Re: [PEDA] Static Sensitive Symbols or Handle With static Protection

2002-10-10 Thread Ben Uijtenhaak
Bob, I have one in the download section of http://www.geocities.com/uytenhaak/pcb/ regards, Ben Uijtenhaak -Original Message- From: Robert M. Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: donderdag 10 oktober 2002 2:11 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Static Sensitive Symbols or Handle

Re: [PEDA] Static Sensitive Symbols or Handle With static Protection

2002-10-10 Thread Robert M. Wolfe
Ben, Thank you very much!! Thanks to all that helped But this made it easiest. Bob Wolfe - Original Message - From: Ben Uijtenhaak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:59 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Static Sensitive Symbols or Handle With

[PEDA] trouble with change layer [* key ] during manual routing

2002-10-10 Thread Anand Kulkarni
Hi everyone , I am trying to manually route a 6 layer board . Right now I have the components that I need to route on the board. I started to use the interactive routing mode; bu twhen I press the '*' key to change layers instead of a via I get a crash that advises me to exit the application.

Re: [PEDA] trouble with change layer [* key ] during manual routing

2002-10-10 Thread Wojciech Oborski
Anand Kulkarni wrote: Hi everyone , I am trying to manually route a 6 layer board . Right now I have the components that I need to route on the board. I started to use the interactive routing mode; bu twhen I press the '*' key to change layers instead of a via I get a crash that advises me

Re: [PEDA] flipping board

2002-10-10 Thread John A. Ross \[Design\]
- Original Message - From: Jun Gong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Protel Developers Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Open Topic Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:23 PM Subject: [PEDA] flipping board Hi, Any one knows how to flip a board in

Re: [PEDA] flipping board - thanks to you guys

2002-10-10 Thread Jun Gong
Woohhh, I am really surprised by so many articles on this topic when I returned to work this morning. Thank you, Jami, Ian, and all guys! Jun Gong ps: Ian, I am new to the forum, and I don't know that devforum is inactive. If you feel it's rude to submit the issue to more than 1 forum, I

Re: [PEDA] flipping board

2002-10-10 Thread Rick Wilson (Protta)
-Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:20 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] flipping board On 02:35 PM 10/10/2002 +0930, Terry Creer said: Heh! sorry 'bout that - I couldn't help it :) But seriously - Most of the

Re: [PEDA] flipping board

2002-10-10 Thread Rick Wilson (Protta)
Ian, I must apologies. When I ran the process I mentioned in my e-mail, I would have sworn the Component pads were in the correct positions when the components were flipped onto the back of the board. I went back and tried to recreate the process I mentioned, and you are absolutely correct.

Re: [PEDA] signal integrity

2002-10-10 Thread rlamoreaux
It always says that there are warnings about my PCB, however it seems to work fine when I let it continue. I assume that these are undefined integrity (IBIS or similar) libraries. Actually they are probably loops in the tracks. These loops may be under pads and thus hard to find. I ran into

Re: [PEDA] signal integrity

2002-10-10 Thread Bevan Weiss
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] signal integrity It always says that there are warnings about my PCB, however it seems to work fine when I let it continue. I assume that

Re: [PEDA] signal integrity

2002-10-10 Thread rlamoreaux
the copper. I fixed the loops and SI worked great. So I should probably get DXP back to find these kind of errors... Well it does do a bit better job at it, and from the sounds of it the first Service pack will fix almost all the issues and requests for improvements. Once you take over

Re: [PEDA] signal integrity

2002-10-10 Thread Bevan Weiss
Once you take over a net you can double click on a pin in the net and change the model and stimulus for that pin. Is there a way to assign a component a whole IBIS file (ie the IBIS file for that component includign pins etc) as opposed to just each individual pin?? I was thinking

Re: [PEDA] flipping board

2002-10-10 Thread Michael Reagan (EDSI)
The only thing left now is Jun is now producing a design counter to IPC guidelines for documentation, Primary side is on the bottom. - Original Message - From: Rick Wilson (Protta) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:03 AM

[PEDA] Solder Mask Polygon ?

2002-10-10 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
Hello, So far the extent of my solder mask control has been either altering the solder mask expansion rule or else just telling the board shop to leave it off (for later heat sink application). But now I've got I've got a big rectangular area (with a corner notch taken out) on the board that I

Re: [PEDA] signal integrity

2002-10-10 Thread JaMi Smith
Robert and Bevan, While I have not done any playing around with Protels Signal Integrity capability, primarily because I haven't had the time and I know it will take some study time to understand it's implementation and proper usage, and secondarily because I know that models are somehow

Re: [PEDA] Solder Mask Polygon ?

2002-10-10 Thread Jeff Adolphs
Miker, I would think you are correct with the polygon fill. Just like the case of a polygon fill on the ground plane. You could do a Gerber File to check the Soldermask. Regards, Jeff Adolphs Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc. -Original Message- From: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PEDA] Solder Mask Polygon ?

2002-10-10 Thread Peter Bennett
Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: Hello, So far the extent of my solder mask control has been either altering the solder mask expansion rule or else just telling the board shop to leave it off (for later heat sink application). But now I've got I've got a big rectangular area (with a

Re: [PEDA] Solder Mask Polygon ?

2002-10-10 Thread Brad Velander
It sure will Mike. You can use pads, lines, fills or polygons on a soldermask layer to create voids in the mask. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PEDA] Solder Mask Polygon ?

2002-10-10 Thread Robison Michael R CNIN
Thanks, Jeff. Checking the Gerber after doing it is a good idea. I hadn't thought of that as a way of verifying the results. miker -Original Message- From: Jeff Adolphs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:25 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Solder

Re: [PEDA] signal integrity

2002-10-10 Thread Bevan Weiss
It's very easy to use, you just set up what the output device is, what the input device is (in terms of pins) on a particular net. You set up the output and input device family Then you can transmit a waveform (rising edge, falling edge, clock) down the line. And get the waveform at each node.

Re: [PEDA] trouble with change layer [* key ] during manual routing

2002-10-10 Thread Ian Wilson
On 04:10 PM 10/10/2002 +0200, Wojciech Oborski said: Anand Kulkarni wrote: Hi everyone , I am trying to manually route a 6 layer board . Right now I have the components that I need to route on the board. I started to use the interactive routing mode; bu twhen I press the '*' key to change layers

Re: [PEDA] Solder Mask Polygon ?

2002-10-10 Thread Ian Wilson
On 01:35 PM 10/10/2002 -0700, Brad Velander said: It sure will Mike. You can use pads, lines, fills or polygons on a soldermask layer to create voids in the mask. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Mike, Since you want a rectangular void in the mask - I suggest a fill rather than a polygon - easier to

Re: [PEDA] Solder Mask Polygon ?

2002-10-10 Thread Ian Capps
Miker Thats correct. Whatever you see won't be there and what you don't see will. Ian - Original Message - From: Robison Michael R CNIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 6:07 AM Subject: [PEDA] Solder Mask Polygon ? Hello,

Re: [PEDA] signal integrity

2002-10-10 Thread Clive . Broome
I did play round with it a while ago, actually testing some of our design centres IBIS models to see if they converted correctly. The engineer involved in writing the models was quite interested and the results I got when running waveforms around 150MHz seemed to give the sort of ringing and