RE: Fire Flow Test for SFR

Owen: What exactly do you object to if the fire official is trying to verify the delivery of adequate fire flow? What water company or muni-utilities department is providing the water? Have they exercised any hydrants in the subject neighborhood in the past... I dunno, TEN years?Can

RE: Fire Flow Test for SFR

I’ve been told many times that the only time the fire dept gets to see anything about the building is with fire sprinkler plan review so we sometimes get the off the wall comments for things that are not in our scope. The plan reviewer knows it is not in our scope, but the only way they can

RE: Fire Flow Test for SFR

We have before. But it was due to the loft, it fell out of IRC. (4 stories high now) That required it to be connected to city supply since it was an R, not a D. Seems like yours is the domain of the civil/city for IFC fire flow requirements. Outside your scope.. R/ Matt -Original

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We have received requests for Fire Flow verification before. It often happens because the comments are tossed in with our plan review ("be sure the hydrants work!")- or because they contain the word "fire" We charge to perform them and do it under a separate agreement. We don't design or

RE: Fire Flow

, PA, & TX **NICET IV - Water-Based Systems Layout From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:23 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Right but your comment could be misr

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: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:02 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow It's like sprinkler hydraulics in that the size of the piping may have to be calculated, which

RE: Fire Flow

. It is not cumulative. Steve Original message From: "Hinson, Ryan" <rhin...@burnsmcd.com> Date: 5/19/16 7:30 AM (GMT-08:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Your building sprinkler feed is just that...a sprinkler f

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esprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:21 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Steve- Thanks for the help, I think I got it from here. Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. bvssytemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/>

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I have a flow graph program on Excel that you could use and read to 20 psi. It doesn't have any capacity for calculating underground data Sent using CloudMagic Email [https://cloudmagic.com/k/d/mailapp?ct=pi=7.4.8=9.2.1=email_footer_2] On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Brian Harris

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:02 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow It's like sprinkler hydraulics in that the size of the piping may have to be calculated, which is based on the available flow and pressure from whatever water supply you're starting with. Usually, and I emphasize usually but not always, a

RE: Fire Flow

but not if its 450 feet long. Steve Original message From: Brian Harris <bhar...@bvssystemsinc.com> Date: 5/19/16 6:48 AM (GMT-08:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Got it, thanks. I see where this particular project requires 1500 gpm @

RE: Fire Flow

rforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow So true. And I love when the specifying engineers don't research the local amendments. One large jurisdiction here does not allow a reduction in site fire flow for 13R systems, and only a 50% reduction for 13 systems. I'm the bad guy when we have t

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m-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of mphe...@aerofire.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:44 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow In the IFC it is table B 105.2 i believe. Mark at Aero 602 820-7894 Sent from my iPad On May 19, 2016, at 5:56 AM, Brian Harris

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0.7540 Fax - 864.920.7129 CH2MHILL Extension 77540 craig.pr...@ch2m.com From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of mphe...@aerofire.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:44 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow In the IFC it is table

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In the IFC it is table B 105.2 i believe. Mark at Aero 602 820-7894 Sent from my iPad On May 19, 2016, at 5:56 AM, Brian Harris > wrote: Does anybody have a spreadsheet or pdf they'd care to share that is used to calculate fire flow

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erforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Brian Harris > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:23 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Fire Flow > > Craig- > Thanks for the info. > > Brian Harris, CET > BV

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er.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Not a problem. Fire Flow per the IFC is one area of fire protection engineering way too often overlooked, misunderstood or just plain ignored. Let me know if you have any other questions. Craig L. Prahl Fire Protection Group Lead/SME CH2M 200 Verdae Blvd. Greenvil

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- 864.920.7540 Fax - 864.920.7129 CH2MHILL Extension 77540 craig.pr...@ch2m.com From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:23 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Craig- Thanks

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rforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow You need to contact the local fire code authority and find out from them what their approved method is for determining Fire Flow. There are more than a half dozen methods that are used. Once you find the method to be used, you will use the calculation metho

RE: Fire Flow

You need to contact the local fire code authority and find out from them what their approved method is for determining Fire Flow. There are more than a half dozen methods that are used. Once you find the method to be used, you will use the calculation methodology prescribed within. Of the

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

Fire flow is a term and issue not often addressed by A/E and fire protection engineers. Fire Flow is a requirement within the IFC, Section 507.3 to be specific. There are numerous methods available to use to determine Fire Flow. As the section of Code states, Fire Flow is to be determined

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Fire flow is a term and issue not often addressed by A/E and fire protection engineers. Fire Flow is a requirement within the IFC, Section 507.3 to be specific. There are numerous methods available to use to determine Fire Flow

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Duane Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:48 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's To add, the fire flow is based on construction type, building height/area

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

IFC 2012, Appendix B Section B105 Fire-Flow Requirements For Buildings Reed A. Roisum, SET | Karges-Faulconbridge, Inc. | Senior Fire Protection Designer | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9903 | mobile: 701.388.1352 | http://www.kfiengineers.com -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

In my State, I would be able to explain it to such a customer like this: We don't specify the exact scope of work divisions amongst the building design team; however, the plans must comply with the applicable code requirements. Therefore, you may need to discuss who on the design team is

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

Check the IBC/IFC (index... not sure what section). Fire Flow is the amount of water required to be delivered by the fire hydrants for the FD to spray on a burning building. The amount required is dictated by the code, but the actual water available is determined entirely by the underground

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Fletcher Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 2:14 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's It's in Appendix B of IFC and is definitely in the realm

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 2:13 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Peter- Much appreciated. Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. bvssytemsinc.com

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:55 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Definitely out of our control but I was looking for the differences between the (2) calculations. I

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

Office 301-455-0010 Cell -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:50 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Check the IBC/IFC

Re: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

It's in Appendix B of IFC and is definitely in the realm of A/E team. Fire flow, hydrant spacing etc.. Is required for building permits (usually) and the fire line size should have been determined well before a sprinkler contractor was involved. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2015, at 1:46

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's You can tell them they need a 20" line and that they might want to have the architect verify your findings. . On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Brian Harris <bhar...@bvssystemsinc.com> wrote: > Ron- > I totally

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

ete Schwab Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:59 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's See NFPA 13 2016 Edition A.11.1.4.2 Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 347

Re: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

-- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Fletcher > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 2:14 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's > > It's in Appendix B of IFC and is definitely in the r

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:50 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Check the IBC/IFC (index... not sure what section). Fire Flow is the amount

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's See NFPA 13 2016 Edition A.11.1.4.2 Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Brian A.11.1.4.2 Appropriate area/density, other design criteria, and water supply requirements should be based on scientifically based engineering analyses that can include submitted fire testing, calculations, or results from appropriate computational

RE: Fire Flow

If you're talking about the fire flows referenced in the IFC, Appendix B, this seems to be an AHJ or IU call. For the most part when the building is fully sprinklered only the sprinkler system demand and hose stream demands are used for water tank sizing. I've not had one AHJ or IU apply the

Re: Fire Flow

The reduction has already been approved. The fire flow demand is to supply a hydrant on the property. My question is (and no fire marshal to ask today),is the sprinkler demand included or need to be added? This tank supplies all fire water needs (no jokes-I know what you're all thinking) for this

RE: Fire Flow

To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow The reduction has already been approved. The fire flow demand is to supply a hydrant on the property. My question is (and no fire marshal to ask today),is the sprinkler demand included or need to be added? This tank supplies all fire water needs

RE: Fire Flow

Protection, Inc 1100 Ahtanum Road Yakima, WA 98903 Phone 509-248-4471 Fax 509-248-1180 j...@inlandfireprotection.com -Original Message- From: Ron Greenman [mailto:rongreen...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:57 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow

RE: Fire Flow

, Inc. (209)334-9119 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Jim Johnston Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:11 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Ron, Is this in a rural

Re: Fire Flow

-Original Message- From: Ron Greenman [mailto:rongreen...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:57 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow The reduction has already been approved. The fire flow demand is to supply a hydrant on the property. My

Re: Fire Flow

I don't have a quick answer, but out of curiosity, how far does the FD need to go to get another water source?   BTW, the hose allowance in the sprinkler design must surely be part of the fireflow. Dave David A. de Vries, P.E., CSP Firetech Engineering Incorporated --- On Thu, 9/3/09,

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] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:57 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow The reduction has already been approved. The fire flow demand is to supply a hydrant on the property. My question is (and no fire marshal to ask today),is the sprinkler demand included or need

Re: Fire Flow

Far. And yes the fire flow accommodates the demand for both. I'm trying to figure how much storage is needed. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:30 PM, David de Vriesddevr...@firetecheng.net wrote: I don't have a quick answer, but out of curiosity, how far does the FD need to go to get another water

RE: Fire Flow

[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:28 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow Jim, Let's say semi-rural. The fire department is coming but all the water, for them and the sprinklers is from the tank. The actual

RE: Fire Flow

...@inlandfireprotection.com -Original Message- From: Ron Greenman [mailto:rongreen...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:57 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow The reduction has already been approved. The fire flow demand is to supply a hydrant on the property

RE: Fire Flow

...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:33 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow Far. And yes the fire flow accommodates the demand for both. I'm trying to figure how much storage is needed

RE: Fire Flow

] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:33 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow Far. And yes the fire flow accommodates the demand for both. I'm trying to figure how much storage is needed. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:30 PM, David de Vriesddevr

RE: Fire Flow

: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:59 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Ok so let's just remember that if you have insufficient Fire Flow per the I codes, one of the alternatives is to fire sprinkler the property. So in the I-codes Sprinkler = Reduced fire flow

RE: Fire Flow

Subject: RE: Fire Flow NFPA 13 2002 Edition 11.2.3.1.3; An allowance for inside and outside hose shall not be required where the tanks supply sprinklers only. Since the tank supplies both site fire hydrant and fire sprinklers, it needs to accommodate both the site and sprinklers. The questions I

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://www.ch2m.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Gregg Fontes Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 5:10 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow NFPA 13 2002 Edition 11.2.3.1.3

RE: Fire Flow Calculation

Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 3:53 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation The other thing to remember about the ISO Fire Flows is that they limit the maximum flow to 3500 Gpm @ 20 Psi per hyd. To most of you this will sound like water from heaven. Up here

RE: Fire Flow Calculation

Don't give them any ideas. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:33 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow Calculation I recently read a spec that required the sprinkler

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To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation To REALLY make things interesting, the ISO method of calculation is for an unsprinklered building only. ISO defines the Needed Fire Flow for a sprinklered building to be the sprinkler system demand plus the appropriately

RE: Fire Flow Calculation

Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation The other thing to remember about the ISO Fire Flows is that they limit the maximum flow to 3500 Gpm @ 20 Psi per hyd. To most of you this will sound like water from heaven. Up here in the hill's, we often have 3500 @ 80, and lose the ability to flatten

RE: Fire Flow Calculation

Ron, Just a few questions to stimulate the ole thought processes this morning ;-) (1) What fire flow calculation method are you required (or allowed) to utilize in the jurisdiction you are referencing? (2) Have you calculated the effective area based on the allowed compartmentalization of the

RE: Fire Flow Calculation

gpm to the AHJ. Thanks to everyone for your input. Ron Fletcher Aero Automatic Phoenix, AZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Vance Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:22 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow

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:37 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation I think I have tried the ISO method before and unless I did something wrong (easily) the fire flows I ended up with for large buildings were greater than those in Appendix B. At the very least I will need a lot more

RE: Fire Flow Calculation

Vance Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:22 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation The reason for the ISO method being more atractive is that ISO allows the Effective Area to be calculated utilizing 2hr fire separations for compartmentalization. In simpler words, you

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: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:55 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation Never ceases to amaze me what they think WE should be expert at, yet we have township inspectors looking over our work

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- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:55 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation Likewise when licensed fire protection contractors get caught attesting that the vane type flow switch

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24, 2008 2:55 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation Likewise when licensed fire protection contractors get caught attesting that the vane type flow switch operates properly yet no ITC exists. Lots of red faces this morning, but not to worry the fire

RE: Fire Flow Calculation

Tables B and C of the IFC ( I think) list the flows. An intersting question arises..., if it is not fully sprinkled... I believe you do not get the nice reduction?.. Is this what you are looking for ? R/ Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

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Fire flow from hydrants, standpipes, sprinklers - what? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 4:36 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Fire Flow Calculation Looking for help to determine

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] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Willis Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:47 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation Tables B and C of the IFC ( I think) list the flows. An intersting question arises..., if it is not fully sprinkled... I believe you do

RE: Fire Flow Calculation

Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:09 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation It's for fire flow from hydrants. I guess I'm wondering if we can pro-rate the unsprinklered

RE: Fire Flow Calculation

I was afraid of that. So it will be 6000 gpm. Thanks for the help. Ron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Pinigis Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:17 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation Nope

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PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:22 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation I was afraid of that. So it will be 6000 gpm. Thanks for the help. Ron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: Fire Flow Calculation

That's a good idea but with my luck there will be asbestos above the ceilings. Ron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 2:32 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation

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23, 2008 3:40 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Calculation That's a good idea but with my luck there will be asbestos above the ceilings. Ron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Wednesday, July

RE: Fire Flow requirements

You can't get 4800-gpm at 20-psi with that flow test, no matter what you do (the best you can do is 4018-gpm); and you can't get 4800-gpm through that fire pump, no matter what you do. The city wants their Needed Fire Flow for the building and there are several methods to figure the NFF but most

RE: Fire Flow requirements

If the building is fully sprinklered, I believe IFC allows up to a 75% reduction of the required fire flow? R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis Living Water Fire Protection, LLC. 1160 McKenzie Rd. PO Box 877 Cantonment, FL. 32533 850-937-1850 Voice 850-937-1852 Facsimile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (731)-424-0130 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Hasenmyer Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:05 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow requirements You can't get 4800-gpm at 20-psi with that flow

RE: Fire Flow requirements

I deal with this problem everyday here in Phoenix. Table B105.1 list the required fire flows based on total square feet of the largest building on a site. B105.2 Exception allows up to a 50% reduction in fire flow for buildings sprinklered in accordance with 903. It doesn't sound like the AHJ has

RE: Fire Flow requirements

PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:54 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow requirements I deal with this problem everyday here in Phoenix. Table B105.1 list the required fire flows based on total square feet of the largest building

RE: Fire Flow requirements

03, 2007 8:54 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow requirements I deal with this problem everyday here in Phoenix. Table B105.1 list the required fire flows based on total square feet of the largest building on a site. B105.2 Exception allows up to a 50% reduction in fire

Re: Fire Flow requirements

address. - Original Message - From: Bobby Gillett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: RE: Fire Flow requirements The project is using 2003 IBC and I don't see the chart or exception in there. Is this new to 2006 IBC

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to fight, Ground Zero? Ray Schmid Koffel Associates -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:24 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow requirements Still haven't heard from

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@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow requirements They may want to save everyone the trouble and just ban non-sprinklered buildings. I don't know of too many municipalities that can deliver 8,000 gpm even at 20 psi (or 5,600 gpm for that matter) That's an awful lot of water and seems pretty

RE: Fire Flow Requirements

Not specifically. The IFC states in Section 508 FIRE PROTECTION WATER SUPPLIES, 508.3 Fire Flow: Fire flow requirements for buildings or portions of buildings and facilities shall be determined by an approved method. Typical weasel-word stuff, interpret as you wish. Has the local Fire Marshal

RE: Fire Flow Requirements

IFC From: Pete Schwab [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Fire Flow Requirements Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:33:02 -0400 Forum Is there any code language or requirements that a private supply main for a building/complex be

RE: Fire Flow Requirements

No there is not. As a previous post indicated, the language of 508.3 states that fire flow shall be determined by an approved method. If you go to Appendix B, Fire Flow for Buildings, you will find the required minimum flow rates and durations, based on building type and area (but NOT based on

RE: Fire Flow Requirements

Steve's description is how we apply these requirements in Seattle. Think a bit about the scenario, if a fire is to the point that the hose streams are using the volume required for fire flow, (1,500 - 4,000 gpm) the sprinklers obviously did not work very well in the first place, might as

RE: Fire Flow Requirements

, 2007 10:58 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow Requirements Steve's description is how we apply these requirements in Seattle. Think a bit about the scenario, if a fire is to the point that the hose streams are using the volume required for fire flow, (1,500 - 4,000