Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting

2016-04-11 Thread David Jones
on stage with him. Saw it in a solo performance of his televised ages ago. Apparently these things have been around a long time. David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com -- F

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Cross-platform Rosegarden

2016-07-25 Thread David Tisdell
I think being multi-platform would be wonderful. I tried to get an OS X port going but I am not a coder and was dependent upon other people to do the heavy lifting. I'll happily test. In my public school teaching, I try to exclusively use open source apps. It helps eliminate the class divide. I

[Rosegarden-user] Broken link on http://rosegardenmusic.com/getting/source/ page

2017-04-21 Thread David Jones
http://rosegardenmusic.com/getting/source/ The "the instructions here" link on using Subversion is broken. David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com --

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Is there a new release coming ahead?

2017-04-07 Thread David Jones
some music will help. I've got a lyric or two around here that make me think, I should send that Michael. David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com -- Check out th

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden - Yoshimi issue

2017-04-18 Thread David Tisdell
Thanks! I'll try that. On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Ted Felix <t...@tedfelix.com> wrote: > On 04/18/2017 08:51 AM, David Tisdell wrote: > > I am running Rosegarden 15.12 and Yoshimi 1.3.8.2 > > I can go into Yoshimi and set the sounds I want to use but when I hit >

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden - Yoshimi issue

2017-04-18 Thread David Tisdell
08:51:54 -0400 > David Tisdell <david.tisd...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I recently switched over to Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS and added UbuntuStudio. > > I am running Rosegarden 15.12 and Yoshimi 1.3.8.2 > > I have used Rosegarden and

Re: [Rosegarden-user] RG 17.04 Debian build - Issues with Lilypond 2.18.2

2017-09-06 Thread David Jones
wrote: > > Hi David, > > does lilypond also crash when you run it against > > % -- snip > > \version "2.18.2" > > { c' d' e' f' g' a ' b' c'' } > > % -- snip >> >> david <gn...@hawaii.rr.com> hat am 6. September 2017 um 09:34 geschri

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Convert .rg to .mid with Command Line

2019-05-26 Thread David Sicilia
was shocking... might be pointing to the necessity of some code redesign in Rosegarden :-) Contributions welcome, especially if you can delete code from the repository and still have it build :-) David On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 3:45 PM Will Godfrey wrote: > > On Wed, 22 May 2019 07:52:15 -0400 >

[Rosegarden-user] Experience With Linux and Rosegarden on a chromebook?

2019-06-03 Thread David Tisdell
Hi All, I have been using Rosegarden for many years to teach composition to middle school students. My IT department is pushing me to use something in the cloud which I really don't want to do. Our students have chromebooks and I have come across documentation on how to install Ubuntu alongside

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Convert .rg to .mid with Command Line

2019-05-21 Thread David Sicilia
Thanks, I have just opened this ticket: https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/476/ David On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 7:50 PM Ted Felix wrote: > > On 5/21/19 10:01 AM, David Sicilia wrote: > > Is there a way to use Rosegarden (or some other program) as a command &

[Rosegarden-user] Convert .rg to .mid with Command Line

2019-05-21 Thread David Sicilia
exist, is it worth requesting it from the developers? Thanks David ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Quantizing

2020-04-14 Thread David Sicilia
@devs, do the quantization algos perhaps need revisiting? Should we add a new one that behaves more aggressively in some way? On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 4:05 AM D. Michael McIntyre < rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 4/12/20 6:27 PM, Ray Klassen wrote: > > notes to do anything to it. Am

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Controlling play/stop/rewind from external DAW (Ardour)

2020-06-09 Thread David Tisdell
Hi Stefano, In the rosegarden general preferences, make sure "USe JACK Transport" is checked. In Ardour, there should be a button underneath the metronome button that says "int." If you click on that it should switch to using the jack transport. Any play control whether you use it in Rosegarden,

[Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?

2020-12-08 Thread David Tisdell
Hi All, Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest Raspberry PI? I had read that earlier versions of the PI were not fast enough for audio/multimedia creation but that the PI 4 would be a giant leap forward in this area. Thinking about giving it a whirl but don't want to

Re: [Rosegarden-user] How long have you been using Rosegarden?

2020-11-24 Thread David Tisdell
I think it has been about the same for me. Maybe a little longer. Dave On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:13 AM Patrick May wrote: > Hello, > > How long have you all been using Rosegarden? > > Myself, I've been using Rosegarden 15 years. Oh god yeahh. I've got 1594 > project files in my ~/rosegarden

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?

2020-12-09 Thread David Tisdell
that it's hard, just haven't done it in quite a while. Dave Dave On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:16 AM Ted Felix wrote: > On 12/8/20 7:43 PM, David Tisdell wrote: > > Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest > > Raspberry PI? > >I have not. Howe

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?

2020-12-09 Thread David Tisdell
That is cool On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:23 AM Will Godfrey wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 19:43:55 -0500 > David Tisdell wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > >Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest > >Raspberry PI? I had read that earlier

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?

2020-12-13 Thread David Tisdell
of course they're offensively black boxed as you would expect from >> the bastard child of a bunch of Broadcom engineers. Those things are not >> open source friendly in any way. >> >> Imho, Pis are a waste of time and money but Rosegarden doesn't present >> any special problems a

Re: [Rosegarden-user] printing repeats

2022-09-12 Thread David Legg
a 'Print Preview'. Cheers. :D On 11/09/2022 13:49, Yves Guillemot wrote: Le 10 septembre 2022 à 15H36 (+0100) David Legg a écrit : Thank you for the suggestion, but yes I did check "Use repeats when possible". I can't see this issue here. Could you, please, send an example showing t

Re: [Rosegarden-user] printing repeats

2022-09-10 Thread David Legg
Sorry; forgot to cc the list :( Thank you for the suggestion, but yes I did check "Use repeats when possible". :D On 09/09/2022 19:10, Yves Guillemot wrote: Le Fri, 9 Sep 2022 18:37:05 +0100, David Legg a écrit : Thanks for replying, Yves. You are welcome  I simply clicked on

[Rosegarden-user] printing repeats

2022-09-09 Thread David Legg
on Fedora 36. Ta, David Legg ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user

Re: [Rosegarden-user] printing repeats

2022-09-13 Thread David Legg
Thanks, Yves. When you say, 'Add room' , is the 'room' to be added just empty space, or is it an empty segment, or something else? :D On 13/09/2022 15:11, Yves Guillemot wrote: - Add room in the composition to allow the repetition of segments.

[Rosegarden-user] Printing on Fedora 38

2023-12-12 Thread David Legg
... Aha, and I have just found a new, testing, version of lilypond that seems to fix the previously reported error message: lilypond-2.25.11-1.fc38.x86_64 :D ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below

[Rosegarden-user] Printing on Fedora 38

2023-12-12 Thread David Legg
Greetings All, I just tried printing 3 empty bars from rosegarden and got the following error message: Processing `rosegarden_tmp_FxYsJP.ly' Parsing... Interpreting music... Preprocessing graphical objects... Finding the ideal number of pages... Fitting music on 1 page... Drawing systems...

Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 18.06, codename "Vesper" RELEASED

2018-06-06 Thread David W. Jones
tation: Offer spacing up to 400%. (r15266) >* Notation spacing is now saved to the .rg file. (r15269) > > Other people who contributed to Rosegarden development: > >* Stuart Prescott > > People who contributed device files to the Rosegarden Library > >* Henk

[Rosegarden-user] RGD 'device' file for Yoshimi or Zyn?

2018-06-06 Thread David W. Jones
Would make working with them much easier. When I set up a patch (one of the included ones) in Yoshimi, RG seems to set it back to YoshimI's default patch. -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9

Re: [Rosegarden-user] email is consistently rejected by sf

2018-04-18 Thread David W. Jones
den-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to > unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user Hmm, maybe your ISP's mail server is listed on spam block lists? -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.co

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden 17.12 crashes with errors when started

2018-04-17 Thread David W. Jones
On April 17, 2018 3:54:54 PM HST, Ted Felix <t...@tedfelix.com> wrote: > On 04/17/2018 04:53 AM, david wrote: > > When I start it from a terminal, I get this: > > free(): invalid pointer > > There are only 10 calls to free() in rg. The ones in JackDriver are >

Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 18.12, codename "Worcestershire" RELEASED

2018-12-13 Thread David W. Jones
On December 13, 2018 4:56:55 AM HST, Ted Felix wrote: > On 12/13/18 3:05 AM, david wrote: > > Just curious. I used the SVN line from the website, compiled, and > the > > newly-built Rosegarden reports version 19.06? > > Yes. I bump the version immediately after

Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo

2019-03-14 Thread David W. Jones
https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo > > > > Ted. > > I can be as arbitrary and idiotic as the next fellow. > Enlarge the elephant "G" a couple of font sizes and fill with pastel > green. I like that idea. Or leave it red and add pastel

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crashes :(

2019-04-10 Thread David W. Jones
? > > Sami My wife's Asus is 2014 or 2015. Booted it from a USB stick, got to see all the lovely partitions Window 10 scattered all over the drive. Xubuntu 18.04 installed over it with no problems. That wasn't Ubuntu Studio. Maybe they're behind the times? -- David W. Jones gn.

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Play/stop transport with space bar?

2019-08-14 Thread David W. Jones
ll editor is controlled via a preference setting. Don't know about the space vs ctrl+enter or record button. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail.

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Percussion Clef

2019-09-02 Thread David W. Jones
Anyone >else need this? Sounds interesting. I'd think that using 2 drum tracks would be all that's needed to separate hands and feet, yes? --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device

Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer

2019-08-08 Thread David W. Jones
size. Then we > >should be able to go with a slightly large point size for all the >controls. > >Ted. I'm planning to move to a 4K laptop. Would it be possible to use SVG fonts/graphics for layout? Or some way to set large font sizes? This whole antique "specify

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden and qsynth

2019-11-22 Thread David W. Jones
ing right at it. I see an idling fluidsynth using 1%, jackd > (which is never idling) using 2%, and an idling zynaddsubfx (3.0.3) > using 35% cpu. Hmm, that Zyn using its new GUI? > Yoshimi 1.5.6 uses 20% cpu when idling. Have never noticed Yoshi's CPU use. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawa

Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 19.12, codename "Yesterday" RELEASED

2019-12-14 Thread David W. Jones
t;> during recording. Feature #453. (r15649) >> >> = Significant Code Cleanups = >> >>* Segment Parameters box cleanup (r15562 - r15597, r15604) >>* Replace FastVector with std::vector (r15609) >>* Quantize dialog cleanup (r15611 - r15

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden and qsynth

2019-11-19 Thread David W. Jones
may lie: > > http://tedfelix.com/linux/linux-midi.html > >Ted. Hey, that guide is great. Thanks for making it! --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden and qsynth

2019-11-26 Thread David W. Jones
ring toward tackling the 4k challenge, and I will probably diddle >the GUI before the end of 2020. That would be nice since I plan to be receiving a machine with such a display capability. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingt

Re: [Rosegarden-user] LV2... Why?

2020-03-15 Thread David W. Jones
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Fuzzy Quantisation

2020-05-24 Thread David W. Jones
tes that are furthest away would get the most >adjustment. >Also, the ability to dial in the degree of correction being applied. > >Possible? Sounds fantastically useful to me, too! --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent f

Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-04 Thread David W. Jones
t;https://i.imgur.com/5im3AQH.png; >>> >>> Or ANY way to send three successive midi values >>> >> >> Hello, >> >> You have to send 3 separate MIDI messages, each with one data: >> -- MIDI CC #0 for bank MSB >> -- MIDI CC #32 for bank LSB >

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Fixed Midi Configuration Setup

2020-08-06 Thread David W. Jones
ith an UNO Midisport before that. > >Is there not a way to make midi device configurations permanent ? >This takes an awful amount of unnecessary time to reconfigure every >day. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from

Re: [Rosegarden-user] [Solved] CPU load rises when Rosegarden is idle

2020-08-06 Thread David W. Jones
den and starting to play this song the CPU load falls again >(maybe 5%) and no more xruns are generated. >  >I am using Debian 10 with a RT-kernel. Ardour and other Softwares >behave properly, so I think it is Rosegarden. I didn't see this >behaviour before the latest ALSA-Midi-Port comm

Re: [Rosegarden-user] a duo of ethicall questions

2020-08-10 Thread David W. Jones
ng from the Beatles. Fuck the Beatles! Or Metallica. They do protect their stuff. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mai

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crucial: Help needed with Rosegarden Crashing:

2020-08-11 Thread David W. Jones
at you inspired me to write the longest message I've posted >in >probably going on 10 years. > >-- >D. Michael McIntyre > > >___ >Rosegarden-user mailing list >Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to >uns

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden source make error

2020-06-19 Thread David W. Jones
>'src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/gui/application/main.cpp.o' failed >make[2]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/gui/application/main.cpp.o] > >Error 1 >CMakeFiles/Makefile2:172: recipe for target >'src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/all' failed >make[1]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/r

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Canon like midis?

2020-11-24 Thread David W. Jones
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 20.12 (Altissimo) RELEASED

2020-12-09 Thread David W. Jones
; >> and perhaps not as up to date as developer machines, can run the > >> latest > >> Rosegarden. The last few times I tried compiling from source I > >> rapidly > >> found myself in "dependency hell". Some other large Linux audio > >> applications s

Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 20.12 (Altissimo) RELEASED

2020-12-09 Thread David W. Jones
* Piotr Golonka - Roland-Fantom-678.rgd > >* Arthur Baran - Casio-PX-5S.rgd > > > > > > ___ > > Rosegarden-user mailing list > > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to > unsubscribe > >

Re: [Rosegarden-user] A small request

2021-01-22 Thread David W. Jones
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] beginners question : getting sound

2021-02-08 Thread David W. Jones
On February 8, 2021 6:35:09 PM HST, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:19:58 -1000 > david wrote: > > > On 2/8/21 1:00 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > > > On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:05:04 +0100 > > > Tom Peters wrote: > > > > > &

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Alternative hardware

2021-04-20 Thread David W. Jones
le - compile for ARM/PI 4 on your Intel? --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourcefor

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Wandering Windows

2021-08-09 Thread David W. Jones
ctually work as advertised, what can we > > really do? --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-us

Re: [Rosegarden-user] qjackctl & audio recording

2021-08-27 Thread David W. Jones
ore). All I get is an empty > *.wav file in the "Manage Audio Files" > dialog. > > What am I missing? Hmm, can't all that be set up in your RG studio? --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Improve the parameter knobs

2022-02-14 Thread David W. Jones
n they > > have something as important as volume control; I think they're just too > > small. And it would be good if double clicking would reset the knobs to > > their default position. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreef

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Improve the parameter knobs

2022-02-13 Thread David W. Jones
e, especially when they > > have something as important as volume control; I think they're just too > > small. And it would be good if double clicking would reset the knobs to > > their default position. --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Audio File Location Issue

2022-01-27 Thread David W. Jones
en/bugs/1283/ > https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/494/ > https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/495/ > >Any objections before I dig into this? The pop-up at save time is > the most annoying thing, but you really only need to configure it for

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Matrix Editor Improvements (editing multiple segments)

2022-04-19 Thread David W. Jones
for some tips about using either/both of them. ;) > > Careful what you wish for. Once people start me off on Yoshimi they sometimes > have a hard time getting me to stop :) And so far the results are wonderful! > -- > Will J Godfrey > https://will

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?

2022-06-08 Thread David W. Jones
But apparently that's now passé, and tools like Denemo do it so much better, so why bother? Do people actually "write" music anymore, or just "sequence" it or keep it as projects in their DAWs? Or am I just a dinosaur? I'll be retiring next month, so maybe I

Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 22.06 RELEASED

2022-06-08 Thread David W. Jones
ooping. (Experimental preference.) Bug #1605. > * Keyboard shortcut editor. Feature Request #412. > > = Additional Contributors = > > * Michael Stockinger (www.stockinger.org) - German Translation > * Kevin Cole - Yamaha PSR-220/230 device file >

Re: [Rosegarden-user] quantizing intelligently

2022-06-13 Thread David W. Jones
ad much luck so far - there is always an excess of rests. > > possibly i'm doing things wrong. > > if i use grid quantization though, i tend to have better results. > > anyone here use an effective system for quantization? > or do most people just use step recording to produce notatio

Re: [Rosegarden-user] OT: My (new) sig (was: Re: Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?)

2022-06-13 Thread David W. Jones
; > Supreme Court), and missing Oxford commas may lead to cannabalism (didn't > > look > > for a link to that one -- judicious googling may lead to the humorous > > examples > > (I assume none are true ;-) that involve someone getting eaten or such. > > > > -- > > A pict

Re: [Rosegarden-user] quantizing intelligently

2022-06-15 Thread David W. Jones
old notes into the new tempo but there was > something to do it and then it lined up nicely. > > Tom Breton (Tehom) Why, thank you, Tom! I didn't know that command existed at all. :) --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http:/

[Rosegarden-user] Sorry, haven't seen any email for a couple of days

2022-06-21 Thread David W. Jones
:( --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail.___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Thanks to Rosegarden developers and wondering if I'm still on list

2022-09-03 Thread David W. Jones
On September 2, 2022 11:55:27 PM HST, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 16:04:08 -1000 > david wrote: > > >So what Raspberry Pi kits do you use? What are your prices? > > > >The Raspberry Pi 400 seems good to me. I like the idea of having a > >

Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-17 Thread David W. Jones
> 'quick piece prototyping with Rosegarden and Yoshimi'... If it is interesting > for people :-) Yes, please! --- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com exploring the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Saving projects

2023-12-09 Thread David W. Jones
On December 9, 2023 12:59:55 AM HST, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 16:53:52 -1000 > david wrote: > > >On 12/8/23 01:46, Will Godfrey wrote: > >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 23:22:11 -1000 > >> david wrote: > >> > >>> On

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