Re: [pydotorg-www] PSF Contributor form

[Mats Wichmann]

As an employee of a large corporation, I'll observe that the problem
with contributor forms is once you have to sign one, the lawyer has to
get involved.  Once the lawyer has to get involved, life WILL get
complicated.  Of any 32 corporations, 27 will have a lawyer who wants to
make a small-to-large change, just to suit their particular way of doing
things.  Then the PSF will have to have a lawyer decide whether those
changes are okay for this one-off deal (or maybe whether that change
should go into the generic, in which case you have a new thing that a
bunch of lawyers have to look at).  I actually have, from years ago, a
grandfathered permission to contribute to Python, from those days when
I was actually doing website work, as long as I don't contribute any
insert my big company's name IP, because I asked for that and got it.
So at the moment it's very simple, but if I had to sign a specific
contributor agreement, all that good stuff goes away and my business
unit lawyer gets involved, and I'd probably lose the permission I now
have.  In my specific case, that is harmless to Python since I don't
contribute to the code base and now also don't contribute to the
website, but it's an example: it probably will affect others.  IANAL of
course, but it seems that implicit agreements often work, and are likely
to cause less trouble (by implicit, I mean PSF saying if you
contribute, understand you're doing so under these terms)


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Re: [pydotorg-www] PSF Contributor form

[Mats Wichmann]

On 04/21/2012 11:08 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
 Am 22.04.2012 01:02, schrieb Mats Wichmann:
 As an employee of a large corporation, I'll observe that the problem
 with contributor forms is once you have to sign one, the lawyer has to
 get involved.  Once the lawyer has to get involved, life WILL get
 complicated. 
 
 Tough luck. Then you just can't contribute to Python. I'm serious about
 this: if your company's lawyer is not happy that you essentially give
 all rights of your contribution to the PSF, then the PSF cannot use your
 contribution. The risk is too high that the lawyer finds out at some
 point and claims that your company has rights to Python. That's
 *exactly* one of the reasons to have contributor forms: to get the
 employer of a contributor to explicitly acknowledge that it is ok to
 contribute (assuming the employer has rights over the contribution).

I guess I have to feel free to disagree.   For my case, my big company
has been involved in open source for a long time, we have a clear well
documented process for contributions to projects, and though that
process has gotten more complicated over the years since I did it, I
have gone through it for Python, following all the necessary steps, and
it's all approved: the people who need to know, do know, the bases are
all covered, with a clear understanding that the contributions are all
that, no ownership interest would be retained by us.  If there's a new
contributor agreement, it does mean a lawyer has to look at it in
excruciating detail. And as a deal unique to PSF, that means the chance
of issues. This question is not supposed to be be about me, as noted, so
maybe the impression I have of if used to work, now it's going to get
more complicated looms bigger.  But I do know we've had problems with
both the Ubuntu contributor agreement, and the Fedora one, to name two
that actually affected me.  There are projects that get by without you
must sign this assignment of rights type contributor agreements, not
sure why Python can't be one of them.

(yes, these are only my personal reactions, take them for whatever 0.05%
value they may have)


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: [PSF-Members] Why are we having people register at python.org

[Mats Wichmann]

On 01/04/15 14:04, Steve Holden wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Most of you will be aware of the recent thread on the psf-members list. I 
 copy the latest message from a board member and will intersperse my remarks 
 therein.

Hmmm, I'm not on psf-members and am not aware of what the issue is.
Too much work keeping up with a contractor?
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Re: [pydotorg-www] [PSF-Members] Why are we having people register at python.org

[Mats Wichmann]

On 01/06/15 09:30, Steve Holden wrote:
 Since it appears you are my only supporter, I feel my energies would be 
 better spent devoted to acquiring a livable pension before I hit 70. Let's 
 see what the board announces after its next meeting.

I think you'd find you have more than one supporter, but I'm also fully
in support of prioritising the pension item :)

Is the problem summary that the board outsourced the website and is now
finding what everyone else who outsources finds - you can't throw it
over the wall, you have to manage it?
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Resignation from PSF membership

[Mats Wichmann]

On 06/03/2016 03:06 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 02.06.2016 22:45, Piotr Tynecki wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Can you tell me how can I remove my PSF membership account from the
>> python.org website?
>>
>> https://www.python.org/users/katharsis/
>>
>> Before removal the account I want to resign from the PSF membership.
> 
> Hmm, I just had a look at the available interfaces and found that
> it is currently not possible for a PSF member to withdraw the
> membership and it is also not possible to delete the python.org
> account.

(minus the OP)

"But why would you ever want to do that?"  :)
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki page documenting running standard modules as scripts

[Mats Wichmann]

On 01/13/2016 10:47 AM, John Whitlock wrote:
> Initial version is now at https://wiki.python.org/moin/ExecutableModules .
> It is incomplete - feel free to add others, standardize the formatting and
> markup, etc.

Just observing,

I guess I don't see the value of the second section; the method for
making a standard python script is pretty well known, and anyway you're
interested in whether the author of the module has done so, not learning
how to do it yourself.  The interesting part is that *if* a standard
library module (or in fact an add-on module not included in the standard
library) has been written to be executable standalone, then using "-m
modname" goes and finds it in the path so you don't have to locate the
file yourself.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python Basics For Data Science Cheat Sheet

[Mats Wichmann]

On 10/13/2016 09:02 AM, Steve Holden wrote:
> Hi Karlijn,
> 
> The value of a Wiki is that it's user-editable. You have to create an
> account, then let us know what it is and we can add editing privileges.
> 
> This looks like halfway reasonable content, but it would be MUCH better to
> link straight to the cheat sheet. Sending them through a landing page
> smacks of advertising, which is definitely not approved of in our
> informational pages.

In addition, external links have an irritating tendency to go stale.  A
lot of the "bugs" against the Python website end up dealing with this
very topic.

...
> 
> regards
>  Steve
> 
> PS: The usual abbreviation for "third" is "3rd", but the cheat sheet uses
> "3d". Also the line reading "x = my_list > 3" should almost certainly read
> "x = my_array > 3". Errors like that really reduce the value of the
> content, and make the authors seem unreliable.

looks like those were already corrected, cool.


For consistency purposes, note you can't actually run the numpy examples
as listed. That doesn't make things broken, but

This line:

>>> import numpy as alias

could correct some of that - examples use np, so make it

>>> import numpy as np

or else just spell it out as numpy in the examples.

The "Selecting NumPy Elements" section might be better if you showed
outputs.

your current 2-d line won't work on the example data you give.

In "NumPy Array Operations", you could save a line of precious real
estate here:

>>> x = my_array > 3
>>> x
  array([False, False, False,  True], dtype=bool)

By not assigning-then-printing (the other examples don't do it):

>>> my_array > 3
  array([False, False, False,  True], dtype=bool)



Cheeers!
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Re: [pydotorg-www] problem with classes and objects in python 2.7.5 version

[Mats Wichmann]

On 12/01/2016 01:55 AM, PONNANA CHINNAMA NAIDU wrote:
> hi sir
>   i am getting error while i execute the code related to the classes
> and objects.what its showing is  "constructor can not take the arguments".
> please tell me the solution

Hopefully the resources in the autoreply will give you places to pursue
this question.  When you do, please include more information than you do
above - like a small code snippet. In my experience, the error you cite
happens when python doesn't find the __init__ method in your class, you
might check you spelled it correctly (double underscores on each end).
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Re: [pydotorg-www] wiki maintenance ideas?

[Mats Wichmann]

On 08/08/2017 03:05 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Keeping a wiki up to date is certainly possible, but it's a lot
> of work and needs people who care about it or at least parts of it.
> 
> Specifically for the beginners resources, I could imagine that
> we'd find people who are interested in this, but asking on this
> list is probably not a good way to reach them.
> 
> Perhaps you could try on the psf-community list.
> 
> We do have a page for this:
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/SiteImprovements
> 
> but it's outdated.
> 
> Perhaps archiving the older bits and reviving the page with
> more focus on the wiki would help. We could then also move it
> up higher on the front page.
> 
> Thanks,
> 


I added some things I've come across (the two original examples and some
others) to the wiki list, without otherwise revising the page much.
Maybe later.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Requesting editing permission

[Mats Wichmann]

On 07/12/2017 06:47 AM, Jacob Arnould wrote:
> To whom it may concern,
> 
> I would like to be added to the editors group because I would like to run a 
> Sprint.  
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> Jacob Arnould

You will need to write back with your wiki username for this to take place.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] EuroPython sprint edit

[Mats Wichmann]

On 07/13/2017 03:39 AM, Piotr Dyba wrote:
> Hi,
> my usera name is: Piotr Dyba
> (with space in the middle ;/)

Added, with space in the middle :) (one could point out that you didn't
read the instructions saying not to do that... but there's enough
precedent at this point I'm not fussing).

> I would like to add my sprint to:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2017/Sprints 
> 
> about tooling for workshop handling
> 
> Cheers
> Piotr Dyba
> 
> 
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit access request (EuroPython 2017 Sprints)

[Mats Wichmann]

On 07/13/2017 06:25 AM, Romain Dorgueil wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'd like to be able to edit the python.org wiki page at
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2017/Sprints to add the sprint I
> organize. My login is RomainDorgueil.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> 
> Romain

added.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to Join Editors Group

[Mats Wichmann]

On 07/12/2017 04:57 PM, Grant Jenks wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I would like to join the editors group for wiki.python.org and my username
> is GrantJenks. I recently published Free Python Games at
> http://www.grantjenks.com/docs/freegames/ and would like to add a link to
> the Python Games page at https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonGames
> 
> Sincerely,
> Grant Jenks

you have been added. Welcome!


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[pydotorg-www] wiki maintenance ideas?

[Mats Wichmann]

In an ideal world, interested parties fix things on the wiki when they
find they have problems. And I'm heartened there's been a spate of
link-fixing contributions recently, system working the way it's supposed
to :)

Does it make any sense to think about any kind of more systematic
maintenance activities?  Is wiki (content) maintenance even a possible
thing? They are generally pretty notorious for this: it's a wiki, you
can update it, but if you didn't just update it it's probably out of
date and inaccurate.

There are really two things...

- errors.  links go stale all the time, is there any point in looking
for a tool that could crawl the wiki infrequently (on the order of once
every many months) to test if links outside the wiki still resolve to
something and report problems?

- quality. Here are a couple of examples I ran into just this morning
looking at some things that landed in the inbox.

The page on beginner errors:
https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnerErrorsWithPythonProgramming

got an update (broken link fixing only), and I was curious and looked at
it.  It's not terribly useful as is - the notes also indicate it was
imported from elsewhere. This *could* be a very useful page: as a
python-tutor participant, I see common themes repeatedly; it would also
be great to hear from instructors on what trips students up (I haven't
taught a Python class since 2002 so I don't have any current
contributions on that front). This page tried to do that, but then goes
off in strange weeds... "The latter issue has been fixed, but the former
has not and very likely never will".  Python is what it is, how about
ideas for how to teach people in an anticipatory way to avoid well-known
gotchas instead of focusing on how the language might or might not be
"fixed"? Page still has references to "Python 3000", which means it's,
ummm, fairly dated :)

One of the resources pages,
https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers

also had link-fix activity.  this page suffers from the "list of
resources" problem, where a bunch of links are just dumped here with no
ordering (how do you order them?), and once the lists get more than a
few entries, it's hard to know what to follow. And every so often we can
expect to go through "moving my link up to a better place" wars like
we've seen before.  I found the Google class listed in two sections,
both with old (but not yet broken) links to obsolete Google Code
addresses, cleaned that up on the way past (there's only one copy now).


Any thoughts on how resources like this could be made more useful?
Maybe keep a wiki page of "if you feel like contributing to Python, here
are some pages that could stand improvement"?

-- mats
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Please would you add me to the EditorsGroup?

[Mats Wichmann]

On 08/07/2017 05:01 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 5:59 AM, Will White  wrote:
>> My account name is WillWhite. I intend to update the "Learn Python in 10 
>> minutes" link on https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers.
> 
> What needs to be updated?
>

it's been updated... it was pointing to an old location, apparently.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] edit rights please

[Mats Wichmann]

On 08/15/2017 03:20 PM, Tom Viner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm user TomViner and I'd like to add the London Python Dojo to
> the LocalUserGroups page.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom

Looks like nobody picked this one up, sorry for the delay. Added now.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] user group

[Mats Wichmann]

On 06/20/2017 06:09 AM, Barry Martin wrote:
> Hi,
> My name is Barry Martin. I started a python user group in New Jersey. We have 
> 20 members now. I signed up on the wiki but cannot edit the local user group 
> page https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups . Can I be granted rights 
> to edit the page or alternatively can someone add the local user group to the 
> page?
> 
> South Jersey Python User Group
> https://www.meetup.com/South-Jersey-Python-User-Group/
> 
> 
> 
> Barry V. Martin 

If you supply your wiki name, someone can add you.  The current scheme
(send an email like you did to indicate you're a human with good
intentions) is a mild spam-protection layer we had to put in.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] suggested edits to https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages

[Mats Wichmann]

On 06/19/2017 08:00 PM, Francois BERENGER wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Pycaml is no more maintained.
> 
> Modern solutions are pyml or lymp.
> 
> package: pyml
> upstream-url: http://pyml.gforge.inria.fr/
> 
> package: lymp
> upstream-url: https://github.com/dbousque/lymp/
> 
> Regards,
> F.

If you send in your wiki account name, someone can add you as an editor
to be able to update the page.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] request edit home page on python wiki - anti-robot

[Mats Wichmann]

On 06/26/2017 04:51 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 27.06.2017 00:41, Fox wrote:
>>
 I noticed how few edits were made in the last 90 day alone.

 How restrictive is your policy and does that negatively impact the
 quality (say the lamentable high number of dead links) of the wiki ?

 If so, what do plan to mitigate this dire situation ?
>>>
>>> We have no plans changing the policy. Of all strategies we've
>>> tried, this is by far the most successful one.
>>
>>
>> The most successful one in making the pywiki a LOW-QUALITY wiki, indeed.
>>
>> Keep up the good work!   ;-)
> 
> Fox, or whatever your name is: Thank you for your support, but
> I think we're better off not making you an editor today.
> 
> How about you cool off a bit, show some respect for our work
> and add some examples of useful edits you want to apply ?

I'll add two bits here ("two bits" being an Americanism for what once
was, but no longer is a particularly valuable coin) that:

- the wiki was clearly worse quality when edits were not slightly
restricted, because pages kept getting splattered with auto-added debris
full of links some might call unsavory and nobody would argue were "off
topic"

- "dead links" has been a bit of a sensitive topic, as many times people
reporting them have submitted alternatives which point to a site which
accrue some financial benefit to the reporter rather than really
providing a true open alternative.

- ranting at and offending the maintainers usually has an effect... just
consider your own reaction if the roles were reversed.

As MAL says... make a couple of more specific proposals, and we'll see.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] user group

[Mats Wichmann]

On 06/20/2017 08:32 AM, Barry Martin wrote:
> Hi Mats,
> My wiki name is 'Barry Martin'

hmmm, the instructions say:

"using the format FirstnameLastname to avoid issues - please don't use
spaces in the name"

I'm not sure if that means a name with spaces won't work, or is just not
preferred - I'll wait for someone else to pipe up.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Link broken on Integration Page

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On 04/26/2017 07:36 AM, Christian Trenkwalder wrote:
> Hi,
> the link on the page
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages
> to the project  RSPython
> Is pointing to  http://www.omegahat.org/RSPython witch seems to be fraud, 
> I guess http://www.omegahat.net/RSPython/ is the correct page.
> 
> Kind regards
> Christian Trenkwalder

Just found this message while sorting my inbox looking for something
else - looks like everybody missed your note, which nonetheless is
appreciated! I've made the adjustment, which looked right. In future if
you want to make changes, let us know with your wiki name.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] user group

[Mats Wichmann]

On 06/20/2017 08:56 AM, Barry Martin wrote:
> That's my clear stupidity, or lack of awareness. I apologize. I just created 
> a new login 'BarryMartin'.

added.

looking at the editors list, there are a number of others with spaces so
we probably don't have that note in the right place, and it probably
doesn't actually hurt anything. Sorry for the extra hoop I tossed for you ;)


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Starting a new page with a question

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On 06/04/2017 10:09 AM, John Patrick wrote:
> I am a newbie and want to ask a question about how to write a short python
> script. I don't see how to create a new page for this. My username is
> JohnPatrick. Thanks.

If your objective is to ask a question and get some possible answers,
you might try the tutor mailing list.  Not sure how effective a wiki
page is at generating feedback.  On the other hand, if you are seeking
to document your voyage of discovery about this question, it might make
more sense.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Perlego Python books

[Mats Wichmann]

On 09/05/2017 09:53 AM, Gauthier Van Malderen wrote:
> Hi Mats,
> 
> Awesome many thanks! My Wiki name is: Gauthier_Van_Malderen

you should be good to go now.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python for number theory tutorials

[Mats Wichmann]

On 09/09/2017 12:21 PM, Martin Weissman wrote:
> Dear Python Wiki administrators,
> 
> I'm a mathematician at UC Santa Cruz, and I've just written a series of
> Python tutorials oriented towards beginners who are pursuing number
> theory.  These are free, under a GPLv3 license.  While they are associated
> with my recent book, "An Illustrated Theory of Numbers", the book is not
> necessary for the tutorials, and I hope they are a good resource for the
> Python community.
> 
> I understand that you are not allowing public edits of the Wiki, but I
> would like to place a link beneath the "Scientific Audiences" section of
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers to my
> programming tutorials.  These are available at
> http://illustratedtheoryofnumbers.com/prog.html or directly on GitHub at
> https://github.com/MartyWeissman/Python-for-number-theory.  Please let me
> know if such links are appropriate, and provide editing access or add them
> directly if possible.

If you send your wiki name we'll turn on edit rights for you.


Note also that someone else JUST started a page that sounds related
(I'll include the full path since email won't understand WikiLinks):

https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Mathematics


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Re: [pydotorg-www] IDE wiki edit

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On 09/29/2017 06:38 AM, micah page wrote:
> I request to be added to the EditorsGroup of the wiki. I am one of the
> admins at python-forum.io and we link back to the following a lot and i
> would like to add Sublime Text Editor to that list of IDE's.
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
> 
> username: metulburr

You've been added as an editor, welcome aboard.

And you gave a chance to start a little bit of a discussion on these
pages :)  Wiki maintenance is hard even with lots of enthusiastic
volunteers!

SublimeText currently lives on the PythonEditors page rather than the
IDE page.  I'm not sure there's any absolute dividing line for which
belongs where, as the functionality begins to blur.  Perhaps you'd like
to make a suggestion.

I believe Atom is not listed on either page, I actually use and
recommend it to people - not exclusively, but as something, when
properly provisioned with add-ons, that is fairly quick to haul out for
certain tasks.  Feel free to add if you are so motivated.  Like Sublime,
it's not classically an IDE, but with the ability to launch a script
inline, to debug, etc. it provides most of the "IDE functionality" a
Python programmer would need. Categorization is not an easy call.

Since environments for doing effective Python development are a constant
question it would be cool to update these.

I'm also wondering about the reviews.  Do people think nearly 10 year
old reviews are still worth linking?  Should there be a cutoff? Maybe
move to an "old reviews" page?

The paragraph at the top of the IDE page points over to a page for
ShowMeDo tutorials, but that site is dead (DNS still resolves, but for
months now there has been no actual content). People keep pointing that
out, but the link page and references to it are still there.  There are
a lot of other nice video tutorials, though - e.g. Corey Schafer has
some nice stuff on provisioning several different environments.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing the "Python Training Events" page

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On 08/25/2017 03:22 AM, Austin Bingham wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to edit (or have edited for me) the "Python Training Events" page.
> My company is running a training course from Nov. 20-22 in Stavanger,
> Norway:
> 
> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/python-for-programmers-tickets-37300022371
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Austin Bingham

Only if you invite us all (though late November in Norway, might be a
bit dreary...)

Seriously, we will be happy to give you wiki editing rights if you just
tel us know your wiki name.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python MoinMoin edits

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/16/2017 10:30 PM, Andy Salnikov via pydotorg-www wrote:
> Hi, I have discovered couple of broken links on TkInter page
> (https://wiki.python.org/moin/TkInter) and wanted to update them. I just
> created my account (AndySalnikov) but apparently I cannot edit anything
> just yet. Could you add me to the editors please? Proposed changes to
> the TkInter page:

Added.  Thanks for volunteering. Hint: you don't have to stop here :)

Links to academic user accounts can indeed be a little fragile, these
don't exist somewhere else, I presume?
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Permission to edit PythonBooks wiki page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/11/2017 07:28 AM, dibya wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My name is Dibya and I created and maintain https://pythonbooks.org/. It
> features a categorized and ranked list of Python books. The site is updated
> every month to include newly published books and reflect new rankings. You
> can see the discussion about the site on reddit
> ,
> another discussion on reddit
> 
> and on HN .
> 
> The Wiki page PythonBooks provided inspiration for making this site. I
> noticed that the lists featured in the wiki are ordered by publication
> date. I thought users might benefit from popularity based ranking as this
> helps to quickly find the best books. I implemented this in
> https://pythonbooks.org/. Also a lot of work was put in to categorize
> Python books on specializations (ML, GUI etc) and the website currently has
> 23 categories in total (still growing).
> 
> I have received emails from Python users around the world who have
> benefited from the site's ranking and categorization. However, while the
> popularity of the website on reddit and HN has given it a strong start, I
> believe that there are still a lot of people who don't know about it.
> 
> Since the PythonBooks wiki is the gateway for a lot of people for finding
> Python books, I thought that a link to the website on the PythonBooks wiki
> page might give the website the required exposure and help users who are
> looking to find popular Python books in different categories.
> 
> Please take a look at the site. If you think that the website fulfills your
> standards, I would like to ask for permission to edit the PythonBooks wiki
> page such that I can add the link in the section "External sources of
> information".
> 
> My username on the Python Wiki is DibyaChakravorty.
> 
> I remain grateful and committed to the Python language and community.

It's an interesting topic.  We've had "ordering wars" with some pages
like books, where people come and put theirs first, then someone else
edits and moves theirs first.

Personally, I like the idea of ranking, but I don't like the idea of
using a "Bestseller Rank" for it - I presume this means Amazon?  Not all
books make it out to the world via Amazon. And sales volume may depend
more on better promotion than better quality.  Any thoughts of switching
to a ranking system which depends on user voting instead (not that that
isn't subject to abuse).

As to whether your page could be listed on the python wiki... I'll wait
a little bit and see if the other webmasters have an opinion.  Seems
like there's a place for something like that in the "External sources"
section.



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Re: [pydotorg-www] Need permission to edit buildbot pages on wiki

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/10/2017 10:34 AM, Craig Rodrigues wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My wiki account is CraigRodrigues
> 
> I want to make the following modifications to the buildbot wiki pages as
> specified here:
> 
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-buildbots/2017-October/000161.html
> 
> --
> Craig

You should have edit rights now.  Thanks for volunteering!


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Permission to edit PythonBooks wiki page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/12/2017 06:25 AM, dibya wrote:
> Thanks for your response. The bestseller rank indeed means the Amazon
> Bestseller Rank. I understand the reasons you mentioned about why this rank
> might not be the perfect way to rank the books - and that public voting
> might be better. However, I went ahead ahead with this choice for the
> following reasons:

> 2. From my experience, it seems that the Amazon Bestseller Rank, with all
> its faults, is still a very good indicator of quality. How do I know this?
> Well, I visited several online threads about best Python books for
> beginners, intermediate programmers, books on specializations like Data
> Science, Security etc. and made a list of books that people wholeheartedly
> recommend. Then I compared this list with what I get from the Bestseller
> Rank. It's astonishing how well the two lists match up in almost every
> case.  My conclusion from this is the following: you can promote a book all
> you want, but if you want strong sales, quality beats promotion.
> 
> 3. The third point is about books not on Amazon. I do believe this applies
> to only a small minority of Python books. According to my database, Amazon
> currently lists 1005 paperback Python books published since 2009. This is a
> quite complete database and all the popular books are definitely on there.
> I do understand that I might have missed one or two books that are not on
> Amazon, but that's a compromise that I was willing to make (because the
> alternatives were far inferior is terms of cost-benefit).

Not trying to argue, just making personal observations:

I get nearly all of my tech books at the moment electronically directly
from Packt.  At some time in the past I had a company-paid subscription
to Safari and those books arrived electronically as well.  I'm assuming
Amazon was never involved in any way in either set of transactions,
unless there's some kind of API where you can inject a record of a
"sale", though that's a particularly nebulous concept in the case of
subscription services, which I think are a significant factor
particularly in tech book sales - and probably cause "total downloads"
to be not indicative of quality: if an individual book is effectively
free, people grab it and then quickly ignore it if it's bad.  Maybe
Amazon's numbers are still representative on a proportional basis, I
don't know.


Anyway, there's nothing to prevent you from being marked as a wiki
editor, which is now the case.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] adding a free training

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/04/17 02:02, Ali Abdolrazagh علی عبدالرزاق wrote:
> I want to add a free python training that we called «introduction to
> programming using python»
> this open online course is with Persian language and there are more than
> 5000 subscribers in this course for now.

if you write back with your wiki name, you will be added as an editor.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit access at the wiki

[Mats Wichmann]

On 05/20/2018 06:28 AM, Mario Corchero wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'd like to request edit access to the wiki as I'd like to present myself
> as a board member candidate.
> I've created an account with this email (marioc...@gmail.com)
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> Mario

we need the wiki account name (that's not the same as your python.org
account, sadly).  If you haven't made one already:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications?action=newaccount

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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] dead link

[Mats Wichmann]

On 05/20/2018 08:28 AM, u...@bok-groep.nl wrote:
> On 20-05-18 14:47, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>> On 05/20/2018 05:46 AM, u...@bok-groep.nl wrote:
>>> Hello, here "
>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications#Personal_Information_Managers
>>> " is a link to
>>>
>>> " https://prioritiseapp.wordpress.com/ " there it say "The authors have
>>> deleted this site. "
>> Thanks.
>>
>> We can remove that entry, unless you'd like to do that yourself (if so,
>> send us your Python wiki name and we'll make you an editor)
>>
>>
>>
> Hello Mats, Thanks for the offer ,the name = Jan
> 
> 
> Old grumpy living near Amsterdam :)
> 
> 
> With regards Jan

Okay, added. if it doesn't work, please follow up to pydotorg-www@python.org

again, thanks for improving the quality of the wiki!



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Re: [pydotorg-www] Access to the Wiki

[Mats Wichmann]

On 05/21/2018 09:14 AM, Tania Rebeca Sanchez Monroy wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I am writing to get access to the Wiki. I am interested in getting access
> to https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSoftwareFoundation/BoardCandidates2018 
> to
> run for the board.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> 
> Tania Allard (Sanchez Monroy)
> Research software engineer at The University of Leeds

We'll be happy to enable that, but first you have to tell us your wiki
name.  If you don't have one yet:


https://wiki.python.org/moin/Applications?action=newaccount


(this account is different from a "regular" python.org account)


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[pydotorg-www] what should we tell people having trouble with wiki / board submissions

[Mats Wichmann]

seems there are a couple of people it's being difficult to get going to
add their candidacy, and at least one of them is nervous about the
approaching submission deadline.  do we have something we can tell these
folks if the time gets even tighter?  "try another WikiName"? small
extension if enabling editing proved problematic?

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing permissions for IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments for AndrewJanke

[Mats Wichmann]

On 05/26/2018 12:22 PM, Andrew Janke wrote:
> Good to go. I was able to edit the page. Thanks!
> 
> Andrew
> 

Thanks for taking this on... someone motivated to pick a an IDE is the
perfect candidate to update the tables.  You even inspired me to make a
few more changes!

While we're here, there are links to a number of articles that compare
IDEs.  In this modern world, there appear to be an infinite number of
"ten best" type articles, as, sadly, people have learned how effective
they are as clickbait, so I'm not sure how to refresh this list, but I'm
thinking that we should drop the older articles. The ones from 2000,
2005, even 2008 seem unlikely to be very applicable, as all of the
surviving IDEs have evolved, and some (BlackAdder?) don't seem to have
survived.  Any objections if I kill a few?  Andrew - if you found any
useful comparsion article, please feel free to add, I'm just thinking we
shouldn't add the dozens, maybe hundreds, of such comparisons that pop
up if you ask a search engine.

-- mats

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki editing request for account uranusjr

[Mats Wichmann]

On 10/18/2017 03:49 PM, Tzu-ping Chung wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to edit the information on the WindowsCompiler page[1].
> 
> I’ve been trying out toolchains listed on the page, and hit a problem at the 
> “Microsoft Visual C++ 10.0 standalone: Windows SDK 7.1 (x86, x64, ia64)” part.
> 
> It instructs me to install Microsoft .NET Framework 4, but the link takes me 
> to the Client Profile download[2], while in practice I found that I need to 
> install the full .NET framework[3]. The SDK installer refuses to run 
> otherwise (stating the .NET framework is not installed).
> 
> Thanks.

I have added "uranusjr" to the editors group.  If that was not your name
on the python wiki, please write back to pydotorg-www and we'll fix it
to the right one.

Thanks for offering to help maintain.  Unfortunately rules and
dependencies like this change all the time, so it's great if people are
keeping track.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] EditorsGroup

[Mats Wichmann]

On 10/23/2017 03:14 AM, Musa Abdulkareem wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
>  
> 
> My User Name is MusaAbdulkareem, and I would like to add the following to
> the Python Training page: 
> 
>  
> 
> ASComT offers training and consulting for Python in Nigeria and the rest of
> Africa for small and large companies with focus on numerical, scientific,
> and statistical applications, including data mining and artificial
> intelligence. Our training service include NumPy, SciPy, Matplotlib, Pandas,
> Seaborn, Scikit-learn, and other popular Python packages. Our consulting
> service include offering innovative, value driven solutions that help
> clients manage and analyse data. For further information please visit our
> website - www.ascomt.com.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Musa

You have been added to the editor group.  Thanks for contributing!

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki EditorsGroup

[Mats Wichmann]

On 10/23/2017 11:06 AM, Sergey Sokolov wrote:
> Greetings!
> 
> I'd like to add our local Saint Petersburg Python User Group to the 
> LocalUserGroups page and also our forthcoming conference Piter Py to the 
> Conferences page.
> My account name is SergeySokolov.

You should be able to edit now.  Thanks for contributing (you don't have
to stop at adding your group, Hint, Hint :))
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Unable to answer and write a difficult program

[Mats Wichmann]

On 10/27/2017 08:04 AM, Shivangi Dalmia wrote:
> The question is -Write a script  that repeatedly asks the user to enter a 
> 'customization option' to be added to an order of sunglasses. When the user 
> enters nothing, the script should stop asking for new 'customization 
> options', and display a message listing the customization options and stating 
> how many customization options there are. 
> Here's what a sample run might look like:
> Add as many customization options to your order of sunglasses as you want.
> When you're done, enter 'nothing'.
> What do you want add to the sunglasses now? titanium mechanism
> Okay.
> What do you want add to the sunglasses now? ear socks
> Okay.
> What do you want add to the sunglasses now? sub-etha sens-o-matic
> Okay.
> What do you want add to the sunglasses now? nothing
> There are 3 customization options added to the sunglasses:
> ['titanium mechanism', 'ear socks', 'sub-etha sens-o-matic’]
> 
> the number of customization options for the sunglasses order, and
> a lists all the customization options added to the sunglasses order.
> You need to use the function definition
> The print and input functions cannot be used in this program 
> I am unable to solve the program. It would be extremely helpful if I could 
> get its solution. 


This would be a really good question to take up at the Python tutor
mailing list. See:

https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor

to sign up.

The list members will ask you to post some code you have already
attempted, so please do that: show what you have tried and how it has
failed, rather than just asking "can I get the solution". Since it
sounds like a homework problem you will probably get guidance, but not
"the solution".

Best of luck, and welcome to Python!


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Re: [pydotorg-www] NCAEvent on March

[Mats Wichmann]

On 01/25/2018 04:19 PM, Roland Golla wrote:
> Hello Python Team,
> 
> we will do a live coding workshop on Münster Germany. There will be 4
> sessions with live coding and wireless keyboards. This is a really cool
> format for very good know how transfer. We will do this for free. The 10,-
> Euro Ticket is only to do valid registration. The people can gat it back or
> we donate it. It is in german language. But please help us to push the
> community. Please add it to your community workshop page and share it on
> social media.
> 
> Here is the link
> https://nevercodealone.de/influencerdb/
> 
> Keep clean
> Roland

It's a community-edited resource, the Python wiki.

If you'd like to add your information, let us know your identifier on
the Python wiki and we'll enable you as an editor.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Would like to be able to edit my entry on the PythonConsulting, PythonTrainers and my name's page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 01/29/2018 09:01 AM, Vasudev Ram wrote:
> Hello,

> https://wiki.python.org/moin/VasudevRam
...
> So I request you to add me to the EditorsGroup so that I can edit those
> pages above that contain information about me, to correct the links. I have
> mentioned the intended edits above.
> 
> Thank you.
> Vasudev Ram

added using the name noted above.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit wiki pages

[Mats Wichmann]

On 02/15/2018 05:04 AM, Yennick Schepers wrote:
> Dear
> 
> Account name: yen
> 
> I would like to edit:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups
> 
> The page contains out of date information about:
> - many Belgian meetups and mailing lists are out of date
> - Add the PythonTrier meetup to Germany
> - Add Luxembourg: general community mailinglist and the nearby PythonTrier
> Meetup in Trier Germany (not Luxembourg, but just a short drive away)

added - please go ahead!

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Re: [pydotorg-www] edit rights to https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages

[Mats Wichmann]

On 03/06/2018 02:28 PM, wlavrij...@lbl.gov wrote:
> Chris,
> 
> thanks!
> 
> For the articles mentioned in the list (about a third into the page
> (1)), all
> of them are ancient (newest from 2003), describing obsolete tech. One link
> still works and I was able to find a live link for another. Last one
> appears
> to be completely discarded. Similar for the weave page (2), which refers to
> a project that still exists, but is declared obsolete (all links are dead).
> 
> Any rules for this, or place to discuss?

Not really. Wikis are like this... time wounds them, and there's nobody
"assigned to maintain".

Just a personal view: sometimes I'll move an obsolete chunk to its own
section at the bottom of the page with a header that says "this is old
content, links don't work and will be removed eventually unless somebody
resurrects it".  Sometimes just throw it out.  The wiki is versioned, so
if the decision was wrong, an older version of the page can be recovered.



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Re: [pydotorg-www] please allow MichaelDeLaRue to edit wiki

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On 10/15/2018 11:15 AM, pywwwlst.md...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I have set up the account MichaelDeLaRue - I wanted to update the GNU
> Privacy Guard page with more up to date information
> 
>   https://wiki.python.org/moin/GnuPrivacyGuard
> 
> and possibly other pages as and when I see problems in them.
> 
> All the best
>   Michael

You've been added to the editor list. Thanks for helping out!
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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] 504 when creating account on Wiki

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On 10/31/18 8:53 AM, Alex Garel wrote:

>> I just tried from here and got the same timeout... the UbuntuOne page it
>> pops to (I thought UbuntuOne was dead? or was it just some part of it?)
>> is fine, but then you say okay, the browser status line says it's
>> waiting for wiki.python.org, and eventually I get the timeout screen.
> 
> I don't think the problem is with OpenID or login, I think that account
> creation is broken (and OpenID fails because of that only).
> 
> I just tried now (14:49 UTC) to create an account *the standard way*
> [1], and registration form ends with "504".

well, I have an account, and have openid already set up on it (has
worked in the past), so account creation problem doesn't seem quite
what's happening to me.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] 504 when creating account on Wiki

[Mats Wichmann]

On 10/31/18 3:02 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 31.10.2018 09:27, Alex Garel wrote:
>> Le 30/10/2018 à 23:09, M.-A. Lemburg a écrit :
>>> It's possible that OpenID using Launchpad stopped working. I believe
>>> Google auth also doesn't work anymore.
>>>
>>> Perhaps we ought to remove the OpenID mentions from the login page.
>>> I just don't know where exactly to look for this in the templates.
>>
>>
>> "grep OpenIDAuth" should be your friend, see
>> https://moinmo.in/HelpOnAuthentication
> 
> If it were that easy :-) We are using a custom template for the
> wiki
> 
>> Do you think my normal registration did not work because my email was
>> burnt by OpenID tentative ?
> 
> Ok, I just tried Launchpad OpenID login and it is still working,

I just tried from here and got the same timeout... the UbuntuOne page it
pops to (I thought UbuntuOne was dead? or was it just some part of it?)
is fine, but then you say okay, the browser status line says it's
waiting for wiki.python.org, and eventually I get the timeout screen.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Editing Permissions

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On 11/4/18 4:07 AM, David Beazley wrote:
> Can I get editing permissions back for DavidBeazley?   I'd like to edit some 
> of my entries for Python Training and such.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave

All set. Welcome (welcome back, I guess).


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Permission to edit PythonDebuggingTools

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On 11/11/18 4:43 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to edit https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonDebuggingTools to add a
> row birdseye (https://github.com/alexmojaki/birdseye) to the last table. My
> wiki username is alexmojaki.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex

you should be good to go now.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Editing Permission Request

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On 10/09/2018 10:00 PM, Tsuneo Yoshioka wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I want to edit the list of  Online Editors page below(Adding 
> paiza.IO/PaizaCloud).
>https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors
> 
> Cay you add me to allow to edit the page ?
> 
> Thank you !

We can, but need to know your name on the wiki.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit wiki page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 09/20/2018 12:48 PM, Giles Thomas wrote:
> On 20/09/18 18:18, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>> On 09/20/2018 09:22 AM, Giles Thomas wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I'd like to edit the FreeHosts and SpecializedCommercialHosts pages on
>>> the python.org wiki in order to update the Python versions supported by
>>> PythonAnywhere.   Could I get access in order to do that?
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Giles
>>>
>> absolutely. we'll need your wiki name to add it to the editors list,
>> however.
> 
> Gah, I'm sorry -- I was right on the page where it mentioned that you
> needed that and completely forgot.   I'm "GilesThomas".

okay, you should be set to go.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit wiki page

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On 09/21/2018 08:20 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 21.09.2018 15:21, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>> On 09/21/2018 05:37 AM, Giles Thomas wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to edit the FreeHosts and SpecializedCommercialHosts pages on
>>>>>>> the python.org wiki in order to update the Python versions
>>>>>>> supported by
>>>>>>> PythonAnywhere.   Could I get access in order to do that?
>>
>>> Thanks!  I was able to update FreeHosts -- however,
>>> SpecializedCommercialHosts is still showing up as an immutable page.
>>
>> yes, when I go look that page is marked differently:
>>
>> #acl TrustedEditorsGroup:read,write,delete,revert All:read
>>
>> I, at least don't know why that is, but since that is not a common
>> setting, I presume there's a reason.  If someone else does not pop up
>> with comments, one of us can stuff your changes in there.
> I suppose this was added due to spamming in the past. With the
> approach we're using now, this is no longer needed. You can
> remove it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 


Gah, this area is a bit confused.

So we have a page FreeHosts, a page NonCommercialHosting, a page
OtherCommercialHosts, and a page SpecializedCommercialHosts. All of them
end with a reference to PythonHosting, a page which does not exist.

As a bit of cleanup I'd like at least to remove the link to
PythonHosting, unless that's something we should resurrect from whatever
dumpster it went into, and add an introductory line to those of the four
that don't have one giving the definition of the category (specialized
and non-commercial have one, free and other-commercial don't).

Or... we could do something different  anyone else who wants to dive
in, please do.






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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit wiki page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 09/21/2018 07:49 AM, Giles Thomas wrote:
> On 21/09/18 14:21, Mats Wichmann wrote:
>> On 09/21/2018 05:37 AM, Giles Thomas wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to edit the FreeHosts and SpecializedCommercialHosts
>>>>>>> pages on
>>>>>>> the python.org wiki in order to update the Python versions
>>>>>>> supported by
>>>>>>> PythonAnywhere.   Could I get access in order to do that?
>>>>>>>
>>> Thanks!  I was able to update FreeHosts -- however,
>>> SpecializedCommercialHosts is still showing up as an immutable page.
>> yes, when I go look that page is marked differently:
>>
>> #acl TrustedEditorsGroup:read,write,delete,revert All:read
>>
>> I, at least don't know why that is, but since that is not a common
>> setting, I presume there's a reason.  If someone else does not pop up
>> with comments, one of us can stuff your changes in there.
> 
> I guess that page might be particularly prone to being filled up with
> spam  anyway, thanks!  The changes I'd like to make are on the
> PythonAnywhere line, and it is to change the Python version to "2.7,
> 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, 3.7" and the last update to "2018-09".

those are tiny, so I just dropped them in.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit wiki page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 09/21/2018 05:37 AM, Giles Thomas wrote:

> I'd like to edit the FreeHosts and SpecializedCommercialHosts pages on
> the python.org wiki in order to update the Python versions
> supported by
> PythonAnywhere.   Could I get access in order to do that?

> Thanks!  I was able to update FreeHosts -- however,
> SpecializedCommercialHosts is still showing up as an immutable page.

yes, when I go look that page is marked differently:

#acl TrustedEditorsGroup:read,write,delete,revert All:read

I, at least don't know why that is, but since that is not a common
setting, I presume there's a reason.  If someone else does not pop up
with comments, one of us can stuff your changes in there.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit wiki page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 09/20/2018 09:22 AM, Giles Thomas wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I'd like to edit the FreeHosts and SpecializedCommercialHosts pages on
> the python.org wiki in order to update the Python versions supported by
> PythonAnywhere.   Could I get access in order to do that?
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Giles
> 

absolutely. we'll need your wiki name to add it to the editors list,
however.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to edit wiki page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 09/21/2018 09:54 AM, Giles Thomas wrote:

>> Gah, this area is a bit confused.
>>
>> So we have a page FreeHosts, a page NonCommercialHosting, a page
>> OtherCommercialHosts, and a page SpecializedCommercialHosts. All of them
>> end with a reference to PythonHosting, a page which does not exist.
>>
>> As a bit of cleanup I'd like at least to remove the link to
>> PythonHosting, unless that's something we should resurrect from whatever
>> dumpster it went into, and add an introductory line to those of the four
>> that don't have one giving the definition of the category (specialized
>> and non-commercial have one, free and other-commercial don't).
>>
>> Or... we could do something different  anyone else who wants to dive
>> in, please do.
> 
> I'd love to dive in and help, but as someone with very much of a vested
> interest in what those pages look like, I probably am not the right
> person to do that.
> 
> That said, something else I've noticed is that there appear to be a
> number of dead links.   On FreeHosts:
> 
>  * Frihost times out
>  * WikiWikiWeb.de gives a 503 error
> 
> On SpecializedCommercialHosts:
> 
>  * INGATE occurs twice, as INGATE and Ingate
>  * RSHosting occurs four times, as RSHosting, RSHostingUK, UK Reseller
>    Web Hosting and Reseller Hosting.  The latter two link to 404 pages.
>  * 30loops appears to go to a spam page
>  * ZyrixHost goes to a domain registrar's holding page
>  * Amaze goes to a recruitment company
>  * Centada Python Hosting -- domain no longer exists
>  * Computer Frontiers -- goes to a default Apache install
>  * CornerHost.com -- goes to a spam page
>  * Development Island -- has shut down
>  * DjangoDomain -- domain no longer exists
>  * Diginode Networks -- no page
>  * High Speed Rails -- domain registrar's holding page
>  * Hospedagem de Sites -- times out.  (HomeHost - Hospedagem de sites
>    works, however)
>  * Hub-Hub -- goes to a site that appears to be for creating websites
>    with no technical knowledge, which is quite the opposite of what it
>    used to be.  Apparently is pending renewal or deletion as of 2009...
>  * Quaxim -- domain no longer exists
>  * Dedicated Web Servers -- 404 page, root page on the domain does not
>    respond
>  * Sonologic -- has shut down
>  * Wikihosting.nl - 404 on front page
>  * UK Dedicated Hosting - PHP error
>  * WebNet Hosting -- some kind of login thing on the front page
> 
> A number of others went to 404 pages, but all had links that took you to
> what -- at a quick glance -- looked like a hosting company, so I've not
> noted them.
> 
> I'd be happy to sort the above out if it's OK with you.

please!  any help welcome!

(Steve Holden says glowing things so we trust you anyway  :))

I've restored the PythonHosting page from the internet archive with just
minimal formatting, so that link should work again now.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Logins on wiki.python.org don't seem to be working

[Mats Wichmann]

On 1/1/19 3:24 PM, Christer Enfors wrote:
> I'm trying to login using Chrome on Linux, but I keep getting gateway
> timeout messages. I think this is the email address to which one should
> report such problems?

Gott nytt år!

The timeout seems to be occurring a lot. so we do "know about it", I'm
not sure anyone was yet convinced it wasn't just transient busy-ness.

I think this is evidence there is something that does need attention.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit Python Listing

[Mats Wichmann]

On 12/20/18 10:00 AM, Jody Nelson wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> I am trying to edit our listing on:
> 
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining
> 
> 
> We need to change our company name, as that has changed recently and the 
> duration of the python courses as well:

If you tell us your wiki name, we can give you edit rights.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] need edit access

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On 12/21/18 5:50 AM, shu...@everdata.com wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have registered on the python wiki and need edit access on this following 
> username and email address.
> 
> Username:- shubhivijay
> 
> Email address:- shu...@everdata.com
> 
> thanks 

you should be good to go now.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Pakt Publishing using wiki for SEO

[Mats Wichmann]

On 1/2/19 3:50 AM, Steve Holden wrote:
> I'd agree this is abuse. We should revert the content to include the
> deleted links, and stop these automated updates.
> 
> regards
> Steve Holden
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 10:22 AM M.-A. Lemburg  wrote:
> 
>> I don't know if you are aware, but Pakt has been publishing (apparently)
>> their complete list of Python books on the wiki, adding new titles
>> to the top of the page in an apparently automated way:
>>
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info
>>
>> Not only that, but they removed older entries from the page:
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AdvancedBooks?action=info_count=100=200
>>
>> e.g. the Python Cookbook is no longer listed.
>>
>> I don't think the purpose of the wiki should be SEO and even less
>> removing competitor links.
>>
>> I think we should take action here, e.g. restore the old version of
>> the page and add a single link to the Pakt website instead of
>> the current endless list of entries.
>>
>> Thoughts ?
>>
>> --
>> Marc-Andre Lemburg

Certainly, content should not be removed, that may have been a mistake
maybe?

Do we have firm guidelines on where to add a new entry if you're adding
to a list?  By date of entry (i.e. top or bottom)? Alphabetical? etc.  I
believe a few wiki pages do state a preference, but the book pages of
today do not.  I don't look at books any longer, but scanning over the
introductory and andvanced books pages leaves me with the impression
this would not be very useful to anyone, it's just a seemingly endless
list with no organization at all.  It's better where the top page splits
out specialist topics, but there probably aren't enough of those buckets
now, and Packt seem happy to put everything on the advanced page... I
just tried a couple of links there and they 404, so they're not even
current, sigh:

Learn Computer Vision with Python and OpenCV [Video]
Learning Vue.js 2.0

... the former sounds pretty specialized, the latter doesn't even sound
like a Python book.

Just wondering if in addition to nudging Packt again, we can maybe help
out a bit with organizational ideas?  I don't have any specific idea for
presenting a long list of books in a better way.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Want to be added to the editors group

[Mats Wichmann]

On 1/26/19 1:08 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 7:02 PM letsfindcourse  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I  want to edit the page but I am unable to edit that. So can you please 
>> allow me to edit the page.
>> My wiki name : letsfindcourse
>>
>> Thank you
>> Letsfindcourse
> 
> I'm 85% confident that this is legit (with language barrier, possibly
> Indian) and 15% dubious that this is SEO spam.

85/15 is a bit lean for the best burgers, 70/30 is the way to go.

I guess we'll find out!!! :)


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Edition request for the WebFrameworks wiki

[Mats Wichmann]

On 2/10/19 4:01 PM, Florimond Manca wrote:
> I just made the change, thanks!
> 
> I was wondering — how relevant would it be to create a separate section for 
> asynchronous frameworks?
> 
> There is actually quite a few of them. Some are in the list already (Quart, 
> Sanic, and now Bocadillo) and some not yet (Starlette, Responder, Vibora, 
> Japronto, etc.).
> 
> Perhaps it would be better to set them apart in a section called « 
> Asynchronous frameworks » or similar. I’m not sure whether there should be a 
> distinction between fullstack/non-fullstack since all existing async 
> frameworks are quite « micro ».

Given the "you're either in the non-async world or you're in the async
world" nature exposed by your first point, why don't you just go for it?
It's a wiki, if people hate it it can just be changed again.

Less clear on fullstack/non-fullstack distinction, maybe others have
opinions? (or you could elaborate further?)
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Re: [pydotorg-www] website: something is weird

[Mats Wichmann]

On 6/2/19 5:00 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 8:51 AM Mats Wichmann  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I look at the downloads page a lot as one of the volunteers on the
>> "webmaster" alias people ask questions about downloads all the time
>> (yes, we have an auto-response that points to more official resources,
>> but we try to be nice as well :)
>>
>> Just now, something has gone strange.  I get a garbled page which is
>> headed by this:
>>
>> Notice: While Javascript is not essential for this website, your
>> interaction with the content will be limited. Please turn Javascript on
>> for the full experience.
>>
> 
> I'm not seeing that problem, but I've heard reports from around the
> internet of various outages affecting a lot of different services, and
> I'm wondering if perhaps a critical library failed to download. The
> site appears to use jQuery from googleapis.com, so if there's any sort
> of failure accessing that (I've heard hints that suggest possible DNS
> failures??), that could break the whole site.

I've poked around a bit, it hasn't broken the whole site.  Indeed,
python.org's homepage looks fine and is using javascript (confirmed by
looking at page source, although there was little doubt from the way it
behaves).  So jquery seems like a good guess...




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[pydotorg-www] website: something is weird

[Mats Wichmann]

I look at the downloads page a lot as one of the volunteers on the
"webmaster" alias people ask questions about downloads all the time
(yes, we have an auto-response that points to more official resources,
but we try to be nice as well :)

Just now, something has gone strange.  I get a garbled page which is
headed by this:

Notice: While Javascript is not essential for this website, your
interaction with the content will be limited. Please turn Javascript on
for the full experience.


Javascript is certainly not disabled in my browser, lots of other
javascripty things are working fine (Firefox dropped the UI to even
disable it many releases ago, though it's still possible if you follow
instructions off the internet).


I'm assuming something else that is blocked here is causing a problem -
or - heaven forfend, just some kind of bug...

Anybody else see this?  Any ideas?

actually, I just went somewhere else on the website by opening a saved
tab, and see the same:

https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0287/

so I amended the subject line before sending this
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Re: [pydotorg-www] website: something is weird

[Mats Wichmann]

On 6/2/19 5:15 PM, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 6/2/19 5:00 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 8:51 AM Mats Wichmann  wrote:
...
>>> Just now, something has gone strange.  I get a garbled page which is
>>> headed by this:
>>>
>>> Notice: While Javascript is not essential for this website, your
>>> interaction with the content will be limited. Please turn Javascript on
>>> for the full experience.
>>>
>>
>> I'm not seeing that problem, but I've heard reports from around the
>> internet of various outages affecting a lot of different services, and
>> I'm wondering if perhaps a critical library failed to download. The
>> site appears to use jQuery from googleapis.com, so if there's any sort
>> of failure accessing that (I've heard hints that suggest possible DNS
>> failures??), that could break the whole site.
> 
> I've poked around a bit, it hasn't broken the whole site.  Indeed,
> python.org's homepage looks fine and is using javascript (confirmed by
> looking at page source, although there was little doubt from the way it
> behaves).  So jquery seems like a good guess...

Just to follow up, everything looks normal today.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] python2 EoL wiki "Python2orPython3"

[Mats Wichmann]

On 5/21/19 4:00 PM, Steve Holden wrote:

> My own personal preference would be to wave a respectful goodbye to 2.7
> from the (Python core) developer community, with encouragement to all
> who aspire to the open source ethic to continue to breathe life into
> those bits that remain useful. Probably the same question should be
> debated within the PSF more broadly, since the Foundation might well be
> prepared to act as a continued conduit for support to the Python 2
> community.
> 
> The main thrust should definitely be "only if you absolutely have to,
> for well-defined reasons

and more

> >
> > The simplest solution I see is to add a "top header / block" that
> says the summary of:
> > "It is Python3 going forward, officially as of Jan2020. This page
> is largely out of date, but kept for historical reference as it
> provides value for maintaining legacy Python2 systems."
> >
> 
> I can't speak for everyone, only myself. Personally, I think the page
> should basically say "use Python 3 unless you're maintaining legacy
> code", with some elaborating information; other people may have other
> preferred pitches.
obviously it's going to be an opinionated thing. and the wiki is fine
for that (to an extent), I don't think we need to worry quite as much
about "what policy does the PSF want to follow" here before even getting
started... and if someone takes offense "we" can just edit it some more.

So I'd say if there's an editor who feels strongly about improving it,
just go ahead and improve it. and then we can look at it and react. It's
possible to subscribe to page changes, which I do, I'll pop up with
something if I think it's worth it.

In My So Vey Humble Opinion, any efforts to keep pages current are
better than waiting around to get lots of people to agree minute details
and as a result things staying stale... stale being always a wiki risk
anyways.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] About translation

[Mats Wichmann]

On 5/6/19 7:06 AM, The FLOSS Information wrote:
> I have a GitHub account, but is CC0 used for English translations? Also,
> where can I find files with the ".po" extension?

people on those mailing lists should be able to help.

>  
> 06.05.2019, 00:06, "Mats Wichmann" :
> 
> On 5/5/19 1:38 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
> 
>  The PSF has a documentation group who will, I am sure, be
> delighted to
>  welcome you into the community and help you make plans for your
> translation.
> 
>  I'm not actually sure whether you'd be better talking to doc-sig
>  (https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/doc-sig) or the docs list
>  (https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/docs. A glimpse at the
>  archives indicates the latter is rather more active, so
> probably start
>  there.
> 
> 
> on the other hand, doc-sig has had all its recent discussions be
> specifically about translations.
> 
> Please read this as a starting point:
> 
> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0545/
>  
> 

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Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] About translation

[Mats Wichmann]

On 5/5/19 1:38 PM, Steve Holden wrote:
> The PSF has a documentation group who will, I am sure, be delighted to
> welcome you into the community and help you make plans for your translation.
> 
> I'm not actually sure whether you'd be better talking to doc-sig
> (https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/doc-sig) or the docs list
> (https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/docs. A glimpse at the
> archives indicates the latter is rather more active, so probably start
> there.

on the other hand, doc-sig has had all its recent discussions be
specifically about translations.

Please read this as a starting point:

https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0545/

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Code of Conduct for wiki usage?

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> For the CoC issue, and if it does or does not violate the CoC, I think you
> should fire this off to p...@python.org.  This is where I don't like
> intentionally vague guidelines.  Yes, they stop schoolkid rule lawyering,
> but it does mean we depend on adjudicators quite a bit.

There's never been anything easy about preventing abuse, every approach
has its problems - as a large number of problems have found out over the
past few years as it seems to have gotten more popular to complain about
bad actors (we always _used_ to say "don't feed the trolls", I think
it's become more recognized that approach is not really sufficient).

in any case, if we believe wiki contributions are covered by the CoC I
believe the wiki should say so explicitly. As Chris noted in starting
this iteration of the thread, it doesn't.  The front page doesn't, the
editing guidelines has some bullets but doesn't reference the CoC by
name.  Editors ought to be told...

Also while I agree a CoC should not be too specific, I really think this
one is too non-specific, as it doesn't say you have to follow it.

"When you're working with members of the community, we encourage you to
follow these guidelines"

That's a PSF matter, of course, but just sayin'



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Re: [pydotorg-www] issues logging in to wiki.python.org (server timeout)

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/11/19 8:13 AM, Matt Callaghan wrote:
> anyone else having login issues to wiki.python.org?

It's a known issue for a considerable while now.  Mitigating it requires
some infrastructure work that I'm not sure is scheduled.

Unfortunately the only advice we can give at this point is "keep trying" ...

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Editing Request- Developer from Washington DC

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/8/19 6:34 AM, matt_z...@myhsts.org wrote:
> Good Morning Steve,
> 
> When I go to the below page, it says immutable page and I can not edit it.
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers
> 
> Can you give me access to edit this page? Also, can I create a profile
> page on Wiki?

I can't see that the page has any particular roles that would keep any
editor from editing.  It probably means you're not actually logged in...
or the wiki name that got entered into the editors list doesn't match
your real wiki name.

hsts is indeed the last entry in the editors file, so not quite sure

> 
> Thx,
> Matt
> 
> 
> Quoting Steve Holden :
> 
>> Thanks for taking an interest in the Wiki. You should now be an editor!
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Steve Holden
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 9:56 PM  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I like to have access to Python Wiki pages and do editing on Python
>>> training materials and pages like below:
>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pls register me by mahdi...@gmail.com and my wikiname is hsts
>>>
>>> Thx,
>>> Matt
>>> -- 
>>> Matt Zand
>>> Program Manager
>>> High School Technology Services
>>> 3165 Mt Pleasant St NW, 2nd floor
>>> Washington DC, 20010 USA
>>> Tel: +1-240-200-6131
>>> Fax: +1-301-327-8773
>>> Skype: HSTS_DC
>>> www.myhsts.org
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[pydotorg-www] Followup: Re: [Webmaster] Offensive content on page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/3/19 6:14 AM, Tara Hamilton wrote:
> Good Afternoon!
> 
> I’ve just been looking at your website and I came across this webpage:
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/AppsWithPythonScripting
> 
> Unfortunately, when I click the link ‘c/c++ user journal,’ it redirects
> me to a payday loan site.
> 
> I thought I should let you know so that you can remove the link.
> 
> With best regards,
> 
> Tara

So as a further followup, this has been going on in many places, and
most people are concluding it's a scam. It happened to come across a
different place I'm subscribed to... I'm not sure I'm suspicious enough
to completely endorse their conclusion, but here's what a part of the
gcc team responded - the report of their "bad links" were on sites that
mirror old libstdc++ content and are way out of date (the official pages
have long since had the reference to the expired site removed). Do we
deserve praise or blame for reacting more politely, I wonder?  :)

Just FYI to people who reacted to our go-round with this.

-- mats


===

>
> Good Afternoon!
>
> I’ve just been looking at your website and I came across these webpages:

[snip]

> I thought I should let you know so that you can remove the link.

As I'm sure you realise, we can't remove the links because they're not
on our website. Please stop this link farming, your site has already
been reported to google so will not get any boost in page rank from
your pathetic attempts to promote it.

Also, your pathetic attempts to create links from the mailing list
archives don't even work because the links get removed, see:

https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2019-07/msg00050.html
https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2019-07/msg00051.html

You're getting blocked from posting to our lists now, goodbye.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Python Wiki Editing Request- Developer from Washington DC

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/8/19 12:04 PM, matt_z...@myhsts.org wrote:
> I got lost. Nothing works. Pls verify my info
> 
> Name: MattZand
> password: xyz
> OpenID: hsts
> 
> email: mahdi...@gmail.com

best I can see, the name in the editors list is "hsts". It apparently
should be "MattZand", but that name is not in that list. Oddly, I can
see that a page was changed by MattZand:

2019-07-08
[https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide?action=diff]
BeginnersGuide  05:29   [INFO]  ?MattZand

so now I'm pretty confused too.  If the openid attached to a wiki
account can be in the list instead of the wiki name itself its news to
me (wouldn't be the first time)...  but apparently you were able to make
a change once? Is that right? And then a second page didn't work?


> 
> I tried another browser and it is the same.

it's not a browser issue.


Anybody know what's happening here?
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit Python wiki - to change moin/SimplePrograms to compile on Python 3

[Mats Wichmann]

On 9/12/19 6:32 PM, Tadeu Borges Abreu Sampaio wrote:
> It is 
> tadeubas
> 
> Em Qui, 12 de set de 2019 20:48, Mats Wichmann  <mailto:m...@wichmann.us>> escreveu:
> 
> On 9/12/19 5:28 PM, Tadeu Borges Abreu Sampaio wrote:
> > Hi, I am new to the Python community and I am coding in Python 3,
> >
> > I am testing all of the codes on *SimplePrograms* page with Python 3,
> > there is minor changes that need to be done in order to the code to
> > compile. I could do that job!
> >
> > *Plz allow me to edit the wiki in order to update things to Python
> 3 or
> > correct minor things!*


you should be enabled to edit now.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit Python wiki - to change moin/SimplePrograms to compile on Python 3

[Mats Wichmann]

On 9/12/19 5:28 PM, Tadeu Borges Abreu Sampaio wrote:
> Hi, I am new to the Python community and I am coding in Python 3,
> 
> I am testing all of the codes on *SimplePrograms* page with Python 3,
> there is minor changes that need to be done in order to the code to
> compile. I could do that job!
> 
> *Plz allow me to edit the wiki in order to update things to Python 3 or
> correct minor things!*

we certainly welcome the contributions.

but we're going to need to know your wiki name in order to enable
editing privileges.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing the Python Web Hosting pages

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/23/19 6:15 AM, stanimir wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Silly me - my username is StanimirDjevelekov.
> 
> I am thinking of alphabetical order, as both standard and fair for all
> the listed companies/providers - the only other option I can think of is
> the entries' last date of modification, but I don't think that it would
> be a better choice.

We have this issue on a number of other pages (in fact, we have some
past history of people (apparently) trying to improve their "search
rank" by moving their entry up).  Alphabetical is at least a fair, if
arbitrary, approach (waiting for somebody to rename their company
Best, paper-telephone-book style :)) ... do add a note to the effect
that the list should be kept alphabetised to avoid further confusion.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] issues logging in to wiki.python.org (server timeout)

[Mats Wichmann]

On 7/18/19 7:58 AM, Matt Callaghan wrote:
> Hm. OK. I've never once been able to login. I wonder if there are
> certain times of days or something that are broken and coincidentally
> I'm always trying during peak load?


Are you trying the regular wiki login, or one of the linked services
(openid)?  The latter seems to be what is causing trouble; the plain
text-based login seems to consistently work fine for me.

Hoping people who know more about the details of the infra have their
ears on...


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Improve documentation

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/1/19 2:51 PM, אייל טרבלסי wrote:

Hi,
I recently stumbled upon https://wiki.python.org/moin/TimeComplexity and 
think it really lack the performance of the collections modules I 
created a medium article here and would love to update the docs as well


"here" - was there supposed to be a link?

updating this page would be useful, but it's had work by a number of 
Python "luminaries" (in the page history I see names like Aahz, Thomas 
Wouters, Andrew Kuchling and Fred Drake)... I wonder if it would be good 
to line up others to take a look at your updated conclusions as well?


do you have a wiki name set up? that's needed in order to add you as an 
editor.



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[pydotorg-www] wiki: WebFrameworks

[Mats Wichmann]

This page is a little funky:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks

It's divided into multiple sections:

Popular Full-Stack
Other Full-Stack
Popular Non Full-Stack
Other Non Full-Stack
Discontinued/Inactive

the first section is a table
the second section starts as a table, then has more entries as a list
the rest are lists

(btw in the first section one entry tries (apparently) to implement a 
list in one of the table cells, but that doesn't work in moin unless you 
load an add-on macro which we don't, apparently, have - see 
https://moinmo.in/MacroMarket/MiniPage - and that needs special syntax 
anyway)


Is this inconsistent appearance intentional, or is just the result of 
organic growth over time?  Who decides "popular" vs "other"? (hard to 
disagree with the three in Popular Full-Stack!). Is there any real value 
to keeping the discontinued ones?


I find the page too busy to be very useful, in common with a few others 
where too many entries is as unfortunate as too few, but I'm not finding 
myself motivated to spend tons of time cleaning it up; Web Frameworks 
aren't my space anyway. Would splitting it into two pages, like we do 
with Python Editors vs IDEs, be worthwhile? I ended up taking a look 
because someone (without the inclination to do edits themselves, sigh) 
emailed webmaster to suggest that Masonite needed a link on the website, 
and I suggested we could start with the Wiki...


-- mats
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/18/19 6:51 AM, Thomas Güttler wrote:

Hi,

this page is very outdated. It contains notes about Python 2.2 and 
Python 2.4.


It would be very kind if this page could get updated:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips#Profiling_Code


there's some contract work going on to update the wiki for the new 
reality that Python 3 is the only suggested work. Hopefully that will 
pick up part of this work, but if probably won't provide the kind of 
technical updating you're asking for.


the sort of generic response would be "it's a wiki, if you see a problem 
please make/propose changes".  I don't know if you're in a position to 
help with that...



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Re: [pydotorg-www] Performance Tips: outdated

[Mats Wichmann]

On 11/18/19 7:46 AM, Thomas Güttler wrote:

Hi Mats,

I maintain the wiki in our company since more than ten years.
Wikis are great for creating and adding text.
BUT: Who is responsible for deleting text?
Most people dare to add something.
But removing stuff gets avoided.
I don't dare to remove anything on this page, too.

Regards,
   Thomas Güttler


it's how wikis organically grow stale...

here's one approach that's been used recently on the Python wiki - 
remove a bunch of outdated stuff and leave a link to the version before 
the removal.  For an example:


https://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms

see the very end where it says:

These all run under Python 3. If you are interested in differences 
between Python 2 and Python 3, please take a look at the previous 
version of this page.



which came from this sort of wiki markup:

These all run under Python 3. If you are interested in differences 
between Python 2 and Python 3, please take a look at the 
[[https://wiki.python.org/moin/SimplePrograms?action=recall=154|previous 
version of this page]].



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Re: [pydotorg-www] Trouble logging in to add Python Training event info to https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining/Events

[Mats Wichmann]

On 12/3/19 5:30 AM, Tom Walker wrote:

Hi there,

We would love to be able to update our listing on 
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining/ and also add event data to 
https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTraining/Events


I’m not sure if our login details have expired but every time I’ve 
checked to see if I could login (going back some time) I’ve received 
504: bad gateway.


Should I try registering a new account? I’d previously registered with 
cont...@frameworktraining.co.uk 


Many thanks for any assistance you can give :-)

Kind regards,

Tom


we have bursts of this problem, it's believed due to overloaded VM 
(overloaded by being hammered by bots trying to break in, not because it 
itself is doing too much work).


the credentials you mention don't look like wiki credentials, however, 
they're supposed to be in the form of a WikiName, and are not related to 
credentials elsewhere on python.org.  I certainly don't see anything 
that contains "framework" in the list of people authorized to edit 
pages. Are you sure those are the right credentials?



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[pydotorg-www] Fwd: [Webmaster] Spam on python.org/users/Annabelle-2-2017-watch-online/

[Mats Wichmann]

although the referenced page doesn't have live links, it's still 
dodgy... not sure who can address such - anyone?



 Forwarded Message 
Subject: [Webmaster] Spam on python.org/users/Annabelle-2-2017-watch-online/
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 18:04:55 +0100
From: Ralf Hildebrandt via Webmaster 
Reply-To: Ralf Hildebrandt 
To: webmas...@python.org

The Google webmaster console was reporting

  python.org/users/Annabelle-2-2017-watch-online/

as containing "spammy user-generated content":

Pages from this site appear to contain spammy user-generated content.
The problematic content may appear on forum pages, guestbook pages, or
user profiles.

To me it looks odd, but not spammy. I think it should be removed anyway.

Ralf Hildebrandt
Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin
Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk

Campus Benjamin Franklin (CBF)
Haus I | 1. OG | Raum 105
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Tel. +49 30 450 570 155
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki edits for Python 2 sunset

[Mats Wichmann]

On 10/17/19 9:32 AM, Greg Hendershott wrote:

Hi. I am working for Changeset Consulting who is helping the PSF with
the Python 2 "sunset". One task is to audit and update the wiki.

Would it be possible to add the following accounts to EditorsGroup,
please?

 FrancesHocutt
 GregHendershott
 JennyRyan


added.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing the Python Web Hosting pages

[Mats Wichmann]

On 9/24/19 2:29 PM, stanimir wrote:
Thank you, and I will add the note as advised - however, I am still 
unable to edit the pages in question. I just replied to Steve Holden 
about the same, but forgot to hit the Reply All.


try it now - I just added your wiki name.
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[pydotorg-www] there's no age gate on downloading, right?

[Mats Wichmann]

someone from Microsoft is asking (by mailing webmaster) this because of 
a project he's putting together for kids, and wants to be sure what he 
writes up will actually work.  I've never heard of there being anything 
that would check, or any reason to check for that matter, but he seems 
eager to have an absolute definitive answer.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Hyper link to pytest is not valid in PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 12/18/19 5:52 AM, Madisetty, Harish via pydotorg-www wrote:

Hi Team,
I found the hyperlink to the pytest in Unit Testing Tools is not valid 
anymore(https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy#Unit_Testing_Tools)


Please update the hyperlink to http://pytest.org/en/latest/

Thanks,
Harish Madisetty


usually we'd ask you create an account and ask to become an editor to 
contribute fixes - keep that in mind if you find further issues.


in this case it seemed quicker to just fix it - done.  thanks for 
reporting the problem!



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Re: [pydotorg-www] Zyro is an organization using Python

[Mats Wichmann]

On 3/6/20 6:37 AM, Simonas Steponaitis wrote:
> Hey Mats,
> 
> Thanks for the insight, however, we are still interested to appear on
> that page.
> 
> My nickname is SimonasSteponaitis

This has been enabled for editing, have at it.

Usually for bigger pages we have some guidelines like "add yourself in
alphabetical order to the right section" to avoid some unfortunate wars
we've had in the past betweeen competing editors successively putting
their material at the top, but there's no apparent ordering within each
category now, so it would be hard to enforce that. So will just leave
the suggestion at:  "be nice!".   (grin).


> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 6:25 PM Mats Wichmann  <mailto:m...@wichmann.us>> wrote:
> 
> On 3/5/20 8:35 AM, Simonas Steponaitis via pydotorg-www wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Our company has recently launched a new AI-powered website builder
> Zyro
> > <https://zyro.com>. And, of course, it uses Python.
> >
> > I would like to know if it's possible to get featured on this page
> > - https://wiki.python.org/moin/OrganizationsUsingPython?
> 
> The wiki is publicly editable, so anyone (*) can add to it. We will not
> make value judgements of whether any particular project, tool or company
> is worthy of being listed.
> 
> * - "anyone" is slightly restricted because of the plague of Internet
> spambots, editing is limited to people on the editors list, for which we
> request a human actually pop up and explain why they're interested in
> editing, a requirement you've already met.
> 
> If you want to be an editor, write back to the list with your wiki name,
> which is what's necessary to enable it.
> 
> ==
> 
> As an editorial note (more to the team than to Simonas), I don't really
> see a whole lot of value in that page any longer.  You'd be hard pressed
> to find a company of any size that doesn't use Python for something
> today, and it's absolutely impossible to keep up with - the community
> basically isn't even trying any more. According to the page history, we
> had one edit in January this year, since then the previous edit was in
> 2013.  It's likely to not only be out of date, but quite inaccurate as,
> especially for websites, there's been a lot of evolution.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> *Simonas Steponaitis*
> *Marketing Assistant*
> M: +37061298800
> @: simonas.steponai...@hostinger.com
> <mailto:simonas.steponai...@hostinger.com>
> W: www.hostinger.com <http://www.hostinger.com>
> 

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing IntroductoryBooks page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 1/29/20 10:57 AM, daniël bosold wrote:
> Hey Mats,
> 
> my wikiname is RagnarVanDerWiel (it's a new account). I want to edit a
> couple of pages because, well, like you said, the introductory page is
> full of courses and old books. I'm happy to fix that - as well as make
> a courses/videos page and move relevant info there.

You should be good to go.

If you want to kick around ideas for improving this feel free to use
this list, maybe some of us will awake enough to comment :)

More seriously, it might be just as productive to just try something out
and see how it works.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing IntroductoryBooks page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 1/29/20 7:36 AM, daniël bosold wrote:
> I was just reading the wiki looking for some recommended introductory
> books on the IntroductoryBooks page and noticed that most of the
> entries there are Video courses. While, interesting, it's not what
> this page is about. Hoping to edit this page (and move the courses to
> a VideoCourses page - or some such) I found that it's locked down,
> likely due to inconsiderate users or spammers.

your guess is correct (the latter).

> I'd like to be able to fix this page as well as add a separate one for 
> courses.

Sigh. It looks like Packt has been at it again.  We need some kind of
solution to their overwhelming the pages, and maybe some solution to the
currency of materials (I notice the end of the list have some things
approaching 20 years old, not terribly likely to be that useful).

In any case, you need to tell us your wiki name before you can be added
to the editors list.  Since spambots aren't able to provide the
explanation you have just given, the bar is set right there: just tell
us why you want to edit and we'll turn it on for you.

Note: if you don't have a wiki account yet, there have been some issues
in recent times with account creation, the auth system there
occasionally times out.  The current recommendation there is just to
keep trying, hopefully that will be good enough.

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Issues with wiki authentication

[Mats Wichmann]

On 1/16/20 9:39 AM, Henry Harutyunyan wrote:

Hi there.


I'm having problems with logging in and signing up in the 
wiki.python.org. I've encountered the problem yesterday so I don't think 
that the issue is temporal and it probably needs your attention. I get 
timeout error.


I want to open an account so I can make some modifications in the 
Python2orPython3  article.


Looking forward to hearing from you.


It's a pesky and relatively long-standing problem, and nobody seems to 
be able to do much about it. Once somebody's access is failing, it seems 
to keep failing.  We think it has to do with load on the VM the wiki is 
running in (externally generated load - bots pounding on it trying to 
break in, not load from people actually editing the wiki) but I'm 
becoming less convinced that's enough to explain why it works for some 
people all the time and never works for some other people.


Anybody else here have any current best practices for getting in? Is 
there something one can clear, etc?



By the way, not sure what further edits that page needs, the original 
contents were moved out to an archive location and it's pretty much a 
stub that says this isn't really a question any more.


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Zyro is an organization using Python

[Mats Wichmann]

On 3/5/20 8:35 AM, Simonas Steponaitis via pydotorg-www wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Our company has recently launched a new AI-powered website builder Zyro
> . And, of course, it uses Python.
> 
> I would like to know if it's possible to get featured on this page
> - https://wiki.python.org/moin/OrganizationsUsingPython?

The wiki is publicly editable, so anyone (*) can add to it. We will not
make value judgements of whether any particular project, tool or company
is worthy of being listed.

* - "anyone" is slightly restricted because of the plague of Internet
spambots, editing is limited to people on the editors list, for which we
request a human actually pop up and explain why they're interested in
editing, a requirement you've already met.

If you want to be an editor, write back to the list with your wiki name,
which is what's necessary to enable it.

==

As an editorial note (more to the team than to Simonas), I don't really
see a whole lot of value in that page any longer.  You'd be hard pressed
to find a company of any size that doesn't use Python for something
today, and it's absolutely impossible to keep up with - the community
basically isn't even trying any more. According to the page history, we
had one edit in January this year, since then the previous edit was in
2013.  It's likely to not only be out of date, but quite inaccurate as,
especially for websites, there's been a lot of evolution.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Bug multiprocessing.Process Python 3.8.2 Shell

[Mats Wichmann]

On 4/11/20 4:37 AM, Gerhard Tröster wrote:

> the Python Shell 3.8.2 (both the 32 and 64 Bit version) does not execute
> the multiprocessing.Process  instruction, and outputs
> 
> = RESTART: 
> C:\Users\gerhartr\Desktop\Python\Concurrent\Multiprocessing\python1.py
> Done!
>

> Using the cmd python.exe command,  the correct output
Gerhard,

This isn't the right place for this question, you may want to hunt
around on the Internet for better places. StackOverflow might be a place
you could get more detailed answers.

It seems like you're referring to IDLE when you say "the Python Shell"
above. And indeed if I paste your code into IDLE, I see the behavior you
mention.  There's a reason for it that has to do with the design of
IDLE, it's not actually that it's not working, but that when using
multiprocessing (which forks) the output ends up not able to make it
back to the shell window any longer (the socket is not duplicated).

Just to clear up any doubt, IDLE is not Python, although it comes with
Python and is written in Python.  You might want to try a different
development environment if this behavior is problematic for you, though
it seems you already have a workaround: run the code directly from a shell.
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing of the PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy page

[Mats Wichmann]

On 4/16/20 4:00 PM, Plamen Dimitrov wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to edit the page on:
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonTestingToolsTaxonomy#GUI_Testing_Tools
> 
> regarding addition of some new GUI testing tools. After checking the front
> page I was redirected to to write an email to this address and ask to be
> included in the editors. Is this still possible?

It requires two things:

(1) a coherent email from a human indicating some knowledge of what
they're doing, to avoid bots and scammers.  DONE

(2) a wiki account name that can be added to the page of authorized
editors. We still need that...


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[pydotorg-www] reporting website issues

[Mats Wichmann]

Sorry, I've lost track over time.  Where should people report problems /
requests with Python website content (not wiki content)?  These come
periodically to webmaster, which is actually in some way logical, but
oddly (to outsiders) we don't actually do that.

The issue tracker for the pythondotorg project
(https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues) used to be recommended,
and while it still has some people who respond, they don't seem to know
either.  e.g. this enlightening response to a request from Dan Bader to
add a link to RealPython podcasts:

"Hmm I don't even know who owns/manage the content of python.org?"

Anybody here have a suggestion?  We have something in the webmaster
autoresponse message, I'd like to update it if there's a reliable place
for folks to go to.

regards,

-- mats

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit

[Mats Wichmann]

On 4/23/20 11:30 AM, Brian Schilling wrote:
> Python Team,
> 
> The https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers page
> includes the following MIT course from 2008:
> MIT's 6.00 Introduction to Computer Science and Programming
> 
>  (in
> Python). This is outdated but it looks like there is a more recent
> version you can sign up for via edX.
> 
> Here is a link to the 2016
> course, 
> https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-0001-introduction-to-computer-science-and-programming-in-python-fall-2016/lecture-videos/
> 
> I did not create a Wiki account as I do not currently plan to be a
> regular editor but will create one if that changes in the future. 

I've made this update, thanks.  Do consider signing up, we need all the
help we can get :)


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Re: [pydotorg-www] Help

[Mats Wichmann]

On 5/12/20 1:54 PM, Haleigh Japp wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I just installed Python 3.7.5 onto my PC and I keep getting an ‘encoding
> module not found’ error. I put the Python.exe location onto my path but
> the error keeps happening. I uninstalled Python then re-installed it,
> but the same error still happens every time. What should I do?

bugs.python.org has several mentioned of this, the one I looked at seems
to conclude it's a problem with an environment variable (PYTHONHOME).

Take a look here and see if anything from this helps, if not, search for
other issues with the same problem...

https://bugs.python.org/issue27054

Despite some of the comments, it should *not* be necessary to install
with elevated privilege ("as administrator"), the installer is designed
not to need that unless you want to install "system wide", which is
usually not necessary on a personal computer.

This list would not be the preferred location to follow up... maybe the
main Python list?

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Re: [pydotorg-www] Bogus wiki.python.org attachment on BeginnersGuide

[Mats Wichmann]

On 3/20/20 11:41 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

>> It looks like someone might be trying out a breakin?
> When hovering over "111" in the info page you get this information:
> 
> This suggests that someone without login (but the given IP address) is
> accessing the page. The IP address maps to Beijing, China.

this was the other page:

https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers/SimpleExamples?action=info
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Re: [pydotorg-www] Bogus wiki.python.org attachment on BeginnersGuide

[Mats Wichmann]

On 3/20/20 11:17 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> I no longer have access to my old wiki.python.org account but got a
> bounce message (via postmaster) today which related to an attachment
> added to the BeginnersGuide page:
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
> 
> The page history shows a deletion and addition of the attachment in
> quick succession. I don't know if the old one was bogus, but the new
> one certainly seems to be. It's a JPEG with a .pdf extension. Someone
> probably should check it out and perhaps restore the old attachment or
> remove it altogether.
> 
> Skip

something's going on - these edits are credited to "111" which is not an
editor in the editors list.

yesterday I got notification of another change made by "48" (actually
these numbers were part of IP addresses, why aren't they coming in under
a username) - that one left the page in a conflicted state.

It looks like someone might be trying out a breakin?


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