[RBW] Re: Dyno light recommendation

Because, like the bicycle and rider, they are self-sufficient and sustainable On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 7:52:51 PM UTC-5, Doug Williams wrote: > > So…why do we still ride dynohubs? > > > Doug > > >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

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I ride dyno hubs so I never have to think/worry/bother with lighting. I never have to charge anything. I never have to carry something extra. I can go on a five-minute run to the store, or a 30-hour brevet through the dark countryside. Haven't worried about lights for going on 4 or 5 years

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On 01/30/2016 01:16 PM, Doug Williams wrote: Yes, Zendure is made in China but they were designed in the USA as a Kickstarter. They have proven to be quite reliable, definitely more than a few steps ahead of the pack. The Shutter Precision dynamos that everyone is raving about are made in

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Uh … yeah, it will. There’s the SineWave charger, available as an aftermarket item, and the B Luxos light, which has as an option a USB charging port built into its remote switch. Some dynos may struggle to run the lights *and* the USB charger at the same time, but the workaround there is to

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So back to the original question, I used an Edulux I for years and thought it was perfect. A few years ago I tried the Edulux II and its much wider beam was my new standard of perfect. Lately I mated a Luxos U to an SP hub that allows me to charge my phone during the day and has a handlebar

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Doug, I commute, and the "it's there, no worries" aspect of dynohubs cannot be overstated. I also go on multi-day tours, self-supported, and in that case in addition to providing light at night the dynohub charges a battery pack during the day so that phone, GPS, camera, tablet, Kindle (all

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I can't help but wonder what corners have been cut and/or sacrifices made to be able to sell a 10Ah battery for $37. For example, I'm pretty sure these are from China and I would be curious about the environmental and societal impact of benefitting from paying only $37 for such a battery.

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Yes, Zendure is made in China but they were designed in the USA as a Kickstarter. They have proven to be quite reliable, definitely more than a few steps ahead of the pack. The Shutter Precision dynamos that everyone is raving about are made in Taiwan. Zendures can be run over by a car with no

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Regarding the Edeluxe II: has anyone used it off road? I have very poor night vision, and I've used the E I on our local dirt roads supplemented by a good battery light; not so much for width of beam as for brightness. I wonder how the E II compares to the brighter Supernovas, *for off road use?*

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It's also cool to just leave the light on all the time so you just get on the bike and go and its always on. Some people just leave it on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

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On 01/30/2016 09:21 AM, Lungimsam wrote: It's also cool to just leave the light on all the time so you just get on the bike and go and its always on. Some people just leave it on. Cooler still just to have the option, so you can make the choice by feeling and assessment of visibility and

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I agree there, and I would want that "no worries" aspect for my lights, just leaving them on day and night. But the other problem with dyno's is limited output. If you are only going to run a LED light or two, no problem. But if you want to also charge your phone/GPS and your GoPro...a dyno

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Hmmm...Since Zendure battery packs and some others have a "charge through capability" (they will power stuff while being charged themselves)...maybe what I need is a Zendure hooked up to a dynohub. The Zendure would power all the lights, phone, toys, etc. and the dyno would recharge the

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On 01/30/2016 09:55 AM, Doug Williams wrote: I agree there, and I would want that "no worries" aspect for my lights, just leaving them on day and night. But the other problem with dyno's is limited output. If you are only going to run a LED light or two, no problem. But if you want to also

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On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 8:45:10 AM UTC-8, Mojo wrote: > > Lately I mated a Luxos U to an SP hub that allows me to charge my phone > during the day and has a handlebar switch, and an amazingly wide and > consistent beam. The Edulux now seem adequate but less than ideal. I > appreciate

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Brian, I'm certainly with you on the "blinding issue". But there are smartly designed battery lights as well. I have the Ixon Core battery powered lights made by Busch & Müller and there are a few others. It seems that the Germans have cornered the market on intelligently designed beam

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I agree with Steve that the Edeluxe II is probably the ne plus ultra of road riding dyno lights (I am going to try an uber Supernova for dirt riding, if my LBS can find it in stock). Even my Edeluxe I (beam said to be narrower and less bright) is * almost* good enough for my bad night vision off

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: Dyno light recommendation I agree with Steve that the Edeluxe II is probably the ne plus ultra of road riding dyno lights (I am going to try an uber Supernova for dirt riding, if my LBS can find it in stock). Even my Edeluxe I (beam said to be narrower and less bright) is almost good enough

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The new Eycs are 1/3 the price of the Cyos and have a beam almost as good. I've had great luck with my first SP hub. No discernible drag and no discernible vibration, unlike my two Shimano dynohubs. I liked the SP so much I've ordered a second one to build up into a new wheel for another bike.

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Doug asked: "So…why do we still ride dynohubs?" You know all the reasons, I suspect. You just don't find those reasons compelling, which is fine. It's great that you have a good lighting solution that makes you feel confident riding at night. I doubt your intent is to tell those of us who

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Warning: Heresy and Impiety follow! I know that we are all retro-grouches here and my AHH shifts 8-speed friction on Silver’s. Friction shifting will never die so long as I live. But I honestly think that technology has left dynohubs in the dustbin of history. I run two Ixon Core battery

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Hi Doug, Re: why some still use dynamo hubs Gone are the days when dynamo hubs were " ​ 575 to 720 grams and cost from $257 to $426." Shutter Precision's hubs are sub-400g and around $120. Don't forget to subtract the weight of a front hub, too. The weight penalty for a dyno is a measly 250g or

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I don't know the weight penalty. I do know the price penalty, and it is a small price, for me, to never charge lights. Never have a battery run out. Have lights on all ride every ride. What percentage of my rides are at night? Every evening commute needs lights for months at a time. So I like

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On 01/29/2016 07:52 PM, Doug Williams wrote: Warning: Heresy and Impiety follow! I know that we are all retro-grouches here and my AHH shifts 8-speed friction on Silver’s. Friction shifting will never die so long as I live. But I honestly think that technology has left dynohubs in the

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I was a late defender of battery lights, but after trying SONs and modern LEDs, it was no contest: as used as I was to regular charging (using up to date equipment) it was so much simpler to have a dyamo system. And hubs still seem to be the best mix of price, low drag, power, and aesthetics.

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I'm on the fence with this one. My boys ride Shimano dynos with EYC fronts and TopLine Light rears. It's an excellent setup. They run them all the time, obviously for night commuting, but also as day lights. I think running day lights is a vastly underappreciated value-add. My wife and I run

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Bill and Joe, Yes, of course. I didn’t mean to demean dynohubs and certainly not the people who use them. My point is that just a few years ago dynohubs were the clear winner for anyone doing longer rides. But batteries are really getting stronger, cheaper, and lighter. Like 10,000mAh with

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Personally, I cannot imagine life without a dyno hub. It's always on, and always works. I value this particularly in the depths of winter when I'm commuting in the dark more often than not. Plus, it's cold out - I don't want to fiddle with plugging in this and that .. I just get on and go.

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The SP is an amazing buy. All the performance and 90% of the aesthetics of a SON hub at half the price. And better connectors to boot. –Eric N > On Jan 29, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > > I was a late defender of battery lights, but after trying SONs and

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Dynohubs are way less hassle IMO. They're always there when you need them. I don't even have to think about my lights and that's the way I like it. I've ridden both hubs and battery lights extensively on long brevets. I'll stick with the hub. On Jan 29, 2016 18:52, "Doug Williams"

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But. They will .. eventually .. fail. Right? KJ On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 12:19:03 AM UTC-5, Doug Williams wrote: > > But batteries are really getting stronger, cheaper, and lighter. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

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Actually, the storage capacity of batteries isn’t getting better—it has pretty much leveled off. This is a major topic of conversation in the high tech industry, particularly with regard to cell phones—this is why there is such a debate over the merits of thinner, lighter phones vs slightly

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my SON28 buzz kicks in at 17mph. I *think* my SONDelux buzzes around 24mph. I wouldn't describe it as rough pavement. More as a RRRrrr feeling. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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I only very occasionally note an extremely faint vibration on the SON Deluxe. This was not the case with the classic SON 28 can style, or the Shimano dynohubs. They vibrate a lot. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote: my SON28 buzz kicks in at 17mph. I

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My Shimano DynoHub (which is for sale along with its wheel) vibrates noticeably at rather high speeds (30 MPH+) when the headlight is engaged (tried it on a downhill once). Aside from that, it doesn't. On Friday, October 10, 2014 10:32:18 AM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote: I only very occasionally

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Dear Patrick, My experience has been that vibration tends to vary considerably with the hub generator, even with the same owner, light, and bike. I owned one first-generation SON 28, and it only had the subtlest vibes at around 15mph when running a Lumotec front light. I got it in 1999, and

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Just saw this immediately after my second post demanding clarification. This supplies the clarification; thanks. Interesting: my own suspicion had been that vibration and drag depended on factors other than the type of hub and your wider experience bears this out. Back to hubs: I notice that the

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Same here. I've also noticed variations in vibration from the same wheel on the same bike, with both SON and Shimano hubs. --Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Oct 8, 2014, at 6:54 PM, William deRosset wmderos...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Patrick,

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Can you all describe this vibration, and what is considered acceptable for a hub? I am hopefully getting a new hub set up soon and I don't want to think its defective if sometimes buzz happens. I am thinking deluxe or deluxe wide body at this point. -- You received this message because you

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It's kind of like riding on rough pavement. A subtle vibration that you can feel through the handlebars. I've found that having the lights on and then starting to ride makes the vibration harder to discern than is the case if you turn the lights on while you're in motion. --Eric N

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I've got approx 2km on my '05 Schmidt hub, the old-fashioned cylinder-shaped one. Originally purchased from Peter White and run as 700C from '05 to '11 and then I rebuilt it as a 650B and continue to use it. It's also survived a wreck with no damage at all, in 2007--in fact, about the

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On 10/07/2014 11:40 AM, NickBull wrote: I've got approx 2km on my '05 Schmidt hub, the old-fashioned cylinder-shaped one. Originally purchased from Peter White and run as 700C from '05 to '11 and then I rebuilt it as a 650B and continue to use it. It's also survived a wreck with no

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I had this little set up for about three years on commuter Atlantis: http://www.amazon.com/Light-Motion-Stella-600-Dual/dp/B005NGQ0GO/ref=sr_1_9?s=sporting-goodsie=UTF8qid=1412714331sr=1-9keywords=light+and+motion+stella One is a flood the other a spot. Two Phil mounts on either side of

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Just a general note: Vibration seems to vary considerably with owner and light and bike. My own experience has the SP vibrating much more (light on) than either SON 20R or DN 3H72 (3 of those). In fact, I think my SON vibrates more than any of the Shimanos did, on. No vibration from any when off,

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The SON Deluxe weighs 390 grams. Significant weight savings? A Shimano 105 HB-5700 front hub, for example, weighs 210 grams. A pound is 453 grams. I'm not sure I could agree that 180 grams qualifies as a significant weight savings. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Jack K

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I know randos who have 40,000+ miles on SON hubs...rode 1000K with one of them last weekend. The stuff on those webpages is legal boilerplate to some degree. I wouldn't take it as gospel. On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:56 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

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it's interesting that SP state that mileage, Schmidt suggests higher for their hubs (50,000KM) http://www.nabendynamo.de/produkte/dynamos_en.html but i don't read that as a guarantee, more of a guideline. On Sunday, October 5, 2014 11:03:34 PM UTC-4, Lynne Fitz wrote: I've got 16000 MILES

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I've got 16000 MILES on my SON Delux. 13000 miles on a SON 28 (different bike, and has survived a wreck. Had the wheel rebuilt). Both still going strong. I know someone with over 4 miles on his SON 28. Ditto. They may cost more, but... -- You received this message because you are

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I've got probably 4500km on my SP PV-8 and it has performed great so far. That said, I really don't want to tear down my wheel at 20,000kms:( To state the obvious, no matter how bright and economical a rechargeable battery light is, they all have the same downside: you have to remember to

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Wayne, I'd like to add a third reason: 3. They are not user serviceable. Here's what I found on the Shutter Precision FAQ: *How often do SP hub dynamos require service?* SP hub dynamos employ sealed bearings that do not require service until the bearings are require replacement. We already

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Hey Andrew, I've been waiting for more info, especially user feedback, to appear for the Velogical dynamos. For a rider, like me, who uses lights only very infrequently having zero drag during the 95% of the time no lights are required seems a great tradeoff for (possibly) slightly increased

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+1 on the Shutter Precision SPV-8. running it with an eyc on my city/long distance road bike and I basically leave the light on all the time. Boson Au-Perkins 2608 North Calvert Street Baltimore, MD 21218 On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Not my

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I like it. It's not a hub dyno, but it may just have seduced me away from hub dynos. See my blog for a review, especially http://lawschoolissoover.wordpress.com/2014/08/26/something-old-is-new-again-the-velogical-rim-dynamo/ I also comment on it in the comparative section. Don't forget

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I'd like to anti-recommend the dynohub approach. I considered it when building my Sam, but rejected it for a couple of reasons: 1. They're expensive! 2. You pay the wattage tax whether you're using the thing or not. The Interwebs say that the drag costs anywhere from 2 to 15 watts of additional

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In the T setting, only the daytime light (tagelicht, in German) comes on, even in the dark. In the S (sensor) setting, the full light comes on when it gets dark and the daytime light is otherwise on all the time. O, as you note, is off. The Edeluxe has a sensor setting, which I never used.

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With the new SON deluxe hubs, the drag is imperceptible, even with the light on. This was not the case with the earlier SON hubs or any generation of Shimano hubs. On Sep 25, 2014 10:09 AM, Wayne Mesard wmes...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to anti-recommend the dynohub approach. I considered it

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Actually the drag on the Ultegra level Shimano dynohubs (DH 3N72 and higher) is so negligible that perception of it depends more on mood than anything objective. A front wheel, lifted and spun, doesn't rotate quite as long as with the SON Deluxe, but when riding you don't feel it. Ditto for the

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Whoops, I see my error. Don't know what a Soubitez or Union or Sanyo bottle requires in watts if properly set up, since mechanical friction accompanies magnet drag. But no modern hub dynanmo requires 15 w. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: In fact, I

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I have three bikes with dynamo hubs: SONdelux / 650B Shimano 3n72 / 650B Shimano 3n72 / 700C I can't tell if I have my lights on on the bike with the SONdelux. I can DEFINITELY feel the drag with my lights on on both bikes with the Shimano. Worse than the drag, I can feel the Shimano dynohub

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Not my experience after 3 of the Shimanos, either with drag or vibration. I get more vibration with my SON 20 R and my SP. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote: I have three bikes with dynamo hubs: SONdelux / 650B Shimano 3n72 / 650B Shimano 3n72 / 700C I

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For me, there is indeed a difference between dynamo and no dynamo. One of the reasons I've switched (for now) to the Velogical rim dynamo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

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I have been using the Eyc non senso version and love it. It's brighter than most car lights. I have been using a tire driven dyno with that and the Toplight line brake plus, and switching it between two bikes on a seasonal basis. I like it enough to have ordered a dyno hub and Eyc senso for

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I have an Edelux 2 (RBW sells this one too) and a battery powered Ixon IQ. I think PW says the beam from the newer Eyc is similar to that of the Ixon IQ but with the dim spot right in front of the wheel filled in. When I got my Ixon IQ I liked it much better than any light I had used before it,

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Like Riv is for bike advice, PW is for lights. Call him up, tell him your intended use, and he will tell you the best option(s). I have not heard of him steering anyone down the wrong path (he knows how to illuminate it haha). A conversation is worth a thousand group postings, in this case.

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I don't have a dyno setup yet. But I've researched it a good deal, on Peter White's site and elsewhere. If I were to take the plunge today, I'd save some money and buy the Shutter Precision dyno hub. They're about half the price of the SON hubs, look as good, and are very well-rated. Then I'd

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There are alternatives to rim dynamos as well. I recently did a user (i.e., non-technical) review of a number of different types of generators on my blog. It's fairly long, but if you want to start from the beginning, you can go here:

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+1 on the BM lights already mentioned. I run the Luxos U on my camping/commuting bike for the USB charging and the tiny but super bright Eyc on my go fast gravel race bike. Both lights perform fabulously. Cheers Jayme On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:09:21 PM UTC-5, DS wrote: Getting my

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Peter White carries the Lumotec IQ Premium Cyo which is $35 more expensive than the Eyc but about $80 less than the Edluxe II. I have one of these IQ Premium Cyo Senso lights that I bought used off of this list and I love, love, love it. It's 80lux and has the same optics as the Luxos and Edluxe

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Plus one for the new cyo. Excellent price, brightness, and beam optics. Love mine. Hudson in atx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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I've used the Edeluxe and the Cyo--all of my dyno-powered bikes now have various flavors of the Cyo. I haven't used the Edeluxe II, but I found the beam pattern on the Cyo lights to be better than the original Edeluxe ... at a lower cost. I'm currently using one of the newer Cyo lights on my

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The Edelux lights use optics from BM with the II version having optics like the new Cyo lights and the original (not II) being like the previous version of the Cyo (ie IQ not IQ2). Since the reflectors and LEDs are the same, the beams are too. Choosing between the two brands is about price and

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Eric, That's the version I have too. For the life of me I can't figure out the difference between the S and T settings on the dial. Of course O is for Off but anyway. Minor quibble :) This light is great and I used it again tonight on a very pleasant 42 mile ride, mostly after dark. I have