Still waiting for the apology to show up here in the forum though.
It will go much better for whoever it is if they apologize here first.
Problem is that they are probably not monitoring here any more, but then
again I haven't seen any unsubscribe postings either.
And if they areno longer
Igor,
Thanks.
Still kind of curious as to what the difference is in your installation as
opposed to all of the others that have reported it on their systems.
Well, now that it is Monday in some parts of the world, we may get a few
more responses to the KLUNK! posts, and find a few more people
i dusted off an old machine
using File eXit
99SE klunks on Win98 (big X upper right does not)
Protel 98 same as above on win98
Protel AdvPCB (2.8) no klunk
Igor- are you using the File (eXit) as prescribed and not the closed
window X ?
have you pressed the test button for the critical stop in
I traced a nasty set of spikes on the 1.8v supply with my storage scope. The
largest is 0.11v. This drops the 1.8v just
outside the minimum spec for the EP20K200E I'm using.
I'm going re-hook up everything get an FFT plot later this afternoon.
Brian Guralnick
[EMAIL
Lots of message traffic in this KLUNK! thread...
KLUNK! reminds me of the animated cartoon series (Dastardly and Muttley in
Their Flying Machines) that featured WWI-style pilots Dick Dastardly, his
dog Muttley, and 2 screw-up sidekick pilots, one of whom was named Klunk.
Dick Dastardly and his
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Ken Jackson is no longer employed at Kollmogren
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From: Matt Daggett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Cease the spam
Lets not forget that forging headers in an effort to cloak the
Tony,
Before leaving this thread, I would like to recap a few final points:
1. This thread addresses the current practical value of DXP. Your comment,
The overall spin of DXP has been so bad, I think it's scary from their
point of view and if it were me running the show I'd be listening very
Was that because of this issue, or just as a matter of fact?
-Original Message-
From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:57 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Cease the spam
Ken Jackson is no longer employed at Kollmogren
matter of fact
someone else is diddling on former system, It is being looked into
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From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Cease the spam
Was that because of
Hi everyone,
I'm making a 54-BALL VFBGA (8mm x 9mm) package. From a Micron ram chip
MT48V8M16LFFF.
PDF = http://download.micron.com/pdf/datasheets/dram/MobileY95W_3V_E.pdf
In the mechanical package description, it says:
54x /O 0.35 solder ball diameter to post reflow condition. The
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I just ran the PCB Lib ball grid wizard. After making the initial package, I cant
click, select, or, use any keys on the PCB
lib editor window. Even after reboot. All of the other editors in Protel 99se still
work fine. What happened?
Wow, somehow all of my shortcut keys for the
that's pretty small!
i would talk to your assembler, i have found that different ones have
different opinions
Dennis Saputelli
Brian Guralnick wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm making a 54-BALL VFBGA (8mm x 9mm) package. From a Micron ram chip
MT48V8M16LFFF.
PDF =
My friend is a VP there I had him take it to IS, I forwarded the various
info
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From: Matt Daggett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Cease the spam
Did you report the incident to
5. SP7 for 99SE has once again emerged as a topic of interest. The current
SP6 is not perfect, but it is certainly functional. Some serious cleanup
and
a few finishing touches could turn 99SE into a splendid, first-class
program. I wholeheartedly support the idea, and hope that a strong
I assume you clicked on the graphic screen after tooling around in the
left hand list boxes in the pcb lib editor
that often fries me
i have seen the customized shortcut keys mysteriously disappear, not
sure if it was specific to one server though
about the best thing i can suggest is to paw
Brian,
Measuring spikes on the supply lines is not trivial. Where you put the
scope probe ground is everything. The best way to measure is with a
differential probe, placed across the power pins of the chip in question.
Anything less may not give you the true picture.
Don't misunderstand,
What a small world! :)
-Original Message-
From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:59 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Cease the spam
My friend is a VP there I had him take it to IS, I forwarded
the various info
on this day of nine septmember 2002 AD
i hereby predict:
'there will be no SP7 for 99SE'
(hope i am wrong!)
hey ivan, you ought spend a half an hour and play with the DXP demo
i know you're not going to buy it, but we'd love to hear your take on
what you see
Dennis Saputelli
Bagotronix Tech
Yes to a port
Jerry Fisher
Assoc. Engineer
Pelco
10 Corporate Dr.
Orangeburg NY 10962
(845) 398-8700
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-Original Message-
From: Westfeldt, Pat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:05 PM
To: 'proteledaforum'
Subject:[PEDA] bus
You can connect a bus directly to a port/sheet entry.
-Original Message-
From: Westfeldt, Pat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:05 AM
To: 'proteledaforum'
Subject: [PEDA] bus connections
can a bus be connected directly to a port or sheet entry, or
on this day of nine septmember 2002 AD
i hereby predict:
'there will be no SP7 for 99SE'
your middle name wouldn't happen to Nostradamus?
PS. How do you spell This month
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From: Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday,
That will take the part numbers from the BOM in protel, using the reference
designators from the pick and place file and create a text or csv file ?
I simply don't know enough about this type of thing to know if that is
doable.
I need to end up with a pick and place file that has part
Richard,
What I do is make a copy of the .ddb file (renaming it appropriately) and
create the assembly drawing from it. I delete all but the .pcb and print
preview files.
Then I auto position all ref des to center (with correct rotation).
In the print preview I use top and bottom overlays with
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hey ivan, you ought spend a half an hour and play with the DXP demo
i know you're not going to buy it, but we'd love to hear your take on
what you see
You just want to hear the humorous things I would say about it...
Seriously, I cannot justify taking the time to play with the DXP demo.
Brian,
as Dennis stated, your assembler should have some good opinions on
your question. Other than that, my readings have led me to the opinion that
your pad size should match the devices ball pad size, i.e. 0.27 in this
case. The theory that sounds the most convincing on matching the
Tim,
It sounds as if you intend to use the silkscreen layer for the assembly
info? A dangerous practice and extra work. Usually do all this stuff on a
separate mechanical layer. Then go the PDF route.
Joe
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From: Tim Fifield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum
Brian,
The short version of the answer is neither, the land pattern is the pad,
and hence it is 0.27mm.
Where in the spec did you get the 0.27mm number?
I looked at pages 59 and 60 of the spec and saw that the 90 ball beast
actually wants a 0.33mm pad diameter according to Note 2 on page 60.
I think a Basic program will be better for this purpose. The script in
Protel is not stable. Firstly export the BOM and pick-place files. Then use
your Basic program to do the job.
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From: Barry, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 3:05 PM
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Myth:
3) The DXP demo would probably screw up my existing 99SE installation. I
don't have a second W2K machine to try it on.
Same here:
1) 99SE works OK for me.
Ivan I cant argue this exceot to say that some time will need investing to
learn it. Also the question is will the returns be
that's a different month, just trying to cover my butt!
ds
Joe Sapienza wrote:
on this day of nine septmember 2002 AD
i hereby predict:
'there will be no SP7 for 99SE'
your middle name wouldn't happen to Nostradamus?
PS. How do you spell This month
well yes
but as to #3 the answer is no it won't effect 99SE at all
it is a separate universe
the only small thing i noticed was that it changed the file association
for .CAM
maybe others i haven't seen yet, but that is no biggie
Dennis Saputelli
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
hey ivan, you
paste?
i did some 1mm balls
they just did a precision application of flux on the lands, no paste
the balls just reflowed
Dennis Saputelli
Brad Velander wrote:
Brian,
as Dennis stated, your assembler should have some good opinions on
your question. Other than that, my readings have
Unfortunately the footprints are not that portable
across machines, just libraries. But
they are very simple to do yourself with the wizard.
The dimensions can be looked up in the datasheets.
You spend in the order of 5 minutes including the schematic
symbol.
Rene
No choice. The very low power SDRAMS have very small packages. You know, for PDAs
other ridiculously compact devices.
Thankfully, there are only 54 contacts, not something like 500-1000...
Brian Guralnick
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Voice (514) 624-4003
Fax (514) 624-3631
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Ian Wilson has done something similar to this.
His server generates a BOM which includes the ref designators from your
schematics.
Look for CSPartsListServer in the Archives.
Madhu
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From: Barry, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 09,
Dennis,
is that the new name for September as coined by that dictator in
Kazakhistan or whichever break-off from the USSR. The one where he has
re-named months and days of the week to include his name, his mother's name,
etc., etc..
Sincerely,
Brad Velander.
Lead PCB Designer
Norsat
It would also be fairly easy to do in Excel or Access. NOTE that (for those
methods, anyway) you want the csv format BOM, not the Protel format.
The csv has one line per part, so it should be easy to match up with the
pickplace by sorting both on ref-des.
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From: Jun
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but as to #3 the answer is no it won't effect 99SE at all
it is a separate universe
But W2K is the wormhole that connects them...
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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From: Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA
At 11:25 AM 9/9/2002 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote:
What a small world! :)
Indeed. The return address given in the complaint mail was on a server in
Beijing, if it was legitimate. However, as was correctly observed, the
source of the mail was, from the headers, a server for Kollmorgen. As it
Thanks anyways, that's what I ended up doing.
Brian Guralnick
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From: Dennis Saputelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 2:16 PM
Subject:
But W2K is the wormhole that connects them...
no matter
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From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP - Sp7?? Crunch time?
but as to #3 the answer is
Don't worry about the way I measure the spikes. I do use J-Fet buffered 1.5GHz probes
with the miniature GND spike pin which is
right next to the probe signal pin. On my PCB, I placed GND supply test points
around the PLD just for such an emergency.
I do know that when measuring any signals
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
(2) If you really want to do something about spam, look into Spamcop.com.
I think you mean spamcop.net - spamcop.net will process spam to find
originating IP, and will offer to send complaints to the appropriate
abuse desks.
Just use my QFP generator in SSOP/SOP mode.
I'm building a new SOT-223 tonight.
Brian Guralnick
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From: Matt Daggett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday,
I get a critical stop with File eXit only, not the X button or Alt-F4.
Protel 99SE SP6
Win98
PII/366 128MB
I agree that I'm not sure there is any significance -- there are no error
messages popping up, and it doesn't seem to affect the system. Perhaps if
some has the time (and inclination) to
yes i confirm - 'no matter'
in addition i just uninstalled the trial (time ran out) and much to
my amazement it removed the .CAM file association it made
of course it didn't put my old one back
niggle niggle
Dennis Saputelli
Joe Sapienza wrote:
But W2K is the wormhole that connects
Dennis,
I am using File-Exit. The sounds are enabled and tested. Maybe my installation is
buggy. :)
Igor
-Original Message-
From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 September 2002 1:23 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Whats wrong with this
i am compelled to relate the following true story - OT sorry
i'll never do it again :)
i get about 400-500% more spam than real messages
filtering makes most of the real ones go to folders and the Inbox just
fills up with spam mostly
so i sit there on the delete key while scanning the subjects
yes i think it must be buggy!
that is funny though
reminds of the old saying:
'bug for bug compatibility'
Dennis Saputelli
Igor Gmitrovic wrote:
Dennis,
I am using File-Exit. The sounds are enabled and tested. Maybe my installation is
buggy. :)
Igor
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On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:32:58 -0400, Brian Guralnick wrote:
Don't worry about the way I measure the spikes. I do use J-Fet buffered 1.5GHz
probes with the miniature GND spike pin which is
right next to the probe signal pin. On my PCB, I placed GND supply test points
around the PLD just for
On 02:24 PM 9/09/2002 -0400, Richard Sumner said:
Brian,
Measuring spikes on the supply lines is not trivial. Where you put the
scope probe ground is everything. The best way to measure is with a
differential probe, placed across the power pins of the chip in question.
Anything less may not
Sounds like inductance and ground bounce. Use small (0603 or 0402) caps close,
and try bypassing ground to VCC using a multiple via connections to the ground
plane. Ive seen Tpd measurements improve about 15% just adding 'ground bypasses'
close to the chip leg grounds.
Brian Guralnick
I've had really good results with Tektronix P6245 / TDS500/600 active powered JFET
probe.
1pf, 1MOhm, 1.5GHz, 40v p-p max. Got 4 probes which are a perfect match with my
TDS3054 scope.
Brian Guralnick
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DAMN ISP HEADACHES!!!
Re-send...
This is one of the decoupling caps between VCCINT 1.8v GND.
As you can see, the 1.8v dips down to 1.625. This creates havoc with the processing
inside the Altera EP20K200E which has clocks
running at 133MHz, 125MHz, 95MHz, 24MHz.
16KB
Hi Brian,
You should try getting some say 100pf 0603 cap's as close to
the load as possible, maybe change the 100nf for smaller
values also. The main pulse you are triggering on has a period
of about 4nsec's (250Mhz).
Darren Moore
-Original Message-
From: Brian Guralnick
On 09:49 PM 9/09/2002 -0400, Brian Guralnick said:
DAMN ISP HEADACHES!!!
Re-send...
This is one of the decoupling caps between VCCINT 1.8v GND.
As you can see, the 1.8v dips down to 1.625. This creates havoc with
the processing inside the Altera EP20K200E which has clocks
running at
Brian,
I assume you need SMD caps. Have a look at MURATA multilayer ceramic chips, maybe LL
series. For your prototype, I would suggest you solder a cap of 1-2uF directly on top
of the IC, connecting accross power pins and using small multistranded wire. You could
put several of them in
This is one of the decoupling caps between VCCINT 1.8v GND.
As you can see, the 1.8v dips down to 1.625. This creates havoc with the processing
inside the Altera EP20K200E which has clocks
running at 133MHz, 125MHz, 95MHz, 24MHz.
16KB
This is one of the decoupling caps between VCCINT 1.8v GND.
As you can see, the 1.8v dips down to 1.625. This creates havoc with the processing
inside the Altera EP20K200E which has clocks
running at 133MHz, 125MHz, 95MHz, 24MHz.
16KB
- Original Message -
From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP - Crunch time?
Snip
. . . What, are you going to sue
them? Read the EULA. Read any EULA. boards.
Which wima parts are you trying to get?
(Nice scope shots...I have a TDS3054 too...great little scope!)
-Original Message-
From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 6:50 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: [PEDA] Fw: on topic supply SOS
Note new firmware version 3.22 includes the ADVTRG and
the FFT modules. I could only afford the TDS3052 :(
Darren Moore
-Original Message-
From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
(Nice scope shots...I have a TDS3054 too...great little scope!)
...and while many of those bugs were in fact addressed and fixed,
there were always a few that had been reported by virtually every
customer, that were never addressed or fixed.
You should pat yourself on the back...with a club. So it seems to me
that this guy was trying to fix the bugs and you
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From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fw: on topic supply SOS
Which wima parts are you trying to get?
I have no problem getting them in quantity, say 400
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