[RBW] Re: advice on crank / bb selection
My theoryif it feels comfortable to you its probably right for you. Only you can tell what works. I have a similar predicament and will probably use some kneesavers to get a wider Q and keep the bottom bracket width that gives me the best chainline for my terrain. I think the Riv site gives some recommendations for bottom bracket width usually its either 110 to 113mm. I use a 107 on my non Riv frame that is similar to an Atlantis. On Sep 26, 9:45 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks folks, for all the suggestions and observations. I guess one of the specific questions I have is how short for cranks and how wide for bb.. And also.. I couldn't find any notes on the width of the bb that came with my Sam.. so not sure if the Sugino XD2 with it's 165 is narrower or not than the Gary Fisher (which I no longer have) with it's 166 tread. So.. when starting to build my new (to me) Romulus.. what size bb might folks suggest to get a nice wide Q? Also, someone replied in the thread that a TA Cyclotouriste would be a good idea.. but those have narrow tread, right? And someone else seemed to suggest narrow-verus-wide to help ITB problems.. guess I'm a little confused. Best, Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Thoughts on Saddle Height?
2 centimeters, 4/5 of an inch? That's quite a bit. Did anyone ever offer observation to you that your hips were rocking when you pedaled? The other rule of foot-length is that heels just touching the pedals when the leg is fully extended implies the right bend at the knee when the distance from heel to place-of-foot over pedal is added. That said, common advice is that for many riders, moving cleats a bit behind the ball of the foot instead of under them is a better, if not most powerful position. That would imply a lower saddle, but just several mm. lower. On Sep 27, 10:28 am, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to double check, you could measure your pubic bone height (PBH) using the method on the rivendell site and then apply their formula for seat height, which is PBH minus 10-10.5cm. I did this recently and ended up lowering my saddles about 2 cm. So far, my hamstrings are thanking me. It also has the added advantage of raising my bars by 2cm relative to my seat, making everything just slightly more comfy cockpit-wise. On Sep 26, 6:29 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I rode my club's century today and as I was toiling up a hill, a young triathlete sort on a plastic thing (the tubes were not even round!) came by me and he said Sir, you might want to raise your seat a bit so you'll get more leverage. Unsolicited advice is so cool. My immediate thought was to tell him that I had been riding bikes since before he was born, but I've been trying to keep my mouth out of gear so I didn't say anything. But then I started thinking that back in the day, the rule of thumb, at least as it was passed down to me, was that when the pedal is in the 6 o'clock position, the knee should be very slightly bent. I've been doing that with every bike I've set up for lo these many years. Was that wrong? Has there been any progress in thinking on this subject? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] my Rambouillet- some new pics
very nice. From: BykMor byk...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 11:04:55 PM Subject: [RBW] my Rambouillet- some new pics My green Rambouillet is finally (almost) complete and it was a nice day out so I took a few pictures. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: advice on crank / bb selection
The Cyclotourist has a very narrow tread, so these would probably not be for you. I get 160 mm for the Q on my XD2 with its stock Sam Hill bb; not that 5 mm is a huge difference, and doubtless is more than made up by shoes, cleat position and pedal choice; but I wonder if you measured more carefully than I. (At any rate, this setup is at the outer limits of what I can tolerate, Q-wize.) On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:45 PM, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks folks, for all the suggestions and observations. I guess one of the specific questions I have is how short for cranks and how wide for bb.. And also.. I couldn't find any notes on the width of the bb that came with my Sam.. so not sure if the Sugino XD2 with it's 165 is narrower or not than the Gary Fisher (which I no longer have) with it's 166 tread. So.. when starting to build my new (to me) Romulus.. what size bb might folks suggest to get a nice wide Q? Also, someone replied in the thread that a TA Cyclotouriste would be a good idea.. but those have narrow tread, right? And someone else seemed to suggest narrow-verus-wide to help ITB problems.. guess I'm a little confused. Best, Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Thoughts on Saddle Height?
I start with my PBH measurement, then multiply by 1.09. I set the saddle to this height measuring along the seat tube from the axis of the pedal to the top of the saddle with the lower crank arm in line with the seat tube. I do this with the saddle level and centered on the saddle clamp. Then I ride-test it. Usually the bars are already in the correct position for me, which is about 2 cm below the saddle. If not, I change them. After this I have some rules for troubleshooting. I don't know if I should go into detail. The best shop fitting I had was when the coach used a goniometer to measure and set my knee angle at pedal bottom - between 25 and 30 degrees is the usual convention. This fitter used KOPS to set the saddle fore/aft position. The most critical thing is to get as much leg extension as you can without causing your hips to rock painfully. Will the simple knee extension rule do it for you? Only you can find out, but if another good rider says, you look a little low, it's reasonable to see if going up, maybe 1/8 inch at a time, does you any good without adding negatives - there are a lot of ways to look at it these days. Sometimes it takes a few hours or days to tell if a change brings negative effects with it. Try to mark or record your old position to be able to go back to the old position if it doesn't work. There is such a thing as going too far too fast with a change, having some pain, and needing to go back to where you were. Sometimes you need to do this while out on a ride. Think of that classic professional rider (forgot who) who carried wrenches to set his saddle in the middle of TdF stages! On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:16 AM, travis.ha...@gmail.com travis.ha...@gmail.com wrote: 2 centimeters, 4/5 of an inch? That's quite a bit. Did anyone ever offer observation to you that your hips were rocking when you pedaled? The other rule of foot-length is that heels just touching the pedals when the leg is fully extended implies the right bend at the knee when the distance from heel to place-of-foot over pedal is added. That said, common advice is that for many riders, moving cleats a bit behind the ball of the foot instead of under them is a better, if not most powerful position. That would imply a lower saddle, but just several mm. lower. On Sep 27, 10:28 am, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to double check, you could measure your pubic bone height (PBH) using the method on the rivendell site and then apply their formula for seat height, which is PBH minus 10-10.5cm. I did this recently and ended up lowering my saddles about 2 cm. So far, my hamstrings are thanking me. It also has the added advantage of raising my bars by 2cm relative to my seat, making everything just slightly more comfy cockpit-wise. On Sep 26, 6:29 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I rode my club's century today and as I was toiling up a hill, a young triathlete sort on a plastic thing (the tubes were not even round!) came by me and he said Sir, you might want to raise your seat a bit so you'll get more leverage. Unsolicited advice is so cool. My immediate thought was to tell him that I had been riding bikes since before he was born, but I've been trying to keep my mouth out of gear so I didn't say anything. But then I started thinking that back in the day, the rule of thumb, at least as it was passed down to me, was that when the pedal is in the 6 o'clock position, the knee should be very slightly bent. I've been doing that with every bike I've set up for lo these many years. Was that wrong? Has there been any progress in thinking on this subject? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Thoughts on Saddle Height?
Another thing is that triathletes usually have their saddles placed farther forward and higher up than do road riders - different strokes for different sports! His advice might not be right for you. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.comwrote: I start with my PBH measurement, then multiply by 1.09. I set the saddle to this height measuring along the seat tube from the axis of the pedal to the top of the saddle with the lower crank arm in line with the seat tube. I do this with the saddle level and centered on the saddle clamp. Then I ride-test it. Usually the bars are already in the correct position for me, which is about 2 cm below the saddle. If not, I change them. After this I have some rules for troubleshooting. I don't know if I should go into detail. The best shop fitting I had was when the coach used a goniometer to measure and set my knee angle at pedal bottom - between 25 and 30 degrees is the usual convention. This fitter used KOPS to set the saddle fore/aft position. The most critical thing is to get as much leg extension as you can without causing your hips to rock painfully. Will the simple knee extension rule do it for you? Only you can find out, but if another good rider says, you look a little low, it's reasonable to see if going up, maybe 1/8 inch at a time, does you any good without adding negatives - there are a lot of ways to look at it these days. Sometimes it takes a few hours or days to tell if a change brings negative effects with it. Try to mark or record your old position to be able to go back to the old position if it doesn't work. There is such a thing as going too far too fast with a change, having some pain, and needing to go back to where you were. Sometimes you need to do this while out on a ride. Think of that classic professional rider (forgot who) who carried wrenches to set his saddle in the middle of TdF stages! On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:16 AM, travis.ha...@gmail.com travis.ha...@gmail.com wrote: 2 centimeters, 4/5 of an inch? That's quite a bit. Did anyone ever offer observation to you that your hips were rocking when you pedaled? The other rule of foot-length is that heels just touching the pedals when the leg is fully extended implies the right bend at the knee when the distance from heel to place-of-foot over pedal is added. That said, common advice is that for many riders, moving cleats a bit behind the ball of the foot instead of under them is a better, if not most powerful position. That would imply a lower saddle, but just several mm. lower. On Sep 27, 10:28 am, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to double check, you could measure your pubic bone height (PBH) using the method on the rivendell site and then apply their formula for seat height, which is PBH minus 10-10.5cm. I did this recently and ended up lowering my saddles about 2 cm. So far, my hamstrings are thanking me. It also has the added advantage of raising my bars by 2cm relative to my seat, making everything just slightly more comfy cockpit-wise. On Sep 26, 6:29 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I rode my club's century today and as I was toiling up a hill, a young triathlete sort on a plastic thing (the tubes were not even round!) came by me and he said Sir, you might want to raise your seat a bit so you'll get more leverage. Unsolicited advice is so cool. My immediate thought was to tell him that I had been riding bikes since before he was born, but I've been trying to keep my mouth out of gear so I didn't say anything. But then I started thinking that back in the day, the rule of thumb, at least as it was passed down to me, was that when the pedal is in the 6 o'clock position, the knee should be very slightly bent. I've been doing that with every bike I've set up for lo these many years. Was that wrong? Has there been any progress in thinking on this subject? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Carradice Nelson and Carradice SQR, $60 shipped CONUS
Bag: Old, but good. This model has the double layer of canvas on the bottom instead of the plastic (I *think* the newer ones I owned had plastic down there, but I could be forgetting something). Canvas faded, straps rather grubby, but all in excellent working order. SQR: New (ish) -- has been mounted only on one bike. They don't fit on the Fargo. Note the SJS Cycles now has a very export friendly website: you can look up items with pricing in $, and shipping is quite cheap as are the prices for such things as saddlebags and SQRs. A new Nelson and SQR would run you $113 shipped to your US address. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: advice on crank / bb selection
I found this very helpful chart of Tange BB's, and Shimano's UN54 are about the same proportions. This is invaluable if you want to go changing BB's. The 111mm Tange is labelled as a 110 BTW. Look carefully at the charts ,as driveside/non driveside proportions are surprising, they don't really follow any what we may call a logical progression. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5029565072_d7ebfb0b4d.jpg http://blog.harriscyclery.com/relative-chainline-bottom-brackets/ You can use even a 118mm BB with a XD2 and get a decent 47-47.5mm chainline and a wider Q. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: my Rambouillet- some new pics
Very nice build, but I may be prejudice since my blue Ram is quite similar - Honjos, Paul's, Marks mini, DT shifters. I went with White hubs Dinotte lighting. What is the crank set? michael On Sep 27, 12:04 am, BykMor byk...@gmail.com wrote: My green Rambouillet is finally (almost) complete and it was a nice day out so I took a few pictures. Hopefully the link to my Picasa site will suffice. http://picasaweb.google.com/bykmor/RacingRivRam910?feat=directlink Fairly traditional build, but perked it up with some Paul's centerpull brakes, Honjo fenders and a Schmidt/Phil wheel combo by Peter White. The rear light is not wired quite yet, hence the battery light that I needed for the Salt to Saint Relay (Salt Lake City, UT to Saint George, UT) I did last weekend. The bike performed marvelously and our team did the 401 miles in just over 20 hours. A leather mud flap will bring the front fender reach down a bit, but I wanted a little more fender forward, as well as the ability to load the bike on a fork mount rack, which a low front fender sometimes precludes. Cheers, BykMor -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Bag and SQR claimed.
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[RBW] Re: New Thoughts on Saddle Height?
Saddle height is very person specific. I went with Riv method of PBH minus 10 for a saddle height of 72cm. Earlier this year I developed knee pain that prevented me from riding for 2 months. I went to a fitter who raised my saddle by 1.5cm and it has made a world of difference. This was in addition to adjusting the cleats on my shoes. It can't hurt to play around. The fitter had my bike hooked up to some fancy trainer that measured watt output and noticed an increase with the changed made. It was a pretty interesting experience. On Sep 27, 5:55 am, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote: Another thing is that triathletes usually have their saddles placed farther forward and higher up than do road riders - different strokes for different sports! His advice might not be right for you. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.comwrote: I start with my PBH measurement, then multiply by 1.09. I set the saddle to this height measuring along the seat tube from the axis of the pedal to the top of the saddle with the lower crank arm in line with the seat tube. I do this with the saddle level and centered on the saddle clamp. Then I ride-test it. Usually the bars are already in the correct position for me, which is about 2 cm below the saddle. If not, I change them. After this I have some rules for troubleshooting. I don't know if I should go into detail. The best shop fitting I had was when the coach used a goniometer to measure and set my knee angle at pedal bottom - between 25 and 30 degrees is the usual convention. This fitter used KOPS to set the saddle fore/aft position. The most critical thing is to get as much leg extension as you can without causing your hips to rock painfully. Will the simple knee extension rule do it for you? Only you can find out, but if another good rider says, you look a little low, it's reasonable to see if going up, maybe 1/8 inch at a time, does you any good without adding negatives - there are a lot of ways to look at it these days. Sometimes it takes a few hours or days to tell if a change brings negative effects with it. Try to mark or record your old position to be able to go back to the old position if it doesn't work. There is such a thing as going too far too fast with a change, having some pain, and needing to go back to where you were. Sometimes you need to do this while out on a ride. Think of that classic professional rider (forgot who) who carried wrenches to set his saddle in the middle of TdF stages! On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:16 AM, travis.ha...@gmail.com travis.ha...@gmail.com wrote: 2 centimeters, 4/5 of an inch? That's quite a bit. Did anyone ever offer observation to you that your hips were rocking when you pedaled? The other rule of foot-length is that heels just touching the pedals when the leg is fully extended implies the right bend at the knee when the distance from heel to place-of-foot over pedal is added. That said, common advice is that for many riders, moving cleats a bit behind the ball of the foot instead of under them is a better, if not most powerful position. That would imply a lower saddle, but just several mm. lower. On Sep 27, 10:28 am, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to double check, you could measure your pubic bone height (PBH) using the method on the rivendell site and then apply their formula for seat height, which is PBH minus 10-10.5cm. I did this recently and ended up lowering my saddles about 2 cm. So far, my hamstrings are thanking me. It also has the added advantage of raising my bars by 2cm relative to my seat, making everything just slightly more comfy cockpit-wise. On Sep 26, 6:29 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I rode my club's century today and as I was toiling up a hill, a young triathlete sort on a plastic thing (the tubes were not even round!) came by me and he said Sir, you might want to raise your seat a bit so you'll get more leverage. Unsolicited advice is so cool. My immediate thought was to tell him that I had been riding bikes since before he was born, but I've been trying to keep my mouth out of gear so I didn't say anything. But then I started thinking that back in the day, the rule of thumb, at least as it was passed down to me, was that when the pedal is in the 6 o'clock position, the knee should be very slightly bent. I've been doing that with every bike I've set up for lo these many years. Was that wrong? Has there been any progress in thinking on this subject? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: looking to buy tubus front lowrider rack for atlantis w 26 rims: any prefs over tara vs ergo/nova?
That's a nice rack but my first thought was Why didn't they finish it and put a platform on it? For pure touring, it is a very good design. Light weight but sturdy. Holds panniers tight to center. A small handlebar bag is enough for whatever most people need on the ride. I agree it is not practical for commuting or other day to day uses. On Sep 26, 5:20 pm, Ken Mattina ken.matt...@gmail.com wrote: That's a nice rack but my first thought was Why didn't they finish it and put a platform on it? Ken On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:22 AM, canali jwcoll...@hotmail.com wrote: looking to buy tubus front lowrider rack for atlantis w 26 rims: any prefs over the tubus tara vs ergo/nova? just would like to get some feedback on owners' prefs on these racks, if possible, pleasehad read somewhere that I'd also need some P clamp. PS just came across this newer Tubus front rack, too, designed for atlantis like front forks, i believe: http://www.tubus.com/en/lowrider/smarti cheers joe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Where did the spring go? Where did my hormones go? Where did my energy go? Where did my go go? Where did the pleasure go? Where did my hair go? -- Ray Davies- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Thoughts on Saddle Height?
I have always used the method of putting my heel on the pedal at 6 o'clock and adjusting the saddle height so that my leg is straight. This will provide some bend to the knees since you are pedaling with the ball of your foot. On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:29 PM, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I rode my club's century today and as I was toiling up a hill, a young triathlete sort on a plastic thing (the tubes were not even round!) came by me and he said Sir, you might want to raise your seat a bit so you'll get more leverage. Unsolicited advice is so cool. My immediate thought was to tell him that I had been riding bikes since before he was born, but I've been trying to keep my mouth out of gear so I didn't say anything. But then I started thinking that back in the day, the rule of thumb, at least as it was passed down to me, was that when the pedal is in the 6 o'clock position, the knee should be very slightly bent. I've been doing that with every bike I've set up for lo these many years. Was that wrong? Has there been any progress in thinking on this subject? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] finished hunqapillar build
More generally, Tell us how it is built up On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:09 AM, JimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: What a beautiful bike! Here's hoping that it stars in many of your great photos. -JimD On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:26 PM, erik jensen wrote: Taking a break after a day of assembly. Looking forward to tomorrow! photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikenoir/5024265087/lightbox/ erik -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Fai Mao The Blogger who sometimes responds to comments -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Thoughts on Saddle Height?
Very impressed with the effort some of you put into finding optimal seat height. I eyeball it when setting up the bike then make sure I have the appropriate seat post adjusting tool with me the first few rides (usually have this in any event - cepting the bike with the Pitlock binder.) On Sep 27, 9:12 am, sjauch sja...@gmail.com wrote: Saddle height is very person specific. I went with Riv method of PBH minus 10 for a saddle height of 72cm. Earlier this year I developed knee pain that prevented me from riding for 2 months. I went to a fitter who raised my saddle by 1.5cm and it has made a world of difference. This was in addition to adjusting the cleats on my shoes. It can't hurt to play around. The fitter had my bike hooked up to some fancy trainer that measured watt output and noticed an increase with the changed made. It was a pretty interesting experience. On Sep 27, 5:55 am, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote: Another thing is that triathletes usually have their saddles placed farther forward and higher up than do road riders - different strokes for different sports! His advice might not be right for you. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.comwrote: I start with my PBH measurement, then multiply by 1.09. I set the saddle to this height measuring along the seat tube from the axis of the pedal to the top of the saddle with the lower crank arm in line with the seat tube. I do this with the saddle level and centered on the saddle clamp. Then I ride-test it. Usually the bars are already in the correct position for me, which is about 2 cm below the saddle. If not, I change them. After this I have some rules for troubleshooting. I don't know if I should go into detail. The best shop fitting I had was when the coach used a goniometer to measure and set my knee angle at pedal bottom - between 25 and 30 degrees is the usual convention. This fitter used KOPS to set the saddle fore/aft position. The most critical thing is to get as much leg extension as you can without causing your hips to rock painfully. Will the simple knee extension rule do it for you? Only you can find out, but if another good rider says, you look a little low, it's reasonable to see if going up, maybe 1/8 inch at a time, does you any good without adding negatives - there are a lot of ways to look at it these days. Sometimes it takes a few hours or days to tell if a change brings negative effects with it. Try to mark or record your old position to be able to go back to the old position if it doesn't work. There is such a thing as going too far too fast with a change, having some pain, and needing to go back to where you were. Sometimes you need to do this while out on a ride. Think of that classic professional rider (forgot who) who carried wrenches to set his saddle in the middle of TdF stages! On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:16 AM, travis.ha...@gmail.com travis.ha...@gmail.com wrote: 2 centimeters, 4/5 of an inch? That's quite a bit. Did anyone ever offer observation to you that your hips were rocking when you pedaled? The other rule of foot-length is that heels just touching the pedals when the leg is fully extended implies the right bend at the knee when the distance from heel to place-of-foot over pedal is added. That said, common advice is that for many riders, moving cleats a bit behind the ball of the foot instead of under them is a better, if not most powerful position. That would imply a lower saddle, but just several mm. lower. On Sep 27, 10:28 am, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to double check, you could measure your pubic bone height (PBH) using the method on the rivendell site and then apply their formula for seat height, which is PBH minus 10-10.5cm. I did this recently and ended up lowering my saddles about 2 cm. So far, my hamstrings are thanking me. It also has the added advantage of raising my bars by 2cm relative to my seat, making everything just slightly more comfy cockpit-wise. On Sep 26, 6:29 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I rode my club's century today and as I was toiling up a hill, a young triathlete sort on a plastic thing (the tubes were not even round!) came by me and he said Sir, you might want to raise your seat a bit so you'll get more leverage. Unsolicited advice is so cool. My immediate thought was to tell him that I had been riding bikes since before he was born, but I've been trying to keep my mouth out of gear so I didn't say anything. But then I started thinking that back in the day, the rule of thumb, at least as it was passed down to me, was that when the pedal is in the 6 o'clock position, the knee should be very slightly bent. I've been doing
[RBW] Re: my Rambouillet- some new pics
I hadn't noticed that the lugs had changed; mine has the pointy-lugs like the Hilsen instead of the swoopy Atlantis-like ones. (I had noticed the mid-stay mounts, etc., but haven't used them yet... ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/in/set-72157623199721925/#/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/in/set-72157623199721925/lightbox/ ). ) On Sep 27, 12:36 am, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: There was a very special Hilsen-like run of Rams at the end. They had the lugs just like the Hilsen and the fork crown too. (It seems that Atlantises have these features now too.) More importantly, that last set of Rams also had mounts on the fork and seatstays for mini-racks. Pretty sweet bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: advice on crank / bb selection
on 9/26/10 9:45 PM, andrew hill at neurod...@gmail.com wrote: So.. when starting to build my new (to me) Romulus.. what size bb might folks suggest to get a nice wide Q? You have to watch it a bit there - simply swapping in a bottom bracket with a longer spindle will change your chainline. It could move it outboard enough to affect shifting. Spindle length and tread/Q are two separate things. http://sheldonbrown.com/chainline.html http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1991/pages/bridgestone-1991-13.htm http://www.rivbike.com/article/components/cranks To grossly overstate, most cranks currently available are wide or wider tread - reacting to the trend towards shorter chainstays of larger diameter. (MTB cranks seem to be the widest.) This allows the arms to clear the chainstays, which is generally a very good thing, but does move your feet wider, which may not be. They change the angle or outward placement of the arms, but also place the rings where they need to be for proper chainline. The generally accepted wisdom is that tread/Q should be narrow, but what defines narrow to me may not work for you. Hip width, knees and ankle angles and all sorts of stuff come into play. Some folks get on a wide set pair of cranks and go Aahh! while others certainly don't. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes You must be the change you want to see in the world. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: my Rambouillet- some new pics
Thanks for the comments, all. I like seeing the other builds. Nice, Leslie, I need to get me a Yehuda Moon pin. Not sure of the exact timing of this frame. Possibly towards the end of the 2006-2008 range. We also haven't figured out what, exactly, is up with that Sugino crankset. It's giving me a bit of issue with the left arm loosening. I'm looking for the perfect (all silver) cranks to throw on there. Likely with a square taper BB. Any suggestions? Happy trails all, BykMor On Sep 27, 8:55 am, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: I hadn't noticed that the lugs had changed; mine has the pointy-lugs like the Hilsen instead of the swoopy Atlantis-like ones. (I had noticed the mid-stay mounts, etc., but haven't used them yet... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/in/set-72157623... ). ) On Sep 27, 12:36 am, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: There was a very special Hilsen-like run of Rams at the end. They had the lugs just like the Hilsen and the fork crown too. (It seems that Atlantises have these features now too.) More importantly, that last set of Rams also had mounts on the fork and seatstays for mini-racks. Pretty sweet bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Thoughts on Saddle Height?
David Wilson, in Bicycle Science (the bible of bicycle engineering), advocated no knee flex at 6:00, meaning that a rider seeking maximum efficiency should raise his or her saddle just a bit if his or her knee is slightly bent at that position. Any flex there and you lose a significant amount of power from your stroke. That's the theory. In practice, as even Wilson admitted, you need just a wee bit of flex in order to avoid undue stress to the knees, if I recall correctly. In essence, it's possible that the triathlete thought that your knee was bend a bit more than necessary and that your saddle could indeed come up. On Sep 26, 6:29 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I rode my club's century today and as I was toiling up a hill, a young triathlete sort on a plastic thing (the tubes were not even round!) came by me and he said Sir, you might want to raise your seat a bit so you'll get more leverage. Unsolicited advice is so cool. My immediate thought was to tell him that I had been riding bikes since before he was born, but I've been trying to keep my mouth out of gear so I didn't say anything. But then I started thinking that back in the day, the rule of thumb, at least as it was passed down to me, was that when the pedal is in the 6 o'clock position, the knee should be very slightly bent. I've been doing that with every bike I've set up for lo these many years. Was that wrong? Has there been any progress in thinking on this subject? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: my Rambouillet- some new pics
I love the Cycles Gladiator cork spacer on the rack! The whole bike is dialed beautifully. That was the first time I'd seen that light mount in action - does it hold steady? Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Sep 26, 9:04 pm, BykMor byk...@gmail.com wrote: My green Rambouillet is finally (almost) complete and it was a nice day out so I took a few pictures. Hopefully the link to my Picasa site will suffice. http://picasaweb.google.com/bykmor/RacingRivRam910?feat=directlink Fairly traditional build, but perked it up with some Paul's centerpull brakes, Honjo fenders and a Schmidt/Phil wheel combo by Peter White. The rear light is not wired quite yet, hence the battery light that I needed for the Salt to Saint Relay (Salt Lake City, UT to Saint George, UT) I did last weekend. The bike performed marvelously and our team did the 401 miles in just over 20 hours. A leather mud flap will bring the front fender reach down a bit, but I wanted a little more fender forward, as well as the ability to load the bike on a fork mount rack, which a low front fender sometimes precludes. Cheers, BykMor -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: looking to buy tubus front lowrider rack for atlantis w 26 rims: any prefs over tara vs ergo/nova?
Patrick: (I should know better than to leave out details to qualify my statement... apologies)... I was running Big Apple 2.35 (60mm) tires. I didn't try it with narrower tires. BB On Sep 27, 10:18 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Bobby: What tires were on the Fargo when you tried it? I have a Tara and, while I did not actually mount it on the Fargo, I held it in place and it seemed to me that, with a little bending if necessary, it would work fine at least with 40 mm tires. But if you are sure that it won't work, I'll need the Duo or something. Thanks, PAM On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Tubus Tara lowrider rack (about 4 years old) that I have installed on my old 26 inch Mongoose ATB Tourer and ridden around maybe a dozen times (all for show, as it turns out !!!) I originally intended to use these on my Kogswell, but sold that bike before I got around to doing my imaginary grand tour or expedition to Tibet... Then I realized they wouldn't fit on my Fargo (which was too big)... so they sat hanging in my garage for the past few years. On my Bombadil I think I will just stick with the mini/platrack combo... The Tara attaches to the mid-fork braze-ons, but I believe I may also have fork straps. The newer Tara model obviously has been improved to attach to the canti mounts (if you don't have the mid-fork brazes). If interested, $50 + $10 shipping? (Where are you located?) I can take photos tonight. They're black, in great shape, and I have various hardware. montclairbob...@gmail.com On Sep 26, 1:22 pm, canali jwcoll...@hotmail.com wrote: looking to buy tubus front lowrider rack for atlantis w 26 rims: any prefs over the tubus tara vs ergo/nova? just would like to get some feedback on owners' prefs on these racks, if possible, pleasehad read somewhere that I'd also need some P clamp. PS just came across this newer Tubus front rack, too, designed for atlantis like front forks, i believe:http://www.tubus.com/en/lowrider/smarti cheers joe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] picture of ram or rom w/fenders
Last week or the week before last - in the discussion of fender clearance on ram's someone posted a picture of a ram or a rom with sks fenders and what looked like jack browns tires. Can that person post that picture again? I can't seem to find it in the archives and I want to take another look at it. thanks -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Riv-Related Photos
I took my Riv Road out for a little ride on Saturday--the Knoxville Double Century (204 miles, 12,000 feet of climbing, mid-90s temps). I didn't get photos of them, but there were several other Rivendells on the ride, including an orange Ram and a very pretty Riv Road (with ... Gasp! ... a threadless steerer and carbon-fiber bars!). Photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157624913992581/ I'm still working on captions, but most of them are there. --Eric www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] my Rambouillet- some new pics
Are those pedals a standard color, or did you add the green to the end plates? --Eric Color-Coordinated Bikes Go Faster Norris www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org On Sep 27, 2010, at 08:43 AM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: I love the Cycles Gladiator cork spacer on the rack! The whole bike is dialed beautifully. That was the first time I'd seen that light mount in action - does it hold steady? Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Sep 26, 9:04 pm, BykMor byk...@gmail.com wrote: My green Rambouillet is finally (almost) complete and it was a nice day out so I took a few pictures. Hopefully the link to my Picasa site will suffice. http://picasaweb.google.com/bykmor/RacingRivRam910?feat=directlink Fairly traditional build, but perked it up with some Paul's centerpull brakes, Honjo fenders and a Schmidt/Phil wheel combo by Peter White. The rear light is not wired quite yet, hence the battery light that I needed for the Salt to Saint Relay (Salt Lake City, UT to Saint George, UT) I did last weekend. The bike performed marvelously and our team did the 401 miles in just over 20 hours. A leather mud flap will bring the front fender reach down a bit, but I wanted a little more fender forward, as well as the ability to load the bike on a fork mount rack, which a low front fender sometimes precludes. Cheers, BykMor -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Not-so-small renovelo updates
So, things have changed quite a bit since Sept 4. The Renovelo frameset that I picked up had a couple issues. Issues that were hard to detect until you started building the bike. Anyhow, Riv totally started handling them as you'd expect. As that process was underway, I had a conversation with Keven about the bike I really wanted, had been saving up for, and that this Renovelo was functionally replacing. Waiting for repair work allowed me to contemplate my age and the amount of time I expect to have the bike, and the likelihood of ever buying another bike like it. One thing led to another, and I went ahead and asked Keven to apply the price I paid to a 650B 58cm A. Homer Hilsen instead. Keven was more than gracious. I think that the black Renovelo that I bought will likely come up again from Riv, but probably as a complete bike, so they can recoup the additional expense they will be putting into it. Anyhow, I'm now a Hilsen 650B owner. This is the prettiest frame I've ever seen. Of the two Hilsen blues, this is the lighter shade, slightly metallic and with a subtle pearl that you have to get into direct sun to really appreciate. I got about 80% through the build, and had to head out of the country for work. I get back Friday afternoon. It will be a longshot to finish the build and defeat jetlag to have it with me for the Mt Diablo ride on the 2nd of October. There are a couple of photos on my flickr. http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/5022081484/ On Sep 4, 5:49 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: very nice Bill. I didn't even spot this. The early bird gets the worm I guess. Though I'm busy plotting upgrades to my new-to-me Ram. New paint, brakes, wheels etc. ~Mike On Sep 3, 4:24 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I added a phone photo of the headtube to my flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4955037653/ On Sep 3, 1:18 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:14 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Seth I'll do that tonight. Jay told me that they were thinking of making the head tube decal into a proper head badge. I'm hoping they follow through with that. It sounds like it'll come down to dollars. I offered to pay my part. dude, with the money you saved by buying arenoveloframe see if you can get one of the various headbadge makers to make one for you. I'm sure riv would love to see a custom one cut like that. -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Riv-Related Photos (and a plug for the GB Cypres)
Very nice pics, Eric! I'm the owner of the carbon-barred, threadless steer tube Riv. It was a great ride and well supported. There seemed to be a lot less steel on the ride than I'm used to seeing. Through all the chip seal and the broken pavement and the potholes, my 700x28c Grand Bois Cypres tires took the edge off and save me at least a few pinch flats from hitting some of those potholes in the dark. For those who want to know, I ran them at 90/85 psi rear/front. I had about 1200 miles on the tires heading in and they're still running strong. Joe To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com From: campyonly...@me.com Subject: [RBW] Riv-Related Photos Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:19:01 + I took my Riv Road out for a little ride on Saturday--the Knoxville Double Century (204 miles, 12,000 feet of climbing, mid-90s temps). I didn't get photos of them, but there were several other Rivendells on the ride, including an orange Ram and a very pretty Riv Road (with ... Gasp! .. a threadless steerer and carbon-fiber bars!). Photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157624913992581/ I'm still working on captions, but most of them are there.--Eric www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Thoughts on Saddle Height?
Speaking as someone with somewhat troublesome knees, I cannot stand having my saddle height any lower than even 1-2 cm below my highest tolerable position. If I'm not getting a full extension with my quad I have a sensation of holding my breath in my knees. Also, your legs are strongest at the top of your extension. The real difference between TT, racing, and touring saddle positions is fore-to-aft. Having your saddle further forward is more efficient but less comfortable. When sliding your saddle back for comfort you must also lose some height to reproduce the same distance from saddle top to pedal. That triathlete type may not know the difference and was just assuming all saddle positions should be equal. Also, increases in flexibility allow an increase in saddle height. On Sep 27, 10:43 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Very impressed with the effort some of you put into finding optimal seat height. I eyeball it when setting up the bike then make sure I have the appropriate seat post adjusting tool with me the first few rides (usually have this in any event - cepting the bike with the Pitlock binder.) On Sep 27, 9:12 am, sjauch sja...@gmail.com wrote: Saddle height is very person specific. I went with Riv method of PBH minus 10 for a saddle height of 72cm. Earlier this year I developed knee pain that prevented me from riding for 2 months. I went to a fitter who raised my saddle by 1.5cm and it has made a world of difference. This was in addition to adjusting the cleats on my shoes. It can't hurt to play around. The fitter had my bike hooked up to some fancy trainer that measured watt output and noticed an increase with the changed made. It was a pretty interesting experience. On Sep 27, 5:55 am, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote: Another thing is that triathletes usually have their saddles placed farther forward and higher up than do road riders - different strokes for different sports! His advice might not be right for you. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.comwrote: I start with my PBH measurement, then multiply by 1.09. I set the saddle to this height measuring along the seat tube from the axis of the pedal to the top of the saddle with the lower crank arm in line with the seat tube. I do this with the saddle level and centered on the saddle clamp. Then I ride-test it. Usually the bars are already in the correct position for me, which is about 2 cm below the saddle. If not, I change them. After this I have some rules for troubleshooting. I don't know if I should go into detail. The best shop fitting I had was when the coach used a goniometer to measure and set my knee angle at pedal bottom - between 25 and 30 degrees is the usual convention. This fitter used KOPS to set the saddle fore/aft position. The most critical thing is to get as much leg extension as you can without causing your hips to rock painfully. Will the simple knee extension rule do it for you? Only you can find out, but if another good rider says, you look a little low, it's reasonable to see if going up, maybe 1/8 inch at a time, does you any good without adding negatives - there are a lot of ways to look at it these days. Sometimes it takes a few hours or days to tell if a change brings negative effects with it. Try to mark or record your old position to be able to go back to the old position if it doesn't work. There is such a thing as going too far too fast with a change, having some pain, and needing to go back to where you were. Sometimes you need to do this while out on a ride. Think of that classic professional rider (forgot who) who carried wrenches to set his saddle in the middle of TdF stages! On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:16 AM, travis.ha...@gmail.com travis.ha...@gmail.com wrote: 2 centimeters, 4/5 of an inch? That's quite a bit. Did anyone ever offer observation to you that your hips were rocking when you pedaled? The other rule of foot-length is that heels just touching the pedals when the leg is fully extended implies the right bend at the knee when the distance from heel to place-of-foot over pedal is added. That said, common advice is that for many riders, moving cleats a bit behind the ball of the foot instead of under them is a better, if not most powerful position. That would imply a lower saddle, but just several mm. lower. On Sep 27, 10:28 am, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to double check, you could measure your pubic bone height (PBH) using the method on the rivendell site and then apply their formula for seat height, which is PBH minus 10-10.5cm. I did this recently and ended up lowering my saddles
[RBW] Carrdice Nelson, SQR and Midge have been claimed. Thanks for the interest.
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[RBW] Backpack maker mentioned in an old Reader?
Grant was supporting a backpack manufacturer in a Riv Reader I once read. Can somebody save me a little time and tell me if they recall who that maker may be? I remember he touted them because they (the designer) were first to develop a frameless pack (IIRC). They went out of business for a time, then resurrected and now work out of the Northwest, (I believe). I would like to support and Originator. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Backpack maker mentioned in an old Reader?
There may have been others (away from the archives right now), but you might be thinking of this: http://www.rivbike.com/rivendell_trivia Rivendell Mountain Works Jensen pack - J On Sep 27, 8:38 am, Jeffrey unclecowb...@gmail.com wrote: Grant was supporting a backpack manufacturer in a Riv Reader I once read. Can somebody save me a little time and tell me if they recall who that maker may be? I remember he touted them because they (the designer) were first to develop a frameless pack (IIRC). They went out of business for a time, then resurrected and now work out of the Northwest, (I believe). I would like to support and Originator. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Backpack maker mentioned in an old Reader?
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Jeffrey unclecowb...@gmail.com wrote: Grant was supporting a backpack manufacturer in a Riv Reader I once read. Can somebody save me a little time and tell me if they recall who that maker may be? I remember he touted them because they (the designer) were first to develop a frameless pack (IIRC). They went out of business for a time, then resurrected and now work out of the Northwest, (I believe). I would like to support and Originator. It's their namesake, Rivendell Mountain Works: http://rivendellmountainworks.com/ -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: finished hunqapillar build
i took the hunqapillar out for a ride yesterday, and aside from coming down with some sort of flu out in the middle of briones, all was great. The 2.35 big apples roll over most anything, it was a bit crazy to find myself picking out the most difficult line for a change. quite a bit different than the 38mm slicks i've been using on the atlantis. they're heavy though, so i might look for something a bit skinnier just to help speed things up slightly. but as it is, the bike seems to beg you into trying to stop it and doesn't fail in the role. i love the mordor feel attribution, it certainly looks and feels the part. here's a build list: *cockpit*: bullmoose bars, paul thumbies, tektro levers. *wheels*: front, phil touring 36h mavic a719 -- rear, xtr 32h t517 (had both sitting around, hence the odd spoke imbalance, good enough though with large tires!) *drivetrain*: white industries wide range double (40x24), xt cassette (11-34), tiagra front + xt rear derailleurs *brakes*: front, paul components neo retro -- rear, empella froglegs nitto 83 seatpost, brooks. most all of this was used, which helped keep the cost down. patrick, the white industries crank has a variable bolt diameter--the inner ring mounts where it needs to along a continuous groove. again, thanks for all the positive comments. i'm flattered but i must insist that the real credit is due to those who crafted the frame and parts! looking forward to many rides! erik -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Backpack maker mentioned in an old Reader?
http://rivendellmountainworks.com/thanks.html Mentions Grant. Angus On Sep 27, 12:19 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Jeffrey unclecowb...@gmail.com wrote: Grant was supporting a backpack manufacturer in a Riv Reader I once read. Can somebody save me a little time and tell me if they recall who that maker may be? I remember he touted them because they (the designer) were first to develop a frameless pack (IIRC). They went out of business for a time, then resurrected and now work out of the Northwest, (I believe). I would like to support and Originator. It's their namesake, Rivendell Mountain Works:http://rivendellmountainworks.com/ -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: finished hunqapillar build
I must look into that WI crankset. I've found that the BAs roll very well for their bulk; they even climb surprisingly well -- and I've paired mine with 780 gram 45 mm rims -- and this even at absurdly low pressures -- sub 15/sub 20. Yesterday I was maintaining 18 mph on pavement (as well as on firm gravel) with the effort that gives me 19 or 20 on the narrow tire'd, much lighter Rivendells. Hell, I think that the Fargo with these tires is as fast as the Sam HIll with 33 mm JB greens. And, of course, it is amazing what you can ride over with 60 MM + of soft tire. I'd love to compare a Hunk with the Fargo equipped with the same wheels, but alas, no chance of that. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:32 AM, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: i took the hunqapillar out for a ride yesterday, and aside from coming down with some sort of flu out in the middle of briones, all was great. The 2.35 big apples roll over most anything, it was a bit crazy to find myself picking out the most difficult line for a change. quite a bit different than the 38mm slicks i've been using on the atlantis. they're heavy though, so i might look for something a bit skinnier just to help speed things up slightly. but as it is, the bike seems to beg you into trying to stop it and doesn't fail in the role. i love the mordor feel attribution, it certainly looks and feels the part. here's a build list: cockpit: bullmoose bars, paul thumbies, tektro levers. wheels: front, phil touring 36h mavic a719 -- rear, xtr 32h t517 (had both sitting around, hence the odd spoke imbalance, good enough though with large tires!) drivetrain: white industries wide range double (40x24), xt cassette (11-34), tiagra front + xt rear derailleurs brakes: front, paul components neo retro -- rear, empella froglegs nitto 83 seatpost, brooks. most all of this was used, which helped keep the cost down. patrick, the white industries crank has a variable bolt diameter--the inner ring mounts where it needs to along a continuous groove. again, thanks for all the positive comments. i'm flattered but i must insist that the real credit is due to those who crafted the frame and parts! looking forward to many rides! erik -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Backpack maker mentioned in an old Reader?
I have one. They are made to order. Not as luxe as some of the new fangled offerings on the market, but very nice and comfortable to use. On Sep 27, 10:38 am, Jeffrey unclecowb...@gmail.com wrote: Grant was supporting a backpack manufacturer in a Riv Reader I once read. Can somebody save me a little time and tell me if they recall who that maker may be? I remember he touted them because they (the designer) were first to develop a frameless pack (IIRC). They went out of business for a time, then resurrected and now work out of the Northwest, (I believe). I would like to support and Originator. Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Reminder: Garage Sale and Ride
Can anyone tell me the mileage from Riv WHQ to the top of Mt. Diablo? I'm considering the ride. And yes, I know that the hard part is elevation gain, not mileage, but with elevation (that I know) and mileage, I can gauge just how much I'll embarass myself if I try the ride. Thanks! Reid -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Garage Sale and Ride
About fourteen miles. Google Maps is your friend. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:10 AM, reidplum rubye.cerve...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone tell me the mileage from Riv WHQ to the top of Mt. Diablo? I'm considering the ride. And yes, I know that the hard part is elevation gain, not mileage, but with elevation (that I know) and mileage, I can gauge just how much I'll embarass myself if I try the ride. Thanks! -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Not-so-small renovelo updates
Wow love that blue -looks like its going to be a gorgeous bike look forward to the final build photos. Chapeau on making the choice to get the one you really wanted I have too often settled for something that was mostly what I wanted and then thought maybe I should have bought X rather than enjoying the y version I actually got. I don't think you will have any second guessing on the Homer Ryan W. Seattle On Sep 27, 9:53 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: So, things have changed quite a bit since Sept 4. The Renovelo frameset that I picked up had a couple issues. Issues that were hard to detect until you started building the bike. Anyhow, Riv totally started handling them as you'd expect. As that process was underway, I had a conversation with Keven about the bike I really wanted, had been saving up for, and that this Renovelo was functionally replacing. Waiting for repair work allowed me to contemplate my age and the amount of time I expect to have the bike, and the likelihood of ever buying another bike like it. One thing led to another, and I went ahead and asked Keven to apply the price I paid to a 650B 58cm A. Homer Hilsen instead. Keven was more than gracious. I think that the black Renovelo that I bought will likely come up again from Riv, but probably as a complete bike, so they can recoup the additional expense they will be putting into it. Anyhow, I'm now a Hilsen 650B owner. This is the prettiest frame I've ever seen. Of the two Hilsen blues, this is the lighter shade, slightly metallic and with a subtle pearl that you have to get into direct sun to really appreciate. I got about 80% through the build, and had to head out of the country for work. I get back Friday afternoon. It will be a longshot to finish the build and defeat jetlag to have it with me for the Mt Diablo ride on the 2nd of October. There are a couple of photos on my flickr. http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/5022081484/ On Sep 4, 5:49 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: very nice Bill. I didn't even spot this. The early bird gets the worm I guess. Though I'm busy plotting upgrades to my new-to-me Ram. New paint, brakes, wheels etc. ~Mike On Sep 3, 4:24 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I added a phone photo of the headtube to my flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758...@n04/4955037653/ On Sep 3, 1:18 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:14 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Seth I'll do that tonight. Jay told me that they were thinking of making the head tube decal into a proper head badge. I'm hoping they follow through with that. It sounds like it'll come down to dollars. I offered to pay my part. dude, with the money you saved by buying arenoveloframe see if you can get one of the various headbadge makers to make one for you. I'm sure riv would love to see a custom one cut like that. -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: finished hunqapillar build
I must save for one of those. I've been hassling myself trying to make a 44/30 double for the Fargo without widening the Q any more than it currently is (160) with the XD2 and the 113 mm Tange. I can't run the 44 and 30 in the inner positions because they then butt up against the stay before they get half tight. On the outer positions, of course, I can only go down to a 34. The VBC would fit the frame with the existing 113 with room to spare (only 121 mm across the stays at the 8 point) and I expect it will also give me a lower Q. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:32 AM, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: i took the hunqapillar out for a ride yesterday, and aside from coming down with some sort of flu out in the middle of briones, all was great. The 2.35 big apples roll over most anything, it was a bit crazy to find myself picking out the most difficult line for a change. quite a bit different than the 38mm slicks i've been using on the atlantis. they're heavy though, so i might look for something a bit skinnier just to help speed things up slightly. but as it is, the bike seems to beg you into trying to stop it and doesn't fail in the role. i love the mordor feel attribution, it certainly looks and feels the part. here's a build list: cockpit: bullmoose bars, paul thumbies, tektro levers. wheels: front, phil touring 36h mavic a719 -- rear, xtr 32h t517 (had both sitting around, hence the odd spoke imbalance, good enough though with large tires!) drivetrain: white industries wide range double (40x24), xt cassette (11-34), tiagra front + xt rear derailleurs brakes: front, paul components neo retro -- rear, empella froglegs nitto 83 seatpost, brooks. most all of this was used, which helped keep the cost down. patrick, the white industries crank has a variable bolt diameter--the inner ring mounts where it needs to along a continuous groove. again, thanks for all the positive comments. i'm flattered but i must insist that the real credit is due to those who crafted the frame and parts! looking forward to many rides! erik -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Thoughts on Saddle Height?
Waht was the relationship of the foot to the pedal in this recommendation. It will make a big difference if the ball of the foot is on the pedal versus the rear of the foot or heel. Most modern discussions allow that there is definitely such a thing as having too small of a knee angle at max extension, with 25 degrees being a common minimum recommendation. Whether or thot that is just a wee bit of flex is beyond me. I'd prefer to work to the number or to use my elaborate method. And, it didn't feel wee to me when I was set up by this method. The stress on knees from too little knee angle is in the back of the knee. For too much knee angle, it's the back of the kneecap, felt in the front of the knee. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:31 AM, kevin lindsey lindsey.ke...@gmail.comwrote: David Wilson, in Bicycle Science (the bible of bicycle engineering), advocated no knee flex at 6:00, meaning that a rider seeking maximum efficiency should raise his or her saddle just a bit if his or her knee is slightly bent at that position. Any flex there and you lose a significant amount of power from your stroke. That's the theory. In practice, as even Wilson admitted, you need just a wee bit of flex in order to avoid undue stress to the knees, if I recall correctly. In essence, it's possible that the triathlete thought that your knee was bend a bit more than necessary and that your saddle could indeed come up. On Sep 26, 6:29 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote: I rode my club's century today and as I was toiling up a hill, a young triathlete sort on a plastic thing (the tubes were not even round!) came by me and he said Sir, you might want to raise your seat a bit so you'll get more leverage. Unsolicited advice is so cool. My immediate thought was to tell him that I had been riding bikes since before he was born, but I've been trying to keep my mouth out of gear so I didn't say anything. But then I started thinking that back in the day, the rule of thumb, at least as it was passed down to me, was that when the pedal is in the 6 o'clock position, the knee should be very slightly bent. I've been doing that with every bike I've set up for lo these many years. Was that wrong? Has there been any progress in thinking on this subject? GeorgeS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Thoughts on Saddle Height?
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Travis travisbreitenb...@gmail.com wrote: Having your saddle further forward is more efficient but less comfortable. Where did you get this information? That is not at all my experience, which is wholly the contrary: pushing the saddle backward (I have mine very far behind the bb) encourages a much more powerful stroke than a far forward saddle -- I know, on Grant's advice I changed my saddle from all the way forward (mistakenly chasing the elusive KOPS while keeping a high saddle) to, now, all the way back (this over a period of some 15 years) and find that the butt back position makes my stroke far, far more powerful. I had complained to Grant that, with a very forward saddle position, I felt as if I were losing the stroke at the top. Now that I am behind the bb, I have much more power over the top. I'll agree with you about the more comfortable assertion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: finished hunqapillar build
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:51 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I must save for one of those. I've been hassling myself trying to make a 44/30 double for the Fargo without widening the Q any more than it currently is (160) with the XD2 and the 113 mm Tange. I can't run the 44 and 30 in the inner positions because they then butt up against the stay before they get half tight. On the outer positions, of course, I can only go down to a 34. Hey Patrick, A cheaper option might be to keep an eye out for the 94/58 bcd cranks. Ritchey used to make them. They were the original compact crank. With 94 BCD, 44/30 works well. I'm running this crank on my bike with a 103 mm bb. Another option is the Sakae 86 BCD crankset that used to ship on mid-80's Trek tourers. The rings are deprecated, but lots of these cranksets are around. I think the standard set up was 52/44/28 or similar -- so removing the 52 and sliding the 44/28 over a slot works well for a low-Q crank. Finally: there's always the Sugino PX/Cyclotourist double set up. I like 44/30-ish doubles and low tread, so I'll use all of these cranks -- which can be found if you keep an eye out. -- John Speare Spokane, WA USA http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: DaVinci Splitters - They're AWESOME!
nice bike I'm interested in the front light setup. what is that front light, how is it mounted on the front rack, and where do I get one best tom savarino On Sep 26, 2:53 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: I complete agree... they are really sweet. It's two bikes in one! And a nice bike it is: I sure like that Bombadil. Great tire choice. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Sep 25, 7:32 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: I was a bit skeptical at first, but I was not only able to set up two different handlebar configurations with DaVinci splitters, I was able to swap bars in 5 minutes, 41 seconds on the first try... This is really sweet. I'm doing a long ride tomorrow, and prefer to run the Noodles... I plan to swap back the bullmoose bars for commuting. Check out the photos:http://tinyurl.com/25y4xe7 I used the DaVinci splitters for the shifters only. For the brakes, since I'm running linear pull / V brakes, I just picked up an extra set of noodles, and disconnect the brake cables at the brakes... very simple and effective. Each setup has its own set of downtube cable adjustors... makes it nice and easy. DaVinci splitters... I LIKE BB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Speaking of the garage sale,
Jay, who is in charge, took a few pictures, just to give us all a hint of what we can expect on Saturday. http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/garage-sale-october-2-2010/01-009 Hope to see you at 8:30 sharp, (but no sooner, so we can get it all set up and be fair to everyone, especially the punctual). Cheers, John at RBW HQ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv-Related Photos
This ride completed my 21st consecutive California Triple Crown... Jiminy cricket! On Sep 27, 10:19 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: I took my Riv Road out for a little ride on Saturday--the Knoxville Double Century (204 miles, 12,000 feet of climbing, mid-90s temps). I didn't get photos of them, but there were several other Rivendells on the ride, including an orange Ram and a very pretty Riv Road (with ... Gasp! ... a threadless steerer and carbon-fiber bars!). Photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/sets/72157624913992581/ I'm still working on captions, but most of them are there. --Ericwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Reminder: Garage Sale and Ride
Go to this link for distance and climb info... http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/ca/walnut-creek/1185529077 On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: About fourteen miles. Google Maps is your friend. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:10 AM, reidplum rubye.cerve...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone tell me the mileage from Riv WHQ to the top of Mt. Diablo? I'm considering the ride. And yes, I know that the hard part is elevation gain, not mileage, but with elevation (that I know) and mileage, I can gauge just how much I'll embarass myself if I try the ride. Thanks! -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Speaking of the garage sale,
on 9/27/10 2:26 PM, John Bennett at johnat...@gmail.com wrote: Jay, who is in charge, took a few pictures, just to give us all a hint of what we can expect on Saturday. http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/garage-sale-october-2-2010/01-009 Hope to see you at 8:30 sharp, (but no sooner, so we can get it all set up and be fair to everyone, especially the punctual). Temptress, thy name is Rivendell -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes You must be the change you want to see in the world. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] WTB: Sackville SaddleSack-Medium (Grey)
If anyone has one in decent condition I'd be interested. A new SaddleSack is a bit out of my price range. I'd prefer Grid Grey to match my bike and other Sackville baggage. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Speaking of the garage sale,
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:09 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 9/27/10 2:26 PM, John Bennett at johnat...@gmail.com wrote: Jay, who is in charge, took a few pictures, just to give us all a hint of what we can expect on Saturday. http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/garage-sale-october-2-2010/01-009 Hope to see you at 8:30 sharp, (but no sooner, so we can get it all set up and be fair to everyone, especially the punctual). Temptress, thy name is Rivendell Cruel temptress is more like it. If anyone wants to bring their laptop and do a little video tour garage sale via google video-chat w/me - feel free to drop me an email. 8:30am PDT is 11:30am my time so I should be awake. :) -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Speaking of the garage sale,
I'm was coming anyway, but nonetheless, evil I say, EVIL. On Sep 27, 2010, at 2:26 PM, John Bennett wrote: Jay, who is in charge, took a few pictures, just to give us all a hint of what we can expect on Saturday. http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/garage-sale-october-2-2010/01-009 Hope to see you at 8:30 sharp, (but no sooner, so we can get it all set up and be fair to everyone, especially the punctual). Cheers, John at RBW HQ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Thoughts on Saddle Height?
Sir, you might want to raise your seat a bit so you'll get more leverage. More leverage from a higher saddle? I'd like to see the physics that validates that assertion. td -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: my Rambouillet- some new pics
Leslie, Perfect bike. It looks you are getting the most out of the fender and tire room. What size tires are those? -Jim W. On Sep 27, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Leslie wrote: I hadn't noticed that the lugs had changed; mine has the pointy-lugs like the Hilsen instead of the swoopy Atlantis-like ones. (I had noticed the mid-stay mounts, etc., but haven't used them yet... ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/in/set-72157623199721925/#/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/in/set-72157623199721925/lightbox/ ). ) On Sep 27, 12:36 am, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: There was a very special Hilsen-like run of Rams at the end. They had the lugs just like the Hilsen and the fork crown too. (It seems that Atlantises have these features now too.) More importantly, that last set of Rams also had mounts on the fork and seatstays for mini-racks. Pretty sweet bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
I am Grand Crurious myself...but I don't think they would work on the Bleriot - and they don't open very wide, comparatively. On Sep 27, 6:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speaking of the garage sale,
Definitely evil. Especially as I'm half a country away. Wonder what the tweed bag is? And if I could fit in any of that clothing. Ah well. I'd really be humiliated on that climb. Good enough reason not to go. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sep 27, 6:28 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I'm was coming anyway, but nonetheless, evil I say, EVIL. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
Hi, I just got a set. They replace the Shimano BR600 long reach I had on my Rivendell. I switched o Campagnolo on that bike and didn't want to mix Shimano Campy (but off-brands are OK?!) The brakes are very nicely made. The pads are a very good quality. They open a very slight more amount than the Shimano's did. They modulate and stop to my liking. They were 20grams lighter than the BR600's - like anyone on this list would care about such no sense, but I like using my digital scale! (I tried the Silver's/Techno's one time on this bike and was not pleased with their stopping power.) Somewhere on the internet, I saw the same exact brakes under a different brand name on a nice bike. On Sep 27, 2010, at 3:35 PM, Adam Kimball wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of the garage sale,
anyone planning or hoping to ride trails down? we could form the rear guard on the road slog, and enjoy some splendid riding on the way down. erik hopes to justify 60mm tires this weekend On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:27 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Definitely evil. Especially as I'm half a country away. Wonder what the tweed bag is? And if I could fit in any of that clothing. Ah well. I'd really be humiliated on that climb. Good enough reason not to go. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sep 27, 6:28 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I'm was coming anyway, but nonetheless, evil I say, EVIL. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Paul Racers have been around for years, have a very loyal following, and stop bikes as well as any rim brake made. The Crus are brand new to the market, dual pivot not center pull, not as robust as the Pauls, and in my opinion anyway (and having only seen the Crus on line), nowhere near as good looking. Under the circumstances I have not a clue how anyone can confirm VO's puffery. Certainly it is impossible to say the Crus will be as durable as the Pauls. The best one can say is that it would be an amazing feat, indeed, if the Crus are better than Paul. To put things in perspective, when VO was selling custom made Randonnuers instead of the stock frames (which it is dropping in any event) it offered Paul's at a discount with the frame purchase. I seem to recall the VO text saying Paul's were the best brakes out there. On Sep 27, 5:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
Haven't used them on a bike, but FWIW, I've fondled them in the VO showroom and was fairly impressed with the quality and value. I already rub Paul's on my AHH, and think they're great. Alex Moll Marysville, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speaking of the garage sale,
Maybe once, just once, one time for all of us who arent in the WC RBW WHQ vicinity, they could do a virtual garage sale. Too much of a pain? Maybe, but come onjust one time. Riv is an internet/mail order business, right? We are its internet/ mail order customers, right? (said in the nicest, most pleading way possible-- basically begging). There just looks to be so much good mysterious stuff in all those piles. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv-Related Photos
Great Pics. Looks like a great ride. I see you have an Element. My bike and I have spent many nights in my Element. Best bike car ever? Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
I was writing back and forth with someone who has them, replacing the Tektro/Silver (556???) long reach models. They said the stopping power was great, no mushiness at all, but that you had to deflate wide tires to get them in. For them, that was worth it. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:20 PM, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote: Haven't used them on a bike, but FWIW, I've fondled them in the VO showroom and was fairly impressed with the quality and value. I already rub Paul's on my AHH, and think they're great. Alex Moll Marysville, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speaking of the garage sale,
It does look like some good stuff, but I imagine that they wound up with a lot of it due to picky unhappy customers in some variety or another. I used to manage operations at catalog retailer at one point in my life and we offered grab bags of product at different price points. Amazingly, they sold very well and there were very low returns even though we were willing to accept them. It'd be kind of fun to buy a $50 grab bag of bike stuff from the garage sale just to see what one might wind up with. I think it'd be fun to drop by for the sale and a bike ride to boot. On Sep 27, 8:27 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Maybe once, just once, one time for all of us who arent in the WC RBW WHQ vicinity, they could do a virtual garage sale. Too much of a pain? Maybe, but come onjust one time. Riv is an internet/mail order business, right? We are its internet/ mail order customers, right? (said in the nicest, most pleading way possible-- basically begging). There just looks to be so much good mysterious stuff in all those piles. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speaking of the garage sale,
This is exactly what I was thinking, right down to the price point. iCycles has a $5 Box of Crap you can buy off their website. I think a $50 'rab 'ag would be a lot of fun, possibly with a flurry of trading after. Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Sep 27, 7:28 pm, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com wrote: It does look like some good stuff, but I imagine that they wound up with a lot of it due to picky unhappy customers in some variety or another. I used to manage operations at catalog retailer at one point in my life and we offered grab bags of product at different price points. Amazingly, they sold very well and there were very low returns even though we were willing to accept them. It'd be kind of fun to buy a $50 grab bag of bike stuff from the garage sale just to see what one might wind up with. I think it'd be fun to drop by for the sale and a bike ride to boot. On Sep 27, 8:27 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Maybe once, just once, one time for all of us who arent in the WC RBW WHQ vicinity, they could do a virtual garage sale. Too much of a pain? Maybe, but come onjust one time. Riv is an internet/mail order business, right? We are its internet/ mail order customers, right? (said in the nicest, most pleading way possible-- basically begging). There just looks to be so much good mysterious stuff in all those piles. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
Hi, I've had the Paul's Racers and now the Crus. The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. I don't see why the Crus would not be as durable as the Paul's. Both brakes are CNC machined from aluminum plate. They are not forged or cast. Time will tell though, but the Crus are much cheaper. Cheers! On Sep 27, 2010, at 6:15 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Paul Racers have been around for years, have a very loyal following, and stop bikes as well as any rim brake made. The Crus are brand new to the market, dual pivot not center pull, not as robust as the Pauls, and in my opinion anyway (and having only seen the Crus on line), nowhere near as good looking. Under the circumstances I have not a clue how anyone can confirm VO's puffery. Certainly it is impossible to say the Crus will be as durable as the Pauls. The best one can say is that it would be an amazing feat, indeed, if the Crus are better than Paul. To put things in perspective, when VO was selling custom made Randonnuers instead of the stock frames (which it is dropping in any event) it offered Paul's at a discount with the frame purchase. I seem to recall the VO text saying Paul's were the best brakes out there. On Sep 27, 5:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speaking of the garage sale,
So how was the riding? On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: This is exactly what I was thinking, right down to the price point. iCycles has a $5 Box of Crap you can buy off their website. I think a $50 'rab 'ag would be a lot of fun, possibly with a flurry of trading after. Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Sep 27, 7:28 pm, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com wrote: It does look like some good stuff, but I imagine that they wound up with a lot of it due to picky unhappy customers in some variety or another. I used to manage operations at catalog retailer at one point in my life and we offered grab bags of product at different price points. Amazingly, they sold very well and there were very low returns even though we were willing to accept them. It'd be kind of fun to buy a $50 grab bag of bike stuff from the garage sale just to see what one might wind up with. I think it'd be fun to drop by for the sale and a bike ride to boot. On Sep 27, 8:27 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Maybe once, just once, one time for all of us who arent in the WC RBW WHQ vicinity, they could do a virtual garage sale. Too much of a pain? Maybe, but come onjust one time. Riv is an internet/mail order business, right? We are its internet/ mail order customers, right? (said in the nicest, most pleading way possible-- basically begging). There just looks to be so much good mysterious stuff in all those piles. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Thoughts on Saddle Height?
Come to think of it, the guy did look like he spent a lot more time on the bike than in the books. I'm a lawyer, so the only leverage I recognize doesn't involve mechanics. GeorgeS On Sep 27, 6:28 pm, RonaTD teddur...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Sir, you might want to raise your seat a bit so you'll get more leverage. More leverage from a higher saddle? I'd like to see the physics that validates that assertion. td -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
I've gotten feedback from a few who've used them. Both said they were far better in stiffness and modulation than either the ShimaNo or the Tektros. I'm about ready to buy a pair for my new-to-me Ram. The only down side I've heard is that the Tektro's open wider. With a Tektro lever with the QR button they will barely clear a Jack Brown was what I heard. M Racers open wider. The Pauls look incredible but I wanted to stay with sidepulls on this bike ( got Paul braze-on's on the Randonneuse) ~Mike~ On Sep 27, 8:24 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Hi, I've had the Paul's Racers and now the Crus. The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. I don't see why the Crus would not be as durable as the Paul's. Both brakes are CNC machined from aluminum plate. They are not forged or castTime will tell though, but the Crus are much cheaper. Cheers! On Sep 27, 2010, at 6:15 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Paul Racers have been around for years, have a very loyal following, and stop bikes as well as any rim brake made. The Crus are brand new to the market, dual pivot not center pull, not as robust as the Pauls, and in my opinion anyway (and having only seen the Crus on line), nowhere near as good looking. Under the circumstances I have not a clue how anyone can confirm VO's puffery. Certainly it is impossible to say the Crus will be as durable as the Pauls. The best one can say is that it would be an amazing feat, indeed, if the Crus are better than Paul. To put things in perspective, when VO was selling custom made Randonnuers instead of the stock frames (which it is dropping in any event) it offered Paul's at a discount with the frame purchase. I seem to recall the VO text saying Paul's were the best brakes out there. On Sep 27, 5:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Honolulu Century Ride! (well half of it anyway)
Yesterday was the Honolulu Century Ride, an often lovely (and sometimes not so much) lovely ride from Kapiolani Park at the base of Diamond Head north along the coast to Ka'a'awa and back. To be honest I prefer the Haleiwa Metric Century, not because it's shorter, but because it's all out in the country and one doesn't have to ride though so many suburbs and parts of Kaneohe. Still it can be a good time, especially on a Quickbeam. Sadly I wasn't able to ride the entire hundred miles yesterday. I had obligations in the afternoon which meant I had to stop at 50. However, instead of doing 25 miles and turning around to retrace my steps I chose to ride the entire route out to Ka'a'awa and take the sag wagon back...our sag wagon being our regular bus system known as TheBus. For $2.50 my bike and I got a pretty quick ride back to town and I could make my appointment. All our buses have bike racks these days so it's a great way of riding out and not having to worry about back. My Quickbeam is setup with the regular 40-32 up front and in back I've got a 16-19 DOS and a bailout 22 on the other side of the wheel. I used the 22 this weekend our own 'heartbreak hill.' Normally I take side road which avoids the steep climb and opt for a longer shallower climb but the route took us up the hill. I only mention this because I didn't take pictures on the ride, not wanting to take breaks and cut into the time I did have for riding. As luck would have it someone else caught me in a picture at the bottom of the 'hb hill' as I was flipping my wheel. You can't tell it's me unless you know the way I dress, but there's a bit of my back and wee bit of my front wheel with fender. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xXnIGRxDyQ0/TJ-_sM2vtnI/DoE/4bS8xwa00eY/s1600/DSCN3498_edited-1.jpg Here's the blog I found it on... http://theflattire.blogspot.com/2010/09/honolulu-century-ride-short-version.html I think I saw about 5 other bikes (out of thousands) with fenders. I saw no other Rivs but mine got quite a few comments. There were some other riders without derailleurs out there...but their bikes didn't look as comfortable as mine. :-) Anyway I had a great time but I do wish I'd had time for the whole 100. Aloha! -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
IMHO its all about the pads which are easily changed. Really now. its a mechanical clamp squeezing two rubber pads onto an aluminum rim. The only thing that might affect stopping power is the riders hand strength. The amount of flex increases with the length of the arm if its not made thicker or if the shape is not modified but I don't see how that can affect stopping power, feel maybe but not sheer stopping power. Looks and precision construction are another matter. I can't see how any imported brake would match the Paul brakes in that department unless they set out to make a more expensive brake that would directly compete in the first place. I'm not even sure how anyone could test a brake for its stopping power while riding it without inflicting some hand operated bias. If a machine were made that spun a 300 pound wheel at 25 mph and mechanically squeezed a particular brand of brake/pad you could then measure the stopping power accurately enough. Otherwise the better brake idea is kind of a subjective one. I say buy what you like they are just brakes. On Sep 27, 3:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
Brake calipers are more sophisticated than you think. And the place of origin has nothing to do with how well they work. Pauls are well designed and made, and considerably more expensive. The design or the caliper and the cross sectional area of the arm can certainly make a difference in mechanical advantage. ~Mike~ On Sep 27, 10:06 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: IMHO its all about the pads which are easily changed. Really now. its a mechanical clamp squeezing two rubber pads onto an aluminum rim. The only thing that might affect stopping power is the riders hand strength. The amount of flex increases with the length of the arm if its not made thicker or if the shape is not modified but I don't see how that can affect stopping power, feel maybe but not sheer stopping power. Looks and precision construction are another matter. I can't see how any imported brake would match the Paul brakes in that department unless they set out to make a more expensive brake that would directly compete in the first place. I'm not even sure how anyone could test a brake for its stopping power while riding it without inflicting some hand operated bias. If a machine were made that spun a 300 pound wheel at 25 mph and mechanically squeezed a particular brand of brake/pad you could then measure the stopping power accurately enough. Otherwise the better brake idea is kind of a subjective one. I say buy what you like they are just brakes. On Sep 27, 3:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: my Rambouillet- some new pics
Where can I find the mount for the front headlight that you have? It's great! On Sep 27, 6:33 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: Leslie, Perfect bike. It looks you are getting the most out of the fender and tire room. What size tires are those? -Jim W. On Sep 27, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Leslie wrote: I hadn't noticed that the lugs had changed; mine has the pointy-lugs like the Hilsen instead of the swoopy Atlantis-like ones. (I had noticed the mid-stay mounts, etc., but haven't used them yet... ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4407972696/in/set-72157623... ). ) On Sep 27, 12:36 am, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: There was a very special Hilsen-like run of Rams at the end. They had the lugs just like the Hilsen and the fork crown too. (It seems that Atlantises have these features now too.) More importantly, that last set of Rams also had mounts on the fork and seatstays for mini-racks. Pretty sweet bikes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
I have them and like them a great deal. To be fair to VO's marketing copy, best of their kind may mean standard reach dual calipers so they may not be comparing themselves to centerpulls. Even ignoring that, at the time VO released their Grand Crus the Paul Racer M's weren't available, only the original long-reach variety. That said, if I were picking parts now, I'd probably spend the extra cash for the Paul Racer M's because I do think they're prettier, like centerpulls, and enjoy spoiling my Rambouillet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: my Rambouillet- some new pics
I'll second the question on tire size. Also, how is the fender attached to thet top of the fork? On Sep 26, 9:04 pm, BykMor byk...@gmail.com wrote: My green Rambouillet is finally (almost) complete and it was a nice day out so I took a few pictures. Hopefully the link to my Picasa site will suffice. http://picasaweb.google.com/bykmor/RacingRivRam910?feat=directlink Fairly traditional build, but perked it up with some Paul's centerpull brakes, Honjo fenders and a Schmidt/Phil wheel combo by Peter White. The rear light is not wired quite yet, hence the battery light that I needed for the Salt to Saint Relay (Salt Lake City, UT to Saint George, UT) I did last weekend. The bike performed marvelously and our team did the 401 miles in just over 20 hours. A leather mud flap will bring the front fender reach down a bit, but I wanted a little more fender forward, as well as the ability to load the bike on a fork mount rack, which a low front fender sometimes precludes. Cheers, BykMor -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
