Re: [PEDA] PCB West...
On 08:08 PM 3/22/2002 -0800, Tony Karavidas wrote: >That's a good question. I would bet Protel has something that reads DDBs and >puts all the files in a directory. Maybe someone there would like to chime >in??? As I remember from the early description of Phoenix's expected file storage systems, (thru some sort of quasi-official release) the current "Access" and "Windows" ddb file systems will be supported, as well as an amazing "new" type of file storage (my guess: traditional file storage=amazing new storage) That is...If my memory serves me correctly, Altium stated that both of the ddb systems would be preserved. I do not remember where I read it, but I expect others have received the pre-release tags from Protel/Altium for some time, and anyone who's really alarmed at the possibility (not me) could do a search within the forum and/or their other mailboxes for confirmation/denial, or in lieu of that, contact Protel directly for more info. aj * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West...
On 01:06 PM 25/03/2002 +1100, DUTTON Phil said: >I've missed some of this string. >Surely the new improved Protel is not dropping the .ddb? >We use it and have written Work instructions to cover using them. >Would not like to change tack again.. > >Phil. There is a new method of storing data in the next version (apparently). There was a little speculation that it replaces the DDB. I can't believe that they would do this and have said so. I thought I had read in some release or bumpf that there were three methods of file storage in the next version (as opposed to the two we now have) - but I can't recall where I saw that. Look back at Tony K.s discussions on the demo he saw. My guess is that this is a non-issue. Like you and Igor - I don't think I would like the DDB to disappear but I am interested in seeing the alternatives. It is possible that there is no practical method of making the DDB version control friendly and so to get the version control interface working the new storage format is necessary - who knows. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West...
I've missed some of this string. Surely the new improved Protel is not dropping the .ddb? We use it and have written Work instructions to cover using them. Would not like to change tack again.. Phil. -Original Message- From: Igor Gmitrovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 25 March 2002 11:56 To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB West... We use ddb to store all project files, even .doc, xls, .dxf, etc. I want my ddb. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West...
We use ddb to store all project files, even .doc, xls, .dxf, etc. I want my ddb. -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2002 3:09 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB West... That's a good question. I would bet Protel has something that reads DDBs and puts all the files in a directory. Maybe someone there would like to chime in??? Tony > -Original Message- > From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:04 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB West... > > > So how are we going to ever re use two years of ddb files? if it is not > supported? Do I have to keep my 99SE version working forever > now? I > just wrote an ISO procedure forcing everyone to include their schematics , > gerbers, and all other project data with the ddb. It was a configuration > management decision.Great so I have more work to do , export > from ddbs > > I don't mind changes as a matter of fact I welcome them but I hope I don't > loose 2 years of data. or have export every file out of my ddb files to > access them now, > > Mike Reagan > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West...
On 08:08 PM 22/03/2002 -0800, Tony Karavidas said: >That's a good question. I would bet Protel has something that reads DDBs and >puts all the files in a directory. Maybe someone there would like to chime >in??? > >Tony The bumbf I have seen suggests that there are going to be 3 ways of storing data, just one of which is new, but maybe I am not recalling correctly - I tend not to read all the early press release stuff too carefully. What I have read is the same as what everyone else has seen so can anyone find the quote I seem to recall that mentions the DDB and other storage methods? I would *very* much doubt that Protel would isolate the DDB - many smaller companies love the idea of one file that contains all of a project. many of us do not use version control so the DDB has been a great way of encapsulating designs and archiving them fairly safely. The issue of backward compatibility support for DDBs is way off my radar as I can't believe that it wouldn't be there. I am more interested in the usability and reliability of the other stuff and the list of bugs fixed. I may well move towards a VCS but it is very unlikely to be M$ VSS so I would hope they have fairly generic support so FreeCVS and others can also be used. Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West...
That's a good question. I would bet Protel has something that reads DDBs and puts all the files in a directory. Maybe someone there would like to chime in??? Tony > -Original Message- > From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:04 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB West... > > > So how are we going to ever re use two years of ddb files? if it is not > supported? Do I have to keep my 99SE version working forever > now? I > just wrote an ISO procedure forcing everyone to include their schematics , > gerbers, and all other project data with the ddb. It was a configuration > management decision.Great so I have more work to do , export > from ddbs > > I don't mind changes as a matter of fact I welcome them but I hope I don't > loose 2 years of data. or have export every file out of my ddb files to > access them now, > > Mike Reagan > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West...
So how are we going to ever re use two years of ddb files? if it is not supported? Do I have to keep my 99SE version working forever now? I just wrote an ISO procedure forcing everyone to include their schematics , gerbers, and all other project data with the ddb. It was a configuration management decision.Great so I have more work to do , export from ddbs I don't mind changes as a matter of fact I welcome them but I hope I don't loose 2 years of data. or have export every file out of my ddb files to access them now, Mike Reagan - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Protel EDA Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB West... > Like I mentioned before I didn't see much of the router really. I'm more > interested to so how it does on my boards when I get the chance. The new > integrated libraries look pretty good. You have one viewer that will show > you the sch and pcb representations at the same time. > > The DDB is history as well. All files are external and they are referenced > with a project file, like any compiler would have. I think I might miss the > DDB actually because I knew if I had that one file intact, my entire project > would be there and be healthy (no missing files) > > Another thing they've tossed out is version control. It's now completely > external where it belongs. For those of us that use SourceSafe, or some > other tool that is good at version control, this is good news. > > Another "fluffy piece" as Brad would call it (Hey Brad I'm jsut teasing ya!) > is a neat dim-away view of stuff that IS NOT selected. When you're selecting > a net, or a bunch of objects that make it past a filter, you can dim away > everything else that isn't selected and it REALLY makes obvious what IS > selected. What I used to do when selecting stuff all over the board (which > required me to zoom out and see tiny parts) was make everything draft mode > while I wanted to observe the select items. (I did this a lot looking for > drill sizes) Now you can just do you selection stuff, and pull down a > control that gradually dims everything else. It's another "WOW, that's cool" > sort of features. This thing is packed with stuff like that. > > All the floating tool bars are drag and drop, resizeable, etc. You don't > have to go through the (slight) pain of process creation when customizing > menus and toolbars. You can if you want to, all the old stuff is there, but > they've added a layer to make it easier. > > In fact, just today I noticed I had a custom tool in the PCB Reports menu > that is missing! It was a tool to "measure selection" which used to exist as > default in 2.8, but they tossed it. Why do things just disappear So here > I am again putting it back, by opening menu properties, adding the item, > giving it the name "Measure &Selection", looking up the process (what was it > called again?? oh yeah: PCB:MeasureSelectedObjects, figuring out the params > (none in this case), etc. The new way was easier. > > Hmm, so I just found "MeasureSelectedObjects" in my client99se.rcs file and > now I'm wondering why/how that could have disappeared. I have not deleted > the RCS file (ever) > > Tony > > > > -Original Message- > > From: BB_PCBDesign [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:15 PM > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: [PEDA] PCB West... > > > > > > What about the others stuff like the new Situs Router, the integrated > > component libraries, version control, design variants and the ODB++ ? > > > > > > Bolis Bortolo > > BB PCB Design > > Via Gasparoli, 53 > > 21012 Cassano Magnago ( VA ) - Italy > > Tel. +39 0331 281457 Fax +39 0331 202794 > > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West
) > > The object selection has gotten more sophisticated and there is a live > spreadsheet of all object which to them is an alternate view of the graphic > represention of your board. The spreadsheet has some neat sorting and > editing features and operates on the live database of your PCB. If you're > curious about exactly what's happening while in the spreadsheet, it's a > click away to see the selection (or whatever) on the PCB. > Calling it sophisticated is subjective.They have copied some of Accels features. This spread sheet can get in the way many times. It might impress a Unix programmer, but the one thing Protel had going for it was its MAC like interface. Very graphical with some of the best graphics on a pc. Oh did I mention I hate Accel/PCad on this forum. I think I did many times The fade menus sound really neat, but I try to use key strokes and push my mouse to the location where I want activity. I work with mouse pushers maybe they will like that. Clicking on menus takes time.I will wait before I make my judgment. My objective is to have software that increases my productivity. Much of this software is reaching maturity now. New features are becoming less and less innovative.There is room as some suggested for lib management. What I hope DXP doesn't do for me is play my CD music any better, or tie into AOL or have the darn menu in my way of productivity.I have to unload AOL off of every new pc I buy, I will most likely unload the menus the same way. And if I can keep the Accel spreadsheet from ever popping up I would be happy with that too. OK PROTEL you have my address send me a copy of this new software! I want my hands on it to run it thru the paces. Mike Reagan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West...
Like I mentioned before I didn't see much of the router really. I'm more interested to so how it does on my boards when I get the chance. The new integrated libraries look pretty good. You have one viewer that will show you the sch and pcb representations at the same time. The DDB is history as well. All files are external and they are referenced with a project file, like any compiler would have. I think I might miss the DDB actually because I knew if I had that one file intact, my entire project would be there and be healthy (no missing files) Another thing they've tossed out is version control. It's now completely external where it belongs. For those of us that use SourceSafe, or some other tool that is good at version control, this is good news. Another "fluffy piece" as Brad would call it (Hey Brad I'm jsut teasing ya!) is a neat dim-away view of stuff that IS NOT selected. When you're selecting a net, or a bunch of objects that make it past a filter, you can dim away everything else that isn't selected and it REALLY makes obvious what IS selected. What I used to do when selecting stuff all over the board (which required me to zoom out and see tiny parts) was make everything draft mode while I wanted to observe the select items. (I did this a lot looking for drill sizes) Now you can just do you selection stuff, and pull down a control that gradually dims everything else. It's another "WOW, that's cool" sort of features. This thing is packed with stuff like that. All the floating tool bars are drag and drop, resizeable, etc. You don't have to go through the (slight) pain of process creation when customizing menus and toolbars. You can if you want to, all the old stuff is there, but they've added a layer to make it easier. In fact, just today I noticed I had a custom tool in the PCB Reports menu that is missing! It was a tool to "measure selection" which used to exist as default in 2.8, but they tossed it. Why do things just disappear So here I am again putting it back, by opening menu properties, adding the item, giving it the name "Measure &Selection", looking up the process (what was it called again?? oh yeah: PCB:MeasureSelectedObjects, figuring out the params (none in this case), etc. The new way was easier. Hmm, so I just found "MeasureSelectedObjects" in my client99se.rcs file and now I'm wondering why/how that could have disappeared. I have not deleted the RCS file (ever) Tony > -Original Message- > From: BB_PCBDesign [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:15 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] PCB West... > > > What about the others stuff like the new Situs Router, the integrated > component libraries, version control, design variants and the ODB++ ? > > > Bolis Bortolo > BB PCB Design > Via Gasparoli, 53 > 21012 Cassano Magnago ( VA ) - Italy > Tel. +39 0331 281457 Fax +39 0331 202794 > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West
Tony, that is good alright but sometimes I think that their demo databases have been so tested during development that they have just taken out any of the offending issues if they couldn't fix them quickly. I have always found that the only way to test a CAD system is at least 4 - 5 designs from scratch. Second step is to test 4 - 5 designs which worked fine in the last version. This is not specifically aimed at Protel but CAD software in general. Their canned databases are not to be trusted to show a real world situation, they may just have all of the niggly bits removed during testing. Sounds like the new stuff has incorporated a lot of thought. Let's hope that they didn't waste all that thought on just the fluffy pieces. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com See us at Booth S8155 at NAB 2002 in Las Vegas April 8 - 11. > -Original Message- > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:28 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB West > > > I can tell, and I've been there too (being a Protel customer > since 1988) > > I think it was a solid demo because I had them jumping all > over the place > and trying this and that. It wasn't like they were doing things in a > specific order where they could control what was exercised > and what wasn't. > > Tony Karavidas > Encore Electronics > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West
I can tell, and I've been there too (being a Protel customer since 1988) I think it was a solid demo because I had them jumping all over the place and trying this and that. It wasn't like they were doing things in a specific order where they could control what was exercised and what wasn't. Tony Karavidas Encore Electronics http://www.EncoreElectronics.com Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct. 1997 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Jon Elson > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 3:19 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB West > > > Tony Karavidas wrote: > > > I'm jazzed. (can you tell?) > > I just hope all this is REAL, as opposed to tricks, fluff, and things that > look great in a demo, but don't work in the real world. > Can you tell I'm suspicious of Altium, after several bad experiences > with previous Protel versions? > > Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West
Tony Karavidas wrote: > I'm jazzed. (can you tell?) I just hope all this is REAL, as opposed to tricks, fluff, and things that look great in a demo, but don't work in the real world. Can you tell I'm suspicious of Altium, after several bad experiences with previous Protel versions? Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West
Yes, from what I can remember they've incorporated several ways to hide menus. If you bump the cursor against the side where the window pane is located, it unrolls from the side. (This is user configurable of course, as is everything else it seems) The object selection has gotten more sophisticated and there is a live spreadsheet of all object which to them is an alternate view of the graphic represention of your board. The spreadsheet has some neat sorting and editing features and operates on the live database of your PCB. If you're curious about exactly what's happening while in the spreadsheet, it's a click away to see the selection (or whatever) on the PCB. One thing they did remove is the dual selection as we currently have. We now have the selection and focus, which is pretty handy, but it also burns people once in a while because they forget to deselect all before doing some other selection operation. If you're used to pressing X-A before starting another selection, then it's not a problem. Now they have one selection without the addition of focus (like all other Windows programs), so when you selection something you need to be careful in the other sense. You could accidentally un-select everything if you forget to ctrl click to add selected object. I'd say it's "six of one, half-dozen of the other" sort of situation. They talked about maybe putting it back in, but I don't care that much about it. They did not add (sch) wire cleanup like Orcad has, but it does seem to be on their list of things to do. One really nice new feature is dimensioning in PCB. There are at least 6 new dimensioning tools, and they attach themselves to objects on the PCB, so if the object moves, the dimension adjusts. It's about time There is total control of them too, the dimension text can be rotated, moved, or whatever just by dragging it with the mouse. That's big time saver right there! Here are some other features that stayed in my mine long enough to write this email: Ability to graphically cut rooms on the PCB. New (and easier) ways to define split planes. Way better BOM generator. Multi-channel handling: Define one sch page of a repeated circuit and tell it how many duplicates there are. You have nice control over annotating it without flattening it. You then go to PCB and get a room for each instantiation. Lay out one of them and tell IT to layout the others! Man does this ROCK!!! I think those of us that are beta people will really get a feel for what's new and if it's worth it. I think so based on the time spent at the show. BTW, the app only crashed once and we were poking around one of the very newest features when that happened. I was impressed considering they haven't even starting beta testing yet. Now I've got to get back to work... Tony Karavidas Encore Electronics http://www.EncoreElectronics.com Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct. 1997 > -Original Message- > From: Dwight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 2:19 PM > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB West > > > Fading toolbars sounds nice, altho' I usually leave them in the lower-left > corner where they aren't in my way very often. > > I have a toolbar button to toggle the "Design Manager" pane off & on -- I > think that's standard, but maybe I added it a long time ago. > Does DXP allow > some sort of "auto-hide" for it now? > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:55 AM > > > When you have a floating menu in the area of > > the board that you're trying to route, the menu fades away while the > cursor > > is there and fades back when you pass through the area. It may not sound > > like much, but wait until you see it! I'm constantly shifting around > trying > > to get from behind floating tool bars and they've fixed that > for me. Also > > the big explorer area to the side of your work area can retract > horizontally > > when unused. > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West
I think their zooming works fine. I usually have my hand on the PageUp/PageDown keys for that, but now they have the Shift_Scroll wheel working!! (or was that Ctrl-Scroll??) It's really fast to zoom around now. Tony > -Original Message- > From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:26 PM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB West > > > Tony, > > Have they fixed the zomming so that is like the rest of the world out > there or is it still "anti-intuitive" (i.e.: place the cursor in the > left side of the screen and zoom out so that you can then place the > cursor in the right side of the screen and zoom in to the right). > > JaMi Smith * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West
Fading toolbars sounds nice, altho' I usually leave them in the lower-left corner where they aren't in my way very often. I have a toolbar button to toggle the "Design Manager" pane off & on -- I think that's standard, but maybe I added it a long time ago. Does DXP allow some sort of "auto-hide" for it now? > -Original Message- > From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:55 AM > When you have a floating menu in the area of > the board that you're trying to route, the menu fades away while the cursor > is there and fades back when you pass through the area. It may not sound > like much, but wait until you see it! I'm constantly shifting around trying > to get from behind floating tool bars and they've fixed that for me. Also > the big explorer area to the side of your work area can retract horizontally > when unused. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West
Tony, Have they fixed the zomming so that is like the rest of the world out there or is it still "anti-intuitive" (i.e.: place the cursor in the left side of the screen and zoom out so that you can then place the cursor in the right side of the screen and zoom in to the right). JaMi Smith -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 9:55 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] PCB West I went yesterday, and I must say it's as great (and welcome)of a change as it was from version 2.8 to 98. There are TONS of cool features. I only had 45 minutes to stay so I didn't get into the meat of VHDL or the router, but I'm going to pony up the money for this one. Some of you are going to bitch about learning new things, but I think it will be well worth it. I can see its connection to P99SE, but that's about it. If you thought P99SE was configurable, wait until you see DXP. The menus are like computer eye candy. When you have a floating menu in the area of the board that you're trying to route, the menu fades away while the cursor is there and fades back when you pass through the area. It may not sound like much, but wait until you see it! I'm constantly shifting around trying to get from behind floating tool bars and they've fixed that for me. Also the big explorer area to the side of your work area can retract horizontally when unused. It's very cool. The grabbing pan hand works now in SCH (just like PCB) and they've really overhauled the consistancy issues between the different applications. I've also 'heard' that the 3D stuff is getting revamped with USER CREATED MODELS!!! It supposedly won't be in the initial release because Protel (um, I mean Altium) is still trying to figure out the best way to present model creation to us. I suggested they do not create models in DXP, but rather let us create them in solidworks, autocad, cadkey, something like that. I know some of these packages are $$ and they should support a format that has a couple low cost packages that can generate that format. The on screen graphics have gotten better too. There are nice polished touches to everything. The print engine is souped up, and seems to work better. I'm jazzed. (can you tell?) Tony Karavidas Encore Electronics http://www.EncoreElectronics.com Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct. 1997 > -Original Message- > From: David Palombo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 9:49 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] PCB West > > > > Did anyone go to the show have any feedback about Protek DXP? > > Just curious, > Dave Palombo > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West - 3D Models
Re: [PEDA] PCB West
I went yesterday, and I must say it's as great (and welcome)of a change as it was from version 2.8 to 98. There are TONS of cool features. I only had 45 minutes to stay so I didn't get into the meat of VHDL or the router, but I'm going to pony up the money for this one. Some of you are going to bitch about learning new things, but I think it will be well worth it. I can see its connection to P99SE, but that's about it. If you thought P99SE was configurable, wait until you see DXP. The menus are like computer eye candy. When you have a floating menu in the area of the board that you're trying to route, the menu fades away while the cursor is there and fades back when you pass through the area. It may not sound like much, but wait until you see it! I'm constantly shifting around trying to get from behind floating tool bars and they've fixed that for me. Also the big explorer area to the side of your work area can retract horizontally when unused. It's very cool. The grabbing pan hand works now in SCH (just like PCB) and they've really overhauled the consistancy issues between the different applications. I've also 'heard' that the 3D stuff is getting revamped with USER CREATED MODELS!!! It supposedly won't be in the initial release because Protel (um, I mean Altium) is still trying to figure out the best way to present model creation to us. I suggested they do not create models in DXP, but rather let us create them in solidworks, autocad, cadkey, something like that. I know some of these packages are $$ and they should support a format that has a couple low cost packages that can generate that format. The on screen graphics have gotten better too. There are nice polished touches to everything. The print engine is souped up, and seems to work better. I'm jazzed. (can you tell?) Tony Karavidas Encore Electronics http://www.EncoreElectronics.com Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct. 1997 > -Original Message- > From: David Palombo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 9:49 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: [PEDA] PCB West > > > > Did anyone go to the show have any feedback about Protek DXP? > > Just curious, > Dave Palombo > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West
> Protel DXP > > Looked better than I expected.. It does not require you to save as a DBase > Project.. It has fading floating docable tool bars. > it allows VHDL schematic capture.. I was talking to Rick Wilson a great > teacher and sale person.. He got me jazzed about it. > > Sam Cox. > Sam, Is there any indication of which chip families are supported by the VHDL system? This is all sounding very exciting, however I also remember being this excited when I bought 3.1, & Neuro-route oh and the Spice sim. Puts a sick feeling in the bottom of your stomach to remember how pissed off you were when reality set in after delivery & you tried to use it to make a living. Still, a functional product with GOOD SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION would go a long way to changing this. Cheers Don * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PCB West
Protel DXP Looked better than I expected.. It does not require you to save as a DBase Project.. It has fading floating docable tool bars. it allows VHDL schematic capture.. I was talking to Rick Wilson a great teacher and sale person.. He got me jazzed about it. Sam Cox. Did anyone go to the show have any feedback about Protek DXP? >Just curious, >Dave Palombo > > > > >+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ >| David PalomboTelephone: (818) 597-8915 x101 >| Aveox Inc. Fax:(818) 597-0617 >| 31324 Via Colinas, #104 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| Westlake Village, Ca 91362 http://www.aveox.com >+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
