Hi all. I don't post here too often. Mostly read the great Riv news and info
posted here. But I just changed my id from Will to William R. I noticed that
there is another Will. I used to be Nagomano but at one point somebody
suggested that we try to use our proper names. There was already
Here you go. Hopefully this works. In the wilds of the Maryland Shore,
Westchester Co., New York and NYC. Currently in the process of converting
to Albatross upright, bar-end set up!
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I agree the brifters were fun and cool. I had shimano sti and campy ergo on
bikes in times past. Wanted to try the sram stuff. Ultimately I decided to
go back to downtube friction via Paddy-the-Peddlers adapter. Now soon to go
on the ends of Alba's. It's all good fun. I guess I am one of those
Hi Dave. It's a Zimbale saddle bag, which I have come to realize is an Asian
(Korea?) company that basically copies Carradice. I have some remorse over that
(not the Asian part, the copying of Carradice). I take solace in the fact the
saddle bag seems to me to be their one bag that I couldn't
I'm sorry to hear you are having this experience with your Sam H. I too am a
60cm Sam owner. In fact, I've had two: first an orange single tt canti version,
and now a double tt blue side pull variant. I have never experienced any shimmy
or wobble on either. Actually, my experiencd has always
Hi John. Sounds like you have a lot of things you can try this weekend to try
to solve your issue. In addition to considering getting your alignment checked,
I would also suggest the headset too. The headset that Riv sent with my frame
went indexed steering on me in short order. I wasn't
Hi John. Do you have a smart phone by any chance? If so and if you already take
yours with you when you ride then you already have a cycle computer. I use a
app called Cyclemeter but there are many more options out there. I turn it on
when I head out on a ride, put in my bag and forget it. But
Hi all. I am planning on installing a Sugino XD2 triple crankset that Riv sells
on my Sam H. I am trying to figure out if an IRD bottom bracket with a 110mm
spindle that I have will work for this application. I went looking for the XD2
bb size on Sheldon Brown, but it wasn't listed. There are
Thanks. I knew it was in there somewhere. I guess I will start with the 110
that I have on hand. Should be fine.
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Whoa! I'll say that crack looks structural! You said that you contacted a frame
builder. But did you contact THE frambuilder? Even if you are not the original
owner, Waterford may stand behind their product and give you a more reasonable
repair cost. I realize you may be past that point. Just a
I've decided to try and see if there is any interest in my 60cm Sam. It's
one of the blue beauties that I've had for a year. Frame bought straight
from Riv. I built it up myself. It's a bit of an ecclectic build with the
vintage Suntour Mountech derailleurs, but it all works sweet. Chris King
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This is funny. Last year, right about this time, it was when Rapha had just
introduced their new shoes made out of Yak leather. I was peacefully riding my
B17'ed Sam when approached from behind by a large group of fast/racer types. As
the group sped by me, a guy on a Colnago yelled for everyone
Hey Johnny. Just as the 48 Noodles were a revelation for me, the Alba's have
been too more recently. I have the two different set ups on two different
bikes. If you can't do two bikes then I agree with having the two cockpits set
up for swapping out. It's a lot of fun switching back and forth.
Hi Michael. I'm not around my Sam right now to check for sure, but I don't
think my knees break that plane. I've got my Albas turned down a bit and even
have my shifters mounted on the bar ends, but I can't remember ever touching
any part of that setup with my knee. One thing I have noticed
A few things that I think some here might be interested in. All prices
include USPS First Class Shipping in CONUS. If you are outside that area
and are interested, please contact me off list so we can talk about
shipping costs. All inquiries welcome. PayPal only please. All items come
just as
Longboards are spoken for. Everything else is still available.
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More on the Nitto R14 top rack. It came up if the stays were cut. And they have
been to fit a smaller 650 Betty Foy. It's a 53 I think. I measured the length
and they are 31.5cm with maybe a centimeter of adjustment available. I held
them up to my 60cm Sam and no way would it fit. So get it if
Clamp on downtube shifter bosses are sold.
The two racks are still available.
-Bill
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Hi all. Taking advantage of time off during the holidays to go through my
stuff and see what I need and don't need. The following items are for sale
in the hopes of fueling various winter projects :-) All prices include
shipping in CONUS via USPS. If you are outside of that area and are
Update: the cassette and Rich built wheelset are spoken for. The other two
wheels and the crankset are still available.
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I have been using heat shrink wiring insulators for a while now with nice
results. About an inch of it at each cable end. Extending over the end about an
eighth of an inch. Nice, clean and safe.
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I don't post much but I follow everything. Glad you are up and riding again
Bob. Your island photos are terrific too!
-Bill
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This Niner RLT 9 is a cool bike no doubt. It tugs at several of my strings.
I've gone back and looked at it several times. Did it again today having
read this post. I went and looked at Bike Rumors review Bike Rumor Niner
RLT 9 Review
Just installed a new chain (kmc 9 speed) on my Soma Grand Randonneur (Riv
content: noodles, nitto stem, brooks saddle, velocity/atlas wheels, brand v
bag, newbaums, brakes all from Riv!). My question is that I want to try to run
the chain with only the factory lube. It's been said here that the
Ok thanks. I see, so it doesn't last too long, but while it does, enjoy it.
Will do :-)
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I will check the Sheldon site. I know this has been talked about. I am tryi ng
to turn over a new leaf with my chain maintenance and replacement schedule. I
just basically had to toss all of the drivetrain parts that touch the chain.
Waited too long...
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Garth: I really over paid at $14.95 a chain! I got three at that price. Plan to
change them out every 1000 miles. Now that I have the super-nice Rene Herse
crankset and also very nice SRAM 9-speed cassette. Not sure which model but it
has a solid red sleeve for the six largest cogs. Really
Thanks Ted. Now I'm going to open the can of worms! What do all of you out
there consider to be good chain lubes? I have used White Lightning
(didn't like it), Tri-Flow (like it, have some, is this a good one?), T9
(have some, not my favorite, seems to attract dirt more than the others)
-Bill
Thanks Patrick. Chain saw oil. I have some. When I do put something on this new
chain maybe I will try that first. And wipe it very well.
Only one ride on this KMC chain. It feels very nice. Shifts cleanly. I notice
no difference compared to the SRAM chains I've been using except this has that
That's funny, I did the same thing last night, right down to the salted
macadamias! Now I have a large ziplock back full of very dark chocolate in the
freezer. I read Patrick's recipe last week and tried that too. I found that
Grants recipe gave similar results but a lot more! There's a lot of
I agree! And he's building up a lot of great anticipation. How badly do we want
to see all of these new items! Also, in Daves email sent yesterday, he mentions
four bikes that Sam H. Is going away in support of: Appaloosa, Clementine
(assumed affectionate nick name for Clem Smith), Buffalo and
Bike, Book, Bow Hatchet? I've watched that video a few times. Amazing. And
Lars is certainly take a Rivish approach to archery.
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I'm with you Bill! I can't stop looking at it! The proportions with the
bullmooses look perfect. Like it will just leap off on it's own! Even though I
am 6 foot with a pbh of 88 and 78 saddle height, I think that 54 would be a
good nimble fit for me. I just want to run up, jump on and go!
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Grant had this to say in July:
"I am excited about our SILVER crank. It may, in fact, be perfect. It’ll
come on the CLEM (with CLEMMISH chainrings), and then on the APPA, and
we’ll have it available for sale, too. In the Spring. As a triple with 43 x
35 x 24 rings, and as a double with 38 x
That's awesome. I don't recall seeing that before. Get one if you can!
Bill in Westchester, NY
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Hi. I really enjoy looking at everyone's garage/spaces! Terrific, inspiring
stuff! I figure I will show my space/cave. A bit embarrassed to show this
working mess! But, you know, it's the one area in my life where I don't
have to adhere to anyone else's rules. So this is what happens! Once or
Everything about the Joe works for me so I went ahead and pulled that trigger
on a 55! If I am reading the receipt correctly (there is a 0003 on there) I got
the third one or the third 55?
I don't have any problem waiting to March to get it. The little mysteries of
the design, color and parts
Hey Patrick, I'm in the same boat as you, I'm an 87 pbh and I ordered the 55. I
don't doubt my choice though. I don't think you can go wrong either way but
I've got my reason for going with the 55. In the not too distant past I was a
big frame guy. I went with two 60cm Sams. An orange canti
Hey Chris, how did you find out how many 55's were left? Is that posted
somewhere or did you talk to Riv? Just wondering because those would be
interesting numbers to know. I wonder if Riv would/could extend quantities to,
say 20 in certain sizes if 10 sold really fast. I also wonder what would
Ah, I see, thanks David!
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I envy you folks that live within visiting range of Riv. If any one goes to
test ride that proto-Appaloosa, it would be great to hear your thoughts on it.
You could probably test Sams for size and Cheviots for the long chain stay ride
quality and get a good feel for it that way too. Any
I'm putting more stock in Rivs outdoor, natural light logshots. This looks like
bad fluorescent factory lighting and bad camera-phone. I mean look at the head
tube angle compared to the seat tube. On a frame where stated angles are 72 and
71.5. Not a great photo. Don't worry, it's going to be
Hi Andrew. Short answer is no. The only thing close to the final Joe Apploosa
that we will get in Feb/March is the 55cm Proto Appaloosa that was featured in
the Blug announcement. And that frames geo doesn't really correspond to the
final geo provided. If I were close enough to Riv HQ I think
I mean Patrick! Dang. I was thinking Dave originally mentioned the Icons.
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Hi Deacon and Patrick: what do you think of the Thunder Burts as a mixed
terrain tire on pavement to get to the dirt roads and trails? Nothing too
technical, mostly smooth packed dirt. I'm talking 5-10 miles on the road
and mixed use paths to get there though. Are they a buzzy compromise there
Yes, I meant both of you! Thanks for the feedback. I will check out the
Icons too Dave.
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Thanks for those glowing endorsements of the T-Burts. I don't intend to ride
them in the snow. No issues there. Great photos Deacon!
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Thanks Brian. I am honing in on the Thunder Burts right now. They fit within
Grants max tire width of 55mm on the Joe Appaloosa that I will be getting. I
would be very interested in Super Moto's if I thought there would be enough
room for them. It's all a bit of hand wringing at this point as I
hi Lungimsam,
Search on eBay for Paddy The Pedaller Bicycles. He makes nice, silver down tube
shifter adapters. I bought from him back in '10 for my Sam H. Worked
beautifully. I would send photos of mine and a link if I weren't out on my I
phone.
Bill in Westchester, NY
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Yes! Very nice. Digging those Conti Retro Ride tires. I wonder if those are
the 2.0" or 2.2" versions. I would be all set if it came with the latter
(or something comparable) instead of the spec'ed Kenda's that I will be
replacing immediately. But yeah... it looks great.
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Hi David and Patrick,
How about the Continental Speed King? It is a high performance, light
weight, hard pack MTB tire like the Furious Fred. It comes in 622-55, so a
little bigger than the FF, I'm looking at it as a potential tire for my up
coming Joe Appaloosa. These tires are light and fast
Hey John, I think you're onto something there. The Joe and the Sam have a lot
of similarities. I wouldn't be surprised if the tubing were the same or very
close to the Sam's. And they are being built in the same facility. But I think
the geometry will put it in its own model designation. In
Oh yes, very happy to see that butterscotch! That will be my choice! And to all
of you out there thinking about it, give in to Rivs eternal scales of decision
where on one hand there are needs and on the other reside wants!
Bill in Westchester, NY
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Great build David, and great photos, the natural lighting really shows the blue
in it's best... light. Enjoy it. Clem's growing on me too, what a sweet, Riv
bargain!
Bill in rainy Westchester, NY
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Thanks for posting these pics Patrick. This is the best look at the Choco Moose
bar yet. It looks like Grant put a lot of thought into providing a really
comfortable pocket grip area forward of the levers. I will echo the sentiment
that I am looking more and more forward to getting my hands on
Very nice bike and parts. And that crate is impressive!
Bill in Westchester, NY
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Woot! Woot! They arrived a few days early. I think that what they seem to now
be calling dark mustard looks gorgeous. Can't wait to receive my pre-ordered
58. Love how the frame pump fits snug between the two top tubes. I will be
holding on to those tires for future fendered tours. But I've got
Sounds good. I've got similar plans for orange Newbaums. And a new Brooks B17
for it too! I wonder which length cranks will come on my 58. I'm not too picky
tho, I've got 171 Herse's one one bike and 175s on the other two...
Sounds like you will get yours sooner. If you stop riding, please
Sounds good Patrick. I would get a set. Your daughter is a great artist. I hope
the final drawing won't be too far off from that. It's got Riv character and
style!
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Very nice Jonathan! Great photo's too. Just like mine, I've got a 58 too,
except for the bars of course. I don't have any racks on mine yet either. I
will have to take some photo's of mine and post for comparison. Enjoy it.
Bill in Westchester, NY
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There are many more knowing members here who can correct me if I'm wrong...
But, I'm fairly sure that none of the stock Rivs are compatible with the
Compass centerpulls. With that said, I'm sure you could have any of the
Waterford built Rivs: Hilsen, Roadeo and Atlantis (or a custom) built with
I've been experimenting with this kind of "tt-Sagan" position on my Chocomooses
as well. It works and is comfortable even though the Chocos are not as wide as
the Boscoe's. Very well designed and versatile bars all around.
Bill in Westchester, NY
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Dang but that is a COOL looking head badge! I'm still ogling over my new
Appaloosa's badge. That Roscoe is really coming along nicely though.
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Lol! You're a funny guy Bill! I got a 58 and I'm keeping everything! I love the
173s and the tires, while not currently in use, will get used. One thing we
share brother: love for the Joe Appaloosa! I'm too busy in my spare time riding
it to write more at this time. I will do some kind of
Ha! Good one Mark! I personally artisanally sharpened that pencil for the
soul purpose of using it as a pointer in that photo! Sub-optimal indeed...
When I say it locked up, I mean it became effectively a fixed gear. I could
not get it undone from that condition until I returned home and took
@ Mark Reimer: It was very clean when I took the hub apart. Besides the
white grease (which was very minimal), it was as you would expect a new hub
to look, very clean and new. There was nothing loose in there. But I do
want to open it up again and inspect the ratchet ring, maybe I missed
Hi Bill. I too have been admiring the construction of the rear hub. And the
ease of taking it apart. I had a problem though. I needed to take mine
apart because on my first ride the rear freewheel mechanism locked up. When
I took it apart and looked at the pawls I was amazed that there were six
Whoa. That's a whole different take on a freewheel. I've never had to deal
with one like that. I have an Aksium rear wheel kicking around that I don't
use. I wonder if it's the same kind of design.
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I am patiently waiting for a notice that mine has shipped. In the past it has
always been UPS. Chris: if you don't mind me asking: did you pay extra for
FedEx or is that the carrier that Riv is using these days to ship completes? Or
perhaps you are international? Just interested.
Bill in
Hi Bruce. If still available I will take the small Brand V Saddlebag. I can pay
via PayPal. Let me know.
Bill in Westchester, NY
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Ok Bruce, done. Payment and email with address sent to you. Thanks. -Bill
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I should have added that I have gun boats, nothing under 13 fits.
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Hi Bruce. I am in the market for a wald med basket with net. I'm all the way
over here on the east coast though. What do you think shipping would be? Happy
to pay up to $10 on top of the $25. Not sure if that is doable. I will
understand if you go with someone closer to home. Let me know.
Bill
I like the looks and dims of that Catalyst pedal Ron. Thanks for bringing it to
our attention. So far I love the cheapie VPs that came on my Appaloosa. These
look like a step up that I may have to try in the not-too-distant future.
Bill in Westchester, NY
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Hey Bob E, I like your Trek too. I see you have a lot of a long stem showing
there like I do. Do you experience flex like I do? My 7000 is strictly a short
distance bike so it's not a big issue. But boy can I flex that cockpit! I have
it set up as my train station bike now. Generic saddle that
Hi. I'm selling these items to clear the way for some accessories for my
Joe Appaloosa. Figured I would try here first. Prices INCLUDE shipping to
the lower 48 states.
Compass Switchback Hill tires, 650b x 48, EL version, 1 Pair, very slightly
used, $120
Schwalbe Big Ben tires, 650b x 50,
Update: Soma Cazadero tires are spoken for. Everything else is still available.
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Update: the Switchback Hills and Cazadero's are sold.
The pair of Big Bens (650b x 50) are still available.
The Soma Grand Randonneur (61cm) frame, fork and headset is still available.
-Bill
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Very nice Patrick. I like the way your Joe is evolving. I'm seeing a lot of
smart and fun touches. Zip tie-ing the saddle security to the seat post. Fun
pink tape-ing the basket to the rack. The Chocomoose bar design always struck
me as somewhat "Jonesy". Not surprised to see one show up on an
Late to the table here but this is a great thread Bob. It's nice to hear
about all of these routes in our area. It's a really diverse area with lots
of great riding. I live in Dobbs Ferry, a "rivertown" (Hudson) on the west
side of Westchester Co. I'm lucky, my house is right in between where
Hello to the group. I've been busy loving my Joe Appaloosa. Riding it a
lot, all over.
I am having a new problem with my Silver rear hub. I believe this is
totally unrelated to the locking up problem that I had early on. That
problem has disappeared with regular lube to the internal pawls and
Thanks Bill. I am going to check these things. Take it apart and check over
everything again. The seals. Maybe try an oil lighter than the bar chain
I've been using. I've got some Boeshield and 3-in-1. Both would be lighter
I think. I did take two links out of the chain. I think it improved
Well, I got home tonight and went right at it. Took the wheel off. Removed the
cassette. Took my two 5mm allens and pulled the freehub body out. Checked all
the seals and bearings. Cleaned everything dry and shiny with a nice new cloth.
Everything looks good. Found a can of Tri-flow that I
Had a nice early morning 16 mile mixed terrain ride. We had some storms last
night in the Hudson valley. The sandy soil along the Croton Acquaduct trail was
pretty soggy and fun. Things were noticeably better with the Appaloosa's drive
train this morning. Still, on the steepest paved descent I
Joe, the pedals that came on my Appaloosa are known as VP Push-N2 pedals. I
like them a lot and so bought 2 more pairs for $29 each on Amazon. They are
tough and smooth and seem serviceable. I say they seem serviceable because I
haven't had to do anything to the originals other than tighten the
I know you are talking about Riv production, Waterford frames. But I think the
way they do it is a cause and effect of their size and the lean machine that is
Riv. I really enjoyed the experience of getting on the Appaloosa pre-sale. The
savings and the service or "help" that I was giving to
Wow! That is such a beauty. I love everything about it, except it doesn't have
MY name on the top tube!
It's also interesting and fun to compare it to that orange Sam in the previous
post. Very similar. Just not with all bells and whistles. All Rivendells are
great, capable bikes, from the
Classic! Cool timeless "dire straits" look Grant. Downloaded for future use.
Thanks Dan.
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Hey Mark, I hear ya, changing my behaviors and having great rides despite the
issue. Still, I can't help seeing what I can do to eliminate it. Complicated or
just a different way of making a derailleur? I'm going to find out. Zipping
down a hill would be the worse time for the chain to get
>From time to time my hub does the catch skip when I start pedaling too. I
am starting to think that these things are all inherent to the six-pawl
design of this hub. If true, that would be a real shame because it is such
a nicely designed hub and so easy to take apart.
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Colorado is stunningly beautiful in the summer time. I was lucky enough to
spend four there. Still, the east has its own beauty. I love observing the
bugs, birds and critters on my early morning rides.
Bill in Westchester, NY
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I often wonder about these too. And Super Moto's. As it is I am running 54
Thunderburts on my Joe. A heavily used (stretched out) one on the stock build
rim measures 52.3mm and doesn't have a ton of clearance. Enough. But I am
thinking Big Ones or SMs would be tight indeed. I still wonder what
Hey Edwin. I'm very interested in the new Snoqualamie Pass Compass tires too. I
have a long all pavement ride that I am doing in October with my Appaloosa. I
may get a pair of the standard casing version as my event tire.
I have been on the Schwalbe Thunderburts since I got my Appaloosa in
I proudly own and display this catalog. Bought it from Riv several years ago.
It really is more than a catalog. Really well put together. The predecessor to
the Reader. I love the cover photo with "pineapple" Bob. Not sure who the woman
is. Bob is still a cardboard artist at Riv? Yes, I echo
I've had 54mm Thunderburts on my 58cm Appaloosa. They work really well. No
problems, great tires. I wouldn't hesitate to run the 55 Big Bens on it either.
But 60mm Super Moto's or Big Ones? I don't know... they might fit on the stand.
They are going to be really tight. But out in the field I
Yes! I will follow the development of the Roadini closely. I have most of the
parts for a road bike. Generous clearances will always be welcome. Down tube
shifter bosses? Ok! Will they have a frame only option? Probably not at first,
but eventually, I could be in.
Bill in Westchester, NY
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A few things to sell in the hopes of getting a few new things.
All prices include shipping to the 48 continental US States.
Cane Creek SR-5 Brake Levers. These show use. See detailed photos.
Functionally great. Newer hoods are a little dirty but not showing any
wear. $25
Cockpit/User
Update: Babyshoes are sold
Everything else is still available
-Bill
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I often read things in the blug, in the Riv site, and don't say anything. Don't
post. Mostly because people here share my thoughts and state it more accurately
than I can. But this one... yeah, it's why we are here. I don't even view riv
as a company that I do business with. It's more this
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