Re: Freezer Cooler Single Interlock Pre Action

2016-09-18 Thread Travis Mack
With only 20' storage, you have 1000 gpm. The ESFR system will be 1250 gpm so it should just be better or equal. As long as water supply can handle the extra 250 gpm then it should be good. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC "Follow" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC

Re: Freezer Cooler Single Interlock Pre Action

2016-09-18 Thread 321
Thanks Travis...great suggestion. I'll run the Calcs again and get a price on the 11.2 Dry Pendents. I'm laid out at 100 sq ft so design changes will be nil on drawings. I'm curious to see what my main and line sizes will be...I'm 4-2-4 now so it should be close. Atlantic Realty and Building, LL

RE: Freezer Cooler Single Interlock Pre Action

2016-09-18 Thread MPhelps
Most property owners and many commercial property tenants can't tell you the difference, but they are all very certain they want and need ESFR. Usually they are right. Mark at Aero 602 820-7894 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack

RE: Do gas-suppression systems in electrical rooms (for example) w/o sprinklers void the exemptions awarded to a fully-sprinklered occupancy?

2016-09-18 Thread Brad Casterline
I think duration of supply is the biggest concearn. If two tanks shoot their w*d in 5 minutes, it would take twelve tanks to last 30 minutes. On Sep 18, 2016 6:20 PM, "Scott Futrell" wrote: > Scot, > > > > The simple answer is yes. The area and construction and other exemptions > are not allowed

RE: Do gas-suppression systems in electrical rooms (for example) w/o sprinklers void the exemptions awarded to a fully-sprinklered occupancy?

2016-09-18 Thread Scott Futrell
Scot, The simple answer is yes. The area and construction and other exemptions are not allowed if rooms/areas that are required to be sprinklered for fully sprinklered buildings are not. Scott Office: (763) 425-1001 x 2 Cell: (612) 759-5556 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...

Re: Nashville

2016-09-18 Thread Ben Young
It was a good hat! Thanks to everyone who made the convention a blast, and the Sprinkler Forum gathering was excellent as always. Definitely not going to wait another six years before coming back again. Hopefully I'll see everyone again in Vegas next year. Benjamin Young On Sun, Sep 18, 2016

RE: Nashville

2016-09-18 Thread Steve Leyton
Nice hat, by the way. Steve Original message From: Charles Thurston Date: 9/18/16 3:31 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Sprinkler Subject: Re: Nashville Hello, Had a WONDERFULL time, Learned a lot, GREAT Seminars, Thank You to all the instructors who taught them. Met several of

Re: Nashville

2016-09-18 Thread Brad Casterline
I hope no one behaved themselves. Like I told an attendee/FB friend-- I would hate to see the reputation of a good Sprink tarnished by something like that. On Sep 18, 2016 5:31 PM, "Charles Thurston" wrote: > Hello, > > Had a WONDERFULL time, Learned a lot, GREAT Seminars, Thank You to >

Re: Nashville

2016-09-18 Thread Charles Thurston
Hello, Had a WONDERFULL time, Learned a lot, GREAT Seminars, Thank You to all the instructors who taught them. Met several of the folks I only knew by name from the forum. If you have never been to one I do recommend you GO to one. Wednesday, September 14, 2016, 2:07:28 PM, you wrote:

Re: Freezer Cooler Single Interlock Pre Action

2016-09-18 Thread Travis Mack, SET
You are talking Class IV to 20'. I assume double row racks, 8' aisles, non-encapsulated. That is 0.495/2000 for ceiling only sprinklers. If you max out at 100 sq ft, you are basically 50 gpm / sprinkler. If you use the 11.2 dry pendent sprinklers, you will have a starting pressure of about 2

Re: Freezer Cooler Single Interlock Pre Action

2016-09-18 Thread 321
Thanks Guys for all of the responses. This will shed some more light on this project: Four weeks ago we didn't know this project existed. At the request of the owner we took on a "Cost Plus" project management arrangement to attempt to inject some sanity into the process. The building is a Rigid

Re: Freezer Cooler Single Interlock Pre Action

2016-09-18 Thread Todd Williams
Why ESFR? What about a regular density/area using K11.2 dry pendents? The other thing you have to consider is the cost of hanging the system, the cost of detectors and wiring, the additional pipe sizing due to the 30% increase in remote area and the additional maintenance required for a DIPA sy

Re: Freezer Cooler Single Interlock Pre Action

2016-09-18 Thread Mark Phillips
Also don't forget to drop down loop back up to prevent freeze blocks. FM has a detail to follow I believe Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Sep 18, 2016 3:23 PM, Bruce Verhei wrote: That sounds taken care of. And Ron is correct. And the refrigerant type or N2 air dryer. And a game on detail

Re: Freezer Cooler Single Interlock Pre Action

2016-09-18 Thread Brad Casterline
How about a simple dry system (with an air dryer at the compressor), with the pipe basically laying on the floor (shimmed for draining), lines running down the longitudinal flue, and sprig up to a level or two of rack sprinklers? It would look like an asperagus field, but it might work! Brad On Se

Re: Freezer Cooler Single Interlock Pre Action

2016-09-18 Thread Bruce Verhei
That sounds taken care of. And Ron is correct. And the refrigerant type or N2 air dryer. And a game on detail project design and management. It is amazing that the number of all possible errors and errors you see in built systems that cause false trips approaches unity. Vic-type ftgs? Does des

Re: Freezer Cooler Single Interlock Pre Action

2016-09-18 Thread Mark Phillips
Yes Laid uni strut on top of freezer to distribute the load then rod through the freezer. Had to seal each penetration of the rod. Nut and washer on the rod. Strut was then tired into structure on either side of the unit Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Sep 18, 2016 3:03 PM, Bruce Verhei wr

Re: Freezer Cooler Single Interlock Pre Action

2016-09-18 Thread Bruce Verhei
What is the structure of the freezer? Are the racks integral to that structure, or free standing? Could you support system from racks? Best Bruce Verhei Go 'Hawks Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:13, rongreenman . wrote: > > For once we have s post where a double interlock pre

Re: Freezer Cooler Single Interlock Pre Action

2016-09-18 Thread rongreenman .
For once we have s post where a double interlock pre action is actually the proper system and our fellow forumite wants to use a single interlock. If you use a SIPA you'll have ice in your pipes before a head fuses. A DIPA WONT FLIW Wter into the piping until sprinklers are fused. On Sunday, Septe

Freezer Cooler Single Interlock Pre Action

2016-09-18 Thread 321
I have a very large Freezer/Cooler project that I am managing. My initial idea on this job has been to use a Wet Pipe System above the Freezer with ESFR Dry Pendents (Class IV in rack to 20'). Due to the exorbitant cost of the ESFR Dry Pendents I'm letting my thinking expand to possibly running