Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 28. Dez. 2018 um 12:26 Uhr schrieb Eugene Podshivalov < yauge...@gmail.com>: > Let me give you some more examples. > > 1. place=locality is defiend as "A named place that has no population". > In Belarus/Russia there are three categories of objectes which match this > definition: > - an

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-28 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
Let me give you some more examples. 1. place=locality is defiend as "A named place that has no population". In Belarus/Russia there are three categories of objectes which match this definition: - an abandoned settlement - a named natural place - a named spot within a settlement The common name of

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-09 Thread Michael Patrick
> Can OSM become a geospatial database? > > It currently fits almost any definition of 'GeoSpatial' database. Even if you ignore any intrinsic properties you might select to define 'GeoSpatial' database, extrinsic properties would define it as such, for example the UN-HCR, the U.S. National

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-09 Thread Wolfgang Zenker
* Eugene Podshivalov [181209 12:34]: > вс, 9 дек. 2018 г. в 14:10, Marc Gemis : >> We have tags for that (waterway=stream, ditch, ... / amenity=school, >> college, university, kindergarten), I don't understand why we should >> change the usage of name for that. > How would you map American

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-09 Thread Warin
On 10/12/18 07:12, Daniel Koć wrote: W dniu 09.12.2018 o 12:34, Eugene Podshivalov pisze: How would you map American "streamlet", "brook", "creek" and "river" to the two generic "stream" and "river" in OSM? Currently they are just putting in the name field, so the only ways to fide all "brooks"

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-09 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 09.12.2018 o 12:34, Eugene Podshivalov pisze: > How would you map American "streamlet", "brook", "creek" and "river" > to the two generic "stream" and "river" in OSM? > Currently they are just putting in the name field, so the only ways to > fide all "brooks" is by searching the name fields

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-09 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
вс, 9 дек. 2018 г. в 14:10, Marc Gemis : > We have tags for that (waterway=stream, ditch, ... / amenity=school, > college, university, kindergarten), I don't understand why we should > change the usage of name for that. How would you map American "streamlet", "brook", "creek" and "river" to the

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-09 Thread Marc Gemis
Alsmost any proper name can be used without it's common name depending on the context, e.g. if you are discussing "Atlantic ocean" with your friend you can say just "Atlantic". I don't think this is true in all languages. We never do this e.g. for the North Sea, which is Noordzee in Dutch. We

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-09 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 04:17, Joseph Eisenberg : > For example, in America we can call a waterway=stream a “brook”, “creek”, > “run” and several other things. These waterways will be tagged > waterway=stream or =river (depending on size) with name=“Bull Run”, > =“Walker Creek”, =“Johnson’s Brook”,

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-08 Thread Michael Patrick
> From: Martin Koppenhoefer > thank you for the references to the specific standards. I’m going to look > more into it. Problem is if these are hundreds of pages most people will > not look the tags up ;-) > You're welcome, and I totally agree with your observation, especially considering the

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
thank you for the references to the specific standards. I’m going to look more into it. Problem is if these are hundreds of pages most people will not look the tags up ;-) sent from a phone On 7. Dec 2018, at 05:30, Michael Patrick wrote: >> FWIW, with regard to dictionaries, in the case

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-07 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
Do they not have grade eight roofers in the US? 7.12.2018 01:38 tarihinde Michael Patrick yazdı: > > great you name carpenters, because there were actually some > problems in the > past classifying people working with wood. ... Can you explain the > difference between a framer, a

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Of these two, “designation=*” is the best option, because it would be the same key in all countries. On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 6:50 PM Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > I assume that the aforementioned issue with the official classification of > settlement being deferent from the place tags values is

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-07 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
I assume that the aforementioned issue with the official classification of settlement being deferent from the place tags values is faced in many countries. So some common approach is needed here. There were many solutioned listed above, but it seems that only the following two are suitable for

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
On 12/7/18, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: >> чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 19:30, Kevin Kenny : >> ... Is it immediately obvious in the field that one thing is a >> 'gorod' and another is a 'gorodskoy posyolok,' while a third is a >> 'perevnya?' If so, what is the difference? ... > > They cannot be put into

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
6 Dec 2018, 01:45 by s...@smz.it: > > I mean, in a more general way and going back to the pond case, > > >> >> object 1: >> >> >>> >>> >>> natural=water >>> water=pond >>> water:RU=пруд >>> >>> >>> >> >> object 2 >> >> >>> >>> >>> natural=water >>> water=pond >>> water:RU=копанка >>> >>>

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6. Dec 2018, at 23:38, Michael Patrick wrote: > > This also leaves room for reconciling it with other classifications - > Japanese style carpentry roles are more or less orthogonal to Western style, you are right that there are dictionaries about this stuff, but you

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
6 Dec 2018, 12:51 by yauge...@gmail.com: > Another solution is to always put category name into "name" field. "Paris" > would become "City of Paris" or "Paris city". > name tag is for name, not for category___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
6. Dec 2018 16:56 by yauge...@gmail.com : > Let's look into some other examples.> Settlements are supposed to be defined > with place=city/town/village/hamlet/isolated_dwelling tags. The value depends > on the size of the settlement.> But in Belarus for example we

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Michael Patrick
> great you name carpenters, because there were actually some problems in the > past classifying people working with wood. ... Can you explain the > difference between a framer, a carpenter, a cabinet maker, a joiner, a > finish carpenter, a timberman, a ring builder, a jerry man, a binder? >

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 11:58 PM Eugene Podshivalov But in Belarus for example we call our settlements "город" (can be city or > town), "городской посёлок" (can be town or village), > "посёлок"/"деревня"/"хутор" (can be village or hamlet or isolated_dwelling). > When people use the maps created form

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:38 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > For example I would see the distinction between a hamlet and a village in > a functional criterion, while in Europe it is often clear what is a town > and what is a big village, from looking at the legal situation (history is > usually

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 6. Dez. 2018 um 16:58 Uhr schrieb Eugene Podshivalov < yauge...@gmail.com>: > Let's look into some other examples. > Settlements are supposed to be defined with > place=city/town/village/hamlet/isolated_dwelling tags. The value depends on > the size of the settlement. > this is not a

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 10:58 AM Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > Let's look into some other examples. > Settlements are supposed to be defined with > place=city/town/village/hamlet/isolated_dwelling tags. The value depends on > the size of the settlement. > But in Belarus for example we call our

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
Let's look into some other examples. Settlements are supposed to be defined with place=city/town/village/hamlet/isolated_dwelling tags. The value depends on the size of the settlement. But in Belarus for example we call our settlements "город" (can be city or town), "городской посёлок" (can be

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Xavier
On Thu, Dec 06, 2018 at 04:44:43PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: btw, just saw that roofer is defined as: "A workplace or office of a tradesman who is specialized in roof construction.", IMHO this should be more specific (if I am not misguided) by pointing out it isn't about the structure

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 6. Dez. 2018 um 15:52 Uhr schrieb Kevin Kenny < kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com>: > > Right. But please don't resort to local-language words for terms that do > have a satisfactory UK-English equivalent. Don't use craft=menuiscier in > French when 'carpenter' is a serviceable English word. And

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Sergio Manzi
Totally agreed! Thanks! Now, do you see anything wrong in an attempt of being "/cross-cultuarlly correct/" and, _just as an example_,  tag a feature as: shop=deli shop:it=salumeria ? That, I think, would have value added for both "/an American in Rome/", trying to find a place where

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:31 AM Sergio Manzi wrote: > That's what I'm often hearing, and not only from you, but have a look at > wiki page about the *craft *key [1 > ], as in there I can read: > > "*You are free to use values that match your needs as

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Sergio Manzi
That's what I'm often hearing, and not only from you, but have a look at wiki page about the /craft /key [1 ], as in there I can read: "/You are *free *to use *values *that match your needs as a mapper and your local or country environment,

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 12:39 PM Sergio Manzi wrote: > Eugene, those are "*proper names*" and as such they are untranslatable, > and that's exactly why to put a category name within a proper name is "*a > very bad idea (tm)*". But if a proper name happens to have a category has > part of its

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6. Dec 2018, at 13:30, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > > And how would you translate into French such American waterway=stream's as > “Bull Run”, “Walker Creek”, “Johnson’s Brook”, etc. we do not translate anything, we do add names in different languages, but these

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Sergio Manzi
Eugene, those are "/proper names/" and as such they are untranslatable, and that's exactly why to put a category name within a proper name is "/a very bad idea (tm)/". But if a proper name happens to have a category has part of its proper name, just leave it alone... no problem... Cheers!

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 6. Dec 2018, at 13:17, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > > I am pursonally not in favour of the solution with category names in the > "name" but have mentioned it because it is currently used in every country > for highway=residential ways. there is no way we could/would

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
And how would you translate into French such American waterway=stream's as “Bull Run”, “Walker Creek”, “Johnson’s Brook”, etc. чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 15:25, Eugene Podshivalov : > Sergio, >> >> how would you make up the name for one of yours пруд or копанка in >> English? > > Let me please answer

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
Sergio, > > how would you make up the name for one of yours пруд or копанка in English > ? Let me please answer your question with a question How to you translate your French highway=residential's into in English like "Cité Pasteur", "Rue André Bru", "Voie des Roses" etc? чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
I am pursonally not in favour of the solution with category names in the "name" but have mentioned it because it is currently used in every country for highway=residential ways. чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 15:08, Sergio Manzi : > That's (*quite obviously I would say...*) not a solution: all it does is

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Sergio Manzi
That's (/quite obviously I would say.../) not a solution: all it does is to move the problem from one place to another: how would you make up the name for one of yoursпруд or копанка in English? On 2018-12-06 12:51, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > Another solution is to always put category name

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Marc Gemis
> Another solution is to always put category name into "name" field. "Paris" > would become "City of Paris" or "Paris city". > And the renderers will need to decide how to cut the category word from some > names in order not to display then on the map or another ready-to-use tag > will need to

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
Another solution is to always put category name into "name" field. "Paris" would become "City of Paris" or "Paris city". And the renderers will need to decide how to cut the category word from some names in order not to display then on the map or another ready-to-use tag will need to be inroduce

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Simon Poole
Just to inject a bit of OT here - the EN name of the Vierwaldstättersee is Lake Lucerne - the literal translation is "lake of the four forest settlements" (only loosely related to the notion of cantons) In both cases naming the lake  "Lucerne" or "Vierwaldstätten" would obviously be nonsense.

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
description - is used for other purposes already - it lets you describe an object in free manner which can be several sentances long. чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 12:50, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 06/12/18 20:25, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > > Let me clarify the meaning of those Russian words >

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Warin
On 06/12/18 20:25, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: Let me clarify the meaning of those Russian words "пруд" - is usually a natural but modified by a man body of water which is smaller than lake. this is usually translated as "pond" "копанка" - is a very small body of water, escavated by an individual

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
Let me clarify the meaning of those Russian words "пруд" - is usually a natural but modified by a man body of water which is smaller than lake. this is usually translated as "pond" "копанка" - is a very small body of water, escavated by an individual family for private fishing, usually of a square

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Johnparis
Thanks, Michal. Following that link led me to: shop=butcher + butcher=pork which specifically mentions charcuterie. Presumably covers this too. Best, John On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:18 AM Michal Fabík wrote: > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 10:03 PM Sergio Manzi wrote: > > I have the same problem

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 17:06, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 5. Dec 2018, at 22:02, Sergio Manzi wrote: > > > > I have the same problem for some shop categories which are not part of > the US/UK tradition: an Italian "salumeria" [1] is in no way similar to a > US

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Michal Fabík
On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 10:03 PM Sergio Manzi wrote: > I have the same problem for some shop categories which are not part of the > US/UK tradition: an Italian "salumeria" [1] is in no way similar to a US > "deli" shop... Hi, the wiki specifically mentions this and suggests a different way of

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Dec 2018, at 22:02, Sergio Manzi wrote: > > I have the same problem for some shop categories which are not part of the > US/UK tradition: an Italian "salumeria" [1] is in no way similar to a US > "deli" shop... indeed there could be room to add a category or

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Sergio Manzi
Joseph, I take note of your opinion (/but I beg to differ as I was thinking in a general/theoretical way and not specifically to the example brought on by Eugene/). Just let me clarify that in my examples the English tag were always present (/there were always water=pond/): *that was on

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It’s difficult enough that Indonesians have to understand English to use OpenStreetMap effectively, or at least have to find English-based tags that match Indonesian words. But if we encourage inventing tagging things in hundreds of languages it will become even more difficult to use this global

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: “once someone told me that Eskimo people have dozens of different names for "snow"” It’s a bit complex, starting with defining “Eskimo”: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow Many Trans-New-Guinean languages here will use only one word for all water features, eg river, lake,

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Sergio Manzi
Naaahhh... just "complex/" /or/"/complicated"  (/I don't know which one is better in English/)...    :-) On 2018-12-06 00:48, Paul Allen wrote: > The real world is messy. > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 11:43 PM Sergio Manzi wrote: > so maybe there could be two things that for me and you are both a "pond", > but for a Russian are two different things that must be distinguished... > It's entirely possible. I believe that Russian uses a single word for both apes and

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Sergio Manzi
/air == water/ is one of those things that makes me really smile and think on how wonderfully diverse we are... but your examples are different to what I thought. In my examples it would be: natural:ID=air water:ID=danau which I understand it would be overkill and probably better

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Assuming that “озеро” is a more or less direct translation of “lake”, then the Russian use is going to have to search for “water=lake”, though I hope someone will make a translation interface for Overpass Turbo that will understand natural language queries. You wouldn’t suggest that I add tags

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Probably should be name=Байкал name:en=Lake Baikal Etc. But I don’t see a need to translate water=lake into Russian; lest we have to do this for every tag in every language. But I believe the Editor applications, like JOSM and ID, will provide a Russian translation for mappers. Thu, Dec 6,

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: > “when you search for "water=lake" tag you don't necesseraly get "озеро" (which is usually tranlated from Russian as "lake"). > So unless you have "озеро" in the name tag you will never find all these objects which are called "озеро" in Russian. Ok, so you’ve noticed that many lakes are

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Sergio Manzi
I understand the name of Lake Baikal in Russian is "Байкал", without the "озерo" attribute, but you want to be able to search for озеро as well: would the following be acceptable/valid? water=lake water:RU=озеро name=Lake Baikal name:RU=Байкал name:FR=Lac Baïkal On

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread marc marc
Le 05. 12. 18 à 23:41, Eugene Podshivalov a écrit : > I did see that in France they put their local school categories into > "school:FR" tag but do you think this approach can be propogated for all > other categories? school:FR is a visible sign of a failure of the global proposal for school

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
Marc and OSMDoudou, I did see that in France they put their local school categories into "school:FR" tag but do you think this approach can be propogated for all other categories? E.g. in Russian there are different types of man-made small bodies of water. Will it work to denote them as

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Sergio Manzi
you're probably right, but it would nonetheless be the "/child of a lesser God/" compared to a "deli" in New York, USA... On 2018-12-05 22:51, Dave F wrote: > Going off topic, but you /can/ tag it as "shop=salumeria", it will still be > searchable & will be displayed on the standard map with

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Dave F
Going off topic, but you /can/ tag it as "shop=salumeria", it will still be searchable & will be displayed on the standard map with its name & a dot. DaveF On 05/12/2018 21:26, Sergio Manzi wrote: But maybe I've misunderstood your question: if you where asking how I would like to tag a

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 04:04, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > if you cannot perform such simple tasks with it like getting a list of for > example lakes within a specific country? You search for water=lake but you > get results which differ a lot from what is locally called a "lake". > When you say

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread marc marc
Le 05. 12. 18 à 20:20, Eugene Podshivalov a écrit : > Marc, > > the "lake of the 4 cantons" in Switzerland is called the "lake of > the 4 cantons". If you ask someone where "of the 4 cantons" are > located, > he don't understand what you're talking about because that not its >

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Sergio Manzi
... or maybe a better solution, if we would like the kind of shop to be comprhensible to people of different culture, then I would establish a namespace for food shops and then specify the (/locally relevant/) kind of shop, like eg. shop:food=salumeria. On 2018-12-05 22:26, Sergio Manzi wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Sergio Manzi
There is no way I can think of: for lack of better tagging some very different shop categories (/very different in our culture..//./), like the aforementioned "salumeria", "rosticeria", "polleria", the generic "alimentari", and many others, have all been tagged as "shop=deli", so we have "/lost

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread OSMDoudou
So, are you then asking how to find this school or any other, without searching through the name tag ? Then, search for elements tagged with amenity=school. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=school And if you want to search elementary schools, search for school=* or

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
Sergio, > > I don't think one should try to frame what is a local French reality, an > "École > primaire", into an US or UK based context The is no need to do it. But there should be some generally recognized concept for doing it locally for local context. What is your solution for denoting

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Sergio Manzi
P.S.: ... but if I want my /salumeria /to show up on the map, I *have to* "/lie for the rendering/" and tag it as a shop=deli: but'I'm not happy at all... On 2018-12-05 22:02, Sergio Manzi wrote: > > Once again, reality is complex and multifaced: I don't think one should try > to frame what is

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Sergio Manzi
Once again, reality is complex and multifaced: I don't think one should try to frame what is a local French reality, an "École primaire", into an US or UK based context: let the French decide... I have the same problem for some shop categories which are not part of the US/UK tradition: an

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
>> Consequently I don't see a real issue there. >> >> Yours >> >> LeTopographeFou >> *De:* yauge...@gmail.com >> *Envoyé:* 5 décembre 2018 7:37 PM >> *À:* tagging@openstreetmap.org >> *Répondre à:* tagging@openstreetmap.org >> *Objet:* Re: [

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Imre Samu
> > Yours > > LeTopographeFou > *De:* yauge...@gmail.com > *Envoyé:* 5 décembre 2018 7:37 PM > *À:* tagging@openstreetmap.org > *Répondre à:* tagging@openstreetmap.org > *Objet:* Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database? > > Martin, > >> this is alre

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
OSMDoudou, > Do you mean "École primaire des Quatre Fils" doesn't have a proper name ? > What would be a better name ? I would say that the category is "École primaire" and the proper name is "des Quatre Fils" but the the commonly used phrase is all together. The question was about some general

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
Marc, > > the "lake of the 4 cantons" in Switzerland is called the "lake of > the 4 cantons". If you ask someone where "of the 4 cantons" are located, > he don't understand what you're talking about because that not its name. Would you be understoon if you ask someone "where is 'The 4 cantons""?

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Topographe Fou
...@gmail.comEnvoyé: 5 décembre 2018 7:37 PMÀ: tagging@openstreetmap.orgRépondre à: tagging@openstreetmap.orgObjet: Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database? Martin,this is already the case. At least it should be like this, if you see places where the name tag is abused for descriptions you should fix

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread OSMDoudou
> Let's take at look at this spot in the centre of Paris > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/48.86138/2.36028 > You can see category names displayed everywhere there, e.g. musium, hotel, > school (in French). > As a result when you query OSM database for some category items you have to >

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread marc marc
Le 05. 12. 18 à 19:36, Eugene Podshivalov a écrit : > The name tag is abused very often and systematically. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/48.86138/2.36028 just because a hotel's name contains the word hotel does not necessarily mean it is a false name. Some names are "hotêl abc" and

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
Martin, > this is already the case. At least it should be like this, if you see > places where the name tag is abused for descriptions you should fix it. I > admit, it is not always possible to clearly tell which is the correct name, > for some kind of things, not even in the real world. > At

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
François, > > This is nevertheless not related to the geospacial nor relational database > type but it's localisation issues. On one hand you are right, on the other hand how can you call OSM a database if you cannot perform such simple tasks with it like getting a list of for example lakes

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread François Lacombe
Thanks Eugene, That's a good example and I agree with you. This is nevertheless not related to the geospacial nor relational database type but it's localisation issues. Then I'm ok with you regarding name tags, it's hard to maintain at world scale and is often cluttered with specific local terms

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Eugene Podshivalov
Hi François, I guess you come from France, so let's me try to get some example applicable to your location. I do not know much about edicuation system in France but found out from wiki that your school system consists of "ecole maternelle", "ecole elementaire", "college" and "lycee". How do you

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 5. Dez. 2018 um 16:50 Uhr schrieb Eugene Podshivalov < yauge...@gmail.com>: > I invision the following solution here. > > * First of all, the "name" tag should containt proper name only. > this is already the case. At least it should be like this, if you see places where the name tag is

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread François Lacombe
Hi Eugene, I don't get the link between geospatial db or not and the difficulties regarding the local side of tagging. The same issues can raise on geospatial db as well don't you ? All the best François Le mer. 5 déc. 2018 à 16:50, Eugene Podshivalov a écrit : > This email is a forward