Re: [Tagging] tagging drinking water of uncleaer official (signed) status

2020-09-07 Thread European Water Project
In France, almost all water fountains not supplied from the residential water network are marked as "non potable" - indiscriminately of whether or not the water is drinking quality. No proper legislation exists which allows local authorities to intermittently test fountain water quality and be

Re: [Tagging] tagging drinking water of uncleaer official (signed) status

2020-09-06 Thread European Water Project
if drinking_water:legal is about the content of a sign, I would prefer Paul‘s suggestion: drinking_water:legal=unsigned +1 I also agree that this is a good suggestion On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 at 20:34, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 6. Sep 2020, at 16:21, Mateusz

Re: [Tagging] Automated edit of image tags suggestion

2020-06-27 Thread European Water Project
Move category links to commons_category=* +1 It might make sense to choose a more generic name like image_category or image_folder, so that any set of images, from any host, related to an osm object can be linked. On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 20:11, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 25.06.20 19:57,

Re: [Tagging] Adding mapillary tags to every building

2020-06-19 Thread European Water Project
lem' that facebook has, has nothing to do with this. > it's not because a website uses Mapillary data that they need to implement > cookies and other facebook crap > Don't overreact.. > > On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 11:20, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> w

Re: [Tagging] Adding mapillary tags to every building

2020-06-19 Thread European Water Project
development work for other mapping use cases. As part of Facebook, we can > focus on OpenStreetMap while supporting Facebook’s open mapping efforts." > Source: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jesolem/diary/393358 > > So this (in theorie) could be a good thing > &g

Re: [Tagging] Adding mapillary tags to every building

2020-06-18 Thread European Water Project
Hopefully a significant level of data openness will continue to be part of Mapillary's business model. yes, we can just hope for it. Not more. Just in case someone missed this, Mapillary has been acquired by Facebook yesterday...

Re: [Tagging] Adding mapillary tags to every building

2020-06-09 Thread European Water Project
Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 8. Jun 2020, at 11:53, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Which is why we seek to store user contributed images on Wikimedia > Commons (if they will accept them) rather

Re: [Tagging] Adding mapillary tags to every building

2020-06-08 Thread European Water Project
Best regards, Stuart On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 11:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > Am Mo., 8. Juni 2020 um 10:48 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > >> Dear Martin, >> >> For-profit companies have differe

Re: [Tagging] Adding mapillary tags to every building

2020-06-08 Thread European Water Project
-profit companies and local municipalities. Hopefully a significant level of data openness will continue to be part of Mapillary's business model. Best regards, Stuart On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 at 10:28, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 5. Jun 2020, at 10:

Re: [Tagging] Adding mapillary tags to every building

2020-06-05 Thread European Water Project
will lead .. Best regards, Stuart On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 09:17, Janko Mihelić wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 16:48 European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> While all three of them have shown enthusiasm, single-snap images are >> just n

Re: [Tagging] Adding mapillary tags to every building

2020-06-04 Thread European Water Project
Hi Clifford, Our images get linked to osm object as per the wiki page .. they are added after manual curation using either the tag image, mapillary or wikimedia_commons depending on where the image is stored. We developed the workflow because our users found the workflow below to be suboptimal :

Re: [Tagging] Adding mapillary tags to every building

2020-06-04 Thread European Water Project
mapillary, flickr or wikimedia commons are rarely of any use. Also, image quality for our purpose has much more to do with image cropping and lighting than the number of pixels in the image. For the European Water Project we have integrated into our Progressive Web Application the ability to allow

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread European Water Project
when taking the picture ... maybe that will help for wikimedia. Thanks for the suggestion ! Best regards, Stuart On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 20:33, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 18:54, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >&g

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread European Water Project
> frankly, I expect people that will contribute to your project to also have > these accounts, because it's always the same kind of people ;-) ). > > I hope you are partially wrong and that we attract non-OSM contributors as well. But I am not sufficiently confident to bet against you :))) Have

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread European Water Project
fountain edit page for fountains which requires an oauth identification. Best regards, Stuart On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 16:30, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > Am Di., 19. Mai 2020 um 13:30 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > >> Hi

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread European Water Project
> > I agree that it's not entirely convenient and may be slow. But Mapillary > welcomes ALL geotagged images. On Wikimedia Commons a contributor may > consider your picture not noteworthy enough or violating Panorama Rights, I > forget the correct term. > > Polyglot > > On Tue, May 1

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread European Water Project
Hi Jo and Paul, I am currently uploading the images to Mapillary but the workflow is painful and will only get more painful if the image volume picks up. There is no image receipt on upload so all the images get renamed. I get links to the uploaded images using the mapillary api and find

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread European Water Project
On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 13:12, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 11:50, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> I do not want to send people to the node on OpenStreetMap via a url ... I >> agree this would not b

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread European Water Project
s, after manual curation, and add an image link to the photo in the osm object that would be best. On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 13:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > >> On 19. May 2020, at 12:50, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmai

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread European Water Project
On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 12:36, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 08:46, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> I am looking for a way to create permanent links to specific objects >> (fountains and cafés) with images withi

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread European Water Project
d Relations requires including a location > reference of some kind as geometry changes are not reflected in the > versions, but can work in principle the same. > > Simon > Am 19.05.2020 um 09:43 schrieb European Water Project: > > Dear All, > > I am looking for a way to create pe

[Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread European Water Project
Dear All, I am looking for a way to create permanent links to specific objects (fountains and cafés) with images within our application ... and I have a couple of questions. How quickly do OSM node and ways numbers mutate ? What percentage should I expect to change each year. If the

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-14 Thread European Water Project
% of the 76,177 keys (60,952/76,177). 74,938 out of 76,177 keys are used on just 1% of all tags in the OpenStreetMap database. Just 42 keys out of 76,177 keys are present on 80% of all tags (1.7Bn/2.1Bn) in the OpenStreetMap database. Best regards, Stuart On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 at 08:09, European Water

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-07 Thread European Water Project
Dear Martin, Yes, using external tables unioned to objects by opaque keys is not a very KISS solution. A more KISS solution would be to keep tag meta data close to or even better within the element itself. Assuming all tag values are stored in zero based arrays, could we not add a 2 byte last

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread European Water Project
Hi Frederik, I agree 100%. The proposal thesis is that "Key level last updated date meta data" within OSM, might be a useful ingredient for facilitating better data quality maintenance on data which tends to go stale. Best regards, Stuart On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 18:24, Frederik Ramm wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread European Water Project
this to be done more efficiently. The purpose of the note was to start a discussion. If there is consensus opposition to it ... that's fine too. Best regards, Stuart On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 17:26, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 16:10, European Water Project < > european

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread European Water Project
Hi Paul, Yep. Because, as others have pointed out, implementing such a scheme in OSM is hard. Not just technically hard, but "overcoming all the people who insist OSM MUST NOT do this" hard. Can we focus our discussions to the technical aspects of different solutions for

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread European Water Project
/Rarely_verified_and_third-party_data_staleness_in_OpenStreetMap Best regards, Stuart On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 15:11, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 08:33, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> In order to maintain/improve the data quality

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread European Water Project
I copied the draft note to a wiki page ... to facilitate the discussion regarding per key last update date meta data. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rarely_verified_and_third-party_data_staleness_in_OpenStreetMap Best regards, Stuart On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 11:56, European Water Project

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread European Water Project
0 à 09:31, European Water Project a écrit : > > I have been thinking about ways we can efficiently verify data > > here's my workflow : > - once a year, I query all poi (bar, restaurant, shop) within my comfort > zone, and check all tag again. > if nothing change, I upda

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread European Water Project
Dear Martin, A date uses 3-4 bytes of memory. Just for brainstorming purposes, what would be the total database size inflation if all keys on all nodes, ways and relations in OpenStreetMap had 4 extra bytes of date meta data ? Best regards, Stuart On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 11:42, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread European Water Project
t;a project", I want to > talk with a person. > I am a person not a robot :) Thank you for the suggestion. > > On 06.04.20 09:31, European Water Project wrote: > > Please find attached a draft note for a feature proposal, which I have > > no idea if is even technic

[Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread European Water Project
Dear All, I hope this note is not too off topic. In order to maintain/improve the data quality for our mobile application, I have been thinking about ways we can efficiently verify data for refill points for drinking water at fountains participating refill cafes, bars and other establishments.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

2020-04-04 Thread European Water Project
could be updated sooner, if they are specialized. > > But I think it is better to use a main top-level key. > > -- Joseph > > On 4/4/20, European Water Project wrote: > > Dear Joseph, > > > > A couple of questions as the use of a clean namespace will all data >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

2020-04-04 Thread European Water Project
t nodes, and I believe the proposal suggests, > appropriately, that a node should be used when the boundaries of the > area are not clearly defined > > (My preference would be for amenity=refugee_site, to fit with > amenity=social_facility and similar area features. The key "amen

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

2020-04-03 Thread European Water Project
Dear Manon, This new proposal is a big improvement over the previous proposal and properly addresses the many objections to place=refugee_site. A flexible namespace with segregated data related to refugee sites will allow ongoing refugee site data maintenance by facilitating operator source data

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

2020-03-26 Thread European Water Project
Hi Joseph, Would segregation of data via a namespace tagging solution, as an alternative to using place=refugee_site, address these concerns regarding fuzzy "place" boundaries and the lack of observability (ie source based descriptive data)? Best regards, Stuart On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 00:40

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refugee Site Location

2020-03-25 Thread European Water Project
Hello, I followed the recent discussion on the OSM France mailing list. Maybe there is value in creating a namespace for refugee_site instead of place=refugee_site, especially if this tag will be sometimes be added to nodes or areas which have other attributes not directly to being a refugee

Re: [Tagging] Proposal drinking_water:refill:fee

2020-03-11 Thread European Water Project
regards, Stuart On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 10:22 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > Am Mi., 11. März 2020 um 04:25 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > >> Hi Martin, >> >> drinking_water:refill:fee=no/yes/0..9 >> >&g

Re: [Tagging] Proposal drinking_water:refill:fee

2020-03-10 Thread European Water Project
ecome inaccurate. Free vs. Fee should be inherent to the network... On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 01:31 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 10. Mar 2020, at 17:37, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ==

Re: [Tagging] Proposal drinking_water:refill:fee

2020-03-10 Thread European Water Project
ing the original proposal process. Best regards, Stuart On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 17:14, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 15:13, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Your alternative proposal for drinking_water:fee=yes for establishm

Re: [Tagging] Proposal drinking_water:refill:fee

2020-03-10 Thread European Water Project
work which charged money before talking to Stephanie. drinking_water:refill =yes would be reserved for free establishments. Best regards, Stuart On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 16:11, European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Joseph, > > Yes, your understandi

Re: [Tagging] Proposal drinking_water:refill:fee

2020-03-10 Thread European Water Project
ter:refill:alkaline=yes/no, etc (or > >> drinking_water:refill:types=carbonated/chilled/alkaline). Then fee can > be > >> based on which types of water is charged for? > >> > >> Personally I can’t see myself paying for still or chilled water, but I > >&

Re: [Tagging] Proposal drinking_water:refill:fee

2020-03-10 Thread European Water Project
c.com/ > > > > On 10 Mar 2020, at 09:13, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear All, > > I have been in contact with Stephanie Dick from Zero Bouteilles Plastique > (copied), based in Arles, France regarding tagging establ

[Tagging] Proposal drinking_water:refill:fee

2020-03-10 Thread European Water Project
Dear All, I have been in contact with Stephanie Dick from Zero Bouteilles Plastique (copied), based in Arles, France regarding tagging establishments in OpenStreetMap offering water bottle refill for a small fee. Stephanie is also involved in Zero Waste France. The rationale for including

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=fountain

2020-03-07 Thread European Water Project
Not wise to get into an edit war. > Agree 100% ! Collegiality and commonality of purpose should be strived > for. On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 08:48 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 7/3/20 6:34 pm, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > There's a star on the menu bar on top of the wiki page,

[Tagging] Amenity=fountain

2020-03-06 Thread European Water Project
Dear All, On Feb 4th, we significantly clarified the definition of amenity=fountain after numerous discussions. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-February/050876.html It seems the core of our changes were undone on Feb 26th

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-03-03 Thread European Water Project
; > » > > The archive_id comes from the «View history» page by clicking the last / > newest entry and coping the value from the oldid parameter in the url. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Markus > > > > *Von: *European Water Project > *Gesendet: *Mittwo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-02-28 Thread European Water Project
nking_water:refill:network=edit > > To make the page, try copying the source text from a similar property > page, and pasting it, > > For example copy the text from: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:drinking_water=edit > > Then edit it to match you

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-02-26 Thread European Water Project
proposal <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Archived_proposal>. Best regards, Stuart On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 at 15:29, European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > As per yesterday's note, I would like to make the following tweek to the

Re: [Tagging] key:drinking_water for OSM ways

2020-02-20 Thread European Water Project
And maybe it shouldn't be mapped that way because it is not observable. Up for discussion... Thanks, Stuart On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 08:25 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 21/2/20 6:16 pm, European Water Project wrote: > > Hi Warin, > > contents=water seems more appr

Re: [Tagging] key:drinking_water for OSM ways

2020-02-20 Thread European Water Project
k with contents=water, or should there be > yet another value for it contents=drinking_water? > Or a sub tag water=drinking water... > > > On 21/2/20 5:10 pm, European Water Project wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > There are a couple of issues I see with drinking_water=yes not

Re: [Tagging] key:drinking_water for OSM ways

2020-02-20 Thread European Water Project
ote: > Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 19:14 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > >> Dear All, >> >> I have noticed that the the key drinking_water = yes for ways is >> sometimes used in a manner not described in the

[Tagging] key:drinking_water for OSM ways

2020-02-20 Thread European Water Project
Dear All, I have noticed that the the key drinking_water = yes for ways is sometimes used in a manner not described in the wiki. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Adrinking_water The issue has to do with ways which might store drinking water which is not actually directly accessible. I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-02-20 Thread European Water Project
of : drinking_water:refill=yes/drinking_water:refill=no drinking_water:refill_scheme=scheme-name1;scheme-name2;scheme-name3; Does anyone believe another round of voting is necessary for this small change ? I don't mind. Best regards, Stuart On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 09:33, European Water Project

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-02-19 Thread European Water Project
;network-name3; Does anyone have an opinion on this? I personally prefer this namespace convention because of I find it more generic and I find the word "network" clearer than "scheme". Best regards, Stuart On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 09:27, European Water Project < europeanwaterp

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-02-19 Thread European Water Project
ap.org/wiki/Template:Approved_feature_link>. - Archive the proposal using Template:Archived proposal <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Archived_proposal>. Best regards, Stuart On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 14:43, European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.co

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-02-17 Thread European Water Project
rticular tag. > > - Joseph Eisenberg > > On 2/17/20, European Water Project wrote: > > Tomorrow is the last day of voting. The proposal has positive support .. > > 10 + and 2 Abs > > > > There are two comments which are worth noting : > > > > 1 . I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-02-16 Thread European Water Project
2020 at 18:40, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> >> >> Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 16:58 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < >> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: >> >>> I think they do need a sign or it is impossible to objectively map >>> wh

Re: [Tagging] Clarify explicit abstention when voting on a proposal

2020-02-14 Thread European Water Project
st regards, Stuart On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 10:30, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Do., 13. Feb. 2020 um 08:37 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > >> An opinion from an OSM neophyte >> >> Abstain should mean just that .. either

Re: [Tagging] Clarify explicit abstention when voting on a proposal

2020-02-12 Thread European Water Project
An opinion from an OSM neophyte Abstain should mean just that .. either no vote .. or a blank vote.. It is important to understand why someone chooses to abstain instead of voting against a proposal. An abstainer has serious reservations about a specific detail of the proposal, but believes the

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-07 Thread European Water Project
uld projected into the next drinkers mouth... (gross). Needless to say, this is no longer an issue. Best regards, Stuart On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 16:00 Paul Allen wrote: > On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 06:01, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-07 Thread European Water Project
Hi Martin, Add an image tag or wikimedia commons tag to OSM node or OSM to an image on Wikimedia commons. Best regards, Stuart On Fri, Feb 7, 2020, 15:29 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Fr., 7. Feb. 2020 um 10:00 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-07 Thread European Water Project
rote: > > > sent from a phone > > Il giorno 7 feb 2020, alle ore 07:01, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > This old drinking fountain is harder to classify: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fountain_Snow_Hill_Samuel_Gurn

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-06 Thread European Water Project
Dear Paul, The example you use is a very good one, but not necessarily for the reason you intended. The fountain in the picture you show is an old style fountain with a drinking cup who style was banned by Federal Regulation in the US in 1912 due to its unsanitary nature. I would therefore tag

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-06 Thread European Water Project
6 Feb 2020 at 17:04, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 15:50, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I also agree that removing amenity=drinking_water as a tag makes sense. >> The physical attributes of a node/way still exists - ir

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-06 Thread European Water Project
Dear All, I also agree that removing amenity=drinking_water as a tag makes sense. The physical attributes of a node/way still exists - irrespective of whether the water is drinking quality. For example, a spring which has water polluted after a big storm, stays a spring. drinking_water = as a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-05 Thread European Water Project
I see good arguments on both sides but I tend to agree with Joseph and Marc about the need to put substance over form. Maybe the proposal just passes based on objective measurements (vote ratio), but that if enough people post facto see enough flaws that it can be temporarily suspended. To

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-04 Thread European Water Project
. 1) Paris,France 2) Trento, Italy, 3) Lorigo, Portugal On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 at 14:15, European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Martin, > > I will make some limited changes, which I believe are consistent with the > recent discussions, to make it cl

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-04 Thread European Water Project
020 um 09:15 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > >> Dear All, >> >> I agree with Antonio that the wiki is too ambiguous and needs a bit of >> clean up, including more image examples of drinking fountains which merit &g

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-02-04 Thread European Water Project
multiple, but will enough people be motivated to maintain high accuracy of the data given that all the schemes are essentially equivalent? European Water Project will include on the App any establishment which belongs to one or more of the relevant schemes, including our own, or is an "indepe

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-04 Thread European Water Project
Dear All, I agree with Antonio that the wiki is too ambiguous and needs a bit of clean up, including more image examples of drinking fountains which merit to be tagged as amenity=fountain drinking_water=yes What is the best practice process for making controlled contributions to the wiki pages

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-02-04 Thread European Water Project
Hi again, Also, I forgot to mention that I put the results from the previous vote on the talk page .. Best regards, Stuart On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 at 08:59, European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > I have started the voting period on the r

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-02-04 Thread European Water Project
Dear All, I have started the voting period on the revised proposal after an additional one week RFC period. The proposal is for how to best tag cafés, bars, restaurants, kiosks, hotels, etc which belong to a water bottle refill scheme offering free bottle water refill to anyone - whether or not

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-03 Thread European Water Project
> > Best regards, > > Stuart > > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 08:32 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 3/2/20 5:49 pm, European Water Project wrote: >> >> amenity = fountain >> drinking_water=yes >> >> Is the best way to tag this. >&g

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-03 Thread European Water Project
of the water. Best regards, Stuart On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 08:32 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 3/2/20 5:49 pm, European Water Project wrote: > > amenity = fountain > drinking_water=yes > > Is the best way to tag this. > > > The summary for amenity=fountain s

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-02 Thread European Water Project
amenity = fountain drinking_water=yes Is the best way to tag this. Please add photos in Wikimedia commons and link back :) On Mon, Feb 3, 2020, 00:35 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 3/2/20 8:29 am, António Madeira wrote: > > Hi there. > > > > In Portugal and most Mediterranean

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-02 Thread European Water Project
Hi Antonio, amenity=drinking_water seems like the right way to go for a utilitarian drinking fountain. Best regards, Stuart On Sun, Feb 2, 2020, 22:30 António Madeira wrote: > Hi there. > > In Portugal and most Mediterranean countries, there are literally > thousands of fountains that are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-01-27 Thread European Water Project
Hi Martin, If it is clear that there is drinking water available for refill for everyone there is no need to be part of a scheme. Best regards, Stuart On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 18:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > Am Mo., 27. Jan. 2020 um 16:58 Uhr schrieb European Wate

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-01-27 Thread European Water Project
yes" tag. > (just so it's more clear on the page) > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 16:50, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> Thank you for your suggestion. >> >> I have added links in a se

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-01-27 Thread European Water Project
Hi Paul, Thank you for your suggestion. I have added links in a separate section and made the criteria in the proposal section stand out more clearly. best regards, Stuart On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 16:34, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 15:27, European Water Proj

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-01-27 Thread European Water Project
ot;, this alternative two tagging method seems more KISS than the one being currently voted on- Best regards, Stuart On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 14:57, European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Martin, > > A refill scheme is a cafe, bar, restaura

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-01-27 Thread European Water Project
small ones in the US and in specific European cities, like Lucerne, Lausanne, and Berkeley. European Water Project will be contributing to the creation of a 100% open data collaborative database of establishments participating in the refill revolution. best regards, Stuart Here is a list of some

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-01-27 Thread European Water Project
an read the present proposal. then they go to ?? There is no > voting section presently ... > You need to do a tidy up? > > > > On 27/1/20 6:48 pm, European Water Project wrote: > > Dear All, > > We have actively debated over the past 11 days the best manner to tag an > establishmen

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-01-26 Thread European Water Project
ps://refill.org.uk/refill-schemes/ > > - https://refill-deutschland.de/ > > - http://www.fillitup.ch/karte.html > > > > *Von: *European Water Project > *Gesendet: *Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2020 08:02 > *An: *Tag discussion, strategy and related tools > > *Betreff: *

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-23 Thread European Water Project
Hello, To summarize the discussion so far : All the following are acceptable ways to tag a fountain : operation_status = XXX - for fountains which are not operational on a specific sighting disused:--- when the observation or observations leads the mapper to believe there is a good

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-22 Thread European Water Project
Dear All, I have amended the proposal with the tag and a simplified example. The proposal is definitely more KISS. drinking_water:refill_scheme = Best regards, Stuart On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 14:21, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > On Wednesday, 22 January 2020, European Water Proj

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-22 Thread European Water Project
Dear Phil, A group of us have recently started an NGO called European Water Project to develop a similar scheme to that of Refill all over Europe. I have written a Progressive Web Apllication https://europeanwaterproject.org available in 8 languages for this purpose. We currently are only

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-22 Thread European Water Project
Hi Paul et. al, I would also be very supportive of this straightforward approach which would address many of the concerns regarding an over complicated tagging scheme covering cases that are often mandated by local legislation. One clean solution could be the following or something similar.

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-21 Thread European Water Project
t; I consider bottle water more like a product than a service, where as > drinking water is more like a service. > > > Le mar. 21 janv. 2020 à 11:21, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > hah

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-21 Thread European Water Project
between - free and NOT (fee) ; and - NOT (free) and fee. Best regards, Stuart On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 11:06, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 21. Jan 2020, at 10:22, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-21 Thread European Water Project
ice cream parlour doesn't sell bottle in single-use PET bottles or have drinking quality water tap water. Best regards, Stuart On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:59, Florimond Berthoux < florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote: > Le lun. 20 janv. 2020 à 16:16, European Water Project > a écrit :

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread European Water Project
t was a temporary > problem or if it's disused: > but to switch to disused: if there's no water on the day of the survey, > I think that's excessive. > > Le 20.01.20 à 15:59, European Water Project a écrit : > > Dear Martin, > > > > Wouldn't it make more sense

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread European Water Project
drinking_water=yes ? Best regards, Stuart On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 16:10, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Mo., 20. Jan. 2020 um 16:01 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > >> Wouldn't it make more sense for mappers to tag status=broken or stat

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-20 Thread European Water Project
-customers alike? Best regards, Stuart On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 15:28, Florimond Berthoux < florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote: > Le sam. 18 janv. 2020 à 18:37, European Water Project > a écrit : > > drinking_water:fee=yes/no > > drinking_water:fee:conditional=&quo

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread European Water Project
Dear Martin, Wouldn't it make more sense for mappers to tag status=broken or status=out_ of_order instead of deleting ? best regards, Stuart On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 15:53, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Do., 16. Jan. 2020 um 03:16 Uhr schrieb Jarek Piórkowski < > ja...@piorkowski.ca>: > >>

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-18 Thread European Water Project
t tag table. > > Regards. > > Le sam. 18 janv. 2020 à 07:50, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> a écrit : > >> > >> > >>2. Re: RFC free_water (Joseph Eisenberg) > > > > >>> Joseph, I have just turned off

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-17 Thread European Water Project
gt; -Joseph Eisenberg > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 4:27 AM Alessandro Sarretta < > alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > On 17/01/20 12:08, European Water Project wrote: > > > > 2. Re: RFC free_water (François Lacombe) > >> > >

[Tagging] 2. Re: RFC free_water

2020-01-17 Thread European Water Project
1rfrdtju3vblyv4o0gnq2bwi...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 at 20:49, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > 1. Is there free water available ? > > 2. For who

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-17 Thread European Water Project
-8"; Format="flowed" > > Hi, > > On 17/01/20 12:08, European Water Project wrote: > > > > 2. Re: RFC free_water (François Lacombe) > > > > > > I see your point and agree it would be preferable to develop a more > > generalize nomen

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