
danco wrote: I have had this issue for ages. No problem when BBC iPlayer is set to WMA only, but we are losing those streams soon. Other settings always lose the program from time to time. Usually gives me the message rebuffierng 5% but stops at 5% and shortly gives me a message Can't open file for ... I have a slightly complicated setup, and I haven't been able to work out where the problem is. Because of location (router at one end of my flat, computer at the other, SB in between) I use Devolo dLAN devices to connect. So there could be a problem with my network, with my internet connection, or with Talktalk. I've never been able to tell which. The Devolo utility shows connection of the network, my router has the relevant lights lit, but the Network Diagnostic Utility says there is no connection to my ISP. LMS 7.9, Mac OS 10.10.1 I also get the rebuffering, but to be fair it usually kick starts itself after 10-30 seconds, but not always. My entire system is wired so nothing to do with that. I used to have TalkTalk (copper), and recently changed to BT fibre, which made no difference at all. Will now try the WMA streams and see if that is any better... rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102873 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer freezes occasionally
On a slightly different note, does any one get drop out with iPLayer video? I use my Samsung BDH6500 smart bluray player, and it freezes every 10 minutes or so, albeit only for a second or two. Odd as other services seem fine .. rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102873 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer freezes occasionally
Do you and others have the same problem then? Seems odd to me that everyone else can make their streams work, radio and video, including tiny outfits, then why can't the mighty BBC? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102873 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] iPlayer freezes occasionally
I have used iPlayer for a long time and it is basically very good. However, every so often it freezes. Sometimes it kicks starts itself again after 10-30seconds, sometimes it doesn't. This happened on my old TalkTalk copper connection, but it still happens with my new BT fibre connection. I live in central London, and whenever I do a bandwidth test I always get close to 40Mb/s, and it seems very reliable so I suspect the problem is elsewhere. All my SB3s are wired, and I use SqueezeLite on my 6 month old Windows 7 PC. Any idea what it could be? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102873 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] SqueezeLite prevents sleep
Hi - I find if SqueezeLite is powered on then my PC won't sleep, even if no music is being streamed. If I turn it off with the power switch toggle (and leave the SB3s on) then the PC sleeps. Any idea why this may be? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101367 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] SqueezeLite prevents sleep
Good point! Win7 64bit. Completely new install last week with nothing unusual installed that I can think of rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101367 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] Moose / Squeezeslave stopped working
I used to use to run Squeezeslave so I could access the SB server on another PC on my local network. When I run Moose it says Connect to server (7.7.2) - Awaiting Player. I used to just select Player-Start Squeezeslave and all worked very well. Recently for no apparent reason it stopped. It just does nothing when I select Start Squeezeslave, and the menu continues to say Start rather than Stop Squeezeslave. I have gone to Tools-Preferences where I have SqueezeSlave Path set to C:\Program Files (x86)\SqueezeSlave\squeezeslave.exe, and SqueezeSlave Args = --mac 01:01:01:01:01:01 --output 0 -s. I don't think these settings have changed. Any idea what is going on ? rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94786 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Recording internet radio
Got it - not sure how I missed it before! Thanks very much ... -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91723 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Recording internet radio
bonze;671516 Wrote: I'd recommend http://www.nerdoftheherd.com/tools/radiodld/ for listen again. Will download in AAC and optionally convert to MP3 have been using this but it seems to automatically convert it to 128kbit mp3. Have looked in options but can't see a way around this. Any ideas? -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91723 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Recording internet radio
Hmm - two command windows open now so it is doing something at least.
But the second one (if I remove --quiet) comes up with the following,
and no FLAC file is generated ...
[027bff74] dummy interface: VLC media player - 1.1.11 The Luggage
[027bff74] dummy interface: Copyright © 1996-2011 the VideoLAN team
[027bff74] dummy interface:
Warning: if you can't access the GUI anymore, open a command-line
window, go to the directory where you installed VLC and run vlc -I
qt
[027bff74] dummy interface: using the dummy interface module...
[0284d434] stream_out_standard stream out error: no mux specified or
found by extension
[027b1764] main stream output error: stream chain failed for
`transcode{acodec=flac,channels=2}:std{access=file,'
[023e20ec] main input error: cannot start stream output instance,
aborting
[0284d4ec] stream_out_standard stream out error: no mux specified or
found by extension
[027b16a4] main stream output error: stream chain failed for
`transcode{acodec=flac,channels=2}:std{access=file,'
[023e20ec] main input error: cannot start stream output instance,
aborting
[0284d434] stream_out_standard stream out error: no mux specified or
found by extension
[027b1764] main stream output error: stream chain failed for
`transcode{acodec=flac,channels=2}:std{access=file,'
[023e20ec] main input error: cannot start stream output instance,
aborting
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Recording internet radio
Happy days - it works! A huge thank you for helping out here! I wouldn't have got there in a million years! -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91723 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Recording internet radio
I installed VLC and ran your suggestion (removing --quiet vlc://quit so
I could see the output. I get a string of errors All double Dutch
to me I'm afraid!
[00502e24] dummy interface: VLC media player - 1.1.11 The Luggage
[00502e24] dummy interface: Copyright © 1996-2011 the VideoLAN team
[00502e24] dummy interface:
Warning: if you can't access the GUI anymore, open a command-line
window, go to the directory where you installed VLC and run vlc -I
qt
[00502e24] dummy interface: using the dummy interface module...
[0050ff14] stream_out_standard stream out error: no mux specified or
found by extension
[0051cbac] main stream output error: stream chain failed for
`transcode{acodec=flac,ab=192,channels=2}:std{access=file,'
[004c51cc] main input error: cannot start stream output instance,
aborting
[0050ffcc] stream_out_standard stream out error: no mux specified or
found by extension
[0051cc6c] main stream output error: stream chain failed for
`transcode{acodec=flac,ab=192,channels=2}:std{access=file,'
[004c51cc] main input error: cannot start stream output instance,
aborting
[0050ff14] stream_out_standard stream out error: no mux specified or
found by extension
[0051cbac] main stream output error: stream chain failed for
`transcode{acodec=flac,ab=192,channels=2}:std{access=file,'
[004c51cc] main input error: cannot start stream output instance,
aborting
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Recording internet radio
I do not want to lose quality, and therefore it felt sensible to just keep it in the original AAC 320kbit format. However I do want to play it via my SB3s, and if that means converting to FLAC or something then so be it. The trouble is it don't seem to be able to convert it to FLAC, or anything else! -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91723 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Recording internet radio
Thank you! Have half worked out the problem. The SB3 will play the AAC file, I just couldn't see the tracks because Media Server was ignoring the tags that I had set up using mp3tag. Not sure why it ignores the tags, but at least the tracks are there -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91723 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Recording internet radio
Hmm - tried converting to FLAC (or even WAV) and that doesn't work. Also foobar File Integrity Checker fails. Odd since I have two files 75 mins long where i have the problems, but a much shorter 10sec test file seems to work better in that it will convert to FLAC. The shorter file was terminated by closing the CMD window rather than using TASKKILL... -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91723 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Recording internet radio
probably best to store it in FLAC format .. -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91723 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Recording internet radio
bpa;671968 Wrote: I forgot endpos only works when mplayer decodes the stream and so know the realtime of the stream - you are doing a byte dump so no decoding is done and mplayer doesn't know how long audio plays. There seems to be a bit of a problem from abruptly killing the process. Many players say the file is corrupted and wont play it at all. WMP funnily enough does play it, but the Squeezebox server wont recognise it. Clearly the header isn't being finalised properly. I have tried converting it to a WAV using Easy CD-DA but again it just says the file is corrupted. Any way around this? -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91723 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Recording internet radio
Again, thanks very much. I should have worked out the buffering myself! But I have tried the -endpos arguemnt to no avail. It just runs forever whatever I do. Not good if I am away on holiday! The command line I am using is: mplayer -dumpaudio -dumpfile c:\temp\bbcr3hd.aac -endpos 00:00:10 -playlist http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r3_aaclca.pls Any ideas? -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91723 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Recording internet radio
Perfect - TASKKILL does just the job. All set to go - thanks very much! PS on radio 3 the listen again does seem quite a lot worse quality than the live HD stream which is very good. -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91723 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
