Can you swap the riser 1 check and control valve so you're tying in without
a control valve in the way (unless its a DPV above the control valve?)
If not, it isn't a huge leap to not see the control valve as a problem when
you have two in an acceptable manner -with control valves in the FD path
I believe in 13R (and other spkr codes) you'll find language requiring
protection from mechanical injury one could say makes a nail plate
requirement- we didn't' find one in the IRC.
Our AHJ was demanding nail plates that were thinker and a lot bigger per the
IPC and IMC, even tho they aren't
IF they don't store the empties inside, look at the whole of the stored
commodity and what's the % Group A?
glc
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Timothy W
Goins
Sent: Saturday, February 13,
We don't use perforated pipe hanger stuff cause the code doesn't allow it
for our work. Except in 13D, same holds true of expansion tanks, whether
they are made of 250 PSI WWP or not, the real question is - are they listed
as required by 13 or 13R?
The only wiggle room is what might become
Can't use hard pipe to make the bends
Has he tried using those elbow thingies we often put on the end of a pipe
if we want to make a bend? They're far faster and more predictable than
bending the pipe.
Otherwise, if they're trying to make an odd angle and can't use a pair of
90's to make a
Yup=-
And just plug it with a mech tee when repairs to the detection system are
completed.
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ed Vining
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:27 AM
To:
From the NFSA website:
Breaking News!
A report direct from the Home Fire Sprinkler Coalition booth at the
National Association of Home Builders Show, a segment featuring home fire
sprinklers will be aired on ABC this evening at 5:30 EST. Be sure to tune
in.
glc
Unless you're doing 13d, how often are you flowing 10 GPM to a head when a
1/2 K5.6 head flows 15 GPM at the min EHP of 7?
I can sum it up by quoting what Ken reminds me-
It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.
As others said, we know what it'll probably be-
But without a calc per #13
But his deflector distance was only 6 down from deck, wasn't it?
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Michael J.
Ricks
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:53 PM
To:
. haven't changed since original installation, and that original
documentation is available to verify these assumptions. The survey
then becomes a change order.
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:10 AM, George Church for...@ptd.net wrote:
Unless you're doing 13d, how often are you flowing 10 GPM to a head when
Spot on- and why we have prescriptive codes to apply- you did- he nneds to
understand you comply and that's it, absent clear and present danger,
contractual obligations...
glc
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
, 2010 10:51 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: mixing standard and QR spklrs in calc?
Keep in mind you won't be able to take the QR design reduction based upon
ceiling height unless all the sprinklers in your area are QR.
Ralphy
--- On Mon, 2/8/10, George Church for...@ptd.net
Or gas with spkr (PA?) backup using higher temp heads, or use concealed to
protect against mechanical injury if that's a concern in that environ.
glc
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
Jeez I feel like I should be 20 yrs older for campfire stories.
Back before there were 8 dry-pipe valves, we'd routinely tee to a pair and
then bring em back together, usually with 8 but if this was a BIG system,
then 10 wouldn't cause us to bat an eye.
As for design criteria, would have been
, flat, as if prepared for a princess and a pea.
Owner would prefer not to take .2/1500 to .6 for obvious reasons, one being
tenant fitout of a portion of an existing retail center.
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
___
Sprinklerforum mailing list
So we give this as an outline spec for architects and then bid 13d?
Tough to imagine a home large enough to be insured by FM Global
Hehe- wall post by the front door with chain and padlock, do they require a
diesel?
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
for your assistance in TELLING
THEM HOW YOU FEEL!!!
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
FROM THE PBA:
Take 5 minutes and help our cause!
PBA has filed a lawsuit in Commonwealth Court to stop implementation of the
2009 building codes, which will add $15,000 to the cost of a new home. We
have gotten extensive
in a pump suction application.
While I haven't encountered this before, it likely isn't the first time the
problem has been encountered. Any one know a remedy other than a tank (with
settling basin?) and higher pressure 2,500 GPM pump to make up for the loss
of city residual pressure?
George Church
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:32 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: sand strainer?
We've got a problem child project where
what you're looking for. They claim they can filter out sand.
Hellan is the Cadillac so the strainer could be pricey.
Regards,
James L.(Jim) Roberts, PE/SET
Fluor Corporation
100 Fluor Daniel Drive
Greenville, SC 29607
864.281.5149
George Church for...@ptd.net
Sent by: sprinklerforum-boun
...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org]on Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:07 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: sand strainer?
ASCOA paid $22k just expediting an order of em once, they must be Bentleys:)
I'll check them
Like the Supreme Court position on pornography-
I know it when I see it.
If the FDC looks safe to use, its ok.
If the picture of YOUR FDC location resembles the one in FPC, then you can't
put it there. In an application like this, absent a clear code direction
that may appear in a later post and
Specialty contractor
Iank Industry Consultants, Pgh Tank and Tower, Mumford-Bjorkman Assoc.-
There are a lot of them, ranging from contractor to consultant.
Robot vrs diver if the tank is still full, etc.
glc
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
That really doesn't give the fitters much expertise in microns, does it?
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Craig
Leadbetter
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:49 AM
To:
Sounds reasonable and prudent, Travis.
glc
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack,
SET
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:09 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: CPVC in a
What makes you think that Oakmont won't be erecting the William Brooks
Library of Fire Protection Engineering to house the collection?
I'll talk to Ed Rendell.
Glc
Ps- stay on stationary bicycles and you'll likely hang around here a little
longer :)
-Original Message-
From:
but another aspect. Listening there Mr. Muncy. More work
for you guys.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:08 AM, George Church for...@ptd.net wrote:
What makes you think that Oakmont won't be erecting the William Brooks
Library of Fire Protection Engineering to house the collection?
I'll talk to Ed Rendell
: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:51 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Mansions in the Sky (No Place for NFPA Standards)
I've got a sister in Michigan with a masters
We had some in the area that border on the ridiculous.
83 yr old man gets a call from his daughter who told him to get out of his
apt, the bldg is on fire, she heard it on the scanner. How's that for
automatic alarm- can you imagine submitting a procedure to an AHJ that
includes a tenant's
Do high-rise requirements apply to your building?
As an existing bldg, can they be waived?
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:37 AM
To:
I recall a GC supt years back noting his SOP was to have an easy to plug
location for the elevator shaft sprinklers so they could be readily
installed for the FM, removed for the elevator inspector, and left in the
manner prescribed by the latter of the two being onsite.
glc
-Original
.
What are the rest of you doing to comply?
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
___
Sprinklerforum mailing list
Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
For Technical Assistance, send
of NFPA 13?
George Church
___
Sprinklerforum mailing list
Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org
To Unsubscribe, send
This is a job for a trained and experienced professional-
And the right one is resident in your state, and she was involved in the
passage.
Terri Simmons Leyton at PROTECTION DESIGN CONSULTING
Ph: 858-751-2930 - ext. 101
-Original Message-
From:
...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Terri Leyton
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:19 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Penn Builders Assn Lawsuit
George Church - where are you?
George was in the den of the PA Builders last night. He was a very
special guest speaker at their meeting
Didn't matter on Jim's - pump and tank.
Assume air gap, since tank non-potable.
So drilled check is fine- except when water replaces what dribbled out.
As for dry vrs AF, can't use CPVC with dry; dry pend are $$$ and may not fit
in small space allotted; in 13d the unlisted bladder is $75, so
Sure that wasn't a B52's concert?
:)
(gee, who was at two last year?)
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
I'm picturing a scene from 20+ years ago with a bunch of
those giant
We include a bypass around the fire pump when supply is from a tank/pump IF
THE PUMP FEEDS HYDRANTS ON THE LOOP since the FD can use the gravity source
and boost it and make something of it. So it's not just for the sprinklers
8' AFF in the shipping office being fed by the 40' tall tank that we
On the other hand, there's a zillion SF of big boxes out there with multiple
systems covering ONE area and with 40k SF system limit for high-piled
storage, of course more than one system can cover an area.
It would only be where different criteria apply and walls pop up that you
start worrying
Or the Milwaukee butterball dating back to the 80's
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:13 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE:
Move East where its warmer and yes it IS time to go home now and Ken
will provide SKITA at no charge to the employee. We could use a nice PE to
kick around ;)
I checked my iPhone to see if it WAS warmer here tan there today (figured
you're about same as Fargo) and indeed, we're 39*F now.
Impairments are also covered in #25, but it's something you can reference,
excerpt and forward to the OWNER to implement- we have enough risk in this
business.
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
Well, I understand the state of Michigan decided it couldn't afford the
safety of a new code adoption, must be they can't afford a fire marshal in
AZ. Course if you look at the deficit, we can't afford the safety of the
FDA, FTC, USDA, etc either- we could shut them all down and soon we'll
]
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:00 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Cc: George Church
Subject: RE: Arizona State Fire Marshal
George,
The State of Michigan Office of Fire Safety is still using the 1996 code.
Change is a hard sell.
George Church for...@ptd.net wrote:
Well, I
Congrats to T for her efforts, frostbite to you cause you're skiing and I'm
working.swooosh-have fun!
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of steve
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:17 PM
To:
to the
1996 NFPA 13
Mike
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:24 PM, George Church for...@ptd.net wrote:
Hang in there, in PA we went from early 80's BOCA until April 2004
adoption
of our PA Uniform Construction Code based on 2003 I-codes; 6 years later
we
led the nation to the IRC.
So we went from 20 year
Huguenot, Potter Electric, others will test your samples.
You'll need fresh samples, tho and fed ex it to them. The microbes need to
have a fighting chance of being alive when the lab gets it.
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
We've held to the 24 hrs since we had Relmark insuring us years ago.
If they don't want to, they can sign a release of damage and we'll turn it
on 5 minutes after we glue it together (ok, an hour).
I think you need about 3 weeks to cure 1 joints in our current weather.
There are many of us
Congrats- you just wrote the report for em, sparing him the return paperwork
and postage.
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
craig.pr...@ch2m.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:30 PM
To:
If the trailer is in the same exact spot, could a flexible drop be fitted
coming down from the roof system and have a bracket rigged to effect an EC
HSW pointing into the back of the trailer spraying into it?
Then you only have the shielded area below the trailer to either deal with-
whether its
So, does this mean we can't install shell systems in spec buildings because
we don't trust them to store other than what the shell is intended for?
As I understand it, you're proposing EH2 over the entire, when a localized
protection scheme might address the localized hazard of one trailer? How
Scot-
Given the trailer is parked inside a building with what I'll assume is
.3/2000 wet system and maybe 20' deck height, would you believe that such a
large fire could be produced with control mode sprinklers overhead?
Todd-
And are the trailers being modified fiberglass bodied or
can point to for the GC's sake?
Brian Harris
FDFP INC.
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 4:20 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject
I agree the tunnel testing is an interesting discussion. And relevant to a
degree to this topic.
However, let's again look at the problem-
It's ONE trailer parked in a sprinklered building with protection suitable
for 14' hi Group A. How many deaths to we expect? The shielded area is
likely 8'
FDC goes on pump discharge side.
Pump not smart enough to know FD took 50 PSI suction from city and boosted
it to 150, so now your pump discharge is 250 PSI.
Plug pit, install FDC on side of building.
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
http://www.grecon-us.com/pdfs/CC7000_en_usa_web.pdf
http://www.argusfirecontrol.com/Products.html
http://www.exploguard.com/explo_spark_main.php
you can soak what's left after the fire races past your sprinklers if you
install standard heads off a wet system; or better, install something like
Remember they're the ones finding the invisible fault with you crossing an
electrical room with your piping.
So that you are sure you comply FULLY with the applicable code preventing
you from doing this (ITHO) ask them to provide the applicable code
reference.
glc
-Original Message-
That difficult or impossible to evacuate phrase cost a lot of lives in NY
State when a group home was protected (over the contractor's objections) to
13D when numerous residents were difficult or impossible to evacuate and
staff couldn't do the impossible. They simply needed more than 10 minutes
And it might be a cold day indeed when ICC sends you to something NFPA
produces in competition with ICC.
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Drucker
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:38 PM
To:
And to think we still have a large number of unsprinklered nursing homes
here in the States...where the result wouldn't be as good as this- tey'd
have shut the door and it likely would have flashed over, killing the
occupant in the room of origin. After that, the fire growth would have
Oh, all that the public needs to know is in the report- the sprinkler
extinguisher sprayed water when it wasn't supposed to do that.
Funny, the amount of damage is almost nil. Couple DVDs and chair legs,
carpet, flooring? Adjusters would kill for such small claims on a sprkr
discharge incident
Appreciate it-
We're looking for a short Flexhead on steroids, not the dresser #38.
glc
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:28 PM
To:
Horror doesn't take a holiday, and we have decades of unsprinklered housing
stock that eventually will be replaced with sprinklered housing. We've
finally been given the ammo, centuries after the problem started and a
generation after it was available. A century after the solution of you count
13
Generally there's a sample spec ion most pump mfr's website. Or ask a local
vendor, he'll love you for it.
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Jim Johnston
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:32
Click on the link and see the latest fire to hit historic downtown
Bellefonte, PA, just outside State College.
After losing two 4-story historic buildings in spectacular blazes 18 months
apart, then Fire Chief Tim Knisely formed the Bellefonte Fire Protection and
Historical Preservation Task
A friend of mine notes they are sprinklering historic downtown Annapolis one
building at a time.
During the rebuild :(
glc
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of å...
Sent: Tuesday, December
Todd, is it possible to run a flow test at the end of the copper line to
simply measure the real thing instead of degrading it?
We'd had an AHJ want to degrade DI UG down to C=80 or 90, until we removed a
section and showed it to him- clean as a whistle, allowed C=140 after all.
glc
I would hope they do, but I doubt it will bring the outrage it deserves.
Residential sprinklers aren't taken for granted (obviously) so its not the
same effect as if Detroit starting shipping cars without seat belts, and
someone died from smashing the windshield with their face. It'll just be
Absolutely right. HodgePodge as in any general retail store.
Thom, I know you don't want to do it, but the ONLY way to bid this is OH2
and qualify your bis as such, that you're assuming the top shelf is a CAP to
signify to employees that storage can't exceed this 12' AFF mark. Cause you
know most
Whenever the AHJ says he wants on in 13d where the calcs don't have the same
intestinal fortitude as our 13R and 13 calcs.
Which begs the question- why do a bucket test if you did real calcs?
glc
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
Uh, did you know you can back up and vote again?
A friend in Chicago noted that to me.
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Eric Tysinger
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:57 PM
To:
You could turn tables on him-
Tell him to show you where it IS allowed in the code.
glc
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Russell
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:06 PM
To: AFSA
Subject:
I thought 22 had a drain requirement, I can't recall ever installing a tank
without one. What I do recall is shaking my head why folks put drain valves
on the back of a tank instead of in the pumphouse side, in the heated area,
and then an ell to take it thru the wall. Sure, it's a couple feet of
Please do update us, Tony- I can't think the 200*F heads- required in
unventilated attic- are the cause. And the code DOES allow exposed CPVC in
OH2 if 400 SF in light hazard building, and with spacing and elevation
restrictions.
glc
-Original Message-
From:
Vince, we did a job last year where our variance was approved and here's the
logic train:
Egress distance can be increased past 250' if heat and smoke vents are
provided.
So we pencil vents in.
Then we provide an ESFR system so the vents aren't required, erase them.
Extended egress distance in
I learned an interesting phrase from a former staff liason at NFPA; during
committee meetings he'd observe:
Since I'm not on the committee, I'm not entitled to an opinion. But if I
were, I'd ..
Nice caveat, he could participate without participating. And as a PE, he
would otherwise BE
I'd ask the EOR if you could use 13R and there's no reason you couldn't
design areas outside the dwelling units to OH1- and understand not all of
#13 requirements apply to areas outside the dwelling unit, but density,
remote area size, etc do come over. Increase in hose streams, protection of
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:50 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: NFPA-13
And you're trying to hit a moving target- the water supply isn't static.
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 1:34 PM
To:
Before Frozen Dave became an SH wizard, he'd have chimed in here about the
mini-dams that get created when roll-grooved piping has condensation
puddling both in the pipe ends uphill from the groove intruding up into the
bottom of the pie, as well as the water sitting in the gasket. Potential for
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:18 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: tri seal gaskets
Before Frozen Dave became an SH wizard, he'd have chimed in here about the
mini-dams that get created when roll-grooved piping has
help when asked, and become part of the solution instead of
just bitchin and being part of the problem.
Best of luck to all the others in states where you still have obstacles to
overcome. Keep pushing! Write letters! Help with a local FD's side by side!
Do Something!
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
Welding leads?
Run around installing heat tape?
Seriously, warm up the area with heaters
If using salamanders cause u have to, keep FEs nearby and manned.
Otherwise pull it out, set it warm area, reinstall tomorrow.
And be glad for the stimulus.
-Original Message-
From:
Its not a criteria by which we're judged.
We meet what the code outlines for us to meet.
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:38 AM
To:
And as obvious as it sounds, I'd caution against a 12 offset since you'll
hit ceiling wire.
glc
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mike Dooley
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:00 PM
To:
We DO maintain annual pressure records in each sprinkler room- hanging on
the main drain tag. Naturally this data is only of value when someone
opening that main drain and writing down the residual pressure actually
compares the result with the previous data.
You're spot on that the language on
/Electrical Inspector
Fire Marshals Office
Borough of Red Bank, NJ
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:21 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject
They can't- any more than we'll warrant that our systems will control a
fire. They'll be happy to sign what they can, usually- that at the moment of
the flow test, these pressures and flows were available. That's all they'll
say and that's all they should say.
I think it would be a good idea to
So you've just handed him the dilemma of using SR ELO's in a light hazard
corridor..hope people don't die.
:)
Seriously, Dwayne, I'd use the ELOs up the corridor and then switch to the
QR in the breakroom, assuming the breakroom is separated by a wall from the
high hazard area.
glc
Or just qualify your proposal that storage can't exceed 12' and go OH 2 with
EC heads in that 40' tall box.
In April 2010 FM Global is going to slim down the selection of heads to:
Storage
Non-storage
Residential
Special
They won't be differentiating between suppression and control modes, and
. If you
have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete
it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the
sender of the error by reply email or by calling Cherokee Fire
Protection Co. at 888-347-3079 toll free.
-Original Message-
From: George
Some day maybe I'll see if I can cut and paste what a PE around here
required. I haven't been able to figure it out, it was easier to not bid
their work. I do know it had nice things like:
No field-installed offsets without revised calcs submitted and approved.
(Know how well that works with
wishes for a thoroughly enjoyable
thanksgiving respite.
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of David
Blackwell
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:14 AM
To: sprinklerforum
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org ] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:20 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: concealed space
And you can't use 13R under the 2006 IBC if the design team used
-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:20 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: concealed space
And you can't use 13R under the 2006 IBC if the design team used the
sprinkler increase in order to build it, you can add a story
http://www.sprinkleracademy.com/#/Classes/
learn velocity pressure calcs
-Original Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Miguel A.
Lopez
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 8:04 PM
To:
Actually, I believe a newbie to the industry with a really smart father has
developed a method to NOT make assumptions, but use his formula to simply
plug in your values and go. I believe it will be released soon, once
marketing determines how to make a buck on it.
Glc
-Original
However, when you're using stored water for 150 minute duration, cutting the
density in half can save some serious money- like the job I was just
finalizing when this came across, and made me give pause- did I miss a
chance to lower our cost?
I was thinking of popping a bladder tank in for
Well, Equivalency 1.4 gives us the ability to apply FM standards- or other
alternatives- and BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH NFPA #13! Just say you're in
compliance with Section 1.4 of #13, and submit the technical documentation
(i.e., FM Data Sheets and any tests or other explanatory info you can find)
and
Yes
We subscribed to the FM Data Sheet subscription service for years in order
to do just that.
We've applied FM criteria on some projects since the owner may wish to
engage FMG at a later date. In standard systems, simply use the 1.4
multiplier and other items where FM invokes more stringent
701 - 800 of 1600 matches
Mail list logo
