Carol Ann wrote:
Thanks Mike. The pet smart site shows infrared only 150 Watts. Do you
know whether they actually sell them in 300 Watts somewhere. 300 Watts
seems like something high enough to a Gator warm.
One of the three brands had one as high as 265W. It's the brand that's
being
Thanks to every one on all the suggestions on stirring the CS.
I will check out the prices on Mini Pumps.
Come to think of it Wife has a small fountain (water running on a bowel
full of rocks) in basement. I will just try it out, all I need is some
new tubing.
Many such pumps have some sort
Jim- It's just a heat lamp base used for raising baby chicks, sold in a
feed store and also some lighting stores. It just needs to have a ceramic
threaded socket to screw a light bulb in, so it won't overheat and melt
like a plastic socket might. Mine has a metal hood, parabolic might
describe
You think that's bad? I've decided to call my car Philly Soffikal
. so I'd be more prone to waxing it. :-)
Ode
At 01:03 PM 3/14/2006 -0500, you wrote:
In a message dated 3/14/06 7:14:42 AM Central Standard Time,
odecoy...@alltel.net writes:
If he keeps eating them, he'll live up
Badminton or tennis racket...hence the sport of 'Bad Bee Minton'
And it is a sport! Those things can be really hard to hit.
They all do eventually fly low enough.
I have a propane/butane/ether starting fluid powered Beegun in
development...like a potato cannon, only shooting bird seed and a
Thanks sol for sending that link. I hadn't looked at it. I have been so
busy.
Paula
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From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: CSHerbal Healer Academy CS, was Re: CSCrohn's Disease
I hope you have
Hey V, Seems to me that sometime ago you made yourself a sauna with
these bulbs. How did that work out for you? Thanks in advance, Tom
Dear V,
I'm interested in this as well. It seems that a sauna is going to be
part of my treatment protocol, post dental revision.
Mike D.
[Mike Devour,
Jason asks:
Are these 150 watt heaters suitable for human use? ... or would one
truly need a 300 watt far infrared heater?
Two 150's side by side is going to be hard to distinguish from one 300.
grin
One question worth asking is what kind of electromagnetic field do they
generate? If I put
Forgot the picture.
http://silver-lightning.com/DSC00737.JPG
Marshall
Nice neat layout, Marshall...
LOL!
Mike (I'm a stinker) D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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sol,
After reading that report I now feel like throwing it away. The Herbal
Healer Academy makes no mention of the fact that it is a silver protein.
It's like a scam.
Paula
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From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006
In case of Bird Flu,- according to this report, elderberry extract destroys the
virus. It sounds like a good thing to have on hand for the ordinary flu as
well.
Paula
I had an inquiry from a chicken farmer in the Philippines for a CS maker
a while back. He has 20,000 birds.
What I suggested:
The Philippines are a hot place.
Mist cools things, like birds, off.
CS quality isn't a huge concern with fowl and bird farmers are rarely
rich...so..
Get an old
The way they disinfect for Anthrax is to spray warm soapy water around to
get the spores to hatch. The soap kills the hatched spoors. Germicides
will kill most viri, so does time and UV [sunlight] exposure. Bird flu
takes about 24 hours to die on it's own with no host.
Ode
How do we
I always carry a bottle of cs in the trunk of my car in case I have to
eat road-kill. Haven't had to yet.
stuff
At 07:52 PM 3/14/2006, you wrote:
I used to drive a tractor-trailer rig when I was younger, just to see the
country. Now at 71, I am doing it again part-time.
I had a very nice
Also, look into windshield washer pump..12 volts, auto supply, $15...no
need to submerge it in your CS. Nylon impeller.
Ode
At 09:43 PM 3/14/2006 -0300, you wrote:
Hi Bob.
I use a mini jet pump, works well on batches 1 Gallon and over. I use it
on my 3 gallon batches.
Google mini jet
LOL
WD 40 also frustrates mud daubers..danged mud won't stick.
But then, mud daubers sometimes make boring bees angry too.
Hey! Where's my hole? It was here an hour ago!
ode
At 08:43 PM 3/14/2006 -0500, you wrote:
They were making honeycombs out of my rafters too. I was told by clerk
Hey V, Seems to me that sometime ago you made yourself a sauna with these
bulbs. How did that work out for you? Thanks in advance, Tom
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Thanks to every one on all the suggestions on stirring the CS.
I will check out the prices on Mini Pumps.
Come to think of it Wife has a small fountain (water running on a bowel full
of rocks) in basement.
I will just try it out, all I need is some new tubing.
Bob
It would be a public service to know who the Experts are that you are citing
and for whom do they work. Such affiliations would would definitely reflect
their advocacy and alligence.
I do not believe the flu is a Hoax, anymore than the 1918 flu epidemic was a
Hoax. Anyone who reads a recent
Mike, V, et al
Thanks guys.
M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote:
One of the three brands had one as high as 265W. It's the brand that's
being discounted quite a bit, so I suspect they might be discontinuing
it. The other two brands max out at 150W.
Of course, a Google search on ceramic
Greetings,
Are these 150 watt heaters suitable for human use? ... or would one
truly need a 300 watt far infrared heater?
Thanks!
~Jason
V wrote:
This is where i got mine and they work great all mine are 150, they actually
put out Far infrared
While I believe that there may be a flu epidemic, and the usual
profiteers that take advantageI think it is just wise to guard
yourself against *any* kind of threat (I was not always wise, heh) and
so it is just good practice to research and learn what works for any
type of flu or cold. I
In that case they were likely spraying sodium hypochlorite, AKA Chlorox
or something similar for disinfecting.
Marshall
Marshalee Hallett wrote:
The birds were already DEAD! All of them. They were spraying
the empty pens...sigh...
I don`t know what they were spraying, looked
Hi Listers, I sent this article in it's entirety last night, not realizing
it was too big for the server to handle.
Mike suggested I divvy it up into 3 parts. I tried to view it on the site's
archives but the format is quite unfriendly.
Sharon
**
Avian
There is another nightmare though that might blindside humanity.
Dr. Leonard Horowitz essay The Avian Flu Fright: Politically Timed for
Global Iatrogenocide[iii] offers a whole other view of what might be going
on. Biotechnology in the service of bioterroism and biological warfare is
able to take
What is being used to prove viral existence are indirect test methods which
tell absolutely nothing.
Dr. Stefan Lanka
The use of antibiotics continues to rise globally and use by
poultry producers has risen by over 300% per bird since the 1980s. In the US
alone, over 12,000 tons of
I reaaly hate to kill the little critters, but it's them or me.
I've had limited success with WD-40, but once again here is my annual post
about my surefire wood boring bee killing routine:
Get a spray can of Goof Off. Identify live holes during the day. At dusk,
spray Goof Off in the holes.
This is a really good idea that I've been meaning to explore. Aside from the
therapeutic benefits mentioned, you may be actually killing the pathogens
with infrared light.
Daddybob
-Original Message-
From: Tad Winiecki [mailto:winie...@pacifier.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:44 PM
Hi Deb,
Yes I use one. The cost depends on the gallons per hour of the pump capacity,
but for our work the smallest is ok and will be aboutr $16.00.
Ole Bob
I have to say I didn't care for the HHA site at all. Seemed very hyped
to me, it had the same feel as many scam sites.
But that is just me.
sol
Paula Perry wrote:
sol,
After reading that report I now feel like throwing it away. The Herbal
Healer Academy makes no mention of the fact that it is
Listers,
My fee for testing is $7.50 for first sample and $5.00 for each additional
sample in the same shipment.
Ole Bob
These are made for intermittent duty. Not sure they would survive continuous
duty.
Marshall
Ode Coyote wrote:
Also, look into windshield washer pump..12 volts, auto supply, $15...no
need to submerge it in your CS. Nylon impeller.
Ode
At 09:43 PM 3/14/2006 -0300, you wrote:
Hi Bob.
This scholarly article from the LA Times challenges the idea that wild
birds or backyard poultry are to blame for avian flu epidemics and warns
that a misguided mass destruction of both could result.
As I have indicated before, get a 1 gallon aquarium kit, which has a pump and
light built into the top for about $20. Works great, and very easy to use as
a batch OR a flow through process. That is what I use to make my 55 gallon
drums of CS.
Here is a picture of the aquarium I am using. This
Hi gang,
Please, may I have your opinions/comments on the virtues and/or safety
of allergy shots? Family is using them and I'm... concerned.
Thank you,
Mike D.
(We'll make a quick round or two on this and move it to the OT list if
any more extensive discussion is needed. Thanks.)
[Mike
Forgot the picture.
http://silver-lightning.com/DSC00737.JPG
Marshall
Marshall Dudley wrote:
As I have indicated before, get a 1 gallon aquarium kit, which has a pump and
light built into the top for about $20. Works great, and very easy to use as
a batch OR a flow through process. That
Thanks for this article very interesting
Regards
Sandee
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How far should the lamp be held from the affected area. I want to try it on my
wife's wrists which have become very painful.
Marshall
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I asked:
One question worth asking is what kind of electromagnetic field do
they generate? If I put myself in a box with a bunch of these, how bad
is the bombardment?
They generate far infrared.
I'm thinking more about the 60 hz line power that's being fed through
the filaments to
Putting animal waste back into the food chain as animal feed is apparently
state of the art now. Wonder if this could have something to do with the
emergence of diseases like avian flu and mad cow...
(warning: I've edited this down so that it meets the length requirements
for this list.
Here is the unit that I use for my silver generator that makes 1 1/2 gallons an
hour of 10 ppm EIS.: Cost about $25.
http://www.petguys.com/pet-guys/-047431502860.html
Marshall
Marshall Dudley wrote:
As I have indicated before, get a 1 gallon aquarium kit, which has a pump and
light built
M. G. Devour wrote:
Jason asks:
Are these 150 watt heaters suitable for human use? ... or would one
truly need a 300 watt far infrared heater?
Two 150's side by side is going to be hard to distinguish from one 300.
grin
But is 300 watts necessary? That is a heck of a lot of power to be
Hi Mike:
Yes... I'm more comfortable going with a source product that has been
studied... the entire frequency range.
http://www.medicalnutrientsinc.com/heatlamp.html
I'm going to give this unit a test spin It's pricey, but I like the
mineral plate concept.
The top is pretty crowded, but clean.
In the picture you can see the aquarium with the silver wire (which has
since been replaced with silver plates), and the top with the pump in it,
the lab supply supplying 35 volts, and in front of the supply is a
polarity switching relay that switches the
When taking CMO one of the warnings is no caffeine, why what happens if I
forget and have a Coke.
Bob
Your nose will fall off!! ---Just kidding. Caffeine partially neutralizes the
effects of CMO. You may wait at least an hour between the two items and lose
a little effect. TJ
From: Medwith, Robert robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil
Date: 2006/03/15 Wed PM 12:18:44 EST
To: 'cs'
I have seen that warning since I took it. I did not avoid caffeine when
I took my round of CM:O a few years ago, and it worked fine anyway.
Marshall
Medwith, Robert wrote:
When taking CMO one of the warnings is no caffeine, why what happens
if I forget and have a Coke.Bob
I would think that if you drink one or two cups of coffee a day but load up
on the CMO, couldn't see it making a difference either. But then again. What
each person consumes throughout the day varies as well.
Ernie
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Hello Group,
I remember a while back that there was a quite extensive discussion of
the use of LEDs to treat cancers, particularly oral cancer. I
purchased two different LED units from V (one of our esteemed listers),
one was a 660nm array and the other was an 880nm array. One was more
Good question Al, Thanks. I have one also. What is the difference between
LED and Infrared?
Al Riley a...@domsys.com wrote: Hello Group,
I remember a while back that there was a quite extensive discussion of the
use of LEDs to treat cancers, particularly oral cancer. I
The research was done with a unit containing 670nm, 735nm and 880nm LEDs. from
this company http://www.quantumdev.com/products/led/spectralife.html Very
expensive (like $3000) but powerful unit. V's combo 660nm/880nm unit should be
able to get similar results at a fraction of the cost of the
LED stands for light emitting diode. It emits light in the visible
range. An infrared emitting diode is an IED, which are used in the end
of remotes for your tv and so forth.
Marshall
Carol Ann wrote:
Good question Al, Thanks. I have one also. What is the difference
between LED and
LED stands for light emitting diode. Infrared is part of the red spectrum of
light above 700nm. Invisible to the eye if I am not mistaken. There are LEDs
that are specifically designed to produce this wavelength which has been found
to stimulate healing and reduce inflammation.
-- Carol Ann
Hi! What is it , then, that people are getting sick and sometimes dying from in Asia and Europe? Ruth
From Ruth Strackbein
From: "starshar" stars...@comcast.netReply-To: silver-list@eskimo.comTo: "silverlist" silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: CSDate: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:56:58 -0500Hi Listers, I
Carol Ann wrote:
What OT list. It is my understanding that like the archives, its not
working.
Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net wrote:
I direct my response to this to
the OT list. Thank you for a most excellent post.
The OT list works just like the main list, only it uses silver-off-
My daughter was coming down with the flu yesterday, nausia, head ache,
weakness and so forth. A few ounces of EIS and one drop of oil of oregano
under the tongue, and after an hour nap, she woke up fine but still weak,
and this morning she is totally over it.
Marshall
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Actually you can better this price substantially at:
http://www.iherb.com/ascorbacid1.html
26.00 per 3 lbs and even less if you buy more. Shipping free on
orders over $ 40.00 to lower 48.
I am not associated with them, but do buy from them often.
Jim Wright
alltogether...@webtv.net wrote:
In a message dated 3/15/2006 1:26:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mdev...@eskimo.com writes:
Please, may I have your opinions/comments on the virtues and/or safety
of allergy shots? Family is using them and I'm... concerned.
Mike:
What do you mean by allergy shots?
Jill
Hey, if anyone out there is in the market for a great double-headed Far
Infra Red Standing Floor Lamp, I want to sell mine. For the little space I
have, it takes up too much room. Only used it once or twice, 20 minutes each
time, so I consider it wo40 minutes less than New. e-mail me privately, so
Mike, I go over my allergies after 70 + years by using 35% H2O2 according to
Dr. David Williams protocol.
3 drops in 4 ounces of water 3 times per day.
each day add one more drop.
When you reach 12 drops then add 2 drops until you have 25 drops.
Stay at 25 drop 3 times per day for one
SOooo...
You're actually REQUESTING OT on the CS list, Mike???
Gotta file this one for future use...
Chuck
I don't have a solution but I admire the problem.
On 3/15/2006 11:27:13 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote:
Hi gang,
Please, may I
https://www.petdiscounters.com/product.php?productid=1157145cat=785page=1
This is the site where I bought my IR ceramic bulb. It is made by Zoo Med,
and I looked at my bulb and it says 100 watts. I bought it over some of
the others at other sites because it claimed it was the only one that was
after the 10 minutes were up; no odor at all.
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From: Craig C Chamberlin cr...@craigcchamberlin.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: CSargyria EIS
Hi Charles,
from a run. It was turning very dark, and didn't smell
That works out to about $20 /kg
I get mine at
http://beyond-a-century.com/
at approx $16/kg
Chuck
You can't go on forever living in the shadow of world
destruction--people get bored.
On 3/15/2006 4:09:32 PM, Jim Wright (Lists) (jswli...@comcast.net)
I keep hearing this stuff. Time to look into it.
Bookmarked and appreciated.
Jim
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From: V [mailto:vzo...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:13 AM
To: Charles Sutton
Subject: ***Possible Spam*** Re: CSargyria EIS
In some places they let the meat turn
Tad's post convinced me; I just ordered two of them.
-Original Message-
From: ransley [mailto:rans...@atmc.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:57 AM
To: The Silverlist
Subject: RE: CSDegenerative disk disease, infrared lamps
This is a really good idea that I've been meaning to
Another light therapy that I have begun to experiment with is simply placing
a quartz crystal in front of a flashlight, using those rubber caps that go
on the end of round metal stool legs.
I have made one using a tungsten bulb [Mini-Mag, 2 AA size] and one using a
near-daylight appearing 3
Thank you again V.
That looks like really good stuff, and well-made for a reasonable price.
I just ordered two short 150 W lamps and reflectors: one to use and one to
loan.
Later,
Jim
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From: V [mailto:vzo...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:15 AM
Werry Kver round eyes.
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From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:26 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSWood Bees
Badminton or tennis racket...hence the sport of 'Bad Bee Minton'
And it is a sport! Those things can
I was trying to describe the older larger designs with the exposed filament.
I just ordered two 150 W heat emitters and reflectors from MOR per V's
recommendation.
Thank you for your assistance.
I like to sit nekked in front of a fireplace with hot coals, and toast my
back, but I don't have
Sort of puts the old curse, Eat and Die! in a new light, eh?
-Original Message-
From: deborah byron [mailto:laquerenci...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:39 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSbird flu
Putting animal waste back into the food chain as animal
I direct my response to this to the OT list. Thank you for a most excellent
post.
Jim
-Original Message-
From: starshar [mailto:stars...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:57 AM
To: silverlist
Subject: CS
There is another nightmare though that might blindside humanity.
Mike-
A few years back I went through the allergy testing routine. As time went on
my allergies got worse. I never took shots. I am now free of allergies.
The high spots:
First thing that showed me that allergies could be beaten was raw honey; it
works but it's not enough. That happened about
Hey Jim,
OK. I found the link and subscribed and confirmed but cannot read the
OT list. Something about being timed out. Now, fess up. Is there
some secrect password? Yes, Lenny Horowitz has written some interesting
stuff.
Remember, it's a mailing list, Carol Ann. You can only read
Damn good find, Chuck. I will use it next time. I wish you had beat
me to the punch on this one. I would have used it this time. LOL
From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com]
That works out to about $20 /kg
I get mine at
http://beyond-a-century.com/
at approx $16/kg
Thanks Tom.
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From: tom chick
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 16:06
Subject: CSL-Proline
I buy mine at Beyond A Century.com L-proline powder, 100 grams=$6.00.
L-Lysine
Jim,
What OT list. It is my understanding that like the archives, its not working.
Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net wrote: I direct my response to this to the OT
list. Thank you for a most excellent
post.
Jim
-Original Message-
From: starshar [mailto:stars...@comcast.net]
Sent:
You might want to read this article. Star of Anise, while still available at
your local grocery store is really inexpensive and makes a very tasty tea. ;)
I'm thinking homeopathic philosophy. Imagine if it amounted to something so
simple.
or National Geographic News
And this light will help kill off pathogens?...debbie
Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: LED stands for light emitting
diode. It emits light in the visible range. An infrared emitting diode is an
IED, which are used in the end of remotes for your tv and so forth. Marshall
Carol
Wouldnt it be something if it were as simple as a star fruit which drug
companies have taken and made huge profits from...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1015-02.htm
A rare herb grown in China used to flavor duck dishes and treat infants for
colic is at the center of a worldwide
Some people get substantial relief from allergies by
using MSM.
Michael
The Miracle of MSM
The Natural Solution for Pain
By Stanley W. Jacob, M.D.
Ronald M. Lawrence, M.D., Ph.D.
tom chick tomcat1...@webtv.net has sent you the following web link:
Jason, Check out this site. I bought the 222B model two years ago,and it was
$170.00 then.
http://www.ib3health.com/products/TDP/TDPLampIndex.shtml
I significantly reduce, but did not totally eliminate allergy to
juniper--junipera monosperma---by eating the flowering tops. Approach from
upwind!.
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Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:53 PM
To: 'M. G. Devour'; The Silverlist
Send a mail to silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Follow instructions to
subscribe.
It is working.
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From: Carol Ann [mailto:saffiresk...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:55 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSMOVING GOVERNMENT POPULATION
Hey Jim,
OK. I found the link and subscribed and confirmed but cannot read the OT list.
Something about being timed out. Now, fess up. Is there some secrect
password? Yes, Lenny Horowitz has written some interesting stuff.
Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net wrote: Send a mail
Thanks Mike. Cool. A test was sent which I received.
M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote:
Remember, it's a mailing list, Carol Ann. You can only read the OT list
when the list server sends you what people post. You'll get the same
thing we all see from here on out, in your e-mailbox, just
Hi M.,
Well the sauna I made was real simple. I got 4 porcelain lamp sockets fgrom the
hardware store ( about 2 bucks each) and screwed them to a board and hung the
board over my bed. then I took a couple pieces of the shiny aluminum bubble
wrap insulating material and hung one sheet on each
From what I have read about Far Infrared that you get more Far infrared output
when the temperatuer of the emmiter is lower. the higher the temp the more the
output gose out of the far infrared range. so the lower wattage elemonts are
better to use, if you need more heat jsut use more of them.
Hi M.,
I jsut tested my Infrared hetaers and they are pretty quiet. I took a small
portable tape player and turn it on without a tape in it. the picup head is a
magnetic coil so any magnetic pulsing filed will be hearld as audio. I had to
hold the tape player right up against the infrared
Hi V,
What you have assembled is really creative. If you don't mind my asking...are
you using it for any particular health reason and how is it making a
difference. Please, if you feel my question re health is intrusive, perhaps
just sharing benefits obtained from this type of Sauna would
Hi Marshall,
Yes you need that much I use 4 of the 150 watt ones and it is jsut enough. the
distance you are away from them has a lot to do with it. if you are right up
near them they get very warm but when they are 2 feet away they are very
pleasant and comfertable for long periods of time.
Hi Carol,
Well the main reasons I do it is that it helps loose weight (not that I am
much over weight) and I read it is also like doing excercise. So many minutes
of FIR exposure is equivalent to some many minutes of excercise. I dont have
any health problems I am aware of that I am treatnig.
this site has some really nice infared bulbs too did you see them? deb
Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Here is the unit that I use for
my silver generator that makes 1 1/2 gallons an
hour of 10 ppm EIS.: Cost about $25.
http://www.petguys.com/pet-guys/-047431502860.html
Marshall
this is really interesting V thanks for sharring.deb
V vzo...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Marshall,
Yes you need that much I use 4 of the 150 watt ones and it is jsut enough. the
distance you are away from them has a lot to do with it. if you are right up
near them they get very warm but when
Hi Nancy,
Thanks for your post!! WOW.
I have a similar neck problem (plus other joints too) and have such
bulbs on hand. We bought them to keep baby chicks warm and I have used
them for puppies. They are also used in piggeries so I guess they are
the same thing as you used.
I was under the
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