Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On 06/17/2015 09:56 PM, r...@hydrophones.com and others wrote: >>> Boot from the DVD? Forget it. Boot from USB? Forget it. BIOS screen >>> to change the boot order? You must be joking! No, you have to boot >>> Windows 8, then dig deep into some obscure menu, then enable something, >>> then reboot Windows 8, then dig into some other obscure menu and blah >>> blah blah for two hours, until you FINALLY figure it out, and get Linux >>> to boot. >> >> UEFI at its worst. I've been informed by Dell, though, that they carry >> many laptops that boot and run Linux just fine. (Looking at buying one >> to replace my wife's ailing netbook, since netbooks don't seem to exist >> anymore.) >> >> Of course, Linux hardware vendors aren't necessarily any nicer. My >> wife's netbook came with Ubuntu Linux installed. We don't use Ubuntu, we >> use Debian. But there are some system settings we can't change under >> Debian because the vendor's software for changing them runs only under >> Ubuntu. > > Shuttle Computer makes Linux compatible boxen - and very nicely built ones > too! The Intel NUC boxen work well with Linux also and they are good on > power consumption and space. They even have a 5th generation i7 one. Looking for a small laptop, not a box. Apparently they don't make any laptops, although they appear to be trying to get people to make their laptops? >>> If I had faced a challenge like that on the very first day, I never >>> would have gotten anywhere with any of this. My level of dedication and >>> persistence just wasn't nearly high enough. >>> >>> Another thing that's changing is that email is almost irrelevant now, >>> and all the old haunts I grew up with have disappeared, without anything >>> really replacing them. Everybody is on Facebook now, and there's >>> nothing social about Facebook unless you're a pretty girl. >> >> Facebook is a display ad platform. Check out what the Adcontrarian has >> to say about FB. ;) > > I thought people call it "Tracebook" for a reason. At least the police > and fire brigades call it that ;-) Yup, and very useful for it, too. Burglars like it, too. [snips] >> Facebook: The most successful Russian Mafia money-laundering operation >> of all time. > > I understand it actually has close ties to an American government agency > starting with the letter N, ending with A ;-) The main big investor behind Facebook in the beginning was a Russian billionaire, much of whose money came from the Russian Mafia. NSA got into it only after it became big and successful. I'm pretty sure the Russian intelligence agency is plugged into it, too. -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On 06/17/2015 11:30 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On 06/18/2015 02:41 AM, david wrote: > >> UEFI at its worst. I've been informed by Dell, though, that they carry >> many laptops that boot and run Linux just fine. (Looking at buying one >> to replace my wife's ailing netbook, since netbooks don't seem to exist >> anymore.) > > I bought some random cheapo Dell laptop at Walmart about a year ago, and > had none of these problems. Windows 8 on both of them. Good for you! I've looked at some of them (at Walmart and CostCo and Target and Best Buy) and they're pretty much too big (in my wife's opinion). She's looking to replace a netbook, and is disappointed that the smallest laptops around are generally 11". Small laptops are not cheap unless you want to fight with Linux on a Chromebook. >> Nope. They grow up. People were saying those same things about the >> 20-somethings I work with now - and they focus and have excellent >> attention spans. > > That bunch you have now is the tail end of the transitional generation. >My daughter just graduated from high school. My son is one of those > 20-somethings. I saw a lot of differences between their respective > bunches of friends. > > I could go on and on about this. And I'm sure your parents went on and on about you at that age, too. ;) BTW, the most distractible, hyperactive, no-attention-span person I know is 63. Has been all his life. >> They're no more impatient about things than *we* were at that age. I >> remember my school teachers struggling mightily against the very same >> "no attention span, no patience" issues. ;) > > Nonsense. I first got online with a 300 baud modem, and I had to load > and save files from a cassette tape. When I moved my writing platform from a Commodore VIC-20 to the IBM PC platform, I wrote a small BASIC program on the VIC to read my stories from tape, convert them to the IBM character set, then send them over a null serial cable to the PC, where a terminal program received the text, logging it into a plain text file ... Definitely not something that anyone back then had any patience for doing unless they were geeks! -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On 06/18/2015 02:41 AM, david wrote: > UEFI at its worst. I've been informed by Dell, though, that they carry > many laptops that boot and run Linux just fine. (Looking at buying one > to replace my wife's ailing netbook, since netbooks don't seem to exist > anymore.) I bought some random cheapo Dell laptop at Walmart about a year ago, and had none of these problems. Windows 8 on both of them. > Nope. They grow up. People were saying those same things about the > 20-somethings I work with now - and they focus and have excellent > attention spans. That bunch you have now is the tail end of the transitional generation. My daughter just graduated from high school. My son is one of those 20-somethings. I saw a lot of differences between their respective bunches of friends. I could go on and on about this. > They're no more impatient about things than *we* were at that age. I > remember my school teachers struggling mightily against the very same > "no attention span, no patience" issues. ;) Nonsense. I first got online with a 300 baud modem, and I had to load and save files from a cassette tape. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
> On 06/17/2015 01:54 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: On 16/06/2015 05:12, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> > I guess we don't get those questions so much anymore, because there > are > fewer and fewer users all the time. For that matter, I'm no longer >> >> I glanced back over this comment, and realized it doesn't have the word >> "new" in it. There are fewer and fewer NEW users every day. >> >> I can think of several reasons for this, such as people gravitating >> toward tablets and smartphones, people gravitating toward browser-based >> and cloud-based solutions, and even curious new Linux users just not >> having enough interest to wade through the process of getting the damn >> thing to boot on a modern computer. >> >> The CPU in my last machine died abruptly at 3:00 in the morning, so I >> went to the only store open at that hour, Walmart, and bought a Dell >> computer off the shelf. It says a lot about how far Linux has come that >> all the hardware in a totally stock consumer grade mass market black box >> actually works with Linux, but I can't say the same for what I had to go >> through to get my USB key to boot. >> >> Boot from the DVD? Forget it. Boot from USB? Forget it. BIOS screen >> to change the boot order? You must be joking! No, you have to boot >> Windows 8, then dig deep into some obscure menu, then enable something, >> then reboot Windows 8, then dig into some other obscure menu and blah >> blah blah for two hours, until you FINALLY figure it out, and get Linux >> to boot. > > UEFI at its worst. I've been informed by Dell, though, that they carry > many laptops that boot and run Linux just fine. (Looking at buying one > to replace my wife's ailing netbook, since netbooks don't seem to exist > anymore.) > > Of course, Linux hardware vendors aren't necessarily any nicer. My > wife's netbook came with Ubuntu Linux installed. We don't use Ubuntu, we > use Debian. But there are some system settings we can't change under > Debian because the vendor's software for changing them runs only under > Ubuntu. > Shuttle Computer makes Linux compatible boxen - and very nicely built ones too! The Intel NUC boxen work well with Linux also and they are good on power consumption and space. They even have a 5th generation i7 one. >> If I had faced a challenge like that on the very first day, I never >> would have gotten anywhere with any of this. My level of dedication and >> persistence just wasn't nearly high enough. >> >> Another thing that's changing is that email is almost irrelevant now, >> and all the old haunts I grew up with have disappeared, without anything >> really replacing them. Everybody is on Facebook now, and there's >> nothing social about Facebook unless you're a pretty girl. > > Facebook is a display ad platform. Check out what the Adcontrarian has > to say about FB. ;) > I thought people call it "Tracebook" for a reason. At least the police and fire brigades call it that ;-) >> It is what it is. I don't see a bright future for any of the things I >> love and hold dear. The future is young people with a 15-second >> attention span, randomly swallowing click bait, and texting each other >> from across a table. > > Nope. They grow up. People were saying those same things about the > 20-somethings I work with now - and they focus and have excellent > attention spans. > > They're no more impatient about things than *we* were at that age. I > remember my school teachers struggling mightily against the very same > "no attention span, no patience" issues. ;) > > Of course, I'm 60 now and have gotten much more impatient since then. > >> No person born since 1994 has the attention span to read an email this >> long. > > They would if it was on Facebook. Or on one of their friend's blogs. > (I've read some of my daughter's friends blogs since way back when they > were teens. Your email is real short compared to those posts!) ;) > >> tl;dr stuff changed, like me on Facebook so we can get little Johnny >> Simpkins that new brain/computer interface so he can play candy crush >> all day without having to lift a muscle, just because > > Facebook: The most successful Russian Mafia money-laundering operation > of all time. > I understand it actually has close ties to an American government agency starting with the letter N, ending with A ;-) RAM https://www.hydrophones.com -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On 06/17/2015 01:54 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >>> On 16/06/2015 05:12, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > I guess we don't get those questions so much anymore, because there are fewer and fewer users all the time. For that matter, I'm no longer > > I glanced back over this comment, and realized it doesn't have the word > "new" in it. There are fewer and fewer NEW users every day. > > I can think of several reasons for this, such as people gravitating > toward tablets and smartphones, people gravitating toward browser-based > and cloud-based solutions, and even curious new Linux users just not > having enough interest to wade through the process of getting the damn > thing to boot on a modern computer. > > The CPU in my last machine died abruptly at 3:00 in the morning, so I > went to the only store open at that hour, Walmart, and bought a Dell > computer off the shelf. It says a lot about how far Linux has come that > all the hardware in a totally stock consumer grade mass market black box > actually works with Linux, but I can't say the same for what I had to go > through to get my USB key to boot. > > Boot from the DVD? Forget it. Boot from USB? Forget it. BIOS screen > to change the boot order? You must be joking! No, you have to boot > Windows 8, then dig deep into some obscure menu, then enable something, > then reboot Windows 8, then dig into some other obscure menu and blah > blah blah for two hours, until you FINALLY figure it out, and get Linux > to boot. UEFI at its worst. I've been informed by Dell, though, that they carry many laptops that boot and run Linux just fine. (Looking at buying one to replace my wife's ailing netbook, since netbooks don't seem to exist anymore.) Of course, Linux hardware vendors aren't necessarily any nicer. My wife's netbook came with Ubuntu Linux installed. We don't use Ubuntu, we use Debian. But there are some system settings we can't change under Debian because the vendor's software for changing them runs only under Ubuntu. > If I had faced a challenge like that on the very first day, I never > would have gotten anywhere with any of this. My level of dedication and > persistence just wasn't nearly high enough. > > Another thing that's changing is that email is almost irrelevant now, > and all the old haunts I grew up with have disappeared, without anything > really replacing them. Everybody is on Facebook now, and there's > nothing social about Facebook unless you're a pretty girl. Facebook is a display ad platform. Check out what the Adcontrarian has to say about FB. ;) > It is what it is. I don't see a bright future for any of the things I > love and hold dear. The future is young people with a 15-second > attention span, randomly swallowing click bait, and texting each other > from across a table. Nope. They grow up. People were saying those same things about the 20-somethings I work with now - and they focus and have excellent attention spans. They're no more impatient about things than *we* were at that age. I remember my school teachers struggling mightily against the very same "no attention span, no patience" issues. ;) Of course, I'm 60 now and have gotten much more impatient since then. > No person born since 1994 has the attention span to read an email this long. They would if it was on Facebook. Or on one of their friend's blogs. (I've read some of my daughter's friends blogs since way back when they were teens. Your email is real short compared to those posts!) ;) > tl;dr stuff changed, like me on Facebook so we can get little Johnny > Simpkins that new brain/computer interface so he can play candy crush > all day without having to lift a muscle, just because Facebook: The most successful Russian Mafia money-laundering operation of all time. -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On 06/16/2015 09:34 PM, r...@hydrophones.com wrote: > I may start the composition process with (other Linux) tools than > RoseGarden, but my final compositions are almost always put together in > RoseGarden with the final mix being done in Audacity. The few exceptions > are those things that I do live. > > I've also installed RoseGarden on Linux boxen my company has supplied to > media studies departments of universities and to private music schools. > The response from the teachers and students has always been very > favorable. I am certain most of those graduates continue to use > RoseGarden professionally. > > Rosegarden is definitely a core Linux media creation application. I fully > agree: "Long live RoseGarden!" I use it because it's the best sequencer-cum-sheet-music-editor around. -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
>> On 16/06/2015 05:12, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >>> I guess we don't get those questions so much anymore, because there are >>> fewer and fewer users all the time. For that matter, I'm no longer I glanced back over this comment, and realized it doesn't have the word "new" in it. There are fewer and fewer NEW users every day. I can think of several reasons for this, such as people gravitating toward tablets and smartphones, people gravitating toward browser-based and cloud-based solutions, and even curious new Linux users just not having enough interest to wade through the process of getting the damn thing to boot on a modern computer. The CPU in my last machine died abruptly at 3:00 in the morning, so I went to the only store open at that hour, Walmart, and bought a Dell computer off the shelf. It says a lot about how far Linux has come that all the hardware in a totally stock consumer grade mass market black box actually works with Linux, but I can't say the same for what I had to go through to get my USB key to boot. Boot from the DVD? Forget it. Boot from USB? Forget it. BIOS screen to change the boot order? You must be joking! No, you have to boot Windows 8, then dig deep into some obscure menu, then enable something, then reboot Windows 8, then dig into some other obscure menu and blah blah blah for two hours, until you FINALLY figure it out, and get Linux to boot. If I had faced a challenge like that on the very first day, I never would have gotten anywhere with any of this. My level of dedication and persistence just wasn't nearly high enough. Another thing that's changing is that email is almost irrelevant now, and all the old haunts I grew up with have disappeared, without anything really replacing them. Everybody is on Facebook now, and there's nothing social about Facebook unless you're a pretty girl. It is what it is. I don't see a bright future for any of the things I love and hold dear. The future is young people with a 15-second attention span, randomly swallowing click bait, and texting each other from across a table. No person born since 1994 has the attention span to read an email this long. tl;dr stuff changed, like me on Facebook so we can get little Johnny Simpkins that new brain/computer interface so he can play candy crush all day without having to lift a muscle, just because -- D. Michael McIntyre -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
I may start the composition process with (other Linux) tools than RoseGarden, but my final compositions are almost always put together in RoseGarden with the final mix being done in Audacity. The few exceptions are those things that I do live. I've also installed RoseGarden on Linux boxen my company has supplied to media studies departments of universities and to private music schools. The response from the teachers and students has always been very favorable. I am certain most of those graduates continue to use RoseGarden professionally. Rosegarden is definitely a core Linux media creation application. I fully agree: "Long live RoseGarden!" RAM -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On 06/15/2015 11:13 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Hi Michael, > > Just a quick trying-to-be-positive message here from a long-time RG user > and fan... > > On 16/06/2015 05:12, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > > ... > >> Come to think of it, not >> one thing has gotten any easier in the 10 years since I wrote Rosegarden >> Companion. If anything, it's harder now, because there are fewer >> accessible alternatives to the built-in AC97 sound everybody is stuck >> with, and there is Pulse Audio adding another layer of complication to >> everything. > > Come on, it's not *that* hard to get sound out especially if you have > DSSI (e.g. Fluidsynth) plugins installed. Starting jack will suspend > pulse-audio so really the workflow is relatively simple. I don't think > it's any easier on Windows - unless you want to have Windows General > Midi crap sound... Plus once you learn the flexibility of jack it's hard > to go back. Audio works here, only thing that still appears to be a bit difficult is to make anything default EXCEPT whatever built-in audio your system has. I've not found that easy with Windows, either, since Windows seems to assume that every program you run on it wants to use the same default sound hardware ... >> I guess we don't get those questions so much anymore, because there are >> fewer and fewer users all the time. For that matter, I'm no longer >> really a user myself. The last composition I finished was all the way >> back in 2008. > > Too bad. > I also haven't much time for music these days, still RG is my favourite > seqencer... > If really there are fewer users it's a pity but I'm not sure. I think > Kenny (who wrote on the list a while ago) is a new user now and is > making noise with RG... Also I think Will does lots of his midi + > yoshimi testing on RG... so you never know. I've watch the hoops that a Windows-using friend of mine has gone through trying to make a single MIDI device (a keyboard) work with Windows and his Delta 1010LT - even with professional help from Musicians Friend who set it all up for him. Nope, Windows audio isn't any easier. > In summary: long live RG :P Hear, hear! -- David W. Jones gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://dancingtreefrog.com -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:13:45 +0200 Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Also I think Will does lots of his midi + > yoshimi testing on RG... so you never know. Actually it's a little more than that - In the early 2000s I transferred about 60 MIDI tracks from my ailing Acorn Archimedes to my first linux computer running mandrake. Rosegarden was the only sequencer that could make a reasonable job of importing the files. Since then I've composed about double that number of full-length tunes with Rosegarden. Recently I tried out other sequencers to test ongoing development of Yoshimi, and as I said on here, I couldn't get back to Rosegarden quick enough! I was actually unable to compose *anything* on the others :( > In summary: long live RG :P > > Lorenzo. Absolutely agree! -- W J G -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
I haven't been very active on the list but i am still and avid RG user. Like all software, it has its issues but it is one of the most flexible music programs I have ever used and I appreciate that. Dave On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 9:25 AM, D. Michael McIntyre < rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 06/16/2015 05:13 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > > > Come on, it's not *that* hard to get sound out > > No, it's not, but then you want to watch a Youtube video or a movie or > something. It's just a constant mess. Maybe it's a mess on Windows > too, and it probably is. > > I'm a casual user, and computer audio is evil. > > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > > -- > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On 06/16/2015 05:13 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Come on, it's not *that* hard to get sound out No, it's not, but then you want to watch a Youtube video or a movie or something. It's just a constant mess. Maybe it's a mess on Windows too, and it probably is. I'm a casual user, and computer audio is evil. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
Hi Michael, Just a quick trying-to-be-positive message here from a long-time RG user and fan... On 16/06/2015 05:12, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: ... > Come to think of it, not > one thing has gotten any easier in the 10 years since I wrote Rosegarden > Companion. If anything, it's harder now, because there are fewer > accessible alternatives to the built-in AC97 sound everybody is stuck > with, and there is Pulse Audio adding another layer of complication to > everything. Come on, it's not *that* hard to get sound out especially if you have DSSI (e.g. Fluidsynth) plugins installed. Starting jack will suspend pulse-audio so really the workflow is relatively simple. I don't think it's any easier on Windows - unless you want to have Windows General Midi crap sound... Plus once you learn the flexibility of jack it's hard to go back. > > I guess we don't get those questions so much anymore, because there are > fewer and fewer users all the time. For that matter, I'm no longer > really a user myself. The last composition I finished was all the way > back in 2008. Too bad. I also haven't much time for music these days, still RG is my favourite seqencer... If really there are fewer users it's a pity but I'm not sure. I think Kenny (who wrote on the list a while ago) is a new user now and is making noise with RG... Also I think Will does lots of his midi + yoshimi testing on RG... so you never know. In summary: long live RG :P Lorenzo. -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On 06/15/2015 07:37 PM, Tom Breton (Tehom) wrote: > Sounds about right. Slightly before my time, but there used to be > concerns that RG would frustrate new users by not making any sound if they > hadn't configured it right, so IIUC the idea was it should try hard to > play sound if at all possible. They weren't speculative concerns, but rather an attempt to address the most common and most complicated user issue. Come to think of it, not one thing has gotten any easier in the 10 years since I wrote Rosegarden Companion. If anything, it's harder now, because there are fewer accessible alternatives to the built-in AC97 sound everybody is stuck with, and there is Pulse Audio adding another layer of complication to everything. I guess we don't get those questions so much anymore, because there are fewer and fewer users all the time. For that matter, I'm no longer really a user myself. The last composition I finished was all the way back in 2008. I have no idea what's going on in the Linux audio world anymore. I just barely managed to convince my most recent computer to even boot Linux, and if Windows 8 hadn't been such an impressively hideous pile of crap, I might have just left it there, and switched. I didn't have any luck with alternative females in my life either. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
> Ha! Got the little bugger! :) :) :) Good work finding that. > All the affected parts have an 'orphan' MIDI output in Manage MIDI > Devices. The > device they were connected to no longer exists - indeed it no longer does > in > real life! > > What happens then is they lock on to the only available one - Yoshimi. > From > here on I'm surmising that they send settings from phantom tracks. In any > case > if I set them to [no port] and resave the file, next time it loads there > is no > problem. Good to know, if it comes up again. > My guess is that this was originally done to ensure there was always > something > connected. I wonder if anyone else has been victimised by this version of > the > law of unintended consequences :o Sounds about right. Slightly before my time, but there used to be concerns that RG would frustrate new users by not making any sound if they hadn't configured it right, so IIUC the idea was it should try hard to play sound if at all possible. Tom Breton (Tehom) -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 17:37:48 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: >It's strange that rg allows two devices connected to the same port, > but you can do this directly in the Manage MIDI Devices window. Feels > like a bug, but maybe there are legitimate uses. Yes. Daisy-chaining devices has been around since MIDI began. If you spend more than about $300 on a synthesizer, chances are you're going to end up with something that attaches to just a couple of channels. A minimoog, for example, appears on one channel because it's a monosynth. Hammond organ: One channel for each manual plus a third for the bass pedals. The Manikin Memotron: six channels, each one dedicated to a single tape set. While you could buy a dozen USB interfaces or a couple of expensive 4x4s, the more realistic scenario is that you're going to chain some of the synthesizers using the THRU port, so the minimoog, the organ and the 'tron are all hooked up on the same port, but allocated to different channels, say ch.1 for the Minimoog, 2-4 for the organ and 6-12 for the 'tron. Unless you're sending a massive flood of control changes to all of them at once this usually works pretty well. Assuming you remember to disable the automatic channel allocator, of course. -- JP Morris - aka DOUG the Eagle (Dragon) -=UDIC=- j...@it-he.org Anti-walkthroughs for Deus Ex, Thief and Ultima http://www.it-he.org Project Future - A web comic http://project-future.org The DMFA radio series project http://dmfa.it-he.org d+++ e+ N+ T++ Om U1234!56!7'!S'!8!9!KAW u++ uC+++ uF+++ uG uLB uA--- nC+ nR nH+++ nP++ nI nPT nS nT wM- wC- y a(YEAR - 1976) -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On 06/14/2015 12:08 PM, Abrolag wrote: > My guess is that this was originally done to ensure there was always something > connected. There are two routines in AlsaDriver. One is called connectSomething() and the other is called setPlausibleConnection(). connectSomething() is called right after a document is loaded and it calls setPlausibleConnection(). These two try very hard to find a port for every device. This might be who's doing it. It's strange that rg allows two devices connected to the same port, but you can do this directly in the Manage MIDI Devices window. Feels like a bug, but maybe there are legitimate uses. Ted. -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 17:30:52 -0400
Ted Felix wrote:
> On 06/13/2015 11:37 AM, Abrolag wrote:
> > Hi Ted (that was quick!)
>
>Saturday morning is Rosegarden morning.
>
> > No, it's on fixed. I always use that, in fact I have that as my default
> > studio
> > for all channels.
>
>Hmmm. Is this a "Reset All Controllers" (121) message? I've found
> that in a couple of places in the code. It appears as the following
> constants:
>
>MIDI_CONTROLLER_RESET
>controllerAllControllersOff
>
> But those only appear in two places:
>
>ChannelManager::setControllers()
> - This routine isn't called for me at startup or file load.
>AlsaDriver::processEventsOut()
> - Only sent when we do a "panic" event.
>
> ...so I'm not sure where this is coming from.
>
>Unfortunately, kmidimon is useless at rg startup and file load, so
> that makes it even harder to observe this. I'll see if I can do some
> strategic RG_DEBUG-ing.
>
>In the meantime, if we can hammer out a simple test case, that would
> be a big help.
>
>Just using rg normally, I don't see anything like what you are
> describing when I use fluidsynth. fluidsynth gets the proper volume
> setting every time I launch rg or load a composition.
>
>So, if you just create a simple one bar composition with a few notes
> and an obviously non-default volume setting for that track (e.g.
> something really low like 10), you can reproduce this every time? Just
> bring down rg, relaunch, load the test composition, and the volume isn't
> correct?
Sometimes I think computers hate me :(
I tried that and everything worked perfectly :?
Tried one of my 'normal' files and that had no problems either, and another and
another...
...and... wait! Bingo set and instantly reset!
Next, I did something I should have tried a long time ago - complied a version
of Yoshimi that would ignore the reset command. Guess what? Errant file *still*
did it's little dance. So, sorry for the false info, but now what on earth
could be in the file that does this (I eventually found it in several others
too).
It can't be anything in the normal track data as these all start at the second
bar, and this wierdo happens as you *load* the file.
{snoooze}
Ha! Got the little bugger! :) :) :)
All the affected parts have an 'orphan' MIDI output in Manage MIDI Devices. The
device they were connected to no longer exists - indeed it no longer does in
real life!
What happens then is they lock on to the only available one - Yoshimi. From
here on I'm surmising that they send settings from phantom tracks. In any case
if I set them to [no port] and resave the file, next time it loads there is no
problem.
My guess is that this was originally done to ensure there was always something
connected. I wonder if anyone else has been victimised by this version of the
law of unintended consequences :o
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On 06/13/2015 11:37 AM, Abrolag wrote: > Hi Ted (that was quick!) Saturday morning is Rosegarden morning. > No, it's on fixed. I always use that, in fact I have that as my default studio > for all channels. Hmmm. Is this a "Reset All Controllers" (121) message? I've found that in a couple of places in the code. It appears as the following constants: MIDI_CONTROLLER_RESET controllerAllControllersOff But those only appear in two places: ChannelManager::setControllers() - This routine isn't called for me at startup or file load. AlsaDriver::processEventsOut() - Only sent when we do a "panic" event. ...so I'm not sure where this is coming from. Unfortunately, kmidimon is useless at rg startup and file load, so that makes it even harder to observe this. I'll see if I can do some strategic RG_DEBUG-ing. In the meantime, if we can hammer out a simple test case, that would be a big help. Just using rg normally, I don't see anything like what you are describing when I use fluidsynth. fluidsynth gets the proper volume setting every time I launch rg or load a composition. So, if you just create a simple one bar composition with a few notes and an obviously non-default volume setting for that track (e.g. something really low like 10), you can reproduce this every time? Just bring down rg, relaunch, load the test composition, and the volume isn't correct? Ted. -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:16:06 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: > On 06/13/2015 10:58 AM, Abrolag wrote: > > At startup, and when loading new files, Rosegarden sends a 'reset all' > > message. > > Is there any way to stop this? > >It looks like ChannelManager::setControllers() might be the one doing > this. Are you using the "auto" channel feature? This appears in the > "Channel" field in the Instrument Parameters box for each instrument. > If so, try setting the channel to "fixed" (for each track/instrument) > and see if that clears it up. > >If you need the auto channel feature and the above clears the problem > up, then this might be an auto channel bug. > > Ted. Hi Ted (that was quick!) No, it's on fixed. I always use that, in fact I have that as my default studio for all channels. -- W J G -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
On 06/13/2015 10:58 AM, Abrolag wrote: > At startup, and when loading new files, Rosegarden sends a 'reset all' > message. > Is there any way to stop this? It looks like ChannelManager::setControllers() might be the one doing this. Are you using the "auto" channel feature? This appears in the "Channel" field in the Instrument Parameters box for each instrument. If so, try setting the channel to "fixed" (for each track/instrument) and see if that clears it up. If you need the auto channel feature and the above clears the problem up, then this might be an auto channel bug. Ted. -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] An oddity!
At startup, and when loading new files, Rosegarden sends a 'reset all' message. Is there any way to stop this? The particular scenario that had me puzzled for a while is as follows: I have a Yoshimi file with a set of voice parameters and a Rosegarden one with a complete song project I load up Yoshimi and open its mixer panel. The instruments are there but all the volume and pan setting are the defaults. I load up Rosegarden and see all the sliders move to the positions as set by Rosegarden, but then instantly revert to the defaults! If I run exactly the same files on a different (older) architecture the setting are correct. Has the order of these setting in Rosegarden changed at some point or possibly, are they so close together that some timing issue in the machine can swap them over? My workaound at the moment is to duplicate the controls at the start of each track (I always start at bar 2 to give me some wiggle room). -- W J G -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
