On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 11:05:36 PM UTC+2, Daniel Jackson wrote:
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> What rear mech are you using?
An old XTR on a wolf tooth road link.
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After working plenty with 10-speed systems, I've been moving more toward
friction shifting and 9- or 8-speed systems. Having said that, I set up a
flawless 11-speed transmission with the following:
- Shimano 11-speed 105 brifters
- White Industries 46-30 VBC road crank (also have 42-26 rings,
What rear mech are you using?
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Resurrecting an old thread, but I made a chance discovery that may be of
interest to the group.
One limitation of friction-shifted 10 and 11 speed bikes has been the throw
length of bar-end shifters. Some people have gotten around this problem
with judicious filing of the bar-end pods, like
I only wish this shifter could be used on pods...
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Shortly after this thread paused I broke my duraace dt 10 speed shifter. I
ended up replacing it with that diacompe 10 speed / 11 speed dt friction
shifter Justin mentioned two post prior.
Just rode a century with it on Sunday. Worked amazingly well combined with a
short cage shimano zee
Keep in mind Shimano 10 speed road and mountain have different amount of
pull. 10 speed road has the same total pull as 9 speed, so the pull for
each shift is less. 10 speed mountain (Dynasis) has significantly more
total pull, and the pull for each shift is greater.
When Shimano dynasis
Last summer at a tandem rally I chatted with a couple who had toured from
the Maine coast into the adirondack with 10 speed friction. He reported
that on balance I found it easier and more reliable than indexed shifting.
Tandems, of course, have mega long cables which can easily throw
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/shifting-freewheels-cassettes/shifters/dia-compe-ene-11s-dt-shifters.html
Plus there's these 11speed friction shifters.
-Justin
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Interesting indeed! Might be time to revisit.
Another interesting thing is that on Paul thumbing mounts Shimano 8 speed
barend shifters pull enough cable to sweep the whole cassette 8, 9, or 10 speed
with a Dynasys rear derailed. But, when mounted on the bar end pods they come
up short on the
I use a 9sp MTB triple with a small 22 front and 36 rear on my general
riding and touring bike (Specialized AWOL), and I have found times I would
have been glad to have a 40 or 42 in back on loose steep and/or very long
loaded climbs. So sorry I schlepp too much gear to suit you. I find it
And yes, I am glad to confirm that the Silver shifters pull plenty of cable
for 10 speed on a standard pull derailleur. Don't know about a Dynasys one.
I'd been planning to try it, but I think I'm gonna abandon that project now
that I have the Velo Routier.
I'll go so far as to say that 10 speed
Good call Daniel! I bet that's why. It had never occurred to me that
a narrower chain and cassette might be beneficial, but here we are. Neat!
I'm happy to leave my other bikes on 8 and 9 speed, though.
Reed
On Friday, September 16, 2016, Daniel Jackson
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Nobody ever said you would. However, the comment regarding 40T
sprockets being the domain of 1x gearing was not confined to the context
of dirt road adventure bikes.
And let's be clear: although neither you nor I are very likely to be
owners of carbon fiber racing bikes, our friends almost
I agree. You wouldn't choose a carbon fiber racing bike as the base for
building a dirt road adventure bike.
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Clayton.sf wrote:
> Just to clarify,
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> The way I read the article I it was aimed at touring bikes (example shows
> a Hunq) and
I don't know if the road Microshift rd I used was a Centos; I expect not,
because it was several years old and had no big Centos on it. But whatever
it was, it was the very best shifting rd I've ever used, and shifted 9
mismatched with Silver BESs better than the current 8 speed Dura Ace does.
My first Rivendell was a Bleriot with Ultegra groupset and shimano bar
ends. Shifting was horrible in friction mode with 10 speed cassette. Crisp
with the SIS function, though.
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My main reason for asking Clayton the question in the other thread was just
to be sure that the Silvers can actually pull enough cable to work with 10
speed. I imagine there is no problem as overall cassette width between 10
and 9 speed is negligible.
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This is fascinating - I have heard both that friction shifting 10 sp is
easier and that its harder than 9 sp. The main reason I've heard for the
former is that there is less space between gears so you're never "out" of
gear as you might be on a 9 speed.
On Friday, September 16, 2016 at
On 09/16/2016 12:32 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:
Just to clarify,
The way I read the article I it was aimed at touring bikes (example
shows a Hunq) and their appropriate gearing. My response too was aimed
at touring bikes not modern carbon race bikes. Plenty of triple
options for Rivbikes.
Yes,
I'm really close to where you are at, Philip. On my touring bike, I'm
currently running 44/28 with a 12-30, but I'm converting to a mountain rear
der so I can swap back and forth between an 11-32 and an 11-36. I'll move
the 12-30 and the road derailer over to a roadier bike.
44x11 will be
On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 5:37:24 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> On 09/15/2016 11:45 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:
> > 40t cogs are the domain of 1x gearing IMO, unless it is an academic
> exercise or you are schlepping too much much gear. 22x40 - you would likely
> be able to walk as
10 speed works fine for me.
running 40/26, 11-34 right now, its pretty sufficient. once things wear
out, gonna go 44/26 and 11-40 for extended climbing with load, while
getting more on the top end. i like the power ratchet shifting on the
silver shifters, but the plastic washer broke on me
2x10 friction here with SLX RD. I use Microshift shifters in friction mode,
I've used 8,9, and 10 speed friction. After a few shifts I get used to the
cable pull and never think about it again.
On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 2:08:41 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
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> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Clayton.sf wrote:
> I don't use friction with 10 speed. Too fiddly especially when tired. That
> is not a function of the type of friction shifter though.
>
Just a quick counterpoint: I recently bought a Velo Routier. It came stock
with
I don't use friction with 10 speed. Too fiddly especially when tired. That
is not a function of the type of friction shifter though.
For friction I use 8 speed drivetrains and for that the silvers are great.
They don't slip if treated right. I am still amazed a bike shop can't make
them
Just to clarify,
The way I read the article I it was aimed at touring bikes (example shows a
Hunq) and their appropriate gearing. My response too was aimed at touring
bikes not modern carbon race bikes. Plenty of triple options for Rivbikes.
Clayton Scott
SF, CA
On Friday, September 16,
On 09/15/2016 11:45 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:
40t cogs are the domain of 1x gearing IMO, unless it is an academic exercise or
you are schlepping too much much gear. 22x40 - you would likely be able to walk
as fast. And... why not use at triple at that point. Personally I like short
cage
Clayton,
Do you use Silvers to shift your 10 speeds?
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Just a guess on my part, but with the capability of modern materials and
manufacturing techniques chains could be made to last much longer, but it
would cost a whole lot more and there just isn't enough of a market for
that to make it worthwhile. If I were going through 20-30 chains a year, it
I have put 10s of thousands of miles on 10 speed chains and have had no issues.
I generally replace chains every 2500 miles no matter what. Saves the drive
train in the long run and chains are cheap. 10x are a female dog to friction
shift, but my indexed setup stays good for thousands of miles
Several years ago (which means likely 5 - the older I get the less relevant
time becomes) Tour magazine had as objective a test as could be done with
various chains for wear and usable chain life. For a couple of years the
article was available on the web but that no longer seems to be the
I don't know. I've just heard it from riders who are not by any means
idiots. Those asserting this spoke of better materials but, as the Turkey
Vulture man said to me earlier, they may have been comparing dura ace 10 sp
apples to $15 SRAM oranges.
As for masterlinks, let me assert here and now
On 09/15/2016 05:01 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
You can believe that I've heard others say that, but perhaps they are
wrong.
Anything is possible, of course, but is it likely that thinner sprockets
and chains would last longer than thicker ones? Or that systems that
demand close tolerances
You can believe that I've heard others say that, but perhaps they are wrong.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> On 09/15/2016 12:44 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
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>> Very interesting. What do others say about the longevity of 10 speed (or
>> for that
On 09/15/2016 12:44 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Very interesting. What do others say about the longevity of 10 speed
(or for that matter, 11 or 12 speed) systems? (This is perhaps moot,
because your system calls for friction shifting, but I've heard quite
a few say that 10 is actually more
Very interesting. What do others say about the longevity of 10 speed (or
for that matter, 11 or 12 speed) systems? (This is perhaps moot, because
your system calls for friction shifting, but I've heard quite a few say
that 10 is actually more durable than 9. Is that true?
Regarding the flat plate
Just posted up a fairly in depth explanation of Gravel & Grind's Turkey
Vulture gearing. Basically it's a gearing system in search of a wider than
commercially available gearing, with more durability and lower cost than
contemporary gearing solutions. Read on here
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