Re: Installing Win10

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

My suggestion would be to check with the people at the Microsoft 
accessibility desk.  The reason I suggest this is that my Windows 7 
computer was not compatible with the upgrade.  It was a Depp PC and both 
Microsoft and Dell said not to upgrade as all that would happen would be 
that my PC would be in a permanent loop.  It might be worth talking with 
Microsoft for help.  Their number is (800) 936-5900.


Carol


On 6/20/2019 2:07 PM, David via Talk wrote:

To the tech guys on this list,

In about 6 months Microsoft will end the support for Win7. My Good old
working-horse of a computer might then be retired to make it for a
backup system.


I do have a computer stored away in a closet, which has a broken version
of Win8.1 on it. That is, it does not start up, only presents some kind
of an error screen, informing me the Windows is not a valid version. Was
a computer I bought second-handed, and apparently the seller was no
honest guy. Now, I wonder if I might go for a full version of Win10, and
simply wipe out the old hard drive on that computer, and do a totally
clean install of Win10.


I would be buying the Win10, through the Microsoft store, and hence get
a downloadable of the operative system.


Never been using Win10, and only have paid half an ear to any discussion
on the matter. But I seem to remember something about it being possible
for a blind to install the OS all without eyes. Is that correct, and
does it even apply when I will be doing a clean - all from scratch -
installation?


Could of course go and buy a brand new computer, but they tend to be
loaded with all kinds of bloatware, over here. And the store I saw the
other day, offering to install a clean win10 on their new systems, asked
a price for the windows, about 20% more than what I see it advertised in
Microsoft Store. Would then be a better business to get the broken win8
machine of mine going.


Thanks for all input you can give me on the matter. I will not be doing
my choice all at this time, but will be nice to know what to do, once
the right time or offer comes up.



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virtual viewer question

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Group,

I am not certain I am using the correct name for the app, but it is the 
one where one presses ctrl-alt-v to enable.  My brother is the 
administrator for his pc.  His wife also has her own desktop and login.  
On her side, pressing ctrl-alt-v opens the little app that allows one to 
read the screen.  It works properly.  On my brother's side, when he 
presses the keystrokes, he gets absolutely nothing.  Can anyone give me 
suggestions for him to try?  Thanks. His did work, but does not work today.


Carol

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Fwd: Android TV box

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Group,

My brother has an issue that is not WE related.  It is, however, 
somewhat screen reader related.  I am sending a copy of an email that he 
sent  me requesting I see if I can help him get ansswers for.  He has a 
device called Argosy.  It allows him to put his recorded programs on 
external hard drives and take them with him when he is not at home.  It 
requires quite a lot of memorizing on his part to find specific 
programs.  Youu know, kind of like trying to find a specific file on 
your hard drive with no speech. Supposedly, there is something available 
that might talk to him, but sighted people, as is often the case, do not 
know how to check out anything that might require speech.  You know, it 
isn't in their field of training.  I am forwarding this message to see 
if anyone has any knowledge about what he is looking for or if anyone 
has a geeky tech friend that could advise him.  Thanks.


Carol


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Android TV box
Date:   Sat, 18 May 2019 00:05:01 -0400
From:   W. Craig Easter 
To: Carol and Roger 



I have been trying to figure out the best way to handle what I am
looking for.  My requirements are:
Must be able to handle USB drives larger than 2Tb.
Must be able to play DVD folders (VIDEO_TS) folders and bring up menus
from there.
Must have a remote with big enough buttons for fat fingers.
must have A/V   out ((red, white and yellow) RCA outputs HDMI soley is
no good.
Must be able to turn on "accessability".

I am currently using an Argosy HV335t that can hold upto a 2TB internal
drive and has 2 USB ports that can handle larger Seagate drives.  I have
been able to use a 3TB, 4TB and a 8TB hub.

If I can get one that will allow recording in .MPG format, and also has
the red, white and yellow RCA inputs, that would make it even better
with the talking software working.  I currently use an Argosy HV359t to
do this but require sighted assistance for timer recording.

There is something called a Himedia Q10 that holds an internal drive 3.5
or 2.5 larger than 2TB  but I cannot verify the outputs and talking ability.

If you could pass this along to some of your tech contacts, I would
appreciate it as I am getting frustrated.  I am my most knowledgeable
tech guy.

Thanks, and Love,

--
W. Craig Easter
Check out our church's website.
http://aplaceofhealing.com/
Bethesda United Methodist Church
Sunday School 9:45 AM Service:  11 AM




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Re: question about foreground staging

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Yes, Window-Eyes is the only one that is reading it, but neither of the 
others will read anything if the foreground staging screen is open.


Carol


On 4/3/2019 9:12 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
The interesting thing about foreground staging, I haven't got that 
message since I stopped using window eyes.


-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 3:27 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about foreground staging

Yeah, right, grimmace!  At least it hasn't happend today, yet, grin.  I
appreciate your taking the time to see what you could figure out.

Take care,

Carol


On 4/2/2019 7:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. 
It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh 
the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy 
anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. 
Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a 
restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. 
The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows 
open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and 
more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them.  
Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to 
worry about it again, grin.  Well, maybe not for a month or so.  
Thanks for trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As 
I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after 
ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But 
I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know 
what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the 
system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in 
the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is 
because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes 
open and is then minimized to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the 
Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the 
foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I 
can write a script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk 
again today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive 
and inside the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the 
foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was 
nothing showing on the screen.  There are a couple of interesting 
items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it 
would not say anything.  I could navigate through the track I was 
playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was.  
The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. 
Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where 
I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that 
said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems 
to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue.  
Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a 
while if I restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real 
problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get 
it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's 
gone and doesn't come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste 
what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it 
might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just 
Windows+D and it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything 
is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with 
MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just 
shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the 
proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still 
a window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you 
do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I 
wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files 
I wanted to move. T

Re: question about foreground staging

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Yeah, right, grimmace!  At least it hasn't happend today, yet, grin.  I 
appreciate your taking the time to see what you could figure out.


Take care,

Carol


On 4/2/2019 7:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. 
It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh 
the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy 
anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. 
Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a 
restart.  Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. 
The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows 
open at a time.  Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and 
more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them.  Anyway, 
I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about 
it again, grin.  Well, maybe not for a month or so.  Thanks for 
trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I 
said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after 
ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I 
can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what 
"enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the 
system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in 
the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because 
when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and 
is then minimized to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the 
Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the 
foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I 
can write a script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk 
again today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive 
and inside the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the 
foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was 
nothing showing on the screen.  There are a couple of interesting 
items here to report.  The screen was my Winamp screen, although it 
would not say anything.  I could navigate through the track I was 
playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was.  
The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. 
Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I 
landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said 
"enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be 
in the same time period as the foreground staging issue.  Today, at 
least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I 
restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real 
problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get 
it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's 
gone and doesn't come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste 
what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it 
might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just 
Windows+D and it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything 
is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with 
MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just 
shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the 
proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a 
window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do 
things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I 
wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files 
I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already 
open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title 
bar read command would say "foreground staging."  Windows-d would 
open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open 
would not speak.  A reboot did solve the problem for now. I 
canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person there did not 
know what I was talking about.  He did, although, quote help me 
out by changing the way my files are now listed.  You know ho

Re: question about foreground staging

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and 
then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move.  
The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE would read 
absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would say 
"foreground staging."  Windows-d would open the desktop back up, but the 
folders I already had open would not speak.  A reboot did solve the 
problem for now.  I canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person 
there did not know what I was talking about.  He did, although, quote 
help me out by changing the way my files are now listed.  You know how 
the item number is normally spoken at the end of a file name in a list, 
he fixed it so the number would be read first.  Also, I have always kept 
my files listed in detail view.  Now, there are three columns and if I 
want to read down through a list, I have to use the right arrow and 
there are no longer details for the files.  Oh well, I guess one gets 
what they pay for, grin.


Carol


On 3/29/2019 11:25 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
Going to the desktop is how I take care of the foreground staging 
screen too. And I usually don't see it again. Although it does pop up 
once in a while. And it certainly hasn't caused any problems. I only 
see it when I'm on the desktop anyway, after boot, waking, or having 
had gone to the desktop before transferring files to a thumb drive.
All I can think of is to use Windows+D instead of Windows+M if that's 
what you use. It's all I do.

Hth,
Tom


On 3/29/2019 9:32 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Does anyone know how to get rid of the foreground staging screen in 
Windows 10?  It basically locks up my system in the manner that I can 
not read anything else except the title bar unless I go to the 
desktop. I can then open a folder, but if I do anything in that 
folder, the blank foreground staging screen comes up again. Thanks 
for any help.


Carol


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Re: Here's an app for the Chrome browser.

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

How does one go about converting links to Bitly or Tinyurl links? Thanks.

Carol


On 3/29/2019 9:14 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for troubling to create this app.
Unfortunately, my Outlook mail screen has blocked your URL.
I'm wondering if you could convert it to a bitly or tinyurl to shorten it so 
that I can get access.
I appreciate it.
Also, here's the subscription page for Dennis Long's alternative email list:
http://bit.ly/2Uba9iw

All the best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: March 29, 2019 11:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: Here's an app for the Chrome browser.

First, make sure you have the factory settings for Chrome installed. You can 
see if they're installed and install them if not by opening the Window-Eyes 
control panel, Alt+F File, F factory Settings.
Then when you install the app it will tell you that chrome.set is being 
replaced. This is needed to make the app work properly.

Here's what the app does.
1. Speaks alert messages, such as download progress and completion.
When a file is downloaded the message from Chrome is to press Shift+F6 to go to 
the download bar.
2. I added Alt+N because it's quicker and the key combination used in Internet 
Explorer to go to the notification bar for the same purpose.
All it's doing is inserting Shift+F6. And it's not tied to the notification. So 
if you happen to press it without a file downloaded it will just put you up in 
the address bar. F6 will put you back in the main window.
3. Suggestions entered in the address bar as you type will be spoken.
For example, if you type yo, YouTube.com will probably be voiced. These are 
just pulled out of your history. When you hear the right address just press 
enter.
Unfortunately because you come in on the address bar when Chrome opens, and it 
doubles as a Google search field, you'll hear everything you type repeated as 
you type it if there are no suggestions. Obviously there's no way I can tell 
what you're typing or if it's in your history.
Also, the suggestions might not be heard when you first open Chrome. The reason 
I replaced the set file is so that I could set keyboard interrupt to program 
scope. Then I set it to control and alt only when you're in the address bar and 
back to whatever you had it set to when you're not in the address bar. The 
problem is I have to monitor for the chrome.set file to be loaded before 
grabbing it. And the stars might not line up in time if you open chrome and 
start typing immediately. Although you'll probably hear a little snippet of the 
suggestion. Then you can use the read line hot key to see what's there.

And finally, I didn't put error reporting in the app because it uses the 
GW-Micro App Central server. So if you have any problems you can email me at 
tom.kings...@charter.net You can also open the Window-Eyes control panel, Alt+A 
Apps, App management, App manager, select the app, press Alt+H to open Help and 
Options, then press the About button. There's a Contact author button in there. 
And of course you can post any problems here.
Hope this is helpful.

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question about foreground staging

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Does anyone know how to get rid of the foreground staging screen in 
Windows 10?  It basically locks up my system in the manner that I can 
not read anything else except the title bar unless I go to the desktop.  
I can then open a folder, but if I do anything in that folder, the blank 
foreground staging screen comes up again. Thanks for any help.


Carol


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Re: repeat filter

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi,

Repeat filter is under screen settings, repeat filter.  I am using 
advanced settings, so you might need to temporarily change that setting 
to see what I am talking about.  To do this, press alt h and then the 
letter v to turn on advanced settings.  Once you find the setting you 
want and save your new setting change, turn off advanced settings again 
with the same keystrokes, alt h and then v.


Carol



On 1/28/2019 2:25 PM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello


Didn't there used to be a repeat filter setting or am I thinking back 
to Vocaleyes?



Mike.


P.s. I should have said that is the Amazon search results that are 
also being repeated.


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fixed link for WE apps file

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi,

Here is a link to the last file I created with all of the latest apps, 
as far as I know.  I changed the zero to a one so it should download 
easier.


www.dropbox.com/s/9vj11fovzaiwjlk/weAppsfinal.zip?dl=1

Carol


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Re: Request file containing all W E scripts

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

My Pleasure.

Carol


On 10/5/2018 10:33 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
Thank you so much, Carol and or Roger. I certainly appreciate this 
very much.


Don Roberts

- Original Message - From: "Carol and Roger via Talk" 


To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Carol and Roger" 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: Request file containing all W E scripts



Hi,

Here is a link to the last file I created with all of the latest 
apps. According to my Dropbox information, the fille should be 
completed around 9:00 eastern time Friday evening.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vj11fovzaiwjlk/weAppsfinal.zip?dl=0

Carol



On 10/5/2018 5:40 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:
Please point me to wherever I can download all of the Window-eyes 
9.5.4 scripts.


Thanks.

Don Roberts
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Re: Request file containing all W E scripts

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi,

Here is a link to the last file I created with all of the latest apps.  
According to my Dropbox information, the fille should be completed 
around 9:00 eastern time Friday evening.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vj11fovzaiwjlk/weAppsfinal.zip?dl=0

Carol



On 10/5/2018 5:40 PM, Donald Roberts via Talk wrote:

Please point me to wherever I can download all of the Window-eyes 9.5.4 scripts.

Thanks.

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Re: speaking of notifications...

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

That was so very thoughtful of you.  I did just find it whemn I rebo
oted this morning.  It was under notifications, but it was hidden.  I  
will download the new version, though, as I do like to have a backup 
available, just in case.


Take care,

Carol

 On 9/18/2018 5:51 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Assuming I have the correct application, here's the web page for the current 
version:

https://www.opendrive.com/opendrive-for-windows

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 17, 2018 10:40 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: speaking of notifications...

Hi Rod,

No, there is no update on the system tray icon.  There is log in and log
out, along with things like sync, but no update.

Carol


On 9/17/2018 9:28 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

That's okay.
You mean it doesn't have a system tray icon whose right-click menu might have 
an update option?
I only ask since my online backup service, Mozy, works like this.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 17, 2018 7:40 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: speaking of notifications...

Hi Rod,

I should have been more specific.  The program I am using is called open
drive.  It is like another drive on my system.  There is nothing like
the help menu where one would find things like update.  Maybe I should
check with the distributor.  Thanks anyway for your ideas.

Carol


On 9/17/2018 6:46 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I don't wish to flog a dead horse, but it shouldn't be necessary to go to the 
website for software running on your machine since there is always a built-in 
mechanism for manually and/or automatically checking for updates.
As for Windows itself, typing the word check into the search box should yield 
the result check for updates, and pressing Enter on this result opens a control 
panel dialog displaying the current update status, along with options for 
uninstalling updates.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 17, 2018 5:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: speaking of notifications...

Hi Rod,

I found another notification for the update I needed today.  I pressed
enter on the one that said click here to install or update, I am not
sure now, exactly what it said, and it took way the total indicator that
there was an update at all.  It will also remove the update notification
if I route the mouse to the click here text.  I guess I will just need
to go to the web site and pick up the latest update.  Thanks for trying
to help.

Take care,

Carol



On 9/17/2018 9:51 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

As for iTunes or iCloud updates, we know that a dialog opens which is easily 
focused because it is in the Alt-Tab rotor.
The other day, I got a notification for an update to Acrobat Reader DC, that 
is, a notification spoken aloud like you're describing, and, as I recall, I 
couldn't proceed with the update until I explored the icons in the notification 
area, at which point I found one labelled with the Adobe name.
When I pressed enter on it, a dialog popped up, offering me the opportunity to 
update to the current version.
There you go. Smile.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 16, 2018 11:10 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: speaking of notifications...

I will occasionally get a message telling me there is an new update for
something and it says to click here to install.  I can not get this to
work.  Instead of installing the new update, it simply removes the
notification.  I have tried routing the cursor, routing the mouse and
nothing helps.  Does anyone have an answer? Thanks.

Carol


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Re: speaking of notifications...

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

No, there is no update on the system tray icon.  There is log in and log 
out, along with things like sync, but no update.


Carol


On 9/17/2018 9:28 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

That's okay.
You mean it doesn't have a system tray icon whose right-click menu might have 
an update option?
I only ask since my online backup service, Mozy, works like this.

Hth,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 17, 2018 7:40 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: speaking of notifications...

Hi Rod,

I should have been more specific.  The program I am using is called open
drive.  It is like another drive on my system.  There is nothing like
the help menu where one would find things like update.  Maybe I should
check with the distributor.  Thanks anyway for your ideas.

Carol


On 9/17/2018 6:46 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I don't wish to flog a dead horse, but it shouldn't be necessary to go to the 
website for software running on your machine since there is always a built-in 
mechanism for manually and/or automatically checking for updates.
As for Windows itself, typing the word check into the search box should yield 
the result check for updates, and pressing Enter on this result opens a control 
panel dialog displaying the current update status, along with options for 
uninstalling updates.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 17, 2018 5:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: speaking of notifications...

Hi Rod,

I found another notification for the update I needed today.  I pressed
enter on the one that said click here to install or update, I am not
sure now, exactly what it said, and it took way the total indicator that
there was an update at all.  It will also remove the update notification
if I route the mouse to the click here text.  I guess I will just need
to go to the web site and pick up the latest update.  Thanks for trying
to help.

Take care,

Carol



On 9/17/2018 9:51 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

As for iTunes or iCloud updates, we know that a dialog opens which is easily 
focused because it is in the Alt-Tab rotor.
The other day, I got a notification for an update to Acrobat Reader DC, that 
is, a notification spoken aloud like you're describing, and, as I recall, I 
couldn't proceed with the update until I explored the icons in the notification 
area, at which point I found one labelled with the Adobe name.
When I pressed enter on it, a dialog popped up, offering me the opportunity to 
update to the current version.
There you go. Smile.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 16, 2018 11:10 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: speaking of notifications...

I will occasionally get a message telling me there is an new update for
something and it says to click here to install.  I can not get this to
work.  Instead of installing the new update, it simply removes the
notification.  I have tried routing the cursor, routing the mouse and
nothing helps.  Does anyone have an answer? Thanks.

Carol


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Re: speaking of notifications...

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

I should have been more specific.  The program I am using is called open 
drive.  It is like another drive on my system.  There is nothing like 
the help menu where one would find things like update.  Maybe I should 
check with the distributor.  Thanks anyway for your ideas.


Carol


On 9/17/2018 6:46 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I don't wish to flog a dead horse, but it shouldn't be necessary to go to the 
website for software running on your machine since there is always a built-in 
mechanism for manually and/or automatically checking for updates.
As for Windows itself, typing the word check into the search box should yield 
the result check for updates, and pressing Enter on this result opens a control 
panel dialog displaying the current update status, along with options for 
uninstalling updates.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 17, 2018 5:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: speaking of notifications...

Hi Rod,

I found another notification for the update I needed today.  I pressed
enter on the one that said click here to install or update, I am not
sure now, exactly what it said, and it took way the total indicator that
there was an update at all.  It will also remove the update notification
if I route the mouse to the click here text.  I guess I will just need
to go to the web site and pick up the latest update.  Thanks for trying
to help.

Take care,

Carol



On 9/17/2018 9:51 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

As for iTunes or iCloud updates, we know that a dialog opens which is easily 
focused because it is in the Alt-Tab rotor.
The other day, I got a notification for an update to Acrobat Reader DC, that 
is, a notification spoken aloud like you're describing, and, as I recall, I 
couldn't proceed with the update until I explored the icons in the notification 
area, at which point I found one labelled with the Adobe name.
When I pressed enter on it, a dialog popped up, offering me the opportunity to 
update to the current version.
There you go. Smile.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 16, 2018 11:10 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: speaking of notifications...

I will occasionally get a message telling me there is an new update for
something and it says to click here to install.  I can not get this to
work.  Instead of installing the new update, it simply removes the
notification.  I have tried routing the cursor, routing the mouse and
nothing helps.  Does anyone have an answer? Thanks.

Carol


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Re: speaking of notifications...

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

I found another notification for the update I needed today.  I pressed 
enter on the one that said click here to install or update, I am not 
sure now, exactly what it said, and it took way the total indicator that 
there was an update at all.  It will also remove the update notification 
if I route the mouse to the click here text.  I guess I will just need 
to go to the web site and pick up the latest update.  Thanks for trying 
to help.


Take care,

Carol



On 9/17/2018 9:51 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

As for iTunes or iCloud updates, we know that a dialog opens which is easily 
focused because it is in the Alt-Tab rotor.
The other day, I got a notification for an update to Acrobat Reader DC, that 
is, a notification spoken aloud like you're describing, and, as I recall, I 
couldn't proceed with the update until I explored the icons in the notification 
area, at which point I found one labelled with the Adobe name.
When I pressed enter on it, a dialog popped up, offering me the opportunity to 
update to the current version.
There you go. Smile.

Take care,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: September 16, 2018 11:10 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: speaking of notifications...

I will occasionally get a message telling me there is an new update for
something and it says to click here to install.  I can not get this to
work.  Instead of installing the new update, it simply removes the
notification.  I have tried routing the cursor, routing the mouse and
nothing helps.  Does anyone have an answer? Thanks.

Carol


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speaking of notifications...

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

I will occasionally get a message telling me there is an new update for 
something and it says to click here to install.  I can not get this to 
work.  Instead of installing the new update, it simply removes the 
notification.  I have tried routing the cursor, routing the mouse and 
nothing helps.  Does anyone have an answer? Thanks.


Carol


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Re: Weather or Not

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

Here is the file from my final apps folder.  Carol

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xh1h2albrcwaley/weatherornot4.0.0.wepm?dl=0



On 6/29/2018 9:14 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

The date of this version is 2012, but I don't really know what improvements 
were made since then.
I'm asking for it for someone else, but, even if you can't find something 
newer, who knows, it may do quite well.

Thanks so much,

Rod

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Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: June 29, 2018 8:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Carol and Roger 
Subject: Re: Weather or Not

Hi Rod,

Here is one version.  Let me know if it is not the latest and I will see
if I have more on another drive.  Carol

https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fmy9mho0ficpb92m%2Fweatherornot3.7.1.wepm%3Fdl%3D0=02%7C01%7C%7C8cbb077f5f284262d93008d5ddb9d547%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636658712565214984=%2FR3XkXt9AEIll9ib90UKtmMNW7mddfJWwxU%2BIrqR%2Bfk%3D=0
On 6/29/2018 7:49 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Would anyone happen to have the Weather or Not app package and, if so, could 
you dsend a link to it for me?
App Central seems to be down, probably forever.

Many thanks,

Rod

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Re: Weather or Not

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

Here is one version.  Let me know if it is not the latest and I will see 
if I have more on another drive.  Carol


https://www.dropbox.com/s/my9mho0ficpb92m/weatherornot3.7.1.wepm?dl=0
On 6/29/2018 7:49 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi,

Would anyone happen to have the Weather or Not app package and, if so, could 
you dsend a link to it for me?
App Central seems to be down, probably forever.

Many thanks,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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Re: Word 2016 questions

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks for your reply, tom.  As you see, I am behind in my email again, 
grin.


Carol


On 5/19/2018 5:07 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
Yes, Thunderbird is a strange beast. They made some changes years ago 
that screen readers had to work around in order to get into the 
windows. So nothing really works conventionally there. That was when 
we lost the mouse in TB as well.
Actually there's no difference in how the Window-Eyes attribute hot 
key works from computer to computer. It's dependent on what's selected 
under verbosity. I had most turned off for some reason. And now that 
I've turned them back on it's a one shot deal. So this was a win win 
situation. Smile.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/19/2018 12:00 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

This is very helpful.  I could do this with my Win7 pc, but forgot 
how it worked and needed it for win10.  It is good to know that the 
auto setting default is black.  As I have a black laser printer, I 
guess everything I print will be some shade of black, but this still 
would cause an issue for a file I would send to someone else.  Thanks.


As an aside, I am using Thunderbird and have turned on attributes.  
At the beginning of each new line, a number is spoken (most likely 
the ASCII representation for that character) and then the color.  The 
funny thing is that almost every line has a different color, black on 
black, medium blue on blac, midnight blue on black, black on black, 
blue on black, etc.  I find this to be interesting.  Also, the 
speaking of attributes is only available in certain places.  For 
example, I can check attributes in edit boxes and documents, but can 
not check them in Thunderbird edit boxes.  Also, when I press 
control-delete and it works, it reads the number representation, the 
font size and foreground and background color.  When pressing it 
twice, it reads the same information and adds the color digital 
values for both foreground and background. This is interesting how 
things work from one machine to another, grin. Thanks for your help.


Carol


On 5/19/2018 1:10 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

The automatic font color is black unless (I assume) you choose a 
theme with a different default color. You can check the text the 
caret is on by pressing Control+Nulmpad delete twice. Pressing it 
once only speaks the unicode value, twice speaks that along with the 
font name, size, and color.


You can manually set the default font to black. but it's a nightmare 
and seems to have a mind of its own. I tried using Window-eyes, 
NVDA, and Narrator. I only got the change to stick once out of 
countless tries. I often got a completely different color than I 
thought I selected. And when I selected black I got a slightly 
lighter black, of which there are several to choose from. So I gave up.
But if you want to fight with it, or you have a pair of eyes handy, 
press Alt+H, F, N, to open the font dialog. If you can select the 
color, then press the set as default button, select the apply to all 
rather than current document radio button, and OK.
This will make it the default for all new documents. But it won't 
change existing documents you open.


As for attributes? Press Windows+A to toggle attribute changes on 
and off. You should hear that spoken.
To set what you hear about with it on go into verbosity, common, 
attribute changes. You can select what you hear and also make them 
global or program specific.
Note, the Windows+A hot key is specific to the Word set file. So 
it's not global.


Sorry, but I have no idea on the mailings and labels problem.

Hth,
Tom


On 5/18/2018 1:57 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I have Word 2016 on my Win10 pc.  I am using WE and would like the 
answer to a couple of questions.


First, under fonts, the color selection there says auto.  I would 
like to make certain that my work is always done with a white 
background and black characters.  Of course, I understand the 
background color would be the same as the paper it is being printed 
on.


Second, how can I get WE to speak color changes or other attribute 
changes in the event there are other colors used in imported 
documents?


My last question for now is can I get WE to speak what is in the 
send to address edit box when working with mailings or particularly 
labels? Even though I put an address in the edit box, WE says it is 
blank or says nothing.  Right now, in order to enter an address, I 
must put it in my current document and copy it to the clipboard, 
open the mailings, labels option and focus the address box, press 
ctrl-a to clear anything in the box and press ctrl-paste to put the 
information in from the clipboard.  If I do not do it this way, 
sometimes, the label comes out blank and at other times, there is 
only one line of the address that gets printed.


Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: Word 2016 questions

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

I checked out your suggestion.  I don't know what I expected to hear, 
but when WE said that I was not on a clip, I tried it again and was 
surprised to hear that there was a white mouse on my computer, grin.  
Thanks for this.  I did figure out that I forgot to route the mouse.


Carol


On 5/19/2018 3:54 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Another hot key, comparable to that suggested by Tom, is 
Ctrl-Insert-NumpadDelete, which does the same thing as Tom's, except that it 
works for the colour of the pixel under the mouse pointer.
As such, it might help in situations where there is a graphical unit of focus, 
and so you could always just route the mouse pointer to the current focus using 
Insert-NumpadPlus, and then use the key I have recommended.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 12:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Word 2016 questions

Hi Tom,

This is very helpful.  I could do this with my Win7 pc, but forgot how
it worked and needed it for win10.  It is good to know that the auto
setting default is black.  As I have a black laser printer, I guess
everything I print will be some shade of black, but this still would
cause an issue for a file I would send to someone else.  Thanks.

As an aside, I am using Thunderbird and have turned on attributes.  At
the beginning of each new line, a number is spoken (most likely the
ASCII representation for that character) and then the color.  The funny
thing is that almost every line has a different color, black on black,
medium blue on blac, midnight blue on black, black on black, blue on
black, etc.  I find this to be interesting.  Also, the speaking of
attributes is only available in certain places.  For example, I can
check attributes in edit boxes and documents, but can not check them in
Thunderbird edit boxes.  Also, when I press control-delete and it works,
it reads the number representation, the font size and foreground and
background color.  When pressing it twice, it reads the same information
and adds the color digital values for both foreground and background.
This is interesting how things work from one machine to another, grin.
Thanks for your help.

Carol


On 5/19/2018 1:10 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

The automatic font color is black unless (I assume) you choose a theme
with a different default color. You can check the text the caret is on
by pressing Control+Nulmpad delete twice. Pressing it once only speaks
the unicode value, twice speaks that along with the font name, size,
and color.

You can manually set the default font to black. but it's a nightmare
and seems to have a mind of its own. I tried using Window-eyes, NVDA,
and Narrator. I only got the change to stick once out of countless
tries. I often got a completely different color than I thought I
selected. And when I selected black I got a slightly lighter black, of
which there are several to choose from. So I gave up.
But if you want to fight with it, or you have a pair of eyes handy,
press Alt+H, F, N, to open the font dialog. If you can select the
color, then press the set as default button, select the apply to all
rather than current document radio button, and OK.
This will make it the default for all new documents. But it won't
change existing documents you open.

As for attributes? Press Windows+A to toggle attribute changes on and
off. You should hear that spoken.
To set what you hear about with it on go into verbosity, common,
attribute changes. You can select what you hear and also make them
global or program specific.
Note, the Windows+A hot key is specific to the Word set file. So it's
not global.

Sorry, but I have no idea on the mailings and labels problem.

Hth,
Tom


On 5/18/2018 1:57 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I have Word 2016 on my Win10 pc.  I am using WE and would like the
answer to a couple of questions.

First, under fonts, the color selection there says auto.  I would
like to make certain that my work is always done with a white
background and black characters.  Of course, I understand the
background color would be the same as the paper it is being printed on.

Second, how can I get WE to speak color changes or other attribute
changes in the event there are other colors used in imported documents?

My last question for now is can I get WE to speak what is in the send
to address edit box when working with mailings or particularly
labels? Even though I put an address in the edit box, WE says it is
blank or says nothing.  Right now, in order to enter an address, I
must put it in my current document and copy it to the clipboard, open
the mailings, labels option and focus the address box, press ctrl-a
to clear anything in the box and press ctrl-paste to put the
information in from the clipboard.  If I

Re: Word 2016 questions

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Tom,

This is very helpful.  I could do this with my Win7 pc, but forgot how 
it worked and needed it for win10.  It is good to know that the auto 
setting default is black.  As I have a black laser printer, I guess 
everything I print will be some shade of black, but this still would 
cause an issue for a file I would send to someone else.  Thanks.


As an aside, I am using Thunderbird and have turned on attributes.  At 
the beginning of each new line, a number is spoken (most likely the 
ASCII representation for that character) and then the color.  The funny 
thing is that almost every line has a different color, black on black, 
medium blue on blac, midnight blue on black, black on black, blue on 
black, etc.  I find this to be interesting.  Also, the speaking of 
attributes is only available in certain places.  For example, I can 
check attributes in edit boxes and documents, but can not check them in 
Thunderbird edit boxes.  Also, when I press control-delete and it works, 
it reads the number representation, the font size and foreground and 
background color.  When pressing it twice, it reads the same information 
and adds the color digital values for both foreground and background.  
This is interesting how things work from one machine to another, grin.  
Thanks for your help.


Carol


On 5/19/2018 1:10 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

The automatic font color is black unless (I assume) you choose a theme 
with a different default color. You can check the text the caret is on 
by pressing Control+Nulmpad delete twice. Pressing it once only speaks 
the unicode value, twice speaks that along with the font name, size, 
and color.


You can manually set the default font to black. but it's a nightmare 
and seems to have a mind of its own. I tried using Window-eyes, NVDA, 
and Narrator. I only got the change to stick once out of countless 
tries. I often got a completely different color than I thought I 
selected. And when I selected black I got a slightly lighter black, of 
which there are several to choose from. So I gave up.
But if you want to fight with it, or you have a pair of eyes handy, 
press Alt+H, F, N, to open the font dialog. If you can select the 
color, then press the set as default button, select the apply to all 
rather than current document radio button, and OK.
This will make it the default for all new documents. But it won't 
change existing documents you open.


As for attributes? Press Windows+A to toggle attribute changes on and 
off. You should hear that spoken.
To set what you hear about with it on go into verbosity, common, 
attribute changes. You can select what you hear and also make them 
global or program specific.
Note, the Windows+A hot key is specific to the Word set file. So it's 
not global.


Sorry, but I have no idea on the mailings and labels problem.

Hth,
Tom


On 5/18/2018 1:57 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi,

I have Word 2016 on my Win10 pc.  I am using WE and would like the 
answer to a couple of questions.


First, under fonts, the color selection there says auto.  I would 
like to make certain that my work is always done with a white 
background and black characters.  Of course, I understand the 
background color would be the same as the paper it is being printed on.


Second, how can I get WE to speak color changes or other attribute 
changes in the event there are other colors used in imported documents?


My last question for now is can I get WE to speak what is in the send 
to address edit box when working with mailings or particularly 
labels? Even though I put an address in the edit box, WE says it is 
blank or says nothing.  Right now, in order to enter an address, I 
must put it in my current document and copy it to the clipboard, open 
the mailings, labels option and focus the address box, press ctrl-a 
to clear anything in the box and press ctrl-paste to put the 
information in from the clipboard.  If I do not do it this way, 
sometimes, the label comes out blank and at other times, there is 
only one line of the address that gets printed.


Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Word 2016 questions

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi,

I have Word 2016 on my Win10 pc.  I am using WE and would like the 
answer to a couple of questions.


First, under fonts, the color selection there says auto.  I would like 
to make certain that my work is always done with a white background and 
black characters.  Of course, I understand the background color would be 
the same as the paper it is being printed on.


Second, how can I get WE to speak color changes or other attribute 
changes in the event there are other colors used in imported documents?


My last question for now is can I get WE to speak what is in the send to 
address edit box when working with mailings or particularly labels?  
Even though I put an address in the edit box, WE says it is blank or 
says nothing.  Right now, in order to enter an address, I must put it in 
my current document and copy it to the clipboard, open the mailings, 
labels option and focus the address box, press ctrl-a to clear anything 
in the box and press ctrl-paste to put the information in from the 
clipboard.  If I do not do it this way, sometimes, the label comes out 
blank and at other times, there is only one line of the address that 
gets printed.


Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: I'm beginning to notice new features that Window-Eyes does notg support

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

You can still use the new folder creation with the Window-Eyes bypass 
key first, insert-b then control-shift-n works fine.


Carol


On 5/11/2018 10:26 AM, Bob Tinney via Talk wrote:
I just noticed that WE does not support the new folder feature when 
you want to create a new folder by hitting control shift n. NVDA and 
Narrator do support this feature.




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need help with Ebay page

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Group,

My brother has an issue with WE and Ebay that I do not have.  My page 
works properly, his does not.  When I go to a page and do a search, I 
get a standard page and pressing H takes me to each heading for the 
search results (once I have gotten past the typical Ebay headings.)  
Let's say we do the same search.  My result is that I get 63 headings 
and 42 results.  He does the exact same search and gets 15 headings and 
the only way he can get to the search results is to tab through all of 
the 200 links. Therefore, he has to listen to all kinds of extraneous 
information like buy it now, price, shipping cost, etc.  My headings 
simply go to the next item.


He is making a guess that there are three columns on his screen and the 
information he wants is in the middle column, but WE will not take him 
there.  Even if he does a search and finds the first result, he still 
can not get to the next item by pressing H.


If anyone can give me a hand in trying to help him, this would be 
greatly appreciated.  He has had this issue once before and was able to 
restore the computer to a previous setting and all worked properly 
again.  The other issue with this situation is that his wife, when his 
screen was not working correctly the previous time, had a normal 
screen.  This time, both screens are messed up and he can not find out 
how to disable his anit-virus, whish I believe is AVG.  His restore says 
he can not restore due to his anti-virus blocking the restore process.   
Thanks for any assistance.


Carol


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Re: `news about jws

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

One thing some people may have forgotten or were not on board with WE 
early enough was thay they also charged extra for pro versions of 
Window-Eyes.  It seems to me that it was at least $100 more than the 
standard version because I did not have pro and a friend did.  When the 
time came that I needed pro, I did have to find the money to do so.  The 
difference between the two companies is that all upgrades cost the same 
for WE and JFW charges more for the pro version upgrades.


Carol


On 4/28/2018 1:11 AM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hello Lynn. I agree with you that we shouldn't call anybody names. I think the 
problem with FS that people have is the fact they have a stranglehold in 
education and and the fact you have to pay extra for home and pro. That was one 
of the reasons I went to Window-Eyes. But yes, they were indeed running out of 
money, even though Window-Eyes had been around for 23 years, and the lawsuit 
that FS filed contributed to this..

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of lynn white via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:51 PM
To: bj colt via Talk
Cc: lynn white
Subject: Re: `news about jws

I don't get calling a company such silly names.  I have always wished
that they would be subscription based.  You will spend the same money
but in smaller bites.


It's understandable that subscriptions aren't for everyone.  When
Microsoft started such programs, I don't recall calling their approach
the names that you call Freedom Scientific.


Plus, we all forget that, as great as Window-Eyes was, they simply were
running out of money.


On 4/27/2018 9:27 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Folks,

I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to become 
a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of the 
opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be interesting how 
it is going to work?

I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil 
sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.

I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.

Live long and prosper, John
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Re: List Gone?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks, but I never could get TB to filter reliably.  I don't want to 
filter out information from an entire list, only topics, which I won't 
know about until I get a message from that topic.  I guess what I really 
need is more time at home, grin.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.


Carol

On 3/17/2018 1:33 AM, mattias jonsson via Talk wrote:

why delete?
just setup filters instead


På 17 mars 2018 12:52:23 fm Carol and Roger via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> skrev:


Boy!  That must be nice.  I have just finished deleting over 150
messages and still have almost 800 more to go through.  Roger has been
in the hospital and is now in rehab.  I just can't seem to get caught
up, grin.  I am hoping I am not losing anything important from my lists,
but there comes a time when the delete key simply M U S T be used.  Take
care.

Carol


On 3/16/2018 6:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I monitor this list daily, many times per day, and it's been very quiet, 
although a few trickle in, from time to time.
Besides Dennis's list, windoweyesus...@roups.io, I'm on no other lists, and 
enjoying the quiet. (smile)

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 6:07 PM
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Subject: Re: List Gone?

Hi Tom,

No, the list is not gone.  I can't say what has been posted, though, as
I have been away from my PC for a while.

Carol


On 3/16/2018 6:48 PM, Tom via Talk wrote:

Has this list been terminated?

Tom

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Re: List Gone?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Boy!  That must be nice.  I have just finished deleting over 150 
messages and still have almost 800 more to go through.  Roger has been 
in the hospital and is now in rehab.  I just can't seem to get caught 
up, grin.  I am hoping I am not losing anything important from my lists, 
but there comes a time when the delete key simply M U S T be used.  Take 
care.


Carol


On 3/16/2018 6:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I monitor this list daily, many times per day, and it's been very quiet, 
although a few trickle in, from time to time.
Besides Dennis's list, windoweyesus...@roups.io, I'm on no other lists, and 
enjoying the quiet. (smile)

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 6:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: List Gone?

Hi Tom,

No, the list is not gone.  I can't say what has been posted, though, as
I have been away from my PC for a while.

Carol


On 3/16/2018 6:48 PM, Tom via Talk wrote:

Has this list been terminated?

Tom

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Re: List Gone?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Tom,

No, the list is not gone.  I can't say what has been posted, though, as 
I have been away from my PC for a while.


Carol


On 3/16/2018 6:48 PM, Tom via Talk wrote:

Has this list been terminated?

Tom

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Re: Did You Accidentially Delete A Message? {Was} NVDA mailing list

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Well, some of us use shift-delete.  There is no going back from that 
one.  Also, if one should think they are finished with email and close 
the program, there goes the trash on many systems.  So, it is not always 
so easy to bring back something from the trash folder.  One must 
remember they needed that file before leaving the mail program.  I have 
personally tried to help others that have lost files this way.  The only 
way to be sure a message is not deleted until you delete it from the 
trash is to make certain that "empty trash on exit" is turned off.  This 
means you will have to empty the trash as you go along.


Carol


On 3/1/2018 11:42 AM, David via Talk wrote:

For all members of the list,

As a friendly reminder:


We all eventually touch that Delete-key, when it was inconvenient. That
important message should not have been deleted; and what do you do now?


First of all, all the mail clients I have been in touch with, do have a
Trash folder. Whenever you hit the Delete-key, messages typically are
moved there. They are not altered, or modified in any way. As a matter
of fact, do you go to the trash folder of your mail program, you can
quickly "re-insert" the message, back inot the folder it originally
belonged to. So, before asking the group members to send out yet another
message, generating extra clutter on the list, and taking up time from
others, may you please check your trash folder first.


One thing is, when you have deleted a message that is several days,
weeks or even months old. It then could be a mess to try refinding it in
the trash folder. But if you know it is only a few days ago the original
message was received, it should be not too hard to bring it back on-stage.


Oh for sure, there is a way to permanently delete a message. It might
often be a combo with the delete-key, like Shift-Del, or Ctrl-Del -
depending on your mail client. Did you happen to use that combo when
deleting the message? Please, don't despair all yet. At the bottom of
any message from the list, there is a short note that reads:


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How about that? Smiles.

And then, what if you are using a web-based mail service? I was under
the impression that even those services do offer the Trash feature,
although they might name it indifferently.

OK, was it only a short note you are looking for, like a mail address or
some subscription information, it might not be too hard for others to
retype and resend the info. But what about when you ask for a
wtep-through guide of some sort? Besides, even refinding subscription
info or the like, might take a bit of time from others, in their sincere
wish to help you out.

Again, I did not mean to discourage anyone from asking questions on the
list. I just wanted to remind all, that sometimes our mistakes do call
for a tiny bit of fooling around, on our own computer. Smiles. Let's ask
the list, when we do not have a chance of getting to the info ourselves,
or when we know someone might have an answer that works the best.

this list is not the worst, believe me. I have seen lists where people
tend to ask the same old questions over and over again, or spread the
same old story or other information. It seems no trouble, it is only a
line or two. But did you all know, an electronic mail holds numerous
lines. It has a load of technical information enclosed, to let the
servers between you and the recipient know how to handle the message. If
the mail is written in HTML, it will hold loads and hives of coding.
All-in-all, even if you only typed in 23 characters, your actual load on
the net servers might be more like 1000. In today's world, 1000
characters, or approx one Kilobyte, might seem harmless. But what do you
think, if one thousand users do the same? Or even, remember when you ask
a question, someone has to reply, and their reply might hold even a copy
of your message, raising the total load into the multiples. As a matter
of fact, even small clutter on every list, might bgenerate tons of
unnecessary net resources. And net resources are not out of the blue.
They do take servers to spin, fans to cool, and distribution centrals
for the cabling to operate. All of this takes electricity. Well, not
much to bother, but still might be worth to remind us all sometimes.

BTW, it was told on the radio the other day, that when you have a video
conference with your friend - say over services like Skype, the two of
you are actually generating loads of net resource consumption.
"Ah," you might think, "Can't really amount into anything much. After
all, it is all electronics!"
Surprise! At least I got quite astonished, when learning that such a
simple video conference, actually consumes electrical power, equal to
that of having TWO refridgerators running simultaneously and continiously.

Anyone wondered why we pay for our internet subscription? Smiles.


On 3/1/2018 4:31 PM, BK via Talk wrote:

Hello, the 

Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Pastor Gil,

That should be insert-h, I believe.  If everyone else has already 
answered this, please excuse me.  I am over 100 messages behind, grin.


Carol


On 2/22/2018 8:42 AM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

You can turn the camas and periods off.
Press insert then go to basic then to voice ajustments and set the
punctuation to none.
Have you tried the vocalizier Expressive voices?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:04 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I did, but I hate jaws.  Jaws acts as if we are simpletons.  I hate, for
instance, that, after you press enter on an email, after you already know
who it is from and what the subject is, that you have to listen to the whole
thing, not just the body of the message.  I also hate that you can't turn
certain things off, so you have to listen to commas and periods and stuff.
And that eloquence is terrible!  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

If Window-Eyes finally dies with the release of the next Windows10 update,
that could put the final nails in the casket for me.  I'll have to lick my
wounds and find ways to dry my free flowing tears.

That aside, I better work a bit more quickly on mastering my Android tablet;
the nails in the casket will just about do it for me with Windows and its
associated screen readers.  No, no Windows10 for me; no, I didn't take the
offer to migrate to Jaws even though I can use Jaws.  And, no, NVDA WILL NOT
cut it for what I have to do particularly with respect to gainful
employment.

Farewell!  Back to the sidelines I go, peeping out of my pidgin holes and
watching the goings-on!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: Version 9.5.4

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi,

Go to the control panel and open help
You will find the serial number under about, after you tab one time.

Carol


On 2/19/2018 3:15 PM, Patricia Krinke via Talk wrote:

How does one get to the serial number nowadays?  I have forgotten how, and
maybe it doesn't matter anymore.


Trish

-Original Message-
From: Loy Green via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:01 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Version 9.5.4

Contact VFO. They were giving out links to download, but not sure if they
are still doing so.
   - Original Message -
   From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
   To: Rod Hutton
   Cc: Donald L. Roberts
   Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:33 PM
   Subject: Version 9.5.4


   Hello,

   I need to reinstall Window-eyes 9.5.4 but cannot locate my CD.  I do of
course have my serial number but want to know if there is somewhere from
where I can download the CD.

   Thanks.

   Don Roberts
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help restoring XP computer

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Group,

My brother is running an old XP computer with Window-Eyes.  He has it in 
his basement and it is not on line.  Recently, he wanted to burn a CD 
and it would not work.  He had a similar problem on his regular PC and a 
restoration fixed the issue.  He can not find out how to do a system 
restore on the XP  machine.  I know there are still a few XP users here 
and thought I would see if they had any suggestions.  Thanks.


Carol


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Re: I cannot access attachments

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Hi Ivan,

Which email client are you using?

Carol


On 2/18/2018 7:12 PM, Ivan Cribb via Talk wrote:

I am running Windows10 and the last version of Window-Eyes but the subject
says it all. Can somebody please remind me what to do.

Thanks Ivan

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Re: Total Recorder

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Larry.  I was able to record 3.5 hours of streaming today.  I used 
the scheduler.


The other thing I did was to change power settings so my PC would not 
sleep or turn off devices like the internet.  This was something I never 
had to worry about in Windows 7.  I just said don't sleep and nothing 
did, grin.


Carol


On 2/13/2018 7:05 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Carol,


I've been using TR for at least 15 years. Couldn't get along without 
it. I use it, for


 the most part, for recording audio streams. The gap here might be 
that I am using the professional edition. With the pro edition, you 
can schedule recording sessions, and in theory, and even in fact, they 
can go on until you run out of drive space.


The streams that I record are .mp3, and the longest one I've recorded 
was twelve hours without a hitch.


I say all that to say this. I do have a problem more often than I 
would like with recordings that just quit with no real explanation. I 
think I would give my right arm if I could find a way to do something 
about it.


The thing is, the recording session doesn't shut down when this 
happens, but stays open until the end of its scheduled time. I even 
have TR set to reconnect when it loses the connection, at least that 
is what I think is happening here, but no go.


OK, maybe I wouldn't give my right arm, but maybe a steak or chicken 
dinner if someone could help me to figure this one out.


I kinda  think it might be a problem with Comcast, but it is so random 
in nature, I can think of no way for them to check it out. Oh well.


I know this hasn't been very helpful, but maybe, just maybe someone 
might hear our cry, and come to our aide.




On 2/13/2018 5:41 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Is there anyone on the list that uses Total Recorder standard version 
8.?  I want to record something that runs for more than two hours.  
It always stops early.  How can I get something to record until I 
come back and turn it off?  Thanks.  Also, are there either tutorials 
or a written manual?  I hate trying to find things in the help 
screens from the internet.


Carol


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Total Recorder

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Is there anyone on the list that uses Total Recorder standard version 
8.?  I want to record something that runs for more than two hours.  It 
always stops early.  How can I get something to record until I come back 
and turn it off?  Thanks.  Also, are there either tutorials or a written 
manual?  I hate trying to find things in the help screens from the 
internet.


Carol


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Re: file associations

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thank you very much.  I have done it and it works like a charm.

Take care!

Carol

On 2/10/2018 9:31 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
Hey Carol, Windows 10 makes this very easy. Just highlight an .mp3 
file, go to the context menu and choose properties, and you will see 
an option to change. Press enter on that, and you will see a list of 
options for the app to open, and from that list choose Winamp and hit 
OK, and you're good to go.



This should work through Winamp, and with XP, it did, but that simple 
method isn't what it used to be. This is really convenient though.



HTH,


Larry


On 2/10/2018 7:35 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Group!

I would like to have my Windows 10 PC play .wav files with Winamp.  
How can I make this happen?  I chose that option when I installed 
Winamp, but every time I open a .wav file, it opens in Groove player 
or whatever that program is called.


Thanks for any help.

Carol


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file associations

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Group!

I would like to have my Windows 10 PC play .wav files with Winamp.  How 
can I make this happen?  I chose that option when I installed Winamp, 
but every time I open a .wav file, it opens in Groove player or whatever 
that program is called.


Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: question about docs.

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Michael.

If you have Wordpad on your system, you should be able to open docs with 
it.  I think you will be somewhat limited with formatting, bt it will 
read the text.


Carol

On 2/6/2018 5:01 AM, michael fridey via Talk wrote:
Hi ghys i know that the free app called microsoft word viewer is 
not around now.


So i was after a basic free app to read microsoft word docs.

can anyone  tell me one.

Cheers michael.

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Re: file explorer in win 10

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Peter,

I don't know that this will help, but if I get that problem, I do a 
shift-tab and then it seems to work properly.  If you listen carefully, 
you will probably hear something like "name closed" which means you are 
not directly in the list of files and folders.  A shift-tab will put you 
in the correct place for arrowing up and down through files.


Carol


On 2/3/2018 1:50 AM, peter Chin via Talk wrote:

Hello Rod and All,

I have managed to arrange my folders under  my  user name in a list 
view as

I like it. However, I still hear extraneous speech such as "a-h", "i-p",
"q-z". How do I stop this?

My machine has Windows 8.1 which I believe is very similar to Windows 10.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 11:46 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: file explorer in win 10

Hi Butch,

I assume you have not, as yet, configured your system to display all 
folders

in list view or detailed view rather than what is set by default on a new
installation, namely, icons, and I can't remember whether they are 
small or

medium or large.
Anyway, regardless how they are set, you will neeed to configure this by
opening any folder on your system, set it up the way you like it, and 
then

make it global.
This is done by opening any folder on your system, in the View tab, 
opened
with Alt-V, L, and then you'll will get a drop-down with the display 
options

arranged, in typical confusing Windows 10 fashion, as a grid of options.
Arrowing left and right, up and down, find detailed view, and press 
Enter.

Okay, after doing this, you'll want to return to the View tab by pressing
Alt-V, and then tabbing through other options for customizing your View,
namely, whether you want your files and folders sorted ascending or
descending, etc, by name, date, and the latter is what I prefer, in 
contrast

to the Windows default on all systems, but it's your choice.
Again, once you pick each setting, you press Enter to activate it, and 
this

often closes the tab;
If not, however, you can always Escape out.
Finally, you can set the settings to apply to your whole system by 
finding

the traditional Folder options dialog which you'll recall from Windows 7.
This is also in the View tab and the shortcut is Alt-V, Y, and press 
Enter.
As in the old days, once the Folder options dialog is open, Ctrl-tab 
brings
the View tab to focus, and you can tab to the Apply button to 
globalize your

settings.
As a rule, everything that was in Windows 7 in present in Windows 10;
They're just in the ribbons of the application you're using, including
Explorer.
I hope this was helpful.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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Of BK via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2018 8:06 PM
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: file explorer in win 10

Hello, using win 10 and Jaws, when I open a folder in file explorer, the
highlight is in the middle of the list instead of at the top. Then as I
am arrowing through the list, the highlight will jump around on me. I
have never experienced anything like this. Is there a setting I need to
change? Is there a tutorial on how to use this win 10 file explorer. All
help is appreciated.

Butch

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Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Robert,

Find keyboard and press right arrow twice.
Now, you can down arrow to speckal keys.
Tab twice and you will be in a combo box.
Down arrow to off.
Press tab twice and make sure all items you do not want repeated say 
off.  Finally, tab to save and press enter.


This next process is not necessary, but I like to keep all of my nodes 
closed to prevent my making unwanted changes.
Tab to the tree view, which is just past the minimize button and press 
the left arrow until your cursor is sitting on keyboard closed.  You can 
now press escape or shift tab to minimize button and enter on that.


Carol

On 2/3/2018 3:34 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

I DON'T SEE SPECIAL KEYS UNDER KEYBOARD.

-bOB


-Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:49 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

its in keyboard/special keys

-Original Message- From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 11:29 AM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Need Help Window-Eyes pARAMETERS

Window-Eyes announces tab, up arrow, down arrow, etc. I can’t find the
parameter to stop this.

Any help?




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Re: WE and Office 2016

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Steve,

I have been playing around with Word and labels with no success. One 
thing I did notice is that WE would not speak when I tried to paste text 
into the box.  I put an address in WordPad and copied it to the 
clipboard and tried to paste it into the box.  It would not speeak.  The 
box also said nothing when trying to navigate it.  It would seem to me 
that if the text did not paste, the box should have said blank as I 
moved around in it.  I think I will try contacting Microsoft to let them 
see if they can help me.  I will let you know what they say.


Carol


On 1/24/2018 10:37 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Carol,

I wonder if this is part of the old Microsoft bug that affected envelope
addressing for years.  That was fixed in Word 2016, though.  Would you give
exact steps to get where you are getting?  I'd like to figure out if this is
a Microsoft bug.

As a work-around, you might be able to type the address in a document and
then select it.  Microsoft might populate the "to" field with the selected
address, although you might not be able to determine that until you print
the label if this is left over from the old bug.  This was the case with the
envelope addressing dialog.  You probably would not need to copy and paste,
it happens automatically if this works similarly.  Don't get me wrong, you
shouldn't have to do it this way, it should work and we need to figure out
why it isn't working, whether it is Window-Eyes or a Microsoft bug.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 9:10 AM
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Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: WE and Office 2016

Hello,

I need to print a label.  I can go to the settings and choose my wanted
label.  I can choose which label prints and where it is on the page.
The problem is that I can not get WE to read the information in the to
label box.  It simply does not speak and the box does not show up with
the mouse keys.  The mouse keys report everything else I need except for
the address.  Are there settings I need to change in Window-Eyes for
Word 2016?  Thanks.

Carol

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Re: phone number amazon accessibility line

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Here ya go!

amazon disability 1 888 283-1678

Carol


On 1/24/2018 11:40 AM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote:

What is the phone numg  what is the phone number for amazons 
accessibility line?
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Re: WE and Office 2016

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Steve,

I treated making labels the same as I would have in Word 2007.  I pasted 
the address I needed to make the label for into the open word document.  
I then put the person's name in the line above the address.  I then 
selected all and copied it to the clipboard.


Next, I pressed alt-m, l to open the mailings and label group. Normally, 
the address shows up in the address box.  It was not there, so I pasted 
it in.  It was still not readable.


I then went to options and made sure the correct label format was 
selected and entered on OK, in case there was a problem with the label 
size.  The label was the correct one.  The information was still not in 
the address box.  I erased the data from the address box and then went 
back to the Word document where I copied the information again and went 
back to the labels settings again.  The information did not appear in 
the box automatically, so I pressed ctrl-shift-w to read the screen 
contents.  The information was not there, either.  I pasted it into the 
box again and pressed ctrl-shift-w again and the data still did not 
appear.  This time, I printed it out anyway.  The label printed, but was 
not spoken.


Carol


2018 10:37 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Carol,

I wonder if this is part of the old Microsoft bug that affected envelope
addressing for years.  That was fixed in Word 2016, though.  Would you give
exact steps to get where you are getting?  I'd like to figure out if this is
a Microsoft bug.

As a work-around, you might be able to type the address in a document and
then select it.  Microsoft might populate the "to" field with the selected
address, although you might not be able to determine that until you print
the label if this is left over from the old bug.  This was the case with the
envelope addressing dialog.  You probably would not need to copy and paste,
it happens automatically if this works similarly.  Don't get me wrong, you
shouldn't have to do it this way, it should work and we need to figure out
why it isn't working, whether it is Window-Eyes or a Microsoft bug.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 9:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: WE and Office 2016

Hello,

I need to print a label.  I can go to the settings and choose my wanted
label.  I can choose which label prints and where it is on the page.
The problem is that I can not get WE to read the information in the to
label box.  It simply does not speak and the box does not show up with
the mouse keys.  The mouse keys report everything else I need except for
the address.  Are there settings I need to change in Window-Eyes for
Word 2016?  Thanks.

Carol

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WE and Office 2016

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hello,

I need to print a label.  I can go to the settings and choose my wanted 
label.  I can choose which label prints and where it is on the page.  
The problem is that I can not get WE to read the information in the to 
label box.  It simply does not speak and the box does not show up with 
the mouse keys.  The mouse keys report everything else I need except for 
the address.  Are there settings I need to change in Window-Eyes for 
Word 2016?  Thanks.


Carol

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Re: arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Sweet!  I might be young at heart, but I doubt you'll find many hairs 
that haven't turned grey by now, grin.


Carol


On 1/15/2018 7:00 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Well, that's just the spirit of Windows trying to keep you young at heart.
Too bad it doesn't know you got that beat already. (grin)

So happy for you,

Rod

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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 15, 2018 5:43 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

Hi Rod,

Well, you are going to be as uh, maybe astonished as I have been. Here
is my little story, grin.

I have rebooted the computer and still come up with the same Goldwave
issue.  Yes, I am also using the default setting.  I decided to try to
see what happens with Jaws.  I used the 2018 version and I kept getting
lots of beeps, you know, kind of like the ones before WE chuts down from
an error.  I had tried to use SAPI 64-bit.  I decided to see if it would
make a difference with SAPI 5.  Well, it did.  The beeping stopped and
Goldwave did work properly except, of course, there are no nice little
Window-Eyes app keys do make the program work easier.

I closed Jaws and opened Window-Eyes and now, it is working properly.
Go figure!

I don't think I'll ever get used to this crazy computer, grin.

Carol



On 1/15/2018 5:27 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Yes, we're using the same version of GoldWave.
My arrow keys are as silent as the tomb.
Just to be clear, it is with Window-Eyes that you are getting this verbosity?
Also, if you are in the window where you can play and scroll around your file, 
and you open the WE control panel, what is the associated set file?
As I mentioned, default.set is mine, and, if another is associated, this may be 
your problem.
If so, try associating default.set.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 15, 2018 1:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

Hi Rod,

I am using 6.31, or that is what the download version calls itself.  The tag on 
the desktop says it is version 6.1.0.0.  It is the latest version, I think from 
around July or something like that.

Do your arrow keys say anything when you press them?  Mine did not before 
installing this version.

Carol


On 1/15/2018 1:11 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I'm using the current version of GoldWave, which is 6.31, and I'm wondering if 
this is one of the issues from earlier versions which the developer addressed.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk
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Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 15, 2018 12:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

Hello,

I can not get the arrow keys to stop speaking in Goldwave.  I am running (as 
far as I know) the latest version of Win 10 and the latest Goldwave.  I also 
have Rod's Goldwave enhanced app.

Whenever I press an arrow key (any key, it doesn't matter which one) WE speaks 
several lines of text from the information on the mouse screen.
It acts similar to tabbing to a dialog box that reads everything when it is 
tabbed to.  As the arrow keys are for moving through audio, it makes it 
difficult to listen to what I am trying to find.  I have never encountered a 
problem like this before.  Are there any ideas floating around that I might 
try?  I tried disabling cursor speech, but that didn't change anything. Thanks 
for any recommendations.

Carol


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Re: arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

Well, you are going to be as uh, maybe astonished as I have been. Here 
is my little story, grin.


I have rebooted the computer and still come up with the same Goldwave 
issue.  Yes, I am also using the default setting.  I decided to try to 
see what happens with Jaws.  I used the 2018 version and I kept getting 
lots of beeps, you know, kind of like the ones before WE chuts down from 
an error.  I had tried to use SAPI 64-bit.  I decided to see if it would 
make a difference with SAPI 5.  Well, it did.  The beeping stopped and 
Goldwave did work properly except, of course, there are no nice little 
Window-Eyes app keys do make the program work easier.


I closed Jaws and opened Window-Eyes and now, it is working properly.  
Go figure!


I don't think I'll ever get used to this crazy computer, grin.

Carol



On 1/15/2018 5:27 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Yes, we're using the same version of GoldWave.
My arrow keys are as silent as the tomb.
Just to be clear, it is with Window-Eyes that you are getting this verbosity?
Also, if you are in the window where you can play and scroll around your file, 
and you open the WE control panel, what is the associated set file?
As I mentioned, default.set is mine, and, if another is associated, this may be 
your problem.
If so, try associating default.set.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 15, 2018 1:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

Hi Rod,

I am using 6.31, or that is what the download version calls itself.  The tag on 
the desktop says it is version 6.1.0.0.  It is the latest version, I think from 
around July or something like that.

Do your arrow keys say anything when you press them?  Mine did not before 
installing this version.

Carol


On 1/15/2018 1:11 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I'm using the current version of GoldWave, which is 6.31, and I'm wondering if 
this is one of the issues from earlier versions which the developer addressed.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 15, 2018 12:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

Hello,

I can not get the arrow keys to stop speaking in Goldwave.  I am running (as 
far as I know) the latest version of Win 10 and the latest Goldwave.  I also 
have Rod's Goldwave enhanced app.

Whenever I press an arrow key (any key, it doesn't matter which one) WE speaks 
several lines of text from the information on the mouse screen.
It acts similar to tabbing to a dialog box that reads everything when it is 
tabbed to.  As the arrow keys are for moving through audio, it makes it 
difficult to listen to what I am trying to find.  I have never encountered a 
problem like this before.  Are there any ideas floating around that I might 
try?  I tried disabling cursor speech, but that didn't change anything. Thanks 
for any recommendations.

Carol


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Re: arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

I am using 6.31, or that is what the download version calls itself.  The 
tag on the desktop says it is version 6.1.0.0.  It is the latest 
version, I think from around July or something like that.


Do your arrow keys say anything when you press them?  Mine did not 
before installing this version.


Carol


On 1/15/2018 1:11 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I'm using the current version of GoldWave, which is 6.31, and I'm wondering if 
this is one of the issues from earlier versions which the developer addressed.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 15, 2018 12:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

Hello,

I can not get the arrow keys to stop speaking in Goldwave.  I am running (as 
far as I know) the latest version of Win 10 and the latest Goldwave.  I also 
have Rod's Goldwave enhanced app.

Whenever I press an arrow key (any key, it doesn't matter which one) WE speaks 
several lines of text from the information on the mouse screen.
It acts similar to tabbing to a dialog box that reads everything when it is 
tabbed to.  As the arrow keys are for moving through audio, it makes it 
difficult to listen to what I am trying to find.  I have never encountered a 
problem like this before.  Are there any ideas floating around that I might 
try?  I tried disabling cursor speech, but that didn't change anything. Thanks 
for any recommendations.

Carol


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arrow keys speaking in Goldwave

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hello,

I can not get the arrow keys to stop speaking in Goldwave.  I am running 
(as far as I know) the latest version of Win 10 and the latest 
Goldwave.  I also have Rod's Goldwave enhanced app.


Whenever I press an arrow key (any key, it doesn't matter which one) WE 
speaks several lines of text from the information on the mouse screen.  
It acts similar to tabbing to a dialog box that reads everything when it 
is tabbed to.  As the arrow keys are for moving through audio, it makes 
it difficult to listen to what I am trying to find.  I have never 
encountered a problem like this before.  Are there any ideas floating 
around that I might try?  I tried disabling cursor speech, but that 
didn't change anything. Thanks for any recommendations.


Carol


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Re: WE and Goldwave

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks Tom.  I have already made the changes to the control properties.  
It did stop the delays.

On 1/15/2018 8:21 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:
I haven't used Goldwave for a long time, and I still have Windows 7. 
However, I there is a setting under Tools called Control. It is 
checked. That may help.


-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 6:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: WE and Goldwave

Hi Rod,

OK, I did that.  There were one or two that did not have a blank
option.  Do I leave them at their original setting?

Next, do I use the Goldwave app or the goldwave enhanced app?

Finally, every time I press a right or left arrow, it does what it
should except it also has extraneous speech, which appears that it is
reading a toolbar and status bar, with some extra stuff in the middle.
I keep my mouse pointer at either the very bottom right or the top
right.  This makes me wonder if there is not some settings I should have
made with Windows 10.  Thanks for your help.

Carol

On 1/14/2018 6:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

In addition to recommending that you upgrade the current build of 
GoldWave (since it works just fine for me with the current version of 
WE), here's the solution to your problem:


How to make GoldWave respond better:
GoldWave tends to be sluggish when using a screen reader until one 
deactivates visual effects as follows:

1. On the Options menu, choose Control Properties.
2. Choose the Visual tab using Control-tab, or by tabbing to the tab 
control and activating the desired tab using arrow keys. Focus tends 
to jump around and so you will have to tab to the tab control again 
to confirm that the proper tab has been reached.
3. In each combo box which contains an option named "blank", set it 
to this option.

4. Choose the Ok button and you're finished.

Best,

Rod

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Sent: January 14, 2018 4:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: WE and Goldwave

Hi Group,

I am trying to use Goldwave with WE.  There is a problem where trying to
navigate through a file using the right or left arrows causes a lot of
hesitation and then, silence before the file advances.  It does not
matter which time increment I use.  I am running version 570, but also
tried version 569.  I also have two different versions of the Goldwave
app.  One is goldwave0.27 and the other is goldwave_enhanced1.0.1.

Can anyone help me out with this problem?  My brother is also using
version 6 something and is having the same problem.
Carol


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Re: WE and Goldwave

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

I think my problem with the arrows is not a Goldwave issue.  It is 
almost like something in Window-Eyes is turned on that shouldn't be.  I 
can't, though, figure it out.  It keeps repeating the same thing every 
time I press one of the arrow keys and it does not make any difference 
as to which one I press.  It is the dedicated arrow keys with the 
problem, not the mouse keys.


Oh yes, thank you for your help.  I gave your instructions to my 
brother.  His is working fine.  Take care.


Carol


On 1/14/2018 8:44 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

The ones without a blank entry can be left as is.
I don't know much about what up an down arrows do, only left and right.
The degree of seek that the left and right arrows perform is usually quickly 
set using Shift-0 through Shift-6, as seen in the View menu.
The only useful app is the one I wrote, the GoldWave Enhance app, and has three 
hot keys for reading the begin and end markers, as well as the total time 
between them.

Best,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 14, 2018 7:38 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: WE and Goldwave

Hi again, Rod,

I just noticed that the extra verbage comes when pressing the up and
down arrows also.

Carol


On 1/14/2018 6:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

In addition to recommending that you upgrade the current build of GoldWave 
(since it works just fine for me with the current version of WE), here's the 
solution to your problem:

How to make GoldWave respond better:
GoldWave tends to be sluggish when using a screen reader until one deactivates 
visual effects as follows:
1. On the Options menu, choose Control Properties.
2. Choose the Visual tab using Control-tab, or by tabbing to the tab control 
and activating the desired tab using arrow keys.  Focus tends to jump around 
and so you will have to tab to the tab control again to confirm that the proper 
tab has been reached.
3. In each combo box which contains an option named "blank", set it to this 
option.
4. Choose the Ok button and you're finished.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 14, 2018 4:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: WE and Goldwave

Hi Group,

I am trying to use Goldwave with WE.  There is a problem where trying to
navigate through a file using the right or left arrows causes a lot of
hesitation and then, silence before the file advances.  It does not
matter which time increment I use.  I am running version 570, but also
tried version 569.  I also have two different versions of the Goldwave
app.  One is goldwave0.27 and the other is goldwave_enhanced1.0.1.

Can anyone help me out with this problem?  My brother is also using
version 6 something and is having the same problem.
Carol


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Re: WE and Goldwave

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi again, Rod,

I just noticed that the extra verbage comes when pressing the up and 
down arrows also.


Carol


On 1/14/2018 6:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

In addition to recommending that you upgrade the current build of GoldWave 
(since it works just fine for me with the current version of WE), here's the 
solution to your problem:

How to make GoldWave respond better:
GoldWave tends to be sluggish when using a screen reader until one deactivates 
visual effects as follows:
1. On the Options menu, choose Control Properties.
2. Choose the Visual tab using Control-tab, or by tabbing to the tab control 
and activating the desired tab using arrow keys.  Focus tends to jump around 
and so you will have to tab to the tab control again to confirm that the proper 
tab has been reached.
3. In each combo box which contains an option named "blank", set it to this 
option.
4. Choose the Ok button and you're finished.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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Subject: WE and Goldwave

Hi Group,

I am trying to use Goldwave with WE.  There is a problem where trying to
navigate through a file using the right or left arrows causes a lot of
hesitation and then, silence before the file advances.  It does not
matter which time increment I use.  I am running version 570, but also
tried version 569.  I also have two different versions of the Goldwave
app.  One is goldwave0.27 and the other is goldwave_enhanced1.0.1.

Can anyone help me out with this problem?  My brother is also using
version 6 something and is having the same problem.
Carol


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Re: WE and Goldwave

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

OK, I did that.  There were one or two that did not have a blank 
option.  Do I leave them at their original setting?


Next, do I use the Goldwave app or the goldwave enhanced app?

Finally, every time I press a right or left arrow, it does what it 
should except it also has extraneous speech, which appears that it is 
reading a toolbar and status bar, with some extra stuff in the middle.  
I keep my mouse pointer at either the very bottom right or the top 
right.  This makes me wonder if there is not some settings I should have 
made with Windows 10.  Thanks for your help.


Carol

On 1/14/2018 6:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

In addition to recommending that you upgrade the current build of GoldWave 
(since it works just fine for me with the current version of WE), here's the 
solution to your problem:

How to make GoldWave respond better:
GoldWave tends to be sluggish when using a screen reader until one deactivates 
visual effects as follows:
1. On the Options menu, choose Control Properties.
2. Choose the Visual tab using Control-tab, or by tabbing to the tab control 
and activating the desired tab using arrow keys.  Focus tends to jump around 
and so you will have to tab to the tab control again to confirm that the proper 
tab has been reached.
3. In each combo box which contains an option named "blank", set it to this 
option.
4. Choose the Ok button and you're finished.

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: WE and Goldwave

Hi Group,

I am trying to use Goldwave with WE.  There is a problem where trying to
navigate through a file using the right or left arrows causes a lot of
hesitation and then, silence before the file advances.  It does not
matter which time increment I use.  I am running version 570, but also
tried version 569.  I also have two different versions of the Goldwave
app.  One is goldwave0.27 and the other is goldwave_enhanced1.0.1.

Can anyone help me out with this problem?  My brother is also using
version 6 something and is having the same problem.
Carol


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WE and Goldwave

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Group,

I am trying to use Goldwave with WE.  There is a problem where trying to 
navigate through a file using the right or left arrows causes a lot of 
hesitation and then, silence before the file advances.  It does not 
matter which time increment I use.  I am running version 570, but also 
tried version 569.  I also have two different versions of the Goldwave 
app.  One is goldwave0.27 and the other is goldwave_enhanced1.0.1.


Can anyone help me out with this problem?  My brother is also using 
version 6 something and is having the same problem.

Carol


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Re: Windows-10 Upgrade Question

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Am I to understand that upgrades from previous os, win7, for example 
will now need to be purchased and Win10 will not cost anything extra for 
updates?  Or, does this mean all Windows updates will be paid updates?  
If the latter is true, this would mean we will now have to pay for 
updates we don't want but are forced to install.  I am running Win10 
version 17.09, but am not certain whether this is the most current 
build.  Do we neeed to do anything to keep up-to-date, or are updates 
automatically installed?  Thanks.


Carol


On 1/11/2018 3:50 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk wrote:

I was told by a MS individual that they would allow after the deadline,
a supervisor would be consulted, and if the software detected
accessability software, that they'd allow it through. All on the down
low, of course.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:23:24 +
Nick Sarames via Talk  wrote:


This is sort of one of those questions where, Mommy says no,  but I'm
hoping Daddy will say yes.  I clicked on the Windows-10 upgrade, and I'm
given the choice to run or save.  I'd like to be able to save the file
until after the free upgrade has passed (when a 3rd party (my sighted
friend) can assist me.  A rep from Microsoft disability says my request
cannot be accomplished.  Is this true?  Is there any other way around
it?  And while I'm at it, how much will this upgrade cost after the
deadline?  Please Daddy?  Thanks in advance.

Nick
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Re: Win10 issue

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

You are welcome.  This is not the best way to figure out your computer, 
but it does talk about things that we never knew about before.


Carol


On 1/6/2018 9:57 AM, BK via Talk wrote:

Thank you, Carol. I got the book. Now maybe I can learn some of the
things that were not in earlier versions of windows. Starting with win 7,
the only part of the start menu I really use is the edit box. The rest
is too cumbersome, even just to find a program, especially in win 10.
That's why I still have my old desktop running win xp. I guess that's
enough of that, smile. Thanks again.

Butch

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Re: Win10 issue

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Although it was not that easy, I took the easy way out.  I uninstalled 
Kurzweil and the printer.  I have now reinstalled them both and they 
work for scanning from Kurzweil.  I have not tried scanning anything to 
the computer, though.  There is a patch I will need to use.  I might 
wait until Monday and talk with Canon about it.


Carol


On 1/5/2018 5:08 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Carol,
If the Kurzweil hasn't come back you can open properties on the 
executable and either try running the compatibility trouble-shooter or 
tweaking it yourself.

Good luck,
Tom


On 1/5/2018 8:45 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Thank you, Tom.  This will certainly come in handy.  I have seen 
others mentioning it, but I have not had too much need to explore it 
yet.  I am working on the basics, like what happened to my Kurzweil 
that was here yesterday and still appears in my program x86 files but 
will not run at all. Next step here is to reboot the PC and see if it 
comes bck.


Carol

PS  I am praying for all of you on the East Coast.  I used to live in 
Baltimore, so am accustomed to some of the noreasters that have hit 
in the past.  I do have a number of friends and relatives that still 
live out East.





On 1/4/2018 9:46 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Here's another shortcut you'll probably want in Windows 10.
Windows+I opens settings.
It's like another control panel. More and more things are being 
moved to it. You'll land in a search box. Shift+Tab up to the list 
box and arrow around through all the various headers. Then tab down.


Have fun with Windows 10. I didn't find it to be a big hurtle. But 
of course hindsight makes most things seem easier than they were.


And now with the "bomb cyclone" revving up and pounding down on me 
it's time to shut down and pull the plug before dear mother nature 
does.


Regards,
Tom


On 1/4/2018 9:29 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Thanks.  I did figure it out.  It only said "d" when I pressed 
winkey+d, so I thought it was not allowing me to go to the desktop. 
Anyway, thanks for the help. I just downloaded the Windows 10 
Missing Manual. It is quite a long book, so I will be busy for a 
long time, grin.


Carol


On 1/4/2018 9:05 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Carol,
When you close all programs, or at startup, and land in this 
window, just press Windows+D to go to the desktop.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/4/2018 7:50 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Rod,

So, I guess it is like the pc losing focus?  Boy!  Do I have a 
lot to learn!


I just downloaded the Windows 10 Missing Manual to see if I can 
get some basic information.  In some ways, this is not as bad as 
switching from Windows 98 to Windows 7.  But, there is a lot more 
now than there was for that switch.


Thanks for the information.

Carol


On 1/4/2018 7:41 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

It's just what we hear when nothing is focused, and it's 
something we all just have to put up with. (sigh)


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: January 4, 2018 5:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Win10 issue

Hi,

What is foreground staging (which says nothing) and how can I 
keep it from showing up and blocking everything?


Actually, it doesn't block everything unless it is the only 
thing open, grin.  It just is there and won't go away and I wish 
it would, of course, if it has a function, I don't want to get 
rid of it, I only want to get it closed.  Thanks


Carol


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Re: Win10 issue

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi,

The book I am reading now is Windows 10 the missing manual.  It tells 
alot of things.  Of course, if you are already a good Windows user, you 
have found a lot of these.  I am only about four hours into the book and 
it is almost 30 hours of reading.  It does talk about a lot of things we 
as blind people won't use, but it also gives keyboard commands for 
things that we would like to use.  I believe the author is Vogue, but I 
haven't seen it written out yet.


I found this book just by searching for windows 10.  I think there was 
only this one, but I might be wrong about that.  The headings go to four 
levels, so you can break things down pretty close to find things.  I 
haven't looked yet, but there is an extensive appendices, including 
keyboard commands.




Carol



On 1/5/2018 10:03 AM, BK via Talk wrote:

Carol, which book from bard are you refering to? Like you, I'm searching
for books and tutorials to help me learn win 10.

Butch

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Re: Win10 issue

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Yes, it is the book from BARD.  It does mention in the book that there 
is a web site where things are updated, but I have not looked at that yet.


I also found a daisy version from Bookshare, which will allow me to 
read, in print, things like keystrokes and search quickly through for 
specific items.


I am interested in any kind of turorals I can get that will help me.  I 
am making my way through and feeling a bit more comfortable with many 
things.


Carol

t
On 1/4/2018 9:40 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
I assume that's the book from NLS BARD. It came out in the early days 
of Windows 10. It should be useful, but a number of things have 
changed since it was written. There is a Windows 10 tutorial by a 
British author that is oriented to blind users and would probably 
answer a lot of your questions, too. I don't have the URL here, though.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 9:29 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Win10 issue

Thanks.  I did figure it out.  It only said "d" when I pressed winkey+d,
so I thought it was not allowing me to go to the desktop.  Anyway,
thanks for the help.  I just downloaded the Windows 10 Missing Manual.
It is quite a long book, so I will be busy for a long time, grin.

Carol


On 1/4/2018 9:05 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Carol,
When you close all programs, or at startup, and land in this window, 
just press Windows+D to go to the desktop.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/4/2018 7:50 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Rod,

So, I guess it is like the pc losing focus?  Boy!  Do I have a lot 
to learn!


I just downloaded the Windows 10 Missing Manual to see if I can get 
some basic information.  In some ways, this is not as bad as 
switching from Windows 98 to Windows 7.  But, there is a lot more 
now than there was for that switch.


Thanks for the information.

Carol


On 1/4/2018 7:41 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

It's just what we hear when nothing is focused, and it's something 
we all just have to put up with. (sigh)


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: January 4, 2018 5:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Win10 issue

Hi,

What is foreground staging (which says nothing) and how can I keep 
it from showing up and blocking everything?


Actually, it doesn't block everything unless it is the only thing 
open, grin.  It just is there and won't go away and I wish it 
would, of course, if it has a function, I don't want to get rid of 
it, I only want to get it closed.  Thanks


Carol


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Re: Win10 issue

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thank you, Tom.  This will certainly come in handy.  I have seen others 
mentioning it, but I have not had too much need to explore it yet.  I am 
working on the basics, like what happened to my Kurzweil that was here 
yesterday and still appears in my program x86 files but will not run at 
all.  Next step here is to reboot the PC and see if it comes bck.


Carol

PS  I am praying for all of you on the East Coast.  I used to live in 
Baltimore, so am accustomed to some of the noreasters that have hit in 
the past.  I do have a number of friends and relatives that still live 
out East.





On 1/4/2018 9:46 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Here's another shortcut you'll probably want in Windows 10.
Windows+I opens settings.
It's like another control panel. More and more things are being moved 
to it. You'll land in a search box. Shift+Tab up to the list box and 
arrow around through all the various headers. Then tab down.


Have fun with Windows 10. I didn't find it to be a big hurtle. But of 
course hindsight makes most things seem easier than they were.


And now with the "bomb cyclone" revving up and pounding down on me 
it's time to shut down and pull the plug before dear mother nature does.


Regards,
Tom


On 1/4/2018 9:29 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Thanks.  I did figure it out.  It only said "d" when I pressed 
winkey+d, so I thought it was not allowing me to go to the desktop.  
Anyway, thanks for the help. I just downloaded the Windows 10 Missing 
Manual. It is quite a long book, so I will be busy for a long time, 
grin.


Carol


On 1/4/2018 9:05 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Carol,
When you close all programs, or at startup, and land in this window, 
just press Windows+D to go to the desktop.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/4/2018 7:50 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Rod,

So, I guess it is like the pc losing focus?  Boy!  Do I have a lot 
to learn!


I just downloaded the Windows 10 Missing Manual to see if I can get 
some basic information.  In some ways, this is not as bad as 
switching from Windows 98 to Windows 7.  But, there is a lot more 
now than there was for that switch.


Thanks for the information.

Carol


On 1/4/2018 7:41 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

It's just what we hear when nothing is focused, and it's something 
we all just have to put up with. (sigh)


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: January 4, 2018 5:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Win10 issue

Hi,

What is foreground staging (which says nothing) and how can I keep 
it from showing up and blocking everything?


Actually, it doesn't block everything unless it is the only thing 
open, grin.  It just is there and won't go away and I wish it 
would, of course, if it has a function, I don't want to get rid of 
it, I only want to get it closed.  Thanks


Carol


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Re: Win10 issue

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks.  I did figure it out.  It only said "d" when I pressed winkey+d, 
so I thought it was not allowing me to go to the desktop.  Anyway, 
thanks for the help.  I just downloaded the Windows 10 Missing Manual.  
It is quite a long book, so I will be busy for a long time, grin.


Carol


On 1/4/2018 9:05 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Carol,
When you close all programs, or at startup, and land in this window, 
just press Windows+D to go to the desktop.

Hth,
Tom


On 1/4/2018 7:50 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Rod,

So, I guess it is like the pc losing focus?  Boy!  Do I have a lot to 
learn!


I just downloaded the Windows 10 Missing Manual to see if I can get 
some basic information.  In some ways, this is not as bad as 
switching from Windows 98 to Windows 7.  But, there is a lot more now 
than there was for that switch.


Thanks for the information.

Carol


On 1/4/2018 7:41 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

It's just what we hear when nothing is focused, and it's something 
we all just have to put up with. (sigh)


Best,

Rod

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Sent: January 4, 2018 5:47 PM
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Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Win10 issue

Hi,

What is foreground staging (which says nothing) and how can I keep 
it from showing up and blocking everything?


Actually, it doesn't block everything unless it is the only thing 
open, grin.  It just is there and won't go away and I wish it would, 
of course, if it has a function, I don't want to get rid of it, I 
only want to get it closed.  Thanks


Carol


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Re: Win10 issue

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

So, I guess it is like the pc losing focus?  Boy!  Do I have a lot to 
learn!


I just downloaded the Windows 10 Missing Manual to see if I can get some 
basic information.  In some ways, this is not as bad as switching from 
Windows 98 to Windows 7.  But, there is a lot more now than there was 
for that switch.


Thanks for the information.

Carol


On 1/4/2018 7:41 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

It's just what we hear when nothing is focused, and it's something we all just 
have to put up with. (sigh)

Best,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 4, 2018 5:47 PM
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Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Win10 issue

Hi,

What is foreground staging (which says nothing) and how can I keep it from 
showing up and blocking everything?

Actually, it doesn't block everything unless it is the only thing open, grin.  
It just is there and won't go away and I wish it would, of course, if it has a 
function, I don't want to get rid of it, I only want to get it closed.  Thanks

Carol


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Win10 issue

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi,

What is foreground staging (which says nothing) and how can I keep it 
from showing up and blocking everything?


Actually, it doesn't block everything unless it is the only thing open, 
grin.  It just is there and won't go away and I wish it would, of 
course, if it has a function, I don't want to get rid of it, I only want 
to get it closed.  Thanks


Carol


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Re: locked screen

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

OK, I found the settings and changed the sleep setting to never and the 
power button to shut down.  Thanks for the help.


Carol


On 1/2/2018 10:00 AM, Marvin Commerford via Talk wrote:
Good morning.  Hit the escape key and you'll be in a dialog where you 
can find the sign in button.  Chances are you'll be on it already.  
You can keep the machine from going to sleep by going into power 
options. It's one of the choices in the windows-x menu.  Once in power 
options you can also change things like the action of the power 
button.  I like to make sure the press of the power button performs a 
shutdown.  This is good when speech goes nuts.  Good luck.



On 1/2/2018 7:37 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Good morning,

This morning, I was met with a locked screen indicator after a short 
period of the computer sitting idle.  I am running WE with new 
Windows 10.  Sometimes, WE would say locked default, sometimes 
nothing and when the speech came back after a little wait, if I 
pressed enter, it would say unlocking, but nothing happened and there 
was still a locked screen.  eventually, I was able to get access to 
my desktop, but I have no idea how I did it.  How can I make sure the 
lock screen does not turn on?  I am the only user for this computer.  
Thanks.


Carol


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Re: locked screen

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thank you.  I will check this out.  It seems to me that I did try the 
escape key on one of attempts, but I will try that again the next time 
it happens.  If I leave it alone long enough, it will probably put 
itself to sleep.  That is another setting I might need to change.



Carol



On 1/2/2018 10:00 AM, Marvin Commerford via Talk wrote:
Good morning.  Hit the escape key and you'll be in a dialog where you 
can find the sign in button.  Chances are you'll be on it already.  
You can keep the machine from going to sleep by going into power 
options. It's one of the choices in the windows-x menu.  Once in power 
options you can also change things like the action of the power 
button.  I like to make sure the press of the power button performs a 
shutdown.  This is good when speech goes nuts.  Good luck.



On 1/2/2018 7:37 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Good morning,

This morning, I was met with a locked screen indicator after a short 
period of the computer sitting idle.  I am running WE with new 
Windows 10.  Sometimes, WE would say locked default, sometimes 
nothing and when the speech came back after a little wait, if I 
pressed enter, it would say unlocking, but nothing happened and there 
was still a locked screen.  eventually, I was able to get access to 
my desktop, but I have no idea how I did it.  How can I make sure the 
lock screen does not turn on?  I am the only user for this computer.  
Thanks.


Carol


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locked screen

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Good morning,

This morning, I was met with a locked screen indicator after a short 
period of the computer sitting idle.  I am running WE with new Windows 
10.  Sometimes, WE would say locked default, sometimes nothing and when 
the speech came back after a little wait, if I pressed enter, it would 
say unlocking, but nothing happened and there was still a locked 
screen.  eventually, I was able to get access to my desktop, but I have 
no idea how I did it.  How can I make sure the lock screen does not turn 
on?  I am the only user for this computer.  Thanks.


Carol


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Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thank you.  This is what I was looking for.  I have quite a few 
bookmarks and it makes it difficult to try to open each one separately.  
I even got my first feed established.  Wow!  The Girl is on a roll!


Thanks much,

Carol


On 1/1/2018 7:13 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

To support what Brice has already written,

Here's how to Import Firefox bookmarks from a HTML text file.
Open Firefox.
Click the Bookmarks menu, and then click Show All Bookmarks.
In the Library window, press the Alt key to open the menu bar, choose Import 
and Backup, and then click Import Bookmarks from HTML. ...
In the Import Bookmarks File window, choose the HTML file to import and then 
click Open. ...
Close the Library window.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 1, 2018 3:17 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Thank you Rod, but I spent almost two hours trying to find a way to
import and I never did.  I did not have any difficulty with the
exporting, once I knew where to do it.

Carol


On 1/1/2018 2:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Yes, I was trying to show you the menu you would need to go to in order to find 
out how to import.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 1, 2018 11:58 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Hi Rod,

I already have the exported html file.  What I need now is how to import
it to the new PC.  Thanks.

Carol


On 1/1/2018 11:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Part of what I've pasted below will help orient you to the menu you need to be 
in to import bookmarks:

Here's how to export Firefox bookmarks to a single HTML text file containing 
links corresponding to all of your Firefox bookmarks.
You would then open the exported file in the browser of your choice and look 
for the bookmark you need.
Open Firefox.
Click the Bookmarks menu, and then click Show All Bookmarks.
In the Library window, press the Alt key to open the menu bar, choose Import 
and Backup, and then click Export Bookmarks to HTML. ...
In the Export Bookmarks File window, choose where to save the file, and then 
click Save. ...
Close the Library window.

Best,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 1, 2018 9:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Hi,

I am progressing with my new PC.  I now need to know how to import my
bookmarks.  Per instructions, I saved my bookmarks from my old PC and
have them on the new computer.  I just can't figure out how to get them
installed.  Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks.  I suppose setting it for my home page would work and I could 
then establish my bookmarks as I use them.


Carol


On 1/1/2018 3:40 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
If you can't get the import to work, you can point your new browser to 
that file, since it is written in HTML. That's what I have done with 
bookmarks I saved in the Lynx browser many years ago. If you use this 
approach, it probably doesn't matter which folder contains this file 
on your Windows 10 system, as long as you can navigate to the file.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 3:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Thank you Rod, but I spent almost two hours trying to find a way to
import and I never did.  I did not have any difficulty with the
exporting, once I knew where to do it.

Carol


On 1/1/2018 2:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Yes, I was trying to show you the menu you would need to go to in 
order to find out how to import.


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: January 1, 2018 11:58 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Hi Rod,

I already have the exported html file.  What I need now is how to import
it to the new PC.  Thanks.

Carol


On 1/1/2018 11:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Part of what I've pasted below will help orient you to the menu you 
need to be in to import bookmarks:


Here's how to export Firefox bookmarks to a single HTML text file 
containing links corresponding to all of your Firefox bookmarks.
You would then open the exported file in the browser of your choice 
and look for the bookmark you need.

Open Firefox.
Click the Bookmarks menu, and then click Show All Bookmarks.
In the Library window, press the Alt key to open the menu bar, 
choose Import and Backup, and then click Export Bookmarks to HTML. ...
In the Export Bookmarks File window, choose where to save the file, 
and then click Save. ...

Close the Library window.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: January 1, 2018 9:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Hi,

I am progressing with my new PC.  I now need to know how to import my
bookmarks.  Per instructions, I saved my bookmarks from my old PC and
have them on the new computer.  I just can't figure out how to get them
installed.  Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thank you Rod, but I spent almost two hours trying to find a way to 
import and I never did.  I did not have any difficulty with the 
exporting, once I knew where to do it.


Carol


On 1/1/2018 2:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Yes, I was trying to show you the menu you would need to go to in order to find 
out how to import.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 1, 2018 11:58 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Hi Rod,

I already have the exported html file.  What I need now is how to import
it to the new PC.  Thanks.

Carol


On 1/1/2018 11:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Part of what I've pasted below will help orient you to the menu you need to be 
in to import bookmarks:

Here's how to export Firefox bookmarks to a single HTML text file containing 
links corresponding to all of your Firefox bookmarks.
You would then open the exported file in the browser of your choice and look 
for the bookmark you need.
Open Firefox.
Click the Bookmarks menu, and then click Show All Bookmarks.
In the Library window, press the Alt key to open the menu bar, choose Import 
and Backup, and then click Export Bookmarks to HTML. ...
In the Export Bookmarks File window, choose where to save the file, and then 
click Save. ...
Close the Library window.

Best,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 1, 2018 9:31 AM
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Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Hi,

I am progressing with my new PC.  I now need to know how to import my
bookmarks.  Per instructions, I saved my bookmarks from my old PC and
have them on the new computer.  I just can't figure out how to get them
installed.  Thanks for any help.

Carol


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Re: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

I already have the exported html file.  What I need now is how to import 
it to the new PC.  Thanks.


Carol


On 1/1/2018 11:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Part of what I've pasted below will help orient you to the menu you need to be 
in to import bookmarks:

Here's how to export Firefox bookmarks to a single HTML text file containing 
links corresponding to all of your Firefox bookmarks.
You would then open the exported file in the browser of your choice and look 
for the bookmark you need.
Open Firefox.
Click the Bookmarks menu, and then click Show All Bookmarks.
In the Library window, press the Alt key to open the menu bar, choose Import 
and Backup, and then click Export Bookmarks to HTML. ...
In the Export Bookmarks File window, choose where to save the file, and then 
click Save. ...
Close the Library window.

Best,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: January 1, 2018 9:31 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: transerring bookmarks to Firefox

Hi,

I am progressing with my new PC.  I now need to know how to import my
bookmarks.  Per instructions, I saved my bookmarks from my old PC and
have them on the new computer.  I just can't figure out how to get them
installed.  Thanks for any help.

Carol


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I forgot some information

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

I am now using my Windows 10 and Firefox version 52.

Carol


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transerring bookmarks to Firefox

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi,

I am progressing with my new PC.  I now need to know how to import my 
bookmarks.  Per instructions, I saved my bookmarks from my old PC and 
have them on the new computer.  I just can't figure out how to get them 
installed.  Thanks for any help.


Carol


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Re: USB headphones with microphone

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Rod,

I believe this is what runs my mouse and keyboard.In my case, it looks 
like a small thumb drive.  I am using my old keyboard with my new 
computer.  The keyboard is wireless.  The original mouse is also 
wireless and connects to the same dongle.  It does not, however, work on 
the new PC.  I do have a new wired mouse if anyone needs to use it.


Carol


On 12/30/2017 8:02 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

It is a tiny dongle which fits into a USB port and very little sticks out, and 
it is a Bluetooth transmitter/receiver, also known as a Bluetooth antenna.
In this case, the word nano itself just means small.
Some Bluetooth dongles are directly paired with a single headset, and so are 
called dedicated Bluetooth dongles, whereas others are like the ones on cell 
phones or tablets, like iPhones, iPads, or iPods, with which many Bluetooth 
devices can be paired.

Best,

Rod

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Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: USB headphones with microphone

Hi Olusegun,

What is a nano-USB?  I assume there is a USB cable that goes from the
headset to the USB port.  How long is the cable?  You mentioned
BlueTooth.  Does that connect with the computer, or is that for
connecting with other BlueTooth items?  Thanks.

Carol


On 12/29/2017 10:13 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via
Talk wrote:

David, I am a happy camper with Logitech's H800 headset with microphone.  It
comes with a nano-USB plug.  Plug this into a USB port on your computer and
forget it.  Battery lasts about six hours; it can be used whilst charging.
Battery is replaceable.  I have had mine for well over five years, no
regrets.  In fact, I have not had to replace its battery in this period of
time.  If I do, I shall take it to the trusty Batteries Plus here in my
village, I find the company to be extremely reliable on anything battery
related.

The headset also supports bluetooth; however, I didn't set it up for
bluetooth usage because I don't want to deal with having to type in a pare
code.  I have other bluetooth headsets that DO NOT require paring codes,
they just fine their stack on my computer or smartphone, I tap on PARE and
the business is done.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: USB headphones with microphone

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Olusegun,

What is a nano-USB?  I assume there is a USB cable that goes from the 
headset to the USB port.  How long is the cable?  You mentioned 
BlueTooth.  Does that connect with the computer, or is that for 
connecting with other BlueTooth items?  Thanks.


Carol


On 12/29/2017 10:13 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via 
Talk wrote:

David, I am a happy camper with Logitech's H800 headset with microphone.  It
comes with a nano-USB plug.  Plug this into a USB port on your computer and
forget it.  Battery lasts about six hours; it can be used whilst charging.
Battery is replaceable.  I have had mine for well over five years, no
regrets.  In fact, I have not had to replace its battery in this period of
time.  If I do, I shall take it to the trusty Batteries Plus here in my
village, I find the company to be extremely reliable on anything battery
related.

   The headset also supports bluetooth; however, I didn't set it up for
bluetooth usage because I don't want to deal with having to type in a pare
code.  I have other bluetooth headsets that DO NOT require paring codes,
they just fine their stack on my computer or smartphone, I tap on PARE and
the business is done.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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USB headphones with microphone

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi,

I am looking for a headset that works nicely with Windows 10 that can be 
used with screen readers and has a good microphone for dictation.  I 
would like one that fits over the head, but I do not like ones that have 
the large cups that cover the entire ear.  It would be nice if it had a 
control on it so I could mute it when not in use.  I want something that 
is durable.  I absolutely can not tolerate those that fit behind the 
head.  Thank you for any suggestions.


Carol


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Re: CHRISTMAS!

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi BJ,

The Fire tablet comes with VoiceView.  My only problem with it is trying 
to type in edit boxes.  You can use a USB keyboard with a little USB 
dongle, which I purchased from Amazon for around $5. BlueTooth keyboards 
work also.  If you can't do something with the keyboard, you can do the 
gesture on the tablet.  There are lots of things that can be done.


Carol


On 12/26/2017 7:11 PM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

You have got me interested in the Amazon fire tablet. I just bought 
one for my friend for Christmas.


I have no idea but does it have speech built in or is Google speech 
capable of being installed on it?


I too am like you and will use window-eyes till I can't use it any 
more. I have dabble with jws but find it slow and cumbersome.lol


Christmas Wishes, Bj

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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 4:39 PM
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: "Carol and Roger" <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!

Yes, I also love my Alexa.  I also have a Fire tablet, which has 
Alexa on it.  When I got my tablet, I was tryig to set up my email 
and was shocked to see over 400 contacts, over 300 of which I had not 
contacted either more than once or had not contacted since 2014.  
There was a delete all button, but it just took me by surprise.  Yes, 
they already have more information about us than anyone has guessed.


As for the Win10, with a microphone, I believe Coortana or ever how 
you spell it, will be doing a lot more, also.  I still like 
Window-Eyes, but know that eventually, Microsoft will update us 
completely out of it. Meanwhile, I will use it as long as I can. I do 
practice with jaws, but am a die hard WE user.


Take care,

Carol


On 12/26/2017 8:49 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I'm still using windows 7 and Firefox. I installed the extended 
edition and it works for me. It is slow though. I had my other pc 
refurbished and they put windows 10 on it. I use a program called 
Reaper for multi track recording and there is a conflict in windows 
10. I have to get windows 7 back on it.lol


I will give it a try before Isend it back.lol

I'm a bit like my African grey parrot. Slow to accept new things. I 
think if it works don't fix it.lol Good luck with windows 10. I was 
chatting to a friend and I think that technology is moving towards 
voice activation. Have you any thoughts on it? Like this Amazon 
Alexi. Think that's what it's called. Some of my blind friends love 
it. I'm not sure about it yet. At the moment I think it is too 
invasive.


Christmas Greetings, BJ

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From: "Carol and Roger via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 12:18 PM
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: "Carol and Roger" <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!

Yes, Thank you.  I now have a very new and quite a bit daunting 
computer with Windows 10.  I have installed Window-Eyes on it and 
am going to start moving files over this week.  I am a bit behind 
on things like ribbons, so it is taking a little longer for me to 
get my head wrapped around things. Funny, but the old PC seems to 
be running a bit better, except, of course, the browsers, grin.  I 
suppose I would get more familiar with the new one if I would just 
stop using the other one. Take care.


Carol


On 12/26/2017 5:52 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Thank you for your kind thoughts. I hope you too are well? Not 
doing great but have a battle to face in the new year. I will get 
through it though and come out the other side smiling.


I'm still enjoying Christmas and like most over ate.lol

Hope Santa was good to you as well.

Christmas Wishes, BJ

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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 1:07 AM
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: "Carol and Roger" <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!


Hey BJ,

It's been a long time.  Merry Christmas.  Hope you are well and 
wish you a great New Year.


Carol

For the rest of us that are still celebraring, enjoy the rest of 
your Christmas.


Carol



On 12/25/2017 6:40 PM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
Merry Christmas to everyone. I hope their is a light that shines 
in everyones home today. The light of peace, friendship and love.


Christmas
Wishes John

-Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 10:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!

And a blessed Christmas to you also.

Norene



-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Tal

Re: CHRISTMAS!

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Yes, I also love my Alexa.  I also have a Fire tablet, which has Alexa 
on it.  When I got my tablet, I was tryig to set up my email and was 
shocked to see over 400 contacts, over 300 of which I had not contacted 
either more than once or had not contacted since 2014.  There was a 
delete all button, but it just took me by surprise.  Yes, they already 
have more information about us than anyone has guessed.


As for the Win10, with a microphone, I believe Coortana or ever how you 
spell it, will be doing a lot more, also.  I still like Window-Eyes, but 
know that eventually, Microsoft will update us completely out of it.  
Meanwhile, I will use it as long as I can. I do practice with jaws, but 
am a die hard WE user.


Take care,

Carol


On 12/26/2017 8:49 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I'm still using windows 7 and Firefox. I installed the extended 
edition and it works for me. It is slow though. I had my other pc 
refurbished and they put windows 10 on it. I use a program called 
Reaper for multi track recording and there is a conflict in windows 
10. I have to get windows 7 back on it.lol


I will give it a try before Isend it back.lol

I'm a bit like my African grey parrot. Slow to accept new things. I 
think if it works don't fix it.lol Good luck with windows 10. I was 
chatting to a friend and I think that technology is moving towards 
voice activation. Have you any thoughts on it? Like this Amazon Alexi. 
Think that's what it's called. Some of my blind friends love it. I'm 
not sure about it yet. At the moment I think it is too invasive.


Christmas Greetings, BJ

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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 12:18 PM
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: "Carol and Roger" <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!

Yes, Thank you.  I now have a very new and quite a bit daunting 
computer with Windows 10.  I have installed Window-Eyes on it and am 
going to start moving files over this week.  I am a bit behind on 
things like ribbons, so it is taking a little longer for me to get my 
head wrapped around things. Funny, but the old PC seems to be running 
a bit better, except, of course, the browsers, grin.  I suppose I 
would get more familiar with the new one if I would just stop using 
the other one.  Take care.


Carol


On 12/26/2017 5:52 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Thank you for your kind thoughts. I hope you too are well? Not doing 
great but have a battle to face in the new year. I will get through 
it though and come out the other side smiling.


I'm still enjoying Christmas and like most over ate.lol

Hope Santa was good to you as well.

Christmas Wishes, BJ

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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 1:07 AM
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: "Carol and Roger" <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!


Hey BJ,

It's been a long time.  Merry Christmas.  Hope you are well and 
wish you a great New Year.


Carol

For the rest of us that are still celebraring, enjoy the rest of 
your Christmas.


Carol



On 12/25/2017 6:40 PM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
Merry Christmas to everyone. I hope their is a light that shines 
in everyones home today. The light of peace, friendship and love.


Christmas
Wishes John

-Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 10:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!

And a blessed Christmas to you also.

Norene



-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: CHRISTMAS!

We wish you and yours a very Merry and joyful Christmas,

and a very Happy, peaceful  and prosperous New Year!



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Re: CHRISTMAS!

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Yes, Thank you.  I now have a very new and quite a bit daunting computer 
with Windows 10.  I have installed Window-Eyes on it and am going to 
start moving files over this week.  I am a bit behind on things like 
ribbons, so it is taking a little longer for me to get my head wrapped 
around things.  Funny, but the old PC seems to be running a bit better, 
except, of course, the browsers, grin.  I suppose I would get more 
familiar with the new one if I would just stop using the other one.  
Take care.


Carol


On 12/26/2017 5:52 AM, bj colt via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Thank you for your kind thoughts. I hope you too are well? Not doing 
great but have a battle to face in the new year. I will get through it 
though and come out the other side smiling.


I'm still enjoying Christmas and like most over ate.lol

Hope Santa was good to you as well.

Christmas Wishes, BJ

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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 1:07 AM
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: "Carol and Roger" <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!


Hey BJ,

It's been a long time.  Merry Christmas.  Hope you are well and wish 
you a great New Year.


Carol

For the rest of us that are still celebraring, enjoy the rest of your 
Christmas.


Carol



On 12/25/2017 6:40 PM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
Merry Christmas to everyone. I hope their is a light that shines in 
everyones home today. The light of peace, friendship and love.


Christmas
Wishes John

-Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 10:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!

And a blessed Christmas to you also.

Norene



-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:57 PM
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Subject: CHRISTMAS!

We wish you and yours a very Merry and joyful Christmas,

and a very Happy, peaceful  and prosperous New Year!



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Re: CHRISTMAS!

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hey BJ,

It's been a long time.  Merry Christmas.  Hope you are well and wish you 
a great New Year.


Carol

For the rest of us that are still celebraring, enjoy the rest of your 
Christmas.


Carol



On 12/25/2017 6:40 PM, bj colt via Talk wrote:
Merry Christmas to everyone. I hope their is a light that shines in 
everyones home today. The light of peace, friendship and love.


Christmas
Wishes John

-Original Message- From: Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 10:41 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Norene Trappa
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS!

And a blessed Christmas to you also.

Norene



-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:57 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: CHRISTMAS!

We wish you and yours a very Merry and joyful Christmas,

and a very Happy, peaceful  and prosperous New Year!



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Re: viewing downloads after entering ctrlj

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Richard,

I am only making a guess here as I don't currently have anything 
downloading to check with.  I didn't see which browser you are using, 
but here are a few suggestions:


control+j works in at least two browsers.  I remember that one, if not 
both, will open in a separate window, so it might be that you will need 
to alt-tab to get to the downloads screen.  Once there, tab through the 
different screens until you find one that says something like list view 
or view files.  From there, you should be able to see what is or has 
reecently downloaded.  There should be a link or button that will also 
take you directly to your downloads folder, with either the namd of 
downloads or, with the name of the assigned file you named for all 
downloads, if you changed it in your browser.  The control+j is strictly 
a window to show progress.


Carol


On 12/24/2017 10:53 PM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote:

how do view downloads aftering ctrlj? how do you read them/?

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Re: Stop Windows from Saying "Checked" in Many List Views in Windows 7

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Tom,

I don't know if this will help, but try the following:

Open Windows Explorer
Go to tools, folder options
shift tab to general and right arrow to view
tab until you get to advanced
Press the letter u to check or unckeck
selected items.  You want this off.
tab to the ok button and press enter.

This should take away your checkboxes for selected items.

Merry Christmas!

Carol


On 12/23/2017 10:15 AM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:

When I am in Windows Media Player, every song I move to says “checked.” This 
keeps me from knowing which song is playing unless I recognize it. Windows also 
does this in Advanced Options of Control Panel under the Advanced tab.
Every item says “checked.” I know there is a way to do this, but I forgotten 
how. Thanks for amy help.
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Re: DVD Ripping

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Tom,

Can you write me off list?  I need more information.

Carol

carollablady at aol.com

On 12/19/2017 4:55 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:

Does anyone know of good DVD ripping software? I am using Windows 7.
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Re: Can't Access CD/DVD Drive inWindows Explorer

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Hi Tom,

You might try pressing the shift key with the context key to bring up 
more options.  They, see if you can find something like explore files or 
possibly press enter on the open link.  If the cd you are trying to open 
is an audio cd, you will only see .cda files, and they will not tell you 
much at all.


Carol


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I am using Windows 7 64-Bit Pro. Files will play and execute on the drive. 
However, when I try to go into Windows Explorer, I get the message that Windows 
can’t access the file and that I may not have the permissions necessary. While I 
haven’t done this for a while, I am sure it worked in the past. How can I fix 
this?>
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Win10 and WE

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi,

My first question is a bit trivial.  In My Computer, I could arrow or 
tab to see the size of the disk and how much space was left. Is there a 
way to do this in Win10?


Also, Is there a way to get Win10 to behave more like Win7?  I keep 
getting bogged down in the recent folder and favorites and all I want to 
do is have things back like they used to be, grin. I know things will be 
different, but for now, it seems like there are way too many levels and 
to get where I want to be, I sometimes fine myself in level 5 or 6.  Can 
anyone give me any quick fixes to get myself organized?  Thanks lots.


Carol


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Re: app problems

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Here is a link where you can download the TB app.  It is version 0.7 or 
something like that.  As far as I know, it is the only version.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ga51hj2avjklup/thunderbird0.7.wepm?dl=0

Carol

P.S. Please let me when you have downloaded it.  Thanks.


On 12/17/2017 9:35 AM, Mike via Talk wrote:

Hello


I have just got a new machine but can't downloadf either of the apps 
for Thunderbird.Are the apps still available via "app get"?



With thanks in advance


Mike.

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Re: One more question

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Yes, I did understand that the setup file is the actual entire folder.  
Thanks.


Carol


On 12/13/2017 8:40 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

The file setup.exe is in the root folder of the installation CD or the folder 
which contains the complete CD if you requested a download zip file.
I simply checked the date of setup.exe since you wanted a date to check if you 
had the correct version.
So, to be clear, you need the complete folder in order to install Window-Eyes, 
whether you're installing from the CD or an unzipped folder.

Hth,

Rod

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Thanks Rod.  I am fairly lost with Win10 and having to learn Narrator at the 
same time is just not working for me.  I will try the install soon.
Do I need anything else besides the setup file?  I do have my serial number, so 
that is not a problem.

Carol


On 12/13/2017 12:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Yes, setup.exe has a date modified of 1/11/17.

Best,

Rod

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Subject: One more question

I want to install WE.  I have a vversion 9.5.4 which was dated January
of this year.  Is this the one I need?  Are there any other files I
need?  Thanks.

Carol

they sent me on my drive.
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Re: One more question

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks Rod.  I am fairly lost with Win10 and having to learn Narrator at 
the same time is just not working for me.  I will try the install soon.  
Do I need anything else besides the setup file?  I do have my serial 
number, so that is not a problem.


Carol


On 12/13/2017 12:53 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Yes, setup.exe has a date modified of 1/11/17.

Best,

Rod

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Subject: One more question

I want to install WE.  I have a vversion 9.5.4 which was dated January
of this year.  Is this the one I need?  Are there any other files I
need?  Thanks.

Carol

they sent me on my drive.
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Re: Now for a new challenge?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Well, at this point, I don't know if there is one installed.  I did not 
take the option from macafey.  I plan to use Defender once I can move 
around a little in Win10.  It did show me the files on the drive, 
though.  Maybe I can play around a bit more this evening.


Carol


On 12/13/2017 12:44 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

I'm wondering if your antivirus software has blocked the external drive.
I've never used anything except Windows built-in antivirus software, Windows 
Defender, and so have not had any trouble with external drives.

Best,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
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Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: Now for a new challenge?

Thanks.  I will give that a try the next time I have the PC turned on.
Right now, I am sharing monitor cable and power cord. Since I need this
one more, I can only do a little at a time with the other one.  Small
steps --little time, grin.

Carol


On 12/13/2017 11:10 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Carol,

If you arrowed to the file, it may already have been selected.  I wonder if
Narrator may be incorrectly reporting the selection.  What happens if you
arrow to the file you want, do not press PSACE, do the CONTROL-C and paste?
I don't know if one can assume anything if Narrator remains silent when you
press CONTROL-C.

Best regards,

Steve

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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:36 AM
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Subject: Re: Now for a new challenge?

Honest, I wouldn't joke about this one, grin.  I tried to copy and paste
a file to my new computer from an external drive.  I selected the by
pressing spacebar.  Narrator said selected.  I did ctrl-c and Narrator
said nothing.  OK, I thought maybe I didn't do it correctly.  So, I
deselected the file and did the same thing. Thinking it may just not
speak, I pasted it to the new drive. Nothing happened.  I looked for the
edit commands and did not find them.  So, where do they hide?

Carol

On 12/13/2017 9:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V all work, as do the normal selection methods,

the only problem being Narrator's abysmal lack of verbosity.

Best,

Rod

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Subject: Now for a new challenge?

OK, I have most of my files from my old PC on my external drive.  I tried

to copy one last night to the Win10 pc.  It still is using Narrator.  I
tried using control-c to copy the file, but it would not copy.  Also, I
could not find it on the ribbon. Where does one find editing commands?
Thanks.

Carol


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One more question

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

I want to install WE.  I have a vversion 9.5.4 which was dated January 
of this year.  Is this the one I need?  Are there any other files I 
need?  Thanks.


Carol

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Re: Now for a new challenge?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks.  I will give that a try the next time I have the PC turned on.  
Right now, I am sharing monitor cable and power cord. Since I need this 
one more, I can only do a little at a time with the other one.  Small 
steps --little time, grin.


Carol


On 12/13/2017 11:10 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Carol,

If you arrowed to the file, it may already have been selected.  I wonder if
Narrator may be incorrectly reporting the selection.  What happens if you
arrow to the file you want, do not press PSACE, do the CONTROL-C and paste?
I don't know if one can assume anything if Narrator remains silent when you
press CONTROL-C.

Best regards,

Steve

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[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:36 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: Now for a new challenge?

Honest, I wouldn't joke about this one, grin.  I tried to copy and paste
a file to my new computer from an external drive.  I selected the by
pressing spacebar.  Narrator said selected.  I did ctrl-c and Narrator
said nothing.  OK, I thought maybe I didn't do it correctly.  So, I
deselected the file and did the same thing. Thinking it may just not
speak, I pasted it to the new drive. Nothing happened.  I looked for the
edit commands and did not find them.  So, where do they hide?

Carol

On 12/13/2017 9:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V all work, as do the normal selection methods,

the only problem being Narrator's abysmal lack of verbosity.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk

[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: December 13, 2017 7:26 AM
To: talk >> Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Now for a new challenge?

OK, I have most of my files from my old PC on my external drive.  I tried

to copy one last night to the Win10 pc.  It still is using Narrator.  I
tried using control-c to copy the file, but it would not copy.  Also, I
could not find it on the ribbon. Where does one find editing commands?
Thanks.

Carol


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Re: Now for a new challenge?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Honest, I wouldn't joke about this one, grin.  I tried to copy and paste 
a file to my new computer from an external drive.  I selected the by 
pressing spacebar.  Narrator said selected.  I did ctrl-c and Narrator 
said nothing.  OK, I thought maybe I didn't do it correctly.  So, I 
deselected the file and did the same thing. Thinking it may just not 
speak, I pasted it to the new drive. Nothing happened.  I looked for the 
edit commands and did not find them.  So, where do they hide?


Carol

On 12/13/2017 9:31 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V all work, as do the normal selection methods, the 
only problem being Narrator's abysmal lack of verbosity.

Best,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: December 13, 2017 7:26 AM
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Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Now for a new challenge?

OK, I have most of my files from my old PC on my external drive.  I tried to 
copy one last night to the Win10 pc.  It still is using Narrator.  I tried 
using control-c to copy the file, but it would not copy.  Also, I could not 
find it on the ribbon. Where does one find editing commands?  Thanks.

Carol


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Now for a new challenge?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

OK, I have most of my files from my old PC on my external drive.  I 
tried to copy one last night to the Win10 pc.  It still is using 
Narrator.  I tried using control-c to copy the file, but it would not 
copy.  Also, I could not find it on the ribbon. Where does one find 
editing commands?  Thanks.


Carol


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tb files

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Hi,
\
I now have my new computer.  I wonder if anyone can tell me how to 
backup all of my folders and email messages so I can move them.  I made 
a csv backup file for all of my contacts.  If I move my email messages, 
am I restricted to use TB or would I be able to use Microsoft Mail?  
Also, which would be better for me to use? Thanks.


Carol


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Re: re WE and Win10

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Yes, I understand.  I was on  the phone with him last night when he had 
the problem.  He did restart and tried both WE and jaws.


I walked him through a couple of things this morning and it is now 
repaired.  One thing that happened this morning was that his synth was 
changed from DecTalk Access to Eloquence.  I walked him through that one 
and made sure he had only one screen reader running on startup.  All now 
seems to be working.  Thanks.


Carol

On 12/12/2017 9:11 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,

Windows 10, current version, is running fine for me.
I can't imagine any update preventing Alt-tabbing between open apps.
I've seen the need to restart WE when focus issues, of which Alt-tab is one, 
occur.

Best,

Rod

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Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: re WE and Win10

My brother told me that he had new updates yesterday which now prevent
him from using alt-tab.  Is there a work-around for this? Thanks.

Carol


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re WE and Win10

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

My brother told me that he had new updates yesterday which now prevent 
him from using alt-tab.  Is there a work-around for this? Thanks.


Carol


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Re: No mouse speech with win 7

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Yep, similar experience.  The physical mouse only speaks the top and 
bottom line of the screen, skipping everything else.  The mouse keys 
only read the title bar.  Sorry I can't help, but can only confirm.  
This has been happening for a month or two.


Carol


On 12/8/2017 12:48 PM, Jim Elsner via Talk wrote:

My system win 7 home premium we 9.5.4.
Today I can't get my mouse to read anything on the screen.  It jumps 
to the top or bottom with the numpad 1 and 7 keys however with the 8 
and 2 keys no speech.  Have looked through the mouse setting in the 
control panel but don't see the problem.  Have restarted we several 
times as well.

Please advise.
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Re: need new computer

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi,

Thank you for the information, but I already made my purchase.

Carol


On 11/27/2017 9:20 PM, mcleod stinnett via Talk wrote:

carol, you may want to join the bst list. go to groups.io anddo a
search for bst you will find one result. there is a gentleman named
kevin who buys off lease government computers and puts new hard drive
in and they sell for between $75 and $200 his title is k.sales you can
talk to him by phone. I have one of  his units win 7 64 bit 500 gb
hard drive.
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Re: need new PC recommendations

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

models.


OK, lot of this info is not fully relevant, if you are looking at desktop
models. They are often more upgradable, and will be less affected by things
like the function key issue.


As I am still hanging on to my Win7, I am not in a position to answer fully
your questions around Office. But I would have thought Office 2007 might
still be valid under Win10. A quick search on the net, might be a good lane
to go. Why not search for something like:

 running MSOffice under Win10

, and see what feedback people have on the matter. Even 10-15 minutes of
quick reading, might give you a pretty good feeling on how smoothly people
have found the experience.


As computers now aday are quite varying, if you have the time and chance,
going to a store and get hands-on feeling with a couple of models, might be
worth the trip. Even if you don't intend to buy from the store, do your
research, make up your mind, and then go home and order over the net.
Shipping a computer back and forth because you ended up with a bad product,
might likely cost you more than the trip to the store.


My impression is that HP due tend to show up several issues these days.
Dell - and I hear some users saying Linovo - might be products to look for.
But like you said, it is all a matter of personal choice. Just don't let
them fool you with all the GREAT technical terms, and specs. They do tell
little, should the computer happen to be a bad build.


Lastly, my experience is that half the result you will get, is depending on
what store you get the computer from. Reliable, well-reputed stores might be
a bit more expensive, but often offers you a computer that simply just runs.

And they often tend to have a better customer service program. Don't be
fooled to think your new computer might not have any issues. OK, such could
likely happen to be the case, and lucky you. But poor you, should the
computer happen to be a trouble-maker, and you picked it up just because the
store had the best price. Sad Smiles.


Long answer, and I am afraid it did not exactly take you much closer. Other
listers may have better and more up-to-date feedback on the matter. Just
wanted to share a few of my experiences.


David

On 11/24/2017 3:00 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC.  I am looking for suggestions for one that will meet
the best use criteria for speech.  Is 8g ram enough or should I get 12?
Should I get both SSD and SETA frives?  If I neeed SSD, how large should it
be?  Generally, which would be the best brand?  I know this is a personal
choice.  I have had Dells for the last two computers and am wondering if
something else would be better.  I have Office 2007.  Can I use 2007 on a
win10 system or Should I get 2016?  My current PC is almost 8 years old and
is beginning to do some wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of
getting a new one before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it.  I know I do
not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred, a decent laptop or
another desktop.  Thanks for any suggestions.  Oh yes, I would like to get
one on sale today, grin.

Carol
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Re: need new PC recommendations

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thanks Michael,

Yes, it looks like I am most likely heading for another desktop. I will 
neeed to do a bit of looking around to find just what I want.  I am 
making a list of people's recommendations to have available once I start 
my shopping.  It's silly, but i want to make sure I have a working 
microphone, grin.  It is tough to join in with webinars and SKYPE and 
other things without one.  I still use my CD/DVD burner, so I will need 
one of those, also.  These are little minor things I don't want to 
forget.  I figure a 256g SSD should work well with at least 8g ram.  I 
want enough USB ports so I can hook up more than two items and I want 
them where I can reach them, not where I have to climb under my desk, 
grin.  I am thankful to all of the people that have given me ideas today.


Carol



On 11/24/2017 1:56 PM, Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk wrote:

Hi,

My suggestion is this,
In case of a desktop:
As a drive go for an SSD of at least120 specifically for the operating system 
then add an another sata drive of about 1 or 2 terrabyte for the other  
Regarding RAM nowadays this is quite cheap, so go for between 12 or 16GB so in 
the future you avoid to upgrade the ram.

In case of a laptop
As a hard-disk go for 1TB SSD with 12 or 16 GB RAM, I bout my laptop for about 
€1,000with these mentioned specifications and windows 10 operating system.
One another thing regarding Video ram go for a dedicated one and do not relay 
totally on those  on board video rams.
Thanks,

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 3:00 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: need new PC recommendations

Hi,

I must get a new PC.  I am looking for suggestions for one that will meet the 
best use criteria for speech.  Is 8g ram enough or should I get 12?  Should I 
get both SSD and SETA frives?  If I neeed SSD, how large should it be?  
Generally, which would be the best brand?  I know this is a personal choice.  I 
have had Dells for the last two computers and am wondering if something else 
would be better.  I have Office 2007.  Can I use 2007 on a win10 system or 
Should I get 2016?  My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do 
some wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of getting a new one 
before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it.  I know I do 
not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred, a decent laptop or another 
desktop.  Thanks for any suggestions.  Oh yes, I would like to get one on sale 
today, grin.

Carol
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Re: need new PC recommendations

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

 be worth the 
trip. Even if you don't intend to buy from the store, do your research, make up 
your mind, and then go home and order over the net. Shipping a computer back 
and forth because you ended up with a bad product, might likely cost you more 
than the trip to the store.


My impression is that HP due tend to show up several issues these days. Dell - 
and I hear some users saying Linovo - might be products to look for. But like 
you said, it is all a matter of personal choice. Just don't let them fool you 
with all the GREAT technical terms, and specs. They do tell little, should the 
computer happen to be a bad build.


Lastly, my experience is that half the result you will get, is depending on 
what store you get the computer from. Reliable, well-reputed stores might be a 
bit more expensive, but often offers you a computer that simply just runs. And 
they often tend to have a better customer service program. Don't be fooled to 
think your new computer might not have any issues. OK, such could likely happen 
to be the case, and lucky you. But poor you, should the computer happen to be a 
trouble-maker, and you picked it up just because the store had the best price. 
Sad Smiles.


Long answer, and I am afraid it did not exactly take you much closer. Other 
listers may have better and more up-to-date feedback on the matter. Just wanted 
to share a few of my experiences.


David

On 11/24/2017 3:00 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
Hi,

I must get a new PC.  I am looking for suggestions for one that will meet the 
best use criteria for speech.  Is 8g ram enough or should I get 12?  Should I 
get both SSD and SETA frives?  If I neeed SSD, how large should it be?  
Generally, which would be the best brand?  I know this is a personal choice.  I 
have had Dells for the last two computers and am wondering if something else 
would be better.  I have Office 2007.  Can I use 2007 on a win10 system or 
Should I get 2016?  My current PC is almost 8 years old and is beginning to do 
some wierd stuff, so I thought I had better take care of getting a new one 
before this one gives up.

Finally, does anyone use a hybred and what do they think of it.  I know I do 
not want a notebook, so it must be either a hybred, a decent laptop or another 
desktop.  Thanks for any suggestions.  Oh yes, I would like to get one on sale 
today, grin.

Carol
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