04/09/2003 14:07:51, Yuriy Khapochkin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You can set up *.ppc to prit only selected components,
>then use global select option to select particular type of
components in the
>PCB.
>Print them.
>
>Select next type of components.
>Update ppc from PCB.
>Print them.
Been to
Hi,but for this kind of micro surgery i use fine solder,is it not?
Choong
Jon Elson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
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>>>I can solder 0.5mm (19.685 mil) SMT IC's by hand no problem. BGAs are a
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>>different story...
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>>I can do that too. And my hand c
at info "live"
Tony
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:32:44 +0100, John A. Ross [Design] wrote:
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>> From: Steve Wiseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:
>> Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:14 PM To: Protel EDA Forum
>> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Prototype A
I sent this message yesterday, but it doesn't show somehow,
so I repost it below.
Steve Wiseman wrote:
> Is it possible to build an assembly drawing (or, really, a series of assembly
> drawings) which highlights each component type in turn on a different sheet -
> f'rinstance highlight all the 22n
On 06:39 AM 5/09/2003, Brian Guralnick said:
Believe it or not, I've managed to do my best work with a paint stripper
heat gun...
It's great for both putting parts on & taking everything off in a single
shot.
Especially if you turn the air flow right up - it nicely cleans everything
of the board i
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> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Wiseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Prototype Assembly House - now assembly guides
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> Since I'm evidently not the only person t
Steve,
You can set up *.ppc to prit only selected components,
then use global select option to select particular type of components in the
PCB.
Print them.
Select next type of components.
Update ppc from PCB.
Print them.
...
It is worse, than what you asked for, but better than nothing.
Yuriy.
Since I'm evidently not the only person to still be hand assembling,
here's a Protel question...
Is it possible to build an assembly drawing (or, really, a series of
assembly drawings) which highlights each component type in turn
on a different sheet - f'rinstance highlight all the 22n 0402
de
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An easier method for doing this hand-soldering is to use what is known as a
mini-wave tip. It's a concave cupped tip that you fill with solder, and use
exactly as you describe - drag it along the pads. If the pads have been
designed right, it's really easy to do. Even wi
2 different comments on this way OT stuff
remember the 'shrink DIP' ?
too bad that never caught on
saves a lot of space but still has the advantages of a DIP
2mm pitch - wish they made PICs in that pkg
re lifting TQFPs
i assume you all know about 'quick stick' and other similar products
it is a v
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> > I can solder 0.5mm (19.685 mil) SMT IC's by hand n
remaining.
BR Clive
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An easier method for doing this hand-solderin
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> > Yup, but the old days had entire boards covered with DIPs
> to do what I
> > can do now
> > with ONE very pedestrian Xilinx Spartan chip. And, if
> there is an error
> > (t
email?
http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml
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Yuriy Khapochkin wrote:
Jon,
There could be problems with hand soldered components.
Ceramic capacitors, for example has a tendency to break and
become resistor with 10-100 Ohm resistance.
Probable, due to thermal tension from manual soldering.
I had such problems in the past.
Worst of all,
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
I can solder 0.5mm (19.685 mil) SMT IC's by hand no problem. BGAs are a
different story...
I can do that too. And my hand can slip, causing a solder bridge to an
adjacent pin. It's a PITA to clear away that solder bridge from those small
pins.
I have dev
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
It probably makes more sense to buy the parts yourself, and find
a part time person who can assemble it directly under the guidance
of the person who designed it.
That's true if all you are using is TH or 50mil SMT. For smaller stuff and
BGAs, how do you do t
03/09/2003 20:46:02, Tom Reineking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Ivan,
>When soldering fine pitch parts,
All well and good. You got any tips for soldering down the
hundreds of 0402 decouplers and passives that are the bane of
my life? (These days, all non-trivial boards go out to 'proper'
reflo
Jon,
There could be problems with hand soldered components.
Ceramic capacitors, for example has a tendency to break and
become resistor with 10-100 Ohm resistance.
Probable, due to thermal tension from manual soldering.
I had such problems in the past.
Worst of all, it usually happens weeks o
What's affordable?
I recently had 5 boards assembled, about 7"x12", 300 components (2400
pads), passives on both sides, fine pitch on top, a few thru hole parts
(to-220, idc, etc). Total cost for 5 boards about $2500 (incl $1200 nre). I
doubt if these could have been hand assembled in much less
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I can solder 0.5mm (19.685 mil) SMT IC's by hand no problem. BGAs are a
different story...
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Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 3:09 PM
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> I can solder 0.5mm (19.685 mil) SM
Thank you all for your responses.
Yuriy.
Yuriy Khapochkin wrote:
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> Could anybody recommend good place in US/Canada
> for ordering small prototype quantity (up to 10 pieces) PCB assembly?
>
> Personal experience especially welcome.
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I can solder 0.5mm (19.685 mil) SMT IC's by hand no problem. BGAs are a different
story...
Tim Fifield
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From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 3:16 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Prototype Assembly
part time help?
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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From: "Jon Elson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:13 P
Tom Reineking wrote:
Hi Yuriy,
We've had very good luck with quality and quick turn around with
Advanced Circuits, www.4pcd.com. I haven't done much with price
comparison, though. Good luck.
I was going to give the same information, but I think he is looking
for assembly (stuffing) of the bo
Yuriy:
We are a small company specialized in low to medium volume assembly.
I would be happy to look at your boards and see if we can help you out.
www.aialtd.com
Regards,
Gary Allbee
Alta Industrial Automation Ltd
Yuriy Khapochkin wrote:
Tom,
Unfortunately, I did not make it clear.
I am interest
Yuriy,
I misunderstood you note. Please ignore my 1st post.
We have been very happy with price/quality/delivery at Tabtronics.
Check them out at http://www.tabtronx.com
Regards,
Steve Smith, C.I.D.
Product Engineer
Staco Energy Products Co.
Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com
& www.stacopower.com
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Yuriy,
I have had very good results from Precision Technologies Inc.
Check out site at http://www.quotepcboards.com
Regards,
Steve Smith, C.I.D.
Product Engineer
Staco Energy Products Co.
Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com
& www.stacopower.com
-Original Message-
From: Yuriy Khapochkin [mailt
United Electronics in the Chicago area has been good to me. Their website is
http://www.unitedel.com/
Good luck,
brian
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From: Yuriy Khapochkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEDA] Prototype Assembl
I've had very good results with Argo Transdata Corp, Clinton CT. They are
quite happy to assemble quantities of 5 or 10 boards. Quality is excellent,
and turn around can be as short as a week or so. I supply the boards
(advanced pcb) and all parts, bom, and an ascii pcb file (they don't want
t
Hi Yuriy,
We provide quick turn high quality hand build assembly for engineer samples.
We can work with supplied components or purchase small run material
quantities from places like Digi-Key on your behave.
Contact me off list and I can provide you with a quote.
We are located in Calgary Alb
Tom,
Unfortunately, I did not make it clear.
I am interested in *assembly* service, not PCB itself.
As for PCB, I second your opinion about www.4pcb.com.
Use them a lot.
Regards,
Yuriy.
Tom Reineking wrote:
>
> Hi Yuriy,
> We've had very good luck with quality and quick turn around with
> Adv
Hi Yuriy,
We've had very good luck with quality and quick turn around with
Advanced Circuits, www.4pcd.com. I haven't done much with price
comparison, though. Good luck.
Tom
Yuriy Khapochkin wrote:
Could anybody recommend good place in US/Canada
for ordering small prototype quantity (up to 10
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