RE: Jaws and copy text question

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

That’s how it often goes with some new things.

At least JAWS has a kind of equivalent method that can be employed if you like 
the f8 method.  True, not the same keystrokes, but, it does achieve pretty much 
the same thing.

Just shows how folks can get used to, then embrace something they first aren’t 
sure about.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Chris G via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:50 PM
To: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Subject: Re: Jaws and copy text question

 Original Message 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:11 PM EST
To: 'David Moore'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Jaws and copy text question

I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome.

Wow, I wish I heard this when the F8 method was first introduced in 9.0. 
  If I remember right, it was the worst feature ever introduced. (smile)

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RE: Jaws and copy text question

[Dennis Long via Talk]

You would be correct Chris that was all I heard.

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On Behalf Of Chris G via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:50 PM
To: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Subject: Re: Jaws and copy text question

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From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:11 PM EST
To: 'David Moore'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Jaws and copy text question

I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome.

Wow, I wish I heard this when the F8 method was first introduced in 9.0. 
  If I remember right, it was the worst feature ever introduced. (smile)

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Re: Jaws and copy text question

[Chris G via Talk]

 Original Message 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:11 PM EST
To: 'David Moore'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Jaws and copy text question

I tell you, the Window-Eyes method for copying text is less cumbersome.

Wow, I wish I heard this when the F8 method was first introduced in 9.0. 
 If I remember right, it was the worst feature ever introduced. (smile)


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RE: Jaws and desktop

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Neville,

Try pressing Windows-M twice.

Hth,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Neville via Talk
Sent: May 26, 2017 7:32 PM
To: Jim via Talk 
Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop

Hi,
My original question on this thread was how to close a programme and 
give focus to the desktop while using Jaws and have speech.

Upon exiting a programme like Thunderbird with alt F4, where Window-Eyes 
gave focus to the Desktop with speech, Jaws does not. Well, on my system 
anyway.  The only way I can give focus to the Desktop and have speech is 
to to press Windows d after exiting the programme.

Pressing Windows m or Windows d does give focus to the Desktop with 
speech but the programme has only been minimized and not closed.

By just using alt F4, can anyone exit a programme or drive, give focus 
to the Desktop with Jaws talking.


Thanks
Neville.
On 27/05/2017 3:09 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:
> Nk there GUYS!
> 
> I just tried both the 'windows+d as well as the 'windows+m' and they 
> both minimized the current program.  So I guess you both are correct! 
> Just thought I would let you know.  Catch Ya Later! de 
> .
> 
> 
> On 26-May-17 12:21, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> I was taught that it was exactly the opposite of what you say.  That 
>> windows key minimizes things when you go to the desktop, and windows 
>> key doesn't. Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:24 AM
>> To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop
>>
>> the correct key is windows d. not windows m. windows m will not 
>> minimize things
>> like dialog boxes that may be opened in a program. windows d will 
>> minimize
>> everything.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 5:37 AM
>> To: Neville via Talk
>> Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop
>>
>> Try using windows key M to get back to the desktop.
>>
>> On 5/26/2017 12:03 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Just authorized the latest copy of Jaws and very much a learner.
>>>
>>> When exiting a programme, say Thundrbird, or exiting a drive for the 
>>> Desktop, ,after pressing alt F4 Jaws goes quiet. The pressing of 
>>> Windows d once or twice is required to place focus back on the Desktop.
>>>
>>> Is this annoying behaviour normal for Jaws or do I need to change 
>>> some setting somewhere?  If so, which setting and where?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Neville.
>>>
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Re: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Yes, you'll hear it when he unloads and reloads Jaws.

On 5/26/2017 5:21 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I'll have to go back and listen to Raul's tute, possibly number 2, again 
because I think there is a sound heard when he closed Jaws.

Neville.

On 27/05/2017 3:28 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

Thanks for the info Chris.

On 5/26/2017 9:46 AM, Chris G via Talk wrote:

I don't think that is an option in JAWS.



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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:56 PM EST
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Subject: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

How does one go about assigning a sound when loading and unloading Jaws?
Using windows ten.
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Re: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

[Chris G via Talk]

you can have a sound for opening and closing programs.  That wouldn't be 
jaws specific though.




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From: Neville via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:21 PM EST
To: brice Mijares via Talk
Subject: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

Hi,
I'll have to go back and listen to Raul's tute, possibly number 2, again
because I think there is a sound heard when he closed Jaws.
Neville.

On 27/05/2017 3:28 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
Thanks for the info Chris.

On 5/26/2017 9:46 AM, Chris G via Talk wrote:
I don't think that is an option in JAWS.



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From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:56 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

How does one go about assigning a sound when loading and unloading Jaws?
Using windows ten.
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RE: Raul, Carol is happily using the Caps-Lock key

[David Moore via Talk]

I know many people including me, who have a desktop and still use the laptop 
layout for JAWS, because you gain a lot of extra commands that are easier to 
perform than always using the numpad, plus, you gain the caps lock. For 
example, try this command using the numpad LOL! To look up a word your cursor 
is sitting on and get its definition using research it, press Insert+Windows+R. 
The definition will come up immediately. Now, Try using Caps lock+Windows+R and 
see how much easier that is to do LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 4:15 PM
To: 'Carol and Roger'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Raul, Carol is happily using the Caps-Lock key

Well, my laptop has a full-size keyboard; so, on the NumPad, I turn off the
NumLock and use the 0 key as the Insert key.  I'd only need to use the
CapsLock as a modified Insert key if my laptop DOES NOT have regular
computer keyboard.  In essence, whether on a laptop, or on a desktop
computer, I always use the default desktop keyboard setting.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 


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Re: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

[Neville via Talk]

Hi,
I'll have to go back and listen to Raul's tute, possibly number 2, again 
because I think there is a sound heard when he closed Jaws.

Neville.

On 27/05/2017 3:28 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

Thanks for the info Chris.

On 5/26/2017 9:46 AM, Chris G via Talk wrote:

I don't think that is an option in JAWS.



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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:56 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

How does one go about assigning a sound when loading and unloading Jaws?
Using windows ten.
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RE: New version of zoomtext fusion.

[matthew dyer via Talk]

Hi,

If you have zt 10 installed, you will have to remove it to get 11 to work. that 
is taken from the fs cast from 140.  Hth.

Matthew



On May 26, 2017 3:00:36 PM EDT, Joseph Norton via Talk 
 wrote:
>Hi there:
>
>I may be able to help, to a point.
>
>Just for the heck of it, I’m going to install Fusion 10 and then see
>what happens if I put the new version on top of it.  I’m a glutton for
>punishment.  I’ll report back.
>
>
>
>Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>From: Reeva Webb via Talk
>Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:33 PM
>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Subject: New version of zoomtext fusion.
>
>Ok, saw  new jaws version of zoomtext fusion was released yesterday. I
>brought this up out here, attempted to email doug geoffray (sorry if i
>spelled last name wrong) email address that he emailed the list with
>and it
>came back as undeliverable. Also wrote using contact form on vfo
>website
>but hasn't heard anything in response.  I just called sales to ask how
>much
>upgrading would be and the answer was $200 for the upgrade. Personally,
>since the people who bought the we based version of zt fusion are in
>the
>same boat as we people, i'm not saying the product should be given to
>us
>free, at least a discounted upgrade price should be offered. While i
>understand the name zoomtext fusion is being used, it's a different
>program. Obviously jaws is the screen reader and not we but also, for
>zoomtext to work with jaws, zoomtext hotkeys were changed.  I can't get
>clear answer on this but my understanding is that in the new zoomtext
>fusion the neospeech voices kate and paul will not be there. Which
>selling
>a zoomtext product without them is like selling jaws without eloquence.
>Kate has been my voice for screenreading for almost 14 years. I need
>her. I
>bought the we version of zoomtext fusion as i was using we for office
>and
>zoomtext together and having them work well with each other was what i
>needed. I spent $400 to buy the we version of fusion. As it stands, if
>i
>upgrade,  $200 for the software, $100 to neospeech to buy kate and paul
> if
>they ain't included and $200 for a sma. I'm now spending more tohen
>what i
>spent to buy fusion in the first place. I haven't touched jaws since
>middle
>school, while i'm sure i can get basics of jaws if they somewhat
>similar to
>15 years back. Anything passed that paying for training is something i
>might have to do. Not to mention there are several we apps i used with
>fusion. I have no idea if similar scripts exist for jaws. I'm not
>trying to
>be whinning entitled person. Y'all say this isn't the fs of the past
>and
>y'all do y'all customers right.  I'm willing to give y'all a chance.
>
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>night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of
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Re: Jaws and desktop

[Neville via Talk]

Hi,
My original question on this thread was how to close a programme and 
give focus to the desktop while using Jaws and have speech.


Upon exiting a programme like Thunderbird with alt F4, where Window-Eyes 
gave focus to the Desktop with speech, Jaws does not. Well, on my system 
anyway.  The only way I can give focus to the Desktop and have speech is 
to to press Windows d after exiting the programme.


Pressing Windows m or Windows d does give focus to the Desktop with 
speech but the programme has only been minimized and not closed.


By just using alt F4, can anyone exit a programme or drive, give focus 
to the Desktop with Jaws talking.



Thanks
Neville.
On 27/05/2017 3:09 AM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Nk there GUYS!

I just tried both the 'windows+d as well as the 'windows+m' and they 
both minimized the current program.  So I guess you both are correct! 
Just thought I would let you know.  Catch Ya Later! de 
.



On 26-May-17 12:21, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I was taught that it was exactly the opposite of what you say.  That 
windows key minimizes things when you go to the desktop, and windows 
key doesn't. Pam.


-Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:24 AM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop

the correct key is windows d. not windows m. windows m will not 
minimize things
like dialog boxes that may be opened in a program. windows d will 
minimize

everything.

-Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 5:37 AM
To: Neville via Talk
Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop

Try using windows key M to get back to the desktop.

On 5/26/2017 12:03 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,
Just authorized the latest copy of Jaws and very much a learner.

When exiting a programme, say Thundrbird, or exiting a drive for the 
Desktop, ,after pressing alt F4 Jaws goes quiet. The pressing of 
Windows d once or twice is required to place focus back on the Desktop.


Is this annoying behaviour normal for Jaws or do I need to change 
some setting somewhere?  If so, which setting and where?



Thanks
Neville.

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RE: ZoomText Fusion?

[Dennis Long via Talk]

If it only costs you $200 to upgrade I would do that.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 7:01 PM
To: James Wohlgamuth; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: ZoomText Fusion?

Zt fusion home is $1200 and sma is $200, pro is $1500 and $300 sma. Yes,
there's a demo that runs for 40 minutes at a time here:

https://www.zoomtext.com/products/zoomtext-fusion/


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Reeva

On May 26, 2017 2:21 PM, "Jim via Talk"  wrote:

> Hi there folks!
>
> Was wondering what the cost of Zoom text  or Zoom text fusion is? I do 
> have some usable vision, and would like to give fusion a try.  Is 
> there a trial version of this program? THANKS! de
>
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Re: ZoomText Fusion?

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Zt fusion home is $1200 and sma is $200, pro is $1500 and $300 sma. Yes,
there's a demo that runs for 40 minutes at a time here:

https://www.zoomtext.com/products/zoomtext-fusion/


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night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 26, 2017 2:21 PM, "Jim via Talk"  wrote:

> Hi there folks!
>
> Was wondering what the cost of Zoom text  or Zoom text fusion is? I do
> have some usable vision, and would like to give fusion a try.  Is there a
> trial version of this program? THANKS! de
>
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RE: End of Life Message

[Andre via Talk]

Now that was truly hilarious Olusegun. Even though I hate the death of
Window-Eyes, I really enjoyed your message. Of course, this could be in bad
taste, but I wish it had been the biggest giant instead because I realize
after taking it for a spin for a day or so just how powerful Window-Eyes
truly was with it's more open scripting nature than JAWS. Plus, just the way
things are done in JAWS to me seems a little antiquated and clunky. But I
suppose I just have to get used to it and I really am grateful for the
opportunity.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:56 PM
To: 'Carol and Roger'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: End of Life Message

Ain't it nice that Window-Eyes is finally announcing its own obituary?  I
know it does take a while to bury a giant, especially when so many friends,
family, and well wishers are expected to show up at the funeral.  Hmm, sleep
well Window-Eyes!  Everything does die after a fashion, it's your turn,
sleep well!  There will come a day when my fingers can't type a character on
this keyboard anymore, and I'll join you in that grave!  For now, sleep well
and prepare a smooth passage space for me!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Message numbers in particular mailboxes?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

On my computer, and it's getting to where I am afraid to post anything, 
the number on the outside of the folder, at least for me, using 
Thunderbird, indicates the number of unread messages.  Once I delete 
messages, I (because I have multiple accounts) shift tab to the folder 
list and right arrow twice to refresh the numbers and then left arrow 
twice to get back to the folders list and the numbers automatically have 
updated.  Since I can't keep tract of the actual number of messages with 
Jaws, I use this a lot to keep up with unread messages.


Carol, who is taking a break from Thunderbird.


Hi there Folks!


It seem as though after deleting messages from particular boxes, the 
message number doesn't seem to change. For example, I have a box 
called important.  Let say there is 100 messages in this box and I 
decide to delete 20 of them. When I shift tab back to the important 
box Jaws  still reports there are 100 messages in this box.  I 
frequently empty and compress the trash boxes so I don't believe this 
is an actual issue.  Does anyone know what I might try to get the 
correct number of messages in each of my boxes? Thanks much! de


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RE: End of Life Message

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Ain't it nice that Window-Eyes is finally announcing its own obituary?  I
know it does take a while to bury a giant, especially when so many friends,
family, and well wishers are expected to show up at the funeral.  Hmm, sleep
well Window-Eyes!  Everything does die after a fashion, it's your turn,
sleep well!  There will come a day when my fingers can't type a character on
this keyboard anymore, and I'll join you in that grave!  For now, sleep well
and prepare a smooth passage space for me!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: Raul, Carol is happily using the Caps-Lock key

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Well, my laptop has a full-size keyboard; so, on the NumPad, I turn off the
NumLock and use the 0 key as the Insert key.  I'd only need to use the
CapsLock as a modified Insert key if my laptop DOES NOT have regular
computer keyboard.  In essence, whether on a laptop, or on a desktop
computer, I always use the default desktop keyboard setting.

Sincerely,
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Message numbers in particular mailboxes?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there Folks!

It seem as though after deleting messages from particular boxes, the 
message number doesn't seem to change. For example, I have a box called 
important.  Let say there is 100 messages in this box and I decide to 
delete 20 of them. When I shift tab back to the important box Jaws  
still reports there are 100 messages in this box.  I frequently empty 
and compress the trash boxes so I don't believe this is an actual 
issue.  Does anyone know what I might try to get the correct number of 
messages in each of my boxes?  Thanks much! de


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ZoomText Fusion?

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there folks!

Was wondering what the cost of Zoom text  or Zoom text fusion is? I do 
have some usable vision, and would like to give fusion a try.  Is there 
a trial version of this program? THANKS! de


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RE: New version of zoomtext fusion.

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi there:

I may be able to help, to a point.

Just for the heck of it, I’m going to install Fusion 10 and then see what 
happens if I put the new version on top of it.  I’m a glutton for punishment.  
I’ll report back.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: New version of zoomtext fusion.

Ok, saw  new jaws version of zoomtext fusion was released yesterday. I
brought this up out here, attempted to email doug geoffray (sorry if i
spelled last name wrong) email address that he emailed the list with and it
came back as undeliverable. Also wrote using contact form on vfo website
but hasn't heard anything in response.  I just called sales to ask how much
upgrading would be and the answer was $200 for the upgrade. Personally,
since the people who bought the we based version of zt fusion are in the
same boat as we people, i'm not saying the product should be given to us
free, at least a discounted upgrade price should be offered. While i
understand the name zoomtext fusion is being used, it's a different
program. Obviously jaws is the screen reader and not we but also, for
zoomtext to work with jaws, zoomtext hotkeys were changed.  I can't get
clear answer on this but my understanding is that in the new zoomtext
fusion the neospeech voices kate and paul will not be there. Which selling
a zoomtext product without them is like selling jaws without eloquence.
Kate has been my voice for screenreading for almost 14 years. I need her. I
bought the we version of zoomtext fusion as i was using we for office and
zoomtext together and having them work well with each other was what i
needed. I spent $400 to buy the we version of fusion. As it stands, if i
upgrade,  $200 for the software, $100 to neospeech to buy kate and paul  if
they ain't included and $200 for a sma. I'm now spending more tohen what i
spent to buy fusion in the first place. I haven't touched jaws since middle
school, while i'm sure i can get basics of jaws if they somewhat similar to
15 years back. Anything passed that paying for training is something i
might have to do. Not to mention there are several we apps i used with
fusion. I have no idea if similar scripts exist for jaws. I'm not trying to
be whinning entitled person. Y'all say this isn't the fs of the past and
y'all do y'all customers right.  I'm willing to give y'all a chance.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva
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New version of zoomtext fusion.

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Ok, saw  new jaws version of zoomtext fusion was released yesterday. I
brought this up out here, attempted to email doug geoffray (sorry if i
spelled last name wrong) email address that he emailed the list with and it
came back as undeliverable. Also wrote using contact form on vfo website
but hasn't heard anything in response.  I just called sales to ask how much
upgrading would be and the answer was $200 for the upgrade. Personally,
since the people who bought the we based version of zt fusion are in the
same boat as we people, i'm not saying the product should be given to us
free, at least a discounted upgrade price should be offered. While i
understand the name zoomtext fusion is being used, it's a different
program. Obviously jaws is the screen reader and not we but also, for
zoomtext to work with jaws, zoomtext hotkeys were changed.  I can't get
clear answer on this but my understanding is that in the new zoomtext
fusion the neospeech voices kate and paul will not be there. Which selling
a zoomtext product without them is like selling jaws without eloquence.
Kate has been my voice for screenreading for almost 14 years. I need her. I
bought the we version of zoomtext fusion as i was using we for office and
zoomtext together and having them work well with each other was what i
needed. I spent $400 to buy the we version of fusion. As it stands, if i
upgrade,  $200 for the software, $100 to neospeech to buy kate and paul  if
they ain't included and $200 for a sma. I'm now spending more tohen what i
spent to buy fusion in the first place. I haven't touched jaws since middle
school, while i'm sure i can get basics of jaws if they somewhat similar to
15 years back. Anything passed that paying for training is something i
might have to do. Not to mention there are several we apps i used with
fusion. I have no idea if similar scripts exist for jaws. I'm not trying to
be whinning entitled person. Y'all say this isn't the fs of the past and
y'all do y'all customers right.  I'm willing to give y'all a chance.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva
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Re: End of Life Message

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

But that may be the easiest way to notify most, if not all, WE users.

On 5/26/2017 9:31 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> It's not any development.  The ap was what contained the end of life 
> message.  That's why I say they didn't have to do that.  Pam.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 6:16 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: End of Life Message
> 
>  Well, there are still people using Window-eyes, so yes,
> actually that could help people who may have had a particular problem
> that that update might fix.  I'm glad to see a little development going
> on even if it
> 
>   is in the short term.
> 
> On 5/25/2017 5:53 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Yesterday, the window eyes thing came on that tells you there are new 
>> aps to download.  It surprised me.  After I told it to download, I got 
>> that message.  So, I guess they sent an ap with that.  They really 
>> didn't need to do that!  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:14 PM
>> To: Dennis Long via Talk
>> Subject: Re: End of Life Message
>>
>> How are people getting this end of life message to come up?
>>
>> On 5/25/2017 4:10 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>>> You would be smart to learn Jaws or brush up on it so when you need 
>>> it isn't
>>> as frustrating just my opinion.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk 
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:03 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Re: End of Life Message
>>>
>>> Hi.
>>> remember, no one is saying you have to stop using Window-eyes. If it 
>>> works,
>>> keep right on using it as long as you can!  I also have JAWS once 
>>> again on
>>> this machine but very rarely do I ever use it. it's there if I ever 
>>> need it.
>>> Window-eyes is going to be my primary screenreader until it doesn't work
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>>> On 5/25/2017 11:48 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:
 Hello List,

 I turn Window-eyes on manually.  Yesterday after my computer almost
 died due to multiple and random power surges, I got the Window-eyes
 End of Life Notification.  Really depressing.  I wish they had just
 said window-eyes Discontinuation Notice - it would have been less
 ominous.

 Fortunately, my husband revived my Window7 machine and Window-eyes
 still works.  I need to use Jaws more often so I can learn it, but I
 just can't bring myself to do so when Window-Eyes works with programs
 like Vipre and Jaws doesn't.  Also, Window-Eyes has a setting which
 makes it work in safe mode and Jaws doesn't.

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Re: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Thanks for the info Chris.

On 5/26/2017 9:46 AM, Chris G via Talk wrote:

I don't think that is an option in JAWS.



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From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:56 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

How does one go about assigning a sound when loading and unloading Jaws?
Using windows ten.
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Re: Jaws and desktop

[net bat via Talk]

it depends on what is opened on the screen.
have someone watch while you do it.
try this with the w e  control panel or a jaws settings screen opened while wlm 
is opened. windows m will minimize the wlm screen but the w e control screen or 
jaws settings screen will still be opened. if you use windows d everything will 
minimize. both ways will put the screen reader focus on the desktop but windows 
m will not minimize the w e control screen or jaws settings screen.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 10:09 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop

Nk there GUYS!

I just tried both the 'windows+d as well as the 'windows+m' and they
both minimized the current program.  So I guess you both are correct!
Just thought I would let you know.  Catch Ya Later! de .


On 26-May-17 12:21, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I was taught that it was exactly the opposite of what you say.  That windows 
key minimizes things when you go to the desktop, and windows key doesn't. 
Pam.


-Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:24 AM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop

the correct key is windows d. not windows m. windows m will not minimize 
things

like dialog boxes that may be opened in a program. windows d will minimize
everything.

-Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 5:37 AM
To: Neville via Talk
Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop

Try using windows key M to get back to the desktop.

On 5/26/2017 12:03 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,
Just authorized the latest copy of Jaws and very much a learner.

When exiting a programme, say Thundrbird, or exiting a drive for the 
Desktop, ,after pressing alt F4 Jaws goes quiet. The pressing of Windows d 
once or twice is required to place focus back on the Desktop.


Is this annoying behaviour normal for Jaws or do I need to change some 
setting somewhere?  If so, which setting and where?



Thanks
Neville.

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RE: messages keep opening in plain text mode

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Mike,

Here are my notes on Outlook:

How to configure Window-Eyes for use with Outlook

It needs to be emphasized that these steps must be done in the ordre listed.

First, install the set files for the most current version of Office or whatever 
version of Office you are using.
This is done from the Factory Settings dialog, opened from the File menu within 
the Window-Eyes control panel.
Indeed, Office 365 is the most accessible version of Office to use with any 
screen reader, and this is because Microsoft is updating it on a monthly basis.
At the time of this writing, Office 2016 is the most current version of Office, 
and it is the version included in Office 365.
Next, install the Office Enhance app, and then the Outlook Enhance app, in this 
precise order.
Even if the above two apps are already installed, you can reinstall them 
without uninstalling them.
Note that a reboot is always required after installing the Outlook Enhance app.
Next, make sure that the Outlook Enhance add-on isn't disabled within Outlook, 
as follows:
>From the main Outlook window, press:
alt-f, t, A twice, tab 4 times.
Down arrow to disabled and tab to go and press enter.
Next, arrow through, if something like Outlook Enhance is in the list, press 
space on it.
Shift-tab to enable and press enter.
Press Ok or close all dialogs you opened.
Restart outlook.

A point about the display of messages in the message window:
Alt-Shift-V toggles the virtualization of messages, that is, the display of 
message content like a web page.
This is the most convenient way to display messages since it allows the opening 
of web page links from within messages just as though you had opened them on a 
web page.
Message virtualization can also be toggled from the Outlook Enhance app menu 
from within the Window-Eyes control panel.

Further, from within the message window, the hot keys Alt-1 through 7 read the 
message headers, and, any of these, pressed a second time, will place the 
cursor on the corresponding header.
Also, the hot key Control-Alt-A opens the Save Attachments dialog, where you 
can choose a location to save any or all the files attached to the message.
Note that if the dialog does not appear when you press this hot key, the dialog 
may have opened, but you may need to Alt-tab to it.
Attachments can also be save by choosing the File Attachments option from the 
File menu within the message window.
Perhaps the easiest method of handling attachments is to press Alt-7 twice to 
focus the list of attachments, and you can tab through the various options for 
opening or saving any or all of them.

Regarding the reading of headers or saving attachments, it is possible that 
these functions might not be available or perform as expected.
In this case, it may be necessary to repeat the above configuration steps, or 
simply restart Outlook, or even reboot the system to reset all of the required 
components.
This should get everything up and running properly.

Outlook allows you to configure the display of messages in any folder, and even 
to apply such views to other folders.
This is done from the View tab in the main Outlook window.
if you find that your messages aren't displaying properly in the list of 
messages in any folder, you can reset the view by pressing the following keys, 
one at a time, Alt, V, X.
Here Ends How to configure Window-Eyes for use with Outlook

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Mike Bernard via Talk
Sent: May 26, 2017 12:40 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: messages keep opening in plain text mode

Hello everyone,

Whenever I open a message in outlook, it opens in plain text mode, and when
I try to navigate line by line, window-eyes keeps reading the current line
only. As a result, I am not able to navigate through the text of the message
with the up and down arrow keys. Is there anything I can do to fix this?
Thanks.

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RE: Outlook 2007 Question

[Van Lant, Robin via Talk]

While in the inbox, go to the View Ribbon , then tab a few times to the 
Arrangement group, then once more to the Reverse Sort, button.  If  you are not 
already viewing your inbox in date order, you will first need to go to the 
button just before this and select the Arrange by Date option.  



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+robin.van.lant=key@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Gill Pries via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:34 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Outlook 2007 Question

Hi,

I am using Microsoft Outlook 2007.  I want to have messages sorted the oldest 
first to the newest.

How do I do this?

I forgot.

Using Jaws 18 and Windows 10 creator edition.

 

Pastor Gil

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RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Marvin,

Who knows why?

Thanks,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Marvin Commerford via Talk
Sent: May 26, 2017 11:28 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Subject: Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

That's how they do!  It's always been that way so why should they adjust 
what they do?  Their installation rewrites the shortcut even if one 
already exists.  In my opinion this is just lazy on the JFW's team's 
part.  How hard would it be for them to check for an existing shortcut 
and at least keep the existing one?  When you install NVDA there's a 
checkbox where you can decide to keep the existing shortcut or have a 
new one created.  It's not hard for us to reset the hotkey but it's a 
little annoying to have to do it when all other screen readers handle 
this in a much more convenient way.

On 5/26/2017 6:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
> the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
> This happened to mine after the recent update.
> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rod
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RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Brenda,

Thanks,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: May 26, 2017 11:19 AM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk 
Subject: Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Yep, every time I do a Jaws update I have to reassign the J in the 
shortcuts menue using Window-eyes.

Not sure why VFO does it this way.  It is a real pain.

brenda

On 5/26/2017 7:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
> the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
> This happened to mine after the recent update.
> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rod
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RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Don,

Ah, you're brilliant!
That's what I'll do.

Thanks,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: May 26, 2017 9:22 AM
To: brice Mijares via Talk 
Subject: Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

I had changed the name of the desktop icon to just say Jaws so when I 
did the update a new desktop icon for jaws was created.  The old renamed 
one was still there and still had the hot key in place.  The new icon 
added by the update did not have a hot key assigned.  So I would say 
that the update replaces the existing idesktop icon if it is still named 
the default title.

On 5/26/2017 7:59 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
> Yes, I had to reset it.
> 
> On 5/26/2017 4:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set 
>> up in the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
>> This happened to mine after the recent update.
>> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
>> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rod
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RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Steve,

I simply responded to the prompt to update when Jaws launches.

Thanks,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Talk
Sent: May 26, 2017 10:07 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Rod,

Did you use the procedure to update JAWS or did you just run the latest
installation file?  I tend to run the latest installation file because I can
download it once and run it on multiple computers without the need to have
each computer download the update.  When I do that, I loose the hot key
every time.  I am not certain if this happens when I follow the update
prompt or not.  Running the latest installation file seems to have some
ability to look at what was installed because I don't have to authorize the
version again, but I loose the hot key.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:45 AM
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Subject: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in
the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Re: Jaws and desktop

[Jim via Talk]

Nk there GUYS!

I just tried both the 'windows+d as well as the 'windows+m' and they 
both minimized the current program.  So I guess you both are correct! 
Just thought I would let you know.  Catch Ya Later! de .



On 26-May-17 12:21, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
I was taught that it was exactly the opposite of what you say.  That 
windows key minimizes things when you go to the desktop, and windows 
key doesn't. Pam.


-Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:24 AM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop

the correct key is windows d. not windows m. windows m will not 
minimize things
like dialog boxes that may be opened in a program. windows d will 
minimize

everything.

-Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 5:37 AM
To: Neville via Talk
Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop

Try using windows key M to get back to the desktop.

On 5/26/2017 12:03 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,
Just authorized the latest copy of Jaws and very much a learner.

When exiting a programme, say Thundrbird, or exiting a drive for the 
Desktop, ,after pressing alt F4 Jaws goes quiet. The pressing of 
Windows d once or twice is required to place focus back on the Desktop.


Is this annoying behaviour normal for Jaws or do I need to change 
some setting somewhere?  If so, which setting and where?



Thanks
Neville.

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RE: escape, tab, enter key ETC.

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Press Jaws key+6 to get into settings center, press ctr+shift+d to use the 
default configuration.  Type the letters l a b into the edit box.  Tab over and 
press Space on the Key Label result.  A dialog will open showing you a list of 
all the keys you can change labels for.  For example, you can arrow down to Tab 
and you’ll hear JAWS say “Tab Tab Speak”.  Press Space on it and it will change 
to “Mute”.  When you’ve made all the changes you want, tab to OK and press 
Enter.  Next, you can hit alt+f4 to close Settings Center and say “Yes” to the 
prompt to save changes.

Here’s the link to the FSCast that talks about this:


http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast138-Software_Updates,Key_Labels,Eric_Damery_at_CSUN.mp3


I used Mail’s insert function, so, hopefully, it’ll play.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:58 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: escape, tab, enter key ETC.

How do we go about silencing these keys when hitting them? Thanks.
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Re: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

[Chris G via Talk]

I don't think that is an option in JAWS.



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From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 7:56 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: sounds for loading and unloading Jaws

How does one go about assigning a sound when loading and unloading Jaws?
Using windows ten.
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messages keep opening in plain text mode

[Mike Bernard via Talk]

Hello everyone,

Whenever I open a message in outlook, it opens in plain text mode, and when
I try to navigate line by line, window-eyes keeps reading the current line
only. As a result, I am not able to navigate through the text of the message
with the up and down arrow keys. Is there anything I can do to fix this?
Thanks.

Mike

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Re: Jaws and desktop

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I was taught that it was exactly the opposite of what you say.  That windows 
key minimizes things when you go to the desktop, and windows key doesn't. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:24 AM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop

the correct key is windows d. not windows m. windows m will not minimize 
things

like dialog boxes that may be opened in a program. windows d will minimize
everything.

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 5:37 AM
To: Neville via Talk
Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop

Try using windows key M to get back to the desktop.

On 5/26/2017 12:03 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,
Just authorized the latest copy of Jaws and very much a learner.

When exiting a programme, say Thundrbird, or exiting a drive for the 
Desktop, ,after pressing alt F4 Jaws goes quiet. The pressing of Windows d 
once or twice is required to place focus back on the Desktop.


Is this annoying behaviour normal for Jaws or do I need to change some 
setting somewhere?  If so, which setting and where?



Thanks
Neville.

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Re: escape, tab, enter key ETC.

[brice Mijares via Talk]

I forgot to mention, using Jaws.

On 5/26/2017 8:58 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

How do we go about silencing these keys when hitting them? Thanks.
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escape, tab, enter key ETC.

[brice Mijares via Talk]

How do we go about silencing these keys when hitting them? Thanks.
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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, It just replaced the orginal Icon on my desktop. I had never changed 
the name. My hotkey was then undefined again.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:22 AM
To: brice Mijares via Talk
Subject: Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

I had changed the name of the desktop icon to just say Jaws so when I
did the update a new desktop icon for jaws was created.  The old renamed
one was still there and still had the hot key in place.  The new icon
added by the update did not have a hot key assigned.  So I would say
that the update replaces the existing idesktop icon if it is still named
the default title.

On 5/26/2017 7:59 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

Yes, I had to reset it.

On 5/26/2017 4:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up 
in the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?

This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Outlook 2007 Question

[Gill Pries via Talk]

Hi,

I am using Microsoft Outlook 2007.  I want to have messages sorted the
oldest first to the newest.

How do I do this?

I forgot.

Using Jaws 18 and Windows 10 creator edition.

 

Pastor Gil

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Re: Jaws and desktop

[net bat via Talk]

the correct key is windows d. not windows m. windows m will not minimize things 
like dialog boxes that may be opened in a program. windows d will minimize 
everything.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 5:37 AM
To: Neville via Talk
Subject: Re: Jaws and desktop

Try using windows key M to get back to the desktop.

On 5/26/2017 12:03 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi,
Just authorized the latest copy of Jaws and very much a learner.

When exiting a programme, say Thundrbird, or exiting a drive for the Desktop, 
,after pressing alt F4 Jaws goes quiet. The pressing of Windows d once or 
twice is required to place focus back on the Desktop.


Is this annoying behaviour normal for Jaws or do I need to change some 
setting somewhere?  If so, which setting and where?



Thanks
Neville.

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Re: End of Life Message

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

That is exactly what it is.  There are no updates, just the message that we 
is history.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 7:37 AM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: End of Life Message

What does this update do for Window-Eyes?  In other words, is it just to
inform us that WE is finished with updates or does it actually make some
type of improvements?  Thanks.  I would like to know the anser to this
question before I allow it to install.

Carol


On 5/26/2017 4:58 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Alison, just check the box and you will no longer see the promp.

On 5/26/2017 4:10 AM, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:
Because I share my pc with my sighted husband, we are continually 
switching
Window-eyes on and off and each time, at the moment, that we switch it 
back

on, we get the End of Life Message.


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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

That's how they do!  It's always been that way so why should they adjust 
what they do?  Their installation rewrites the shortcut even if one 
already exists.  In my opinion this is just lazy on the JFW's team's 
part.  How hard would it be for them to check for an existing shortcut 
and at least keep the existing one?  When you install NVDA there's a 
checkbox where you can decide to keep the existing shortcut or have a 
new one created.  It's not hard for us to reset the hotkey but it's a 
little annoying to have to do it when all other screen readers handle 
this in a much more convenient way.


On 5/26/2017 6:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Re: Thunderbird Question

[Brenda via Talk]

Using Window-Eyes with TB I get unread.  Once it is read it just says 
the message header.  I forget what Jaws does.

Brenda

On 5/26/2017 10:53 AM, Don H via Talk wrote:
It seems that the read and unread notification doesn't work with WE or 
Jaws or Nvda.  Usjually a message will have the indication of a 
attachment.  To get to the attachments go to the menu under messages and 
arrow down to attachments.


On 5/26/2017 8:38 AM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I have 2 Thunderbird questions.
The first one is does Thunderbird indicate email unread,  read, reply, 
and attachment?

Second question is how do you get to attachments in Thunderbird?
Thanks,

Pastor Gil
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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Brenda via Talk]

Yep, every time I do a Jaws update I have to reassign the J in the 
shortcuts menue using Window-eyes.


Not sure why VFO does it this way.  It is a real pain.

brenda

On 5/26/2017 7:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Re: Thunderbird Question

[Don H via Talk]

It seems that the read and unread notification doesn't work with WE or 
Jaws or Nvda.  Usjually a message will have the indication of a 
attachment.  To get to the attachments go to the menu under messages and 
arrow down to attachments.


On 5/26/2017 8:38 AM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I have 2 Thunderbird questions.
The first one is does Thunderbird indicate email unread,  read, reply, and 
attachment?
Second question is how do you get to attachments in Thunderbird?
Thanks,

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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[via Talk]

Hi,

This did hhhappen to me a!lso
On Fri, 26 May 2017 11:44:59 + Rod Hutton via Talk
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> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all 
> set up in the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
> This happened to mine after the recent update.
> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as 
> well.
> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rod
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RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Rod,

Did you use the procedure to update JAWS or did you just run the latest
installation file?  I tend to run the latest installation file because I can
download it once and run it on multiple computers without the need to have
each computer download the update.  When I do that, I loose the hot key
every time.  I am not certain if this happens when I follow the update
prompt or not.  Running the latest installation file seems to have some
ability to look at what was installed because I don't have to authorize the
version again, but I loose the hot key.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in
the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Re: Thunderbird Question

[brice Mijares via Talk]

If using window eyes, yes on first question, and for attachments, alt M 
and arrow down to attachments. So far using Jaws with limited use, it 
will tell you read or unread, but I can't get it to tell me what message 
 Good Luck.number it is. For instance, one of 40.

On 5/26/2017 6:38 AM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

Hi,
I have 2 Thunderbird questions.
The first one is does Thunderbird indicate email unread,  read, reply, and 
attachment?
Second question is how do you get to attachments in Thunderbird?
Thanks,

Pastor Gil
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RE: Is it possible to change the pitch of Eloquence?

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

Actually, you won’t be able to tab to the volume setting for eloquence since it 
is greyed out.


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From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:07 AM
To: Andre; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of Eloquence?

Actually, the volume setting is also in the same screen.  It is the next 
tab after you set the pitch control.  Now, for something nice, though, 
they did include hot keys for changing the speed. Increase and decrease 
for temporary use is alt-page up and alt-page down.  To make permanent 
changes, throw in the windows key to the mix, grin.

Carol



On 5/26/2017 8:25 AM, Andre via Talk wrote:
> Thanks Carol. I was still on default. Had no idea I had to change them
> individually. I definitely like WE'S option that lets you change all voices
> at once. One thing. How do you change the volume? I assumed it would be an
> option in there as well, but it was not.
>
>   
>
> Thanks again,
>
>   
>
>   
>
> From: m...@jfw.groups.io [mailto:m...@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
> Smith via Groups.Io
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:25 AM
> To: m...@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of Eloquence?
>
>   
>
> Re: Eloquence pitch in jaws?
> Yes, this can be done.  My instructions may not be the best, but I think you
> can figure it out since you have already been in the Jaws options and found
> the voice settings.  From within the voices setting, choose voice
> adjustment.
> Press alt-v to get to the combo box where you choose which cursor you want
> to modify.
> you will get to an option where you can down arrow through options for
> default cursor, PC cursor, Jaws cursor, etc.
> You can not have the option set to default.  After choosing the cursor you
> want to set, tab until you find the pitch setting. This is the next tab
> after
> the punctuation setting.
> You change it with the arrow keys.
> Once you have it set, tab to save as and give it a name, something you will
> recognize, like Glen pitch 44  and press enter on OK.
> You will be asked if you want to set this for the default.  Enter on yes or
> OK, I forgot what it is called at this point.
> Now, you will have access to that voice whenever you want to use it.
>
> Carol
>
> On 5/25/2017 8:52 PM, Andre via Talk wrote:
> block quote
> I really don't like the default pitch for the Jaws eloquence. Is it possible
>
> to change this? I know with Window-eyes I could, but for some reason I
> haven't found how to do it in Jaws. I found something that says the pitch
> for uppercase where you can input a percent. I haven't found anything else.
>
>
> Along the same lines are there hot keys to rotor through the screen,
> keyboard, mouse, virtual cursor settings. In Window-Eyes it was
> control-Alt-arrows etc. Still trying to get used to things. I just activated
>
> my copy today.
>
>
> Much thanks,
>
>
> Andre
>
>
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> On 5/25/2017 8:45 PM, Andre wrote:
>
> I really don't like the default pitch for the Jaws eloquence. Is it possible
> to change this? I know with Window-eyes I could, but for some reason I
> haven't found how to do it in Jaws. I found something that says the pitch
> for uppercase where you can input a percent. I haven't found anything else.
>
>   
>
> Along the same lines are there hot keys to rotor through the screen,
> keyboard, mouse, virtual cursor settings. In Window-Eyes it was
> control-Alt-arrows etc. Still trying to get used to things. I just activated
> my copy today.
>
>   
>
> Much thanks,
>
>   
>
> Andre
>
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Thunderbird Question

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

Hi,
I have 2 Thunderbird questions.
The first one is does Thunderbird indicate email unread,  read, reply, and 
attachment?
Second question is how do you get to attachments in Thunderbird?
Thanks,

Pastor Gil
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Re: End of Life Message

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

It's not any development.  The ap was what contained the end of life 
message.  That's why I say they didn't have to do that.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 6:16 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: End of Life Message

Well, there are still people using Window-eyes, so yes,
actually that could help people who may have had a particular problem
that that update might fix.  I'm glad to see a little development going
on even if it

 is in the short term.

On 5/25/2017 5:53 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Yesterday, the window eyes thing came on that tells you there are new aps 
to download.  It surprised me.  After I told it to download, I got that 
message.  So, I guess they sent an ap with that.  They really didn't need 
to do that!  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:14 PM
To: Dennis Long via Talk
Subject: Re: End of Life Message

How are people getting this end of life message to come up?

On 5/25/2017 4:10 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
You would be smart to learn Jaws or brush up on it so when you need it 
isn't

as frustrating just my opinion.

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On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:03 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: End of Life Message

Hi.
remember, no one is saying you have to stop using Window-eyes. If it 
works,
keep right on using it as long as you can!  I also have JAWS once again 
on
this machine but very rarely do I ever use it. it's there if I ever need 
it.

Window-eyes is going to be my primary screenreader until it doesn't work
anymore.




On 5/25/2017 11:48 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Hello List,

I turn Window-eyes on manually.  Yesterday after my computer almost
died due to multiple and random power surges, I got the Window-eyes
End of Life Notification.  Really depressing.  I wish they had just
said window-eyes Discontinuation Notice - it would have been less
ominous.

Fortunately, my husband revived my Window7 machine and Window-eyes
still works.  I need to use Jaws more often so I can learn it, but I
just can't bring myself to do so when Window-Eyes works with programs
like Vipre and Jaws doesn't.  Also, Window-Eyes has a setting which
makes it work in safe mode and Jaws doesn't.

Brenda
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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Don H via Talk]

I had changed the name of the desktop icon to just say Jaws so when I 
did the update a new desktop icon for jaws was created.  The old renamed 
one was still there and still had the hot key in place.  The new icon 
added by the update did not have a hot key assigned.  So I would say 
that the update replaces the existing idesktop icon if it is still named 
the default title.


On 5/26/2017 7:59 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

Yes, I had to reset it.

On 5/26/2017 4:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set 
up in the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?

This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of Eloquence?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Actually, the volume setting is also in the same screen.  It is the next 
tab after you set the pitch control.  Now, for something nice, though, 
they did include hot keys for changing the speed. Increase and decrease 
for temporary use is alt-page up and alt-page down.  To make permanent 
changes, throw in the windows key to the mix, grin.


Carol



On 5/26/2017 8:25 AM, Andre via Talk wrote:

Thanks Carol. I was still on default. Had no idea I had to change them
individually. I definitely like WE'S option that lets you change all voices
at once. One thing. How do you change the volume? I assumed it would be an
option in there as well, but it was not.

  


Thanks again,

  

  


From: m...@jfw.groups.io [mailto:m...@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:25 AM
To: m...@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is it possible to change the pitch of Eloquence?

  


Re: Eloquence pitch in jaws?
Yes, this can be done.  My instructions may not be the best, but I think you
can figure it out since you have already been in the Jaws options and found
the voice settings.  From within the voices setting, choose voice
adjustment.
Press alt-v to get to the combo box where you choose which cursor you want
to modify.
you will get to an option where you can down arrow through options for
default cursor, PC cursor, Jaws cursor, etc.
You can not have the option set to default.  After choosing the cursor you
want to set, tab until you find the pitch setting. This is the next tab
after
the punctuation setting.
You change it with the arrow keys.
Once you have it set, tab to save as and give it a name, something you will
recognize, like Glen pitch 44  and press enter on OK.
You will be asked if you want to set this for the default.  Enter on yes or
OK, I forgot what it is called at this point.
Now, you will have access to that voice whenever you want to use it.

Carol

On 5/25/2017 8:52 PM, Andre via Talk wrote:
block quote
I really don't like the default pitch for the Jaws eloquence. Is it possible

to change this? I know with Window-eyes I could, but for some reason I
haven't found how to do it in Jaws. I found something that says the pitch
for uppercase where you can input a percent. I haven't found anything else.

   
Along the same lines are there hot keys to rotor through the screen,

keyboard, mouse, virtual cursor settings. In Window-Eyes it was
control-Alt-arrows etc. Still trying to get used to things. I just activated

my copy today.

   
Much thanks,


   
Andre


   
   
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On 5/25/2017 8:45 PM, Andre wrote:

I really don't like the default pitch for the Jaws eloquence. Is it possible
to change this? I know with Window-eyes I could, but for some reason I
haven't found how to do it in Jaws. I found something that says the pitch
for uppercase where you can input a percent. I haven't found anything else.

  


Along the same lines are there hot keys to rotor through the screen,
keyboard, mouse, virtual cursor settings. In Window-Eyes it was
control-Alt-arrows etc. Still trying to get used to things. I just activated
my copy today.

  


Much thanks,

  


Andre

  

  


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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[brice Mijares via Talk]

Yes, I had to reset it.

On 5/26/2017 4:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

I have this happen, after every update.  You have to go in and re-sset it each 
time you get the update.



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On Fri, 26 May 2017 11:44:59 +
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> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
> the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
> This happened to mine after the recent update.
> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rod
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RE: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Carol,

Technically, the shortcut was replaced by a new one which doesn't have the hot 
key defined.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: May 26, 2017 8:09 AM
To: michaels mail ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

My shortcut stayed on the PC, it was just the hot key that disappeared.

Carol


On 5/26/2017 7:55 AM, michaels mail via Talk wrote:
> Hi Rod i did not have that happen.
> My WE short cut key is still their.
> You have to create a short cut key for jaws.
> Cheers Michael.
>
> -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:44 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Jaws hot key undefined after update
>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set 
> up in the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
> This happened to mine after the recent update.
> It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
> I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rod
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RE: End of Life Message

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Carol,

Yes, it is simply an update to the Windows Enhance app with no other 
improvement than to tell us about the end of life of our favorite screen reader.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: May 26, 2017 7:38 AM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: End of Life Message

What does this update do for Window-Eyes?  In other words, is it just to inform 
us that WE is finished with updates or does it actually make some type of 
improvements?  Thanks.  I would like to know the anser to this question before 
I allow it to install.

Carol


On 5/26/2017 4:58 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
> Alison, just check the box and you will no longer see the promp.
>
> On 5/26/2017 4:10 AM, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:
>> Because I share my pc with my sighted husband, we are continually 
>> switching Window-eyes on and off and each time, at the moment, that 
>> we switch it back on, we get the End of Life Message.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alison
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[David Pearson via Talk]

MY  JAWS HOT KEE WENT AWAY TOO.

At 06:55 AM 5/26/2017, you wrote:

Hi Rod i did not have that happen.
My WE short cut key is still their.
You have to create a short cut key for jaws.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all 
set up in the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?

This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

Yes, this did happen to me.  I just figured it was my computer that 
forgot it since it has already asked me twice before to confirm that I 
am the administrator.  So, I set it again and it has been fine since.


Take care,

Carol


On 5/26/2017 7:44 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Re: Jaws hot key undefined after update

[michaels mail via Talk]

Hi Rod i did not have that happen.
My WE short cut key is still their.
You have to create a short cut key for jaws.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Jaws hot key undefined after update

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?

This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Jaws hot key undefined after update

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi,

Has anyone had the experience that the hot key we had probably all set up in 
the Jaws desktop shortcut is removed after an update?
This happened to mine after the recent update.
It makes sense, of course, since I guess the icon got updated as well.
I'm just wondering if this happened to anyone else.

Thanks,

Rod
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Re: End of Life Message

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

What does this update do for Window-Eyes?  In other words, is it just to 
inform us that WE is finished with updates or does it actually make some 
type of improvements?  Thanks.  I would like to know the anser to this 
question before I allow it to install.


Carol


On 5/26/2017 4:58 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Alison, just check the box and you will no longer see the promp.

On 5/26/2017 4:10 AM, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:

Because I share my pc with my sighted husband, we are continually switching
Window-eyes on and off and each time, at the moment, that we switch it back
on, we get the End of Life Message.

   


Alison

   

   

   


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Re: where did I get it

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Don:

Looks like you came across the Window-Eyes end-of-life message.  It
comes up after the latest "update" to the WE Diag app.  It will come
up every time you restart Window-Eyes unless you check the box that
says, "don't show again" or something like that.


On 5/26/17, Don Smith via Talk  wrote:
> Morning all:
>
> Ok, I must have had a dream
>
>
>
> I started my computer this morning and up came a great bunch of links with
> podcasts about jaws and we migration.
>
> All kinds of linksand I think it must have been a web page created by jaws
> for us we users.
>
> Was it from an we info file or from jaws, don't know.
>
> In trying to find out what it came from it desapperaed.
>
> Maybe it was an app from I squared square, in any case it would help us we
> users greatley, but, alas, how did I get it and where did it come from
>
>
>
> I know I was not dreaming.
>
> Don
>
>
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RE: Addition to earlier message about using WE with Windows 10 Mail

[Ramona Mandy via Talk]

Hi Joseph,

You're brilliant. That worked! I just press CTRL+Home, and then I can read the 
message that was not reading on opening it. I can either do read all with 
CTRL+SHIFT+R or just arrow line by line down.

I thought I had accidentally discovered this myself when first encountering the 
problem and looking for a work around. But it was sometimes working and 
sometimes not. However, I have just tested it again and it worked as you said.

Thanks so much as it now shows the Mail program can be used with WE. Sometimes 
people say something is not accessible with a certain screen reader when it 
actually is.

Hope Sandra sees this message too.

Ramona


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ramona.mandy=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Friday, 26 May 2017 7:42 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Addition to earlier message about using WE with Windows 10 Mail

Well, it looks like, when I open the next message that won’t read, I don’t have 
to press ctrl+end.  I can just press ctrl+home, WE says “Top” then, the message 
will read.



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where did I get it

[Don Smith via Talk]

Morning all:

Ok, I must have had a dream

 

I started my computer this morning and up came a great bunch of links with
podcasts about jaws and we migration.

All kinds of linksand I think it must have been a web page created by jaws
for us we users.

Was it from an we info file or from jaws, don't know.

In trying to find out what it came from it desapperaed.

Maybe it was an app from I squared square, in any case it would help us we
users greatley, but, alas, how did I get it and where did it come from

 

I know I was not dreaming.

Don

 

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Addition to earlier message about using WE with Windows 10 Mail

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Well, it looks like, when I open the next message that won’t read, I don’t have 
to press ctrl+end.  I can just press ctrl+home, WE says “Top” then, the message 
will read.



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RE: End of Life Message

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

I figure they’re trying to hit all WE users, just in case they couldn’t contact 
some by Email.

I, too, was surprised by an update message, but, then saw why that update was 
sent.  This, made me a little sad when I read the message.  Probably was Doug 
or someone else at VFO, who came from GW, originally, who wrote that update.  
It would feel like putting another nail in the coffin, for me.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:54 PM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: End of Life Message

Yesterday, the window eyes thing came on that tells you there are new aps to 
download.  It surprised me.  After I told it to download, I got that 
message.  So, I guess they sent an ap with that.  They really didn't need to 
do that!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:14 PM
To: Dennis Long via Talk
Subject: Re: End of Life Message

How are people getting this end of life message to come up?

On 5/25/2017 4:10 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> You would be smart to learn Jaws or brush up on it so when you need it 
> isn't
> as frustrating just my opinion.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:03 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: End of Life Message
>
> Hi.
> remember, no one is saying you have to stop using Window-eyes.  If it 
> works,
> keep right on using it as long as you can!  I also have JAWS once again on
> this machine but very rarely do I ever use it. it's there if I ever need 
> it.
> Window-eyes is going to be my primary screenreader until it doesn't work
> anymore.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/25/2017 11:48 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:
>> Hello List,
>>
>> I turn Window-eyes on manually.  Yesterday after my computer almost
>> died due to multiple and random power surges, I got the Window-eyes
>> End of Life Notification.  Really depressing.  I wish they had just
>> said window-eyes Discontinuation Notice - it would have been less
>> ominous.
>>
>> Fortunately, my husband revived my Window7 machine and Window-eyes
>> still works.  I need to use Jaws more often so I can learn it, but I
>> just can't bring myself to do so when Window-Eyes works with programs
>> like Vipre and Jaws doesn't.  Also, Window-Eyes has a setting which
>> makes it work in safe mode and Jaws doesn't.
>>
>> Brenda
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RE: WE with Win 10 Mail

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Ramona:

I did find a work-around, of sorts.  Please try this for me since I’d like to 
know if it works for someone else besides me.

What I found is pretty much the same as you already observe.  However, here’s 
what I did.

When opening the first message, as you noticed, it worked.  When opening the 
next message, it didn’t seem to read anything.  For some reason, if I press 
ctrl+end, then ctrl+home, it then read fine.

Again, please try this and let us know if it works.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ramona Mandy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:59 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WE with Win 10 Mail

Hi,

My Name is Ramona mandy. I am new to this list and this is my first post. So 
please excuse me if this topic has already been discussed.

Does anyone have any experience with using WE with the Windows 10 Mail app and 
can advise on accessibility or otherwise?

I am running WE 9.5.4. 

I find that when I first launch Mail and Enter on the first message I select, 
WE will read it fine and I can navigate and hear the text by moving up or down 
arrow.

However, if I then close that message with escape or delete it with CTRL+D, 
then open another message, if I arrow up or down, it just says blank. WE also 
does not read it at all when I open it.

In this case, if I turn off browse mode and tab, I sometimes find a link to 
download message and pictures which is odd because I thought the message would 
already be downloaded. I enter on this and then sometimes I can launch browse 
mode and read the message, but once again, not always.

Sometimes, if the message is presenting as blank, I can turn off browse mode 
and will find a link by tabbing to read the message in a web browser which then 
works, but I don't want to have to always read my messages by opening them in 
IE.

I find the rest of the program is reasonably accessible such as tabbing to 
buttons. It is this reading problem that I am interested to hear how others 
have found it. 

Thanks
Ramona


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Re: End of Life Message

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Alison, just check the box and you will no longer see the promp.

On 5/26/2017 4:10 AM, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:
> Because I share my pc with my sighted husband, we are continually switching
> Window-eyes on and off and each time, at the moment, that we switch it back
> on, we get the End of Life Message.
> 
>   
> 
> Alison
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> 
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RE: WE with Win 10 Mail

[Ramona Mandy via Talk]

Thanks Sandra,

In fact that was very helpful because it confirms to me that I am not doing
something wrong. 

It is a strange glitch.

I am going to see if the MS Accessibility folk have any advice.

I do use an Outlook account for two of my other email accounts and I might
end up using it for my one that I hoped to use Mail for too.

Thanks
Ramona


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+ramona.mandy=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Whizza via Talk
Sent: Friday, 26 May 2017 1:24 AM
To: 'Ian Westerland' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' 
Subject: RE: WE with Win 10 Mail

Hi Ramona,
I ran into the same problem you did.  The first message read without a hitch
but that was it.  I couldn't get WE to read the next or subsequent messages.
The rest of the program is, as you say, pretty accessible but it's no good
if you can't read messages.  I gave it up as a bad job in the end and went
to Outlook 2016.
Sorry not to be more helpful.

Cheers,
Sandra.

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RE: WE with Win 10 Mail

[Ramona Mandy via Talk]

Hi Ian,

My account in Mail was set up for me by a sighted person. So I do not know
if I would have had access issues doing that or not. However, someone on the
ATUG list who is VI was able to set it up with WE and so I think maybe it
can be done with WE.

I am further down the track than that in that I can do most things, just not
read subsequent to the first message in any session.

There is another on this list with the same issue and so it seems that that
is the breaker to what looked like an accessible program.

I am going to call the MS access helpdesk to see if they can shed any light.

Ta
Ramona


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+ramona.mandy=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Ian Westerland via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 25 May 2017 11:51 PM
To: Ramona Mandy via Talk 
Subject: Re: WE with Win 10 Mail


Hi Ramona.  I tried the program but couldn't get passed the "Add Account"
button.  From there on, nothing spoke using curser keys, or the numeric key
pad so unless there's a trick I don't know, it doesn't seem to work.

I have the latest version of WE.

My priority email program is ThunderBird and that does what I want.

Sorry for the bad news.

Regards


Ian Westerland


On 5/25/2017 8:59 AM, Ramona Mandy via Talk wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My Name is Ramona mandy. I am new to this list and this is my first post.
So please excuse me if this topic has already been discussed.
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with using WE with the Windows 10 Mail app
and can advise on accessibility or otherwise?
> 
> I am running WE 9.5.4.
> 
> I find that when I first launch Mail and Enter on the first message I
select, WE will read it fine and I can navigate and hear the text by moving
up or down arrow.
> 
> However, if I then close that message with escape or delete it with
CTRL+D, then open another message, if I arrow up or down, it just says
blank. WE also does not read it at all when I open it.
> 
> In this case, if I turn off browse mode and tab, I sometimes find a link
to download message and pictures which is odd because I thought the message
would already be downloaded. I enter on this and then sometimes I can launch
browse mode and read the message, but once again, not always.
> 
> Sometimes, if the message is presenting as blank, I can turn off browse
mode and will find a link by tabbing to read the message in a web browser
which then works, but I don't want to have to always read my messages by
opening them in IE.
> 
> I find the rest of the program is reasonably accessible such as tabbing to
buttons. It is this reading problem that I am interested to hear how others
have found it.
> 
> Thanks
> Ramona
> 
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RE: End of Life Message

[CJ MAY via Talk]

Because I share my pc with my sighted husband, we are continually switching
Window-eyes on and off and each time, at the moment, that we switch it back
on, we get the End of Life Message.

 

Alison

 

 

 

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Re: Jaws and desktop

[Neville via Talk]

Net Bat, I am using W10 Home with all updates.

Alt tab does nothing as regards bringing back the speech when returning 
to the Desktop. Maybe I have been spoiled by years of WE because it 
always automatically gave focus to the Desktop after leaving a programme.


Neville.


On 26/05/2017 3:37 PM, net bat wrote:

which version of windows?
for windows 7 you can use alt tab to switch from the jaws screen to the 
desktop

or find the jaws option to run it from the system tray.
another option in jaws settings is to turn on focus. this will tell you 
when jaws has lost focus in your programs.
for me it says lost focus every time i close wlm and i have to alt tab 
to bring focus back to the desktop. or mouse click the desktop.



-Original Message- From: Neville via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:03 PM
To: Window Eyes
Subject: Jaws and desktop

Hi,
Just authorized the latest copy of Jaws and very much a learner.

When exiting a programme, say Thundrbird, or exiting a drive for the
Desktop, ,after pressing alt F4 Jaws goes quiet. The pressing of Windows
d once or twice is required to place focus back on the Desktop.

Is this annoying behaviour normal for Jaws or do I need to change some
setting somewhere?  If so, which setting and where?


Thanks
Neville.

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