Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1345

[Ian Clarke]

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Matthew Toseland
wrote:

> Freenet 0.7.5 build 1345 is now available, it will be mandatory on
> Thursday, please upgrade ASAP. This is just a small bugfix for a problem
> pointed out on FMS (a NullPointerException). Eleriseth even provided a
> partial fix, which has been merged along with some related fixes. IMHO this
> only happens if a peer gets to too-high ping times *before* it is first
> backed off, so I doubt it's the cause of the problems we've been having
> lately (most notably it taking *ages* to bootstrap a new node onto opennet),
> but it's still important to fix it.
>

Are you sure its wise to give people so little time to upgrade for what
appears to be a minor fix?

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-support] Straw poll: Should Freenet require Javascript?

[Ian Clarke]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Ray Jones  wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 14:57 -0500, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > And this is the problem.  If you admit that you don't understand the
> > issues then why express any opinion at all until you do?
>
> Because as I began learning about internet safety and security, js has
> been at the top of the list as the devil in disguise. My vote was, "No,
> but plead your case as to why it's needed and ask again."
>

And my vote is to ignore the votes of people who can't be bothered to inform
themselves before expressing an opinion on a subject.

What?!? You want to add js so that we can have a cutesy interface?!?
>

No, a usable interface.


> Tell me how js is going to improve the functionality.


It will improve functionality by making Freenet easier for newbies to use
it.


> Tell me how it's
> going to fix the "backed off" problem.


It won't, that's not its purpose.


> Tell me how it will keep 1/4 of
> my files from having to be re-downloaded because of an internal error.
>

It won't, that's not its purpose.


> Tell me how it's going to help me get more than a 100kB/s throughput.
>

It won't, that's not its purpose.


> You want to improve the INTERFACE?
>

Correct.

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Re: [freenet-support] Straw poll: Should Freenet require Javascript?

[Ian Clarke]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Ray Jones  wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 14:11 -0500, Ian Clarke wrote:
>
> > It would be really helpful if people could spend a little time to
> > understand what is being debated before they start ranting.
>
> Try again. I subscribed to this list lastMay? I have received
> perhaps a half dozen messages since then until this last week. Suddenly
> I have 50 messages some dating back to June and July. The first message
> I received in the bunch was the straw poll on javascript. Since then I
> have carefully read every message I have received. There has been very
> little discussion as to why js is needed, or I am missing a bunch of
> messages, or the discussion seriously needs to be brought down to a
> level that I can understand. So don't tell me to understand before I
> start ranting if you are not part of the solution of helping me
> understand. Until I understand, my vote still stands at no.


And this is the problem.  If you admit that you don't understand the issues
then why express any opinion at all until you do?

Here it is:

- Our UI sucks
- Our UI framework sucks
- We need a new UI framework that will make it easy for us to create a
decent looking UI
- Of the options available, GWT seems like the best one because:
- it has great free dev tools
- its pure Java
- it makes it easy for non-designers to create decent looking UIs
because all the widgets are pre-designed
- We are already using parts of GWT in the codebase.

Rather than everyone just poking holes in every suggestion, why not suggest
alternatives?  Oh, and if it involves creating a powerful UI which
falls-back gracefully if there is no Javascript, please consider how much
additional work would be required to do this, and how exactly it is to be
achieved.

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Re: [freenet-support] Straw poll: Should Freenet require Javascript?

[Ian Clarke]

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:27 PM,  wrote:

> Why should I allow JS for completely anonymous posted freesites?
>

Nobody is advocating that, Freenet filters out Javascript and many other
things that are downloaded from freesites.

It would be really helpful if people could spend a little time to understand
what is being debated before they start ranting.

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Status Update

[Ian Clarke]

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Dennis Nezic wrote:

> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 22:35:30 +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > Ian's friend pupok is working on a new AJAXy user interface mockup
> > for Freenet.
>
> Oh god no. Make sure it's easy to disable this garbage for people who
> still value control over their web pages (to read, parse, etc). Dillo
> doesn't (and hopefully won't) support javascript.


The new web UI (which is still a long-way off) will be in-addition to
FProxy, and is intended to only serve the needs of "casual" Freenet users.
 I expect that we'll keep FProxy running on its current port for those that
prefer it.

So anti-Javascript luddites like you will be free to remain in the dark ages
if you want to ;-P

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Re: [freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Non-english windows users: does it pick up your language or do you need to set it?

[Ian Clarke]

Why can't the Windows installer get the language from the OS?

Ian.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Matthew Toseland  wrote:

> Does the new windows installer set up Freenet to use the correct language?
> Obviously it asks you, but after that does the node use the correct
> language? And does it pick up the system locale in the first place? IIRC the
> language selection isn't very obvious?
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[freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Request for proofreading: Announcing donation from Google

[Ian Clarke]

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Matthew Toseland
 wrote:
> 7th May, 2009 - Another big donation!

How about: "Google makes a second donation to Freenet!"

Everything else looks good.

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Re: [freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Request for proofreading: Announcing donation from Google

[Ian Clarke]

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Matthew Toseland
 wrote:
> 7th May, 2009 - Another big donation!

How about: "Google makes a second donation to Freenet!"

Everything else looks good.

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[freenet-support] Freenet funding status

[Ian Clarke]

Have you filed a bug report describing the problem in detail?

Ian.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:35 AM,  wrote:

> I would consider donating if there was a Freenet version that installs
> reliably on Vista. As yet I have not managed a successful install.
>
> Best,
>
> Mihail
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > As you can see looking at the website, the project can afford to pay for
> > Matthew for only another 25 days.  As many of you are aware, Matthew's
> > contribution to development is fundamental, and it would be a serious
> blow
> > to the project if we could no-longer pay him.
> >
> > I know times are tough, but if you can spare anything I'd ask that you
> > visit
> > our donation page at http://freenetproject.org/donate.html, and
> contribute
> > whatever you can.
> >
> > Please also forward this message on to any other relevant forums (such as
> > on-Freenet message boards).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ian.
> >
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[freenet-support] Freenet funding status

[Ian Clarke]

Hey all,

As you can see looking at the website, the project can afford to pay for
Matthew for only another 25 days.  As many of you are aware, Matthew's
contribution to development is fundamental, and it would be a serious blow
to the project if we could no-longer pay him.

I know times are tough, but if you can spare anything I'd ask that you visit
our donation page at http://freenetproject.org/donate.html, and contribute
whatever you can.

Please also forward this message on to any other relevant forums (such as
on-Freenet message boards).

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet funding status

[Ian Clarke]

Have you filed a bug report describing the problem in detail?

Ian.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:35 AM,  wrote:

> I would consider donating if there was a Freenet version that installs
> reliably on Vista. As yet I have not managed a successful install.
>
> Best,
>
> Mihail
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > As you can see looking at the website, the project can afford to pay for
> > Matthew for only another 25 days.  As many of you are aware, Matthew's
> > contribution to development is fundamental, and it would be a serious
> blow
> > to the project if we could no-longer pay him.
> >
> > I know times are tough, but if you can spare anything I'd ask that you
> > visit
> > our donation page at http://freenetproject.org/donate.html, and
> contribute
> > whatever you can.
> >
> > Please also forward this message on to any other relevant forums (such as
> > on-Freenet message boards).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ian.
> >
> > --
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[freenet-support] Freenet funding status

[Ian Clarke]

Hey all,

As you can see looking at the website, the project can afford to pay for
Matthew for only another 25 days.  As many of you are aware, Matthew's
contribution to development is fundamental, and it would be a serious blow
to the project if we could no-longer pay him.

I know times are tough, but if you can spare anything I'd ask that you visit
our donation page at http://freenetproject.org/donate.html, and contribute
whatever you can.

Please also forward this message on to any other relevant forums (such as
on-Freenet message boards).

Thanks,

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[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 1195 (and warning)

[Ian Clarke]

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Matthew Toseland
 wrote:
> A partial solution
> is to implement a progress screen when loading a page; this will be done in
> the near future. If you have expertise in Javascript, please contact us, we
> could really do with some help for the next stage.

You should look into GWT for this.

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 1195 (and warning)

[Ian Clarke]

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Matthew Toseland
 wrote:
> A partial solution
> is to implement a progress screen when loading a page; this will be done in
> the near future. If you have expertise in Javascript, please contact us, we
> could really do with some help for the next stage.

You should look into GWT for this.

Ian.

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[freenet-support] We need a new French translator

[Ian Clarke]

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Matthew Toseland
 wrote:
> Anyone here fluent in English and French, and not otherwise occupied in
> Freenet? Since batosai is leaving, we need a new French translator. IMHO
> French is an important language. Let us know if you can do this...

Perhaps someone in Belgium, Canada, or some other French-speaking
country that doesn't suffer from France's legal stupidity around P2P.

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-support] We need a new French translator

[Ian Clarke]

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Matthew Toseland
 wrote:
> Anyone here fluent in English and French, and not otherwise occupied in
> Freenet? Since batosai is leaving, we need a new French translator. IMHO
> French is an important language. Let us know if you can do this...

Perhaps someone in Belgium, Canada, or some other French-speaking
country that doesn't suffer from France's legal stupidity around P2P.

Ian.

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[freenet-support] Support Digest, Vol 35, Issue 1

[Ian Clarke]

Setting aside the fact that this guy is clearly an asshole, does
anyone understand what problem he is running into here?

Ian.

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Don Lee  wrote:
> The installer should not attempt an install if there's a serious problem.
>
> I don't see a fix for this and I've already got a "good" JVM, right
> from SUN. Still, I reinstalled JVM and freenet still fails.
>
> I've tried to install freenet several times on several machines over
> the last two years.
>
> My opinion is that it's total shite.
>
> It has never worked, and will never work.
>
> Back to TOR, which works...
>
> Goodbye Fakenet.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:00 AM,   
> wrote:
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>>   3. Re: [Fwd: cannaot install] (robert fallis)
>>   4. error message (robert fallis)
>>   5. Re: [Fwd: cannaot install] (Julien Cornuwel)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:38:17 +0100
>> From: robert fallis 
>> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] [Fwd: cannaot install]
>> To: support at freenetproject.org
>> Message-ID: <1217507897.15609.4.camel at robert-desktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 11:02 +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote:
>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> robert fallis a ?crit :
>>> | Java.IO. IO. exception  cannot run program " home/robert/freenet/bin/
>>> | install_updater.sh Io exception error13, permission denied
>>>
>>> It looks like a permission problem. Where are you trying to install the
>>> program ? You should check that your user as write and execute rights on
>>> the folder you specified.
>>  Julien.
>> have changed permission, but still no joy I have what seams to be a
>> partly installed system, I have tried to run the uninstaller but that
>> will not work, is there any way to uninstall. the stuff thats on the
>> computor. so that I can make a frash start,
>> regards
>> bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:00:16 +0200
>> From: Julien Cornuwel 
>> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] [Fwd: cannaot install]
>> To: support at freenetproject.org, robert.fallis at virgin.net
>> Message-ID: <4891B760.4060407 at freenetproject.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> robert fallis a ?crit :
>>
>>>  Julien.
>>> have changed permission, but still no joy I have what seams to be a
>>> partly installed system, I have tried to run the uninstaller but that
>>> will not work, is there any way to uninstall. the stuff thats on the
>>> computor. so that I can make a frash start,
>>> regards
>>> bob
>>
>> What operating system are you using ?
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
>>
>> iD8DBQFIkbdgmY5qNqKdYw0RAvvgAJ9gQ9h9/pkKTlm6lLthj0xa/33qWQCfc6jd
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:22:37 +0100
>> From: robert fallis 
>> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] [Fwd: cannaot install]
>> To: support at freenetproject.org
>> Message-ID: <1217510557.15609.7.camel at robert-desktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 15:00 +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote:
>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> robert fallis a ?crit :
>>>
>>> >  Julien.
>>> > have changed permission, but still no joy I have what seams to be a
>>> > partly installed system, I have tried to run the uninstaller but that
>>> > will not work, is there any way to uninstall. the stuff thats on the
>>> > computor. so that I can make a frash start,
>>> > regards
>>> > bob
>>>
>>> What operating system are you using ?
>>  Julien,
>> linux Kubuntu 8.04 lts
>>
>> regards
>> bob
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:56:03 +0100
>> From: robert fallis 
>> Subject: [freenet-support] error message
>> To: freenet 
>> Message-ID: <1217519763.6449.8.camel at robert-desktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> Julien this is the full error message I get
>>
>> An SSl exception has occered:java lang.RuntimeExection:Unexpected
>> Error.java security.I

Re: [freenet-support] Support Digest, Vol 35, Issue 1

[Ian Clarke]

Setting aside the fact that this guy is clearly an asshole, does
anyone understand what problem he is running into here?

Ian.

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Don Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The installer should not attempt an install if there's a serious problem.
>
> I don't see a fix for this and I've already got a "good" JVM, right
> from SUN. Still, I reinstalled JVM and freenet still fails.
>
> I've tried to install freenet several times on several machines over
> the last two years.
>
> My opinion is that it's total shite.
>
> It has never worked, and will never work.
>
> Back to TOR, which works...
>
> Goodbye Fakenet.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:00 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Send Support mailing list submissions to
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>>   1. Re: [Fwd: cannaot install] (robert fallis)
>>   2. Re: [Fwd: cannaot install] (Julien Cornuwel)
>>   3. Re: [Fwd: cannaot install] (robert fallis)
>>   4. error message (robert fallis)
>>   5. Re: [Fwd: cannaot install] (Julien Cornuwel)
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 13:38:17 +0100
>> From: robert fallis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] [Fwd: cannaot install]
>> To: support@freenetproject.org
>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 11:02 +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote:
>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> robert fallis a ?crit :
>>> | Java.IO. IO. exception  cannot run program " home/robert/freenet/bin/
>>> | install_updater.sh Io exception error13, permission denied
>>>
>>> It looks like a permission problem. Where are you trying to install the
>>> program ? You should check that your user as write and execute rights on
>>> the folder you specified.
>>  Julien.
>> have changed permission, but still no joy I have what seams to be a
>> partly installed system, I have tried to run the uninstaller but that
>> will not work, is there any way to uninstall. the stuff thats on the
>> computor. so that I can make a frash start,
>> regards
>> bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:00:16 +0200
>> From: Julien Cornuwel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] [Fwd: cannaot install]
>> To: support@freenetproject.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> robert fallis a ?crit :
>>
>>>  Julien.
>>> have changed permission, but still no joy I have what seams to be a
>>> partly installed system, I have tried to run the uninstaller but that
>>> will not work, is there any way to uninstall. the stuff thats on the
>>> computor. so that I can make a frash start,
>>> regards
>>> bob
>>
>> What operating system are you using ?
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)
>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
>>
>> iD8DBQFIkbdgmY5qNqKdYw0RAvvgAJ9gQ9h9/pkKTlm6lLthj0xa/33qWQCfc6jd
>> YUfV1ZXKhfnJ3hLCVJ7/GJU=
>> =9pVS
>> -END PGP SIGNATURE-
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:22:37 +0100
>> From: robert fallis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] [Fwd: cannaot install]
>> To: support@freenetproject.org
>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 15:00 +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote:
>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> robert fallis a ?crit :
>>>
>>> >  Julien.
>>> > have changed permission, but still no joy I have what seams to be a
>>> > partly installed system, I have tried to run the uninstaller but that
>>> > will not work, is there any way to uninstall. the stuff thats on the
>>> > computor. so that I can make a frash start,
>>> > regards
>>> > bob
>>>
>>> What operating system are you using ?
>>  Julien,
>> linux Kubuntu 8.04 lts
>>
>> regards
>> bob
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:56:03 +0100
>> From: robert fallis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: [freenet-support] error message
>> To: freenet 
>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> Julien this is the full error message I get
>>
>> An SSl exception has occered:java lang.RuntimeExection:Unexpected
>> Error.java security.InvalidAlgorithmParammeter Exception: the
>> 

[freenet-support] Cancel subscription payment

[Ian Clarke]

Steven,

I have cancelled your subscription.  Sorry for your misfortune, and
thanks for your support.

Ian.

On 10/8/07, Steven Hatfield  wrote:
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>
> Due to a loss of income from a downsized division, I will no longer
> be able to donate to the freenet project. Please cancel my
> subscription, which is under the "steven at knightswood.net" email address.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [freenet-support] Cancel subscription payment

[Ian Clarke]

Steven,

I have cancelled your subscription.  Sorry for your misfortune, and
thanks for your support.

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happensto be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no mainnetwork. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently issetup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting toeveryone else. That is not true.  Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups.Ian.  		 		Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. 		phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog  ___
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Ian Clarke]

On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote:
> Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens
> to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main
> network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is
> setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to
> everyone else.

That is not true.  Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global  
network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups.

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

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Please move this conversation to the chat mailing list, it really doesn't belong here.Ian.  		 		Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. 		phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog  ___
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

[Ian Clarke]

Please move this conversation to the chat mailing list, it really  
doesn't belong here.

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

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On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote:You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something about it.Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, and I think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant experience than the first world war.Ian.  		 		Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. 		phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog  ___
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[Ian Clarke]

On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote:
> You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something  
> about it.

Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it,  
and I think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant  
experience than the first world war.

Ian.


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Re: [freenet-support] 0.7 FProxy oddities

[Ian Clarke]

On 4 Apr 2006, at 21:12, Joel Salomon wrote:


On 4/5/06, Joel Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

What build did you see this in?


How do I tell?


Never mind, I found it -- #616.


Yeah, I think it was fixed in 620.

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[freenet-support] 0.7 FProxy oddities

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On 4 Apr 2006, at 21:12, Joel Salomon wrote:

> On 4/5/06, Joel Salomon  wrote:
>>> What build did you see this in?
>>
>> How do I tell?
>
> Never mind, I found it -- #616.

Yeah, I think it was fixed in 620.

Ian.

Re: [freenet-support] 0.7 FProxy oddities

[Ian Clarke]

Bug reports belong in the bug tracking system :-)

http://bugs.freenetproject.org/

What build did you see this in?  I think this one was supposed to  
have been fixed about 12 hours ago.


Ian.

On 4 Apr 2006, at 20:04, Joel Salomon wrote:


Bug report:

On occasion,  alternates between a
version of the page with much of the formatting removed and a CSS
file.  When this happens, reloading the page switches between the two.

--Joel
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[freenet-support] 0.7 FProxy oddities

[Ian Clarke]

Bug reports belong in the bug tracking system :-)

http://bugs.freenetproject.org/

What build did you see this in?  I think this one was supposed to  
have been fixed about 12 hours ago.

Ian.

On 4 Apr 2006, at 20:04, Joel Salomon wrote:

> Bug report:
>
> On occasion,  alternates between a
> version of the page with much of the formatting removed and a CSS
> file.  When this happens, reloading the page switches between the two.
>
> --Joel
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[freenet-support] Plan for 0.7a release - your help needed

[Ian Clarke]

Ok, the announcement text is looking good, but still needs more  
feedback, so please check it out:


  http://wiki.freenetproject.org/ZeroPointSevenAnnouncementDraft

The plan is to send this to the announcement mailing list, and add it  
to the news section of the website, probably mid-afternoon PST.


We also need installation to be as easy as possible, so if you  
haven't already tried 0.7 - please visit this web page:


  http://freenetproject.org/index.php?page=download-new

And let us know about any problems you encounter, or anything you  
feel could be vague, unclear, or counter-intuitive.


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[freenet-support] Plan for 0.7a release - your help needed

[Ian Clarke]

Ok, the announcement text is looking good, but still needs more  
feedback, so please check it out:

   http://wiki.freenetproject.org/ZeroPointSevenAnnouncementDraft

The plan is to send this to the announcement mailing list, and add it  
to the news section of the website, probably mid-afternoon PST.

We also need installation to be as easy as possible, so if you  
haven't already tried 0.7 - please visit this web page:

   http://freenetproject.org/index.php?page=download-new

And let us know about any problems you encounter, or anything you  
feel could be vague, unclear, or counter-intuitive.

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Re: [freenet-support] Disk cache

[Ian Clarke]

On 4/1/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm worried about freenet wearing out my drive prematurely from the constant
> disk access.

I don't think disk drives wear out that quickly, and lots of software
writes to the disk constantly.  That being said, the default log level
in testnet Freenet is set to MINOR, which will result in lots of
logging.  If you aren't running a testnet node, and you are concerned
about this, you may want to set this to NORMAL, although this will
make your bug reports less useful to us.

> I have a couple questions related to this:
>
> 1. Is there any support for disk caching that might be able to reduce
> disk accesses

Your operating system should take care of this, it isn't really
something within the realm of what Freenet can or should address.

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[freenet-support] Disk cache

[Ian Clarke]

On 4/1/06, van2 at vipmail.hu  wrote:
> I'm worried about freenet wearing out my drive prematurely from the constant
> disk access.

I don't think disk drives wear out that quickly, and lots of software
writes to the disk constantly.  That being said, the default log level
in testnet Freenet is set to MINOR, which will result in lots of
logging.  If you aren't running a testnet node, and you are concerned
about this, you may want to set this to NORMAL, although this will
make your bug reports less useful to us.

> I have a couple questions related to this:
>
> 1. Is there any support for disk caching that might be able to reduce
> disk accesses

Your operating system should take care of this, it isn't really
something within the realm of what Freenet can or should address.

Ian.

Re: [freenet-support] Thanks Matt

[Ian Clarke]

On 31 Mar 2006, at 20:08, John Meeks wrote:
This isn't about *technical* support, I just wanted to tell Matthew  
thanks
for working on this project.  The US government is really scaring  
me and

I'm glad someone's working on this.  You're doing a great job man.

One question I have is that the paypal balance on the home page  
usually
says something like a few hundred $, and I was wondering if it's  
actually
generating the required $2300 per month, or if it's falling short.   
I've
had a monthly donation set up for quite a while now, and I just  
want to

make sure everything is going well financially for the project.


We have been fortunate enough to generate just about enough to pay  
for Matthew for the past few years, but donations have been tailing  
off as we haven't put out any new releases in quite a while due to  
our work on 0.7, and the financial situation is actually quite  
precarious just now.


Our hope is that with the 0.7 alpha release we will get some  
donations, but if anyone can contribute, now would really be the time  
(as there can be no guarantee that the 0.7 alpha release will  
generate the level of publicity we have seen for previous releases).


Ian.
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[freenet-support] Thanks Matt

[Ian Clarke]

On 31 Mar 2006, at 20:08, John Meeks wrote:
> This isn't about *technical* support, I just wanted to tell Matthew  
> thanks
> for working on this project.  The US government is really scaring  
> me and
> I'm glad someone's working on this.  You're doing a great job man.
>
> One question I have is that the paypal balance on the home page  
> usually
> says something like a few hundred $, and I was wondering if it's  
> actually
> generating the required $2300 per month, or if it's falling short.   
> I've
> had a monthly donation set up for quite a while now, and I just  
> want to
> make sure everything is going well financially for the project.

We have been fortunate enough to generate just about enough to pay  
for Matthew for the past few years, but donations have been tailing  
off as we haven't put out any new releases in quite a while due to  
our work on 0.7, and the financial situation is actually quite  
precarious just now.

Our hope is that with the 0.7 alpha release we will get some  
donations, but if anyone can contribute, now would really be the time  
(as there can be no guarantee that the 0.7 alpha release will  
generate the level of publicity we have seen for previous releases).

Ian.

Re: [freenet-support] Error in Stable version

[Ian Clarke]

There are instructions for unsubscribing at the bottom of every email.

Ian.

On 27 Mar 2006, at 11:41, Tony Stevens wrote:



For God's Sake Man - FREENET is all about Privacy! There must be  
some way in hell that you can take me off of the mailing list?


Please I am tired of being flooded with freenet mail. Please, come  
on, help me out! I don't even use FREENET!!!



From: Sam Przyswa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org
To: FreeNet Support List 
Subject: [freenet-support] Error in Stable version
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:17:51 +0100

Hi,

I installed the latest Freenet-stable on my Debian (Kubuntu)  
machine, configure my freenet.conf as:


ipAddress=
listenPort=
seedNodes=seednodes.ref

and redirect  to my NATed machine from my NAT-router,  
start Freenet with the script start-freenet.sh but I get this  
error message in my freenet.log :


25-mar-06 4:02:54 (freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop, Network  
writing thread, ERROR): Exception in processConnections():  
java.lang.NullPointerException

java.lang.NullPointerException
at freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.processConnections 
(java.util.Set) (Unknown Source)

at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop() (Unknown Source)
at freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.run() (Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run() (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.0.0)
java.lang.NullPointerException
at freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.processConnections 
(java.util.Set) (Unknown Source)

at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop() (Unknown Source)
at freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.run() (Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run() (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.0.0)

I haven't upgrade yet.

What's wrong ?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Sam.

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[freenet-support] Error in Stable version

[Ian Clarke]

There are instructions for unsubscribing at the bottom of every email.

Ian.

On 27 Mar 2006, at 11:41, Tony Stevens wrote:

>
> For God's Sake Man - FREENET is all about Privacy! There must be  
> some way in hell that you can take me off of the mailing list?
>
> Please I am tired of being flooded with freenet mail. Please, come  
> on, help me out! I don't even use FREENET!!!
>
>> From: Sam Przyswa 
>> Reply-To: support at freenetproject.org
>> To: FreeNet Support List 
>> Subject: [freenet-support] Error in Stable version
>> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:17:51 +0100
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I installed the latest Freenet-stable on my Debian (Kubuntu)  
>> machine, configure my freenet.conf as:
>>
>> ipAddress=
>> listenPort=
>> seedNodes=seednodes.ref
>>
>> and redirect  to my NATed machine from my NAT-router,  
>> start Freenet with the script start-freenet.sh but I get this  
>> error message in my freenet.log :
>>
>> 25-mar-06 4:02:54 (freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop, Network  
>> writing thread, ERROR): Exception in processConnections():  
>> java.lang.NullPointerException
>> java.lang.NullPointerException
>> at freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.processConnections 
>> (java.util.Set) (Unknown Source)
>> at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop() (Unknown Source)
>> at freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.run() (Unknown Source)
>> at java.lang.Thread.run() (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.0.0)
>> java.lang.NullPointerException
>> at freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.processConnections 
>> (java.util.Set) (Unknown Source)
>> at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop() (Unknown Source)
>> at freenet.transport.WriteSelectorLoop.run() (Unknown Source)
>> at java.lang.Thread.run() (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.6.0.0)
>>
>> I haven't upgrade yet.
>>
>> What's wrong ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>
>> Sam.
>>
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[freenet-support] Re: Freenet Project

[Ian Clarke]

Sorry Dick, but I don't have time to solve your problems either -  
certainly not when you inform me about them in such a rude way.


In future, you might find when reporting bugs to people that you get  
a better response if you don't insult them in the process.


Ian.

On 25 Feb 2006, at 09:14, Richard Helms wrote:


Freenet Project:

Just wasted 30 minutes trying to install/run Freenet on Redhat EL4  
Desktop:


./start-freenet.sh
Detected freenet-ext.jar
Detected freenet.jar
Sun java detected.
Sun Java 1.4.2 detected.
Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m - 
XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m freenet.node.Main

Done
[EMAIL PROTECTED] freenet]$ Warning: -Xmx128m not understood.  
Ignoring.

Warning: -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m not understood. Ignoring.
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:  
freenet.node.Main

   at gnu.gcj.runtime.FirstThread.run() (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.5.0.0)
   at _Jv_ThreadRun(java.lang.Thread) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.5.0.0)
   at _Jv_RunMain(java.lang.Class, byte const, int, byte const,  
boolean) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.5.0.0)

   at __gcj_personality_v0 (/a/apps/freenet/java.version=1.4.2)
   at __libc_start_main (/lib/libc-2.3.4.so)
   at _Jv_RegisterClasses (/a/apps/freenet/java.version=1.4.2)

The above are serious errors in your code and put Freenet into the  
"broken" file for good. Every Java app I've installed works with no  
difficulty, and I really don't have time to debug it for you.


Goodbye,
Dick Helms

P.S. Your "web install" is Microsoft dummy-technology (really  
dumb), and reflects the overall IQ level of your developers. Are  
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[freenet-support] Re: Freenet Project

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Sorry Dick, but I don't have time to solve your problems either -  
certainly not when you inform me about them in such a rude way.

In future, you might find when reporting bugs to people that you get  
a better response if you don't insult them in the process.

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On 25 Feb 2006, at 09:14, Richard Helms wrote:

> Freenet Project:
>
> Just wasted 30 minutes trying to install/run Freenet on Redhat EL4  
> Desktop:
>
> ./start-freenet.sh
> Detected freenet-ext.jar
> Detected freenet.jar
> Sun java detected.
> Sun Java 1.4.2 detected.
> Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m - 
> XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m freenet.node.Main
> Done
> [willard at localhost freenet]$ Warning: -Xmx128m not understood.  
> Ignoring.
> Warning: -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m not understood. Ignoring.
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:  
> freenet.node.Main
>at gnu.gcj.runtime.FirstThread.run() (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.5.0.0)
>at _Jv_ThreadRun(java.lang.Thread) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.5.0.0)
>at _Jv_RunMain(java.lang.Class, byte const, int, byte const,  
> boolean) (/usr/lib/libgcj.so.5.0.0)
>at __gcj_personality_v0 (/a/apps/freenet/java.version=1.4.2)
>at __libc_start_main (/lib/libc-2.3.4.so)
>at _Jv_RegisterClasses (/a/apps/freenet/java.version=1.4.2)
>
> The above are serious errors in your code and put Freenet into the  
> "broken" file for good. Every Java app I've installed works with no  
> difficulty, and I really don't have time to debug it for you.
>
> Goodbye,
> Dick Helms
>
> P.S. Your "web install" is Microsoft dummy-technology (really  
> dumb), and reflects the overall IQ level of your developers. Are  
> you guys graduate students or what?
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Re: [freenet-support] traffic shaping

[Ian Clarke]

On 17 Feb 2006, at 22:51, Greg Steffenson wrote:

In what way is Tor centralized?  I was under the
impression that your traffic was routed through a
largely random sequence of Tor servers... is there
some communication with a central server in addition
to that?


Who gives you the list of Tor servers?

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[freenet-support] traffic shaping

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On 17 Feb 2006, at 22:51, Greg Steffenson wrote:
> In what way is Tor centralized?  I was under the
> impression that your traffic was routed through a
> largely random sequence of Tor servers... is there
> some communication with a central server in addition
> to that?

Who gives you the list of Tor servers?

Ian.

[freenet-support] seednodes.ref

[Ian Clarke]

I just filed bug #8:

   https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=8

We should distribute files from emu now that sourceforge is  
deliberately limiting the speed of download from their web servers.

To avoid any bandwidth crunch, we should link through Coral Cache  
(see http://coralcdn.com/).

Ian.

On 25 Oct 2005, at 14:08, Matthew Toseland wrote:

> Or even http://www.freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.zip
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 02:07:28PM +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:
>
>> Have you tried downloading the compressed version? It should download
>> faster...
>>
>> http://www.freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref.bz2
>>
>> If you can fetch that file, which you should be able to as it is  
>> small
>> and therefore hopefully won't be subject to sourceforge's excessive
>> throttling, unzip it using bzip2 or winrar, then put it in the  
>> directory
>> with the other files.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 11:57:39AM +0100, Just Adams wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _
>>> MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here.
>>> http://messenger.msn.co.uk
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> X-Originating-IP: [62.128.215.209]
>>> X-Originating-Email: [justadams at hotmail.co.uk]
>>> From: Just Adams 
>>> To: support at freenetsupport.org
>>> Bcc:
>>> Subject: seednodes.ref
>>> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2005 10:54:23.0299 (UTC)
>>> FILETIME=[75923930:01C5D952]
>>>
>>> Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft  
>>> SMTPSVC;
>>>  Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:54:23 -0700
>>> Message-ID: 
>>> Received: from 62.128.215.209 by by15fd.bay15.hotmail.msn.com  
>>> with HTTP;
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>>> X-Originating-IP: [62.128.215.209]
>>> X-Originating-Email: [justadams at hotmail.co.uk]
>>> X-Sender: justadams at hotmail.co.uk
>>> From: "Just Adams" 
>>> To: support at freenetsupport.org
>>> Bcc:
>>> Subject: seednodes.ref
>>> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:54:22 +0100
>>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>>> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2005 10:54:23.0299 (UTC)
>>> FILETIME=[75923930:01C5D952]
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have been trying to install but fail to download the ref file.  
>>> Can I find
>>> it and install it separately? If so could you provide a link for  
>>> me please.
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
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Re: [freenet-support] seednodes.ref

[Ian Clarke]

I just filed bug #8:

  https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=8

We should distribute files from emu now that sourceforge is  
deliberately limiting the speed of download from their web servers.


To avoid any bandwidth crunch, we should link through Coral Cache  
(see http://coralcdn.com/).


Ian.

On 25 Oct 2005, at 14:08, Matthew Toseland wrote:


Or even http://www.freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.zip

On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 02:07:28PM +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:


Have you tried downloading the compressed version? It should download
faster...

http://www.freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref.bz2

If you can fetch that file, which you should be able to as it is  
small

and therefore hopefully won't be subject to sourceforge's excessive
throttling, unzip it using bzip2 or winrar, then put it in the  
directory

with the other files.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 11:57:39AM +0100, Just Adams wrote:




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Hi,

I have been trying to install but fail to download the ref file.  
Can I find
it and install it separately? If so could you provide a link for  
me please.


Many thanks

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[freenet-support] V e r y s l o o o o o w download from freenetproject.org/snapshots

[Ian Clarke]

On 23 Oct 2005, at 18:38, m0rtal frei wrote:

> Hello Ian,
>
> Sunday, October 23, 2005, 4:47:19 PM, you wrote:
>
>
>> Yes, this is because sourceforge now deliberately slow down the
>> download of large files from their web servers.  We need to address
>> this but haven't got around to it yet.
>> Apologies for the inconvenience,
>
> You can use torrent, for example :)

The problem isn't lack of available bandwidth, Sourceforge has  
plenty, it is that they deliberately slow down downloads from their  
web servers as they want people to use their file release system.

We need to investigate whether we can use this in an automated way,  
if not, we can probably just distribute from our own server for the  
time being.

Ian.

Re: Re[2]: [freenet-support] V e r y s l o o o o o w download from freenetproject.org/snapshots

[Ian Clarke]

On 23 Oct 2005, at 18:38, m0rtal frei wrote:


Hello Ian,

Sunday, October 23, 2005, 4:47:19 PM, you wrote:



Yes, this is because sourceforge now deliberately slow down the
download of large files from their web servers.  We need to address
this but haven't got around to it yet.
Apologies for the inconvenience,


You can use torrent, for example :)


The problem isn't lack of available bandwidth, Sourceforge has  
plenty, it is that they deliberately slow down downloads from their  
web servers as they want people to use their file release system.


We need to investigate whether we can use this in an automated way,  
if not, we can probably just distribute from our own server for the  
time being.


Ian.

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[freenet-support] V e r y s l o o o o o w download from freenetproject.org/snapshots

[Ian Clarke]

Yes, this is because sourceforge now deliberately slow down the  
download of large files from their web servers.  We need to address  
this but haven't got around to it yet.

Apologies for the inconvenience,

Ian.

On 22 Oct 2005, at 17:23, Kevin Bennett wrote:

> Trying to update to the latest node version by doing what I've done  
> before,
> i.e. downloading freenet-latest.jar from freenetproject.org/ 
> snapshots but
> it's only arriving at 200B/s (Yes, B/s, not KB/s, I didn't miss out  
> the K).
> This is slower than downloading a file from Freenet itself :-)
>
> Something wrong with the server?
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Re: [freenet-support] V e r y s l o o o o o w download from freenetproject.org/snapshots

[Ian Clarke]

Yes, this is because sourceforge now deliberately slow down the  
download of large files from their web servers.  We need to address  
this but haven't got around to it yet.


Apologies for the inconvenience,

Ian.

On 22 Oct 2005, at 17:23, Kevin Bennett wrote:

Trying to update to the latest node version by doing what I've done  
before,
i.e. downloading freenet-latest.jar from freenetproject.org/ 
snapshots but
it's only arriving at 200B/s (Yes, B/s, not KB/s, I didn't miss out  
the K).

This is slower than downloading a file from Freenet itself :-)

Something wrong with the server?


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[freenet-support] HELP HELP HELP IM BEGGING

[Ian Clarke]

You should be able to remove Freenet through the Add/Remove Programs  
part of the Control Panel, Freenet will be one of the items listed  
there.

A more crude way to remove it would be to delete the C:\Program Files 
\Freenet folder from your hard disk, although the first option is  
better.

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> Dear FreeNet People
>
> My son has downloaded FreeNet onto my work laptop after seeing  
> something
> on a BBC News24 programme about it.
>  While I agree with the freedom that you promote I will be sacked  
> from my
> job if any unauthorised programmes are found on my works laptop. I  
> cant say
> what I do, but they get real funny about these kind of things. Not  
> to mention
> that my son was able to access my laptop. Bless him and he was only  
> trying
> to do something nice for me. The problem is that I cannot find ANY  
> information
> about how to uninstall it. It does not show up on the programmes  
> list in
> my control panel, I am running XP by the way. I have tried to  
> subscribe to
> the bulletin board in order to be able to see the answer to this  
> question
>  but the link does not work so I only hope someone reads this and  
> gets back
> to me. My email is nickr72 at tiscali.co.uk .  I really badly need  
> some help,
> from anyone. Many thanks in advance.
>
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Re: [freenet-support] HELP HELP HELP IM BEGGING

[Ian Clarke]

You should be able to remove Freenet through the Add/Remove Programs  
part of the Control Panel, Freenet will be one of the items listed  
there.


A more crude way to remove it would be to delete the C:\Program Files 
\Freenet folder from your hard disk, although the first option is  
better.


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On 6 Oct 2005, at 18:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Dear FreeNet People

My son has downloaded FreeNet onto my work laptop after seeing  
something

on a BBC News24 programme about it.
 While I agree with the freedom that you promote I will be sacked  
from my
job if any unauthorised programmes are found on my works laptop. I  
cant say
what I do, but they get real funny about these kind of things. Not  
to mention
that my son was able to access my laptop. Bless him and he was only  
trying
to do something nice for me. The problem is that I cannot find ANY  
information
about how to uninstall it. It does not show up on the programmes  
list in
my control panel, I am running XP by the way. I have tried to  
subscribe to
the bulletin board in order to be able to see the answer to this  
question
 but the link does not work so I only hope someone reads this and  
gets back
to me. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] .  I really badly need  
some help,

from anyone. Many thanks in advance.

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[freenet-support] Re: Revver.com activation email

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Hi Steve,

Sorry you are having problems, we still have a number of usability  
issues to work out.  One of these is that if you are using Safari,  
due to a page rendering bug, the link to the upload client is  
obscured, but you can find it here:

   http://revver.com/downloadClient/

This issue is in our bugtracker, and will be fixed as soon as we can.

Kind regards,

Ian.

On 6 Oct 2005, at 20:22, Steve Jurvetson wrote:

> How do I get the client?  When I click Upload, its says I need the  
> client but does not tell me how.  Do you have a URL?  Does it work  
> on the Mac?
>
> Steve
> Draper Fisher Jurvetson
> http://www.DFJ.com
> Note: new phone 650-233-9000
>
> (Sent via wireless thumbmail so I must be brief)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Revver.com, Inc 
> To: Steve Jurvetson 
> Sent: Wed Oct 05 14:03:18 2005
> Subject: Revver.com activation email
>
>
>
> Welcome jurvetson! Thanks for creating a Revver.com account and  
> welcome to our
> community!
>
> Your password is: zok18wod. To activate your account, click on this  
> link:
> http://revver.com/activate?id=jef53cihgum10rosyag36bor
>
>  We hope you enjoy using Revver. Please let us know if you have  
> any
> problems-- you can write to us anytime at: support at revver.com.
>
>  - the Revver team
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Hi Steve,Sorry you are having problems, we still have a number of usability issues to work out.  One of these is that if you are using Safari, due to a page rendering bug, the link to the upload client is obscured, but you can find it here:  http://revver.com/downloadClient/This issue is in our bugtracker, and will be fixed as soon as we can.Kind regards,Ian.On 6 Oct 2005, at 20:22, Steve Jurvetson wrote:  How do I get the client?  When I click Upload, its says I need the client but does not tell me how.  Do you have a URL?  Does it work on the Mac?  Steve Draper Fisher Jurvetson http://www.DFJ.com Note: new phone 650-233-9000  (Sent via wireless thumbmail so I must be brief)  -Original Message- From: Revver.com, Inc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Steve Jurvetson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wed Oct 05 14:03:18 2005 Subject: Revver.com activation emailWelcome jurvetson! Thanks for creating a Revver.com account and welcome to our community!  Your password is: zok18wod. To activate your account, click on this link: http://revver.com/activate?id=jef53cihgum10rosyag36bor   We hope you enjoy using Revver. Please let us know if you have any problems-- you can write to us anytime at: [EMAIL PROTECTED].   - the Revver team___
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[freenet-support] Does Freenet use pre-mix/onion routing yet?

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Pre-mix routing will be introduced after 0.7, but will not be  
supported in 0.7.0 (the first release in the 0.7 series).  It will  
likely be implemented once the initial 0.7 releases are stable.

Ian.

On 3 Oct 2005, at 14:01, Duana Saskia STANLEY wrote:

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> I am 90% sure it doesn't and that pre-mix routing was supposed to  
> be introduced in 0.7.  I've read the dev notes and some tech emails  
> which suggest it may not be implemented after all.
>
> My friend thinks its in use with the current version of freenet.
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> So, could you please confirm whether it is currently implemented  
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Re: [freenet-support] Does Freenet use pre-mix/onion routing yet?

[Ian Clarke]

Pre-mix routing will be introduced after 0.7, but will not be  
supported in 0.7.0 (the first release in the 0.7 series).  It will  
likely be implemented once the initial 0.7 releases are stable.


Ian.

On 3 Oct 2005, at 14:01, Duana Saskia STANLEY wrote:



I am 90% sure it doesn't and that pre-mix routing was supposed to  
be introduced in 0.7.  I've read the dev notes and some tech emails  
which suggest it may not be implemented after all.


My friend thinks its in use with the current version of freenet.

So, could you please confirm whether it is currently implemented  
and if not, what the vauge plans for it are?  (Is it still on the  
"roadmap"?)


Thanks.

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[freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

[Ian Clarke]

On 20 Sep 2005, at 14:08, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 12:58:44PM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
>> On 20 Sep 2005, at 11:33, Matthew Toseland wrote:
>>>> Well, if that would truly be the topology then the alternative is
>>>> "clusters of isolated dark nodes", which is worse?
>>>
>>> There would be no real reason to grow the darknet, that's the
>>> point. If
>>> the only way to connect (easily) is by growing the darknet, it will
>>> grow.
>>>
>>
>> So you propose to force people to run darknet nodes even though they
>> might be quite satisfied to use the opennet?  I don't believe in
>> forcing users to do things against their will.
>>
>
> Eh? I don't understand. If they want to use the opennet, they can use
> the opennet.

Yeah, but then they can't be part of the darknet.  You are saying to  
people: "I'm sorry, you can only connect to people you trust, you  
aren't allowed to connect to strangers".  If the user wants to  
connect to strangers, and those strangers are happy to connect to  
them, then it is futile for us to try to prevent it.

>>>>> The result of which is that it does not tell
>>>>> us anything about the viability of the global darknet. And WHEN,
>>>>> not if,
>>>>> the opennet is compromized, there is no global darknet. Just a few
>>>>> disconnected nodes.
>>>>
>>>> If you truly believe that dark nodes would be in small isolated
>>>> pockets, then what makes you believe that a pure-darknet is  
>>>> viable at
>>>> all without open nodes to glue it together?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe people would make the effort to grow the darknet if
>>> they
>>> are connected by open nodes. And furthermore, if they are  
>>> connected by
>>> open nodes, it tells us nothing whatsoever about the viability of a
>>> fully dark network.
>>>
>>
>> People get a choice.  If people chose to leave their nodes open, then
>> so be it.  It isn't our place to force people to do one thing or the
>> other.
>
> In which case the whole experiment will have been totally  
> pointless, and
> there will be NOTHING to build on in the future, because we won't have
> actually prototyped the globally scalable darknet.

Perhaps according to your definition of "darknet" we won't, but my  
definition of "darknet" includes the choice to connect to strangers  
if the user is willing to take that risk.

What you don't seem to realise is that we don't get to choose whether  
or not people will connect to each-other indiscriminately, many  
people will regardless of what we say to them.  We will see "Freenet  
matchmaking" websites set up that will probably ruin the network's  
topology as they will have no regard for the requirements of a small  
world network.

The best option is to offer people the choice, and if they want an  
open node, then at least we can ensure that it won't screw up the  
small world topology.

Sure, we might not know for sure whether it could have worked in a  
"pure" trusted-link network, but who cares so long as it works in a  
realistic scenario which is a mixture of open and dark nodes?

Ian.

[freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

[Ian Clarke]

On 20 Sep 2005, at 11:33, Matthew Toseland wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 11:12:40AM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
>
>> On 20 Sep 2005, at 10:56, Matthew Toseland wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Which reduces "globally scalable darknet" to "clusters of dark nodes
>>> hanging off the opennet".
>>>
>>
>> Well, if that would truly be the topology then the alternative is
>> "clusters of isolated dark nodes", which is worse?
>>
>
> There would be no real reason to grow the darknet, that's the  
> point. If
> the only way to connect (easily) is by growing the darknet, it will
> grow.

So you propose to force people to run darknet nodes even though they  
might be quite satisfied to use the opennet?  I don't believe in  
forcing users to do things against their will.

>>> The result of which is that it does not tell
>>> us anything about the viability of the global darknet. And WHEN,
>>> not if,
>>> the opennet is compromized, there is no global darknet. Just a few
>>> disconnected nodes.
>>
>> If you truly believe that dark nodes would be in small isolated
>> pockets, then what makes you believe that a pure-darknet is viable at
>> all without open nodes to glue it together?
>
> I don't believe people would make the effort to grow the darknet if  
> they
> are connected by open nodes. And furthermore, if they are connected by
> open nodes, it tells us nothing whatsoever about the viability of a
> fully dark network.

People get a choice.  If people chose to leave their nodes open, then  
so be it.  It isn't our place to force people to do one thing or the  
other.

Ian.

[freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

[Ian Clarke]

On 20 Sep 2005, at 10:56, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 10:55:12AM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
>
>> On 19 Sep 2005, at 16:54, Matthew Toseland wrote:
>>
>>> It is IMHO strategically vital that we can test the network as a  
>>> pure
>>> darknet. We will need an opennet as well, because we need to have
>>> something for people to download from freenetproject.org.
>>>
>>
>> I see no reason for there to be a separate opennet and darknet.  We
>> have open nodes and dark nodes within a single network.
>>
>> Having two separate networks will simply confuse our userbase and
>> reduce the utility of the network for everyone.
>>
>
> Which reduces "globally scalable darknet" to "clusters of dark nodes
> hanging off the opennet".

Well, if that would truly be the topology then the alternative is  
"clusters of isolated dark nodes", which is worse?

> The result of which is that it does not tell
> us anything about the viability of the global darknet. And WHEN,  
> not if,
> the opennet is compromized, there is no global darknet. Just a few
> disconnected nodes.

If you truly believe that dark nodes would be in small isolated  
pockets, then what makes you believe that a pure-darknet is viable at  
all without open nodes to glue it together?

Ian.

[freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

[Ian Clarke]

On 19 Sep 2005, at 16:54, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> It is IMHO strategically vital that we can test the network as a pure
> darknet. We will need an opennet as well, because we need to have
> something for people to download from freenetproject.org.

I see no reason for there to be a separate opennet and darknet.  We  
have open nodes and dark nodes within a single network.

Having two separate networks will simply confuse our userbase and  
reduce the utility of the network for everyone.

Ian.

Re: [freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

[Ian Clarke]

On 20 Sep 2005, at 14:08, Matthew Toseland wrote:

On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 12:58:44PM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:

On 20 Sep 2005, at 11:33, Matthew Toseland wrote:

Well, if that would truly be the topology then the alternative is
"clusters of isolated dark nodes", which is worse?


There would be no real reason to grow the darknet, that's the
point. If
the only way to connect (easily) is by growing the darknet, it will
grow.



So you propose to force people to run darknet nodes even though they
might be quite satisfied to use the opennet?  I don't believe in
forcing users to do things against their will.



Eh? I don't understand. If they want to use the opennet, they can use
the opennet.


Yeah, but then they can't be part of the darknet.  You are saying to  
people: "I'm sorry, you can only connect to people you trust, you  
aren't allowed to connect to strangers".  If the user wants to  
connect to strangers, and those strangers are happy to connect to  
them, then it is futile for us to try to prevent it.



The result of which is that it does not tell
us anything about the viability of the global darknet. And WHEN,
not if,
the opennet is compromized, there is no global darknet. Just a few
disconnected nodes.


If you truly believe that dark nodes would be in small isolated
pockets, then what makes you believe that a pure-darknet is  
viable at

all without open nodes to glue it together?



I don't believe people would make the effort to grow the darknet if
they
are connected by open nodes. And furthermore, if they are  
connected by

open nodes, it tells us nothing whatsoever about the viability of a
fully dark network.



People get a choice.  If people chose to leave their nodes open, then
so be it.  It isn't our place to force people to do one thing or the
other.


In which case the whole experiment will have been totally  
pointless, and

there will be NOTHING to build on in the future, because we won't have
actually prototyped the globally scalable darknet.


Perhaps according to your definition of "darknet" we won't, but my  
definition of "darknet" includes the choice to connect to strangers  
if the user is willing to take that risk.


What you don't seem to realise is that we don't get to choose whether  
or not people will connect to each-other indiscriminately, many  
people will regardless of what we say to them.  We will see "Freenet  
matchmaking" websites set up that will probably ruin the network's  
topology as they will have no regard for the requirements of a small  
world network.


The best option is to offer people the choice, and if they want an  
open node, then at least we can ensure that it won't screw up the  
small world topology.


Sure, we might not know for sure whether it could have worked in a  
"pure" trusted-link network, but who cares so long as it works in a  
realistic scenario which is a mixture of open and dark nodes?


Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

[Ian Clarke]

On 20 Sep 2005, at 11:33, Matthew Toseland wrote:


On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 11:12:40AM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:


On 20 Sep 2005, at 10:56, Matthew Toseland wrote:



Which reduces "globally scalable darknet" to "clusters of dark nodes
hanging off the opennet".



Well, if that would truly be the topology then the alternative is
"clusters of isolated dark nodes", which is worse?



There would be no real reason to grow the darknet, that's the  
point. If

the only way to connect (easily) is by growing the darknet, it will
grow.


So you propose to force people to run darknet nodes even though they  
might be quite satisfied to use the opennet?  I don't believe in  
forcing users to do things against their will.



The result of which is that it does not tell
us anything about the viability of the global darknet. And WHEN,
not if,
the opennet is compromized, there is no global darknet. Just a few
disconnected nodes.


If you truly believe that dark nodes would be in small isolated
pockets, then what makes you believe that a pure-darknet is viable at
all without open nodes to glue it together?


I don't believe people would make the effort to grow the darknet if  
they

are connected by open nodes. And furthermore, if they are connected by
open nodes, it tells us nothing whatsoever about the viability of a
fully dark network.


People get a choice.  If people chose to leave their nodes open, then  
so be it.  It isn't our place to force people to do one thing or the  
other.


Ian.

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Re: [freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

[Ian Clarke]

On 20 Sep 2005, at 10:56, Matthew Toseland wrote:

On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 10:55:12AM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:


On 19 Sep 2005, at 16:54, Matthew Toseland wrote:

It is IMHO strategically vital that we can test the network as a  
pure

darknet. We will need an opennet as well, because we need to have
something for people to download from freenetproject.org.



I see no reason for there to be a separate opennet and darknet.  We
have open nodes and dark nodes within a single network.

Having two separate networks will simply confuse our userbase and
reduce the utility of the network for everyone.



Which reduces "globally scalable darknet" to "clusters of dark nodes
hanging off the opennet".


Well, if that would truly be the topology then the alternative is  
"clusters of isolated dark nodes", which is worse?



The result of which is that it does not tell
us anything about the viability of the global darknet. And WHEN,  
not if,

the opennet is compromized, there is no global darknet. Just a few
disconnected nodes.


If you truly believe that dark nodes would be in small isolated  
pockets, then what makes you believe that a pure-darknet is viable at  
all without open nodes to glue it together?


Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] Integration in 0.7

[Ian Clarke]

On 19 Sep 2005, at 16:54, Matthew Toseland wrote:

It is IMHO strategically vital that we can test the network as a pure
darknet. We will need an opennet as well, because we need to have
something for people to download from freenetproject.org.


I see no reason for there to be a separate opennet and darknet.  We  
have open nodes and dark nodes within a single network.


Having two separate networks will simply confuse our userbase and  
reduce the utility of the network for everyone.


Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] Opera 8 and Anonyminity warning

[Ian Clarke]

Here is the response I sent separately:

I didn't discover the Opera problem, but the general issue is that  
Freenet can't send data to a web browser unless it knows what the web  
browser will do with it, otherwise the web browser could do something  
that would compromise your anonymity (such as connect to a remote web  
server without going through Freenet).  For this reason Freenet  
limits the mime-types that can be sent to the browser.


Internet Explorer, and apparently Opera attempt to guess mime-types  
for some types of data in a way that Freenet can't reasonably  
anticipate, and thus for a given object Freenet may not be able to  
determine whether it is safe to send it to the browser.


If Opera no-longer does this, or if there is some reasonable way to  
guarantee that Opera will treat a given piece of data as the mime- 
type specified in the HTTP headers (without Freenet needing to do an  
unreasonable analysis of the data itself), then this information is  
no-longer correct and we will update Freenet accordingly.



On 14 Jun 2005, at 15:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Could someone explain what you mean by Opera by default breaking
anonymity? No one on the Opera forums has any idea what you  
mean, nor

how mime type guessing could be an issue.

Also, your instructions are
not updated for Opera 8, as the preferences Option (and likely  
behavior)
is no longer the same - well the preferences option just isn't  
there in

the new dialogs.

For reference (feel free to respond in the Opera
forums as lots of members are curious now)
http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php? 
s=&postid=960874#post960874



Thanks,

jp10558
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Re: [freenet-support] docs for x86_64 ?

[Ian Clarke]

On 29 Dec 2004, at 22:44, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
By the way, I tried going to dodo.freenetproject.org and was greeted by
"Placeholder for lawtracker.org website"
What's lawtracker.org ?
Its a project I started which, unfortunately, hasn't yet got off the 
ground.

As was pointed out by someone else, the idea is described here:
 http://slashdot.org/~Sanity/journal/74880
Ian.
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Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of the project

[Ian Clarke]

On 1 Dec 2004, at 10:05, Newsbyte wrote:
> Now, may I ask you if you feel I have helped/supported you with my 
posts? I
ask that, because I just got emailed by Ian saying he kicked me out of 
the
project (well, at least he disabled my freenetproject account)
I wasn't aware that you were ever "in" the project to be kicked out of 
it (whatever being "in" the project means).  Very few people have 
@freenetproject.org email addresses, you got one because you asked for 
it and because you said it would help you raise donations for the 
project.

So far as I can see you no longer even use it, so I don't see why you 
are whining about losing something that many people who have made a 
much more significant contribution to the project than you have never 
even asked for.

 because of my
first post to you. It seems he did not think it belonged in support, 
but ah,
we all know it has more to do with him having difficulties to cope 
with the
critisism I  give on the current performance and developmentprocess of
Freenet. Which is often sarcastic, true, but he should have the 
maturity to
keep his personal feelings of being annoyed/agitated out of the 
project.
I have no problem whatsoever with criticism, but I do have a problem 
when it is expressed in a sarcastic and personal manner.  You have a 
right to say whatever you want, but I have a right not to endorse your 
opinions by giving you a project email address that you don't need and 
don't use.

He asks me why that I should explain "the *support* mailing list is
consistent with you having an email address that implies you are a 
part of
this project" but at the same time says I shouldn't bother because all 
what
I send goes directly into the bin anyhow - again not very mature.
There is nothing mature or immature about my decision to ignore you, it 
is my personal preference based on the observation that most of what 
you say isn't very useful, and that it is generally expressed with 
extremely poor spelling and without bothering to follow even the most 
rudimentary email conventions.

 For a
libertarian as he claims to be, this is rather spicious reasoning.
When did I claim to be a libertarian, how is my not endorsing your 
emails in any way anti-libertarian, and what does "spicious" mean?

1)First of all, being part of the project isn't just a matter of 
making a
post on the correct list, or not. (or, the real reason: being 
sarcastic and
critical of Freenet or not).
No, being a part of this or any project is about constructive 
criticism, but not sarcastic and personal criticism directed at those 
who have contributed far more to the project than you have.

2)Being part of a project is, obviously, also derived from whether you 
do
something for the project or not. So what did I do for the project? I 
have
sought and found sponsors,
Yes you have, and I am grateful to those sponsors, and to you for 
finding them, but note that the total amount raised was less than 
numerous individual donations the project has received.  This was also 
quite some time ago.

3)The main premise, that the post in question was not helpful or 
supportive,
is debatable. Clearly Ian doesn't think so, but that doesn't mean the 
newbie
that I responded to thinks the same. It's rather subjective, but it 
wasn't
Ian asking support, so he should not presume to know whether it was or 
not.
(but again, we all know the real reason).
The portion of your comment which the poster found to be helpful was 
not the portion that I objected to.  Please explain what this means and 
its relevance on a mailing list intended to help new users learn how to 
use Freenet.  Also, please explain what you are implying by suggesting 
that he ask Matthew and I.

Frustrating? Can't be! It has much improved, *much* I say. If you don't
believe me, ask toad and Ian!Even the simulations say so! We have NIO 
and
NGR now, so things definately have improved for noobs like you, 
whatever you
may think about it yourself

If I were to react so childish, I would have to say: well, if I'm not 
part
of the project anymore, why should I keep freenethelp up, why 
shouldn't I
revert all my changes to the website back, why should I do anything 
else?
But such things are childish tit-for-tat reasonings, and I am not 
going for
such a thing.
Yes, you are never childish...
Frustrating? Can't be! It has much improved, *much* I say. If you don't
believe me, ask toad and Ian!Even the simulations say so! We have NIO 
and
NGR now, so things definately have improved for noobs like you, 
whatever you
may think about it yourself
...oops, finger must have slipped on the paste button there, careless 
me :-)

If you don't like what I say, then say so, or ignore me; things a
libertarian would do.
I do both.
 Fighting for free speech but at the same time kicking
someone out because you can't cope with what he says seems more then a 
bit
contradictory to me, frankly.
Ok, now I am going to say this real slow since you are obviously having 
trouble u

Re: [freenet-support] Re: Support Digest, Vol 16, Issue 19

[Ian Clarke]

I am glad that you are happy, but what relevance does this have to the  
Freenet support mailing list?

Ian.
On 26 Nov 2004, at 13:47, Michael wrote:
I jumped the Freenet ship over a month ago and swam to the easy safety
of Entropy.  Maybe not all the content but hey, it works and works and
doesn't need updates of anything(java or otherwise), it is consistent,
fast, and I don't have to maintain, re-maintain, shutdown, restart,
reconfigure, renothing to keep it going, plus, no bickering on the  
chats
over what is the problem du jour with the networks or nodes.
Danke.
I may return to check out Freenet some day.  Marginally possible.

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"I've been getting TFE fine, but I haven't been able to load FIND for  
almost
a
week.  The lists are pretty silent lately, as well.  Conspiracy  
theory,
anyone?"

No, the explanation is simply this, that many active (meaning formerly
inserting/posting) Freenetters have gone over to i2p. Not only do you  
see
icons such as thetower guy there, but a lot of other ex-freenetters,  
some of
which still didn't leave Freenet completely (like me).

I've been pointing that out in the irc chan too, but I got slapped on  
the
wrist for it. aparently, saying the obvious is 'not done'. For the  
first
time, Freenet has some serious competition, and it's not performing  
well,
speaking in a darwinian sense. As yet, it doesn't seem to affect  
finances
that much, but once you start to lose interest and people go to  
another
(promising) I2P, that can't be far away.

I have said many times before that there is a lack of progress, or at  
least
a sense of progress, certainly for the ordinary freenet user (and, in  
fact,
for the end-user there HAS been little progress). The development  
cycle of
Freenet is NOT normal, not even for a new-technology-beta. It seems  
that
Freenet is performing better...but  compared to what? To how it was a  
year
ago? No doubt, back then it was totally bork. It's a pitty we don't  
have
performance testing logs, but I suspect that it's now about as good  
as it
was 2 years ago...hmmm. Yesyes, I know a lot of technological goodies  
have
been added, but that doesn't interest Joe Doe: he just wants it to  
work, and
good. That means, primarely; finding something he wants, and d/l it  
fast,
and, seen the fact it's freenet, in a safe manner.

Freenet doesn't do all that.
Now, granted, though I have been pleasantly surprised, neither does  
I2P, as
yet. But the difference is, they are working 4 months on it, and have  
come a
long way and  they *are*  improving dramatically. With that pace they  
are
gaining support rapidly, as already can be seen (and that's why it has
suddenly become more quiet on the posts, and Freesites are less and  
less
being updated). The moment the DHT is ready, Freenet will not offer  
anything
en plus, practically speaking.

Now, I'm ambigous about this all. In theory, competition is a good
thing...only it doesn't seem to have any impact, here. It's mostly  
being
ignored, and when someone points it out, it's not welcomed.  
Furthermore, I
don't think two main anonymity projects can be maintained by the OSS  
crowd,
at least not the way it is done now. what is taken by one is at the  
loss of
the other one, and vice versa, me thinks.

That's why, in a former post, I tried to stimulate both parties to  
try to
merge their technology and forces...but to no apparent avail. Is it  
that
difficult to see that both projects have specific advantages, that  
would or
at least could benefit both? Geez. Freenet has potential, it still  
has, but
it just lays there as a dead horse, and i2p is has great ease-to-use
promise, but still has to prove some basic things, like being able to  
scale
(not that Freenet is out of the loop with that one neither).

Anyways, when I pointed t

Re: [freenet-support] need HELP

[Ian Clarke]

On 10 Nov 2004, at 07:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
also i have a website with losta files and stuff and it is in BT
but i am worried about getting tracked and caught so i am trying to
make this switch... so i need to know how to seed to... if someone
has a step by step guide on EVERYTHING please let me know
If files are your thing, you might do better to check out I2P:
http://www.i2p.net/
I2P is an interesting and worthwhile project, but the Freenet support 
mailing list is not the appropriate place to advertise it, particularly 
when the advertisement is justified by debatable claims.

Freenet is not well suited to sharing lots of files.  There's a 
BitTorrent
set-up in the works for I2P as well.
I disagree, with FEC Freenet is, or should be, well suited to 
distribution of large files - in the past I have seen 90kb/sec download 
rates on large files, which is 3-4 times faster than I typically get 
with BitTorrent, although I haven't tried a large file download off 
Freenet in recent months.

I don't know what the status of I2P is, and this support list is not 
the place for advocacy anyway (for Freenet or I2P), but last I heard I 
wasn't aware that it had any distributed caching functionality.  
Freenet has had such functionality for years.

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet with fedora core 2 ?

[Ian Clarke]

On 8 Nov 2004, at 10:59, Mika Hirvonen wrote:
After that, it's relatively smooth sailing. Add the following lines to 
/etc/yum.conf:

[freenet]
name=Freenet
baseurl=http://nightwatch.mine.nu/freenet/stable/
gpgcheck=0
I had no idea someone had done this - we should link to this from the 
main Freenet site as soon as I confirm that these are kept reasonably 
up-to-date.

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Re: [freenet-support] Announce Digest: Virus?

[Ian Clarke]

If you want to ask me a question then send me an email, what relevance  
does this have to the support mailing list?

But for your future reference, forging the from headers in emails is  
trivially easy and that is what this virus has obviously done, most  
viruses do.

Ian.
On 4 Nov 2004, at 19:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is the message sent to the announce list just a virus?  Are you using  
Outlook
Express, Ian?  *snicker*

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Re: [freenet-support] Virus found in Freenet Update

[Ian Clarke]

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On 27 Aug 2004, at 23:37, Toad wrote:
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 08:38:01AM +0200, Daniel Dreschers wrote:
I tried updateing Freenet to 5092 this morning.
After downloading the webinstaller with the update function, my
anti-virus program (McAfee Virusscan) says there is a
'Downloader-OG'-Virus in the file.
Which file exactly? freenet.jar? A virus that infects jar files is
possible, but it lurking on dodo is somewhat implausible.
http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/encyclopedia/overview.aspx? 
idvirus=50445

Says downloader.OG is Windows-specific. This suggests it can't possibly
have infected a JAR file. Okay, WHICH FILE did it report was infected?
It sounds like it has infected the .exe, not the .jar file.  This needs  
to be addressed urgently if it is true.

Ian.
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[freenet-support] Moved to chat: Showdown at the Freenode Coral

[Ian Clarke]

This discussion is now continuing on the chat mailing list as it is not 
really appropriate for support.  Please post any further follow-ups 
there.

Ian.
On 6 Aug 2004, at 15:29, vinyl1 wrote:
I suggest we not give Mr. Findley a hard time.  He is an honorable 
guy, and is telling us what the law is, not what a bunch of Unix geeks 
think it ought to be.
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Re: [freenet-support] RE: anonymity(NOT)

[Ian Clarke]

On 5 Aug 2004, at 04:42, Matthew Findley wrote:
Let me put it this way.
When you all fire up your nodes you know there is a very strong 
likelyhood that it will end up houseing and transmiting illegal 
material, correct?
So you know your computer will be doing something illegal and yet 
choose to do it anyway simply because you can not see it.  That is 
willful blindness and is not a defense that will stand up in court.
If that was true then the postal system would be in trouble, since I am 
sure most people within the USPS acknowledge that illegal materials 
(such as child pornography) are probably transmitted through the postal 
system, yet they do not open every letter and every package to prevent 
this from occurring, nor are they expected to.

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] anonymity(NOT)

[Ian Clarke]

On 5 Aug 2004, at 01:48, Toad wrote:
On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 01:44:37AM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
On 5 Aug 2004, at 01:39, Toad wrote:
The problem is that ignorance is indeed a goal in itself on Freenet.
It's part of its very basic design features.
Same is true of the postal system (otherwise they would mandate that
everything is written on postcards).
Freenet is DESIGNED to actively thwart attempts to find the authors.
This is a fundamental design goal. It is a motive. Whereas the postal
system simply doesn't care one way or the other.
The postal system is specifically designed to prevent itself from 
reading what is being posted, this, for example, is why it is illegal 
to read someone else's mail in many countries.

 In fact, right now,
Freenet is so slow that only perverts and geeks use it. Or so it would
be argued.
Being a geek is illegal now?
In any case, I don't see any reason to think that Freenet is illegal
under current US or UK law. Whereas I see every reason to expect it to
be criminalized under INDUCE - which is designed to make it easy to
criminalize things like Freenet. However IANAL, and my opinions are
based on third party analysis of INDUCE by somebody who is probably
merely a law student or interested bystander.
I have seen enough lawyers being completely wrong enough times to trust 
my own judgment on the law before I blindly trust that of a lawyer.  At 
the end of the day, law is just a very long and rather inconsistent 
instruction manual, it isn't beyond the comprehensive abilities of we 
mere mortals, must as many lawyers would like us to think that it is.

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] anonymity(NOT)

[Ian Clarke]

On 5 Aug 2004, at 01:43, Toad wrote:
Which feature of Freenet is *intended* to toward the efforts of
copyright holders to enforce copyright law?
All of Freenet is intended to thwart those who want to eliminate 
content
on Freenet, and eliminate the contributors and requestors of that
content.
Not the same thing.  Freenet thwarts copyright law because Freenet 
ensures freedom of communication, and ultimately copyright law is 
incompatible with that.

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] anonymity(NOT)

[Ian Clarke]

On 5 Aug 2004, at 01:39, Toad wrote:
The problem is that ignorance is indeed a goal in itself on Freenet.
It's part of its very basic design features.
Same is true of the postal system (otherwise they would mandate that 
everything is written on postcards).

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] anonymity(NOT)

[Ian Clarke]

On 5 Aug 2004, at 01:38, Toad wrote:
On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 01:02:33AM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
On 4 Aug 2004, at 20:03, Toad wrote:
On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 08:01:22PM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
While I am no fan of the Induce Act, I should point out that from my
reading of the Induce Act, Freenet would *probably* be safe as none 
of
its features are expressly intended to allow people to infringe
copyright law (this is merely a side-effect of Freenet's actual 
goal).
Umm, and clasical P2P systems don't have noninfringing uses?
No, but may of them have features which their creators have 
(foolishly)
admitted are directly intended to thwart the efforts of copyright
holders to enforce copyright law.
LOL. Whereas we don't? ;)
Which feature of Freenet is *intended* to toward the efforts of 
copyright holders to enforce copyright law?

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] anonymity(NOT)

[Ian Clarke]

On 5 Aug 2004, at 01:00, Ian Clarke wrote:
On 4 Aug 2004, at 19:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They do have a choice, nothing is forcing them to run freenet.
Shaky logic.  Nothing is forcing postmen to work for the USPS, yet if 
it were to be found that a postman had unknowingly transported drugs 
it is unlikely that they could successfully be accused of willful 
ignorance because they chose to work for a service that does look 
inside all of the
s/does/does not
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Re: [freenet-support] anonymity(NOT)

[Ian Clarke]

On 4 Aug 2004, at 20:03, Toad wrote:
On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 08:01:22PM +0100, Ian Clarke wrote:
While I am no fan of the Induce Act, I should point out that from my
reading of the Induce Act, Freenet would *probably* be safe as none of
its features are expressly intended to allow people to infringe
copyright law (this is merely a side-effect of Freenet's actual goal).
Umm, and clasical P2P systems don't have noninfringing uses?
No, but may of them have features which their creators have (foolishly) 
admitted are directly intended to thwart the efforts of copyright 
holders to enforce copyright law.

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] anonymity(NOT)

[Ian Clarke]

On 4 Aug 2004, at 19:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They do have a choice, nothing is forcing them to run freenet.
Shaky logic.  Nothing is forcing postmen to work for the USPS, yet if 
it were to be found that a postman had unknowingly transported drugs it 
is unlikely that they could successfully be accused of willful 
ignorance because they chose to work for a service that does look 
inside all of the mail it transports.

IANAL (BIKAF), but I would expect that for ignorance to be willful it 
can't be a side-effect of a goal, it must be a goal in itself.  There 
are plenty of reasons why someone might want to use Freenet other than 
obtaining illegal content.

It doesn't matter that they can't see exactly what their node is 
doing, but only the fact that they know what their node is probably 
doing.
If someone gives you a package in Mexico and ask you to carry it 
across the boarder.  You do so and customs finds it full of drugs.  It 
doesn't matter that you didn't see what was in there or even if it was 
locked and you couldn't see what was in there.  All that matters is 
that a reasonable person would know what's in there.
Really?  I suspect there are at least thousands of postal workers who 
deliver packages from Mexico to the US without opening them every day, 
are you suggesting that they could all be arrested?

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] anonymity(NOT)

[Ian Clarke]

On 4 Aug 2004, at 19:11, Toad wrote:
On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 10:22:41AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
As for the uploader
Willful blindness can not protect you if it can be shown that you had 
a reasonable suspicion to believe they you are committing a crime.  
In fact in some cases a deliberate attempt to not obtain knowledge is 
proof of that knowledge.
That is unclear. Otherwise the recent P2P cases where the RIAA has not
achieved victory would not have happened. This is precisely why they
need INDUCE to pass (which probably WOULD criminalize Freenet).
While I am no fan of the Induce Act, I should point out that from my 
reading of the Induce Act, Freenet would *probably* be safe as none of 
its features are expressly intended to allow people to infringe 
copyright law (this is merely a side-effect of Freenet's actual goal).

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] anonymity(NOT)

[Ian Clarke]

On 4 Aug 2004, at 15:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
As for the uploader
Willful blindness can not protect you if it can be shown that you had 
a reasonable suspicion to believe they you are committing a crime.  In 
fact in some cases a deliberate attempt to not obtain knowledge is 
proof of that knowledge.
Its an interesting question; can it be willful blindness if you don't 
have a choice?  It isn't that people choose not to see the information, 
its that they can't.  Now perhaps they don't want to either, but it is 
hard to see how someone can be said to willfully avoid doing something 
they couldn't do if they wanted to.

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] Stable build 5087

[Ian Clarke]

Toad wrote:
To obtain best performance from this build, you will need to update your
freenet-ext.jar. Shut down the node, download the new freenet-ext.jar
from http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-ext.jar , copy it over
your existing freenet-ext.jar, and then restart the node.
Note that recent versions of the update.sh script on Linux machines will 
detect this and automatically upgrade freenet-ext.jar.

Ian.
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[freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] new stable

[Ian Clarke]

Newsbyte wrote:
Tried it out, and thusfar...it's crap.
Can you read?  If so, please apply your reading skills to Matthew's 
announcement of the new build, particularly this part:

"There may be a readjustment period on the network for a while as people
upgrade and the network sorts itself out. Your routing table will be
reset on upgrade: the nodes will still be there but because of the
algorithm change, the node will need to discover what their specialties
are all over again."
Ian.
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[freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

[Ian Clarke]

Marc Lehmann wrote:
On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 04:38:25AM +0100, Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(consider the amount of time we would spend dealing with memory leaks 
and array overflows had we implemented in C++). As for focus,  our 

You are living in a dream world, really.
No, you are living in a dream world if you think I am going to dignify 
your off-topic cross-posted rant with a response.

I will not perpetuate programming language advocacy on the development 
mailing list (or, indeed, the support list), I request that others 
follow my lead or we risk devaluing these mailing lists for everyone (it 
wouldn't be the first time that a Freenet mailing list has been rendered 
useless in this manner).

If people can't start exercising some common sense with respect to 
off-topic posts we will have no choice but to restrict posting to devl 
in some manner, and I *really* don't want to do that.

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

[Ian Clarke]

Toad wrote:
JIT Java (which we're all running) is also very speedy, there's only a few  
rare instances where it's worth the trouble to replace code with something  
natively instead.

Debatable. But most of the problems with Java come from the fact that it
is non-free IMHO. If and when freenet works on GCJ, we benefit from:
1. Reduced CPU usage due to better optimization and no compilation at
run time.
There are optimisations that can be performed at runtime by a JIT which 
cannot be performed by a native compiler, so it can't be taken for 
granted that avoiding runtime compilation is an advantage.

Ian.
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[freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

[Ian Clarke]

That is a shame.  Clearly I don't agree with your reasoning, there is no 
evidence that any other language would not have similar or worse issues 
(consider the amount of time we would spend dealing with memory leaks 
and array overflows had we implemented in C++). As for focus,  our 
experimental approach is a necessary consequence of the fact that we are 
doing something completely new that nobody has done before, this 
necessitates a different approach than if we were, say, implementing an 
operating system.  Furthermore, many of the changes made to the code 
have been to simplify and refactor it, not just to add further complexity.

Anyway, thanks for your contribution to-date, can someone remove DFI 
from the gateway page?

Ian.
Conrad Sabatier wrote:
It saddens me more than a little to have to announce this, but I've decided to
retire from the freenet project.  I will no longer be active as a developer or
as an index site maintainer, or as the operator of a node.
I'm truly sorry, but with only a 1 gHz machine with 512 MB of RAM, freenet
simply consumes too much of my system's resources, both in terms of CPU time
and memory (not to mention bandwidth), especially continuously running a second
Java app besides (the spider).
I find Java's memory requirements to be totally unreasonable, its performance
lackluster, and I've finally come to the conclusion that it was indeed a poor
choice of language in which to implement a project of this size and complexity.
A native-compiled language would have offered vastly superior speed and, no
doubt, significantly lower memory consumption as well.
In addition, I'm finding myself increasingly put off by the project's apparent
lack of organization and focus.  Rather than streamlining, simplifying,
cleaning up and verifying the existing design, we have a never-ending series of
"let's try this" and "let's try that".  Too many code changes are being done on
pure speculation and hopeful optimism, rather than close scrutiny and careful
analysis.  I fear that at the rate we're going, as more and more new ideas are
incorporated into an already extremely complex design, this burgeoning
complexity will eventually result in a system that *no one* truly understands
the workings of, or how the various parts of the whole interact, rendering it
virtually impossible to anticipate or even estimate the impact that changing
this or that part of the code will have on the rest.  This does not exactly
make me feel optimistic about the project's future success.
I still do believe the project's goal is an admirable one, and an important
one, and I do wish you all the best in your endeavors.
Regards to everyone,
Conrad (aka dolphin)
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: freenet on slashdot

[Ian Clarke]

Roger Oksanen wrote:
Tunneling packets in UDP when both hosts are behind NAT has the 
following problems:
* Generic NAT tunneling implementations don't work; They require
  that one host is on a routable address.
Not true in 85% of cases, most NATs will forward UDP packets that come 
from a host to which they recently sent a packet, allowing the 
establisment of bi-directional UDP between two NATted nodes.

* Both ends need to know each others public (NAT) IP address.
Shouldn't be much of a problem since peers can be introduced to 
each-other by nodes to which they already have connections.

  - Since NAT changes the source port number. A would have
to send the initializing UDP packet to every port on B 
(essentially port scan B).
Not if it has been informed of what port to use through out-of-band 
means (ie. via an introduction).

Ian.
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Re: Freenet project paypal account frozen was Re: [freenet-support] Payment failure

[Ian Clarke]

Yep, I phoned them up and they wouldn't give me any reason beyond "use 
of anonymizing proxy", but did point out that according to their Terms 
of Service, they don't need one.

This is extremely annoying because we lose the numerous monthly 
subscriptions that people had signed up for, hopefully most of those 
people are subscribed to one or more of these mailing lists so they can 
re-sign up once we have found a suitable alternative.

My suspicion is that someone inside or outside of Paypal took a dislike 
to the project and emailed their abuse address.

I am sure Toad will agree that we make it his #1 priority to get us set 
up with an alternative to Paypal ASAP.

Ian.
Toad wrote:
The account has apparently been frozen. Feel free to slashdot. (I was
rather tempted to CC this to announce, but I don't think it would have
been a good idea :) ). We should be able to get the money back 
(fortunately there wasn't much in the account).. but it may take 6 
months... Apparently the AUP prohibits the use of anonymizing proxies. 
We naively assumed that this means to access the account - which is 
something we have never done. But perhaps it means that you are 
prohibited from developing one, in which case that would explain it.

On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 10:23:43AM -0700, Dave Hershberger wrote:
Dear Freenet people,
I just got this email from Paypal:

Dear David Hershberger,
Your subscription payment to Freenet Project Inc for Freenet Project
Membership failed on May 17, 2004 because of problems with Freenet Project
Inc's account.
We will try to make this subscription payment again on May 20, 2004.
--
Subscription Details
--
Amount: $20.00 USD
Date of payment failure: May 17, 2004
Date of next payment attempt: May 20, 2004
Subscription Name: Freenet Project Membership
Subscription Number: S-8HJ8572886814752L

Is there something going on with freenet's paypal account that you know 
of?  Is the money still needed I presume?

Thanks,
-Dave
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Re: [freenet-support] Mac

[Ian Clarke]

Getting Freenet working on OSX is pretty straight-forward provided you
are comfortable using a command line.  Basically you just need to follow
the instructions for Linux.

We could certainly use someone willing to package Freenet up nicely such
that it can be installed and used on OSX without resort to the
command-line - but unfortunately none of the core devs use OSX :-(

Ian.

On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 21:47, Rick wrote:
> Is there anyone running this on a Mac OS X?
> if so, drop me a line
> 
> Thanks-
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ 
> \/\/\/\/\
> No hassles!, No gimmicks!, NO term commitments!, No tricky dial around  
> codes!,
> Just 3.9Â per minute 24/7 for you interstate long distances.
> 
>   Prove it: goto http://ld.net/?zpro
> ( Enter your info into the Best Rate Calculator )
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Re: [freenet-support] Could you cancel my membership ?

[Ian Clarke]

I'm afraid I can't, you need to cancel your subscription through PayPal.

Kind regards,

Ian.

On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 16:13, Anjan Bacchu(J) wrote:
> Subscription Name: Freenet Project Membership
> Subscription Number: S-6G704031JR625064Y
>  
> Thank you,
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> I will at a later opportunity try to become a member.
>  
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Re: [freenet-support] More Freenet Problems

[Ian Clarke]

On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 04:03, Steven wrote:
> After recently being It appears to be running my node properly, but I
> am still unable to get Fred working.  Whenever I go to
> http://127.0.0.1:/ I get a 500 error. Any idea what the problem
> might be?

Ensure that Freenet is stopped, and delete your freenet.log file.  Now
start Freenet and wait 60 seconds or so.  If you can't connect to
http://127.0.0.1:/ take a look in your freenet.log file for any
obvious errors.  If you don't see any, send the file to this list and we
will take a look.

Ian.


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Re: [freenet-support] need a program to crawl links in freenet

[Ian Clarke]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Toad wrote:
| Unfortunately crawling freenet via HTTP will have the main effect of
| DoSing your freenet node, because every web download takes up a thread,
| and we therefore limit parallel HTTP downloads to 24-36. Ideally you'd
| want a real FCP spider; there must be one out there somewhere.
You can download something which claims to do this from:

http://127.0.0.1:/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/spider/5//

I tried it (in a sandbox Linux account, which is absoltely the minimum
precaution anyone should take if running code downloaded from an
untrusted anonymous source) and it seems to work pretty nicely.
If you download it, and it inserts your credit card details into Freenet
and emails your mother with pictures of hard core porn, all before it
deletes your hard disk - don't blame me, you run this entirely at your
own risk.
Ian.
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[freenet-support] "State of the Freenet" status report

[Ian Clarke]

Hi all, just wanted to update everyone on recent progress, and also, 
once again, ask for your support.

The last few weeks have been very interesting indeed.  Since about July 
2003 Freenet's performance inexplicably deteriorated, and since then we 
have been trying to find out why, and trying to find solutions to get it 
back to its previously healthy performance.

Eventually we decided that the most likely explanation was simply that 
Freenet's users were pumping more requests into the Freenet network than 
the network was capable of handling.  As each node became incapacitated 
through overload, it only increased the burden on other nodes in the 
network, resulting in the problem spiraling out of control, until 
eventually the majority of the messages being sent over the Freenet 
network (often over 95%) were nodes telling other nodes that they are 
overloaded!

After a number of failed attempts to solve the problem by making small 
changes to our existing load balancing algorithm, it eventually became 
clear that we would need to go back to first principles, and design a 
solution to the problem from the ground up.

The underlying idea behind this solution is that for the load balancing 
algorithm to be successful, it would need to be able to limit the number 
of requests entering the network *at source*, namely limiting the number 
of requests that could be created to what the network can effectively 
handle.

The eventual solution involved nodes adaptively estimating how many 
requests they can comfortably handle, their "request quota", and then 
intelligently allocating this quota to the nodes that want to send it 
requests for data.

We devised an algorithm that could allocate this quota in such a way 
that if a node wasn't using all of its quota, that this spare quota 
could then be reallocated to other nodes that are more likely to use it. 
 This allows the total number of requests to remain under-quota, but 
without being so-far under-quota that the nodes would be under-utilized.

A simple version of this algorithm was tested two weeks ago, and managed 
to reduce the number of rejected requests from over 95% to less than 5%. 
 We have now implemented a more sophisticated version of the algorithm 
and are in the process of testing and tweaking it, but early results are 
very positive.

We believe that this "rate limiting" scheme might be so effective as to 
have applications well beyond Freenet, and my intention is to write a 
paper on the subject just as soon as we have gained sufficient 
experience of how it operates in the real world.   I think this 
demonstrates that while the research nature of this project can 
sometimes cause frustration when things don't quite go to plan, it also 
allows us to develop and explore cutting-edge ideas that have 
applications well beyond the specific goals of the Freenet project.

At the very core of the project's ability to maintain this momentum, 
even when things aren't looking very rosy from the users' perspective, 
is Matthew Toseland - the project's grossly underpaid and extremely 
hardworking and talented full-time developer.  Matthew asks for only 
£850 per month, which is way below what he could earn as a commercial 
software developer, and his full-time development efforts, in addition 
to their direct effect, also serve as a catalyst for the contributions 
of other volunteers.

Unfortunately, due to the recent poor performance, which we are now 
hopefully climbing out of, we have been unable to do a formal release of 
the Freenet software.  We are now optimistic that, if rate limiting 
continues to be as promising as it appears to be, we will be in a 
position to release Freenet 0.6, the first major release in well over a 
year.

The problem is that this is still 6 weeks away at an absolute minimum, 
and as things stand right now, and despite the generous donations of 
many Freenet users, the project is almost out of funds with which to 
employ Matthew.

For this reason I am appealing to supporters of the project to, once 
again, dig deep and if you can, make a contribution to the project in 
the form of a Paypal donation, a Paypal subscription, or through E-Gold 
if Paypal is not your cup of tea.

You can make a donation through the donations page on our website at:

  http://freenetproject.org/index.php?page=donations

If, for whatever reason, you would like to make a donation through other 
means, please contact me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Many thanks,

Ian Clarke,
Coordinator, The Freenet Project.
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Re: [freenet-support] Compiling freenet with gcj

[Ian Clarke]

Does this mean that Freenet now compiles and runs with GCJ?

Ian.

Niklas Bergh wrote:
Committed to unstable CVS.

I found the problem.
this patch should be applied to stable in order to be able to compile it
with gcj.
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Re: [freenet-support] I meant it like a one time donation

[Ian Clarke]

You need to remove yourself by logging into your paypal account and 
canceling the subscription.  Contact Paypal support if you need help 
with this.

Once you have done this I am happy to refund whatever you did not intend 
to donate.

Ian.

Stefano Santoro wrote:
Hi,

please take me off immediately from your subscription service.
Consider this february donation the last one. This means I
have donated to you 60 dollars so far, when I really meant
donating only 20. I would consider a yearly subscription, but
definitely not a MONTHLY one!
I appreciate your immediate attention on this matter.

Ciao
Stefano
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Re: [freenet-support] Request for help

[Ian Clarke]

Toad wrote:
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 11:27:55PM +, Ian Clarke wrote:

Toad wrote:

2. Does anyone have a suitable server for a watchme/testnet testbed?
This would probably have to be a fairly beefy machine, on bandwidth,
CPU, memory and maybe even disk, although of course we'd be using mysql
or similar.
Um, yes - we do, dodo.
I was under the impression that dodo was rather limited in terms of
bandwidth usage.
It has 15GB/month IIRC.

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] Request for help

[Ian Clarke]

Toad wrote:
2. Does anyone have a suitable server for a watchme/testnet testbed?
This would probably have to be a fairly beefy machine, on bandwidth,
CPU, memory and maybe even disk, although of course we'd be using mysql
or similar.
Um, yes - we do, dodo.

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] Problems with tech mailing list?

[Ian Clarke]

Did you send the email from the same email address you used to subscribe?

Ian.

Victor Denisov wrote:
Hello,

I've subcribed to the tech mailing list, received a confirmation and then (a
couple of hours later) sent an e-mail to it.
Contrary to my expectations, I've received a reply telling me that my
message awaits moderator approval since I'm not a subscriber to the list.
What gives?
Regards,
Victor Denisov.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: Signatures on builds?

[Ian Clarke]

Toad wrote:
I don't know. I don't personally vouch for every last bit of code...
Many others contribute to the code.. We cannot establish very much trust
in it anyhow, something might have gone into CVS without a CVS mail
being generated, the CVS-mail generated might not have been noticed yet,
or the change may have been so big that a cvs-mail generated was
truncated, or we might have a trojan developer, or my machine might be
compromized, or dodo might be - I could only sign a jar file I generated
myself, and normally dodo generates the jar. Yes, we could have dodo
sign the files automatically, but what if dodo is compromized? Probably
a good idea to have some signatures, but I'm not sure what level of
trust we could possibly hope to establish...
Agreed, I would rather not have any signatures at all than have 
meaningless signatures which give a false sense of security.

Coming up with a robust way to make signatures mean something is a 
pretty large project in itself (probably involving the reimplementation 
of CVS among other things).

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-support] 5058: Crack open some bubbly!

[Ian Clarke]

Brandon Low wrote:
I have e-mailed a thread dump to 2 good devs,
Awww, why not let the evil devs have a go at it too?

;-)

Ian.
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