Re: [aaloa promoters] [Result] [Vote] new project proposal: VAALID IDE

[Francesco Furfari]

Dear All, Pilar

I'm happy to announce that the VAALID IDE  proposal has been accepted.
The vote has passed with 16 positive votes (+1) , no abstentions(0) , no 
votes against (-1)


The vote results are:

+1 Joe Gorman (*)
+1 R. Benjamin Knapp
+1 Antonio Kung (*)
+1 Stefano Chessa
+1 Kush Wadhwa
+1 Sergio Guillen (*)
+1 Fuxreiter Thomas
+1 Andreas Hochgatterer
+1 Michele Girolami
+1 Luca Odetti
+1 Dario Salvi
+1 Sten Hanke
+1 Juan Pablo Lazaro Ramos
+1 Gottfried Zimmermann
    +1 Francesco Furfari (*)
+1 Jesus Bermejo

(*) binding votes


Pilar you can refer to the following email for the first instructions 
about the incubation process.

http://aaloa.org/pipermail/promoters/2011/000103.html
Feel free to write me for any doubt or clarification request.

Please, for a better dissemination of VAALID results take also into 
account the advise you find at:

http://aaloa.org/pipermail/promoters/2011/000117.html

Welcome and  AALOA to Pilar and all the team of VAALID project
Kind regards
Francesco




On 06/06/2011 10.00, Francesco Furfari wrote:

Dear ALL,

I'm happy to announce that a number of partners from the EU VAALID 
project decided to propose part of their software for incubation 
within AALOA.


The attached proposal is very interesting with a good roadmap 
indicating commitment to maintain and improve the software.


Please cast your vote as usual in a week, asking for further 
clarification if needed.


+1   [ I agree ]
0 [ I don't care, I don't know ]
-1[ I don't agree, I'm contrary ]


Best regards,
Francesco


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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] new project proposal: VAALID IDE

[Francesco Furfari]

Here my vote
+1

Francesco


On 06/06/2011 10.00, Francesco Furfari wrote:

Dear ALL,

I'm happy to announce that a number of partners from the EU VAALID 
project decided to propose part of their software for incubation 
within AALOA.


The attached proposal is very interesting with a good roadmap 
indicating commitment to maintain and improve the software.


Please cast your vote as usual in a week, asking for further 
clarification if needed.


+1   [ I agree ]
0 [ I don't care, I don't know ]
-1[ I don't agree, I'm contrary ]


Best regards,
Francesco


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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] new project proposal: VAALID IDE

[Francesco Furfari]

I agree with you :-)
+1

Francesco



On 10/06/2011 14.34, Gottfried Zimmermann wrote:

Hello Francesco,

i didn't mean to use the tutorial session as a voting platform.  We should
vote first, and if successful, the new software should be introduced and
taught by a tutorial session, as a dissemination instrument.

Thanks,
Gottfried



Am 10.06.11 10:34 schrieb "Francesco Furfari" unter
:


Hello Gottfried,
It's a good suggestion  but IMO it cannot be adopted as general rule.
The main reason is that project proposals can also start from scratch,
not being necessarily derived from EU projects and having some initial
stuff to show.

I think that VAALID can organize such a tutorial session enough easily (
but they are close to a project review, so I guess hey are busy enough),
and I was discussing at the AMB workshop a similar issue with Thomas
Fuxter the leader of the Homer project. It is their intention to create
even a video to show the potentiality of the HOMER platform ... ( yet
the timing  is the problem).

It is not clear  to me if you think to use the "tutorial session" for
voting or it is a general request for a better dissemination of the
platforms in AALOA.

Regards,
Francesco





On 09/06/2011 18.42, Gottfried Zimmermann wrote:

+1.

I suggest that there should be a "tutorial session" (can be by web
conferencing) in which you and the other VAALID contributors will
present
their software tools, so that we get an idea for what we can use them
and
how.

Similarly, such a session should be organized for every software
platform
that is being contributed to AALOA.

Thanks,
Gottfried

-Original Message-
From: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org [mailto:promoters-boun...@aaloa.org]
On
Behalf Of Francesco Furfari
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:00 AM
To: promoters@aaloa.org
Subject: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] new project proposal: VAALID IDE

Dear ALL,

I'm happy to announce that a number of partners from the EU VAALID
project
decided to propose part of their software for incubation within AALOA.

The attached proposal is very interesting with a good roadmap indicating
commitment to maintain and improve the software.

Please cast your vote as usual in a week, asking for further
clarification
if needed.

+1   [ I agree ]
0 [ I don't care, I don't know ]
-1[ I don't agree, I'm contrary ]


Best regards,
Francesco









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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] new project proposal: VAALID IDE

[Francesco Furfari]

Hello Gottfried,
It's a good suggestion  but IMO it cannot be adopted as general rule.
The main reason is that project proposals can also start from scratch, 
not being necessarily derived from EU projects and having some initial 
stuff to show.


I think that VAALID can organize such a tutorial session enough easily ( 
but they are close to a project review, so I guess hey are busy enough), 
and I was discussing at the AMB workshop a similar issue with Thomas 
Fuxter the leader of the Homer project. It is their intention to create 
even a video to show the potentiality of the HOMER platform ... ( yet 
the timing  is the problem).


It is not clear  to me if you think to use the "tutorial session" for 
voting or it is a general request for a better dissemination of the 
platforms in AALOA.


Regards,
Francesco





On 09/06/2011 18.42, Gottfried Zimmermann wrote:

+1.

I suggest that there should be a "tutorial session" (can be by web
conferencing) in which you and the other VAALID contributors will present
their software tools, so that we get an idea for what we can use them and
how.

Similarly, such a session should be organized for every software platform
that is being contributed to AALOA.

Thanks,
Gottfried

-Original Message-
From: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org [mailto:promoters-boun...@aaloa.org] On
Behalf Of Francesco Furfari
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 10:00 AM
To: promoters@aaloa.org
Subject: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] new project proposal: VAALID IDE

Dear ALL,

I'm happy to announce that a number of partners from the EU VAALID project
decided to propose part of their software for incubation within AALOA.

The attached proposal is very interesting with a good roadmap indicating
commitment to maintain and improve the software.

Please cast your vote as usual in a week, asking for further clarification
if needed.

+1   [ I agree ]
0 [ I don't care, I don't know ]
-1[ I don't agree, I'm contrary ]


Best regards,
Francesco






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[aaloa promoters] AALOA facilities and first instructions for incubating projects (Homer)

[Francesco Furfari]

Dear Thomas,

here some initial instructions in order to incubate the HOMER project 
within AALOA


We have a private mailing list infrastruct...@aaloa.org you can use to 
ask questions about the configuration of your project and any further 
help you may need.


We can offer such facilities:

-- *Mailing lists, and email services* (*mandatory*)
It is a mandatory service that developers and users must use to exchange 
information as OS community.
You can request to create different mailing list with the following 
structure:

@.aaloa.org   (mandatory)
(i.e develop...@homer.aaloa.org or us...@homer.aaloa.org)

-- *Source Code Repository* (*mandatory*)
We use a centrlized SVN repository to keep track of the coding
(i.e. svn://svn.aaloa.org/projects/homer)

-- *Software artifacts repository* (optional)
we use a Maven  repository  : Nexus (http://nexus.sonatype.org/)

-- *Content Management System* (optional)
we can instantiate a Joomla based CMS (http://www.joomla.org/)

-- *Project Management System* :   (optional)
We can install a Redmine (http://www.redmine.org/)

So apart from the mailing list and SVN you are free to use whatever you 
want.
Basically we will create a new DNS record  for the domain 
*homer.aaloa.org*, and many services can be  managed and hosted directly 
by you at AIT.
The_most urgent action_ is to create a static page for HOMER, we can 
link from  AALOA (http://aaloa.org/project_list).
Then you can decide with calm how to organize your project and which 
resources you need.


More instruction will follow on how to report about the status of your 
project.


Have a nice week end
Regards,
Francesco






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Re: [aaloa promoters] [VOTE] HOMER project for AALOA project

[Francesco Furfari]

Dear All,

I think it is time to close the vote, and to warmly invite Thomas 
Fuxreiter, leader of the Homer project, to proceed with the project 
incubation.


the vote has passed with 14 positive votes (+1) , no abstentions(0) , no 
votes against (-1)


+1 Dario Salvi
+1 Thomas Karopka (*)
+1 Francesco Furfari (*)
+1 Andreas Hochgatterer
+1 Reiner Wichert (*)
+1 Juan Pablo Lazaro
+1 Kush Wadhwa
+1 Antonio Kung (*)
+1 Juan-Carlos Naranjo
+1 César Iglesias
+1 Jesus Bermejo
+1 Luca Odetti
+1 Stefano Chessa
+1 Sergio Guillén (*)


Thomas, welcome to AALOA  !!
I will send you another email describing the services we offer for your 
project.


Best Regards
Francesco



On 02/03/2011 12.44, Hanke Sten wrote:


Dear all,

the HOMER project is asking to be part of the AALOA as a new Open 
Source Project inside AALOA.


Please see in the proposal attached several information about HOMER.

HOMER is an open and flexible OSGi-based software platform which aims 
at the integration of various home automation systems. HOMER has been 
so far developed by the AIT Biomedical Systems Group in the Health & 
Environment Department and is in parts already used in several 
national and international projects.


Thanks for your VOTE.

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Re: [aaloa promoters] [VOTE] HOMER project for AALOA project

[Francesco Furfari]

+ 1

Homer is very welcome. It is one more OSGi-based project and the first 
one dealing with the situation recognition topic.
As far as the license is concerned, I suppose that at least the code 
derived by UniMode OS project will be GPL based.
At the moment we don't have a specific license policy  in AALOA, so GPL, 
LGPL or Apache-like licences are welcome, however it is important to 
choose an Open Source license and define very well the dependencies with 
external code.


regards,
Francesco


On 02/03/2011 13.51, Thomas Karopka wrote:

+1

Thomas

BTW, under which License is the homer.core code released and where is 
it hosted?



Am 02.03.2011 12:44, schrieb Hanke Sten:


Dear all,

the HOMER project is asking to be part of the AALOA as a new Open 
Source Project inside AALOA.


Please see in the proposal attached several information about HOMER.

HOMER is an open and flexible OSGi-based software platform which aims 
at the integration of various home automation systems. HOMER has been 
so far developed by the AIT Biomedical Systems Group in the Health & 
Environment Department and is in parts already used in several 
national and international projects.


Thanks for your VOTE.

Kind regards Sten

*STEN HANKE
*Health & Environment Department
Biomedical Systems

*AIT Austrian Institute of Technology GmbH
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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Result] [Vote] BRAID project ask to join as supporter of AALOA

[Francesco Furfari]

Dear All,

the vote has passed with 21 positive votes (+1) , no abstentions(0) , no 
votes against (-1)


The vote results are:

+1 Francesco Furfari (*)
+1 Gunnar Fagerberg
+1 Joe Gorman (*)
+1 Jesus Bermejo
+1 Sergio Guillen (*)
+1 Maria Teresa Arredondo
+1 Juan Pablo Lazaro Ramos
+1 Luca Odetti
+1 Thomas Karopka (*)
+1 Sten Hanke (*)
+1 Saied Tazari (*)
+1 César Iglesias
+1 Alberto Gotta
+1 Antonio Kung (*)
+1 Francesco Potorti
+1 Stefano Chessa
+1 Michele Girolami
+1 Dario Salvi
+1 Adrea Hochgatterer
+1 Gottfried Zimmermann
+1 Marius Mikalsen

(*) binding votes

I'm going to announce this result to the supporters mailing list.
Best Regards,
Francesco


On 12/02/2011 19.06, Francesco Furfari wrote:

Dear All,

the European project BRAID (http://braidproject.org/) has requested to 
join the AALOA as supporter.
It means that we will add the name and logo of the project in the 
Manifesto and website.
BRAID is a running FP7 project, and I'm confident it will provide a 
valuable contribution to AALOA.


This vote will be open for a week.
Please express your vote in time.

BRAID (Bridging Research in Ageing and ICT Development) is an ?EU FP7 
Support Actionaimed at developing a comprehensive Research and 
Technological Development (RTD) roadmap for active ageing, by 
consolidating existing roadmaps and by describing and launching a 
stakeholder co-ordination and consultation mechanism. The project's 
aims are to characterisekey research challenges and produce a vision 
for a comprehensive approach in supporting the well-being and 
socio-economic integration of increasing numbers of senior citizens in 
Europe. BRAID is building upon the experience and knowledge developed 
in previous projects, namely AALIANCE <http://www.aaliance.eu/>, 
CAPSIL <http://www.capsil.org/>, ePAL <http://www.epal.eu.com>, and 
SENIOR <http://www.seniorproject.eu/>, while taking account of 
e-inclusion efforts in the EU27 as well as Australia, Canada, Japan 
and the US.



Best regards,
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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] BRAID project ask to join as supporter of AALOA

[Francesco Furfari]

+1
Francesco


On 12/02/2011 19.06, Francesco Furfari wrote:

Dear All,

the European project BRAID (http://braidproject.org/) has requested to 
join the AALOA as supporter.
It means that we will add the name and logo of the project in the 
Manifesto and website.
BRAID is a running FP7 project, and I'm confident it will provide a 
valuable contribution to AALOA.


This vote will be open for a week.
Please express your vote in time.

BRAID (Bridging Research in Ageing and ICT Development) is an ?EU FP7 
Support Actionaimed at developing a comprehensive Research and 
Technological Development (RTD) roadmap for active ageing, by 
consolidating existing roadmaps and by describing and launching a 
stakeholder co-ordination and consultation mechanism. The project's 
aims are to characterisekey research challenges and produce a vision 
for a comprehensive approach in supporting the well-being and 
socio-economic integration of increasing numbers of senior citizens in 
Europe. BRAID is building upon the experience and knowledge developed 
in previous projects, namely AALIANCE <http://www.aaliance.eu/>, 
CAPSIL <http://www.capsil.org/>, ePAL <http://www.epal.eu.com>, and 
SENIOR <http://www.seniorproject.eu/>, while taking account of 
e-inclusion efforts in the EU27 as well as Australia, Canada, Japan 
and the US.



Best regards,
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[aaloa promoters] [Vote] BRAID project ask to join as supporter of AALOA

[Francesco Furfari]

Dear All,

the European project BRAID (http://braidproject.org/) has requested to 
join the AALOA as supporter.
It means that we will add the name and logo of the project in the 
Manifesto and website.
BRAID is a running FP7 project, and I'm confident it will provide a 
valuable contribution to AALOA.


This vote will be open for a week.
Please express your vote in time.

BRAID (Bridging Research in Ageing and ICT Development) is an ?EU FP7 
Support Actionaimed at developing a comprehensive Research and 
Technological Development (RTD) roadmap for active ageing, by 
consolidating existing roadmaps and by describing and launching a 
stakeholder co-ordination and consultation mechanism. The project's aims 
are to characterisekey research challenges and produce a vision for a 
comprehensive approach in supporting the well-being and socio-economic 
integration of increasing numbers of senior citizens in Europe. BRAID is 
building upon the experience and knowledge developed in previous 
projects, namely AALIANCE , CAPSIL 
, ePAL , and SENIOR 
, while taking account of e-inclusion 
efforts in the EU27 as well as Australia, Canada, Japan and the US.



Best regards,
Francesco





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[aaloa promoters] Important (legal) issues on the project incubation

[Francesco Furfari]

 Dear All,

after the positive results of the voting I would like to discuss with 
you about the implications of the incubation process.


1)  Project representative
As described in the Manifesto, the leader becomes part of the Governing 
Board.
If AALOA will be a federation of projects we need to know about the 
status of the projects, and each project must be represented on the GB.

Simple rules for reporting the status of the project should be defined.

2)  Legal Implications for the AALOA domain
The project will be hosted under the aaloa.org domain (i.e 
zb4osgi.aaloa.org)
So there are legal implications on the content published on the project 
web site.
We should define a procedure to record the personal data of the project 
leader,

and we should have him sign a document for the taking of responsibility.
( who prepares the document template)

3) Licensing model
Each software  project Must follow an open source policy.
AALOA has to guarantee that the source code is always accessible by 
providing a common repository (SVN) that must be used by the incubated 
projects.
By the way, each project can use a different license, for instance GPL, 
LGPL-like or permissive license like ASL2.0.
In the future we can decide to converge to a unique license, but I guess 
it can be decided later when we will start to plan a shared development 
for one (or more)  AAL platform(s) endorsed by AALOA.

Any opinion here?

4) Committers work and external code contributions
Each project is organized around a community of developers that can be 
employee of some company.
We should avoid claims from the companies about any software 
contribution provided to the project.
I would like the employer signs a document that states he is aware of 
the work done by his employees in the incubated project.

What about the patents?
Any contribution received by people external to the project should be 
accepted

only if the IPR are granted with the same license used by the project.
Should the contribution rights be donated? to the incubated project?  to 
AALOA?


Any opinion is warmly welcome.
Please comment reporting the bullets

Regards,
Francesco






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[aaloa promoters] [Result] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

[Francesco Furfari]

 Dear All,

I think that in this Christmas period,  with two days in advance of the 
official closure of the voting (23/12), but with the exception of 
re-opening  it in case of new negative votes before Dec. 23,


we can announce that the vote has passed with 13 positive votes (+1) , 
no abstentions (0) , no votes against (-1)


The vote results are:

+1 Sergio Guillen (*)
+1 Saied Tazari (*)
+1 Thomas Karopka (*)
+1 Sten Hake (*)
+1 Joe Gorman (*)
+1 Luca Odetti
+1 Jesus Bermejo
+1 Cesar Iglesias
+1 Dario Salvi
+1 Stefano Lenzi
+1 Antonio Kung (*)
+1 Roberto Casas
+1 Bruno Jean-Bart

(*) binding votes


We have time during this vacation to prepare the tools for the new project.

Kind Regards,
Francesco



Il 16/12/2010 14.58, Francesco Furfari ha scritto:

 Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,

I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal 
concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.


I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate 
the needed resources for its software development.


As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will 
abstain from voting on this issue.
I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding 
vote,  their comments are very welcome.


Kind regards,
Francesco.


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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

[Francesco Furfari]

 Jesus,

in the project proposal we say that ZigBee covers many application 
domains very useful for AAL related project, but we don't mean that  
ZigBee must be the reference technology for AAL applications.
We are aware that there are many competing solutions, IP6LowPan,  
Wireless HART,  or UPnP, DPWS 
With respect to the AALOA mission, this project can be considered one of 
the many  building blocks that may be integrated in a reference platform 
for AAL.
It is an outcome of the  PERSONA project, but it is released without the 
"peculiarities" of the PERSONA project, so that it is a generic solution 
that can be integrated in the AAL/AmI platform you like.


I didn't understand your last example. In theory ZigBee networks can 
contains 65.000 nodes, enough for the smart environments we are 
addressing, but I guess you was thinking to a different use case.
The scalability issues in my mind are that ones related to the remote 
management of thousand of devices; a control center that has to remotely 
manage many smart home installations, the remote upgrade of the 
software/firmware installed in such environments, and so on   ... but 
IMO the problems are not on the ZigBee side.


Francesco


Il 19/12/2010 0.33, jesus.berm...@telvent.com ha scritto:

Dear all,

My vote is positive ... however, it is not clear the strategy for the 
AAL domain being the driver for the evolution of Zigbee out from a 
ZigBee for Health Care profile (which is a very limited area in the 
scope of this technology). This combined with the current activity in 
this technology entails a high risk for the survival.


Just to mention an additional implementation being integrated in 
device abstraction activities running in OSAmI project; the (paralell) 
R&D activities of the team involved in this technology are moving in 
the direction of overcoming the current limitations in the number of 
nodes in the context of real deployment scenarios (some already in 
operation) which are difficult to find in the AAL domain.


Best regards,

-Jesus-

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Para: "promoters@aaloa.org" 
De: Francesco Furfari 
Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org
Fecha: 16/12/2010 14:58
Asunto: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project
proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

  Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,

I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal
concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.

I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate
the needed resources for its software development.

As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will
abstain from voting on this issue.
I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding vote,
their comments are very welcome.

Kind regards,
Francesco.
/ (See attached file: ZigBee4OSGi project proposal_v4.pdf)/
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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

[Francesco Furfari]

 Well the right example is :

5 positive binding votes (+1)
25 negative non-binding votes (-1)

Francesco


Il 18/12/2010 10.39, Francesco Furfari ha scritto:

Hi Luca,

your vote is very important.
The binding vote of the Governing Board may  be used for critical 
situation, for example when there is a problem for resource allocation.
However the GB is operating in name of a community, and the opinion of 
the  community is important.
In this moment there are 40 people in this mailing list and more than 
70 in the supporters mailing list.

What do you think would be the effect of having :
5 positive votes (+1)
25 negative votes (-1)

Every negative vote must be clearly motivated.
And GB must careful evaluate every binding and not-binding vote.

I hope we will use this submission to discuss about the rules for 
voting and how the GB should manage the affairs of AALOA.
I will send send another email on this , well under the Christmas 
vacation there is the risk of a short discussion ...

but let's try ...

Best,
Francesco


Il 17/12/2010 17.25, Luca Odetti ha scritto:


Correction: it's not my "vote", it's my opinion
:-)

Ciao
Luca



Il giorno 16/dic/2010, alle ore 15:00, "Francesco Furfari" 
 ha scritto:


>  Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,
>
> I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal
> concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.
>
> I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate
> the needed resources for its software development.
>
> As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will
> abstain from voting on this issue.
> I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding vote,
> their comments are very welcome.
>
> Kind regards,
> Francesco.
> 
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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

[Francesco Furfari]

 Hi Luca,

your vote is very important.
The binding vote of the Governing Board may  be used for critical 
situation, for example when there is a problem for resource allocation.
However the GB is operating in name of a community, and the opinion of 
the  community is important.
In this moment there are 40 people in this mailing list and more than 70 
in the supporters mailing list.

What do you think would be the effect of having :
5 positive votes (+1)
25 negative votes (-1)

Every negative vote must be clearly motivated.
And GB must careful evaluate every binding and not-binding vote.

I hope we will use this submission to discuss about the rules for voting 
and how the GB should manage the affairs of AALOA.
I will send send another email on this , well under the Christmas 
vacation there is the risk of a short discussion ...

but let's try ...

Best,
Francesco


Il 17/12/2010 17.25, Luca Odetti ha scritto:


Correction: it's not my "vote", it's my opinion
:-)

Ciao
Luca



Il giorno 16/dic/2010, alle ore 15:00, "Francesco Furfari" 
 ha scritto:


>  Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,
>
> I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal
> concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.
>
> I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate
> the needed resources for its software development.
>
> As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will
> abstain from voting on this issue.
> I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding vote,
> their comments are very welcome.
>
> Kind regards,
> Francesco.
> 
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Re: [aaloa promoters] Nominating the temporary governing board -- STATUS

[Francesco Furfari]

  
  
Welcome on board Sergio and Laura

BRs
Francesco


Il 16/12/2010 9.44, *GUILLEN BARRIONUEVO, SERGIO GUSTAVO ha scritto:

  
  
  
  
  
Dear all
 
I would like to express
my interest to be member of the governing  board of AALOA
representing ITACA Institute, the largest private research
centre in AAL, medical technologies, e-health and assistive
technologies in Spain.
 
I would like to nominate
Larua Beleguer as deputy
 
 
Sorry for the late
response 
 
BR
 
Sergio Guillén
 
Sergio Guillen
Director - CEO
 

 
Univ. Politécnica de Valencia
Edificio G8 - Camino de Vera s/n
46022 Valencia
 
tel:  +34 96 387 76 06
fax :    +34 96 387 72 79
  e-mail: sguil...@itaca.upv.es
http://www.tsb.upv.es
 
  


  

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Re: [aaloa promoters] Java related discussions

[Francesco Furfari]

 Dear Jesus,

I realised only now the Oracle lawsuit against Google, it was in August 
during my vacation :-)



  the Outsourcing proposal of Google (mail, Ipvoice, office
SW suite,..etc) is quite competitive (probably better than the IBM one)


can you send me some pointer on that.


 and embedded systems are at the core of any AmI scenario  :-(


Here is the interesting discussion and the link with our
projects/initiatives, I feel that the embedded systems are more in the
terminal part of AmI rather than in the core. Embedded systems are needed
to reach and interact with the physical world. However, there is not much
difference between the knowledge and intelligence building process in the
physical world and in the digital one (in terms of building relations among
entities to reach conclusions).


Well I was referring to the central role of the devices more than the 
technological aspect.
Maybe I didn't understand your answer. Do you think that cloud computing 
solutions, as virtualization of the user resources accessible 
everywhere,  will be the prominent aspect ?  I'm not sure about this. 
Years ago people talked about the radio programs killed by the TV.  I 
think cloud computing will be only another way to interact with the 
digital world, but not the only one  or the prominent way (I hope). 
Personally I'm more interested to exploit the locality principle of 
people traversing different smart spaces and discovering in each of them 
local services (Location Based Services) ... it should scale better ...  
In this sense embedded devices (i.e.mobile phone) are important because 
they are centered on the user,  they are the probes that help people to 
inspect the physical world, maybe more important of the intelligence 
embedded in the environment ... the problem is that the internet access 
is not free, and only in a world freely connected you can realize the 
AmI scenarios. The Romans built an empire with roads ;-)


Francesco




 Il 22/11/2010 14.09, jesus.berm...@telvent.com ha scritto:

Hi Francesco,


I cannot explain the move of IBM to OpenJDK otherwise. They
rethought their licensing policy ...

The press release came shortly after the official answer from Oracle to
Google. and the Outsourcing proposal of Google (mail, Ipvoice, office
SW suite,..etc) is quite competitive (probably better than the IBM one).The
barrier for Google IT outsourcing offer for non-SMEs is not technical.

Obviously an OpenJDK+Eclipse(and something in Apache) position is under a
much better control than the Apache+Eclipse one. …and Oracle does not seem
to have any problem for assuming the “bad boy” role; They already launched
a pay version of the JVM, the patent threat is in the air and the GPL
license has relevant business implications that reduce the acceptance by
the industry.


 and embedded systems are at the core of any AmI scenario  :-(


Here is the interesting discussion and the link with our
projects/initiatives, I feel that the embedded systems are more in the
terminal part of AmI rather than in the core. Embedded systems are needed
to reach and interact with the physical world. However, there is not much
difference between the knowledge and intelligence building process in the
physical world and in the digital one (in terms of building relations among
entities to reach conclusions).
This movement has many implications when we are entering in the petabytes
era
...and Java dynamic modularity issues (linked to OSGi) are being discussed
for Java 8.


By the way I'm not optimist like Stephen Colebourne about the
results of the vote.
In the end many will vote on the technical merits of the JSR.

I agree,..but I also feel that many (probably out of the JCP EC) will
realise that this is not a JSR discussion.

Best regards,
-Jesus-



promoters-boun...@aaloa.org escribió el 21/11/2010 19:17:10:


Francesco Furfari
Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org
21/11/2010 19:18

Para:

"promoters@aaloa.org"

cc:

Asunto:

Re: [aaloa promoters] Java related discussions

Jesus,

in my opinion it is enough simple to say that ASF is right,  and the
behaviour of Sun/Oracle undermines all the Java community process.
If you see the old voting on Java 6,  many partners like IBM, RedHat
and Intel agreed on the position of ASF.

But now, what is not clear to me are the moves mainly at IBM and
then Eclipse. With my limited understanding of the strategies of the
big players, I could interpret the events  as Oracle was afraid of
the parallel market opened by Google/Android. Harmony project was
used mainly by Android project and they built a non standard JVM, so
this could be the "undisclosed" truth , they want to have control on
the java specification and ASL2.0 is too permissive.  However the
point is that the same problems of Harmony there will be with the
OpenJDK project, that is GPL based.   What does Oracle think to do
with OpenJDK? if they provide a TCK  license withou

Re: [aaloa promoters] Java related discussions

[Francesco Furfari]

 Jesus,

in my opinion it is enough simple to say that ASF is right,  and the 
behaviour of Sun/Oracle undermines all the Java community process.
If you see the old voting on Java 6,  many partners like IBM, RedHat and 
Intel agreed on the position of ASF.


But now, what is not clear to me are the moves mainly at IBM and  then 
Eclipse. With my limited understanding of the strategies of the big 
players, I could interpret the events  as Oracle was afraid of the 
parallel market opened by Google/Android. Harmony project was used 
mainly by Android project and they built a non standard JVM, so this 
could be the "undisclosed" truth , they want to have control on the java 
specification and ASL2.0 is too permissive.  However the point is that 
the same problems of Harmony there will be with the OpenJDK project, 
that is GPL based.   What does Oracle think to do with OpenJDK? if they 
provide a TCK  license without the restriction imposed to ASF for the 
embedded system, then it is clear that  it is a war against ASF or their 
license model.


I cannot explain the move of IBM to OpenJDK otherwise. They rethought 
their licensing policy ...


In the justification of the Eclipse vote they said: "If Java does not 
start to progress as a platform, it will die."
I fear that if they slow down the spread of Java on embedded systems, 
then Android or even other languages will prevail.

 and embedded systems are at the core of any AmI scenario  :-(

By the way I'm not optimist like Stephen Colebourne about the results of 
the vote.

In the end many will vote on the technical merits of the JSR.

Francesco




Il 20/11/2010 23.57, jesus.berm...@telvent.com ha scritto:


Dear all,

As you probably know interesting Java 7 discussions are running 
outside. This is probably one of the interesting discussion tracks,


http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/mike/2010/10/13/java-7-vote/

At a personal level, and taking into account Java 8 discussion topics 
and trends, I feel that this agreement


http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/176988

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/32708.wss#release

combined with the Oracle position concerning the TCK are impacting 
importantly in the future of our projects and/or initiatives.


Is there any point of view on this topic?

 Best regards,

-Jesus-


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[aaloa promoters] New members -- promoters

[Francesco Furfari]

  Hello everybody,

I'm pleased to announce that:

Paul Panek 
Antonio Zanesco 
Edoardo Benelli 

joined AALOA

Best regards,
Francesco

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[aaloa promoters] New members

[Francesco Furfari]

  Hello everybody,

I'm pleased to announce that:

Gottfried Zimmermann form Access Technologies Group, Germany
Babak Farshchian from SINTEF, Norway
Luca Odetti from Tecnalia, Italy

joined AALOA

Best regards,
Francesco

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Re: [aaloa promoters] Preparing a Joint announcement with the OpenURC community

[Francesco Furfari]

 Dear Joe, Thomas, and All,

1)  "focus"
in this context the term focus is used to say that this is not the only 
investigation carried out by such communities.


2) "will"
the future tense is perhaps motivated by the AALOA community status, 
that's just starting. However, as far  as I know, OpenURC community is 
more or less in the same situation. Note that the URC consortium is 
another thing (@ Antonio you know better than me the situation)


3) "rely"
 In principle I would say that we will adopt existing standards when it 
is possible, otherwise promoting new standards or extending old ones if 
needed.


4) "AALOA components"
I fully agree with Thomas. My concern was about the non  availability of 
such components and the long process that indeed they entail. By reading 
the text, it would seem that the roadmap about the architecture of AALOA 
components is already fixed (by someone). On the contrary the AALOA is 
striving to create an open process, where analysis and comparison of 
different solutions is an inspiring tenet.
However if we consider this as a "pre-marketing" action, to create 
expectation, then referring to AALOA components could make sense.



Joe I would suggest you to provide an alternative  version or rephrasing 
of the announcement ( of similar size) .


Francesco



Il 27/09/2010 10.02, Joe Gorman ha scritto:

Dear all,

I have read the proposed statements about URC/AALOA.

I support the idea that the tow organisations should seek to co-operate while at the same 
time each having their "own" field of activity.

However, I am a bit concerned that the existing wording is not clear enough.  I 
found I had to read it several times, and in the end was not quite sure where 
the boundaries would be.

Some specific issues:

1.  It says "URC will focus on".  URC has existed for a long time, and a 
lot of people know it.
When you use the word "will", as future tense, it raises a question 
about whether URC is now going to change direction.
   Is that the case?  I am not sure.

2.  Use of the word "focus".  I have learned that this word can sometimes be 
imprecise.  Does it mean "will spend most if its efforts
working on - but still be allowed to do other things" (in the same way that when 
you "focus" on something in a photograph, the other
elements are still visible, even if a bit fuzzy)  OR does it mean "will work 
on this and nothing else"?
I feel unsure which is meant in the context of this message.

3.  Both say "it will rely on standards".   This may just be an issue of the use of 
English:  "rely" gives the strong impression that URC and AALOA will
   have to hope that other people develop then needed standards.  Is that 
what is meant?

So, even though the parties involved may have a clear idea what they mean, I fear that an 
"outsider" reading this will still be unsure of where the boundary is.

JOE





On 27/09/2010 01:07 , "Francesco Furfari"  wrote:

   Dear All,

  I have a question of interest for the temporary governing board of AALOA and 
all the promoters.
  I will call a vote on that, so I kindly ask all the promoters to read 
carefully the content of this message,
  and to post here any doubt about this operation. Below you find also my 
personal comments

  At the AAL Forum,  Antonio Kung, Stefano Chessa, me and Jan Alexandersson ( 
Head AAL Competence Center
  DFKI GmbH)   had an interesting discussion about a joint announcement to 
publish during the MonAMI workshop
  at the 5th European Conference on Smart Sensing and Context (14-16 Nov, 
Passau, Germany)

  You can read the story in the attached message, but for your convenience 
below there is the agreed statement
  -



(1) As an initiative for the building of an open source accessibility 
framework, OpenURC will focus on features for personalised and accessible user 
interfaces. This involves discovery of devices and targets, and flexible 
deployment and management of adaptors. It will rely on the specification of 
standards for device descriptions and user interface descriptions.

(2)  As an initiative for the building of an open source service framework, 
AALOA will focus on features for ambient awareness, and for the flexible 
deployment and management of assisted living services. It will rely on the 
specification of standards allowing services to interact with ambient 
environments.

  (3) Integrating each other contribution

The two initiatives see a potential for sharing developed features and 
specification so that OpenURC-based platforms can integrate AALOA components, 
and AALOA-based platforms can integrate OpenURC-based components.

  (4) Towards convergence

They further agree to undertake a discussion in order to work towards a common 
architecture.


---

[aaloa promoters] New members

[Francesco Furfari]

 Hello everybody,

I'm pleased to announce that:

Brian O'Mullane  from CASALA, Ireland
María Teresa Arredondo Waldmeyer and Dario Salvi from  LST-UPM, Spain

joined AALOA

Best regards,
Francesco

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Re: [aaloa promoters] Nominating the temporary governing board

[Francesco Furfari]

 Good morning,

waiting for other people to express their opinion,  let me do two 
examples on the activities of such exec committee.

 - *project proposals*:
the committee should approve project proposals. CNR, Fh-IGD, 
Itaca-UPVand Sintef  will provide the needed resources, but we need the 
opinion of a larger committee. So even individuals can participate, in 
this case  the only resource they will spend is their time to evaluate 
the proposal (e.g one page abstract)


- *agreement with other organizations*:
Few days ago thanks to Reiner we have received the Support of Ami'10 
organization (http://www.ami-10.org/) (we are linked) . Any contact and 
agreement with other organizations should be discussed and proposed to 
members of such committee.

We have many contacts in view e.g. Open URC, OHT, Continua, EFMI  and so on.

Last I would like to present the committee to the AAL Forum next week. 
(15/9)


Summarizing we are:
Saied + Reiner (Fh-IGD)
Joe + Bruno (Sintef)
Antonio + Bruno (Trialog)

What about the others?
Sergio, Juan  Pablo, Francois, Marco, Sten,Thomas, Gunnar, ...  ?  the 
roll call is long :-)  and I know some  people is travelling to Odense.


Francesco








Mohammad-Reza Tazari wrote:
I think that the supporters and promoters mailing lists along with the 
temporary governing board provide us altogether even with three level 
of commitment for the incubation phase, which I find fine. In this 
phase, a coherent set of by-laws and governing rules must be defined 
according to which the legal entity to be established will work. How 
it will be in those by-laws, is IMO still under discussion.


Regards,

-- Saied

Francesco Furfari wrote on 10-Sep-10 09:21:

  Thank you François.

As in the Manifesto we suggest to organize the association with two
boards, I would clarify soon one aspect of this phase.

IMO any organization we decide now, it is only to steer this community
towards the incorporation of an association according the legal
framework of some European state. In the end the bodies foreseen for the
real association could be very different.

That said, I agree with François, we need two level of commitments. But
I think we already have the first council or college, it is the
promoters list (more or less 25 people). The people who decided to join
this list is motivated to discuss of the organization of AALOA, but
because it will be often tedious and only sometimes exciting, I don't
expect to receive a contribute every time from all those we are. But a
minimal level of cohesion already exists, that's this mailing list was
created right to differentiate this group from the supporters group.
Nevertheless always volunteers we are.

Now because the option of François (that's co-optation of two bodies) is
an alternative, I would like to know what do you think.

1) Do you see a vantage in nominating a council of volunteers and and
executive committee ? e.g. a smaller group of people ..

2) Can we consider the promoters list the council and proceed only with
the nomination of the executive committee?


Francesco



Il 07/09/2010 14.49, Francois Letellier ha scritto:

Dear all,

surely we don't want to "overengineer" the governance of the curently
incepted AALOA.

Still I sugest a very lightweight organization with two organs:
- a council (or call it college, or advisory board...) of people who
volunteer to help in discussing matters but cannot necessarily
dedicate manpower or resources - nor make commitments in this respect.
This council might be composed of coopted volunteers (any number per
organization, since the role of the council would only to discuss a
wide range of topics). Cooptation makes sense to keep the group open,
while still keeping some level of cohesion.
- a more operational organ (call it an executive committee ?) composed
of people whose participation in AALOA might fit in their job
description, who might have to report on its progress and,
consequently, might be able to dedicate a "predicatable" fraction of
their time (%FTE) to the association. Typically, this second body
should not count more than one representative per organization,
keeping in mind that the mecanism of proxies can always be used.

In any event, at this point, a consensus based decision process is to
be prefered. Formal votes should only be used in the second organ
(exec committee) only when no consensus can be reached.

My 2 cents


On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Francesco Furfari
mailto:francesco.furf...@isti.cnr.it>>
wrote:

sure volunteers.

Let me also add that sometime the lazy consensus used by Apache
community works very fine.
When a new member is invited to join to a software project, at
least 3 favourable votes should be collect to accept the new 
member.

It helps the board by avoiding a boring counting of the people. Of
course if there is one negative vote it works as a veto. So people
start to d

Re: [aaloa promoters] Nominating the temporary governing board

[Francesco Furfari]

 Thank you François.

As in the Manifesto we suggest to organize the association with two 
boards, I would clarify soon one aspect of this phase.


IMO any organization we decide now, it is only to steer this community 
towards the incorporation of an association according the legal 
framework of some European state. In the end the bodies foreseen for the 
real association could be very different.


That said, I agree with François, we need two level of commitments. But 
I think we already have the first council or college, it is the 
promoters list (more or less 25 people). The people who decided to join 
this list is motivated to discuss of the organization of AALOA, but 
because it will be often tedious and only sometimes exciting, I don't 
expect to receive a contribute every time from all those we are. But a 
minimal level of cohesion already exists, that's this mailing list was 
created right to differentiate this group from the supporters group. 
Nevertheless always volunteers we are.


Now because  the option of François (that's co-optation of two bodies) 
is an alternative, I would like to know  what do you think.


1) Do you see a vantage in nominating a council of volunteers and and 
executive committee ? e.g. a smaller group of people ..


2) Can we consider the promoters list the council and proceed only with 
the nomination of the executive committee?



Francesco



Il 07/09/2010 14.49, Francois Letellier ha scritto:

Dear all,

surely we don't want to "overengineer" the governance of the curently 
incepted AALOA.


Still I sugest a very lightweight organization with two organs:
- a council (or call it college, or advisory board...) of people who 
volunteer to help in discussing matters but cannot necessarily 
dedicate manpower or resources - nor make commitments in this respect. 
This council might be composed of coopted volunteers (any number per 
organization, since the role of the council would only to discuss a 
wide range of topics). Cooptation makes sense to keep the group open, 
while still keeping some level of cohesion.
- a more operational organ (call it an executive committee ?) composed 
of people whose participation in AALOA might fit in their job 
description, who might have to report on its progress and, 
consequently, might be able to dedicate a "predicatable" fraction of 
their time (%FTE) to the association. Typically, this second body 
should not count more than one representative per organization, 
keeping in mind that the mecanism of proxies can always be used.


In any event, at this point, a consensus based decision process is to 
be prefered. Formal votes should only be used in the second organ 
(exec committee) only when no consensus can be reached.


My 2 cents


On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Francesco Furfari 
mailto:francesco.furf...@isti.cnr.it>> 
wrote:


 sure volunteers.

Let me also add that sometime the lazy consensus used by Apache
community works very fine.
When a new member is invited to join to a software project, at
least 3 favourable votes should be collect to accept the new member.
It helps the board by avoiding a boring counting of the people. Of
course if there is one negative vote it works as a veto. So people
start to discuss until a consensus is reached, that's veto is
cancelled.
This rule cannot be used for example for modification of a
by-laws, but it works as facilitate asynchronous communication.
I would avoid  to use one more doodle poll every time we need to
take a decision that should be fast ... especially now that we are
growing.

In Apache there is a distinction among binding votes  and non
binding votes. In this case people of the board have binding
votes, but non-binding votes are important as well, they represent
the community involved in the project activities. They are however
taken into account, and opinion expressed by a of non-binding vote
is always commented and discussed.

With respect the shaping of AALOA, I think we will discuss all the
issues related to statute, by-laws organization in working groups
here with the promoters mailing list, and any final decision will
be communicated to the supporters list for getting their comments.
 The governing board for the moment has very few things to decide
:-) so it is only an official way to represent AALOA to the
external world and to allocate resources to people who want open a
project within AALOA community.


Said that, I agree to have one person for organization and CNR in
this case does not request an exception (thanks Saied)

So please volunteers wanted :-)

francesco




Il 07/09/2010 8.19, Joe Gorman ha scritto:

I had been just about to write a message saying that I think
we should have just one representative from any one
organisation (otherwise it can look unf

Re: [aaloa promoters] Nominating the temporary governing board

[Francesco Furfari]

 sure volunteers.

Let me also add that sometime the lazy consensus used by Apache 
community works very fine.
When a new member is invited to join to a software project, at least 3 
favourable votes should be collect to accept the new member.
It helps the board by avoiding a boring counting of the people. Of 
course if there is one negative vote it works as a veto. So people start 
to discuss until a consensus is reached, that's veto is cancelled.
This rule cannot be used for example for modification of a by-laws, but 
it works as facilitate asynchronous communication.
I would avoid  to use one more doodle poll every time we need to take a 
decision that should be fast ... especially now that we are growing.


In Apache there is a distinction among binding votes  and non binding 
votes. In this case people of the board have binding votes, but 
non-binding votes are important as well, they represent the community 
involved in the project activities. They are however taken into account, 
and opinion expressed by a of non-binding vote is always commented and 
discussed.


With respect the shaping of AALOA, I think we will discuss all the 
issues related to statute, by-laws organization in working groups here 
with the promoters mailing list, and any final decision will be 
communicated to the supporters list for getting their comments.  The 
governing board for the moment has very few things to decide :-) so it 
is only an official way to represent AALOA to the external world and to 
allocate resources to people who want open a project within AALOA community.



Said that, I agree to have one person for organization and CNR in this 
case does not request an exception (thanks Saied)


So please volunteers wanted :-)

francesco




Il 07/09/2010 8.19, Joe Gorman ha scritto:

I had been just about to write a message saying that I think we should have just one 
representative from any one organisation (otherwise it can look unfair, especially for 
anything needing a vote).  I had also been going to say that each official representative 
should have a recognised "deputy", to attend meetings etc. when the main 
representative is unavailable.  But I don't need to say that now, as Saied already 
suggested it!

The only other thing I would add is that the governing board should be made up only of 
"volunteers".  So: the fact that an organisation is listed as a promoter  
should not mean that we automatically insist on that organisation being represented on 
the board.  They would be allowed, but not required.  So we should ask for people who 
actively volunteer for this role e.g. by responding to a request from you, Francesco.

For SINTEF, I volunteer to be the representative, with Marius as my alternate.

.   Joe



On 6/09/2010 14:15 , "Mohammad-Reza Tazari"  
wrote:

Oh, sorry Francesco, my mistake (to have forgotten the initial email,
now attached)! This is why I simply referred to the web site...

Looking at the member list in the attached email + Ricardo Serafin @ TSB
+ Juan Carlos Naranjo Martinez&  Laura Belenguer Querol @ ITACA + Marco
Eichelberg @ OFFIS, there are 27 people from 13 orgs.

I would suggest to have only one representative from each organization,
MAYBE just with exception for CNR-ISTI, in order to have a size that
reaches more easily a majority (assuming 2/3) when meeting and telcos
are organized. This way, the upper-limit for the size of the board will
be 14, depending on if all orgs do want to be present in the board. The
following numbers should help to have an imagination of what it means
for our meetings and telcos:

sizemin. # of members necessary for meetings

 10  7
 11-12   8
 13  9
 14  10

But, I suggest that each official board member from each org can
nominate just a second person as possible proxy to increase the chance
that all orgs are presented when meetings and telcos are organized.

Regards,

-- Saied

Francesco Furfari wrote on 06-Sep-10 13:14:

Dear Said,

yes, but personally I would not limit the size of governing board, being
temporary, to 10 people.
The four organizations cited in the website are willing to spend some
resources for incubating AALOA, but we haven't to limit the
participation to them.

In general in this mailing list we have individuals that don't represent
formally organizations, I'm thinking to Francois Letellier or to Thomas
Karopka to name a few. But I think their point of views can enrich the
governing board to take the right decisions.

Furthermore, I think that people belonging to the governing board will
have binding vote, but I would get the opinion of all the AALOA
subscribers.

francesco



Il 06/09/2010 11.35, Mohammad-Reza Tazari ha scritto:

Hi everybody,

from Fh-IGD, Reiner&  me would like to join the

Re: [aaloa promoters] Nominating the temporary governing board

[Francesco Furfari]

 Dear Said,

yes, but personally I would not limit the size of governing board, being 
temporary,  to 10 people.
The four organizations cited in the website are willing to spend some 
resources for incubating AALOA, but we haven't to limit the 
participation to them.


In general in this mailing list we have individuals that don't represent 
formally organizations, I'm thinking to Francois Letellier or to Thomas 
Karopka to name a few. But I think their point of views  can enrich the 
governing board to take the right decisions.


Furthermore, I think that  people belonging to the governing board will 
have binding vote, but I would get the opinion of all the AALOA subscribers.


francesco



Il 06/09/2010 11.35, Mohammad-Reza Tazari ha scritto:

Hi everybody,

from Fh-IGD, Reiner & me would like to join the temporary governing 
board.


Just to make sure: taking the list under 
http://www.aaloa.org/team/role_of_promoters (CNR-ISTI, Fh-IGD, ITACA, 
and SINTEF) and the newest announcement that Marco Eichelberg from 
OFFIS has also joined this list (welcome on board, Marco!), with the 
suggestion by Francesco, there will be at most 10 people as members of 
the temporary governing board. Is that right?


Regards,

-- Saied

Francesco Furfari wrote on 06-Sep-10 09:42:

Hello to everybody,

an important issue we discussed in Lisbon was about the appointment of a
temporary governing board.
I hope all of you are now returned and relaxed from their summer
vacation to proceed with the board nomination.
I would like to report in the slides presenting AALOA initiative at AAL
Forum the names of the people composing the temporary governing board.

I have not got a specific procedure in mind. Maybe we could consider to
include not more than 2 people from the same organization.
Then we should only propose our candidature.

WDYT? any other hint?
francesco


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[aaloa promoters] Nominating the temporary governing board

[Francesco Furfari]

 Hello to everybody,

an important issue we discussed in Lisbon was about the appointment of a 
temporary governing board.
I hope all of you are now returned and relaxed from their summer 
vacation to proceed with the board nomination.
I would like to report in the slides presenting AALOA initiative at AAL 
Forum the names of the people composing the temporary governing board.


I have not got a specific procedure in mind. Maybe we could consider to 
include not more than 2 people from the same organization.

Then we should only propose our candidature.

WDYT? any other hint?
francesco


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[aaloa promoters] New member

[Francesco Furfari]

 Dear All,

I'm pleased to announce you that:

Marco Eichelberg from OFFIS

joined also the promoters list.

Best Regards,
francesco


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[Francesco Furfari]

Hello,
I 'm pleased to inform you two more people from ITACA joined AALOA.

Juan Carlos Naranjo  Martinez 
Laura Belenguer Querol 

Best regards,
francesco

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I'm pleased to announce we have a new member
Ricardo Serafin   from  TSB Tecnologías para 
la Salud y el Bienestar joined the mailing list


Best regards
francesco




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[aaloa promoters] Welcome to AALOA promoters mailing list.

[Francesco Furfari]

Dear Colleague,

You have been subscribed to the *public* mailing list of the AALOA 
promoters.
To unsubscribe from this mailing list please use the follow link :
http://aaloa.org/mailman/listinfo/promoters

June 29th 2010 during the Lisbon workshop 
(http://aal-ws.fraunhofer.pt/eu-policy-ws-program/)
The following people:
Jesus Bermejo, Juan Pablo Lazaro, Francesco Potort?, Sergio Guillen, 
Antonio Kung, Francois Letellier, Saied Tazari, Marius Mikalsen and me 
(Francesco Furfari) discussed about the organization of AALOA and the 
first actions to do for defining a roadmap for AALOA.
In brief we decided:
1) To activate the mailing list "promoters" and "supporters" of AALOA as 
*public* mailing lists
2) To organize a temporary governing board in order to accept project 
proposals
3) To prepare a "communication" plan of AALOA to generate and to keep 
live the interest on AALOA.

A part CNR the people currently subscribed to this mailing list are:

Saied Tazari
Reiner Wichert 
Sergio Guillen 
Juan Pablo Lazaro Ramos 
Joe Gorman 
Marius Mikalsen 
Antonio Kung 
Gunnar Fagerberg 
Sten Hanke 
Andreas Hochgatterer 
Jesus Bermejo 
Francois Letellier 
Thomas Karopka 
C?sar Iglesias D?az-Bastien 

 From the CNR (the hosting institution) the following people are 
subscribed and will also provide support for the access to the AALOA 
resources:
I hope soon other partners will nominate people responsible for 
administration tasks in order to lighten the CNR effort.

Francesco Furfari 
Francesco Potort? 
Giovanni Lombardi 
Stefano Lenzi 
Gabriele Oligeri 
Paolo Barsocchi 
Alberto Gotta 
Stefano Chessa 
Erina Ferro 

In the next days a forum version of the mailing list will be embedded in 
the AALOA website by using http://www.nabble.com/.

So it is time to discuss of whatever you want !!
enjoy,
francesco
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Francesco Furfari
Institute of Information Science and Technologies ?A. Faedo? (ISTI)
National Research Council (CNR)
Wireless Networks Laboratory
Via G. Moruzzi, 1 ? 56124 Pisa, Italy
Phone +39 050 315 3069 Fax +39 050 315 2040

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