Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 07:04:20AM +0100, Marc Gemis wrote: > Perhaps I was not clear, what was pointed out is that it is sufficient > to have the address on the building, there is no need to repeat it on > the POI (besides the parts that are different such as unit_nr or > floor). > Although I now

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-09 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 1/10/20 00:04, Marc Gemis wrote: > Perhaps I was not clear, what was pointed out is that it is sufficient > to have the address on the building, there is no need to repeat it on > the POI (besides the parts that are different such as unit_nr or > floor). A lot of retail buildings here are set

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-09 Thread Marc Gemis
Perhaps I was not clear, what was pointed out is that it is sufficient to have the address on the building, there is no need to repeat it on the POI (besides the parts that are different such as unit_nr or floor). Although I now think that person said that it would be OK to have the address on a

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-09 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 1/9/20 22:54, Marc Gemis wrote: > Recently someone told me that addresses are not important for POIs, > and perhaps he was right. > Suppose I want to navigate to a particular shop in that mall. I tell > the router I need to go to that shop. If the point of that shop is > properly mapped and all

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-09 Thread Marc Gemis
Recently someone told me that addresses are not important for POIs, and perhaps he was right. Suppose I want to navigate to a particular shop in that mall. I tell the router I need to go to that shop. If the point of that shop is properly mapped and all footways from the parking and indoor

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-09 Thread marc marc
Le 06.01.20 à 08:47, Florian Lohoff a écrit : > If you have HUGE Buildings i use a node with an address. it's amazing the difference in usage. I find that addr nodes are very problematic for hudge buildings like shopping malls or train stations. the localisation of the node forces the routing to

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jan 2020, at 14:40, Paul Allen wrote: > > In that, very exceptional case, it might be useful to put addresses on > entrances (except it's possible all entrances interconnect via corridors). I > have no > problem with exceptional tagging to handle exceptional

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-01-07 22:21, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 21:00, Colin Smale wrote: > >> So if I am now more explicit about my intention to help this discussion >> towards a conclusion. > > Actually, you sorta hijacked a discussion about whether to put the address on > a >

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 21:00, Colin Smale wrote: Royal Mail do not say the Post Town is optional. RM also know of localities > and dependent localities, which may or may not bear any resemblance to an > inhabitant's perception of where they live. > Yeah, that's what they say. But only house

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-01-07 21:14, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 19:42, Colin Smale wrote: > >> I'm glad you said "probably", because it is of course not always true. And >> these edge cases are what we need to accommodate. Limiting the discussion to >> just handling the easy cases is

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 19:42, Colin Smale wrote: I'm glad you said "probably", because it is of course not always true. And > these edge cases are what we need to accommodate. Limiting the discussion > to just handling the easy cases is cheating. > I know it's not true because I've had to deal

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-01-07 20:04, Paul Allen wrote: >> But why do we need to have the full street address on the building at all? > > To identify it. In the UK, house number or name, plus postcode is sufficient > to > uniquely identify it. People, however, still find other information useful. > Such as

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 07/01/2020 17:18, Paul Allen wrote: On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 16:51, Volker Schmidt wrote: May I come back to the navigation aspect. Let's assume I have a single square building aligned with the compass directions. It is between two parallel East<>West roads. It is placed closer to the road

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 18:05, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I don't see misplacing nodes as being a good alternative to getting the >> routeing right. >> > > At least in the context of the legal requirements in Italy, I am not > suggesting to misplace a node. I suggest to put it where the house number

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Rob Savoye
On 1/7/20 11:02 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Nervertheless I admit that there will certainly be cases where we > need some way of tying together the point where the navigation device > finds the address and the buidling where the people live whom you > have come to visit to have a cup of tea. A

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
> > I don't see misplacing nodes as being a good alternative to getting the > routeing right. > At least in the context of the legal requirements in Italy, I am not suggesting to misplace a node. I suggest to put it where the house number has to be (in Italy), i.e. on the entrance from the public

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 16:51, Volker Schmidt wrote: > May I come back to the navigation aspect. > Let's assume I have a single square building aligned with the compass > directions. It is between two parallel East<>West roads. It is placed > closer to the road on the North side. > Its entrance is

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
May I come back to the navigation aspect. Let's assume I have a single square building aligned with the compass directions. It is between two parallel East<>West roads. It is placed closer to the road on the North side. Its entrance is on the South side from the road to the South. There is a fence

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 12:07, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: What I meant: we put address tags on objects (e.g. shops, restaurants, > museums, cinemas, etc.) > I put addresses on private houses too. I think you probably covered them with your "etc." but I thought I'd make it clear. and this is

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 7. Jan. 2020 um 02:06 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 00:57, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> >> > On 7. Jan 2020, at 01:17, Paul Allen wrote: >> > >> > The question is, are we mapping an address or the location of a house >> name/number >> > plate associated with the

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 1:32 AM Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 18:23, Dave F via Tagging > wrote: > > On 05/01/2020 18:37, Marc Gemis wrote: > > > This depends on the country. > > > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, > > > > Hi > > > > Where does

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 7:21 PM Markus wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 19:39, Marc Gemis wrote: > > > > This depends on the country. > > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, > > Says who? And why? The Danish community, as the address nodes were automatically

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Rob Savoye
On 1/6/20 6:04 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > As I understand it, in some countries the emergency services use > OSM. Knowing the building they can figure out which gate to use. > Knowing the gate may not tell them which of several buildings they > need to get to. We use OSM for emergency response

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 07/01/2020 00:30, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: Hi, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addresses#Denmark and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Da:Adresser seem like a good place to start. Hi Jarek Yes I had read the first link previously. Of course nothing is truly forbidden in OSM as long

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 00:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > On 7. Jan 2020, at 01:17, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > The question is, are we mapping an address or the location of a house > name/number > > plate associated with the address? I'd say the address. > > both, we are mapping both, using

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jan 2020, at 01:17, Paul Allen wrote: > > The question is, are we mapping an address or the location of a house > name/number > plate associated with the address? I'd say the address. both, we are mapping both, using the same tags: housenumbers and addresses

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Jan 2020, at 00:32, Dave F via Tagging > wrote: > > but can you show us rule where it says address data can't be added to > buildings if there's only one entrance? this is also what I have been arguing for in Italy, use addr tags on the whole area when there’s

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 18:23, Dave F via Tagging wrote: > On 05/01/2020 18:37, Marc Gemis wrote: > > This depends on the country. > > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, > > Hi > > Where does it say that? Where does it say it's forbidden to add address > data to

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 23:56, Rob Savoye wrote: > On 1/6/20 4:38 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > > the buildings, where he can ring the bell. In many case this is not on > > the building but on the entrance to the property.. I have a real case > > Here that's very common. Physical address signs

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Rob Savoye
On 1/6/20 4:38 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > the buildings, where he can ring the bell. In many case this is not on > the building but on the entrance to the property.. I have a real case Here that's very common. Physical address signs are on the end of the driveway where they can be seen.

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Volker Schmidt
I would assume that the routing/navigation argument is a valid one. The delivery van wants to stop as close as possible to the real entrance of the buildings, where he can ring the bell. In many case this is not on the building but on the entrance to the property.. I have a real case nearby

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 06/01/2020 21:55, Volker Schmidt wrote: This depends on the country. It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, A similar rule exist in Italy: the number has to be put where the actual entrance is, Well, this is slightly better than floating nodes as in Denmark, but

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Simon Poole
Am 06.01.2020 um 22:55 schrieb Volker Schmidt: > > > > > This depends on the country. > > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, > > A similar rule exist in Italy: the number has to be put where the > actual entrance is, as the number identifies an entrance and

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 05/01/2020 18:37, Marc Gemis wrote: This depends on the country. It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, Hi Where does it say that? Where does it say it's forbidden to add address data to building polygons in OSM? Keeping address data separate from buildings

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Volker Schmidt
> This depends on the country. > > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, > A similar rule exist in Italy: the number has to be put where the actual entrance is, as the number identifies an entrance and not a building. Thai also helps navigation devices to get you to the

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Markus
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 19:39, Marc Gemis wrote: > > This depends on the country. > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, Says who? And why? I agree with Martin and others: if every building has an own number, it makes the most sense to tag it on the building=* way

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 1/6/20 01:47, Florian Lohoff wrote: > Then there are buildings which is a single building with no seperation > inbetween but multiple entrances with individual housenumbers. I > use nodes on those. I had a weird case locally (within walking distance of me) where one business in a building had

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Jan 05, 2020 at 11:22:50AM -0700, Rob Savoye wrote: > I assume the right place for tags like 'addr:housenumber' & > 'addr:street' are on the building way, and not a standalone node ? In Germany we have both. And it depends on what actually makes sense. These are my thoughts and usage:

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Rob Savoye
On 1/5/20 11:45 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > In the US it can go either way. I've seen a shopping center where > multiple buildings had the same address (number and street) but > different ranges of suite/unit numbers. I can see both being appropriate. We have multiple old resorts with one

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 05.01.20 19:22, Rob Savoye wrote: > I assume the right place for tags like 'addr:housenumber' & > 'addr:street' are on the building way, and not a standalone node ? If there is a 1:1 relationship between buildings and addresses, the building way is the most sensible location for addr tags.

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Jan 2020, at 19:24, Rob Savoye wrote: > > I assume the right place for tags like 'addr:housenumber' & > 'addr:street' are on the building way, and not a standalone node ? it depends where the number/address is assigned to, and may vary, e.g. in Germany it depends

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 1/5/20 12:37, Marc Gemis wrote: > This depends on the country. > It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, > It is not typical to do so in The Netherlands. > In Italy, the address belongs to a door, not to a building. In the US it can go either way. I've seen a shopping

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Marc Gemis
This depends on the country. It is "forbidden" to put the address on the building in Denmark, It is not typical to do so in The Netherlands. In Italy, the address belongs to a door, not to a building. regards m. On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 7:24 PM Rob Savoye wrote: > > I assume the right place

[Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-05 Thread Rob Savoye
I assume the right place for tags like 'addr:housenumber' & 'addr:street' are on the building way, and not a standalone node ? - rob - -- https://www.senecass.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org