Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !

I largely agree, but I have found there are times and places where explicitly saying "this particular wiki here is being PREscriptive (should be done), rather than the usual tone of DEscriptive (as done now)" can be a value-add to both our map and our wiki (in the long run). When done well and

Re: [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !

FYI; https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism   Purposeful removal or degradation of data that are known to be correct,   Deliberate adding incorrect data;   People who revert other people's work should expect to be able to demonstrate that the reversion was well reasoned and proportionate

Re: [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !

That is a good question, I answered him on what he sent me, that he was complaining about in the form of a threat,   as andy said,   I was trying fix the ghost issue on a 10 year old National Hydrography Dataset, download that was one 81 mile   multipolygon that was not even his edit, I 

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !

That is a good question, I answered him on what he sent me, that he was complaining about in the form of a threat,   as andy said,   I was trying fix the ghost issue on a 10 year old National Hydrography Dataset, download that was one 81 mile   multipolygon that was not even his edit, I 

Re: [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !

If this is the changeset (https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/86230442), where is the discussion? Ale On 07/06/20 17:33, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: 86230442 Sunday, June 7, 2020 8:47 AM -05:00 from Dave F via talk >: Provide a link to the changeset. DaveF

Re: [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !

>86230442 >>Sunday, June 7, 2020 8:47 AM -05:00 from Dave F via talk < >>talk@openstreetmap.org >: >>  >>Provide a link to the changeset. >> >>DaveF >>  >>On 07/06/2020 14:07, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: >>>  IF someone, not local, relying on satellite views, goes after my good >>>faith

Re: [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !

Provide a link to the changeset. DaveF On 07/06/2020 14:07, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:   IF someone, not local, relying on satellite views, goes after my good faith edit, based on my on the ground surveillance thinks my edit was wrong trying to fix broken polygon’s,  that are making

Re: [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !

Hello, Le 07.06.20 à 15:07, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk a écrit : > how do you put it all back ? giving a link to get a neutral opinion is often a good idea :) the first time, just put a public message on the changeset. there is the revert plugin in josm to cancel all the changes. if it happens

[OSM-talk] VANDALISM !

  IF someone, not local, relying on satellite views, goes after my good faith edit, based on my on the ground   surveillance thinks my edit was wrong trying to fix broken polygon’s,  that are making ghosts lines on the   ID edit page. sends me a change-set discussion notice, telling me not to

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism by donpedro1980

Hi Paul, based on the 3-4 changesets I've just reviewed from them, it doesn't seem super-obvious to me (apart from the rather odd changeset comment: "Many kids can be found playing here and walkers enjoy this area at all times") that they are vandalising. They've been mapping for less than a

[OSM-talk] Vandalism by donpedro1980

Could we get a block to get this guy's attention? He's adding things in the Tulsa area that have no basis in reality in an apparent attempt to game Pokemon Go, and unresponsive to changeset comments from myself and nammala ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 3:17 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > On 26/02/2016 22:21, Mike Thompson wrote: > >> Thanks! I haven't found any valid edits from this user. He/she has been >> tagging any patch of bare ground as building=house. In some cases there >> might be a

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism

Missing maps reached out to the user today with some guidance and information that edits are live. We've also cleaned up the offending data. Well continue to figure out if this was at an event and work to tighten up any training gaps. Thanks everyone. On Feb 26, 2016 4:39 PM, "Mike Thompson"

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism

DWG has been contacted. Changeset comment has been entered along the lines Andy suggested. I am not at a place at the moment where I can revert, if someone else whats to handle that would be great. Mike On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 26/02/2016

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism

16h15 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism Email the data working group d...@openstreetmap.org with details they can block the user. -- Cheers, Chris (chillly) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism

On 26/02/2016 21:09, Mike Thompson wrote: ... appear to be of very poor quality, or out right vandalism. How should this be handled? In this particular case, the changeset comments suggest it's a remote HOT project

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism

Chris, Andy, Thanks! I haven't found any valid edits from this user. He/she has been tagging any patch of bare ground as building=house. In some cases there might be a building inside that bare patch of ground (difficult to tell with the imagery), but in most cases there is nothing. Mike On

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism

Email the data working group d...@openstreetmap.org with details they can block the user. -- Cheers, Chris (chillly) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism

On 26/02/2016 20:55, Mike Thompson wrote: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/37315914 Should I just manually delete, or would it be better for someone to do a revert. In a a case where someone has made a few valid edits and then something that obviously isn't, I'd personally start with

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism

So far all of the edits by user: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/G%20Jenny appear to be of very poor quality, or out right vandalism. How should this be handled? On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/37315914 >

[OSM-talk] Vandalism

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/37315914 Should I just manually delete, or would it be better for someone to do a revert. Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism at Estero Bay?

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: btw.: wouldn't this merit a natural=bay instead of the note=bay? Of course though somehow I was temporarily blinded or something. ;) Nevertheless Josm mentioned it as Meeresbucht (Translation of bay) on the relations window. The user has responded now. He said he

[OSM-talk] Vandalism at Estero Bay?

User Eraque22 asked on help.osm.org what the issue is with Estero Bay since no water was rendered there. I added a multipolygon to the existing multiple segments of natural=water (not created by Eraque22) so that the water started to get rendered and answered the question¹. The next thing I

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism at Estero Bay?

btw.: wouldn't this merit a natural=bay instead of the note=bay? cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] 'Vandalism' alert

Not vandalism, but misunderstanding, I believe. Still can someone revert these changesets? (Someone has already alerted him/her in the comments as to inappropriateness) From the User diaries http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/djwright7101/diary/12027#comments Hey I was wondering if anyone on

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism/user error?

On 09/09/2009 00:10, Richard Fairhurst wrote: David Earl wrote: Richard - why do we still need this mode now you can save in Potlatch and groups of changes fit much better with changesets anyway? Lots of people still prefer it. I've not seen any evidence of people mistakenly selecting it

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism/user error?

On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, David Earl wrote: On 09/09/2009 00:10, Richard Fairhurst wrote: David Earl wrote: Richard - why do we still need this mode now you can save in Potlatch and groups of changes fit much better with changesets anyway? Lots of people still prefer it. I've not seen any

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism/user error?

David Earl wrote: I had to revert changes for someone this week who specifically said to me that's what had happened - he didn't realize he was editing live data. People don't read stuff in front of them. Well, you can't completely idiot-proof these things, and it's a great shame to

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism/user error?

On Wed, 9 Sep 2009, David Earl wrote: On 09/09/2009 00:10, Richard Fairhurst wrote: David Earl wrote: Richard - why do we still need this mode now you can save in Potlatch and groups of changes fit much better with changesets anyway? Lots of people still prefer it. I've not seen any

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism/user error?

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 5:06 AM, wynnd...@lavabit.com wrote: Why not go straight into Edit and Save and then have a button to go to Edit Live (one click to go there as now)? +1 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism/user error?

It's obviously nonsense - a way extending right across the globe! But it looks like scribbling, the kind of thing people do in Potlatch not realising they are editing the live map. Despite the prompts at the beginning people STILL don't realise they are doing this. This is the second time this

[OSM-talk] Vandalism/user error?

I just discovered a suspicious looking edit while working on a map splitter tool (http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/page/tile-splitter), as follows: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/737502 The splitter tool ended up creating a separate area just for node 355719431, which is completely on

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism/user error?

Chris Miller wrote: than myself please delete it? I haven't done any editing of the osm data Deleted... Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism/user error?

David Earl wrote: It's obviously nonsense - a way extending right across the globe! But it looks like scribbling, the kind of thing people do in Potlatch not realising they are editing the live map. Despite the prompts at the beginning people STILL don't realise they are doing this. This is

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism/user error?

David Earl wrote: Richard - why do we still need this mode now you can save in Potlatch and groups of changes fit much better with changesets anyway? Lots of people still prefer it. I've not seen any evidence of people mistakenly selecting it - I think the big lightning bolt is pretty

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM

Subtle vandalism will always be the hardest to spot. If it is imagined that it might become a problem, then perhaps uploading a change to anything which already existed could notify the last 1 or 2 people that amended that feature, as they are the most likely to know what is correct or be in

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM

I now use itoworld to give me a RSS feed for sessions of updates in my area (or indeed any defined area) Tristan 2008/10/14 Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subtle vandalism will always be the hardest to spot. If it is imagined that it might become a problem, then perhaps uploading a

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM

On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 02:34:11PM +0200, Stanislav Brabec wrote: A completely different community project Discogs has following policy: - You can subscribe to news in area of your interest. - Voting on new data: Tell, how correct and accurate are these changes are. ... - Data with more

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM

Matthias Julius wrote: Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subtle vandalism will always be the hardest to spot. If it is imagined that it might become a problem, then perhaps uploading a change to anything which already existed could notify the last 1 or 2 people that amended that

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM

- Vote is a privilege, new users don't have vote privilege. -1, sorry. cheers, maning -- |-|--| | __.-._ |Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great. -Yoda | | '-._7' |Freedom is still the most radical idea of all

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM

Stanislav Brabec wrote: A completely different community project Discogs has following policy: - You can subscribe to news in area of your interest. - Voting on new data: Tell, how correct and accurate are these changes are. - Vote is a privilege, new users don't have vote privilege.

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM

PROTECTED] Sent: 06 October 2008 12:53 To: Peter Miller Cc: Barnett, Phillip; Talk Openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using OSM Mapper it is already possible to identify who is changing data within

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM

Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subtle vandalism will always be the hardest to spot. If it is imagined that it might become a problem, then perhaps uploading a change to anything which already existed could notify the last 1 or 2 people that amended that feature, as they are the most

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: A good diff tool or better a diff API call would be helpful as well. With that you could periodically look over the changes in your area. The first step will be a proper way back machine. But it hasn't been discussed

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM

Nic Roets [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: A good diff tool or better a diff API call would be helpful as well. With that you could periodically look over the changes in your area. The first step will be a proper way back

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM

Using OSM Mapper it is already possible to identify who is changing data within an defined area. I use this to monitor for changes in areas I care about using RSS setting up an RSS feed to check for all changes made by people other than me in the area. We developed the functionally in the

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism on OSM

Jeffrey wrote: Well, none of the schemes proposed so far actually deal with the case of subtle vandalism. Subtle vandalism will always be the hardest to spot. If it is imagined that it might become a problem, then perhaps uploading a change to anything which already existed could notify the

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

I suspect that a large part of the problem is in the delay between making an edit and being able to see it rendered on the map. Maybe if Katie had been able to see the effects of her edits on the map immediately she would have stopped and reverted them herself. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:37 AM,

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism, was Vandalism in Trumpington

Does the project have any long term plans on how to deal with vandalism? Should some features be locked? Do we need some kind of hierarchy with block captains and country coordinators? (I don't want that.) On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 7:36 AM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to roll back changes made by user Katie after 17:40 on April 16? I don't believe that there are any tools available for rollback and the like beyond those in the editors, so everyone is on an equal

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism, was Vandalism in Trumpington

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jeffrey Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the project have any long term plans on how to deal with vandalism? There's more ideas than there are developers willing and capable of implementing them! Should some features be locked? Do we need some kind of

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

On 27/04/2008 17:25, Andy Allan wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to roll back changes made by user Katie after 17:40 on April 16? I don't believe that there are any tools available for rollback and the like beyond those in

[OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

You can convert that file. Just search for 04to05.pl in SVN/TRAC On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 6:41 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27/04/2008 17:25, Andy Allan wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to roll back changes made

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

On 26/04/2008 23:36, David Earl wrote: This user has removed or overlaid quite a few roads around Trumpington, Cambridge, and replaced several streets with cycleways, run a tertiary road along the river and across a farm track, and generally made a complete mess of my careful mapping in

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 5:41 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe that there are any tools available for rollback and the like beyond those in the editors, so everyone is on an equal footing when it comes to rolling back. Oh. I thought this had been done. It might

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 6:41 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh. I thought this had been done. So what happens if someone deletes the whole of Cambridge? What I used to do was after uploading an area I also saved it to disk. So I had saved copies of my neighbourhood. If you noticed

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

David Earl wrote: If nothing else, Richard, can the apparent bug with the mode buttons be fixed and the text make it clearer that live data is being changed when you press start? It's not a bug as such - it's currently intentional that it defaults to edit the data - but I do agree

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

On 27/04/2008 17:49, Skywave wrote: You can convert that file. Just search for 04to05.pl in SVN/TRAC Thanks! That almost worked - the conversion left some empty strings in the XML which JOSM didn't like, but removing those redundant lines got me the data I needed.# With copy and paste

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

On 27 Apr 2008, at 17:52, David Earl wrote: On 26/04/2008 23:36, David Earl wrote: This user has removed or overlaid quite a few roads around Trumpington, Cambridge, and replaced several streets with cycleways, run a tertiary road along the river and across a farm track, and generally

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

Shaun McDonald wrote: I see this behaviour in Safari too. Also if you just go and start working on the data, it assumes start/live mode. I think this should be made modal, so that you can't accidentally choose the live mode, when play is the one that is really wanted. It would be nice to have

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

Hi, Is the fact that Potlatch does live editing a design decision, or are there technical reasons behind it (i.e. it would be much more difficult to have a Flash editor with a save button)? It's a design decision. If you do buffered editing, you have to a) do conflict management, b)

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

Frederik Ramm wrote: People use Potlatch because it is much quicker to load, learn, and use. This would not be diminished by a save button On which point we disagree, I suspect irreconcilably; and respectfully I suggest the greater cause of OSM usability would be better served by us each

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

Richard Fairhurst schrieb: Frederik Ramm wrote: Is the fact that Potlatch does live editing a design decision, or are there technical reasons behind it (i.e. it would be much more difficult to have a Flash editor with a save button)? It's a design decision. If you do buffered

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

Ulf Lamping wrote: This all sounds you're trying to cure the pain of not using buffered editing with adding another concept that will add another layer of confusion ... Fine. I'm really not going to attempt and convince anyone here - one has to be a bit of a pig-headed UI fascist to develop

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Fairhurst wrote: | David Earl wrote: | | If nothing else, Richard, can the apparent bug with the mode | buttons be | fixed and the text make it clearer that live data is being changed | when | you press start? | | It's not a bug as such - it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Vandalism in Trumpington

Richard Fairhurst schreef: Ulf Lamping wrote: This all sounds you're trying to cure the pain of not using buffered editing with adding another concept that will add another layer of confusion ... Fine. I'm really not going to attempt and convince anyone here - one has to be a

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism or 'where is cuba?'

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:50:34 + Ludwig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- first all make a bulk move more difficult, so it cannot be executed unless intended to. How recent is your copy of JOSM? Somewhere in the last month it was made more difficult to accidentally move objects in JOSM. m.v.g.,

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism or 'where is cuba?'

Is it still possible to move an entire object in JOSM, or is it now limited to one node at a time? On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Martijn Verwijmeren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:50:34 + Ludwig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- first all make a bulk move more difficult, so

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism or 'where is cuba?'

The version I downloaded three days ago still allows to move entire ways -- and indeed will do if you press the cursor keys while a way is selected. Ludwig On 04/03/2008, OJ W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it still possible to move an entire object in JOSM, or is it now limited to one node at a

Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism or 'where is cuba?'

I know it seems unlikely, but I guess there is no proof that it is not an accident rather than deliberate vandalism? Graham micha ruh wrote: Hi OSM, just after I finished traceing the coastline of the port of Havanna, Cuba i noticed oddly looking clusters of untagged nodes in the city.

[OSM-talk] vandalism or 'where is cuba?'

Hi OSM, just after I finished traceing the coastline of the port of Havanna, Cuba i noticed oddly looking clusters of untagged nodes in the city. humm.. Nodes placed at intersections looks reasonable, but where are the ways? humm.. Time to test the Undo-Feature of potlach: 'U' is the key to