Re: [Talk-es] Duda numeración

2010-10-01 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2010/9/28 sanchi sanc...@gmail.com: Hola. Tengo una pequeña duda sobre la numeración de los edificios con la etiqueta addr:housenumber Según veo en la wiki en ingles si hay varios números se separan con una coma 16,18 pero he visto que hay gente que los separa con un guion 16-18.¿Cual seria

Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset ignoring API limits?

2010-09-23 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 23 September 2010 22:43, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: I looked at changeset http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5853571 and I noticed the page says Has the following 79290 nodes: ... Has the following 15862 ways: Isn't there supposed to be a limit of 5 elements per

Re: [Talk-es] Nombre para plaza simbólica

2010-09-21 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2010/9/21 Jonay Santana jonay.sant...@gmail.com: 2010/9/21 Carlos Dávila cdavi...@orangecorreo.es El 21/09/10 12:56, Jonay Santana escribió:   Yo suelo marcar un área, le pongo de uso residential, y luego en name le pongo de nombre el que tuviera la urbanización. Es la misma metodología que

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Natural person in CT 3

2010-09-20 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 20 September 2010 23:26, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 September 2010 06:38, Ulf Möller o...@ulfm.de wrote: On the other hand, if someone has two accounts, we probably can rely on the honor system. Currently it's being suggested that people create a second account so

Re: [Talk-es] Open street view

2010-09-19 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Holas, 2010/9/19 Rubén Ferrer rubenferrer2...@yahoo.es Hola compañeros maperos, Mi primera intervencion en la lista en mucho tiempo. Estoy interesado en hacer una aplicación que sirva de visor de calle parecido al google view. Se trata de un Proyecto final de carrera. Agradecería que

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM book in English published

2010-09-16 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 16 September 2010 16:23, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: The fallacy that there's more errors online than in print is perpetuated by protectionists of those involved in the publication industry. When an error occurs in, say, the Oxford English Dictionary, how long does it take to get

Re: [Talk-es] Datos corine en Francia

2010-09-14 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2010/9/14 César Martínez Izquierdo cesar@gmail.com: Dejando aparte cuestiones de licencia, me gustaría explicar algún aspecto de la metodología de Corine. La resolución del ráster es 100 metros, es decir, que una celda equivale a 1 hectárea. Sin embargo, no se incluyen zonas menores de 25

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Would The ODbL and BY-SA Clash In A Database Extracted From a BY-SA Produced Work?

2010-09-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 7 September 2010 22:59, ed...@billiau.net wrote: 2) The worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable license to do any act that is restricted by copyright over anything within the Contents, whether in the original medium or any other gives them that. I got far enough

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OSM DWG tools

2010-09-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 9 September 2010 06:02, Eric Jarvies e...@csl.com.mx wrote: I would like to make some suggestions, that otherwise seem obvious to me, but may not seem the same to others.  This prompted by my recent experience with identifying OSM data on a notable third party site/source/repo. I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Church building rendering bug?

2010-09-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 8 September 2010 12:03, Martin Simon grenzde...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/8 Martin Simon grenzde...@gmail.com: 2010/9/8 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: Ah, so that is why. But in osmarender building are on top of areas, that seams more logical. Is there some special reason why

Re: [OSM-talk] Church building rendering bug?

2010-09-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 8 September 2010 18:47, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:08 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: mapped correctly .. for Mapnik. Because it works fine with osmarender for instance. This point will come again and again although it works fine when

Re: [OSM-talk] What would it cost to host an OSM tileset on AMZN Cloudfront?

2010-09-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 8 September 2010 19:50, Paul Houle p...@ontology2.com wrote:      Just for the heck of it,  I've been thinking about hosting OSM tilesets on AMZN's Cloudfront and I'd like to estimate what the cost would be.  What is the current size of the OSM tilesets and how much bandwidth gets used by

Re: [Talk-es] Datos corine en Francia

2010-09-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2010/9/8 Pablo Gómez pgo...@espeton.com: Union européenne - SOeS, CORINE Land Cover, 2006. CLC 2006 se ha podido importar en Francia y en Estonia porque las instituciones nacionales de estos paises responsables de Corine lo han permitido. EEA (la agencia de la UE) publica los datos de todos los

Re: [Talk-es] Datos corine en Francia

2010-09-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Buenas, 2010/9/8 Manuel García lendul...@gmail.com: El 08/09/2010 12:23, Pablo Gómez escribió: Por otra parte, también mencionas el caso de Estonia, que esta página del wiki ignora totalmente. Desactualización?. Bueno, voy a escribir a la EEA a ver si me lo aclaran. No se si les estaré

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM into OOo document

2010-09-07 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 7 September 2010 21:42, Donald Campbell II donaciano2...@gmail.com wrote: 2) Find some sort of online API or website that will let me give it a set of points by encoding them into a URL and then download an image. I tried playing around with GPSvisualizer since waypoints can be put into the

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] layers in OSM?

2010-09-05 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 5 September 2010 05:40, Zeke Farwell ezeki...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 3:32 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: yes, but it get's even harder when the information is split over several layers and you do edits without even seeing the data, because it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Noise vs unanswered questions

2010-09-03 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 3 September 2010 20:32, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: That poll is a bit misleading because there are two potential problems with imports.  One is the relicensing clause, but the other is the That's true, but the poll shows the point (to the extent that polls can show anything) that

Re: [Talk-es] crónica del taller de OSM para niño s

2010-09-02 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2010/9/2 Roberto Plà p...@aire.org: Leonardo Gutierrez wrote: Interesante, yo he trabajado con niños en mi ciudad duitama. http://hobbiesleo.blogspot.com/ Leonardo, tu blog es muy interesante. Yo tengo varias cometas y quería usarlas para hacer fotos aéreas (KAP) aunque andaba sobre la

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-09-01 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 2 September 2010 03:25, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: maps are expressly treated as artistic works by s.4(2)(a) of the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988 (to give a UK perspective). Pretty much the same thing in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Can OSM sources be public domain CC-0(zero)?

2010-09-01 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 1 September 2010 17:40, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Niklas Cholmkvist towards...@gmail.com wrote: Someone wrote: take the coordinates from Google Earth/Maps. I will not. That is a non-free source, the same reason I do not look/consider Wikimapia(google

Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco Geodata

2010-09-01 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 26 August 2010 22:15, Gregory Arenius greg...@arenius.com wrote: We need addresses if we want to have usable data for routing programs.  The addresses file has them in point format.  The city lots file also has addresses or address ranges for each parcel.  Has anybody done imports of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-31 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 31 August 2010 17:00, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Maarten Deen schrieb: On 29-8-2010 19:21, Rob Myers wrote: It's basically the same as copyright assignment. Which can work well for projects of non-profit foundations. Copyright assignment is not signing a blank sheet of paper.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence Implementation plan - declines or non-responses

2010-08-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 31 August 2010 04:22, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Then go through the tags.  Start from the creation of the element.  If a tag was added by an accepter, keep it.  If a tag created by an accepter was modified by an accepter, make the modification. What's the identity of the tag though, is

Re: [OSM-talk] Notifications for objects touched by a given user

2010-08-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 30 August 2010 08:59, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know if there is an easy way for a user (A) to receive notifications (either by email or by some API query (RSS or Atom results best, but any XML format would do)) for objects that have been changed that the

Re: [OSM-talk] Community vs. Licensing

2010-08-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 30 August 2010 12:11, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:02, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: cc-by-sa (and almost? every viral license) allows for forking as long as said fork is under the same license. Note the number of Wikipedia forks and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compatibility of new license with old

2010-08-27 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 27 August 2010 10:28, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 08/27/2010 04:43 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I would like to know if the new license is compatible with the old one. will we be able to use CC-SA-2.0 licensed data or we will have to get new contracts with the

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-23 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 23 August 2010 16:21, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I also agree it would be absurd to have OSM handle over the account data of its contributors (and is against almost any privacy law at least in Europe). There is also no logics in that: people who want to can simply

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0 continuation

2010-08-22 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 22 August 2010 13:08, Florian Heer florianheerf...@yahoo.de wrote: Felix Hartmann schrieb:  Instead of just moaning about the Odbl, let's stark working on a future without Odbl. So let's do our best to convince as many mappers as possible to not accept Odbl, reopen registration to people

Re: [OSM-talk] iPad app

2010-08-20 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 20 August 2010 23:24, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote:  On 20.08.2010 21:12, bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote: [...] But editing with a touchscreen is not easy. How to set a point using a finger? If you put the finger to the screen, you don't see where the point is set. The

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] NearMap Community Licence and OSM Contributor Terms

2010-08-19 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 19 August 2010 22:05, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I don't think they're being unreasonable about the future, we all have points to make about the process, the CT's etc. It's holding the past data hostage I don't personally feel is very cool. That's just another words to say not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Size of NearMap Contribution

2010-08-19 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 20 August 2010 03:09, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: one million objects is really not something we should make a big fuss about. [...] After the Haiti earthquake, 1 million objects were traced by 300 people in two weeks. So 300 mappers' work is not something we should make

Re: [OSM-talk] I don't want companies stealing OSM data that I contribute!

2010-08-19 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 19 August 2010 12:07, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK with new Contributor Terms [1] all data entered into OSM can be taken by some company, closed and they could create a product made profit on it. How did you come to this conclusion? Cheers

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
For some time I have been thinking about making a tileserver / WMS with a visualisation of OSM GPS traces, but one where you can see how many traces overlap at a given point (so some kind of heat map thing). This would be used for tracing in JOSM instead of displaying all the traces in the same

Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer

2010-08-18 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 18 August 2010 14:57, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The centre line is obvious The problem is when you really have a lot of traces in an area. Considering that people also upload non-car driving traces, and traces from broken GPSes or simply with really big horizontal error, at

Re: [Talk-es] Huevos de pascua y control de aspecto

2010-08-18 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2010/8/18 Carlos Dávila cdavi...@orangecorreo.es: El 18/08/10 01:57, Roberto Plà escribió: ¿Como controlar el aspecto fnal de dos vias muy proximas? El aspecto dependerá del renderizador que se use y una de las reglas a seguir es no mapear para el renderizador, o sea, no mapear pensando en el

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 8 August 2010 13:25, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't it going to present some complicated management problems if the LWG changes the contributor terms at this stage in the process?  There are already some 30,000 accounts that have signed up to CT 1.0, if the next batch agrees to a

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 8 August 2010 13:25, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: What mandate does LWG have to change the contributor terms anyway?  Would they need to put it to a vote of OSMF members or would they need to follow the

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-05 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 5 August 2010 11:27, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Actually... I'm not sure you would :)  My reasoning is thus; OSM members are interested in mapping, and relish the power of JOSM or Potlatch (I do myself).  You don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-05 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 5 August 2010 12:44, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: One signup page, one E-Mail confirmation, and then click ok for the OAuth page. How often does the modern Internet user do that every day? Exactly that is the problem! I have to sign-up to far too many

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-05 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 5 August 2010 17:09, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Let's imagine nearmap have been running their new editor and 'cloaking' all their users under the one account for a couple of years, and that their editor is great and everyone wants to use it. * I want to run a mapping

Re: [Talk-us] A Friendly Guide to 'Bots and Imports

2010-08-05 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 5 August 2010 21:46, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 8, 2000 at 4:20 PM, Katie Filbert filbe...@gmail.com wrote: Leaving imports to local mappers is good.  They are best able to assess the quality of the data for that area an care about quality of their local map

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-04 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 4 August 2010 15:47, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: You kind of have a point there with addresses and all; assume you'd just produce your very own database of house numbers built by your users, then release that, say, as PD or CC0. It would only be days until someone in OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map slides

2010-08-04 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
but actually promised a plugin. It later turned out that there's no after-upload hook for plugins so I'm just attaching the patch. You also need to run wget openstreetmap.pl/balrog/beep.wav -O ~/.josm/beep.wav) Cheers From c39182908789f38fd01e7a61d0b2333a6e474cad Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Andrzej

Re: [Talk-us] Abbreviation Police

2010-08-04 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 4 August 2010 08:23, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Kevin Atkinson ke...@atkinson.dhs.org wrote: On Tue, 3 Aug 2010, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: On 3 Aug 2010, at 22:32 , Kevin Atkinson wrote: most of the times I see it name=Frontage Road

Re: [Talk-us] Directional Prefix/Postfix Proposal

2010-07-31 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 1 August 2010 03:54, Kevin Atkinson ke...@atkinson.dhs.org wrote:  1) An exception to the abbreviation rule for directional indicators     with the fully expanded name going into alt_name First I'd like to oppose making exceptions from the global rules in local rules. The global rules are

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 30 July 2010 13:35, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we just need better tools to summerise changes made, rather than trying to get something meaningful by way of the comment field... A commit message is not only a summary of what is being changed but also why it's being

Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 30 July 2010 18:07, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: Maybe in the long run, power editors like JOSM will allow you to keep mutliple changesets open at the same time, switching between them by the click of a button, or even allowing you so easily sort and filter edits (all those with bus

Re: [Talk-us] Removing tiger:* tags

2010-07-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 30 July 2010 21:00, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: There's another, very important use for the tiger:reviewed tag. As I've said above, that's the one tiger tag I don't remove (until I've reviewed the way, of

Re: [Talk-us] Removing tiger:* tags

2010-07-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 30 July 2010 22:12, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: Do we really need the database space that badly? I've heard arguments on the talk list that this clutters the database and similarly wikipedia= tags should be massively removed and if at all, links should be maintained then

Re: [Talk-us] Removing tiger:* tags

2010-07-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 31 July 2010 00:50, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:36 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Also note that once there's a photo on flickr that is tagged with an osm object id and a foursquare.com venue id at the same time, you have a link

Re: [Talk-us] Removing tiger:* tags

2010-07-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 31 July 2010 02:24, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:11 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 July 2010 00:50, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:36 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Also

Re: [Talk-us] Removing tiger:* tags

2010-07-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 31 July 2010 02:33, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:28 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see how it changes anything.  If a piece of interstate I-405 is described by one relation or two ways one for each carriage in osm, and 10

Re: [Talk-us] Removing tiger:* tags

2010-07-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 31 July 2010 03:02, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:44 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 July 2010 02:33, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:28 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: I

Re: [Talk-us] Removing tiger:* tags

2010-07-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
So are you saying you or someone else will be checking all TLIDs against the TIGER data and correcting errors and adding missing ones? I can imagine someone making some clever scripts and then manually verifying it where there are doubts as a kind of personal project of the week or something.

Re: [Talk-us] Removing tiger:* tags

2010-07-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 31 July 2010 04:06, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:40 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: So are you saying you or someone else will be checking all TLIDs against the TIGER data and correcting errors and adding missing ones? I can imagine

Re: [Talk-us] Removing tiger:* tags

2010-07-29 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 29 July 2010 19:12, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: One responded that it was because they were sometimes wrong (which is, of course, true, for those roads that we've corrected) and that they did not seem to provide any useful data. However, they also contain the original

Re: [Talk-us] Removing tiger:* tags

2010-07-29 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 30 July 2010 00:58, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Please define them in the wiki, and I'll keep them.  Unless I have a definition, I have no way of determining if they're correct or not. So you're going to delete anything you can't verify? Well good luck. Cheers

Re: [Talk-us] Removing tiger:* tags

2010-07-29 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 30 July 2010 02:26, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: But as I've shown (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/44945783) the tlids don't even make sense.  tiger:tlid = 86486485:86486486:86486387;

Re: [Talk-us] Removing tiger:* tags

2010-07-29 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 30 July 2010 03:04, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: If the tlids represent the original set of data from which the bridge might have come, then it's best off in the history. And sticking with the theme of creating a general

Re: [OSM-talk] Image Of The Week proposal

2010-07-28 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 28 July 2010 13:15, Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu wrote: Bu to be the first: Where's the Openstreetmap attribution? Since all data was collected by one mapper, their consent would be enough to allow publication without the attribution. Cheers

Re: [OSM-talk] Image Of The Week proposal

2010-07-28 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 28 July 2010 15:28, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 7:43 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 July 2010 13:15, Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu wrote: Bu to be the first: Where's the Openstreetmap attribution? Since all data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-25 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 25 July 2010 12:21, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: TimSC wrote: We should also get an official statement from OSMF that they will not assert their database rights on our contributions. Of course if OSMF were to say that they don't assert database right on any contribution made

[OSM-talk] Ideas for a workshop

2010-07-24 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, in a couple of weeks Creative Commons here is organising what they call Culture 2.0 Camp and some of the organisers are very interested in the digitalisation and archiving of the cultural heritage of the village where the camp is hosted. (An almost completely unmapped place by the way).

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-23 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 24 July 2010 00:02, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 11 Jul 2010, Kai Krueger wrote: So far the the impressions I got from the members of the licensing group vary from anywhere between e.g. 10% data loss is

Re: [OSM-talk] Divided/Non-Divided Intersection

2010-07-22 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I haven't seen it answered in the end. On 11 July 2010 10:23, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: John Smith wrote: On 11 July 2010 06:43, Chris Dombroski cdombroski+...@icanttype.org wrote: I ask because I think this is the cause of stupid GPS

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-21 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2010/7/21 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: Am 20.07.2010 22:06, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: Because each of us is an author of a little chunk of data and want to have a say in how that chunk is released? (For example as a share-alike fan I want my own personal mapping to influence those

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-20 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 19 July 2010 23:16, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:04:55PM +0100, Emilie Laffray wrote: This is the same about anything using contract law. Someone breaking the contract and redistributing it doesn't remove the contract that is given with the data. They

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 20 July 2010 01:32, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: The proposed license change makes two concessions to the PD advocates. One is that you get a (symbolic) chance of officially declaring your contribution PD. This does not have legal relevance, as you cannot extract PD data

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 20 July 2010 11:07, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If any any future time OSM thinks that a non-share-alike license would be best - why should we, today, try to dictate our wish to them? Because each of us is an author of a little chunk of data and want to have a say in how that

Re: [Talk-es] A vueltas con las gasolineras

2010-07-20 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2010/7/18 Celso González ce...@mitago.net: = Provincia, Localidad y Dirección, ¿añado las etiquetas is_in y addr: correspondientes? Direcciones sisisi. Provincia y localidad no se, lo que habria que hacer es tratar solamente los casos donde mityc no esta de acuerdo con los limites importados,

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-19 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 19 July 2010 22:06, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: 4. Is their contribution so important to OSM that OSM will let them decide what licenses are acceptable for us? It's similar to the compiler warnings, sometimes you don't want to change your code just because the compiler can't

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 17 July 2010 10:34, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Michael Barabanov wrote: 1. OSMF does change the license without any regard; people who are against ODBL get pissed off and stop contributing (lost for OSM?). No data loss from the database. 2. OSMF does not do that;

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 18 July 2010 12:31, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: andrzej zaborowski wrote: AFAIK the majority of data currently in OSM in Poland comes from that other project, which still has lots more contributors than OSM here. Is it totally hopeless to contact these contributors and ask

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 18 July 2010 19:54, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: And anyway, you're comparing it to an absolute situation of status quo - that we all just hum along on CCBYSA because nearmap won't work with us. We can't do that. We all (well nearly all) know that CCBYSA just doesn't work, so

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 19 July 2010 01:04, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 6:06 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: [ snip ] Maybe when you say ODbL you mean ODbL + CT, but I'll just point out that John didn't seem to oppose ODbL, perhaps the opposite, just opposing

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways

2010-07-01 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 1 July 2010 12:32, Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru wrote: Although Mapnik does not repeat names, it repeats ref for trunks: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=57.69949lon=28.33726zoom=16layers=B000FTF (scroll it north/south) So I don't think repeating names would be a problem. The fact

Re: [OSM-talk] [Accessibility] You have killed accessibility!

2010-07-01 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 2 July 2010 02:55, Nolan Darilek no...@thewordnerd.info wrote: There are also CAPTCHA options that don't rely on either sight or hearing. I'm only blind, so the audio CAPTCHA would work for me, but I can't silently sit by when my own disability is accounted for at the expense of another.

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering street names across several ways

2010-07-01 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 2 July 2010 03:42, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:23 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: I think the rules for joining segments by osm2pgsql should be something like: ... But hang on. Do we actually want to join segments [ways], or do we

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] NHD data skipped by nhd2osm

2010-06-28 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 28 June 2010 04:36, Nakor nakor@gmail.com wrote: On 06/23/2010 01:07 PM, James U wrote: 2.  Merge all the files in josm.  Make sure you have allocated a lot of memory to josm as this can take a lot of memory.  It will also take a lot of time. Would it be possible to add a

Re: [Talk-us] Percentage of data imported vs mapped

2010-06-23 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 23 June 2010 18:12, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-23 at 12:05 -0400, Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:42 AM, McGuire, Matthew matt.mcgu...@metc.state.mn.us wrote: Does anyone know the percentage of OSM data that is imported vs mapped in the US? How does

Re: [Talk-es] coordenadas en wgs84 en openlayers-osm

2010-06-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Buenas, 2010/6/8 ouɐɯnH fredyriv...@gmail.com:               defaultHandlerOptions: {                   'single': true,                   'double': false,                   'pixelTolerance': 0,                   'stopSingle': false,                   'stopDouble': false,                  

Re: [Talk-es] Nuevo OpenstreetBugs

2010-06-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2010/6/8 Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.com: Hola, llevo unos días buscando navegadores GPS basados en OSM, y me encontré con Skobbler. Skobbler, de momento está disponible para iPhone, Blackberry, algunos Nokia, y muy muy pronto, lo estará para Android. Se trata de una solución GPS que

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CC-BY-SA and derivate works

2010-06-07 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 7 June 2010 21:40, Alexrk alex...@yahoo.de wrote: Frederik Ramm schrieb am 07.06.2010 19:36: So if that interpretation of CC-BY-SA is correct, practically no one would be able to do really creative things with OSM if she or he would like to get a ROI on that work? Our standard reply

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-31 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 31 May 2010 19:57, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Anthony wrote: By these definitions, something that is able to be confirmed as true or false in an official online source is actually *more* verifiable than something written on a street sign in a place where Google Street View

Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki

2010-05-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 30 May 2010 09:40, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 May 2010 15:39, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: If the dispute can not be resolved through discussion, then the simple default rule is that whatever name, designation, etc are used by the people on the ground at that

Re: [OSM-talk] Random Hacks of Kindness

2010-05-25 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 25 May 2010 13:00, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Or if contributing to large existing projects is out-of-scope, then how about a simple website that you can paste in urls of tileservers and KML files that are then displayed together. So I can view arbitrary KML files over

Re: [Talk-es] Más absorciones

2010-05-25 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Buenas, 2010/5/24 David Marín Carreño dav...@gmail.com: Un place=region es una extensión del terreno del tamaño de una región, con nivel administrativo situado entre state y county. Solo en la opinion de nominatim, porque en realidad region es una palabra generica que creo que puede significar

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Editing Derived Database Extracts and ODbL

2010-05-21 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 21 May 2010 14:47, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: Share-Alike: If you publicly use any adapted version of this database, or works produced from an adapted database, you must also offer that adapted database under the ODbL. (I am trusting/hoping the human readable terms match

Re: [Talk-us] Cloudmade california.osm: dups or osmosis bug?

2010-05-21 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
missing part of the patch or is there another setting to create the Factory?  Thanks,  Mike Nice -- From: andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 2:40 PM To: David Carmean d...@halibut.com Cc: osmosis

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-19 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 19 May 2010 19:14, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 16:42, Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: - Don't put in copyrighted data. It should either be your own work or something that there is clear permission to use. Perhaps just talk about data you

Re: [Talk-es] ¿Alguien me convierte unos .LOG a .G PX?

2010-05-19 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2010/5/19 Temporalista temporali...@gmail.com: 2010/5/19 Colegota El Villano el_coleg...@villanos.net Buenas, Aunque sea abusar del hilo... ¿Cómo limpiáis ese ruido de puntos que se alejan del camino? A raíz de una pregunta de un amigo en un foro Varias personas usan un plugin de josm

Re: [Talk-us] Street Naming Conventions

2010-05-17 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 15 May 2010 05:58, David ``Smith'' vidthe...@gmail.com wrote:  I now believe that it is /also/ acceptable for the name=* tag to specify the full, unabbreviated name -- however, if abbreviation of that name is used commonly and consistently, then that abbreviated form should go in

Re: [OSM-talk] Villain?

2010-05-14 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 14 May 2010 14:25, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:  Not only that, but more than one 'hero' belongs in the 'villain' category for blind and ill-considered duplicate elimination, causing a hopeless tangle of map elements which makes proper editing difficult to impossible. At least there are

[OSM-talk] Potential Datasources wiki pages

2010-05-13 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
I notice that after the user registration changes, all the Potential_Datasources pages in the wiki now need to be extra careful about who the audience is. There probably should now be three columns on each of the pages, because there are three classes of users: the old users (CC-By-SA), the new

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-13 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 13 May 2010 13:07, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Andrzej, andrzej zaborowski wrote: 1) A creates road; B edits road; C edits road. 2) A creates road; B deletes road; C undeletes road. Well, I can kind of see a problem here (and am not in the states now :-) ).  In both

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-13 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 13 May 2010 14:18, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, andrzej zaborowski wrote: That's exactly what I'm saying -- I assumed user C is a new user, registered after the recent change, and B an old user.  So by uploading any change, user C confirms that they hold the copyright

[OSM-legal-talk] Adding a source to Our contributors

2010-05-12 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright lists a couple of the big contributors. I'm not sure where the limit is, but there's a CC-By-SA source that we've been using in Poland for the last over two years, currently I estmate there must be 2 or 3 million nodes derived from that source in places

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New OSM contributor licensing under ODbL and CC-BY-SA started today

2010-05-12 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 12/05/10 16:23, Jochen Topf wrote: This puts the OSMF in a unique position to undermine the whole project. If somebody subverts the OSMF, he can do whatever he wants with the data. I don't think its a good idea to expose the OSMF to even the possibility of that happening. The whole

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 13 May 2010 02:32, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Anthony wrote:         What if a new contributor reverts it?  Would the revert then be         considered ODBL?     A revert is an edit like any other. What does that mean? It means that the legal situation in the following

Re: [Talk-es] wiki comunidad de madrid (place - is_in)

2010-05-09 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Buenas, 2010/5/9 sergio sevillano sergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com: entonces, el ladrillazo: place=village name=Alalpardo is_in=Valdeolmos - Alalpardo;Madrid;Comunidad de Madrid;Spain;Europe is_in:continent=Europe is_in:country=Spain is_in:country_code=ES is_in:region=Comunidad de Madrid

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