Re: window-eyes in safe mode

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The other thing Microsoft needs to do is, put back the shutdown sound in 
windows 10.


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 9:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: window-eyes in safe mode

when in the w e control panel open the apps tab notice that all of the apps 
in

the list say they have a pull down.
when you find the windows enhanced it will say pull down. right arrow on it 
and
the sub menus will open. one is toast booloons and run in safe mode. 
pressenter
on run in safe mode to check it. the menu will close. if you want to check 
it
to make sure its been selected open it again and it will say run in safe 
mode

will say it has been checked.
even so it also depends on what sound card you are useing. my motherboard 
has a

realtek sound card built in and it does work in safe mode and windows 7. i
don't know about win 10. the safe mode for win10 is useless as far as i am
concerned.
how do you boot into safe mode if win10 will not boot? wake up microsoft.
f8 with win10 is disabled. there is a way to re activate the f8 startup keys
but it doesn't allways work and you need a usb headphone or speakers to get 
the

narrator speech to work.

-Original Message- 
From: Donald L. Roberts via Talk

Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 3:12 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Donald L. Roberts
Subject: Re: window-eyes in safe mode

Please pardon a stupid question. I do have windows enhanced on my
Windows 10 system. In Netbat's message, he refers to a dropdown list.
Specifically, where do I find this dropdown list? The only list I see is
the list of installed apps.


Thanks.


Don Roberts


On 7/19/2019 6:27 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

what windows version?
first you have to  look in the w e control panel in the apps tab. arrow up 
once to get to the windows enhanced. if you have it in the list open the 
drop down menu and check run in safe mode.


if windows 7 you press f8 while its booting. then arrow down once and 
press enter. there is no speech for these menus.
windows 10 you have to find the option to boot in safe mode from the 
windows settings somewher. and reboot. after you uninstall the program you 
have to go back to the settings to turn off the boot in safe mode and 
reboot.

-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 4:57 PM
To: Rod Hutton via Talk
Cc: Butch Bussen
Subject: window-eyes in safe mode

I was trying to install some drivers today from a cd and it installed
avast, which doesn't talk and I can't remove it.  I was thinking there was
a way to use we in safe mode, and I'm not sure how I get there. Is it f 7
or f 8, I don't recall.  Any help appreciated.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It's after one of the windows feature updates, I ran into a problem with 
editing messages in wlm.


-Original Message- 
From: net bat2 via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 10:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat2
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

so far i have no problems useing w e with wlm on windows 7 or 10. maybe the 
w e

wlm app that you need is not running and needs to be reinstalled?

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 6:19 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

I had to stop using window eyes a while back.
It wouldn't work very well with wlm any more.
Support for internet explorer ends at the end of this year.
I started using firefox as a replacement.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:00 PM
To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

Hi Don,

I have no idea what's happening. I've been running Windows 10 and have
the latest updates and have never seen this problem with the GW toolkit.
Lots of things depend on it. So I'd know it if I missed the notification.
One thing you might want to do is go through your installed apps and
uninstall any you don't use. There are some installed by default that I
never use. So they just add to the stack at startup.

Good luck,
Tom


On 5/14/2019 1:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 1809 
and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 works well 
with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I get an error when 
the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the restart app choice, no 
error message is received.  Does anyone know what is happening here?



Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.


Don Roberts


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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I had to stop using window eyes a while back.
It wouldn't work very well with wlm any more.
Support for internet explorer ends at the end of this year.
I started using firefox as a replacement.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:00 PM
To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

Hi Don,

I have no idea what's happening. I've been running Windows 10 and have
the latest updates and have never seen this problem with the GW toolkit.
Lots of things depend on it. So I'd know it if I missed the notification.
One thing you might want to do is go through your installed apps and
uninstall any you don't use. There are some installed by default that I
never use. So they just add to the stack at startup.

Good luck,
Tom


On 5/14/2019 1:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 1809 
and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 works well 
with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I get an error when 
the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the restart app choice, no 
error message is received.  Does anyone know what is happening here?



Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.


Don Roberts


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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I wished you still could get dectalk for jaws?

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 1:14 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

I never liked eloquence.  I use dec-talk.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:10 PM
To: Evan Reese via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

That's my take on it too.


I am also a Winamp user, and figure that neither JAWS or NVDA will ever
be able to work with it as well.


I am also a subscriber to Bookshare, and find that IE will work with
their DAISY formatted books quite adaquitly.


The last, but not least thing I also have to consider is Eloquence,
still my favorite speech voice. IE though is really becoming a bit
problematic on more and more pages, so I am going to have to do
something soon I'm afraid.


I don't really want to go the Code Factory rout  due to their validation
scheme, and if I reluctantly move to JAWS, that will be one hassle I
wont have to face.


Oh the joys of blindness.


On 5/14/2019 1:20 PM, Evan Reese via Talk wrote:

I've already had to do it.
My Window Eyes will absolutely not work with Skype anymore, and it won't 
work with Firefox either.
But I still use WE whenever I can, for instance I'm using it now to write 
this. It works great with Windows Live Mail, and it works better with 
Winamp, my main audio player, than JAWS probably ever will.

I'll use it as long as I possibly can for whatever I can.
Evan

-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:05 PM
To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

Don,  With all the authority and credibility of a non expert on this
matter, I fear that what this means is that some of our apps may no
longer function so well.


I guess if I don't bend, I will break. Meaning that I might have too,
but totally against my will, be forced to buy a subscription to Jaws.
Man, is that gona hurt something awful.

On 5/14/2019 12:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 1809 
and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 works well 
with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I get an error 
when the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the restart app 
choice, no error message is received. Does anyone know what is happening 
here?



Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.


Don Roberts


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Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I received the 1809 update last week on two computers I own.

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Higgins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 12:26 PM
To: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

Oh well, I wasn't that lucky. my last paid version was way too old when
that offer was given.


I'm now using a copy some  one was kind enough to give me after WE
reached end of life, otherwise, I would be in a real pickle.


I used WE for Office for a year or so, due to lack of funds, but my
wife's teacher license for office expired leaving me with another dead
product. No two is more like it because WE for Office would no  longer
work either.


I'm just going to have to spring for a techno upgrade. Also need
 to replace my graphics card because the one I was using seased to
function with the 1803 feature upgrade. Need to amend that as well. I
haven't yet received the 1809 upgrade, and that was released last
September, if I remember correctly. Think I'd better finally get my arse
in gear and call the MS Accessibility folks and finally solve the
mystery as to why this has taken so long. It might have something to do
with the graphics card, but that is anybody's guess.


On 5/14/2019 1:39 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Larry,

Because I owned WE, and had 2 SMAs, I was able to get Jaws for free.

-Bob
r...@ringwald.com


-Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 11:05 AM
To: Donald L. Roberts via Talk
Cc: Larry Higgins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and W10 1809

Don,  With all the authority and credibility of a non expert on this
matter, I fear that what this means is that some of our apps may no
longer function so well.


I guess if I don't bend, I will break. Meaning that I might have too,
but totally against my will, be forced to buy a subscription to Jaws.
Man, is that gona hurt something awful.

On 5/14/2019 12:33 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:

Hope this list is still active.  I just installed Windows 10 version 1809
and was delighted to find that on my Dell desktop, W E 9.5.4.0 works well
with one minor exception.  Whenever Window-eyes loads, I get an error 
when

the GW tool kit loads. However, if I click on the restart app choice, no
error message is received. Does anyone know what is happening here?


Incidentally, I reinstalled the GW tool kit app with the same results.


Don Roberts


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Re: question about foreground staging

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The interesting thing about foreground staging, I haven't got that message 
since I stopped using window eyes.


-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 3:27 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about foreground staging

Yeah, right, grimmace!  At least it hasn't happend today, yet, grin.  I
appreciate your taking the time to see what you could figure out.

Take care,

Carol


On 4/2/2019 7:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. It's 
strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the 
mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful.

Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy 
anomaly.  It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing 
WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. 
Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest 
problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. 
Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than 
not, they do not speak when I land on them.  Anyway, I will be through my 
moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin.  Well, 
maybe not for a month or so.  Thanks for trying to figure it out.


Carol


On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi Carol,
That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I 
said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting 
a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing.
I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I 
can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what 
"enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the 
Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system 
tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab 
order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window 
is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized 
to the tray.
All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes 
scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground 
staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a 
script to stomp on it. Smile.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Regards,
Tom


On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Here is an update on the foreground staging issue.  It came bacdk again 
today.  The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside 
the music folder.  I clicked on a song to play and the foreground 
staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on 
the screen.  There are a couple of interesting items here to report. 
The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything.  I 
could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, 
which confirmed what the screen was.  The other interesting thing was 
that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop 
when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, 
WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a 
few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground 
staging issue.  Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go 
away for a while if I restart WE.


Carol



On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Hi carol,
I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem 
with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just 
hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't 
come back.
I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I 
connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what 
I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come 
up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and 
it's gone.
I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is 
that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with 
MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just 
shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper 
hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window.
All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do 
things. Hopefully you'll find one that works.

Good luck,
Tom


On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi Tom,

Thanks for writing.  In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted 
and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to 
move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE 
would read absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would 
say "foreground staging."  Windows-d would open the desktop back up, 
but the folders I 

Re: Question About WLM

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Have you tried a different screen reader to see if it's a window eyes issue?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 7:36 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Window-Eyes

-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 6:26 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

What screen reader are you using?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:13 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Nope, didn't cure the problem.

Bob

.
-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Try to maximize both the parent window (the mailbox listing) and then the
child window where the message is being displayed or edited. These sometimes
get set to normal and begin working after they are maximized.
Alt-spacebar for the main window, and alt-dash spacebar for the child
window, as it used to be with some of the older Windows programs.
Hope this helps.
73,


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

I open WLM. I can read what I write in the text of the email I am creating.
Then the 2nd email I creatE, I can't read what I write. In order to read
what I write in the text, I have to close WLM and then open it again.

Anyone know how to fix this?


Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Check out my performing schedule: www.ringwald.com/schedule.php
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
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Re: Question About WLM

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

What screen reader are you using?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:13 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Nope, didn't cure the problem.

Bob

.
-Original Message- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Lloyd Rasmussen
Subject: Re: Question About WLM

Try to maximize both the parent window (the mailbox listing) and then the
child window where the message is being displayed or edited. These sometimes
get set to normal and begin working after they are maximized.
Alt-spacebar for the main window, and alt-dash spacebar for the child
window, as it used to be with some of the older Windows programs.
Hope this helps.
73,


Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 2:24 PM
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About WLM

I open WLM. I can read what I write in the text of the email I am creating.
Then the 2nd email I creatE, I can't read what I write. In order to read
what I write in the text, I have to close WLM and then open it again.

Anyone know how to fix this?


Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Check out my performing schedule: www.ringwald.com/schedule.php
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

"If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be."
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Re: window eyes with arabic synthesizer

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

And you do have the option of using narrator with the windows 10 1809 
update.  Play the following:
This YouTube video focuses on Narrator; the same man did a video on the new 
low vision features last week:

http://bit.ly/2RZULjU

-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: window eyes with arabic synthesizer

Hello Drew. I am sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but
Window-Eyes is no longer in production. It was acquired by VFO who also has
JAWS as well. JAWS is the one VFO is concentrating their development on.
Why not give NVDA a try if you don't want to use JAWS. Thanks, Sky.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Drew Clark via Talk
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 8:17 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Drew Clark
Subject: window eyes with arabic synthesizer

Hi,
i am decided to use window eyes in arabic, unfortunately there is no
demo for that on the gw window eyes demo page,
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/demo/
if i download it from here i will get english copy of window eyes.
if i use the window eyes for office, i can download the window eyes in
arabic, but after installing it, the synthesizers cannot read arabic.
it came with espeak, witch does not have arabic support, and my sapi
synthesizer here on my windows 10 dont speak arabic either!
any solution for this?
i want to use window eyes!
thanks
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Re: alt-tab not speaking after upgrade to 1803

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   It will be interesting to find out how window eyes will work with 
windows 10 1809 just released?


-Original Message- 
From: John Covici via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 3:00 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: John Covici
Subject: alt-tab not speaking after upgrade to 1803

Hi.  After upgrading to Windows 10 1803, WE is no longer speaking
alt-tab items.  When I do alt-tab and hit tab again I get nothing.

Is anyone else seeing this and any hints as to fixing this problem?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

--
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

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Re: OT about digital book players

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Thu, 7 Jun 2018, john schwery via Talk wrote:


Russ, I'm not saying that the second generation Stream is better than
the Ipod Mini but with the Stream, one can search for, download and
read Nls books and books from bookshare.  One can also subscribe to,
download and listen to podcasts.

At 09:15 AM 6/7/2018, Russ Kiehne via Talk, wrote:

I took a lot of time thinking about if I should buy a commercial
one such as the second generation
victor reader stream.  I ended up buying a ipad mini. Here's why:
It has more volume and better sound than my ipod touch, victor
reader stream
booksense and plextalk pocket.  It does everything I would do with a
specialized player.  With being able to lock the screen while
playing audio content, I get much more play time than with my
specialized
players.

With the bard mobile app, I can read nls books on it.  Books can be
directly
downloaded to the ipad mini.  This can't be done on my specialized
players
I currently own.

With the audible app, I can read books from audible.  Books can be
directly
downloaded to the ipad mini.  I can't do this with my specialized
players I
currently own.

With the Kindle app, I can read Kindle books from Amazon.  I can't
do this
with my specialized playrs.

With the voice dream reader app I can read books from bookshare,
unprotected
epub, listen to old time radio shows.
Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based
eBooks,
DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain
Text, Rich
Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple
Pages, Apple
Keynote, HTML.
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both
bookshare and Project Gutenberg directly to the ipad mini.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a
booksense
when reading any text based file.  I can switch between Acapela and
neospeech.  I can't see buying a second generation victor reader stream
inorder to download books from bookshare to it.  With the
specialized players
I currently own, I can't download books from bookshare to them.

With the LibriVox Audio Books Pro provides free access to over 15,000
audiobooks and thousands of radio dramas with no ads.  Each
audiobook can be
streamed over the internet or downloaded for later use.

Audiobooks from LibriVox are free thanks to the dedicated work of
hundreds
of volunteers who record, edit and distribute the books.  New
releases are
prepared daily, and the entire catalog spans the breadth of world
literature, including novels, history, biography, short stories,
poetry and
more in both fiction and non-fiction.

The LibriVox Audio Books app makes it easy to search for free audio
books,
as well as classic radio dramas.  You can browse by title, author or
genre,
look at new recordings, or search by keyword.  Because the books are
free,
you can listen to as much or as little of a book as you like with no
cost.
The app remembers your position, so when you return to a book later,
you can
start listening at the place where you left off, and includes a
sleep timer
for your convenience.

To see the LibriVox catalog on the web, visit
http://librivox.bookdesign.biz

With the downcast app, I can download podcasts directly to the ipad
mini. I
can subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With my plextalk
pocket, I
can't subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With the other two
specialized players i currently own, I can't download podcasts to them.

My ipad mini is now my favorite device for reading books,
downloading and
listening to podcasts and old time radio shows.

-Original Message- From: BK via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:25 AM
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: OT about digital book players

Hello, I have a digital book player from NLS, but I would like to get a
commercial  one. Can anyone recommend a good, sterdy, player for not
more than 400 dollars? All help is appreciated.

Butch

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Re: OT about digital book players

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The thing I like about the ipad, you can download books from Audible 
directly to it.  It would be nice if this could be done with the Stream? 
The Stream is a great choice for those who don't like touch screens.


-Original Message- 
From: john schwery via Talk

Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 7:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: john schwery
Subject: Re: OT about digital book players

Russ, I'm not saying that the second generation Stream is better than
the Ipod Mini but with the Stream, one can search for, download and
read Nls books and books from bookshare.  One can also subscribe to,
download and listen to podcasts.

At 09:15 AM 6/7/2018, Russ Kiehne via Talk, wrote:
I took a lot of time thinking about if I should buy a commercial  one such 
as the second generation

victor reader stream.  I ended up buying a ipad mini. Here's why:
It has more volume and better sound than my ipod touch, victor reader 
stream

booksense and plextalk pocket.  It does everything I would do with a
specialized player.  With being able to lock the screen while
playing audio content, I get much more play time than with my specialized
players.

With the bard mobile app, I can read nls books on it.  Books can be 
directly

downloaded to the ipad mini.  This can't be done on my specialized players
I currently own.

With the audible app, I can read books from audible.  Books can be directly
downloaded to the ipad mini.  I can't do this with my specialized players I
currently own.

With the Kindle app, I can read Kindle books from Amazon.  I can't do this
with my specialized playrs.

With the voice dream reader app I can read books from bookshare, 
unprotected

epub, listen to old time radio shows.
Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks,
DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich
Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple
Keynote, HTML.
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both
bookshare and Project Gutenberg directly to the ipad mini.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a 
booksense

when reading any text based file.  I can switch between Acapela and
neospeech.  I can't see buying a second generation victor reader stream
inorder to download books from bookshare to it.  With the specialized 
players

I currently own, I can't download books from bookshare to them.

With the LibriVox Audio Books Pro provides free access to over 15,000
audiobooks and thousands of radio dramas with no ads.  Each audiobook can 
be

streamed over the internet or downloaded for later use.

Audiobooks from LibriVox are free thanks to the dedicated work of hundreds
of volunteers who record, edit and distribute the books.  New releases are
prepared daily, and the entire catalog spans the breadth of world
literature, including novels, history, biography, short stories, poetry and
more in both fiction and non-fiction.

The LibriVox Audio Books app makes it easy to search for free audio books,
as well as classic radio dramas.  You can browse by title, author or genre,
look at new recordings, or search by keyword.  Because the books are free,
you can listen to as much or as little of a book as you like with no cost.
The app remembers your position, so when you return to a book later, you 
can

start listening at the place where you left off, and includes a sleep timer
for your convenience.

To see the LibriVox catalog on the web, visit 
http://librivox.bookdesign.biz


With the downcast app, I can download podcasts directly to the ipad mini. 
I
can subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With my plextalk pocket, 
I

can't subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With the other two
specialized players i currently own, I can't download podcasts to them.

My ipad mini is now my favorite device for reading books, downloading and
listening to podcasts and old time radio shows.

-Original Message- From: BK via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:25 AM
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: OT about digital book players

Hello, I have a digital book player from NLS, but I would like to get a
commercial  one. Can anyone recommend a good, sterdy, player for not
more than 400 dollars? All help is appreciated.

Butch

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Re: OT about digital book players

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I took a lot of time thinking about if I should buy a commercial  one such 
as the second generation

victor reader stream.  I ended up buying a ipad mini. Here's why:
It has more volume and better sound than my ipod touch, victor reader stream
booksense and plextalk pocket.  It does everything I would do with a
specialized player.  With being able to lock the screen while
playing audio content, I get much more play time than with my specialized
players.

With the bard mobile app, I can read nls books on it.  Books can be directly
downloaded to the ipad mini.  This can't be done on my specialized players
I currently own.

With the audible app, I can read books from audible.  Books can be directly
downloaded to the ipad mini.  I can't do this with my specialized players I
currently own.

With the Kindle app, I can read Kindle books from Amazon.  I can't do this
with my specialized playrs.

With the voice dream reader app I can read books from bookshare, 
unprotected

epub, listen to old time radio shows.
Supported File Formats PDF, EPUB (DRM free), DAISY 3.0 text-based eBooks,
DAISY 2.02 audiobooks, Zipped MP3 files, such as LibriVox, Plain Text, Rich
Text Format (RTF), Microsoft Word, Microsoft PowerPoint, Apple Pages, Apple
Keynote, HTML.
What's nice about voice dream reader, you can download books from both
bookshare and Project Gutenberg directly to the ipad mini.
I bought the optional neospeech voice to make it sound just like a booksense
when reading any text based file.  I can switch between Acapela and
neospeech.  I can't see buying a second generation victor reader stream
inorder to download books from bookshare to it.  With the specialized 
players

I currently own, I can't download books from bookshare to them.

With the LibriVox Audio Books Pro provides free access to over 15,000
audiobooks and thousands of radio dramas with no ads.  Each audiobook can be
streamed over the internet or downloaded for later use.

Audiobooks from LibriVox are free thanks to the dedicated work of hundreds
of volunteers who record, edit and distribute the books.  New releases are
prepared daily, and the entire catalog spans the breadth of world
literature, including novels, history, biography, short stories, poetry and
more in both fiction and non-fiction.

The LibriVox Audio Books app makes it easy to search for free audio books,
as well as classic radio dramas.  You can browse by title, author or genre,
look at new recordings, or search by keyword.  Because the books are free,
you can listen to as much or as little of a book as you like with no cost.
The app remembers your position, so when you return to a book later, you can
start listening at the place where you left off, and includes a sleep timer
for your convenience.

To see the LibriVox catalog on the web, visit http://librivox.bookdesign.biz

With the downcast app, I can download podcasts directly to the ipad mini.  I
can subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With my plextalk pocket, I
can't subscribe and unsubscribe to podcasts on it.  With the other two
specialized players i currently own, I can't download podcasts to them.

My ipad mini is now my favorite device for reading books, downloading and
listening to podcasts and old time radio shows.

-Original Message- 
From: BK via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:25 AM
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: OT about digital book players

Hello, I have a digital book player from NLS, but I would like to get a
commercial  one. Can anyone recommend a good, sterdy, player for not
more than 400 dollars? All help is appreciated.

Butch

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Re: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I just bought a Matias Wireless Aluminum Keyboard for 
iPhone/Mac/Windows/Android to use  with my ipad.  I've been having a lot of 
fun surfing the net using Safari on my ipad.


I agree with you. Using The banking app on my ipod touch is so much easier 
than using my windows 10 computer.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 7:45 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?

Hi Paulette,

You'll probably remember me, Rod Hutton, from Canada.
I called you some time back, when you needed some insight into podcast 
software for your iPhone.
I can certainly call you again, but I can write a bit about my experience 
with this crazy world of computers since we talked last, and this will help 
anyone on the list as well.


I bought a Macbook Pro with Touchbar last summer.
It's pretty much the best laptop Apple has made, and it is up to date, with 
the current version of macOS, the operating system for the Mac.

Therefore, it has the current web browser, Safari.
My reason for going into the Mac world was partly for the reason you want 
to, to have a machine with a built-in screen reader so that I wouldn't have 
to spend time and money and trouble just to have an accessible computer.
My other reason was that I was always very envious of Mac users who seemed 
to have a lot less trouble than us poor Windows slaves.
Anyway, being a pretty savvy PC user, and figuring we could finance what is 
a pretty expensive machine, my wife and I, being both blind, figured we'd 
just go for it.
We also had heard quite a few podcasts by the famous blind Australian 
podcaster and Apple ambassador, David Woodbridge, and, if you ever heard his 
confident and savvy performance on his podcasts, you'll know why we kind of 
got sucked deeper and deeper into the Apple world.

Incidentally, he has every Apple device going, and he uses them all.
Through him, I have gotten very competent with my Apple products as well, 
including the iPhone, the Apple Watch, and the Mac.


My other and more curucial reason for moving deeper into the Apple world was 
the decision VFO made to stop developing Window-Eyes.
It seemed to me that I needed to diversify my accessibility toolbox, and it 
made sense to move closer to a company which built accessibility tools into 
each and every device they sell.


On reflection, I suppose it was my long experience with Windows computers 
which influenced me to buy the equivalent device in the Apple world, namely, 
a Mac computer.
Well, it has a screen and a keyboard, and so why wouldn't I just go that 
route?
Having used the Mac since I bought it last summer, while I can say that I 
have really come to respect and enjoy the beautiful design of the hardware 
and operating system of the Mac, I can also say that I have continued my use 
of the iPhone with an Apple Magic Bluetooth keyboard, and there are a lot of 
similarities when using these two Apple devices.
For all of us, these days, whether we like it or not, our survival is 
increasingly dependent on online services.
Therefore, to remain independent, we are forced to deal with interfaces, 
whether they are web browsers or apps, and, indeed, these little apps are 
often just web browsers in disguise, and so wether we can accomplish our 
tasks depends on the accessibility of these interfaces.
What I have learned is that I am using all of my devices in order to get my 
work done, and it is usually in the following order:


First, I use my Windows 10 PC running Window-Eyes and Firefox, that is, the 
Extended Service Release version of Firefox.
When Window-Eyes fails to detect certain Firefox web page controls 
effectively, I unload Window-Eyes and load NVDA, and, once I pass the hurdle 
in my way, I unload it and switch back to Window-Eyes.
Note that this is my experience with my most important web task, namely, 
online grocery shopping, and so, if I fail here, I don't eat.
The next most important online task for me is banking, and, very recently, I 
have come to see that the easiest way to do this is using my iPhone, and 
this is because the app is a stripped-down version of a web browser, and 
containing only the most basic controls necessary to review and perform 
transactions, I can bank in a flash.
Then again, if I want to highlight the pleasure aspect of web browsing, I 
must say that Safari on the Mac is the most fun, and this is because, once 
you understand the web rotor, you can breeze through web page elements using 
arrow keys alone.


Although I could, no doubt, go on and on, I should boil things down a bit, 
and say, for me, I will probably always find it necessary to have a Windows 
machine running NVDA, as well as some mobile device such as a cell phone or 
tablet.
This is pretty much common sense today, since these two platforms will 
persist into the future.
My experience is that a Windows browser is the only one which consistently 
reveals 

Re: Windows 10 build 1803

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Womewhere I saw a message that window eyes has a problem with the inside 
builts of windows 10.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:56 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Windows 10 build 1803

Hi Russ,

If Windows had a problem with Window-Eyes, it would not proceed with the 
update and inform you of this situation, and suggest a solution, like 
uninstalling it.


Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:29 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803

To make sure I don't have problems when I update to 1803, I no longer have
window eyes running at start up.

-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:15 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803

Some of the insiders said will not, but they also said this when the Fall
creator edition came out but I am still using Window Eyes. I guess we'll
have to wait and see.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Cc: Russ Kiehne
 Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:33 AM
 Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803


 I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803?

 -Original Message- 
 From: M F Mason via Talk

 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM
 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Cc: M F Mason
 Subject: Windows 10 build 1803

 Hello,

 I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed.
 I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list.
 However, I am now subscribed again.
 This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the
 reason for my apology.

 I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows
10.
 I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803.
 I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their
 experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes?

 Many thanks,

 Mike.

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Re: `news about jws

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Likewise, I would like to know where this info came from?

I'm subscribed to the Freedom Scientific podcast and nothing was said about 
this in the latest podcast.


-Original Message- 
From: Shannon Bartch via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:29 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Shannon Bartch
Subject: RE: `news about jws

Where did you get this news?
I don't get a news letter.t
Shannon
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+shannon=bartchroofing@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of bj colt via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:27 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: bj colt
Subject: `news about jws

Hi Folks,

I recieved an email this morning and it informed me that jws is going to
become a subscription based product. Now it all makes sense, getting rid of
the opposition first. No or very little competittion. This will be
interesting how it is going to work?

I'm not going to say how I feel inside but needless to say corrupt, evil
sociopathic Narsasists come to mind.

I genuinly and sincerely hope that as many blind people don't subscribe.

Live long and prosper, John
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Re: Windows 10 build 1803

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

To make sure I don't have problems when I update to 1803, I no longer have 
window eyes running at start up.


-Original Message- 
From: Loy Green via Talk

Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:15 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy Green
Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803

Some of the insiders said will not, but they also said this when the Fall 
creator edition came out but I am still using Window Eyes. I guess we'll 
have to wait and see.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Cc: Russ Kiehne
 Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:33 AM
 Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803


 I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803?

 -Original Message- 
 From: M F Mason via Talk

 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM
 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Cc: M F Mason
 Subject: Windows 10 build 1803

 Hello,

 I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed.
 I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list.
 However, I am now subscribed again.
 This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the
 reason for my apology.

 I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 
10.

 I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803.
 I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their
 experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes?

 Many thanks,

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Re: Windows 10 build 1803

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803?

-Original Message- 
From: M F Mason via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: M F Mason
Subject: Windows 10 build 1803

Hello,

I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed.
I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list.
However, I am now subscribed again.
This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the
reason for my apology.

I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10.
I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803.
I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their
experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes?

Many thanks,

Mike.

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Re: are we still alive

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Yes, I'm still here.

-Original Message- 
From: Don Smith via Talk

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:39 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Don Smith
Subject: are we still alive

Hi:

Since window eyes is not dead, are we still alive on this list

Thanks

Don



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Re: Musings and touching base

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I also have a ipod touch.  I bought a ipad mini and like it over the ipod 
touch for the following reasons.  It has better sound and battery life than 
the ipod touch.


Those of us who are using windows 10 have the choice of nvda or jaws.  I'm 
still waiting to find out if window eyes will work with windows 10 1803?


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 12:52 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Musings and touching base

Hi Brenda,

Great to hear from you, and, as John said, I care too.
Personally, I am using Window-Eyes on my Windows 7 machine too, and will not 
ever use Jaws.

I just don't like that company.
I recently bought a Mac and so have an alternative for surfing the web when 
Windows 7 becomes unsupported, which will be in 2020.
Even then, though, since my Windows 7 runs in a virtual machine, I wil use 
it forever, with Window-Eyes.
I also use a Bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone 7 and my iPod 6th generation, 
and these are as good as a tablet like the iPad.
As for security and the ability to surf the web and do email, then, I think 
I'm covered.
I am in the Apple world, and I can still use Windows, but what I'm saying is 
that I'm not restricted to Windows in order to keep up to date.
I believe that not upgrading Window-Eyes was a major blunder in the 
blindness world.

Hope this helps, and, again, great to hear from you.

Take care,

Rod Hutton

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows

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Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Musings and touching base

Hello Lists,

I was cleaning out my emails and ran across a bunch from GW-Micro staff
and various list posts. Made me feel kinda sad.  It's been around a year
since our beloved Window-eyes went the way of DOS and Word perfect. I
still have my win7 machine but use the replacement provided by the
conquerer because I need to get used to using it. Actually, I don't even
get on the computer much. I'm  using FF 52.?? and am hoping Mozilla
makes FF 57 and beyond accessible again. I usually use my phone and am
considering getting a tablet with a keyboard but wonder how safe they
are from  viruses.

Anyway, I read a lot of the posts on these two lists and wanted to let
you all know I'm still around, not that you really care, and that I
still miss Window-Eyes and the wonderful staff at GW-Micro. Still wonder
where they all went and hoping the best for them and all of you listers.

Brenda
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Re: Musings and touching base

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Speaking of window eyes, has anyone been able to confirm if it will work 
with windows 10 1803?


-Original Message- 
From: geodom--- via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 1:22 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Musings and touching base

I am still using window eyes because I downloaded the jaws, and I haven't
been able to set it up the way I want to, no matter what I am told, and what
instructions I follow.  It won't let me change things, and won't show me the
places to change what I want to change.  So, I am still using window eyes.
Pam.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 3:39 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Musings and touching base

Hello Lists,

I was cleaning out my emails and ran across a bunch from GW-Micro staff
and various list posts. Made me feel kinda sad.  It's been around a year
since our beloved Window-eyes went the way of DOS and Word perfect. I
still have my win7 machine but use the replacement provided by the
conquerer because I need to get used to using it. Actually, I don't even
get on the computer much. I'm  using FF 52.?? and am hoping Mozilla
makes FF 57 and beyond accessible again. I usually use my phone and am
considering getting a tablet with a keyboard but wonder how safe they
are from  viruses.

Anyway, I read a lot of the posts on these two lists and wanted to let
you all know I'm still around, not that you really care, and that I
still miss Window-Eyes and the wonderful staff at GW-Micro. Still wonder
where they all went and hoping the best for them and all of you listers.

Brenda
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nvda golden mouse add on?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Can anyone using nvda with the golden mouse add on tell me if this makes nvda 
work like the window eyes simulated mouse?
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Re: screen reader compatibility

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Has any of the windows insiders tried window eyes with 1803?

-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 7:49 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: screen reader compatibility


 I copied this from another list.Hi everyone,
Below is an update on screen reader compatibility notice and a schedule
of events regarding Version 1803:
A few weeks ago I sent out a preliminary notice regarding compatible
screen readers with Windows 10 Version 1803. The below notice replaces
the preliminary one and should be considered official compatibility
notice from this forum cluster:
Windows 10 Version 1803 compatible screen readers: any screen reader
supporting Version 1703 or later will work, although you may need to
install releases optimized for 1803. The following are known compatible
screen readers:
• Narrator : yes.
• NonVisual Desktop Access: 2018.1.1 or later.
• JAWS for Windows: 18.0.4350 or later, 2018.1802.78 or later.
• ZoomText: 11.5 or later.
• Any screen reader declaring support for Version 1703 (Creators Update)
or later (except Window-Eyes).
Note: Window-Eyes is no longer supported as a compatible screen reader
from this forum cluster as the product was discontinued.
Also, based on latest information available, the tentative schedule of
events regarding Version 1803 (on this forum cluster) is as follows:
• Around April 3, 2018 or whenever it happens: Version 1803 build will
be sent to release preview Insiders. From that day on, the entire forum
cluster will enter Version 1803 era.
• Around April 10, 2018: Version 1803 makes public debut.
• April 11, 2018 or at most 24 hours after public release: critical
standby begins. This is a 72-hour period where all activity on the Win10
forum will be suspended except for Version 1803 upgrade reports and
impressions. This is also the period when Microsoft staff and screen
reader vendor reps will get temporary moderator privileges so they can
pass on critical information for screen reader users (please show them
respect during that time).
• Between 1803 release date and 60 days after: countdown for Version
1709 is in effect. During this time cumulative update notices for both
1709 and 1803 will be sent to the forum cluster.
• June 30, 2018 or end of 60 day countdown, whichever happens earlier:
cumulative update announcements for 1709 will cease. The next KB alert
for 1709 will be on April 2019 once it exits consumer support.
• December 2018: cumulative update for 1803 will cease.
• October 2019: last KB alert for 1803 as it exits consumer support.
The above schedule is subject to change – depends on when Version 1803
will hit the air.
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Re: top bottom index

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Does it work in a email message list such as in windows live mail?

-Original Message- 
From: Marten Post Uiterweer via Talk

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 10:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Marten Post Uiterweer
Subject: Re: top bottom index

Russ,

Jaws does have  a sort of top-bottom alert function. Not as nice as in
Window-Eyes.
Press ins-v and type: top
arrow down, you land on:
top and bottom edge alert
here you ca choose for silent and alert with sound.
It will not work in the windows explorer pane, but in a real listview it
works, but a bit slower then the function in Window-Eyes.

Regards, Marten


On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 06:24:08 -0700 Russ Kiehne via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:



I would like to see Jaws to be able to speak top bottom like Window Eyes?

-Original Message- From: BK via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 9:57 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: BK
Subject: Re: top bottom index

Found it, thank you Tom. Now, do you or anyone on the list know if Jaws
has an equivalent, speak top bottom, setting?

Butch

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Re: top bottom index

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I did and that doesn't give you top and bottom like window eyes.

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 10:40 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: top bottom index

You need to read this list thoroughly.  Someone else posted the Jaws
equivalent of top-bottom.

On 3/23/2018 9:24 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

I would like to see Jaws to be able to speak top bottom like Window Eyes?

-Original Message- From: BK via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 9:57 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: BK
Subject: Re: top bottom index

Found it, thank you Tom. Now, do you or anyone on the list know if Jaws
has an equivalent, speak top bottom, setting?

Butch

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Re: top bottom index

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I would like to see Jaws to be able to speak top bottom like Window Eyes?

-Original Message- 
From: BK via Talk

Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 9:57 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: BK
Subject: Re: top bottom index

Found it, thank you Tom. Now, do you or anyone on the list know if Jaws
has an equivalent, speak top bottom, setting?

Butch

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Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I was aksing if there are software solutions like Openbook for the Maz?

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

Hi Russ,

If you are asking whether there is OCR software available for macOS, then 
the answer is a resounding yes.
If you're asking whether there are software solutions available with all of 
the features you're used to in Openbook or Kurzweil 1000, I can't say for 
certain, but I haven't come across anything as yet.


Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:06 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

Does the Mac have a program like openbook?

-Original Message- 
From: John Covici via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

The thing is there is no one size fits all -- some programs don't work
on MacOS at all such as quickbooks and the audio editing situation is
more difficult.  Web browsing can be very nice or lousy on some sites,
so I think to get your work done you may need both MAC and WINDOWS.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:27:39 -0500,
Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:


Hi Butch,

Your questions are easy to ask but not quite so easy for me to answer.
(smile)
I learned macOS by simply grabbing a list of hot keys, and, with a little
knowledge I gained here and there, I learned the underlying philosophy of
VoiceOver, and so I just muddled through until, today, I can do anything I
need to with the Mac.
The biggest difference is that VoiceOver tends to act like a big mouse
pointer, and, once you decide what you want to interact with, you press a
VoiceOver hot key and then interact with the Window or the web page or
system dialog or whatever.
When you want to interact with something else, then you must back out of,
or stop interacting with, what had been focused upon, and then start over
again.
We're used to Windows, where focus is always present, and so this is what
you must accept is not true of macOS.
However, because focus is not a necessity, it makes it possible for system
dialogs to pop up, and so you tend to not miss important things happening
on your system.
I would say that macOS is perfectly accessible with VoiceOver, and so it
is equivalent to Window-Eyes.
To be honest, I think it is a beautiful experience when you see the
thought which has gone into developing the macOS, which, I should add, is
very, very similar to how IOS works, which is the OS of the iPod Tuch, the
iPad and the iPhone.
As Dennis has mentioned, there are tutorials which can help you learn
macOS.
'David Woodbridge, a blind employee of ision Australia, has lots of
podcasts on different Apple devices, pretty much all of them, in fact, and
so he can take the blame for my buying a Mac.
His descriptions of Apple devices suck you right in, and they just make
you run to the Apple store. (grin)

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of BK via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 4:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: BK
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

Rod, how does voice over compare with jaws and window eyes? And are
there audio books or tutorials available to help learn the mac OS? Thank
you much.

Butch

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Re: window-eyes still working.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Are you using window eyes with the latest build of windows 10 as a part of 
the windows insider program?


-Original Message- 
From: Bob Tinney via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:56 AM
To: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: Re: window-eyes still working.

Window Eyes still works for me, I have Jaws, but still like WE.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 2/22/2018 9:51 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Are you a part of the windows insider program?

-Original Message- From: Curtis Delzer via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:44 PM
To: wi...@win10.groups.io
Cc: Curtis Delzer
Subject: window-eyes still working.

I just did that major update and window-eyes still is working using
Becky! email.

-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

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Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The vocalizier Expressive voices are free with jaws.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I had done that, and it still says everything.  I tried all of the stuff
that we were given when the transfer was done.  There were some setup
tutorials on how to work it and how to set it up.  How do I get to hear what
those voices sound like?  I think you have to buy them.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:42 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

You can turn the camas and periods off.
Press insert then go to basic then to voice ajustments and set the
punctuation to none.
Have you tried the vocalizier Expressive voices?

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:04 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I did, but I hate jaws.  Jaws acts as if we are simpletons.  I hate, for
instance, that, after you press enter on an email, after you already know
who it is from and what the subject is, that you have to listen to the whole
thing, not just the body of the message.  I also hate that you can't turn
certain things off, so you have to listen to commas and periods and stuff.
And that eloquence is terrible!  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

If Window-Eyes finally dies with the release of the next Windows10 update,
that could put the final nails in the casket for me.  I'll have to lick my
wounds and find ways to dry my free flowing tears.

That aside, I better work a bit more quickly on mastering my Android tablet;
the nails in the casket will just about do it for me with Windows and its
associated screen readers.  No, no Windows10 for me; no, I didn't take the
offer to migrate to Jaws even though I can use Jaws.  And, no, NVDA WILL NOT
cut it for what I have to do particularly with respect to gainful
employment.

Farewell!  Back to the sidelines I go, peeping out of my pidgin holes and
watching the goings-on!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Does the Mac have a program like openbook?

-Original Message- 
From: John Covici via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

The thing is there is no one size fits all -- some programs don't work
on MacOS at all such as quickbooks and the audio editing situation is
more difficult.  Web browsing can be very nice or lousy on some sites,
so I think to get your work done you may need both MAC and WINDOWS.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:27:39 -0500,
Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:


Hi Butch,

Your questions are easy to ask but not quite so easy for me to answer. 
(smile)
I learned macOS by simply grabbing a list of hot keys, and, with a little 
knowledge I gained here and there, I learned the underlying philosophy of 
VoiceOver, and so I just muddled through until, today, I can do anything I 
need to with the Mac.
The biggest difference is that VoiceOver tends to act like a big mouse 
pointer, and, once you decide what you want to interact with, you press a 
VoiceOver hot key and then interact with the Window or the web page or 
system dialog or whatever.
When you want to interact with something else, then you must back out of, 
or stop interacting with, what had been focused upon, and then start over 
again.
We're used to Windows, where focus is always present, and so this is what 
you must accept is not true of macOS.
However, because focus is not a necessity, it makes it possible for system 
dialogs to pop up, and so you tend to not miss important things happening 
on your system.
I would say that macOS is perfectly accessible with VoiceOver, and so it 
is equivalent to Window-Eyes.
To be honest, I think it is a beautiful experience when you see the 
thought which has gone into developing the macOS, which, I should add, is 
very, very similar to how IOS works, which is the OS of the iPod Tuch, the 
iPad and the iPhone.
As Dennis has mentioned, there are tutorials which can help you learn 
macOS.
'David Woodbridge, a blind employee of ision Australia, has lots of 
podcasts on different Apple devices, pretty much all of them, in fact, and 
so he can take the blame for my buying a Mac.
His descriptions of Apple devices suck you right in, and they just make 
you run to the Apple store. (grin)


Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


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Behalf Of BK via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 4:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: BK
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

Rod, how does voice over compare with jaws and window eyes? And are
there audio books or tutorials available to help learn the mac OS? Thank
you much.

Butch

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Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It's my understanding you can turn off when jaws speaks who the message is 
from and subject when you open the message.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:03 AM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Pamela Dominguez
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

I did, but I hate jaws.  Jaws acts as if we are simpletons.  I hate, for
instance, that, after you press enter on an email, after you already know
who it is from and what the subject is, that you have to listen to the whole
thing, not just the body of the message.  I also hate that you can't turn
certain things off, so you have to listen to commas and periods and stuff.
And that eloquence is terrible!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

If Window-Eyes finally dies with the release of the next Windows10 update,
that could put the final nails in the casket for me.  I'll have to lick my
wounds and find ways to dry my free flowing tears.

That aside, I better work a bit more quickly on mastering my Android tablet;
the nails in the casket will just about do it for me with Windows and its
associated screen readers.  No, no Windows10 for me; no, I didn't take the
offer to migrate to Jaws even though I can use Jaws.  And, no, NVDA WILL NOT
cut it for what I have to do particularly with respect to gainful
employment.

Farewell!  Back to the sidelines I go, peeping out of my pidgin holes and
watching the goings-on!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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Re: window-eyes still working.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Are you a part of the windows insider program?

-Original Message- 
From: Curtis Delzer via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:44 PM
To: wi...@win10.groups.io
Cc: Curtis Delzer
Subject: window-eyes still working.

I just did that major update and window-eyes still is working using
Becky! email.

-
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Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Anyone on the list who is a part of the windows insider program?  They can 
tell us if window eyes will still work?


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:23 AM
To: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

We've already been told this about previous updates while in the beta
phase and WE is still working fine. So who knows. We'll just have to
wait and see.


On 2/21/2018 9:10 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:

Can anyone confirm if window eyes will still work with windows 10 1803?
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Re: Problems navigating websites

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

When using the tripletalk with NVDA, it doesn't support indexing.

-Original Message- 
From: Curtis Delzer via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Curtis Delzer
Subject: Re: Problems navigating websites

they do support the  tripple talk, I have one and it works.
-
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA

On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 16:56:07 +
Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:


Hi John,

The NVDA synthesizer support page does not mention hardware synths:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices

Best,

Rod

Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows


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From: Talk 
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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 5:40 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: Problems navigating websites

Does nvda work with any hardware synths?

On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 17:36:44 -0500,
brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>
> I migrated to Jaws, paid for 2 upgrades and never use it. NVDA is
> my choice of screen reader. Basically wasted around 120 dollars.
>
> On 2/2/2018 11:54 AM, Janet Brandly via Talk wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I¢m having a lot of trouble nagivating websites with W10, Chrome, and 
> > the latest WE with the Chrome app. I¢ll start reading something, and 
> > WE will just stop reading or it becomes very slow-nearly 
> > nonresponsive. Does anyone out there have any suggestions of things to 
> > try or change to improve this? perhaps I¢d be better off with another 
> > screen reader? I¢d really rather not use JAWS as I¢m not doing 
> > anything very complicated any more and wouldn¢t use most of its 
> > features.

> >
> > Thanks for any thoughts,
> >
> > Janet
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Is it trure that window eyes won't work with windows 10 1803?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Can anyone confirm if window eyes will still work with windows 10 1803?
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Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It's probably in the windows registry.

-Original Message- 
From: John Covici via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:23 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici
Subject: Re: Windows 10 creater upgrade and window eyes 9.5.4

Windows seems to be very fussy about if you have any old versions
around, not installed, but in even a .zip file or in a folder anywhere
on your drive -- see if you can find them and remove  them all and try
again.

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:48:49 -0500,
David Crowell via Talk wrote:


Hi I have been trying for several weeks to do the windows 10 upgrade to
creator but am having no luck.  I have had sighted assistance and still 
can

not get things to install properly.  Here is the issue.
I know wE had to be removed for the installation so that was done.  Then 
the
download and install of creator was taking place when I got a message 
saying

WE 9.1 and 9.2 had to be removed from the computer before creator could
install.

This makes no sense at all because in the add remove programs WE 9.5.4 is
the only WE program on this computer.  WE was installed from a disc so I 
am

at my wits end on how to get creator downloaded and installed.
Any help would be greatly appreciated because I am tired of getting 
messages

constantly saying windows creator can not be installed and to click this
link to fix the issue.  Yes, this has been done several times but 
constantly

get the message about older versions of WE.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.


Dave


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Re: Nod 32

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

When did version 11 come out?

-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:50 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
Subject: Nod 32

Is anyone using Nod 32 version 11?

Is it accessible?



Pastor Gil

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Re: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   In this laptop, the WiFI is on.  It will connect to the network it has 
been configured when you tourn it on.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: FW: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

Hi Russ,

I should add that this is equivalent to the behavior of Apple devices' wifi 
always being on and looking for a network.
The reason Windows wifi cards are off by default and behave according to 
their power management settings is to save power.
So, if you disable the power management setting for your wifi card, your 
laptop will consume more power.


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: January 7, 2018 11:26 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

Hi Russ,

You could try this:

Right click on the Start button and, in the menu that appears, click on 
Device manager .

Double click on the Network adapters section to expand it.
Figure out which of the adapters in the list that appears is your computer's 
WiFi adapter and then right click on it. From the right click menu, click on 
Properties.
In the dialog that appears, click on the Power management tab to navigate to 
it. Uncheck the Allow this computer to turn off this device to save power. 
Click on OK.


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
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Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: January 7, 2018 10:32 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

This is a windows 10 laptop computer.  I use WIFI to connect to my home
network.  I also use it to connect to a WIFI network at a different
location.  With my ipad I can set the WIFI settings for each network and I
can connect to each one without doing anything.  With the laptop I have to
change the adaptor option settings to connectt to the other network.

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 6:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

Russ,

Can you give more details on exactly what you are trying to do, which
devices are you trying to connect, etc.

Best,

Rod

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From: Talk
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Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: January 7, 2018 9:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

I don't thaink that will work over a WIFI network?

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 7:05 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

Hi,

If you know the computer name of the machine you want to access, just type
the name, preceded by two backslashes,  in the address bar of an explorer
window, and the available shared folders on that machine will appear in the
window.

Best,

Rod

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Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: January 6, 2018 9:54 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

One network is configure to use a fixed ip address, the other network is
configured to automatically assign a ip address.  How can I connect with one
of these networks without having going into the adaptor option setting when
I want to connect to one of these networks?
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Re: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

This is a windows 10 laptop computer.  I use WIFI to connect to my home 
network.  I also use it to connect to a WIFI network at a different 
location.  With my ipad I can set the WIFI settings for each network and I 
can connect to each one without doing anything.  With the laptop I have to 
change the adaptor option settings to connectt to the other network.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 6:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

Russ,

Can you give more details on exactly what you are trying to do, which 
devices are you trying to connect, etc.


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: January 7, 2018 9:17 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

I don't thaink that will work over a WIFI network?

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 7:05 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

Hi,

If you know the computer name of the machine you want to access, just type 
the name, preceded by two backslashes,  in the address bar of an explorer 
window, and the available shared folders on that machine will appear in the 
window.


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: January 6, 2018 9:54 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

One network is configure to use a fixed ip address, the other network is 
configured to automatically assign a ip address.  How can I connect with one 
of these networks without having going into the adaptor option setting when 
I want to connect to one of these networks?

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Re: getting start up and shut down sounds to work in win10

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

You are correct, fast boot has to be turned off to hear the startup sound.

-Original Message- 
From: steve.jacobson--- via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 11:45 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: steve.jacob...@visi.com
Subject: RE: getting start up and shut down sounds to work in win10

Perhaps this has changed, but it is also my understanding that one has to
turn "fast boot" off in Windows 10 to hear the startup sound.  If that
feature is on, the boot process seems to skip the startup sound.  This
option is in settings, but I was not able to find it just now when I looked.
I know it is buried pretty deep, but Googling it helped me find it in the
past.  .  .  I also could not find a shutdown sound any more.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 4:32 PM
To: Dennis Long via Talk 
Cc: Tom Kingston 
Subject: Re: getting start up and shut down sounds to work in win10

Control panel, Sound, sounds.
Tab past the individual lists and there's a checkbox for the startup
sound. I don't know if there's a shutdown sound. I don't use them and
just ran quickly through and didn't see one.
Hth,
Tom


On 1/5/2018 5:18 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Hi, how do you get start up and shut down sounds to work in windows10?

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Re: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I don't thaink that will work over a WIFI network?

-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 7:05 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

Hi,

If you know the computer name of the machine you want to access, just type 
the name, preceded by two backslashes,  in the address bar of an explorer 
window, and the available shared folders on that machine will appear in the 
window.


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: January 6, 2018 9:54 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

One network is configure to use a fixed ip address, the other network is 
configured to automatically assign a ip address.  How can I connect with one 
of these networks without having going into the adaptor option setting when 
I want to connect to one of these networks?

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Connecting to two different WIFI networks on windows 10 laptop

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

One network is configure to use a fixed ip address, the other network is 
configured to automatically assign a ip address.  How can I connect with one of 
these networks without having going into the adaptor option setting when I want 
to connect to one of these networks?
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Re: Win10 and WE

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The way to get that info with jaws. use the jaws say line command.

-Original Message- 
From: CJ MAY via Talk

Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 1:09 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: CJ MAY
Subject: RE: Win10 and WE

Whilst on this topic, I have just gone over to Jaws and one thing I don't 
like about it is that when in Windows Explorer and arrowing down my list of 
downloaded books, it no longer tells me how many items in the list and which 
number in the list is selected.

Is there a way to adjust this?
Alison

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Re: jaws for beginners

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Go to Gwmicro.com and you'll find:
To help with the transition to JAWS, we have created some tutorials to get 
you started. The tutorials are available in two formats, audio and Microsoft 
Word


-Original Message- 
From: Rebecca Lineberger via Talk

Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 3:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Rebecca Lineberger
Subject: RE: jaws for beginners

Alison, the read to end command, or say all, is insert-down arrow.  This can
be either the down arrow of the T-arrow keys or the 2 on your numpad.
The read current line is the insert key and the up arrow, again, either the
up arrow of the T arrow keys or the 8 on your numpad.
Here's the link to the premium voices
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/Synthesizers
You should have been able to set verbosity level in the startup wizard, if I
remember correctly
But you can get it in several other ways.
Press insert-v to bring up the  quick settings menu.  Arrow down to
User verbosity
Or type
Verbosity in the search edit box.  The default is beginner.  Press the
spacebar to cycle through the choices.
If you press tab, JAWS will say:
This option controls the Verbosity, or amount of information, spoken by
JAWS.
The level settings are Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced.
To customize what JAWS speaks for each level, see the Verbosity Options
dialog in Settings Center. The default setting is Beginner.
Tab to ok and press enter.
There are other things in that list, such as punctuation you can change too.
Check out the training materials in the JAWS help menu.
HTH.
Rebecca
-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Alison May via Talk
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Alison May
Subject: Re: jaws for beginners

Having planned to remain a window-eyes user for the the foreseeable future,
I am ill-prepared for the unexpected demise of my trusty computer and I have
made the sad and reluctant decision to load jaws on my new computer. Could
someone help me get started by telling me how to reduce its verbosity and
where I can find alternative voices - any recommendations?  What is the read
to end command please?  Enough for starters!

Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
0777 315 8181


On 4 Dec 2017, at 7:55 pm, Larry Higgins via Talk

 wrote:



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Re: Nod 32

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

By chance, did you happen to ask the representative about the message you 
now get from Nod32 version 8?  I get the message it's out of date and they 
can't guarantee the best virus protection.


-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 10:48 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
Subject: Nod 32

Hi,

I talked with a representative from Eset about what version I should use
with a screen reader and he said version 8.



Pastor Gil

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Re: Nod32 version 8

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Great, I did want to know if it's still accessible  with both jaws and 
window eyes.  I'll go head and upgrade.


-Original Message- 
From: Rebecca Lineberger via Talk

Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:23 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Rebecca Lineberger
Subject: RE: Nod32 version 8

Russ,
I updated my NOD32 from 8 to 10 quite a while ago when Eset told me 10 was
available.  I'm having no issues with accessibility with either W-E or JAWS,
should that be of concern.
Rebecca
-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:27 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Nod32 version 8

I now get the message that Nod32 version 8 is out of date?  What are people
using in place of it?  Is the latest version accessible?

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Nod32 version 8

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I now get the message that Nod32 version 8 is out of date?  What are people 
using in place of it?  Is the latest version accessible? 


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Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I took a lot of time thinking about if I should buy a second generation
victor reader stream.  I ended up buying a ipad mini. Here's why:
It has more volume and better sound than my ipod touch 5th generation, first 
generation victor reader stream

booksense and plextalk pocket.  It does everything I would do with a
specialized player  and a lot more.  With being able to lock the screen 
while

playing audio content, I get much more play time than with my specialized
players.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 3:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

I also couldn't get the hang of gestures on an Ipod or Ipone. So dumped
them. Got a Snapfon ad a Victor Stream. Marvelous.



-Bob Ringwald




-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:29 PM
To: Josh Kennedy
Cc: Butch Bussen ; Josh Kennedy via Talk
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

Thanks much.  Well, it is like anything, if you know how it is simple.
I've messed with my i pod a good bit and just can't get the hang of
jestures.  Give me buttons.  I may look for a newer ipod just for the
reader.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Touch screens are easy to use. And if your ipod is 3 or 4 years old its 
camera probably is not good enough for knfb reader. You need a new one. A 
new ipod touch 6th gen.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 14:08
To: Josh Kennedy
Cc: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

How would I know.  I think it is an ipod touch, five I think.  I've had
it 3 or 4 years I think.  I don't use it much at all, can't get use to
touch screens.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy wrote:


Yes if the ipod has 8mp camera with flash then it will work fine.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 09:56
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I don't have an i phone, will it work with an i pod?  Not sure what
version of firmware I have.
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy via Talk
wrote:


Ok here is how you use knfb reader this is just an example.
Imagine you are a student in college. You have some paper handouts that 
you got from class that you cannot read, you also have  a print 
textbook. So how do you read it? First you unlock your android phone or 
your iPhone. Then you go into the knnfb reader app. And then you hold 
the phone a foot above the page. And then you press the field of view 
report button first making sure you are pointing the camera on the 
bottom of the phone down towards the page. Then you hit field of view 
report button you double tap it on the phone’s touch screen. You 
hear your phone say outloud with its screen reader:


All four corners of the page are visible.

Then holding the phone as steady as you can, you double tap the take 
picture button. The phone snaps a photo of the page, does OCR on the 
text, and reads the text out loud to you. And you can scan whole entire 
books very very fast with just the 8mp camera on your smartphone.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 19:18
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

But what does it do?



-Original Message-
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I have knfb reader on my android phone and it works great.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 16:03
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

And it's a fabulous OCR which is how it started. I have it on my iPhone
and can read just about anything imaginable. Think beyond a document
reader. I've read food boxes, cans, button labels and serial numbers on
gadgets, etc. It also works pretty good when you have to read your
computer screen or any other kind of display.
There's also a free one from Microsoft called seeing AI. It's useful but
doesn't compare to KNFB when it comes right down to it.
Regards,
Tom


On 11/22/2017 2:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

Yes you can read pdfs with it. It works on iPhone and android and on
windows10 devices.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 13:12
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: What is a KNFB Reader?

I see it is on sale.

Can you read PDFs with it?





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Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The 5th generation will work with KNFB reader.  It's true that the 6th 
generation has a better camera.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 2:29 PM
To: Josh Kennedy
Cc: Butch Bussen ; Josh Kennedy via Talk
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

Thanks much.  Well, it is like anything, if you know how it is simple.
I've messed with my i pod a good bit and just can't get the hang of
jestures.  Give me buttons.  I may look for a newer ipod just for the
reader.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Touch screens are easy to use. And if your ipod is 3 or 4 years old its 
camera probably is not good enough for knfb reader. You need a new one. A 
new ipod touch 6th gen.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 14:08
To: Josh Kennedy
Cc: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

How would I know.  I think it is an ipod touch, five I think.  I've had
it 3 or 4 years I think.  I don't use it much at all, can't get use to
touch screens.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy wrote:


Yes if the ipod has 8mp camera with flash then it will work fine.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 09:56
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I don't have an i phone, will it work with an i pod?  Not sure what
version of firmware I have.
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy via Talk
wrote:


Ok here is how you use knfb reader this is just an example.
Imagine you are a student in college. You have some paper handouts that 
you got from class that you cannot read, you also have  a print 
textbook. So how do you read it? First you unlock your android phone or 
your iPhone. Then you go into the knnfb reader app. And then you hold 
the phone a foot above the page. And then you press the field of view 
report button first making sure you are pointing the camera on the 
bottom of the phone down towards the page. Then you hit field of view 
report button you double tap it on the phone’s touch screen. You 
hear your phone say outloud with its screen reader:


All four corners of the page are visible.

Then holding the phone as steady as you can, you double tap the take 
picture button. The phone snaps a photo of the page, does OCR on the 
text, and reads the text out loud to you. And you can scan whole entire 
books very very fast with just the 8mp camera on your smartphone.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 19:18
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

But what does it do?



-Original Message-
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I have knfb reader on my android phone and it works great.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 16:03
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

And it's a fabulous OCR which is how it started. I have it on my iPhone
and can read just about anything imaginable. Think beyond a document
reader. I've read food boxes, cans, button labels and serial numbers on
gadgets, etc. It also works pretty good when you have to read your
computer screen or any other kind of display.
There's also a free one from Microsoft called seeing AI. It's useful but
doesn't compare to KNFB when it comes right down to it.
Regards,
Tom


On 11/22/2017 2:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

Yes you can read pdfs with it. It works on iPhone and android and on
windows10 devices.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 13:12
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: What is a KNFB Reader?

I see it is on sale.

Can you read PDFs with it?





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Re: Jaws 2018 disk?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Did you turn on edge support in jaws 2018?

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 8:27 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 disk?

Hi, I installed it and opened Microsoft Edge. I was able to use Edge, bot
every time I attempted to close Edge with Alt F4. The dialogue box to shut
down the PC came up and I could do nothing with it using the keyboard. My GF
clicked on the cancel button using the mouse and it worked, but using the
enter key or the spacebar did nothing on either button. Neither did the
number key and the left mouse button. ???

-Original Message- 
From: Bob Tinney via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:16 PM
To: Tony C via Talk
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 disk?

Hi,

I got my 2018 jaws disk in the mail today also.  I haven't installed it
yet, cause I'm still primarily using Window-Eyes, but I will eventually
install it on my windows 10 machines.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 11/22/2017 3:19 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, I just received a Jaws disk in the mail. It says Jaws 2018 on the 
front. Is this version for windows 10, or what? Tony C


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Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The KNFB reader will work with both a 5th and a 6th generation ipod touch.

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 7:01 AM
To: Butch Bussen ; Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

Yes if the ipod has 8mp camera with flash then it will work fine.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 09:56
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I don't have an i phone, will it work with an i pod?  Not sure what
version of firmware I have.
On Wed, 22 Nov 2017, Josh Kennedy via Talk
wrote:


Ok here is how you use knfb reader this is just an example.
Imagine you are a student in college. You have some paper handouts that 
you got from class that you cannot read, you also have  a print textbook. 
So how do you read it? First you unlock your android phone or your iPhone. 
Then you go into the knnfb reader app. And then you hold the phone a foot 
above the page. And then you press the field of view report button first 
making sure you are pointing the camera on the bottom of the phone down 
towards the page. Then you hit field of view report button you double tap 
it on the phone’s touch screen. You hear your phone say outloud with its 
screen reader:


All four corners of the page are visible.

Then holding the phone as steady as you can, you double tap the take 
picture button. The phone snaps a photo of the page, does OCR on the text, 
and reads the text out loud to you. And you can scan whole entire books 
very very fast with just the 8mp camera on your smartphone.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 19:18
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

But what does it do?



-Original Message-
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I have knfb reader on my android phone and it works great.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 16:03
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

And it's a fabulous OCR which is how it started. I have it on my iPhone
and can read just about anything imaginable. Think beyond a document
reader. I've read food boxes, cans, button labels and serial numbers on
gadgets, etc. It also works pretty good when you have to read your
computer screen or any other kind of display.
There's also a free one from Microsoft called seeing AI. It's useful but
doesn't compare to KNFB when it comes right down to it.
Regards,
Tom


On 11/22/2017 2:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

Yes you can read pdfs with it. It works on iPhone and android and on
windows10 devices.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 13:12
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: What is a KNFB Reader?

I see it is on sale.

Can you read PDFs with it?





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Re: Jaws 2018 disk?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I'm still waiting to get my jaws 2018 disk in the mail?

-Original Message- 
From: Bob Tinney via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:16 PM
To: Tony C via Talk
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: Re: Jaws 2018 disk?

Hi,

I got my 2018 jaws disk in the mail today also.  I haven't installed it
yet, cause I'm still primarily using Window-Eyes, but I will eventually
install it on my windows 10 machines.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

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Hi, I just received a Jaws disk in the mail. It says Jaws 2018 on the 
front. Is this version for windows 10, or what? Tony C


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Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Did you get a stand?  I hear using a stand makes it a lot easier when 
scanning a book etc.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 5:00 PM
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

Actually I seldom use the field of view report. It was fine when I first
got the app. But once I got used to reasonable placement of the phone
for the picture I stopped using it. Then again, I'm usually not using it
for critical reading where I need the absolute best. In that situation I
would use it. So it's not totally necessary. Just my opinion.
regards,
Tom


On 11/22/2017 7:27 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

Ok here is how you use knfb reader this is just an example.
Imagine you are a student in college. You have some paper handouts that 
you got from class that you cannot read, you also have  a print textbook. 
So how do you read it? First you unlock your android phone or your iPhone. 
Then you go into the knnfb reader app. And then you hold the phone a foot 
above the page. And then you press the field of view report button first 
making sure you are pointing the camera on the bottom of the phone down 
towards the page. Then you hit field of view report button you double tap 
it on the phone’s touch screen. You hear your phone say outloud with its 
screen reader:


All four corners of the page are visible.

Then holding the phone as steady as you can, you double tap the take 
picture button. The phone snaps a photo of the page, does OCR on the text, 
and reads the text out loud to you. And you can scan whole entire books 
very very fast with just the 8mp camera on your smartphone.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 19:18
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

But what does it do?



-Original Message-
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: What is a KNFB Reader?

I have knfb reader on my android phone and it works great.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 16:03
To: Josh Kennedy via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: What is a KNFB Reader?

And it's a fabulous OCR which is how it started. I have it on my iPhone
and can read just about anything imaginable. Think beyond a document
reader. I've read food boxes, cans, button labels and serial numbers on
gadgets, etc. It also works pretty good when you have to read your
computer screen or any other kind of display.
There's also a free one from Microsoft called seeing AI. It's useful but
doesn't compare to KNFB when it comes right down to it.
Regards,
Tom


On 11/22/2017 2:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

Yes you can read pdfs with it. It works on iPhone and android and on
windows10 devices.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 13:12
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: What is a KNFB Reader?

I see it is on sale.

Can you read PDFs with it?





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Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
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Re: window eyes instalation disk

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Yes, it's a zip file.  I unzipped it and ran setup.exe and it installed 
without any problems.


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:02 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: window eyes instalation disk

is this a zip file? a folder with the files in them etc.
you might only have to copy the files to a flash drive then find and run the
setup.exe file to install it.
even a installation disk you can copy the files to a flash drive and do the
same thing. run the setup.exe setup file.

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 9:50 AM
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Subject: window eyes instalation disk

It appears the installation copy gw micro  sent me needs to be burnt to
a disk. would someone please give me detailed instruction on how to
accomplish this task. I want the installation to begin once I insert the
disk. Thanks.
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Re: window eyes instalation disk

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   I was able to install the download version without burning it to cd.  I 
just ran the setup.exe.


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Subject: window eyes instalation disk

It appears the installation copy gw micro  sent me needs to be burnt to
a disk. would someone please give me detailed instruction on how to
accomplish this task. I want the installation to begin once I insert the
disk. Thanks.
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Re: window eyes version for win ten

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Did you contact the vfo group to see if you can buy a 9.5.4 cd or have them 
generate a downloadible version?


-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 5:58 AM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: brice Mijares
Subject: Re: window eyes version for win ten

, 9.0 is the only installation disk I have. It looks like I'm out of
luck. It's NVDA and this Damn Jaws!
 Thanks.
On 10/23/2017 9:10 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

this won't work.
you need 9.2 full system installation. then a 9.5 upgrade will install as 
a full version.
i think you could install the 9.5 by itself but it would run as a 20 
minute demo.



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To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
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Subject: window eyes version for win ten

I need to uninstall window eyes. The only installation disk I have is
version 9.0, will this work? Then I can install the latest version, I
think it was 9.4? Thanks in advance.
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Re: problem installing Windows 10 Fall Creator's update

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

My guess is, remains of old versions of window eyes are in the windows 
registry.


-Original Message- 
From: David Moore via Talk

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 2:30 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David Moore
Subject: RE: problem installing Windows 10 Fall Creator's update

Hi Rod!
Yes, there must be some traces hiding in folders. That is hard to track 
down.
The only thing I can think of now, is to do a reinstall of the Windows 
version you have, and then upgrade to Win10 1709 after that.

I had to do that once.
You can go to settings, and enter on update and security, and do a reinstall 
of Windows.
That is probably what you will have to do, because that will clean all of 
that stuff off of your computer!

Have a great one!
You will have to do a clean install, which will take all of your stuff off 
the computer, so you will have to back it up first.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 10:59 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: problem installing Windows 10 Fall Creator's update

Hi David,

Yes, this is what I did and yet Windows update still reported the presence 
of Window-Eyes 9.1 or below and 9.3.

I'm at a loss.

Thanks,

Rod

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From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of David Moore via Talk

Sent: October 18, 2017 10:11 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: David Moore 
Subject: RE: problem installing Windows 10 Fall Creator's update

Hi!
Try uninstalling Window Eyes altogether, and use Narrator to install the 
update. That really worked well for me!

Narrator gives you more information about the status of the update anyway.
That is a suggestion.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 9:36 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: problem installing Windows 10 Fall Creator's update

Hi everyone,

I checked for updates manually in my Windows 10 Home system today, and, when 
attempting to install the update I got the message that two apps would have 
to be uninstalled since they were incompatible with the update.

These were named Window-Eyes 9.1 and below and Window-Eyes 9.3.
This is quite puzzling insofar as I completely uninstalled Windo-Eyes 9.5.4 
and reinstalled it.
For one thing, I could never have installed version 9.1 on this machine 
since I got the system with Windos 10.
Okay, I began with Window-Eyes 9.2 and upgraded it along the way, but 
insofar as I completely removed  Window-Eyes 9.5.4 and then reinstalled it, 
it looks as if Windows thinks I have old Window-Eyes files hanging around.
Incidentally, just to be sure, although I had uninstalled Window-Eyes 9.5.4 
using Add/Remove Programs, I also downloaded and ran the Windo-Eyes Removal 
tool just to be certain nothing was missed.
At this point, then, I cannot move forward to install the newest edition of 
Windows 10.
I certainly can call the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk and see if they 
can fix it.
However, I was just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience to 
mine.


Thanks,

Rod
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Re: help and info

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

You'll find it in appdata\local\temp

-Original Message- 
From: Bernie Perella via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 9:05 AM
To: Larry Higgins via Talk
Cc: Bernie Perella
Subject: Re: help and info

Hi Larry,  Actually, I had been running WE for office and each of the
download files I still have were for We for office.  I am not sure how
to get the WE for office complete install.  However, thanks to those on
this list, I diduse the We control panel and asked to check for
updates.  Sure enough I got the message that WE 9.5.4 was available and
so I have just installed it.  Strange thing, though, I can't find the
download in my downloads folder. Anyone on this list have an idea where
the download file might be hiding.


On 10/17/2017 10:09 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:

Bernie, Have you considered downloading the WE for Office program, and
just starting over, more or less? That might give you a new lease on
life, as it pertains to Window-Eyes anyway.


Just a thought,


Larry


On 10/17/2017 8:54 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Bernie,

Some time back, even those of us who had a full install of 9.5.4 had
to upgrae to a new version with the same number due to the fact that
the software certificate had expired.
I assume that your version of 9.2 would have the same certificate and
so this would explain the error message.
At this point, your best solution is to move to NVDA, just as I have
when Window-Eyes doesn't work for me.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk
Sent: October 17, 2017 4:33 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Bernie Perella 
Subject: help and info

Hi,  I have a Toshiba Satellite 2 in 1 laptop running the latest version
of Windows and WE 9.5.4.  Sometime ago, my system began to be more
unstable and I was having a number of issues with WE. After researching
the issue, I concluded that my computer had a virus or a piece of
malfunctioning hardware.  After exhausting as many possible solutions
that I knew, I finally did a Windows reset during which many apps,
including WE were uninstalled.  After the reset, I tried using the
downloaded file for WE 9.2 but when I tried to eecute it, I got an error
indicating that the certificate was blocked by an administrator.  I have
an admin account on my system so I am not sure who the administrator
would be.  In the meantime, I used Narrator only to discover that things
hadn't improved very much.  I contacted the MS disabilities desk and
after much discussion, they advised that I do a windows repair. they
helped me through the process.  Before doing it, the MS rep attempted to
install the We 9.2 and even though the same error occurred, WE 9.2  did
install.  After the repair, when WE 9.2 starts, I get a hooking error
and the error window isn't easy to close.  I remember that this hooking
error issue was discussed but since I haven't yet restored my back
emails, I am asking for help with it and with the certificate problem.
Like many on here, I realize that the other company isn't helping very
much so thought I would tap the knowledge base on this list. Thanks in
advance. BP

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Re: Window Eyes still works in Fall Creator

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Later in the day I did a check for updates and was able to update to the 
fall update.  I also updated jawsto beta 3 to work with edge.


-Original Message- 
From: joseph.nor...@gmail.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 11:33 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: 'Russ Kiehne'
Subject: RE: Window Eyes still works in Fall Creator

Hi:

I, too am using Windows Fall Creator's update with WE 9.5.4.  I did a fresh
install with the iso file copied to a usb stick using the universal usb
installer from pendrivelinux.com.

As for the checking for updates, Microsoft is not updating everyone all at
once.  It should happen over the next couple days.  If anyone wants to
download an iso file, try this link for a 64-bit download--it'll work for
about 22 hours from now:

https://software-download.microsoft.com/pr/Win10_1709_English_x64.iso?t=6feb
8616-5840-4baf-9388-538ff0e2201b=1508416623=553c4b56fd023b4235d149869f9b
3fb0




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 9:28 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Window Eyes still works in Fall Creator

I just checked for updates and I was told my device is up to date?  How did
you do the update.  Thanks for letting us know that window eyes will work
with the update.

-Original Message-
From: loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 1:56 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: loy
Subject: Window Eyes still works in Fall Creator

Just upgraded to the Windows 10 Fall Creater and Window Eyes is still
working.
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Re: help and info

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

From the sound of things, you are out of luck on getting a window eyes 9.5.4 

downloadible cd download.  It looks like you'll have to use jaws or nvda.

-Original Message- 
From: Bernie Perella via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 2:49 PM
To: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Cc: Bernie Perella
Subject: Re: help and info

Hi Alusegun,

Thanks for your note.  I have a

ready tried that as well.  No luck.  Two other things.  First, do you
remember when We users had to install an authorization file before
running We.  If I am not mistaken, that started with WE version 9 but I
am not sure.  I have the authorization downloads on my system but when
attempting to run them, I get the same certificate blocked error.  As of
now, We is running but in the past hour or so, I have encountered a WE
error every time I try to do a search using the seartch bar in Chrome.
And, second, speaking of chrome,  I sent you a note a couple of months
ago indicating that, I like you, am gifving Android a try.  I have both
an Android phone and tablet and am making really good progress.  If
things continue to go well, I will commit to it fully and will not go to
that other windows screen readere.  I wondered how you are doing.  Bernie
On 10/17/2017 5:33 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
wrote:

Hi Bernie:

I'm no expert, but may be this might help.  How about running the install 
as

an administrator?  To do this, find the executable file of the app in
question, in this case, Window-Eyes.  When it gets focus, don't press the
 yet to begin the install.  Instead, press the applications key,
arrow down to locate Run as Administrator and press .  Now begin 
the

installation process.

The above has worked for me using Windows7.  I hope it carries over to
Windows10.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Window Eyes still works in Fall Creator

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I just checked for updates and I was told my device is up to date?  How did 
you do the update.  Thanks for letting us know that window eyes will work 
with the update.


-Original Message- 
From: loy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 1:56 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: loy
Subject: Window Eyes still works in Fall Creator

Just upgraded to the Windows 10 Fall Creater and Window Eyes is still
working.
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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

You have to go into wlm settings and turn on spell check.

-Original Message- 
From: peter Chin

Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 3:25 AM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Using Window-Eyes 9.5.4, I find that I  can access most of WLM accept for
the fact that for some unknown reason, my spellcheck is disabled and I don't
know how to enable it.
-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 9:48 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

IN my case, window eyes works a lot better than nvda in windows live mail.
The tripletalk usb addon for nvda doesn't support indexing.

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Jacobson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:06 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

If we are going to be fair about this discussion, VFO can't just throw the
Window-Eyes code into JAWS.  I also think it is reasonable to keep in mind
the fact that they really wanted ZoomText so probably didn't give a lot of
thought about Window-Eyes.  It's likely nobody cried at VFO over the idea of
Window-Eyes being discontinued, and I think Freedom Scientific's lawsuits
were unjustified and clearly a means to crush competition.  However, a case
can easily be made that NVDA did quite a lot to cut into business that would
have gone to Window-Eyes as well.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing
NVDA, it wasn't their intent, but a good free screen reader cut into
perspective Window-Eyes customers more than JAWS customers because
Window-Eyes had worked hard to work with customers on a budget.  The Office
offer, the Lease to Own approach, and the slightly lower price was aimed at
individuals rather than agencies.  As nice as those programs were, it was
easier for many of those people to go to NVDA which has become a respectable
screen reader.

It is really hard these days to make a claim that any screen reader is the
best.  It depends so much upon on how one uses it.  I have moved to JAWS
because there are programs that I use at work for which JAWS works well, as
did Window-Eyes, but where NVDA did not work well.  There are still things
about Window-Eyes that I like better, but I am getting used to the different
way JAWS handles certain things.  Certainly, many people will find that NVDA
does everything they need.  I find JAWS more responsive in some instances,
but that isn't going to be important to everybody.  In short, certainly I
will continue to miss some of the things that Window-Eyes did, but one can
manage to make the change if one has to.  What I hope to never forget are
the people who were behind Window-Eyes, the developers and the customer
support people.  I will always believe that if finances and market pressures
would have been different than what they were and if Window-Eyes had gotten
a few breaks along the way, Window-Eyes would have emerged as the superior
screen reader.

We are in a changing environment.  JAWS is going to have to change some if
NVDA continues to gain strength and if Microsoft continues to make
improvements to Narrator.  It costs somebody a good deal of money to keep
screen readers stable and up-to-date, whether it is SMA's donations, or
corporate funding in the case of Microsoft.  Those who say NVDA is free are
not being honest with themselves.  It means someone else is paying for their
ability to have a free screen reader, even if there is some voluntary
efforts involved.  We should be thankful this is the case but we need to
also be aware of it.  I used Window-Eyes on the job for almost twenty years,
and some have used JAWS longer.  To work efficiently in an employment
setting, one needs a very stable program, and changes cut into ones
productivity.  I am some concerned about what will be happening over the
next five or ten years, because I don't think we have finished with changes
to access technology.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

I think reserving
Judgment until after the jaws 2018 cycle is complete and jaws2019 is out.
You don't know what they have planned for the year.  They may have had the
first features planned for a while possible before the got window Eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Adkins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:41 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Charles Adkins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

let me make one

Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Great, it sounds like window eyes should work.  I'll find out by the end of 
next week.  I'll probably install it using the windows 10 ;upgrade 
assistant.


-Original Message- 
From: joseph.nor...@gmail.com

Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 6:26 AM
To: 'Russ Kiehne' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Hi:

This is insider build 16299, the Windows version is 1709.  If they don't
make any significant changes in the kernel, it should still give you some
functionality with Window-Eyes.


-Original Message-
From: Russ Kiehne [mailto:russ94...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:12 AM
To: joseph.nor...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Next week  Windows 10 Fall Creator's Edition, version 1709 will be released.

Is that the version you now have?

-Original Message-
From: joseph.nor...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: 'Russ Kiehne'
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Hi Russ and listers:

All I can say is that I am running window-eyes with the latest Windows 10
Insider build 16299 and no major problems.

There are a couple issues where WE doesn't seem to read the screen when
reviewing it.  WE 9.54 still browses the Web ok, for the most part.

Once the Fall Creator's update comes out, it will be easier to figure out
what's still working and what no longer works well.  For a while, even with
the regular build of Windows 10, WE stopped working with MicroSoft's Mail
program for Windows.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Speaking of Window Eyes, does anyone happen to know if it will work with
next weeks release of windows 10 fall update?

-Original Message-
From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

because f s had all the money to throw around to permote there products  and
to businesses and schools. few even heard of window eyes and were not
willing to use a product they never heard of. if they knew window eyes
worked most of the time right out of the box without scripts years ago they
would of dropped jaws in a heart beat. they could of saved thousands of
dollars because they would not of had to pay script righters to get there
software working.

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even some
here, who swear by Jaws?  They can't all be ignorant, can they?
What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues and
some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on Jaws.  Of
course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving the overall
stability of each reader.

On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:

Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Next week  Windows 10 Fall Creator's Edition, version 1709 will be released. 
Is that the version you now have?


-Original Message- 
From: joseph.nor...@gmail.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: 'Russ Kiehne'
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Hi Russ and listers:

All I can say is that I am running window-eyes with the latest Windows 10
Insider build 16299 and no major problems.

There are a couple issues where WE doesn't seem to read the screen when
reviewing it.  WE 9.54 still browses the Web ok, for the most part.

Once the Fall Creator's update comes out, it will be easier to figure out
what's still working and what no longer works well.  For a while, even with
the regular build of Windows 10, WE stopped working with MicroSoft's Mail
program for Windows.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+joseph.norton=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Speaking of Window Eyes, does anyone happen to know if it will work with
next weeks release of windows 10 fall update?

-Original Message-
From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

because f s had all the money to throw around to permote there products  and
to businesses and schools. few even heard of window eyes and were not
willing to use a product they never heard of. if they knew window eyes
worked most of the time right out of the box without scripts years ago they
would of dropped jaws in a heart beat. they could of saved thousands of
dollars because they would not of had to pay script righters to get there
software working.

-Original Message-
From: Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even some
here, who swear by Jaws?  They can't all be ignorant, can they?
What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues and
some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on Jaws.  Of
course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving the overall
stability of each reader.

On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:

Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

IN my case, window eyes works a lot better than nvda in windows live mail. 
The tripletalk usb addon for nvda doesn't support indexing.


-Original Message- 
From: Steve Jacobson via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:06 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

If we are going to be fair about this discussion, VFO can't just throw the
Window-Eyes code into JAWS.  I also think it is reasonable to keep in mind
the fact that they really wanted ZoomText so probably didn't give a lot of
thought about Window-Eyes.  It's likely nobody cried at VFO over the idea of
Window-Eyes being discontinued, and I think Freedom Scientific's lawsuits
were unjustified and clearly a means to crush competition.  However, a case
can easily be made that NVDA did quite a lot to cut into business that would
have gone to Window-Eyes as well.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing
NVDA, it wasn't their intent, but a good free screen reader cut into
perspective Window-Eyes customers more than JAWS customers because
Window-Eyes had worked hard to work with customers on a budget.  The Office
offer, the Lease to Own approach, and the slightly lower price was aimed at
individuals rather than agencies.  As nice as those programs were, it was
easier for many of those people to go to NVDA which has become a respectable
screen reader.

It is really hard these days to make a claim that any screen reader is the
best.  It depends so much upon on how one uses it.  I have moved to JAWS
because there are programs that I use at work for which JAWS works well, as
did Window-Eyes, but where NVDA did not work well.  There are still things
about Window-Eyes that I like better, but I am getting used to the different
way JAWS handles certain things.  Certainly, many people will find that NVDA
does everything they need.  I find JAWS more responsive in some instances,
but that isn't going to be important to everybody.  In short, certainly I
will continue to miss some of the things that Window-Eyes did, but one can
manage to make the change if one has to.  What I hope to never forget are
the people who were behind Window-Eyes, the developers and the customer
support people.  I will always believe that if finances and market pressures
would have been different than what they were and if Window-Eyes had gotten
a few breaks along the way, Window-Eyes would have emerged as the superior
screen reader.

We are in a changing environment.  JAWS is going to have to change some if
NVDA continues to gain strength and if Microsoft continues to make
improvements to Narrator.  It costs somebody a good deal of money to keep
screen readers stable and up-to-date, whether it is SMA's donations, or
corporate funding in the case of Microsoft.  Those who say NVDA is free are
not being honest with themselves.  It means someone else is paying for their
ability to have a free screen reader, even if there is some voluntary
efforts involved.  We should be thankful this is the case but we need to
also be aware of it.  I used Window-Eyes on the job for almost twenty years,
and some have used JAWS longer.  To work efficiently in an employment
setting, one needs a very stable program, and changes cut into ones
productivity.  I am some concerned about what will be happening over the
next five or ten years, because I don't think we have finished with changes
to access technology.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:31 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Dennis Long 
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

I think reserving
Judgment until after the jaws 2018 cycle is complete and jaws2019 is out.
You don't know what they have planned for the year.  They may have had the
first features planned for a while possible before the got window Eyes.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Adkins via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:41 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Charles Adkins
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

let me make one thing clear, I am not bitter. I am not sure about what merge
is being talked about, Window-eyes was dropped, not merged with Jaws. My
point was Vfo had the chance to retain the best of Window-eyes and jaws in
both technology and people and produce one hell of a screen reader unlike
anything the world has ever seen and they chose not to do that, they just
trashed their "compeditor" completely like they never existed.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 11, 2017, at 5:05 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk

 wrote:


Hi Josh,

As for Office support in NVDA, as I am subscribed to Office 365, and
will

be for the  foreseeable future, I will be using NVDA 

Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

How does it compare to jaws?

-Original Message- 
From: David Moore via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:45 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David Moore
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Hi guys!
Another paid screen reader is System Access from SeroTech!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Tony, the death of Window-Eyes is what has gotten me to elect to abandon
Windows completely and move everything over to both an Android tablet and a
smartphone!  I am a tad slow learning my tablet, but I will keep on with it
until I beat it to submission.  Business reasons also slow my move because a
new app I am in the process of deploying only works on Windows.  I hope that
before full deployment of the Windows app in question, I shall have found an
Android equivalent.

Window-Eyes kept me somewhat reasonably gainfully employed forever; where
Jaws had failed miserably, Window-Eyes came to the rescue like nothing ever
happened.  I miss the likes of Mr. Solomon, Mr. Curry and several others who
always found a magic wand to get things going for me when trouble struck.
If GW Micro had died a slow death, perhaps the pain can somewhat be
ameliorated.  To me, the cancer ate into the core and bone marrow of GW
Micro fast and furious.  Malignant does not even describe how worst this one
cancer was.  The sudden resignation of Mr. Weirich pretty much confirmed far
more than I wanted to know.

It has been said that there are two other screen readers besides the shark:
Supernova I think I know--it's from England, but what's the second one
besides NVDA?  I'm talking about a commercially available screen reader, not
any of the free incarnations!  I don't believe that Supernova gained too
much traction here in the United States, but it's still out there.  I'm not
certain it has sufficient traction at its home base either; I think Jaws
made pretty good inroads there as well!  Window-Eyes did pull some weight in
Supernova land, but that's old news now.

Oh well, cling onto your Android and iOS toys!  Jaws may someday become a
virus on them; may be not exactly on iOS, but possibly on Android because of
its openness!  The next 5 to 10 years should be pretty exciting for screen
readers and its many users.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Well, you have next year to get jaws for $125.00 and a sma for $120.00 
during the ACB and NFB conventions.


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; ukekearu...@valtdnet.com
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

they also need to make that $120 full copy of jaws for people on fixed
incomes, something publically available on their website.


On 10/10/2017 7:07 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:
Hi, Yes, I know. I do believe however that since they killed WE, they 
really need to focus hard on making Jaws work with alll the different 
programs that WE did/does. There's a few things that Jaws does better than 
WE, but there's quite a bit that WE does better than Jaws. I'm getting 
used to Jaws, but I still find myself going back to WE for a lot of 
things. I'm gonna be sad when WE no longer works.


-Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. 
via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:14 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Tony, I seriously doubt that the law against monopoly apply in the access
technology industry.  If it does, it is a bit too late now.  GW Micro is
gone and I doubt if it can be revived.  Besides, who truly want to spend
endless hours in court?  GW Micro went through that once, and I don't
believe Doug wants to come out of hiding to try again.

As I once opined, that which Freedom Scientific DID NOT win in the courts,
it got back by a series of tricks and arm twisting.  Its aim and objective
had been to figure out a way of running GW Micro into the ground as it did
FreedomBox, now SeroTech!

The two elephants had a good fight, the ground got terribly too hot, and 
the

weak one threw up its hands and walked away accepting defeat.

Anyway, back to my quest for complete and full deployment of Android!

Sincerely,m
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

By chance, would you happen to have a Tutorial for using Microsoft Edge 
Browser with jaws?


-Original Message- 
From: David Moore via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David Moore
Subject: RE: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Tom!
I use Chrome all of the time! It is easier to use, much faster at 
downloading files, and streaming media. It is very accessible. I can send 
you a tutorial on using the Chrome browser!

David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Kevin Huber
Subject: Re: Chrome, was: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi Tom:

I find that I am using it more and more often these days.
Give it a try!  You might be pleasantly surprised.


On 10/2/17, Tom Kingston via Talk  wrote:

Has anyone given Chrome a serious look? I've never even tried it. So I'm
curious as to whether I should even bother.

Thanks,
Tom

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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Speaking of Window Eyes, does anyone happen to know if it will work with 
next weeks release of windows 10 fall update?


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:51 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

because f s had all the money to throw around to permote there products  and 
to
businesses and schools. few even heard of window eyes and were not willing 
to
use a product they never heard of. if they knew window eyes worked most of 
the
time right out of the box without scripts years ago they would of dropped 
jaws

in a heart beat. they could of saved thousands of dollars because they would
not of had to pay script righters to get there software working.

-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Nick Sarames
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

While I believe what you say, why are there so many Jaws users, even
some here, who swear by Jaws?  They can't all be ignorant, can they?
What I am guessing is happening is, each screen reader has its issues
and some websites work better on WE, and other websites work better on
Jaws.  Of course, that is a separate issue from other issues involving
the overall stability of each reader.

On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:

Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Have you tried edge with jaws as of yet?

I've been playing around with it.

Window eyes does work a lot better with windows live mail.

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck Adkins via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 5:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Chuck Adkins
Subject: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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Re: My SMA purchase experience

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   For the time being, I'll continue to use windows live mail 2012.  It's 
free!


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk

Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 1:34 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Subject: RE: My SMA purchase experience

Russ, the monthly subscription, if memory serves, is about $9.99!  It adds
up quickly after six months to a year!  And Micro$ won't stop laughing all
the way to the bank.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: My SMA purchase experience

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

How much does it cost to subscribe to Office 365?  AT this point in time, I 
would only use outlook.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 7:59 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: My SMA purchase experience

Hi Russ,

When you ask whether you have to buy Outlook, my reply is, yes, but you are 
best to subscribe to Office 365 since, this way, you are receiving 
continuous accessibility updates.


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: October 5, 2017 10:04 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com; Joseph Norton <joseph.nor...@gmail.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: My SMA purchase experience

AT present, I’m still using windows live mail 2012.  With jaws it doesn’t 
say replied to, forwarded attachment like window eyes when arrowing up and 
down the message list.  It’s my understanding you have to buy outlook?


From: Joseph Norton
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:05 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: My SMA purchase experience

Hi Russ:



It works tolerably well.



There are a few weirdnesses, like JAWS not reading when trying to edit in 
the to:, cc:, or bcc: field.




Outlook may work just a little more smoothly with JAWS, and JAWS has more 
configuration options, like automatic reading when opening messages with 
Outlook.




Windows mail automatically reads the first few lines of a message, making it 
easier to tell whether I want to press Enter on that message.  I usually 
disable the conversation view, and, but, it does work ok with it.




One way outlook is more configurable is that I can set outlook to 
automatically open the next message or the previous message (which I use, 
because Outlook shows messages newest first).




With the beta of JAWS, it isn’t reading messages in Mail correctly—it reads 
the first message you open, then, when you open the next, it still wants to 
read the first message you opened.




Hopefully, they’ll fix this—it’s been reported enough.



Cheers.









Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Russ Kiehne
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:54 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Joseph Norton
Subject: Re: My SMA purchase experience



I see you are using windows mail for windows 10?  How well does it work with

jaws?



-Original Message- 


From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 12:50 PM

To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com

Cc: Joseph Norton

Subject: My SMA purchase experience



Hi listers:



This is the first (and probably only) time I get to use an SMA, but, I took

the plunge and ordered it.



I have to say VFO is pretty quick when upgrading to an SMA.  I ordered it

yesterday and within a few minutes, the activation server showed the change

to version 18.0 plus 2.



This certainly seems quicker than the migration purchases.



One has to wonder why the migration purchases  couldn't be executed in the

same amount of time.



Anyway, I am covered for the next 2 years, if needed.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



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Re: My SMA purchase experience

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

AT present, I’m still using windows live mail 2012.  With jaws it doesn’t say 
replied to, forwarded attachment like window eyes when arrowing up and down the 
message list.  It’s my understanding you have to buy outlook?

From: Joseph Norton 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:05 AM
To: Russ Kiehne ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
Subject: RE: My SMA purchase experience

Hi Russ:

 

It works tolerably well.

 

There are a few weirdnesses, like JAWS not reading when trying to edit in the 
to:, cc:, or bcc: field.

 

Outlook may work just a little more smoothly with JAWS, and JAWS has more 
configuration options, like automatic reading when opening messages with 
Outlook.

 

Windows mail automatically reads the first few lines of a message, making it 
easier to tell whether I want to press Enter on that message.  I usually 
disable the conversation view, and, but, it does work ok with it.  

 

One way outlook is more configurable is that I can set outlook to automatically 
open the next message or the previous message (which I use, because Outlook 
shows messages newest first).

 

With the beta of JAWS, it isn’t reading messages in Mail correctly—it reads the 
first message you open, then, when you open the next, it still wants to read 
the first message you opened.

 

Hopefully, they’ll fix this—it’s been reported enough.

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Russ Kiehne
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:54 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Joseph Norton
Subject: Re: My SMA purchase experience

 

I see you are using windows mail for windows 10?  How well does it work with 

jaws?

 

-Original Message- 

From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 12:50 PM

To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com

Cc: Joseph Norton

Subject: My SMA purchase experience

 

Hi listers:

 

This is the first (and probably only) time I get to use an SMA, but, I took 

the plunge and ordered it.

 

I have to say VFO is pretty quick when upgrading to an SMA.  I ordered it 

yesterday and within a few minutes, the activation server showed the change 

to version 18.0 plus 2.

 

This certainly seems quicker than the migration purchases.

 

One has to wonder why the migration purchases  couldn't be executed in the 

same amount of time.

 

Anyway, I am covered for the next 2 years, if needed.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

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Re: My SMA purchase experience

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I see you are using windows mail for windows 10?  How well does it work with 
jaws?


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 12:50 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Joseph Norton
Subject: My SMA purchase experience

Hi listers:

This is the first (and probably only) time I get to use an SMA, but, I took 
the plunge and ordered it.


I have to say VFO is pretty quick when upgrading to an SMA.  I ordered it 
yesterday and within a few minutes, the activation server showed the change 
to version 18.0 plus 2.


This certainly seems quicker than the migration purchases.

One has to wonder why the migration purchases  couldn't be executed in the 
same amount of time.


Anyway, I am covered for the next 2 years, if needed.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It's my understanding that windows 10 creators fall edition will be released 
this month?  The big test will be will window eyes work with it?


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 4:12 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Tony C
Subject: Re: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Yep! I've noticed that everytime Windows updates that WE develops more and
more glitches. It's becoming less and less useable.

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 8:54 PM
To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Unfortunately I don't think you can do much.  This is what will happen more
and more with WE.  Jaws updated to fix  a firefox release.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:37 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Matthew Chao
Subject: Firefox Updated and Unable to Navigate

Hi, any Window-Eyes Users Still Out There.  I just updated Firefox, and when
I try to navigate with MSAA mode on, I just get a ding where before I could
go up and down the page.  How can I change it so it works?  What
happened?--Matthew Chao.
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Re: Deck talk fixed in Jaws 18 latest version

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It also fixed the issue I was having with my tripletalk usb.  I also turned 
on edge support and have been playing with it.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 4:41 PM
To: windoweyesus...@groups.io
Cc: Dennis Long ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Deck talk fixed in Jaws 18 latest version

. Resolved a customer reported issue where changes to voice profile settings
were not being honored for the DECTalk USB hardware synthesizer.



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Re: low cost jaws it does exist

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

As it turns out, I ended up buying Jaws for $125.00 and a sma for $100 
during the ACB convention back in July.


-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:14 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Joseph Norton
Subject: RE: low cost jaws it does exist

I did post everything I could find on the Web.

The program has not essentially changed since then.

Here’s where I got my information:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/content/documents/other/CSUN/Freedom%20Scientific%20Home%20Use%20Program%20-%20CSUN%202016.pptx

You need PowerPoint to read it—I converted it so you listers could read it.

Hope this helps.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:19 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: low cost jaws it does exist

Perhaps if someone can post the full details about this program on this
list, it would sure help answer many questions?

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:02 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: low cost jaws it does exist

I am not sure. call VFO talk to Hal, and ask him. his extension is 1101.



On 9/14/2017 10:44 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

Hi:
Is it available internationally?
Kevin Huber

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

hello


I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
exist. get more info by calling:

1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


This news is very exciting! in a year or so my son will probably be
doing more advances stuff with microsoft office and Jaws will probably
be needed because it works good with that office suite. I am glad that
low cost jaws really exists.


Josh


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Re: low cost jaws it does exist

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Perhaps if someone can post the full details about this program on this 
list, it would sure help answer many questions?


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:02 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: low cost jaws it does exist

I am not sure. call VFO talk to Hal, and ask him. his extension is 1101.



On 9/14/2017 10:44 AM, Kevin Huber via Talk wrote:

Hi:
Is it available internationally?
Kevin Huber

On 9/14/17, Josh Kennedy via Talk  wrote:

hello


I just talked to Hal from VFO. He called me and left me a message.
Anyway he told me about a program that VFO already has in place for
people who need low-cost jaws. He told me this is a special program and
for some reason its not advertised on their website but he said he would
make a note to at least get information about it posted up there. So
here is what he said. For people who cannot afford jaws, you call in and
through this jaws affordability program for $125 you get jaws home
version with 0 smas. But if you pay $225 you get jaws home version with
two smas. When I am done with Christmas and stuff I'm gunna take
advantage of this for sure! I also suggested to hal about a program to
activate jaws on a monthly basis, $225 comes down to $12 per month. He
said he would make a note of that also. So yes folks low cost jaws does
exist. get more info by calling:

1-800-444-4443 extension 1101


This news is very exciting! in a year or so my son will probably be
doing more advances stuff with microsoft office and Jaws will probably
be needed because it works good with that office suite. I am glad that
low cost jaws really exists.


Josh


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Re: Window-Eyes error messages

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It will be interesting to find out if Window Eyes will work with next 
month's release of windows 10 creators fall edition?


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Kingston via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:20 PM
To: Ian Westerland via Talk
Cc: Tom Kingston
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes error messages

What error messages are you getting?
I'm running Window-Eyes 9.5.4 on Windows 10 Pro 64 with the Creators
update and haven't seen any.

Regards,
Tom


On 9/13/2017 5:21 PM, Ian Westerland via Talk wrote:
Hello everyone.  I am noticing many more error messages when Window=Eyes 
opens.  This does not seem to be associatedd with anything in particular. 
The same response reports are still there so, even though I know there 
won't be a response, I am still sending them.
Of course, this is going to happen with a lack of support and is therefore 
expected.


Window-Eyes still functions so I continue to use it.

Cheers.


Ian Westerland



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Re: window-eyes open source?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Here's some thing I noticed about NVDA.  When arrowing up and down the 
message list in windows live mail 2012, NVDA doesn't say things like replied 
to, forwarded, attachment like window eyes.


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:05 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?

yes, and as far as donating I would rather donate my money to the NVDA
project rather than giving it to VFO and spend money on tons of jaws
bells and whistles I'll mostly never use.



On 9/10/2017 6:54 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
NVDA is not far from being as good as JAWS and  I can see it happening 
that people will download the free program instead of paying hundreds of 
dollars for a very similar program.

   - Original Message -
   From: Josh Kennedy via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Josh Kennedy
   Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 4:23 PM
   Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?


   Why couldn't it happen?



   On 9/10/2017 3:47 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
   > I don't see that happening.
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk

   > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:08 PM
   > To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Cc: Josh Kennedy
   > Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?
   >
   > I wonder what VFO would do if NVDA starting eating into their 
business profits? If free open source NVDA would become way more popular 
than jaws and would still be open source?

   >
   >
   >
   >
   > On 9/10/2017 2:54 AM, David wrote:
   >> Matter of fact, this question was raised a couple of days after the
   >> anouncement of the discontinued development of WinEyes. I will get
   >> back to what Doug said back then. First of all, let's take a quick 
look at facts.

   >>
   >> Had it been as easy as WinEyes would have been a stand-alone 
software,
   >> with all its coding done 'in-house', things would have been pretty 
easy.

   >> And had it been that Doug and Dan had been the only ones to develop
   >> the software, they could have decided whatever they wanted.
   >>
   >> Things are not that easy!
   >> First of all, what doug pointed out, was that to get the better
   >> functionality of WinEyes, they had to reach certain agreements 
with -

   >> for instance Adobe - to get access to third-party software, kind of
   >> behind the scene. If they open-sourced the code, now these 
techniques

   >> might be disclosed to the public, threatening the products of the
   >> third-party manufacturer. In turn, this of course would lead to
   >> people, not working on assistive technology at all, to get hold of 
the
   >> key for the backdoor of - say Adobe's reader - and use it for 
unwanted

   >> activity, or even malware development.
   >>
   >> Secondly, WinEyes had a feature of offering you loads of apps. Many 
of

   >> them are open-sourced, but WinEyes holds a chance for the app
   >> developer to cryptize his code, for protecting against peekers. This
   >> was a benefit, for instance when the app has to access a server, and
   >> maybe even use some login credencials, to perform the activity.
   >> Without me knowing for sure, we could think of an app like
   >> WeatherOrNot, which has to access a server, retrieve weather 
details, and process them for you.

   >> Now if the developer has reached a given agreement with the
   >> weather-server provider, that his app will gain free access, under 
the

   >> condition of not disclosing the login credencials, we are in trouble
   >> in open-sourcing WinEyes. By doing so, we would disclose the
   >> cryptizing code, opening up for people to break the cryptized code 
of

   >> the app, get to the credencials, and then misuse it.
   >>
   >> Part of the agreement GW made with their app developers, by 
providing
   >> the cryptizing feature, was to keep the app code an enclosed 
program.
   >> They might get into legal issues, should they disclose the 
cryptizer,
   >> thereby lay bare the very code of the app developer, who in turn 
might

   >> sue GW for breaking the agreement. This is kind of backed up, by a
   >> message Doug posted several years back, when someone claimed they 
had

   >> broken the cryptizer.
   >>
   >> Furthermore, it has been confirmed from Aaron, that some of the apps
   >> directly from GW, like AppGet, do hold credencials for accessing the
   >> servers of GW. It is unlikely that they want to have these 
credencials

   >> open-sourced. In particular so, if you remember the attack someone
   >> gave them a few years back, when the code of the GWToolkit was 
hacked,
   >> and gave many a WinEyes user quite a shock the morning they turned 
on

   >> their computer, and got a threatening message on their screen.
   >>
   >> Mind you, GW got into a cooperation with Microsoft, when they
   >> introduced the 

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I just wished that NVDA would support indexing when using the tripletalk 
with it.


-Original Message- 
From: Sky Mundell via Talk

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:34 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Sky Mundell
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

I can assure you that that is on the list of things for NVAccess.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:11 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to really
hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would make an NVDA
addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client support.


On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
   - Original Message -
   From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Russ Kiehne
   Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


   Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the
   public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.

   -Original Message-
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

   Thanks, Carol.

   That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about

distributing

   Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
   Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
   Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do

so.


   Best,

   Rod

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk
   [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf

   Of Carol and Roger via Talk
   Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   Hi Rod,

   Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
   still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
   be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
   may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
   continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
   distributed.

   Carol


   On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
   > Hi Russ and all,
   >
   > As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you

install

   > Window-Eyes.
   > Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread
   > seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes,

I

   > think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
   >
   > Hth,
   >
   > Rod
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
   > Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
   > Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   > Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's

the

   > serial number that matters.
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Carol and Roger via Talk
   > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Cc: Carol and Roger
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
   > the name and any other information that is asked for during

installation

   > would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your

copy

   > and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still

be

   > a demo copy.
   >
   >
   > On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
   >> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person

would

   >> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't

this

   >> correct?
   >>
   >> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
   >>
   >>   wrote:
   >>> Hi Loy,
   >>>
   >>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would

be

   >>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it

was

   >>> no longer being developed.
   >>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
   >>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
 

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It's my understanding there is a NVDA list?  Has anyone on that list ask 
about a addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client 
support?


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

NVDA just needs network and citrix support and it will be able to really
hurt the sales of jaws. It would be great if someone would make an NVDA
addon to give NVDA citrix and network installation server client support.


On 9/10/2017 9:29 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

It would hurt the sales of JAWS.
   - Original Message -
   From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Russ Kiehne
   Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 9:23 AM
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes


   Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the
   public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.

   -Original Message-
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

   Thanks, Carol.

   That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about 
distributing

   Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
   Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with
   Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do 
so.


   Best,

   Rod

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk
   [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

   Of Carol and Roger via Talk
   Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   Hi Rod,

   Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
   still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
   be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
   may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
   continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
   distributed.

   Carol


   On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
   > Hi Russ and all,
   >
   > As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you 
install

   > Window-Eyes.
   > Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread
   > seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, 
I

   > think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.
   >
   > Hth,
   >
   > Rod
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Talk
   > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
   > Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
   > Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   > Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's 
the

   > serial number that matters.
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Carol and Roger via Talk
   > Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
   > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   > Cc: Carol and Roger
   > Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes
   >
   > Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
   > the name and any other information that is asked for during 
installation
   > would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your 
copy
   > and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still 
be

   > a demo copy.
   >
   >
   > On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
   >> If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person 
would
   >> still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't 
this

   >> correct?
   >>
   >> On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]
   >>
   >>   wrote:
   >>> Hi Loy,
   >>>
   >>> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would 
be
   >>> okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it 
was

   >>> no longer being developed.
   >>> I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
   >>> infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.
   >>>
   >>> Thanks,
   >>>
   >>> Rod
   >>>
   >>> -Original Message-
   >>> From: Talk
   >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

   >>> Beha

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Did you ask the NVDA developers about adding  network installs and 
citrix support?


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 6:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

thing is they can't kill window eyes as long as people choose to use it.
and if people keep sharing and passing it around then it won't die. if
NVDA can only get network installs and citrix support it'll really cut
into the jaws profits.



On 9/9/2017 9:20 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
Businesses buy other businesses every day to either kill the competition 
or incorporate the technology into their own product lines. VFO bought AI 
Squared to kill Window-Eyes and replace their bad screen magnification 
program with the best selling ZoomText.


On 9/9/2017 9:11 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:
when stuff is no longer supported it should really be open source 
otherwise it will be lost to time.


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread 
seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I 
think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person 
would

still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

  wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it 
was

no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
- Original Message -
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


Hi Loy,

If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can 
get a

downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
  - Original Message -
  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


  And then after installation of WE how about the online 
activation?


  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: aad leeflang
  Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

  ok

Re: window-eyes open source?

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Perhaps someone in side the vfo group can leak the source code.  This is 
what happened several years back with the telegard bbs software.  It became 
renegade!


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Kennedy via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 6:19 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: Re: window-eyes open source?

if I no longer cared about the product then yes I probably would turn
around and just open source it. if the product was no longer supported
by my business I'd just tell people do what you want with it, we moved
on. take it apart, open source it, whatever. we do not care.



On 9/9/2017 9:14 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
No. Think about it. If you were in business and bought your number one 
competitor would you turn around and give it away for someone else to 
continue its development?



On 9/9/2017 9:01 PM, Josh Kennedy via Talk wrote:

hi

Is there any possibility since window eyes is no longer supported to get 
the window-eyes source code make it open source and put it up on the 
github website? then other developers could keep developing window eyes.




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Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Why doesn't the vfo group put out a working copy of window eyes in the 
public domain?  This is what Freedom Scientific did with jaws for dos.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 11:33 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Thanks, Carol.

That's what I assume, and so why I'm counselling caution about distributing 
Window-Eyes even though VFO claims that it will no longer be developed.
Besides, being their product, they can do whatever they want with 
Window-Eyes in the future, even resurrect it, should they choose to do so.


Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 2:13 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Carol and Roger <carogsm...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Rod,

Yes, you are correct.  Even if the company is gone, the copywright is
still there.  It is the same as a person writing a book.  The book can
be copywrighted for as long as someone wishes to keep it going.  So, AI
may have forwarded the copywright which would now fall on VFO to
continue to maintain that, even though the product is no longer being
distributed.

Carol


On 9/9/2017 12:47 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread 
seems to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I 
think you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message-
From: Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

  wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
- Original Message -
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


Hi Loy,

If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get 
a

downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
  - Original Message -
  From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
  To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
  Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
  Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


  And th

Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I have a friend of mine who is using a copy of window eyes that doesn't 
belong to him.  He put in a phony name and it worked.  The serial number is 
filled in for you.


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 9:47 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes

Hi Russ and all,

As memory serves, you do have to enter the correct name when you install 
Window-Eyes.
Regardless whether I'm right about that point, as much as this thread seems 
to entertain the idea of sharing retail copies of Window-Eyes, I think 
you'll run into copyright infringement if you do this.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: September 9, 2017 9:23 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the
serial number that matters.

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this
correct?

On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

 wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore,
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some
countries you had to have a dongle.
   - Original Message -
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


   Hi Loy,

   If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
   I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
   If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

   Best,

   Rod

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
   Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   Cc: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.
 - Original Message -
 From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
 Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


 And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: aad leeflang
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 ok thanks
 i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer
than 9.0.
 i downloadee most versions.
 but how do i get a more acurate version though?
 or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
 i guess not.
 aad
 On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
 Rod Hutton via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

 > Hi Aad,
 >
 > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at
least version 9.2.
 >
 > Hth,
 >
 > Rod
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk
 > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On
 > Behalf O

Re: really impressed with Jaws2018

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

A couple of days back I contacted Mike from Access Solutions.  He told me 
that the vfo group has made it a top priority to fix the tripletalk and 
dectalk issues in jaws 2018.


-Original Message- 
From: Debby Franson via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 7:52 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: Re: really impressed with Jaws2018

Hi Russ!

I hope so too. I'm using the TripleTalk Mini with Window-Eyes 9.5.4.0. I
would love to use it in JAWS when I install it after building a new
midtower that I'm gathering parts for. There is nothing like hardware
speech. I started out with the DoubleTalk card in Vocal-Eyes and used it
with Window-Eyes until I no longer had a computer with an ISA slot,
upgraded to TripleTalk PCI and used it until the driver became too old for
Window-Eyes 9.5.3, I think it was, and switched to the TripleTalk Mini. I
will really miss that speech if I can someday no longer use it.

Debby

At 08:12 AM 8/31/2017, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote

I just hope that the vfo group fixed the tripletalk usb issue?

-Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:28 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: really impressed with Jaws2018

I just listened to the FS cast for Jaws 2018.  You can set verbosity levels
for what is spoken on the web.  You can take a picture of a file and ocr it
with Jaws very impressed.

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Re: question about re installing wineyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

It's my understanding it doesn't matter what name you put in, it's the 
serial number that matters.


-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

Only sort of.  The serial number is assigned to a specific person, so
the name and any other information that is asked for during installation
would need to be the same for both people. So, if you gave me your copy
and did not tell me your information, your copy, on my PC would still be
a demo copy.


On 9/8/2017 12:44 PM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
If I sent someone a copy of my last installation copy, that person would 
still need an activation code or it would go into demo mode. Isn't this 
correct?


On 9/8/2017 8:57 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk]

 wrote:

Hi Loy,

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I was referring to why you thought it would be 
okay for someone to use someone else's copy of WE simply because it was 
no longer being developed.
I would think it is still the property of VFO, and, therefore, 
infringement of copyright to let someone else use it.


Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk

Sent: September 8, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Loy 
Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

If you are in the US, you never had to activate WE. I think in some 
countries you had to have a dongle.

   - Original Message -
   From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Cc: Rod Hutton
   Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:01 AM
   Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


   Hi Loy,

   If you truly know this, then, that's fine.
   I don't feel as certain about this as you seem to be.
   If you can explain this a bit, I'd appreciate it.

   Best,

   Rod

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk

   Sent: September 8, 2017 10:40 AM
   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
   Cc: Loy 
   Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

   There has never been an online activation. I doubt that you can get a 
downloadable copy from VFO now, but if you can get a copy from someone 
else then you could install it. Being it is no longer being sold or 
developed then using some one else's copy would not matter.

 - Original Message -
 From: Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Micallef Michael at FITA
 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 10:24 AM
 Subject: RE: question about re installing wineyes


 And then after installation of WE how about the online activation?

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk

 Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 12:07 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: aad leeflang
 Subject: Re: question about re installing wineyes

 ok thanks
 i used window eyes 9.4 on my old pc but i did not get a cd newer 
than 9.0.

 i downloadee most versions.
 but how do i get a more acurate version though?
 or is there a way to copy the files from my old pc to my new pc.
 i guess not.
 aad
 On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:46:16 +
 Rod Hutton via Talk  wrote:

 > Hi Aad,
 >
 > In order to install Window-Eyes for Windows 10, you require at 
least version 9.2.

 >
 > Hth,
 >
 > Rod
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk
 > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On

 > Behalf Of aad leeflang via Talk
 > Sent: September 8, 2017 5:15 AM
 > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 > Cc: aad leeflang 
 > Subject: question about re installing wineyes
 >
 > hello all
 > i have moved to a new pc with windows 10.
 > i wanted to re-install window eyes but i get a message that it 
does

 > not work under windows 10.
 > i had the cd version 9.0.
 > is there a way to get an fresh installation cd for window eyes so 
that

 > i re install it?
 > there are still some issues with jaws that don't work well and 
could

 > work better with window eyes.
 > anyway i still don't understand why people think that jaws sould 
be

 > better tan window eyes anyway.
 > aad
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Re: App updates

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The big test will be next month when Microsoft releases windows 10 creators 
fall update.  Will window eyes work with it?


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 10:05 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: App updates

This would be nice.  The only way I see problem if core things in Window
Eyes quit working.  I also doubt you will get good support after a while
from VFO.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of peter Chin via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 4:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; windoweyesus...@groups.io
Cc: peter Chin
Subject: Re: App updates

Hello Listers,

It looks like many of us would be interested in such an undertaking. I do
hope that someone will be able to take  up Rod's idea and set up a website
to house all the old apps as well as new ones. Who knows, if apps could be
added to the list of apps, the use of Window-Eyes could be prolonged even
after updates to Windows 10.

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:52 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: App updates

Hi everyone,

I have updates for a couple of my apps, and even a new app or two, but VFO
is no longer accepting app submissions.
Is anyone still interested enough in Window-Eyes to wish for someone to set
up an independent website for the purpose of app updates?
I am trying to get a handle on who is still interested in receiving support
for Window-Eyes, and so please circulate this question to any Window-Eyes
users you know.

Sincere thanks,

Rod Hutton
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Re: Learnig JAWS and NVDA

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I see that Microsoft has announced that windows 10 creators fall edition 
will be released on October 17.  That will be the big test for window eyes?


-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 7:46 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy
Subject: Learnig JAWS and NVDA

In learning JAWS as a WE user, my biggest problem is learning the JAWS menus 
and settings. I find it hard to find what I need. Some are not as 
descriptive as I would like. I do like the Microsoft mobile voice Mark, I 
find it responsive and easy to listen to.
I find that NVDA and JAWS have some similarities. I find that NVDA does some 
things better than JAWS.


I do want to get a working knowledge of both screen readers just in case WE 
stops working in future releases of Windows. But right now still like WE 
best.

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Re: Looking for a couple of set files

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   Under factory settings, you should have 22 apps.

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:42 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Carol and Roger
Subject: Re: Looking for a couple of set files

I guess that depends on how many apps you have installed.  I went to my
explore profiles under the file menu in the control panel and did a
search for .set and found 72.

Carol


On 8/31/2017 8:28 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:

How many factory set files are there by default? I only have 22.

On 8/31/2017 4:00 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Hi,

The set file for Notepad can be found by doing the following:

Open Notepad
open WE control panel with control backslash
press control-o
If the set is available, Notepad should have opened it automatically. If 
that is not what you hear after pressing control-o, do the following:

type in notepad.set and press enter.
For the next step, you need to have advanced settings enabled.
If you do not see associations, press alt, h, v
Press a for associations and press right arrow
tab twice.  It should say current.  If not up arrow once
Tab once and arrow up or down through the options until you hear by class
Tab to save and associate
press f6 and then left arrow twice to close associations node and the set 
file will now be associated.
If you had to press alt,h,v to do this, press it again and you will be 
returned to standard settings (maintaining your association.)



I did not see a set file for Notepad ++, but much of it should be fairly 
similar to Notepad.




On 8/30/2017 6:29 PM, Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:
I have never created a set file; nor do I have the slightest idea of how 
to determine whether a set file exists for an  application I am running.




If there is such a thing, please tell me where to locate a set file for 
the Notepad application.  While we're at it, please tell me how to 
install the set file too.




I am also looking for a set file for the Notepad plus plus application. 
I use these two applications for different purposes, so would like a set 
file for each. Incidentally, I am running W E 9.5.4.




Thanks.



Don Roberts

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Re: Looking for a couple of set files

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Window Eyes comes with a notepad app.

-Original Message- 
From: John Covici via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 4:04 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: John Covici ; t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a couple of set files

Notepad does not need a set file.  Notepad++ may need one, try it and
see what it will not do that you want and that will determine whether
you should create a set file or script or something.

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 18:29:16 -0400,
Donald L. Roberts via Talk wrote:


I have never created a set file; nor do I have the slightest idea
of how to determine whether a set file exists for an  application
I am running.



If there is such a thing, please tell me where to locate a set
file for the Notepad application.  While we're at it, please tell
me how to install the set file too.



I am also looking for a set file for the Notepad plus plus
application.  I use these two applications for different
purposes, so would like a set file for each. Incidentally, I am
running W E 9.5.4.



Thanks.



Don Roberts

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Re: really impressed with Jaws2018

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I just hope that the vfo group fixed the tripletalk usb issue?

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:28 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: really impressed with Jaws2018

I just listened to the FS cast for Jaws 2018.  You can set verbosity levels
for what is spoken on the web.  You can take a picture of a file and ocr it
with Jaws very impressed.

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Re: not getting at my home e-mail

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I'm going to try jaws 2018 beta to see if they fixed the triple talk issue.

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:42 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Dennis Long
Subject: RE: not getting at my home e-mail

This is my own speculation I don't know we will have a jaws august update.
Jaws 2018 which is next version to come will be out in October.  The beta
will be in early September.  Anyone can run it but you will need the sma to
get Jaws 2018.  They have a document scanning feature in Jaws 2018 as well I
know no more than that.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 9:51 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Pastor Gil Pries
Subject: RE: not getting at my home e-mail

Me too.

Pastor Gil

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+gilp=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 6:47 AM
To: Richard; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Russ Kiehne
Subject: Re: not getting at my home e-mail

I'm waiting for the August update to jaws to see if the VFO group fixed the
triple talk issue?

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 12:45 AM
To: Richard ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: not getting at my home e-mail

Hi Richard and all,

To clarify, my recent experience testing Jaws influences me to accept the
Jaws SMAs which were converted from Window-Eyes, and, once expired, to
simply use NVDA and Narrator.
I've recently bought a Mac, and, along with my iPhone and iPod Tuch,  have
seen what good design really is through my use of these Apple products.
As far as keeping in touch with everyone, my lifeline will be the list
Dennis Long created at windoweyesus...@groups.io, and  I rely on this list
into the future.
So, Richard, we'll keep in touch if you subscribe to Dennis's list. (smile)

Take care,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: August 29, 2017 2:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: not getting at my home e-mail

Hi Richard,

Well, I'm still here.
If this list shuts down, that will do it for me, since I'm not interested in
the Shark.

Hth,

Rod

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Sent: August 29, 2017 1:17 AM
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Subject: not getting at my home e-mail

is the talk list still active? For some reason I'mnot getting my messages at
my verizon e-mail r.kurlan...@verizon.net

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Re: Jaws browse mode

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I think you want insert z to turn on and off virtual view in jaws.

-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 4:05 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Jaws browse mode

News for you. At least with my installation.


In Jaws, pressing the L key, moves you to the next List. Not Link, but
list. Unvisited link, is U, and true V is visited link like in WinEyes.


If this indicates that I have a messed up installation, then how can I
get it rectified? Please.


Still, I am looking for the hotkey to turn off browse mode, since I have
to adjust the volume in a netbased radio player. To do this, I need have
browse mode off, and use the arrow-keys. But since I don't seem to find
the correct hotkey to turn off browse mode, I am just moving around the
page, when hitting the arrow keys.



David

On 8/29/2017 12:08 PM, michaels mail via Talk wrote:

Jaws works the same as we v for visited links and i think l for next
link.
And inser plus f 5 will put jaws in a dialog box with all the links
just like we did by pressing insert tab.
Cheers michael.

-Original Message- From: David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 6:16 PM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Jaws browse mode

OK, finally, they managed to send me a license code for Jaws, and so I
am ready to start my fooling around, for a bit more than 40 minutes.


One of my first issues, is to operate the web. Boy, does Jaws take us a
decade back in the way of operating the websites! Am I right, there is
no single way to jump to the next link; that you will have to determine
if it is a visited or unvisited link you are looking for? Sure, I can
see the benefit of making this distinction - when you are visiting a
page you know you have been before. But if you are browsing the net for
something in particular, and you land by chance on a page you have been
before, now you will have to remember that you have some visited, and
some unvisited links to browse. Or, have I overlooked - even missed -
some hotkey here?


Next, seems you only can go to the next line of text, coming up after
non-text controls. Meaning you will have to first find the start of the
text block, by the navigation key of N, and then move your hand to the
arrow-keys. Now you have to arrow, til you get to a non-text control,
and then move your hand back to the main keyboard, to hit the N, so as
to get to the next block of text. Again, if I have missed some
operational feature, please will someone be kind to educate me?


Most of all, listers. Could someone please tell me the hotkey to turn
on/off the browse mode. In Window-Eyes, we have the Ctrl-Shift-A, but
what is the equivalent in Jaws?


Thanks so far. I've sure got numerous other things to ask, but they will
go into individual threads.


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Re: not getting at my home e-mail

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I'm waiting for the August update to jaws to see if the VFO group fixed the 
triple talk issue?


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 12:45 AM
To: Richard ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: not getting at my home e-mail

Hi Richard and all,

To clarify, my recent experience testing Jaws influences me to accept the 
Jaws SMAs which were converted from Window-Eyes, and, once expired, to 
simply use NVDA and Narrator.
I've recently bought a Mac, and, along with my iPhone and iPod Tuch,  have 
seen what good design really is through my use of these Apple products.
As far as keeping in touch with everyone, my lifeline will be the list 
Dennis Long created at windoweyesus...@groups.io, and  I rely on this list 
into the future.

So, Richard, we'll keep in touch if you subscribe to Dennis's list. (smile)

Take care,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: August 29, 2017 2:37 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: RE: not getting at my home e-mail

Hi Richard,

Well, I'm still here.
If this list shuts down, that will do it for me, since I'm not interested in 
the Shark.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
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Of richard kurlander via Talk

Sent: August 29, 2017 1:17 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: richard kurlander 
Subject: not getting at my home e-mail

is the talk list still active? For some reason I'mnot getting my messages at 
my verizon e-mail r.kurlan...@verizon.net


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Re: contacting Doug.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

er everyone has their price Dan and Doug got there price.
   >>
   >>
   >> -Original Message-
   >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
   >> Reeva Webb via Talk
   >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:12 AM
   >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >> Cc: Reeva Webb
   >> Subject: RE: contacting Doug.
   >>
   >> Watch fs make zt bloated and terrible with yearly updates. Oh, ai2,
   >> y'all shouldn't have gotten with the shark.
   >>
   >> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never
   >> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" 
Walls

   >> Of Jericho
   >>
   >> Reeva
   >>
   >> On Aug 21, 2017 11:22 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk"
   >> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   >> wrote:
   >>
   >>> And Zoomtext will be getting yearly updates, and so on like JAWS 
does.

   >>>
   >>> -Original Message-
   >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of
   >>> Russ Kiehne via Talk
   >>> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:50 AM
   >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >>> Cc: Russ Kiehne
   >>> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
   >>>
   >>> You are correct, the article was posted for historical purposes.
   >>> It's interesting to see how many screen readers we had back then.
   >>> Jaws wonthe the battle and now is king of the hill.
   >>>
   >>> -Original Message-
   >>> From: Debby Franson via Talk
   >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:50 PM
   >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >>> Cc: Debby Franson
   >>> Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
   >>>
   >>> Hi Loy!
   >>>
   >>> No, I agree that the article would not be fair today, but I think 
this

   >>> article was posted for historical purposes, not anything about the
   >>> current day.
   >>>
   >>> Debby
   >>>
   >>> At 10:25 AM 8/19/2017, Loy via Talk wrote
   >>>> This would not be a air comparison now, Window Eyes progressed 
much

   >>>> faster
   >>>> than JAWS since 1996. - Original Message - From: Russ
   >>>> Kiehne
   >>>> via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Russ Kiehne Sent:
   >>>> Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:42 AM Subject: Re: contacting Doug.
   >>>> Check
   >>>> this out from times past! Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:49:26 EDT
   >>>> From:
   >>>> Jamal Mazrui <7.1...@compuserve.com> Subject: CSUN "Dueling
   >>> Windows"
   >>>> Sensory Access Foundation has published a "Dueling Windows" report 
in

   >>> the
   >>>> Spring 1996 issue of Access Review. It summarizes a competition
   >>>> among
   >>>> Windows screen readers that was held at the 1996 CSUN conference 
in

   >>>> March. I am prefacing the article with some tabulations I did
   >>>> with its
   >>>> data. Since the article does not quantify the performance of each
   >>>> screen reader according to its criteria, I did such an analysis
   >>>> for the
   >>>> interest of readers. I assigned a value of 2 for accomplishing a
   >>>> task,
   >>> 1
   >>>> for accomplishing it with difficulty, and 0 for failing it. If
   >>>> anyone
   >>>> observes an error in my arithmetic, please let me know. Artic's
   >>>> WinVision accomplished: 7 accomplished with difficulty: 2
   >>>> failed: 6
   >>>> total points: 16 average: 1.06 Berkeley's OutSpoken for Windows
   >>>> accomplished: 9 accomplished with difficulty: 5 failed: 1 total
   >>>> points: 23 average: 1.53 GW Micro's Window-Eyes accomplished: 5
   >>>> accomplished with difficulty: 1 failed: 9 total points: 11
   >>>> average:
   >>>> .73 Henter-Joyce's JAWS for Windows accomplished: 13 accomplished
   >>>> with difficulty: 1 failed: 1 total points: 27 average: 1.8
   >>>> IBM's
   >>>> Screen Reader/2 accomplished: 13 accomplished with difficulty: 1
   >>>> failed: 1 total points: 27 average: 1.8 Syntha-Voice's Window
   >>>> Bridge
   >>>> accomplished: 5 accomplished with difficulty: 4 failed: 6 total
   >>>> points: 14 average: .93 TeleSensory's Screen Power for Windows
   >>>> accomplished: 5 accomplished with dif

Re: contacting Doug.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

   You are correct, the article was posted for historical purposes. 
It's interesting to see how many screen readers we had back then.  Jaws 
wonthe the battle and now is king of the hill.


-Original Message- 
From: Debby Franson via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Debby Franson
Subject: Re: contacting Doug.

Hi Loy!

No, I agree that the article would not be fair today, but I think this
article was posted for historical purposes, not anything about the current 
day.


Debby

At 10:25 AM 8/19/2017, Loy via Talk wrote
This would not be a air comparison now, Window Eyes progressed much faster 
than JAWS since 1996.   - Original Message -   From: Russ Kiehne 
via Talk   To: Window-Eyes Discussion List   Cc: Russ Kiehne   Sent: 
Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:42 AM   Subject: Re: contacting Doug.   Check 
this out from times past!   Date:Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:49:26 EDT   From: 
Jamal Mazrui <7.1...@compuserve.com>   Subject: CSUN "Dueling Windows" 
Sensory Access Foundation has published a "Dueling Windows"   report in the 
Spring 1996 issue of Access Review.  It   summarizes a competition among 
Windows screen readers that was   held at the 1996 CSUN conference in 
March.  I am prefacing the   article with some tabulations I did with its 
data.   Since the article does not quantify the performance of each 
screen reader according to its criteria, I did such an analysis   for the 
interest of readers.  I assigned a value of 2 for   accomplishing a task, 1 
for accomplishing it with difficulty, and   0 for failing it.  If anyone 
observes an error in my arithmetic,   please let me know.   Artic's 
WinVision   accomplished: 7   accomplished with difficulty: 2   failed: 6 
total points: 16   average: 1.06   Berkeley's OutSpoken for Windows 
accomplished: 9   accomplished with difficulty: 5   failed: 1   total 
points: 23   average: 1.53   GW Micro's Window-Eyes   accomplished: 5 
accomplished with difficulty: 1   failed: 9   total points: 11   average: 
.73   Henter-Joyce's JAWS for Windows   accomplished: 13   accomplished 
with difficulty: 1   failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   IBM's 
Screen Reader/2   accomplished: 13   accomplished with difficulty: 1 
failed: 1   total points: 27   average: 1.8   Syntha-Voice's Window Bridge 
accomplished: 5   accomplished with difficulty: 4   failed: 6   total 
points: 14   average: .93   TeleSensory's Screen Power for Windows 
accomplished: 5   accomplished with difficulty: 7   failed: 3   total 
points: 17   average: 1.13   Based solely on this analysis, JAWS for 
Windows and Screen   Reader/2 were tied for top.  They were followed by 
OutSpoken for   Windows, Screen Power for Windows, WinVision, Window Bridge 
and Window-Eyes.   Let me remind readers that Windows access products are 
rapidly   developing so that new versions might lead to significantly 
different results today.  In fact, some developers have already   made 
enhancements to address problems encountered at this 
competition.   --Dueling Windows:  An Overviewby 
Kenneth Frasse(re-printed with permission of Sensory Access 
Foundationfrom Access Review, Vol. I, No. 1, Spring 1996) 
Abstract   In March, at the CSUN International Conference on Technology and 
Persons with Disabilities held in Los Angeles, California, Mark   Nelson of 
the Foundation for Blind Children hosted a pre-conference   seminar called 
"Dueling Windows".  This seminar attempted to   contrast and compare 
graphical user interface (GUI) screen review   software in applications for 
Windows.  The format of the seminar   was to pose identical tasks to each 
of the vendors in alternating   order and have the vendors demonstrate the 
ability of their   products to perform the specified tasks.  Since SAF does 
not sell,   distribute, or endorse any single GUI screen reader, we 
attempted   to generate an objective review of the GUI screen readers 
demonstrated.Editor   Similar to the 1995 Closing the Gap 
presentation of Dueling   Windows, Mark Nelson of the Arizona-based 
Foundation for Blind   Children coordinated another Dueling Windows at the 
March CSUN   conference in Los Angeles.  The Los Angeles seminar differed 
in   several respects from the first seminar at Closing the Gap, not the 
least of which was that the seminar was six hours long.  It was   similar 
to the Closing the Gap seminar in that it was composed of   questions and 
tasks that each of the vendors had to answer or   perform.  Notably, Greg 
Meise of the Kansas-based Missing Link   Technologies, Kerry Malone-Cook of 
the Southern Oregon Goodwill,   and Jay Stiteley of The New Jersey-based 
Seeing Eye, Inc. joined   Mr. Nelson as the three panelists who would 
present the questions   of the day; these panelists also formed the impetus 
for creating   Dueling Windows.  I wish to take a moment to ex

Re: contacting Doug.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Yes, window eyes has come a long way sense then.  Notice how many screen 
readers are no longer around sense then?


-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 8:25 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Loy
Subject: Re: contacting Doug.

This would not be a air comparison now, Window Eyes progressed much faster 
than JAWS since 1996.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Cc: Russ Kiehne
 Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:42 AM
 Subject: Re: contacting Doug.


 Check this out from times past!

 Date:Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:49:26 EDT
 From:Jamal Mazrui <7.1...@compuserve.com>
 Subject: CSUN "Dueling Windows"

 Sensory Access Foundation has published a "Dueling Windows"
 report in the Spring 1996 issue of Access Review.  It
 summarizes a competition among Windows screen readers that was
 held at the 1996 CSUN conference in March.  I am prefacing the
 article with some tabulations I did with its data.

 Since the article does not quantify the performance of each
 screen reader according to its criteria, I did such an analysis
 for the interest of readers.  I assigned a value of 2 for
 accomplishing a task, 1 for accomplishing it with difficulty, and
 0 for failing it.  If anyone observes an error in my arithmetic,
 please let me know.

 Artic's WinVision
 accomplished: 7
 accomplished with difficulty: 2
 failed: 6
 total points: 16
 average: 1.06

 Berkeley's OutSpoken for Windows
 accomplished: 9
 accomplished with difficulty: 5
 failed: 1
 total points: 23
 average: 1.53

 GW Micro's Window-Eyes
 accomplished: 5
 accomplished with difficulty: 1
 failed: 9
 total points: 11
 average: .73

 Henter-Joyce's JAWS for Windows
 accomplished: 13
 accomplished with difficulty: 1
 failed: 1
 total points: 27
 average: 1.8

 IBM's Screen Reader/2
 accomplished: 13
 accomplished with difficulty: 1
 failed: 1
 total points: 27
 average: 1.8

 Syntha-Voice's Window Bridge
 accomplished: 5
 accomplished with difficulty: 4
 failed: 6
 total points: 14
 average: .93

 TeleSensory's Screen Power for Windows
 accomplished: 5
 accomplished with difficulty: 7
 failed: 3
 total points: 17
 average: 1.13


 Based solely on this analysis, JAWS for Windows and Screen
 Reader/2 were tied for top.  They were followed by OutSpoken for
 Windows, Screen Power for Windows, WinVision, Window Bridge
 and Window-Eyes.


 Let me remind readers that Windows access products are rapidly
 developing so that new versions might lead to significantly
 different results today.  In fact, some developers have already
 made enhancements to address problems encountered at this
 competition.

 --

  Dueling Windows:  An Overview
  by Kenneth Frasse
  (re-printed with permission of Sensory Access Foundation
  from Access Review, Vol. I, No. 1, Spring 1996)


  Abstract

 In March, at the CSUN International Conference on Technology and
 Persons with Disabilities held in Los Angeles, California, Mark
 Nelson of the Foundation for Blind Children hosted a pre-conference
 seminar called "Dueling Windows".  This seminar attempted to
 contrast and compare graphical user interface (GUI) screen review
 software in applications for Windows.  The format of the seminar
 was to pose identical tasks to each of the vendors in alternating
 order and have the vendors demonstrate the ability of their
 products to perform the specified tasks.  Since SAF does not sell,
 distribute, or endorse any single GUI screen reader, we attempted
 to generate an objective review of the GUI screen readers
 demonstrated.

  Editor


 Similar to the 1995 Closing the Gap presentation of Dueling
 Windows, Mark Nelson of the Arizona-based Foundation for Blind
 Children coordinated another Dueling Windows at the March CSUN
 conference in Los Angeles.  The Los Angeles seminar differed in
 several respects from the first seminar at Closing the Gap, not the
 least of which was that the seminar was six hours long.  It was
 similar to the Closing the Gap seminar in that it was composed of
 questions and tasks that each of the vendors had to answer or
 perform.  Notably, Greg Meise of the Kansas-based Missing Link
 Technologies, Kerry Malone-Cook of the Southern Oregon Goodwill,
 and Jay Stiteley of The New Jersey-based Seeing Eye, Inc. joined
 Mr. Nelson as the three panelists who would present the questions
 of the day; these panelists also formed the impetus for creating
 Dueling Windows.  I wish to take a moment to explain the
 presentation and approach of this article so that the reader may be
 as clear on the issues presented as possible.  I will present
 Dueling Windows in five sections:

 1)   Who was there:  Which GUI software were represented at the
 seminar and what are some of the fundamental equipment differences
 between them that the seminar results might not make obvious for
 the reader;
 2)   Technical Se

Re: contacting Doug.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Check this out from times past!

Date:Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:49:26 EDT
From:Jamal Mazrui <7.1...@compuserve.com>
Subject: CSUN "Dueling Windows"

Sensory Access Foundation has published a "Dueling Windows"
report in the Spring 1996 issue of Access Review.  It
summarizes a competition among Windows screen readers that was
held at the 1996 CSUN conference in March.  I am prefacing the
article with some tabulations I did with its data.

Since the article does not quantify the performance of each
screen reader according to its criteria, I did such an analysis
for the interest of readers.  I assigned a value of 2 for
accomplishing a task, 1 for accomplishing it with difficulty, and
0 for failing it.  If anyone observes an error in my arithmetic,
please let me know.

Artic's WinVision
accomplished: 7
accomplished with difficulty: 2
failed: 6
total points: 16
average: 1.06

Berkeley's OutSpoken for Windows
accomplished: 9
accomplished with difficulty: 5
failed: 1
total points: 23
average: 1.53

GW Micro's Window-Eyes
accomplished: 5
accomplished with difficulty: 1
failed: 9
total points: 11
average: .73

Henter-Joyce's JAWS for Windows
accomplished: 13
accomplished with difficulty: 1
failed: 1
total points: 27
average: 1.8

IBM's Screen Reader/2
accomplished: 13
accomplished with difficulty: 1
failed: 1
total points: 27
average: 1.8

Syntha-Voice's Window Bridge
accomplished: 5
accomplished with difficulty: 4
failed: 6
total points: 14
average: .93

TeleSensory's Screen Power for Windows
accomplished: 5
accomplished with difficulty: 7
failed: 3
total points: 17
average: 1.13


Based solely on this analysis, JAWS for Windows and Screen
Reader/2 were tied for top.  They were followed by OutSpoken for
Windows, Screen Power for Windows, WinVision, Window Bridge
and Window-Eyes.


Let me remind readers that Windows access products are rapidly
developing so that new versions might lead to significantly
different results today.  In fact, some developers have already
made enhancements to address problems encountered at this
competition.

--

Dueling Windows:  An Overview
by Kenneth Frasse
(re-printed with permission of Sensory Access Foundation
from Access Review, Vol. I, No. 1, Spring 1996)


Abstract

In March, at the CSUN International Conference on Technology and
Persons with Disabilities held in Los Angeles, California, Mark
Nelson of the Foundation for Blind Children hosted a pre-conference
seminar called "Dueling Windows".  This seminar attempted to
contrast and compare graphical user interface (GUI) screen review
software in applications for Windows.  The format of the seminar
was to pose identical tasks to each of the vendors in alternating
order and have the vendors demonstrate the ability of their
products to perform the specified tasks.  Since SAF does not sell,
distribute, or endorse any single GUI screen reader, we attempted
to generate an objective review of the GUI screen readers
demonstrated.

Editor


Similar to the 1995 Closing the Gap presentation of Dueling
Windows, Mark Nelson of the Arizona-based Foundation for Blind
Children coordinated another Dueling Windows at the March CSUN
conference in Los Angeles.  The Los Angeles seminar differed in
several respects from the first seminar at Closing the Gap, not the
least of which was that the seminar was six hours long.  It was
similar to the Closing the Gap seminar in that it was composed of
questions and tasks that each of the vendors had to answer or
perform.  Notably, Greg Meise of the Kansas-based Missing Link
Technologies, Kerry Malone-Cook of the Southern Oregon Goodwill,
and Jay Stiteley of The New Jersey-based Seeing Eye, Inc. joined
Mr. Nelson as the three panelists who would present the questions
of the day; these panelists also formed the impetus for creating
Dueling Windows.  I wish to take a moment to explain the
presentation and approach of this article so that the reader may be
as clear on the issues presented as possible.  I will present
Dueling Windows in five sections:

1)   Who was there:  Which GUI software were represented at the
seminar and what are some of the fundamental equipment differences
between them that the seminar results might not make obvious for
the reader;
2)   Technical Set-up:  What was the technical set-up for the
seminar;
3)   Environment:  What are the advantages and disadvantages of the
Dueling Windows environment;
4)   Results:  The Dueling Windows results;
5)   Summary and commentary.

Who was there
Seven GUI screen reader developers were represented at the seminar.
These included:

1)   Artic Technologies's WinVision 2 v2.16;
2)   Berkeley Access's outSPOKEN for Windows v1.2 (vb26 public
beta)
3)   GW Micro's Window-Eyes v1.03;
4)   Henter-Joyce's JAWS for Windows (JFW) v1.2;
5)   IBM's Screen Reader/2 (SR/2) v2.0;
6)   Syntha-Voice's SLIMWARE Window Bridge v2.21;
7)   TeleSensory's ScreenPower for Windows (SPW) v1.47B.

Nearly all GUI screen readers were represented