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browser I use, it is always difficult to find the "reply to author" button.
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Hi Joe,
I was curious to know, are you using a 10-speed drivetrain on your Jones
Plus? If so, are you also using a clutch derailleur? I'm wondering if some
of the problems I've had are a result of stubbornly hanging onto a 9-speed
drivetrain, as I know the Surly OD chainrings are designed for
Yep, I've also got the OD crank. I'm glad to hear you've gotten it to work, but
my LBS has not been able to tame it. Aside from that, I really do hate having
to use an FD on the trail and I get the sense that the simplified shifting will
push me to improve my climbing ability instead of giving
Forgot to mention, this is the cassette <http://www.gravelbike.com/?p=5358>
I'll be using, the new Sunrace 11-42 10-speed cassette. They sold out
seemingly everywhere in 2 weeks according to my LBS, out of stock until
late May.
On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 8:36:46 PM UTC-7, Mike Sh
I just decided to convert my Jones Plus to 1X10 after a year of frustration
trying to make a double chainring setup work (constant
chainsuck/chaindrop). On my 3" tire setup I will have a gear range of 22.8
- 87 gear inches, whereas my earlier setup (39/26 chainrings and 11-34
cassette) gave
You wouldn't believe how (actually) useful a Hope hub is for waking people out
of a smartphone zombie state. Super useful for riding through congested areas
on college campuses or for alerting hikers on trails.
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In my experience the most obvious sign is the noise the tire makes in contact
with the ground and it just sounds off. Also the immediate and troubling sign
is a lack of confidence when cornering, a feeling as if the bike could easily
lose traction and spill over when cornering tight
A quick Google search found this blog study that showed a 22% reduction in
rolling resistance (by wattage) at 25 PSI:
http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/specials/tubeless-latex-butyl-tubes
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I've had my Jones Plus for a year now and can +1 that it's everything Jeff
Jones says and more here. Unbelievably good design with both the Jones geometry
and long wheel base, it's a bike that has to be ridden for the hype to be
believed. As either a mountain bike for technical trails,
Patrick,
I recall seeing the 20% figure mentioned by Schwalbe, but I can't find the
original source for that anywhere on their webpage now. My anecdotal experience
of going from a tubed Schwalbe Super Moto to a tubeless Super Moto setup
suggests that this factor is reasonable. Also, nothing
You should consider just based on the fact that going tubeless reduces rolling
resistance by 20%. It makes a huge difference.
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That sounds like very low pressure for a tire of that volume. I run 60mm
Schwalbe Big Ones (64 mm actual) on 45mm rims and they run tubeless at 23 in
the front and 26 in the back. I find that any lower than 20 PSI and the tire
collapses in corners and handles weird. However, at this pressure
You can buy the color (Sam Hillborne Orange) from Waterford directly and it's
about $30 shipped.
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I've put on probably 400 miles on my Big Ones (all urban commuting) and they
seem stout enough to me, at least when run as tubeless. I had ridden Super
Motos before and while a quality, serviceable tire, the Big One is much more
supple and easy rolling, even with the Snakeskin sidewall. It does
That does seem like the ideal way to go. Could you post a picture of your
custom mount?
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I've had a new Velogical unit sitting in the box for months, mostly because the
mounting bracket they include is absolutely horrendous. It seems like a great
idea, but they could make the mounting much more user-friendly. Granted, it is
especially difficult since I'm working with a Jones Truss
Schwalbe Big One if we're talking pavement and gravel. It is like a big, plush
and seemingly tough enough Compass tire. Just like Jan Heine advises with the
Rat Trap pass, they are very sensitive to pressure and can collapse in corners
and handle weird if the pressure is too low. When it's
Just installed the 29er snakeskin version today, running them tubeless. Getting
them to seat tubeless was a little bit of an adventure, and my LBS had to open
up the airflow on the compressor all the way and massage them a bit to get them
seated. I only took a short ride around town, but they
I recently bought a set of 29er SnakeSkins from Bike24 and they finally cleared
customs after two weeks in holding. Worked out to $98 with shipping for the
pair, so about 40% off U.S prices. I will measure with calipers (though they'll
be mounted on a 45mm rim) and report on ride quality when I
I've never had serious back pain or back issues, but I have gone from more
traditional setups (drop bars level with the seat prior to Rivendell
enlightenment) to a "weird" and supremely comfortable setup (relaxed Jones
geometry with H-bar). I had always had issues with numbness/discomfort in
Also, what tire were you switching from that made it feel similar to changing
from "Paselas to Compass"? If it was a Super Moto I'll be very excited, as
that's what I'm going to be changing from and they do feel a bit doggy.
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You can get the Ice Spiker Pro's for about 1/2 the U.S MSRP from these HiBike,
a reputable German retailer I've bought from numerous times. Here's the link:
http://tinyurl.com/gmk9tod
The great thing about the ISP's is they work really well tubeless. I think this
is a big reason why they feel
Very nice! I'm waiting on a set of these to arrive from Germany. Did you go
for the SnakeSkin or LiteSkin sidewall? I chose SnakeSkin for best tubeless
compatibility (with not much more weight) but I was tempted by the more
supple LiteSkin option.
On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:46:23 AM
I can throw in a +1 for the Dell UltraSharp U2412M 24" monitor that The
Wirecutter recommends. I've got two of them (one at work and one at home) and I
love the IPS panel, very easy on the eyes when looking at lots of documents and
spreadsheets (as I do). I'm not sure if you're limiting the
I think a big reason why I like the Ice Spikers so much is because they work so
well run tubeless. The bead is tubeless-ready and even though they have
Liteskin construction they sealed up really well for me and I had minimal
sealant seepage. You can also get them for about 1/2 the MSRP from
My (48" wheelbase) Jones Plus is feeling super stable in the persistent icy
slush of Eastern WA. You Clem/Clementine people should jump on some Ice Spiker
Pros! I was amazed at how supple and lively this tire is for a knobby studded,
they feel livelier than the 622-40 Marathon Winters I ran on
303 Aerospace Protectant was recommended by the maker of the Handlebra tape and
I use it on my waterproof leather, quality product. I have wondered if it would
be worth it to apply this "sunscreen for your stuff" to tire sidewalls, but
haven't ever bothered with it. I wonder if it would be
unday morning with a forecasted low of -6F' Ramey
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 9:46:25 PM UTC-7, Mike Shaljian wrote:
>>
>> Check out this new offering from Schwalbe, the "Big One":
>> http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/schwalbe-big-one.html
>>
&
ad or light dirt I went with performance
>>>> tires, the 2.3" Super Motos.
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/joe.ramey.90/media_set?set=a.10208278459298399.1210921748=3
>>>>
>>>> Joe 'in snowy GJT where tis the season for 4" to 5" tires and
Check out this new offering from Schwalbe, the "Big One":
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/schwalbe-big-one.html
I've been running 60-622 Super Motos tubeless on my Jones and they are pretty
great for gravel and packet dirt. When I can track down some of these with the
Snakeskin Sidewall
If you're really interested in buying a fatbike, Surly is having a 50% off sale
on their Omniterra line (assuming your size is in stock). You could get a
Pugsley for $1000 or an Ice Cream Truck for $1200! See announcement here:
http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/get_em_while_theyre_fat
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Shoving in with a FS offer: I have a brand new Pletscher Twin-Legger (silver)
kickstand that I bought from Rivendell months ago for my mountain bike. It
turns out it's better to buy a top tube protector and lean those against
things. $35 shipped anywhere in the conterminous US. Message me off
Frame is sold.
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No takers yet, so I'm lowering the price to $700, plus shipping.
Pictures have been updated to show the paint blemishes, of which there are many
(the bike was ridden a lot!). The most prominent chips occur where the
derailleur was clamped on, on the left seat stay near the brake boss, and one
I listed my complete Sam Hillborne recently and it didn't sell as a whole bike,
and I've still got the frame/fork/headset for sale. It's a 2012 64cm
Waterford-made Sam Hillborne frame and it is in 8.5/10 cosmetic condition. Some
surface paint scratches but no rust or other damage. It has a Cane
The Mariposa is also my fabulous, go-to everyday bag. Have had mine for 3 years
and absolutely love it, a lifetime model of backpack for sure. Also, the Giant
Jensen is a terrific backpacking bag. It was my first backpacking bag and it's
so much more comfortable than the traditional bags I've
Or make me any reasonable offer. Thanks again!
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The sale of the frame has started, stopped, started again and I think finally
stopped a few times with a local buyer. I'm now looking to get $950 for just
the frameset or $1175 for the frameset + crankset/B.B (incl. crank tools). If
it doesn't sell in a few days, it will (unfortunately) be
Hi all,
I thought I had a local buyer for my Sam Hillborne and most of the parts aside
from the wheelset (since bought by a group member), but they backed out this
morning. Therefore, I am going forward with parting out my Sam Hillborne. You
can still see the bike and most of the parts I'm
I'm 6'3 with a 34 inch inseam and (more importantly) 96 cm PBH. Seatpost is
maxxed out for me, but the bike fits perfectly!
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It does make sense if you are running more than one wheelset. My Jones can't
use a dynohub so I didn't have a choice, but it's pretty sweet not having to
invest in two dynohubs to run mountain and slick tires. There's also a
not-insignificant weight savings to using a 70g bottle dynamo versus
They cost about $150 plus ≈ $15 shipping, depending on the exchange rate. I
bought one recently but have yet to set it up. If you email from the address
listed on the webpage they respond very quickly.
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Also, from what I've read, the German regulation exists because it is thought
that blinking lights mesmerize drunk drivers, causing what I guess would be
called target fixation.
The main benefit (in my mind) of a blinking light is that it saves some
battery, which is of course not an issue
Apparently this is necessary reading for the aforementioned shit-apples?
http://www.amazon.com/How-Shit-Woods-Edition-Environmentally/dp/1580083633
I've got/had plans to do this ride and always figured I'd do it outside of the
semi-organized dog-n-pony show anyhow, but this is just really sad
Whelp I'm 6'3 with a 97 cm PBH and I wish I had bought a 68 Quickbeam instead
of the 64 I did get. Youthful inexperience had caused large frame phobia. . .
but yeah 66 isn't that huge!
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I would just like to chime in and say that one perhaps under-appreciated
feature of a Jones is the truss fork. After never being to get rid of brake
stutter with the Paul V-brakes on my Sam, I was really stoked to have
exceptionally powerful brakes and absolutely no stutter. The truss fork
And there's the Bike Snob's retort:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/04/15/dont-make-bicyclists-more-visible-make-cars-stop-running-them-over/
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So who won the Outback? Is it a secret from the internet until 6 months have
elapsed? Not that racing this would be my thing, but I'm interested to know
what the rig strategies were with the top finishers this time around.
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Hi Patrick,
Patrick,
I think you might do well to talk with Jeff Jones about what you're looking to
do. I'm inferring from your post that you think the Jones would be
over-biking for the sort of riding you're looking to do, but I think it would
fill this niche quite nicely. If you were to run
The OP does insist on disc brakes, so no Rivendells for this purpose,
unfortunately.
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Patrick,
The thing about the ride of the Jones Plus on the road is that it really is
like a limousine. . . the extra long wheelbase smooths out everything. Even
though it has a very long wheelbase, the bike still feels very responsive with
the high (76 mm) rake on the fork, and I feel that it
Yeah, I think one of the big features of Jeff's geometry is that the 24 or 25
ETT models can fit basically anyone from 5'6 - 6'6, given different
seatpost/stem combinations. He also makes a point that the 24 Plus starts with
the same reach as a small (I think) ECR, and you just go from there
Thanks for your insight, Christian, and very well said. I apologize if I've
hijacked threads off-topic this time around and in the past with some Jones
gushing, but I am, in fact, still a Rivendell owner!
However, my Sam Hillborne no longer serves the kind of riding I prefer to do,
which
For this price you can get more bike than you'd ever know what to do with in
the Jones Plus. 2.1 max tire seems awfully limiting to me when 3 tires give
you the ability to do real mountain biking and fly down loose gravel descents
with confidence. Pretty MUSA bike though!
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I consulted a friend of mine who is 5'6.5 and she is very happy with the Jones
Plus. To my surprise, she even maxxed out the 250mm seatpost I recommended (and
she's running a 70mm, 0º rise stem, as per Jeff's recc.). She hasn't ridden it
with 29+ tires yet, but on Super Motos she is more than
Phillip,
What 60mm slicks are you using? Schwalbe Super Motos, I'm guessing? I'm
currently messing with those, but always on the lookout for something better
(and more tubeless-compatible).
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I had used panniers and a small saddlebag exclusively on my Sam, and recently
thought of switching to bikepacking-style bags on my Jones Plus. I thought I
could be a stealth ninja with all-black Revelate/Porcelain Rocket bags for my
bikepacking rig, but they just seem too confining and hard to
It would seem like the Schwalbe 'Rock Razor' might be a good model to try for
dirt touring
(http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/off-road_tires/Rock_Razor). . .
I've been searching for the perfect medium-duty touring tire as well. I have
helped a friend setup some Super Motos as tubeless on
Perhaps Hanlon's Razor applies to this sticky situation:
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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Looks like Schwalbe is now offering the Thunder Burt in 29 X 2.25 ! Very
exciting for those looking for even more volume! http://bit.ly/1H1SrjZ
I already have a super duper 3 knobby (Bontrager Chupacabra) so I'll be
passing on these, but I'm looking forward to trying to run Super Motos tubeless
You should check out Jeff Jones' truss forks! They are freaking beautiful and
smart. After beginning to dip my feet into technical trail riding lately, I'm
really impressed with mechanical disks, despite very much being in the
Retro-Grouch camp. If you're riding a loaded bike on rough roads or
I have Avid BB7's on my Jones Plus, which cost me $105 total for a whole kit,
with levers. The Paul Motolites on my Rivendell (only reliable V-brake for a
bike that nice) cost me $195 without levers. The BB7's seem at least as
reliable/robust as any rim brakes I've used, and I think I could do
Good piece by the Bike Snob on today's post: http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/
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Look, Schwalbe is offering the Thunder Burt as a 29 X 2.25 model now! Even
more volume for super-cush All-Road and trails riding!
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/offroad-reader/thunder-burt.html
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Oh, right, Firth Wilson of Philadelphia, PA as mentioned above, must be the
same guy who helped me out.
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Wish I was! I haven't had a chance to get in any shorter practice bikepacking
tours, so I'm not going to take on the Xtreme logistical challenge that the
Outback seems to be. The whole not ending up where you started deal definitely
puts a bit of a damper on this route for me, though I'm sure
The eccentric answer: tell them to buy a Jones diamond frame and run super
motos tubeless on WTB Scraper rims. That bike will be fast as f*k. People
don't understand the black magic of Jeff Jones until they ride one of his
bikes. They're astonishingly fast and capable, even for (reformed)
Just buy Sabots or Heiruspecs. Also, +1 on what Patrick said about
strengthening your feet. I would highly recommend walking and riding in
minimalist shoes, as I've mentioned on the other thread. Build strength in your
feet and avoid repetitive stress injuries with a free and stable platform,
I think you need to be more skeptical of the notion that the Marathons are, in
fact, significantly more flat-resistant than the Barlows. The higher volume and
lower pressure characteristics of the Barlow make it, in my estimation, a very
flat resistant tire. I have put probably 3500 miles on
I would really give the 45nrth Heiruspecs a good look. They are plenty wide and
the pin traction makes for an even distribution of weight and good grip. If
you're feeling pedals through the shoe, it's probably not the shoe that's the
problem.
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My foot position changes from mid-foot (climbing) to ball (spinning) and I
haven't had the slightest foot issue in 20,000 miles of riding the past 4
years. I don't understand what you mean by inefficient, but I change my foot
position to the orientation that feels best for what I'm doing and
Very off topic, but it seems my browser is the problem, not Google Groups. In
Chrome all I can see is one post button which replies to everyone, while in
Safari there is the familiar option to respond privately.I swear I'm not a
complete tech idiot, it's just a very strange choice to me to take
The 45NRTH 'Heiruspecs' pedals I mentioned in the shoe thread are really
fantastic, and they're 100mm X 100mm. I rode Sabots for about a year before
getting these for a new bike, and they are a marked improvement, in my
estimation. I also began to have an issue with bearing clicking in my
Here is a good place to get the Heiruspecs from. You can get a 10% off coupon
as a new customer with Ben's Cycle, and they are reliable. The Heiruspecs are
as wide as the V.O Sabot but seem to have a better build quality and smoother
bearings.
Speaking of sandals, has anybody tried Luna sandals? I have wished for a
minimalist sandal for a while and didn't know these guys existed until
searching the Minimalist Runner group. I like the build quality of Chacos but
the ridiculous over-engineering and clunky thickness of them has made me
Hi Ron,
Not really sure what the terse, corrective tone is about, maybe something is
just being lost (as it often is) communicating through writing on the internet.
I'm not advocating for a single, correct way to ride a bike, just offering the
approach that has worked for me.
Also wish I
Ahh, I see, so it's not possible to respond directly to another's email these
days? Seems like a very limiting option, especially for the need to communicate
privately about for sale items so the board doesn't get cluttered with
irrelevant messages. Perhaps I've just added to said pile with
At the risk of sounding very Retrogrouch, I'll say I really don't understand
the perceived need for stiff cycling shoes, given the fairly low intensity of
pedaling a bicycle. I have worn minimalist shoes for a few years now because
they're extremely light and breathable and very comfortable to
http://blog.jonesbikes.com/650b-27-5-wheels-in-a-jones-29-spaceframe/
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His bikes definitely do work as 27.5+ bikes! Go with some WTB Scrapers and the
new Bontrager 27.5+ tire and you'll be set!
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Nah man, an Atlantic with 2.25 tires is not fat enough! You need to try the
tubeless joy of 29+! It's fat but fast, for serious.
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The vague to completely non-descriptive post titles are really baffling.
There's too much to read in the world without having to sort through much
verbal chaff to figure out if I am interested in a posting. A thread title
should be like an email subject: it should give the reader an explicit
My perfect number of bikes is a JoNes Plus ;)
I initially set up the bike with (tubed) Super Motos to see how it faired as a
more road-orientated bike, and I was blown away by how fast, comfortable and
stable it was, once I got the cockpit setup properly. I've since been riding it
with 3
Here's the one good shot I have of the Jones Plus in action (smartphone
currently broken). The new Google Groups layout makes me want to scream doing
anything more than posting, so I have no idea how to add a picture in-line.
Here it is on imgur though: http://imgur.com/grpsWwg
Riding bliss
I'll also add that it's interesting to me how the fat tire deal really grows on
you (or me) rather quickly and it wasn't long before even the 3-inchers felt
pretty much normal. I remember looking at a Krampus with 3 knards in the
Universal Cycles showroom in Portland and thinking my god, what
Not applicable to the Rivendell parts world, but I'm running 60mm Super Motos
on a WTB Scraper (29+) rim with 45mm internal width. The tire mounts
beautifully on this ultra-wide rim, so don't be shy about getting a rim with
≈35mm width. My tires measured at 63mm with calipers, and the wider
Is 700 X 38 really mid-fat? Man, y'all need to get on a bike with 60mm Super
Motos and see what the REAL plush and fast experience is about.
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A friend of mine just placed a $1000 order from www.hibike.com and there was no
tariff/customs charge. The only additional charge is 20 euro for the shipping.
Hibike has fantastic customer service and great selection.
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I don't feel slow on it. I'm not quite ready to go full heavy upright long
chainstay crazy big tired out yet.
I plan to post a detailed comparison of my new Jones Plus with the Sam
Hillborne I've had since 2012, but I can say briefly that a bike can be
long/stout and fast. I have much respect
Here's a sneak peek of the Jones, w/ one 60mm Super Moto on a 45mm rim (yay,
chubby bikes!): http://imgur.com/Iih7riE
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As someone who rode Mara Supreme 33's for years and switched to Barlow Passes
on my Hillborne, I would emphatically recommend you get Barlow Passes, and get
the extra-lights. I was amazed at how my bike suddenly came alive when I
switched to these, after years of suffering from paranoia that
I suppose by fast I mean efficient; efficient in the sense of not being
ground down and weary from riding harsh washboard for miles with tires that
aren't really up to the task. I imagine riding rough roads will be far more
enjoyable with huge tires run at low pressures, meaning I hope the bike
I will definitely post pictures and initial impressions compared to my Riv.
- Mike
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As someone who's ridden a Sam for the past 3+ years and who's recently felt the
uncontrollable urge to upgrade to a fatter-tired bike, I would say wait for the
Clem. I have slowly crept up in tire size over the years, going from 28mm
gatorskins back in the mid-2000's, to 33mm Supremes on my
Oofda, hasn't Jan Heine's work in the Bicycle Quarterly tests shown us that
higher pressure doesn't equate to a faster ride? I personally don't see the
point of going for puncture protection on an ultra-wide tire unless you are a
bicycle organ courier in a glass-strewn war zone (or something
I would highly recommend the DT Swiss TK-540 rim. It's a 24mm wide trekking rim
and it has served me well over at least 10,000 miles of riding (now on 2nd set
on my Hillborne). I made the mistake of switching to Velocity rims for my first
replacement and both of them failed in relatively few
I think it depends on your bike. Strangely, on my 700C (64cm) Sam Hillborne the
brake pads are at the very lowest position in the huge adjustment range on the
Motolites. I would love to have gone 650B on my recent wheel re-builds to get a
650X42mm tire, but the strange canti stud placement on
700c wheels with it, but to go from a 700c to a 650b
(as I did w/ my Rambouillet), you have to use long-reach calipers, not
canti's ??
On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 1:37:51 PM UTC-5, Mike Shaljian wrote:
I think it depends on your bike. Strangely, on my 700C (64cm) Sam
Hillborne
I would recommend the Velo Orange 'Grand Cru' thumbie mounts. They're
really solid and easy to adjust (hinged), they also match the finish of the
silver shifters very well. I'm going to put a set on my Jones Plus. Have
had that on my Sam H. for the entire 2 years, great setup for an
Have you considered getting Paul Motolites? I hated cantis and then switched to
V-brakes, but struggled to find a reliable, high-performance V-brake. The
Motolite is just that: powerful, reliable and of course pretty. I added a brake
booster to the front and they are dynamite now.
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