Has anyone reading this received fabricated boards with no inner plane
clearance? Was it from an established fabricator? (I'd be surprised if it
*never* happened, but I would also be surprised if it was at all common.)
Abd,
Yes, I have received boards with no clearance. My mistake on my
On 10:25 PM 8/11/2001 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
..snip..
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax has also recently mentioned that blind and buried
vias are sometimes inappropriately displayed.
Actually, they are *always* inappropriately displayed. Either you have
multilayer turned off, in which case no vias
On 10:37 AM 9/11/2001 +, Stephen Casey said:
Has anyone reading this received fabricated boards with no inner plane
clearance? Was it from an established fabricator? (I'd be surprised if it
*never* happened, but I would also be surprised if it was at all common.)
Abd,
Yes, I have
Hi folks
I have a problem with polygons! I can't select the propertise to change
them. I can't adjust the vertices, I can't delet them, I can't move them.
It's as though they weren't there. I can see them but I can't touch them!
I've never had this problem before. What do I have to do to regain
Abdul-Rahman
Yes I have seen an inner plane layer come all the way out to an edge.
The design was supposed to be better for RF, but made no difference
in board performance. The two outside layers were plated aound the edge
and shorted ( on purpose ) to the inner layer. This was a
Tim,
I have experienced similar difficulties from time to time, typically
I can click around a little bit and finally get the vertices to highlight
using the Move Polygon vertices command. Remember that the vertices may
actually be in an area where there is no polygon pour because it was
Sean
I have used Protel for Chip and Wire, but it was Ver 2.8.
If you can use that out date info, contact me off-forum.
Bob Fearon
Sean James wrote:
Has anybody attempted to do chip wire (hybrid layouts) with Protel?
Sean James
PCB Designer
Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc.
102 Grove
Tim,
Just as a precaution I create my polygons with a trackwidth other than
any already used on the board. If they lose their inteligence for some
reason I can always select the culprits for easy identification/deletion and
rebuild. Its a holdover from earlier versions of Protel that I have
Brad isn't the only one to return from vacation to hear this most
disappointing news.
I'm a little shocked...from what I can tell, we are basically going to have
to pay for our technical support and service packs from now on. A whopping
$2K a year. Apparantly with penalty if you don't
Sean,
I have designed both MCMs and Hybrids with both Protel and PCAD. You can
give me a call Monday 301 620 0080 and maybe I can guide you thru. I am
not in my office today.
Mike Reagan
EDSI
Frederick Md
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From: Bob Fearon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:
Any help or information would be greatly appreciated. My only other option
is to by a 3rd party add-on for AutoCAD (I used to do chip wire in ACAD
without any intelligence; not easy and a big PITA).
Sean James
PCB Designer
Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc.
102 Grove Street
Worcester, MA 01605
(TEL)
At 09:44 AM 11/9/01 -0700, Bob Fearon wrote:
Abdul-Rahman
Yes I have seen an inner plane layer come all the way out to an edge.
The design was supposed to be better for RF, but made no difference
in board performance. The two outside layers were plated aound the edge
and
My 2 cents worth, since we do this regularily.
The edge plating will make a significant difference in board
emmisions with GHz frequency signals depending on the board material used.
It gets worse the higher your frequencies go. The problem is that the board
material is a dielectric and
At 02:48 PM 11/9/01 -0500, Sean James wrote:
Well everybody, Accel/PCAD did the same exact thing by changing their
pricing. Who owns Accel/PCAD and Protel?
Yes, Altium, nee Protel, owns both. BUT the Accel pricing boost was while
Accel Technologies was independent. It was my impression that
My experience with planes-to-the-edge has been this... to date, no one
has ever sent me a board that has both power and ground all the way out
to the edge whether I pulled the planes back in the gerbers or not.
It appears to be pretty much SOP. However, I have received almost
all the boards that
What a huge mass of confusion this ATS nonsense has caused. I now know
nothing about the future of Protel or its products, whereas before all this
I *thought* I knew there was a PCB software provider that provided free
services packs and tech support, and I could choose whether or not and when
At 04:36 PM 11/9/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
What a huge mass of confusion this ATS nonsense has caused.
Yes, the announcement was *very* badly done. The Press Release was directly
contradicted by USA Protel sales.
I'd suggest that Altium *communicate* -- this means back and forth
and to add another question to the confusion
What happens if you have two Protel Licenses and buy 1 ATS?
It might be affordable then.
Rob
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Rob,
try my quandry, 5 licenses and a bunch of rogue engineers who care
not about licenses, support or anything else as long as they can get a
design out the door. If they can't get the design out the door then they all
want to instantly buy some other program that minute.
Sincerely,
At 05:39 PM 11/9/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and to add another question to the confusion
What happens if you have two Protel Licenses and buy 1 ATS?
It might be affordable then.
It might be illegal then
Sure, you'd get the CD for the upgrade, but if you really want to save
On 04:29 PM 9/11/2001 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
..PCAD stuff snipped..
Now, to ATS for Protel. Today, you can buy from Accel Technologies (the
U.S. Protel rep, we've gone full circle) the upgrade from Protel 98 to
Protel 99SE for $1995. Essentially, a Protel 98 user can buy ATS for that
On 04:34 PM 9/11/2001 +, Coleman, Tim said:
Hi folks
I have a problem with polygons! I can't select the propertise to change
them. I can't adjust the vertices, I can't delet them, I can't move them.
It's as though they weren't there. I can see them but I can't touch them!
I've never had this
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