[RBW] Re: Bill's 57cm Legolas build thread

[Andrew Patteson]

Holy cow, another stupendously great bike.  You have a gift.

Andrew in SLC, UT


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[RBW] Re: FS 55cm Sam Hillborne

[Mike OShea]

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 4:36:02 PM UTC-6, Mike OShea wrote:
>
> Selling my Blue Rivendell Sam Hillborne, 55 cm. In excellent condition. 
> Purchased from Rivendell 2015, it has 733 miles. Used only once in last 
> year hence reason for selling. Stock build (no pedals) except changed 
> handlebar to a drop bar (Technonics). WTB Saddle. Original Albatros cockpit 
> included (minus cables). Also included with sale, front and rear Nitto 
> Racks. (cost over $300.00) The only thing that needs attention is my poorly 
> taped drop bars and grips. Bike has minor scrapes and scratches,. Bike 
> never crashed or dropped. Selling for less than half price. $1750.00, plus 
> $125.00 shipping lower 48. Will use Bike Flights. Paypal preferred. Located 
> in Bozeman, Montana.
>
> See link for more pics:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/0Jvp12s2CnuurO3y1
>
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: Bill's 57cm Legolas build thread

[Kieran J]

I'll pile on to say that is a beauty, Bill. As usual, your spotless and 
drool-worthy build doesn't hinder things. Enjoy!

KJ


On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 7:44:55 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> I'll post build photos here on my new Legolas.  Here's the frame, sitting 
> on Grant's 'desk'. I picked it up yesterday.
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> That's a shop-copy of the forthcoming catalog on the table top there.  All 
> us Hail Mary participants will receive one.  I don't know if it will really 
> be that big, or if it's like a 'proof'.  I've looked it over but have not 
> memorized it.  There's some cool stuff in the catalog.  
>
>
> Anyway, my Legolas is a stock 57, with a 2-degree top tube slope.  It has 
> a threadless steerer, and a color-matched custom Nobilette stem.  The color 
> I went for is called "amethyst smoke".  I was going for the greyish purple 
> of some leaves, succulent plants, and some of the rocks I see on Mount 
> Tam.  The build is going to be a light 1x10 cross racing kind of build.  
> The target weight is 19.5lbs complete with nothing dumb on it.  
>
>
> Weight starters:
>
>
> Frame with King headset cups pressed in:  1989g
>
> Fork with crown race, uncut steerer: 917g
>
> Nobilette custom stem (90 deg, 105mm): 189g
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Bill's 57cm Legolas build thread

[Philip Williamson]

This is a beautiful bike, Bill. The Legolas is one of my all-time favorite 
Rivendell bikes. 
I appreciate you pointing out the difference between a cyclocross bike and 
an all-rounder. I once asked Ira Ryan if a cyclocross bike was a good 
do-all bike for most people, expecting him to be enthusiastic about it, but 
he flatly said, "No. A cyclocross bike is a race machine." I was like, "Oh. 
That makes sense." Stuck with me. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA


On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 8:28:07 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The Legolas name is owned by the family of the author of Lord of the 
> Rings.  They don't allow Rivendell to promote bikes with names taken from 
> LotR.  That's part of the reason you don't see Legolas, Bombadil or 
> Quickbeam anywhere prominent in Riv communication.  
>
> This bike was not replaced in the Riv lineup.  The Legolas is a pure 
> cyclocross racing bike.  There is no cyclocross racing bike in the normal 
> Rivendell lineup.  I think of this bike as being Mark A's bike.  Mark A is 
> a cyclocross racer, and this is his bike, in my mind.  Mark was really 
> happy that I got one, and that I'm going to use it for stripped down short 
> fast dirt rides, like a cyclocross race.  It could be a gravel racer as 
> well, but it's a race bike.  It is not an all rounder.  It is not a country 
> bike.  It is not a touring bike.  It's a racing bike.  
>
> Bill
>
> On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 8:10:53 AM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>>
>> Gosh that’s nice. I’m unfamiliar with the history of why Legolas was 
>> discontinued, and what Grant replaced it with. It “seems” like a 
>> level-tubed lighter weight Sam ... or perhaps a beefier/wider forked 
>> Roadini. 
>>
>> In any case, I’m enlightened and jealous! 
>>
>> Tom
>
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[RBW] Re: FS(probably) 50cm Rivendell Cheviot - $2000 shipped

[Anastasia Chase]

Hi there!

I've been looking for a 50cm Cheviot for a while now.  What state are you 
located in?  Maybe I can save you the trouble of packing it up for shipping.

:)

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 9:56:03 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Starting it at $2000
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/33731902494/in/dateposted-public/
>
> I'd rather not ship it with the basket since it takes up so much room but 
> I suppose you can have it.
>
> The rack is a modified VO one and has strut for a light
>
> Nitto Pearl 9 stem
> North Road bars
> 3x8 Sugino crankset
> Shimano Sora FD
> Shimano Altus RD
> Soma GR tires I think
> Velocity hubs, Atlas rims
> Seat not included or will be a B67.
>
> Pedals are some sort of silver platforms, not the MKS shown
>
> Price is shipped. Make an offer.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: BMC Road vs Roadini

[ted]

Congrats, I expect your going to be very happy. There are a lot of beautiful 
details on the Roadini frames (love the chainstay shaping, the stay ends at the 
rear drop outs, the ball socket seat lug, the filed fork ends, etc etc etc), 
and of course it will ride like a riv which in my experience has always been a 
very good thing.

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Re: [RBW] Re: BMC Road vs Roadini

[Bill Eberle in Columbus, Ohio]

And 10 years from now you likely won't regret getting the Roadini.

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Re: [RBW] Re: BMC Road vs Roadini

[tc]

Gotcha, Ted, thanks so much for the descriptive info.  I ordered a 
Roadini.  Supporting Riv, and less stem and seat post showing, plus what I 
take to be a more refined frame sold me.  I have no doubt that the BMC 
could be made to work; but, I felt better after talking with Riv that a 
Roadini would be the ticket for me personally.  10 years ago the decision 
might be different.

Tom

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[RBW] Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Jacob]

Beautiful! I wonder if you could take some video of it emerging from the 
shadows into the daylight?
I’m greedy for more. Congratulations!

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Re: [RBW] Re: BMC Road vs Roadini

[ted]

Regarding the BMC road Tom writes "... better for the more flexible Gumby 
types"
I don't think that is accurate. My BMC is much more aggressive/gumbyish 
than my wife's Roadini, but that is largely because that is what I was 
going for. I've got a -17deg 13cm stem on my BMC with 7.5mm of spacers 
under it. That puts my bars ~3in below the saddle and gives the reach I 
like (originally I tried a 12cm stem and I prefer the 13). This is on a 
frame that is a size smaller than I initially thought I would buy. If I 
wanted a more relaxed position going up a size or two, using some spacers, 
and selecting a -6deg stem would have done that. I'm pretty sure you can 
set up a BMC road with a similar position to the one you would set up on a 
Roadini.

I think the real discriminators are stem style (threadless vs quill), and 
aesthetics (e.g. lugs vs tig, tt slope, paint etc). They are both great 
bikes, size either to get the position you want and you won't go far wrong. 


On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 2:51:39 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> Called Riv.  They say there's a def difference in the ride of the Roadini 
> vs Sam.  If you're looking for road-only, and you have another gravel or 
> singletrack bike, and don't need to haul a lot of weight, Roadini is worth 
> it.
>
> I fantasize about long tours with gobs of stuff.  It will likely never 
> happen; but, if it does, that's what Atlanti are for.
>
> What I DO do often is just get out and ride 15 to 35 mi, without anything 
> but water, extra tube, and minimal tools.  Roadini.  Or SimpleOne :)
>
> Sounds like BMC bikes are very nice, and you get a lot for the $$, but 
> more aggressive in stance and therefore better for the more flexible 
> "Gumby" types among us.  I like light and responsive, but only if it's 
> comfortable.  
>
> Tom
>
> On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I'm interested in this comparison myself, as I've looked with interest at 
>> the BMC Road.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Deacon Patrick]

Me too, Chris. I was shocked by the difference. It was in sunlight when my wife 
brought it home yesterday and I brought it in, but it was late afternoon, so 
the sun went down soon after. I was stunned to see how dark it looked. I had to 
wait till this morning to see if my eyes or brain were playing tricks on me. 
Nope. It really is that stunning. In the photos, I compared the realitive 
contrast between the pin striping and the headbadge to get some idea of 
calibration of light change (if that makes sense).

Thanks, Phil!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Whoa!   I expected a subtle difference.  That looks like two different 
frames!!  





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[RBW] Re: BMC Road vs Roadini

[ted]

Tom,

She said something like oh they are so different. I'm not sure I'll get a 
response from her that will satisfy your interest. She does describe both 
as seeming light and responsive. In lieu a more extensive response from her 
I will offer that:
The Roadini has a 34/48 crank from RBW and drop bars (nitto dream I think), 
and compass 32mm tires. The Hilborne has a typical RBW crank (24/36/46 I 
think), albatross bars, and until a day or two ago 40mm fatty rumpkin tires 
(now it has 38mm compass tires). I suspect that the differences in the way 
she experiences the two bikes stems far more from the bars and the tires 
than the frames (keeping in mind of course that the Roadini probably 
wouldn't fit 38mm tires).
This spring we have been doing training rides sponsored by a local club as 
prep for the "cinderella classic" tomorrow. When she started doing those 
she was riding the Roadini. She had some problems with upper back and neck 
which were the limiting factors for how long she felt she could ride. At my 
suggestion she tried riding the Sam instead, which went well, and that will 
be the bike she rides for the event tomorrow. In riding with her I haven't 
noticed her being faster or slower on either bike.

hope some of that is some help, though I fear it may not be
ted


On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 12:10:59 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> Ted, it would be great to hear how your wife compares the Roadini and 
> Hillborne.
>
> Tom
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 5:33:54 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:
>>
>> My wife has a Roadini and a Hillborne. I have a BMC Road (orange with 
>> flat fork crown) and a Toyo built 650b AHH. All but the Hillborne are set 
>> up as road bikes with drop bars. Down tube shifters on the Roadini and AHH, 
>> brifters on the the BMC Road
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Thanks Tom,

I think that was the cherry red from the Waterford list.  I was expecting
it to be darker, but I like the way it turned out.

I'm sure the Riv folks would be happy to look up my order for the color if
you are interested in getting one too!

--Patrick, I use Kojaks in the winter to have a little more flat resistance
and Grand Bois Cypres otherwise.

I definitely like the GB ride quality better.

Toshi


On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 4:26 PM tc  wrote:

> Toshi, what a great shade of red!  I was thinking of red for my next build
> - care to share what the name/code of that red is?
>
> I also recall  a nice red on one of the garage sale Roscos last year, but
> they took it down before I could save the pic and inquire about that
> shade.  But I like your shade of red better :)
>
>
> Tom
>
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:37:11 AM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
>> I weighed my Roadeo out of curiosity and it is 22 lbs as shown in this
>> picture, but without the wrap under the saddle.  I suppose if you used a
>> double crank and got a lighter seat, it might be close to 20 lbs, but that
>> was not my goal for this bike.  I like using the Roadeo for long rides with
>> fair weather--riding 200 miles or under, so comfort and low gearing is more
>> important than weight to me.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/8443093499/in/album-72157632686324800/
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>>
>
>>>
>>> On 02/02/2018 04:51 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>
>>> This is just too funny. I guess most of us have violated the leave well
>>> enough alone rule now and again, but ha! This takes the cake. Poor little
>>> systems engineer. Was it his very last bike event ever?
>>>
>>>
>>> I think not.  But I do believe he learned a lesson about leaving well
>>> enough alone.   He did get it all reassembled eventually, and the event was
>>> laid out so that the full 80 mile distance was made up of several 20-ish
>>> and 30-ish loops all originating from the central starting point, so he did
>>> get 40 or 50 in and had a good time riding.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 1:52:27 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:


 One time I talked a guy from work, a systems engineer, into joining me
 at the Mathews County "Tour de Chesapeake."  This was his very first ever
 bike event.  The night before, he decided to completely take his rear
 derailleur apart in the hotel room, including removing the pulleys.  In the
 process, he lost some parts, took him half the night to find where they
 ended up.  So as everyone else is taking off on the ride next morning,
 there he is trying to reassemble a rear derailleur with his bike laid out
 on the grass in front of the school.


 Steve Palincsar
>>> Alexandria, Virginia
>>> USA
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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Philip Williamson]

Wow! I really like that. 
What a great looking bike. Best Rivendell headbadge, best dropouts. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 6:56:35 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> See it first here ... 
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/hunqabeam-quickapillar-frame-and-paint
>
> I’m working to build it up. I have a grey plaid Nigel Smythe saddlebag on 
> the way, and in a few weeks will get the grey backabike bags, but I expect 
> I’ll hit the trails with Shadowfax before that.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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Re: [RBW] Re: BMC Road vs Roadini

[tc]

Called Riv.  They say there's a def difference in the ride of the Roadini 
vs Sam.  If you're looking for road-only, and you have another gravel or 
singletrack bike, and don't need to haul a lot of weight, Roadini is worth 
it.

I fantasize about long tours with gobs of stuff.  It will likely never 
happen; but, if it does, that's what Atlanti are for.

What I DO do often is just get out and ride 15 to 35 mi, without anything 
but water, extra tube, and minimal tools.  Roadini.  Or SimpleOne :)

Sounds like BMC bikes are very nice, and you get a lot for the $$, but more 
aggressive in stance and therefore better for the more flexible "Gumby" 
types among us.  I like light and responsive, but only if it's 
comfortable.  

Tom

On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'm interested in this comparison myself, as I've looked with interest at 
> the BMC Road.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: XS SACKVILLE SADDLESACK OLIVE

[Marc Irwin]

sold!

On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 3:59:44 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Used but you won't know it.  It's in excellent condition.   Comes with a 
> bonusn"Just Ride" patch attached.  (Not sewn, but attached with Shoe Goo).
> $40 shipped CONUS via USPS Priority.  PayPal does not work for me, but 
> Google Wallet is free and works just fine.
>
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>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] FS: XS SACKVILLE SADDLESACK OLIVE

[Marc Irwin]

Used but you won't know it.  It's in excellent condition.   Comes with a 
bonusn"Just Ride" patch attached.  (Not sewn, but attached with Shoe Goo).
$40 shipped CONUS via USPS Priority.  PayPal does not work for me, but 
Google Wallet is free and works just fine.

Marc



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Re: [RBW] Re: BMC Road vs Roadini

[Patrick Moore]

I'm interested in this comparison myself, as I've looked with interest at
the BMC Road.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 1:10 PM, tc  wrote:

> Ted, it would be great to hear how your wife compares the Roadini and
> Hillborne.
>
> Tom
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 5:33:54 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:
>>
>> My wife has a Roadini and a Hillborne. I have a BMC Road (orange with
>> flat fork crown) and a Toyo built 650b AHH. All but the Hillborne are set
>> up as road bikes with drop bars. Down tube shifters on the Roadini and AHH,
>> brifters on the the BMC Road
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Patrick Moore]

Yeah!

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Jim M.  wrote:

> Great looking Legolas! But you could shave off a little more weight if you
> did like P Moore and Dremel'ed off the rack eyelets.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: I think I'm going to throw up

[Will]

Why not have it repaired and wrap the heat damaged paint area with 3M 
reflective tape? The tape looks decent and adds something worthwhile to the 
frame. 

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 3:06:13 PM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Tuesday afternoon I put my Rambouillet in the work stand to check 
> everything over before the inaugural ride of the neighborhood coffee shop 
> group ride and I noticed my rear brake caliper moving way too much when I 
> stopped the rear wheel. I thought that my mounting bolt was loose.
>
> Upon closer examination I realized the tubular bridge between the stays 
> has completely broken its brazing and is free to rotate when the back brake 
> is applied. Not a little bit, a lot.
>
> Scientific analysis couldn't determine a worse day of the year to be 
> looking for frame repair/repaint or get a new one. I know the paint alone 
> is going to be big if I have the original finish replicated. 
>
> I'm just sick about it.
>
> Andy Cheatham 
> Pittsburgh
>

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[RBW] Re: I think I'm going to throw up

[LBleriot]

It's definitely worth fixing.  I was heart broken when my first Ram was 
smooshed by a carless driver with me aboard.  I'm on my second orange Ram.  
I'd have the brake bridge repaired and come up with some funky solution to 
the repaint of the area.  Think of it as a war wound and wear it with pride.

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 4:06:13 PM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Tuesday afternoon I put my Rambouillet in the work stand to check 
> everything over before the inaugural ride of the neighborhood coffee shop 
> group ride and I noticed my rear brake caliper moving way too much when I 
> stopped the rear wheel. I thought that my mounting bolt was loose.
>
> Upon closer examination I realized the tubular bridge between the stays 
> has completely broken its brazing and is free to rotate when the back brake 
> is applied. Not a little bit, a lot.
>
> Scientific analysis couldn't determine a worse day of the year to be 
> looking for frame repair/repaint or get a new one. I know the paint alone 
> is going to be big if I have the original finish replicated. 
>
> I'm just sick about it.
>
> Andy Cheatham 
> Pittsburgh
>

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[RBW] Re: BMC Road vs Roadini

[tc]

Ted, it would be great to hear how your wife compares the Roadini and 
Hillborne.

Tom

On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 5:33:54 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:
>
> My wife has a Roadini and a Hillborne. I have a BMC Road (orange with flat 
> fork crown) and a Toyo built 650b AHH. All but the Hillborne are set up as 
> road bikes with drop bars. Down tube shifters on the Roadini and AHH, 
> brifters on the the BMC Road
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Blue Saddlesack - Medium - $185 shipped

[Belopsky]

Looks great pics to those interested. Email off list

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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[in Dallas nick]

That is such a beautiful color you may inspire a whole herd of Shadowfaxs.




Paul in Dallas






On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 8:02 AM -0500, "in Dallas nick"  
wrote:










Oh, I do prefer the books. 


They are among my favorites.


They are due for a reread soon.




Paul in Dallas






On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:24 PM -0500, "in Dallas nick"  
wrote:















That is a beautiful color or should I say colors. 




Very nice indeed! 




I rewatch the Ring trilogy once a year.Safe pedaling on that beauty. 




Paul in Dallas 




















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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Bill Lindsay]

APPROVE of the color-shift.  APPROVE twice, in fact.  

BL

On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 11:20:57 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> New photos added to the post, showing Shadowfax as “silver by day.” It is 
> really striking in person the shift. 
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/hunqabeam-quickapillar-frame-and-paint/ 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Bill Lindsay]

That is a fact.  Dremel is a weight savings tool.  I did cut off the 
seatpost to 2.5" of sunk depth and that saved me 22g.  I celebrated the 52g 
of chain I got to cut off, thanks to my 1x drivetrain and SHORT 
chainstays.  The steertube weight reduction was 49g.  

Maybe I'll do some skids to lighten up the tires.  :)

Bill

On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 11:19:15 AM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>
> Great looking Legolas! But you could shave off a little more weight if you 
> did like P Moore and Dremel'ed off the rack eyelets.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
>
>
> On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 11:11:52 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>
>> On January 30th I asserted that it should be straightforward to build a 
>> sub-20 pound, off-road ready Legolas.  Here it is:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> It's confirmed at 19.3lb, saddle and pedals included.  All it needs is 
>> handlebar tape and a water bottle cage.  
>>
>>
>> Bill Lindsay 
>>
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 7:15:15 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> RJM is right that anybody endeavoring to build the lightest possible 
>>> bike won’t choose a steel frame. That said, there are still plenty of 
>>> people who want a steel frame AND want it to weigh under 20 pounds.   
>>>
>>> A sub 20 pound off-road ready Legolas should be straightforward. A sub 
>>> 19 pound Roadeo with nothing dumb on it should also be straightforward. You 
>>> just need to decide to do it, or not. Rackless, fenderless and lightless 
>>> makes it much easier. 
>>>
>>> Contemplating your 26 pound road bike and wishing it was <20 pounds is a 
>>> little more complicated and costly:   
>>>
>>> Take it completely apart 
>>> Weigh every single thing 
>>> Make sure the sum of the weights makes sense 
>>> Eliminate stuff and replace parts with lighter choices until the sum is 
>>> where you want it to be 
>>> Put it back together 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay 
>>> El Cerrito Ca
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] I think I'm going to throw up

[Joe Bunik]

Hi Andy!

Man, I am sorry to read that-- I know how much you love that bike, and
recall it well (I know
exactly "the neighborhood coffee shop group ride" you speak of! Are…
John, Robbie… still around?)

Like others have suggest, have it repaired and it will inevitably be
better and more loved than ever. Or just add disc tabs ;-P ha!!!

Best
Joe Bunik
that guy who moved to
Walnut Creek, CA

On 4/12/18, ascpgh  wrote:
> Tuesday afternoon I put my Rambouillet in the work stand to check
> everything over before the inaugural ride of the neighborhood coffee shop
> group ride and I noticed my rear brake caliper moving way too much when I
> stopped the rear wheel. I thought that my mounting bolt was loose.
>
> Upon closer examination I realized the tubular bridge between the stays has
>
> completely broken its brazing and is free to rotate when the back brake is
> applied. Not a little bit, a lot.
>
> Scientific analysis couldn't determine a worse day of the year to be
> looking for frame repair/repaint or get a new one. I know the paint alone
> is going to be big if I have the original finish replicated.
>
> I'm just sick about it.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Deacon Patrick]

New photos added to the post, showing Shadowfax as “silver by day.” It is 
really striking in person the shift.
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/hunqabeam-quickapillar-frame-and-paint/

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: I think I'm going to throw up

[Bill Lindsay]

It is a huge bummer to break something on a nice steel bike, but be happy 
that it's fixable and that it's worth fixing.  I love the idea of taking 
the opporunity to add braze ons.  I just wish it happened in the beginning 
of a Pittsburgh winter so you could take your time.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 1:06:13 PM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Tuesday afternoon I put my Rambouillet in the work stand to check 
> everything over before the inaugural ride of the neighborhood coffee shop 
> group ride and I noticed my rear brake caliper moving way too much when I 
> stopped the rear wheel. I thought that my mounting bolt was loose.
>
> Upon closer examination I realized the tubular bridge between the stays 
> has completely broken its brazing and is free to rotate when the back brake 
> is applied. Not a little bit, a lot.
>
> Scientific analysis couldn't determine a worse day of the year to be 
> looking for frame repair/repaint or get a new one. I know the paint alone 
> is going to be big if I have the original finish replicated. 
>
> I'm just sick about it.
>
> Andy Cheatham 
> Pittsburgh
>

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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Jim M.]

Great looking Legolas! But you could shave off a little more weight if you 
did like P Moore and Dremel'ed off the rack eyelets.

jim m
walnut creek, ca


On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 11:11:52 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> On January 30th I asserted that it should be straightforward to build a 
> sub-20 pound, off-road ready Legolas.  Here it is:
>
>
> 
>
> It's confirmed at 19.3lb, saddle and pedals included.  All it needs is 
> handlebar tape and a water bottle cage.  
>
>
> Bill Lindsay 
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 7:15:15 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> RJM is right that anybody endeavoring to build the lightest possible bike 
>> won’t choose a steel frame. That said, there are still plenty of people who 
>> want a steel frame AND want it to weigh under 20 pounds.   
>>
>> A sub 20 pound off-road ready Legolas should be straightforward. A sub 19 
>> pound Roadeo with nothing dumb on it should also be straightforward. You 
>> just need to decide to do it, or not. Rackless, fenderless and lightless 
>> makes it much easier. 
>>
>> Contemplating your 26 pound road bike and wishing it was <20 pounds is a 
>> little more complicated and costly:   
>>
>> Take it completely apart 
>> Weigh every single thing 
>> Make sure the sum of the weights makes sense 
>> Eliminate stuff and replace parts with lighter choices until the sum is 
>> where you want it to be 
>> Put it back together 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay 
>> El Cerrito Ca
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bill's 57cm Legolas build thread

[Bill Lindsay]

I have it built enough to weigh it and ride it around the block.  It's 
confirmed at 19.3 pounds.  The only stuff to be added are bar tape and a 
bottle cage:





The build bits that have been added are a Dura Ace 10sp rear der + indexed 
barcon shifter.  A SRAM 1091 chain.  Paul Minimoto brakes, upgraded to 
metal brakepad holders and koolstop pads.  SRAM carbon brakelevers.  My 
gram-counting spreadsheet has me at 8785g total, which is 19.35 pounds.  
You always add a tiny bit of mass, greasing threads and such, but I still 
hope to be at 19.5 when it's totally done.  32mm road tires will have it 
under 19lbs.  


Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA





On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 7:59:49 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> Last night's build progress.  The first thing I wanted to do was get 
> enough bits on to confirm where to cut the steerer.  I installed:
>
> Wheels Manufacturing MUSA Bottom Bracket: 108g
> SRAM Force 1 crankset 172.5mm: 609g
> XTR Pedals: 310g
> HED Ardennes wheelset
> Steilacoom EL tires
> Challenge latex tubes
> Dura Ace 12-27 10sp cassette
> Paul Skewers
> Wheelset total: 2833g
> Compass Maes Parallel extralight handlebar: 289g
> Ultegra seatpost: 212g (uncut)
> Selle Italia SLR saddle: 142g
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 7:44:55 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'll post build photos here on my new Legolas.  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: I think I'm going to throw up

[Deacon Patrick]

Och! Andy! How oft have we all experienced ... “only a hazy recollection of 
some vague sound that could have been...”? You will find the gift in this, 
somewhere, but oh my! What frustrating wrapping! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Bill's 57cm Legolas build thread

[phil k]

wowzers looks great! 


On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 10:59:49 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> 
> Last night's build progress.  The first thing I wanted to do was get 
> enough bits on to confirm where to cut the steerer.  I installed:
>
> Wheels Manufacturing MUSA Bottom Bracket: 108g
> SRAM Force 1 crankset 172.5mm: 609g
> XTR Pedals: 310g
> HED Ardennes wheelset
> Steilacoom EL tires
> Challenge latex tubes
> Dura Ace 12-27 10sp cassette
> Paul Skewers
> Wheelset total: 2833g
> Compass Maes Parallel extralight handlebar: 289g
> Ultegra seatpost: 212g (uncut)
> Selle Italia SLR saddle: 142g
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 7:44:55 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'll post build photos here on my new Legolas.  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Bill Lindsay]

On January 30th I asserted that it should be straightforward to build a 
sub-20 pound, off-road ready Legolas.  Here it is:



It's confirmed at 19.3lb, saddle and pedals included.  All it needs is 
handlebar tape and a water bottle cage.  


Bill Lindsay 

El Cerrito, CA


On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 7:15:15 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> RJM is right that anybody endeavoring to build the lightest possible bike 
> won’t choose a steel frame. That said, there are still plenty of people who 
> want a steel frame AND want it to weigh under 20 pounds.   
>
> A sub 20 pound off-road ready Legolas should be straightforward. A sub 19 
> pound Roadeo with nothing dumb on it should also be straightforward. You 
> just need to decide to do it, or not. Rackless, fenderless and lightless 
> makes it much easier. 
>
> Contemplating your 26 pound road bike and wishing it was <20 pounds is a 
> little more complicated and costly:   
>
> Take it completely apart 
> Weigh every single thing 
> Make sure the sum of the weights makes sense 
> Eliminate stuff and replace parts with lighter choices until the sum is 
> where you want it to be 
> Put it back together 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: I think I'm going to throw up

[Kieran J]

Oh no! Well that's good info on my end - pretty much puts my interest in 
relocating the bridges to bed.

Do you mean you spoke with Jeff about ordering a frameset? I've hemmed and 
hawed about calling him myself, especially following rumours he was closing 
his queue.

KJ


On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 4:44:07 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Kieran,
>
> It's clear in the failed mode that the stay walls were drilled as sockets 
> for the bridge, so relocating it would would be more of a chore than if its 
> ends had been mitered and the stay walls left intact. 
>
> Even if I opened the rear clearance, I'd have to contend with the fork 
> clearance. I replaced the dual pivot side pulls with Paul Racers to 
> optimize clearance for Stampede Pass ELs under the hammered Honjos, a 
> combination I have really enjoyed. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 10:17:16 PM UTC-4, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> Even though I feel your pain (it does suck for sure!), I had a chuckle at 
>> this. I almost wish this would happen to me so I had a strong-arm reason to 
>> address a few issues that have stacked up with my orange Boo-Yay.
>>
>> I'd move the two bridges and gain a bit of rear tire clearance. Moving 
>> the brake bridge and chainstay bridges up/forward a little would match the 
>> fork tire clearance, so I could run proper 35s and fenders. I would also 
>> take the opportunity to repair the small dent in the TT and the mildly 
>> mangled seat cluster that was there when I bought the frame. I'd also 
>> install mid-fork bosses and then repaint a colour of utmost awesomeness. 
>> Some days I like the creamsicle - others, not so much. 
>>
>> I know how much you love your Ram Andy - hope you get it well again soon!
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 1:06:13 PM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>>>
>>> Tuesday afternoon I put my Rambouillet in the work stand to check 
>>> everything over before the inaugural ride of the neighborhood coffee shop 
>>> group ride and I noticed my rear brake caliper moving way too much when I 
>>> stopped the rear wheel. I thought that my mounting bolt was loose.
>>>
>>> Upon closer examination I realized the tubular bridge between the stays 
>>> has completely broken its brazing and is free to rotate when the back brake 
>>> is applied. Not a little bit, a lot.
>>>
>>> Scientific analysis couldn't determine a worse day of the year to be 
>>> looking for frame repair/repaint or get a new one. I know the paint alone 
>>> is going to be big if I have the original finish replicated. 
>>>
>>> I'm just sick about it.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham 
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: For trade or sale: Rivendell Frank Jones Sr 53cm

[Belopsky]

$1400 shipped for frame/fork/hs

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Clem Smith Jr L - frame/fork/hs

[Belopsky]

Some knicks and things https://photos.app.goo.gl/duJqoOEwOAEZOJS23

On Friday, April 13, 2018 at 1:35:13 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
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> parting this. Need money and room for stuff.
>
> Frame/fork/hs - $700 shipped
>
> other parts I'll sell after frame/fork/hs sells
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[RBW] FS: 52cm Clem Smith Jr L - frame/fork/hs

[Belopsky]

parting this. Need money and room for stuff.

Frame/fork/hs - $700 shipped

other parts I'll sell after frame/fork/hs sells

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Patrick Moore]

Well worth reading. I find The Hobbit delightful, and have read it through
many times. TLOTR is a children's tale that grew up and, to some extent,
grew out of its genre clothing; it's essentially an ancient epic in the
form of a fantasy novel, but (thank God!) written by someone with very deep
roots indeed in ancient Western epic. So I find that much of it drags,
these sections saved by the author's descriptive imagination and his
language. So, I skim, and do so without embarrassment. Am currently
skimming through it again, for the 50th time or so. I've got the trilogy on
Kindle, as also The Hobbit.

The movies were, unusual for Hollywood (look at the Narnia travesties) kept
close to the books and well done, but the books are better.

Patrick Moore, who has read the Narnia series even more times (starting
when my father began to read them, just published, to us children circa age
5, 4, 2, and -- well, Peter wasn't born yet).

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Coal Bee Rye Anne <
lionsrugbyalu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> [...]
> Regarding LOTR... I'm a bit ashamed to admit I have not read the trilogy.
> I've read the Hobbit several times and always intended to complete the
> trilogy but simply never made it a priority for no particular reason.  That
> will soon change since I've finally bought the set (the hardcover copies
> Riv was selling last year) and they are slowly moving up on the to-do
> list.  I always wanted but hesitated to buy myself copies since most I've
> seen anytime the thought occurred while at store had the film covers vs.
> the illustrated copies Riv had and I strongly prefer illustrated for my own
> book collection.  I was very pleased to see Riv selling them when I was
> placing an order for other items and added to the cart.
>
> I personally enjoyed the films but never felt the need to purchase the
> dvds for regular viewing.  Last year I did have my own Hobbit and LOTR
> movie marathon while my wife was out of town for a few days, however.  At
> the time I hadn't re-watched the LOTR films since initial release and had
> not yet seen the Hobbit so I watched them all in order over the better part
> of a week and borrowed from the local library.  Obviously, I could have
> also borrowed the books at any time but always thought I'd just buy them
> eventually.
>
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[RBW] Re: rear racks and long chainstays

[Ron Mc]

if small is the operative word, ask around on this forum whether anyone has 
a Sackville Large trunk bag they'd give up

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[RBW] Re: Pics of 61 Roadini in Blue

[Ron Mc]

I saw a grey one last weekend, and it looks really sharp

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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Well done!  looking forward to seeing future pics built up and out in the 
wild.

Regarding LOTR... I'm a bit ashamed to admit I have not read the trilogy.  
I've read the Hobbit several times and always intended to complete the 
trilogy but simply never made it a priority for no particular reason.  That 
will soon change since I've finally bought the set (the hardcover copies 
Riv was selling last year) and they are slowly moving up on the to-do 
list.  I always wanted but hesitated to buy myself copies since most I've 
seen anytime the thought occurred while at store had the film covers vs. 
the illustrated copies Riv had and I strongly prefer illustrated for my own 
book collection.  I was very pleased to see Riv selling them when I was 
placing an order for other items and added to the cart.

I personally enjoyed the films but never felt the need to purchase the dvds 
for regular viewing.  Last year I did have my own Hobbit and LOTR movie 
marathon while my wife was out of town for a few days, however.  At the 
time I hadn't re-watched the LOTR films since initial release and had not 
yet seen the Hobbit so I watched them all in order over the better part of 
a week and borrowed from the local library.  Obviously, I could have also 
borrowed the books at any time but always thought I'd just buy them 
eventually.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ

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> See it first here ... 
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/hunqabeam-quickapillar-frame-and-paint
>
> I’m working to build it up. I have a grey plaid Nigel Smythe saddlebag on 
> the way, and in a few weeks will get the grey backabike bags, but I expect 
> I’ll hit the trails with Shadowfax before that.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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Re: [RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Patrick Moore]

Toshi: A bit late to the party, but very nice Roadeo.

How do you like the Kojaks? And why Kojaks rather than a Compass tire? I've
used Kojaks on 3 bikes, and for a "non-premium" tire that resists thorns,
they're pretty good indeed. But I'd think you'd want a premium tire for
such a nice bike.


> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:37:11 AM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>>
>> I weighed my Roadeo out of curiosity and it is 22 lbs as shown in this
>> picture, but without the wrap under the saddle.  I suppose if you used a
>> double crank and got a lighter seat, it might be close to 20 lbs, but that
>> was not my goal for this bike.  I like using the Roadeo for long rides with
>> fair weather--riding 200 miles or under, so comfort and low gearing is more
>> important than weight to me.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/8443093499/in/alb
>> um-72157632686324800/
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Brett Callahan]

What an incredible finish. Congratulations. 

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 6:56:35 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> See it first here ... 
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/hunqabeam-quickapillar-frame-and-paint
>
> I’m working to build it up. I have a grey plaid Nigel Smythe saddlebag on 
> the way, and in a few weeks will get the grey backabike bags, but I expect 
> I’ll hit the trails with Shadowfax before that.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: rear racks and long chainstays

[Tom Wyland]

That's the nice thing about the Nitto R-14 Rack as a saddlebag support.  
You can rotate (and shorten/lengthen) the rear stays to get it in the right 
place.  It doesn't work very well with panniers, though, which limits its 
flexibility.

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[RBW] Re: Pics of 61 Roadini in Blue

[Kellie]

take a look at my post "ROADINi" there's some photos there.

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 5:02:00 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> Does anyone have pic's of a 61 Roadini in blue they could share?
>
> Tom
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[RBW] FS Protovelo/mystery bike 57cm

[BenG]

Hi Joe. Along the tube (a slight sloper) I see 25"/63.5cm center to center.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[tc]

Toshi, what a great shade of red!  I was thinking of red for my next build 
- care to share what the name/code of that red is?

I also recall  a nice red on one of the garage sale Roscos last year, but 
they took it down before I could save the pic and inquire about that 
shade.  But I like your shade of red better :)


Tom

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:37:11 AM UTC-5, ttoshi wrote:
>
> I weighed my Roadeo out of curiosity and it is 22 lbs as shown in this 
> picture, but without the wrap under the saddle.  I suppose if you used a 
> double crank and got a lighter seat, it might be close to 20 lbs, but that 
> was not my goal for this bike.  I like using the Roadeo for long rides with 
> fair weather--riding 200 miles or under, so comfort and low gearing is more 
> important than weight to me.
>
> Toshi
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/8443093499/in/album-72157632686324800/
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 02/02/2018 04:51 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>> This is just too funny. I guess most of us have violated the leave well 
>> enough alone rule now and again, but ha! This takes the cake. Poor little 
>> systems engineer. Was it his very last bike event ever?
>>
>>
>> I think not.  But I do believe he learned a lesson about leaving well 
>> enough alone.   He did get it all reassembled eventually, and the event was 
>> laid out so that the full 80 mile distance was made up of several 20-ish 
>> and 30-ish loops all originating from the central starting point, so he did 
>> get 40 or 50 in and had a good time riding.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 1:52:27 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> One time I talked a guy from work, a systems engineer, into joining me 
>>> at the Mathews County "Tour de Chesapeake."  This was his very first ever 
>>> bike event.  The night before, he decided to completely take his rear 
>>> derailleur apart in the hotel room, including removing the pulleys.  In the 
>>> process, he lost some parts, took him half the night to find where they 
>>> ended up.  So as everyone else is taking off on the ride next morning, 
>>> there he is trying to reassemble a rear derailleur with his bike laid out 
>>> on the grass in front of the school.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Palincsar
>> Alexandria, Virginia 
>> USA
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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[tc]

Very, very nice, Patrick!  Really like the silver lug edge trim against 
that perfect gray/silver main color.  I think you might just hover a few 
inches off the ground as you ride that steed.

Tom
>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[in Dallas nick]

Oh, I do prefer the books. 


They are among my favorites.


They are due for a reread soon.




Paul in Dallas






On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:24 PM -0500, "in Dallas nick"  
wrote:















That is a beautiful color or should I say colors. 




Very nice indeed! 




I rewatch the Ring trilogy once a year.Safe pedaling on that beauty. 




Paul in Dallas 















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Re: [RBW] Re: Rounded Tektro R559 allen nut - how long is it (for ordering a replacement)?

[Tim Gavin]

Yes, that recessed brake nut is a standard part.  Your LBS should have
spares on hand for cheap.  A rear brake uses the shorter size, the front
brake uses the longer size.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 7:16 AM, blakcloud  wrote:

> I don't know the length but what I have done was gone to LBS and bought a
> few sizes just to keep on hand. You never know if you need longer for
> adding fenders or center point rear rack etc. They were really inexpensive,
> somewhere around a dollar or so.
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[RBW] Re: Rounded Tektro R559 allen nut - how long is it (for ordering a replacement)?

[blakcloud]

I don't know the length but what I have done was gone to LBS and bought a 
few sizes just to keep on hand. You never know if you need longer for 
adding fenders or center point rear rack etc. They were really inexpensive, 
somewhere around a dollar or so. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Conway Bennett]

That's sharp.  I don't like cream headtubes because they look too precious. But 
that mono paint with the lug outline is like jeans with a sport coat.  I'm put 
this in my fantasy file.  

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Re: [RBW] I think I'm going to throw up

[ascpgh]

Thanks Steve (and everyone else who recognized the feeling and sympathized 
with my untimely frame failure), 

You're right about my Ram being the first generation orange pearlescent 
with cream highlights. Same as I rode on the GAP from Cumberland, MD at the 
2012 Riv Rally East (I recall your had your cream Kogswell). 

Rivendell, to their unparalleled credit had Joe Bell refinish it after a 
right dropout replacement a long time ago. It would be incomprehensible for 
them to be accountable to any degree of responsibility after the years of 
my use and the places I've been on that bike. 

Before CycleArt was absorbed by HIA and moved to Little Rock, I got a 
colloquial  estimate from Greg on the iBOB list of $1100-1200 to replicate 
the OEM paint job the Rambouillet had on introduction. That's been a while 
now and represents a significant seed I may plant, I had a very nice 
conversation with Jeff Lyons yesterday. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 4:12:15 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 04/12/2018 04:06 PM, ascpgh wrote: 
> > Tuesday afternoon I put my Rambouillet in the work stand to check 
> > everything over before the inaugural ride of the neighborhood coffee 
> > shop group ride and I noticed my rear brake caliper moving way too 
> > much when I stopped the rear wheel. I thought that my mounting bolt 
> > was loose. 
> > 
> > Upon closer examination I realized the tubular bridge between the 
> > stays has completely broken its brazing and is free to rotate when the 
> > back brake is applied. Not a little bit, a lot. 
> > 
> > Scientific analysis couldn't determine a worse day of the year to be 
> > looking for frame repair/repaint or get a new one. I know the paint 
> > alone is going to be big if I have the original finish replicated. 
> > 
> > I'm just sick about it. 
> > 
> > 
>
> I deeply sympathize.  If yours is one of the 1st gen orange ones, I 
> don't think there's any way you're going to replicate the original finish. 
>
> Steve Palincsar 
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA 
>
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Re: [RBW] I think I'm going to throw up

[ascpgh]

Patrick,

I can't point to a causative event, only a hazy recollection of some vague 
sound that could have been from the rear fender as its mounting tab rotated 
a few degrees with the caliper under braking which did not register as the 
process of breaking loose. 

I've been all over the bike in the last year (almost to the day) when I 
changed the brakes to Paul Racers and replaced the fenders. If it has been 
gradual, I wasn't seeing cracks in the finish surface being telegraphed to 
the surface so I imagine that if it was festering there was some moment 
that brought the it to fruition. 

It was only when I had it in my work stand and stopped the rear wheel with 
the brake to quickly check brake cable tension for lever feel and caught 
the flop of the rear caliper which first registered in my mind as something 
to do with to a loose mounting bolt. Maybe stopping the unloaded wheel in 
the stand did it. Know way to know.

Time to mop up spilled milk, and tears. Waiting to hear from Michael at 
Maestro Frameworks whose shop is a block from the house our young friend my 
wife and I mentor lives. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 4:29:22 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Ooof! Sorry to hear that. How did that happen?
>
> I've had similar, if less momentous experiences, as when screwing in the 
> fender bolt to the newly installed threaded boss on the brake bridge on the 
> 2003 Riv, I found that I'd snugged the bolt up to the point where I'd 
> stripped out the threads (Chauncey didn't give enough depth to the boss).
>
> I don't know what color your Ram is, but I do know that modern 
> powdercoating, by someone who knows bikes, can turn out very pretty indeed.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:06 PM, ascpgh  
> wrote:
>
>> Tuesday afternoon I put my Rambouillet in the work stand to check 
>> everything over before the inaugural ride of the neighborhood coffee shop 
>> group ride and I noticed my rear brake caliper moving way too much when I 
>> stopped the rear wheel. I thought that my mounting bolt was loose.
>>
>> Upon closer examination I realized the tubular bridge between the stays 
>> has completely broken its brazing and is free to rotate when the back brake 
>> is applied. Not a little bit, a lot.
>>
>> Scientific analysis couldn't determine a worse day of the year to be 
>> looking for frame repair/repaint or get a new one. I know the paint alone 
>> is going to be big if I have the original finish replicated. 
>>
>> I'm just sick about it.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham 
>> Pittsburgh
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> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
> **
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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[jandrews]

Bravo Deacon!
Is the rear still 135mm?
What fixed hub are you planning on using ?
Jason



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[RBW] Re: I think I'm going to throw up

[ascpgh]

Kieran,

It's clear in the failed mode that the stay walls were drilled as sockets 
for the bridge, so relocating it would would be more of a chore than if its 
ends had been mitered and the stay walls left intact. 

Even if I opened the rear clearance, I'd have to contend with the fork 
clearance. I replaced the dual pivot side pulls with Paul Racers to 
optimize clearance for Stampede Pass ELs under the hammered Honjos, a 
combination I have really enjoyed. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 10:17:16 PM UTC-4, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Even though I feel your pain (it does suck for sure!), I had a chuckle at 
> this. I almost wish this would happen to me so I had a strong-arm reason to 
> address a few issues that have stacked up with my orange Boo-Yay.
>
> I'd move the two bridges and gain a bit of rear tire clearance. Moving the 
> brake bridge and chainstay bridges up/forward a little would match the fork 
> tire clearance, so I could run proper 35s and fenders. I would also take 
> the opportunity to repair the small dent in the TT and the mildly mangled 
> seat cluster that was there when I bought the frame. I'd also install 
> mid-fork bosses and then repaint a colour of utmost awesomeness. Some days 
> I like the creamsicle - others, not so much. 
>
> I know how much you love your Ram Andy - hope you get it well again soon!
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 1:06:13 PM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>>
>> Tuesday afternoon I put my Rambouillet in the work stand to check 
>> everything over before the inaugural ride of the neighborhood coffee shop 
>> group ride and I noticed my rear brake caliper moving way too much when I 
>> stopped the rear wheel. I thought that my mounting bolt was loose.
>>
>> Upon closer examination I realized the tubular bridge between the stays 
>> has completely broken its brazing and is free to rotate when the back brake 
>> is applied. Not a little bit, a lot.
>>
>> Scientific analysis couldn't determine a worse day of the year to be 
>> looking for frame repair/repaint or get a new one. I know the paint alone 
>> is going to be big if I have the original finish replicated. 
>>
>> I'm just sick about it.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham 
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, lads! Chris, there are no decals for Shadowfax. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

[John G.]

That's honestly one of the prettiest finishes I've seen. It's haunting.

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 9:56:35 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> See it first here ... 
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/hunqabeam-quickapillar-frame-and-paint
>
> I’m working to build it up. I have a grey plaid Nigel Smythe saddlebag on 
> the way, and in a few weeks will get the grey backabike bags, but I expect 
> I’ll hit the trails with Shadowfax before that.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] FS Protovelo/mystery bike 57cm

[Joe Bernard]

Hey Ben, what's the toptube measurement?

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[RBW] Re: I think I'm going to throw up

[Olof Stroh]

Sorry, sorry for that.
But ... a few years ago I had the same thing happen to my not too expensive 
Centurion and just made a dressing by putting a wooden plate on each side 
of the stays and shaping it. Can be done more or less elegant. A variety of 
beausage in my view.

your requirements may vary, though

Olof Stroh
Uppsala Sweden

Den torsdag 12 april 2018 kl. 22:06:13 UTC+2 skrev ascpgh:
>
> Tuesday afternoon I put my Rambouillet in the work stand to check 
> everything over before the inaugural ride of the neighborhood coffee shop 
> group ride and I noticed my rear brake caliper moving way too much when I 
> stopped the rear wheel. I thought that my mounting bolt was loose.
>
> Upon closer examination I realized the tubular bridge between the stays 
> has completely broken its brazing and is free to rotate when the back brake 
> is applied. Not a little bit, a lot.
>
> Scientific analysis couldn't determine a worse day of the year to be 
> looking for frame repair/repaint or get a new one. I know the paint alone 
> is going to be big if I have the original finish replicated. 
>
> I'm just sick about it.
>
> Andy Cheatham 
> Pittsburgh
>

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