Bayesian Filters

2002-12-16 Thread Ron Jeffries
Hi all, I was talking with a friend about Bayesian mail filters, which apparently learn to sort one's mail by being given examples. Is anyone using such a filter with TheBat!? Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks, Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com He who will not apply new remedies must

Re: Bayesian Filters

2002-12-16 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Ron, On 16-12-2002 13:08, you [R] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: R I was talking with a friend about Bayesian mail filters, which R apparently learn to sort one's mail by being given examples. Is R anyone using such a filter with TheBat!? Any advice will be R app

Re: Bayesian Filters

2002-12-16 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Ron, I was talking with a friend about Bayesian mail filters, which apparently learn to sort one's mail by being given examples. Is anyone using such a filter with TheBat!? Any advice will be appreciated. See a thread with Subject: [SOT] The best filter for SPAM started yesterday

Filters for both in and out boxes

2002-12-15 Thread M. Evans
Maybe others have mentioned this idea: let the same filter apply to both Inbox and Outbox so that I don't have to keep defining the same filter twice, once for recipient and once for sender. Ideally, filters should not be associated with Inbox, Outbox, Sent Mail, or any other default folder

Re: Filters for both in and out boxes

2002-12-15 Thread Thomas Fernandez
. Actually, I always use Presence in Kludges in order to cover both recipient and sender. What I still have to do is create two filters, one for incoming and one for outgoing mail. I therefore suggested repeatedly that these filter functions (incoming, outgoing, read, replied) should not be seperated

Recovering deleted filters

2002-11-27 Thread Carter Thomas
HI! tbudl: I accidently deleted a set of office filters for sorting incoming mail. (I thought I was deleting just one rule but ended up deleting the entire set.) Is there anyway to recover the deleted set? (I had about 40+ spam filters in there and I don't really want to recreate them from

Re: Recovering deleted filters

2002-11-27 Thread Spike
Hello Carter Thomas, On or about Wednesday, November 27, 2002 at 07:56:28GMT -0800 (which was 10:56 AM in the tropics where I live) Carter Thomas wrote; CT I accidently deleted a set of office filters for sorting incoming CT mail. (I thought I was deleting just one rule but ended up deleting CT

Re: Recovering deleted filters

2002-11-27 Thread Simon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Carter, On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:56:28 -0800 your time, you said: CT Is there anyway to recover the deleted set? (I had about 40+ spam CT filters in there and I don't really want to recreate them from scratch.) Did you back up your TB

Re[2]: Recovering deleted filters

2002-11-27 Thread Carter Thomas
Is there anyway to recover the deleted set? (I had about 40+ spam CT filters in there and I don't really want to recreate them from scratch.) Did you back up your TB! message base folder by any chance? That'll be your only route now! :( - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk

Re:Wild Cards in filters (was: no subject))

2002-11-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Mike, On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:38:03 -0700 GMT (10/11/02, 23:38 +0700 GMT), Mike wrote: Can anyone imagine whether the fields in the filter add section accept wild cards? You can use wild cards if you enable Regular Expressions in the Advanced tab of the sorting Office. IN addition to

Re: Filters.

2002-10-25 Thread Adam
be childs play and also, how a quick key can run all the filters CW for me (Re-Filter Folder). View/Edit Shortcuts/Folder and click on Re-filter. CW Saves going through the menus and selecting CW the 'Read' filter aswell. I don't know how to do that. If the checkboxes are not set right, you have

Re: Filters.

2002-10-25 Thread Chris Weaven
Hi Adam, On Friday, October 25, 2002 14:26 your local time, which was 09:56 my local time, Adam Adam [A] wrote; CW It's working fine now! Just need to work on the delete filter which CW should be childs play and also, how a quick key can run all the CW filters for me (Re-Filter Folder). A View

Re: Filters.

2002-10-25 Thread Adam
Hello Chris, Friday, October 25, 2002, 2:50:47 PM, you wrote: CW I've set up a nice little hot-key through PowerPro to execute what I CW require. It goes through the menus and selects the read filters aswell Oh, did you? That would sound a little tricky. And you would presume some first state

Re: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Luc
Good evening Chris, It was foretold that on 24-10-2002 12:52:32 GMT-0700 (which was 21:52:32 where I live) Chris Weaven would mumble: snipped a bit CW How do I trigger a bunch of filters together rather than running 1 at a CW time? Can't help you out on that because i only use my

Re: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Chris Weaven
on L the folder and add your filter. You now created a read filter. I've got a few in there that I've now turned to manual. How do I trigger a bunch of filters together rather than running 1 at a time? Cheers, Chris. -- E-Mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Created Using The Bat! V1.61 and Virus Checked

Re: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Luc
Good evening Chris, It was foretold that on 24-10-2002 10:49:39 GMT-0700 (which was 19:49:39 where I live) Chris Weaven would mumble: snipped a bit JN The read/unread switch will not be there, because you address that JN in the type of filter you use. For example, a read filter will, JN

Re: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Chris Weaven
mail. How is this done? JN Instead of manual filters, consider making more extensive use of JN read filters. Instead of flagging messages that you want to JN delete and then filtering around them and then deleting them, just JN delete them after they're read, if you are going to read them, or JN

Re: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Joseph N.
be sure that you also set your account options not to mark a message as read when it is still in the preview pane. FWIW, people's preferences are different, but I don't really think that the setup you described is the most elegant way to do what you want. Instead of manual filters, consider making

Re[2]: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Patrick G.
Hello Chris, On Thursday, October 24, 2002, 3:52:32 PM, you wrote: CW I've got a few in there that I've now turned to manual. CW How do I trigger a bunch of filters together rather than running 1 at a CW time? I think this is what you are looking for: You can do this on a per folder basis

Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Chris Weaven
messages are to be filtered to their respective folders 6. All this to be run manually from one hot-key I can work on the individual mail filters to each folder, but want to know how to trigger a selection of filters together. Any mails regarding TBOT, TBUDL and TBTECH will automatically go

Re: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Chris Weaven
Hi Patrick, On Thursday, October 24, 2002 16:49 your local time, which was 13:49 my local time, Patrick G. [PG] wrote; CW How do I trigger a bunch of filters together rather than running 1 at a CW time? PG You can do this on a per folder basis by right clicking the folder PG select Re-filter

Re: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Chris Weaven
Hi, On Thursday, October 24, 2002 14:25 our local time, Chris Weaven [CW] wrote; CW I've added a host of names into the alternative and when i manually CW run the filter, nothing happens? Forgot to add, these filters were working when set to automatic. Chris. -- E-Mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re[2]: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Patrick G.
in the bottom of CW the 'Rule' tab in filters compared to adding addresses in CW 'Alternatives'? My understanding of this is adding under filter sets under the rules tab treats them as boolean 'AND' where the alternatives tab is treated as 'OR' CW I've added a host of names into the alternative

Re: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Allie C Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In mid:13314440474.20021024142518;Surfcity.net, Chris Weaven [CW] wrote:' CW Okay, what's the difference between adding addresses in the CW bottom of the 'Rule' tab in filters These are 'and' strings meaning that all the strings and their conditions

Re: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Chris Weaven
Hi Allie, On Thursday, October 24, 2002 17:38 your local time, which was 15:38 my local time, Allie Martin wrote; CW I've added a host of names into the alternative and when i manually CW run the filter, nothing happens? We need to know more on what you're trying to do and what you've done so

Re: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Allie C Martin
, but as mentioned, even when CW deleting, it would still filter to the family folder. I've now CW set this filter to manual and try to run it, but it does nothing CW :-( I've a few others that were working as automatic, but now CW manual, don't do anything? How did you set the filters to manual? The options Rule

Re: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Chris Weaven
, even when CW deleting, it would still filter to the family folder. I've now CW set this filter to manual and try to run it, but it does nothing CW :-( I've a few others that were working as automatic, but now CW manual, don't do anything? How did you set the filters to manual? The options Rule

Re: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Allie C Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In mid:13820928243.20021024161326;Surfcity.net, Chris Weaven [CW] wrote:' CW It's working fine now! Just need to work on the delete filter CW which should be childs play and also, how a quick key can run CW all the filters for me (Re-Filter Folder

Re: Filters.

2002-10-24 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Chris, On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 at 08:56:56 [GMT -0700], you wrote: CW I hope that makes sense to everyone and that it's possible and CW someone can help me complete this mission :-) I read the entire thread, but just picked this one to reply to. Have you read:

Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-14 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Scott, On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 at 13:16:09 [GMT -0500], you wrote: SM What's wrong with doing it the way you do it now, mark, copy, SM paste it to the filter list. I mean, how often do you change your SM filters? It's not like you do it every day or whatever. In the context of grabbing

Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-14 Thread Leif Gregory
to export in some fashion some or even all the filters in an account which could be e-mailed or such to another machine. I would just prefer to have some level of interactivity in determining which of the (such as in my case 50+ filters) to import. Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator

Re[2]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-14 Thread Scott McNay
of Alists message where you might be the recipient of LG maybe 20 to 30 filters, that's a lot of geek read to decide if it's a LG filter you want to install. Yes, imagine a filter trojan that just deletes your email for you, all because you imported someone else's filters without looking at them. I'd

Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello alists, On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 at 06:47:55 [GMT -0700], you wrote: awc when TB receives it, it would automatically cause the new filter awc be loaded to the receiving machine. Don't know about that part. I'd hate to get an e-mail from a spammer that modifies my filters to allow his SPAM

Re[2]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Scott McNay
Hi, Leif! Sunday, October 13, 2002, 11:35:32 AM, you wrote: awc when TB receives it, it would automatically cause the new filter awc be loaded to the receiving machine. LG Don't know about that part. I'd hate to get an e-mail from a spammer LG that modifies my filters to allow his SPAM to get

Re[3]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists
Hello Scott, Sunday, October 13, 2002, 11:16:09 AM, you wrote: SM What's wrong with doing it the way you do it now, mark, copy, paste it SM to the filter list. I mean, how often do you change your filters? It's SM not like you do it every day or whatever. as new junk mail comes in i'm

Re[2]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists
Hello Leif, Sunday, October 13, 2002, 9:35:32 AM, you wrote: LG Don't know about that part. I'd hate to get an e-mail from a LG spammer that modifies my filters to allow his SPAM to get LG through. Maybe a parser that would pop up a dialog box so LG that you can put a checkbox next to each

Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Allie C Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Mcnay [SM] wrote:' SM What's wrong with doing it the way you do it now, mark, copy, SM paste it to the filter list. I mean, how often do you change SM your filters? It's not like you do it e

Re[4]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Scott McNay
Hi, alists! Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:37:33 PM, you wrote: awc as new junk mail comes in i'm always adding filters Every day? Mostly I add whitelist filters maybe one a week, and even then, with the $KNOWN$ filter, that catches most of everything already. Most of my new filters

Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Thomas F.
Hello alists, On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:40:05 -0700 GMT (14/10/02, 01:40 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: awc [...] .. i'd like to have TB! installed on all the machines, and awc be able to easily share my filters. plus some are pretty awc complicated to set up... and maintain

Re[2]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Scott McNay
Hi, Allie! Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:49:27 PM, you wrote: ACM I'd be happy with the current method if I could select and copy more ACM than a single filter at a time. Currently, I have to copy and paste Oh, I'm not arguaing about that. I'm surprised that that ability wasn't added long ago.

Re[2]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists
Hello Thomas, Sunday, October 13, 2002, 11:54:22 AM, you wrote: TF Hello alists, TF On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:40:05 -0700 GMT (14/10/02, 01:40 +0700 GMT), TF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TF awc [...] .. i'd like to have TB! installed on all the machines, and TF awc be able to easily share my filters

Re[5]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists
Hello Scott, Sunday, October 13, 2002, 11:52:27 AM, you wrote: SM Mostly I add whitelist filters maybe one a week, and even then, with SM the $KNOWN$ filter, that catches most of everything already. Most of SM my new filters are for ill-behaved non-standard lists. i don't know what

Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Gary
Hi Scott, On Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:52 PM, you put forth, in part, about Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters across computers: awc as new junk mail comes in i'm always adding filters S Every day? S Mostly I add whitelist filters maybe one a week, and even

Re[6]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Scott McNay
..plus i have a awc lot of distribution lists.. and other net business.. i just added awc 2 filters today for mailings i want to sort into different awc folders. i wish i had the option to bounce awc it! that would be cool!! You should have a $KNOWN$ filter in your list of filters; it catches

Re[7]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists
Hello Scott, Sunday, October 13, 2002, 12:27:40 PM, you wrote: SM You should have a $KNOWN$ filter in your list of filters; it catches SM emails that are from email addresses that are in your address book. SM That's an example of a whitelist; it identifies emails that you want, SM

Re[7]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Dave Crocker
Scott, Sunday, October 13, 2002, 12:27:40 PM, you wrote: SM You should have a $KNOWN$ filter in your list of filters; it catches SM emails that are from email addresses that are in your address book. SM That's an example of a whitelist; it identifies emails that you want, SM not emails

Re[8]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists
Hello Dave, Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:04:19 PM, you wrote: DC You can use the same idea for creating a blacklist. DC I created a separate address book, called killfile, and discard all mail DC from anyone that is KNOWN in that address book. what i've found is that the messages are from tons

Re[9]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Scott McNay
Hi, Laura! Sunday, October 13, 2002, 3:09:28 PM, you wrote: DC I created a separate address book, called killfile, and discard all mail DC from anyone that is KNOWN in that address book. awc what i've found is that the messages are from tons of different awc sources.. often the same message..

Re[10]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists
Hello Scott, Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:28:05 PM, you wrote: Unless you have SM more than several dozen spams coming in daily, I'd say that that's SM probably adequate. I get 150 or so per day that are junk! often more... which is why I need to get some easy way to handle it! thanks!

Re[11]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Scott McNay
Hi, Laura! Sunday, October 13, 2002, 3:36:28 PM, you wrote: awc I get 150 or so per day that are junk! often more... Well, I'm not up to that point. Yet. :) -- --Scott. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real,

Re[9]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Dave Crocker
Sunday, October 13, 2002, 1:09:28 PM, you wrote: DC I created a separate address book, called killfile, and discard all DC mail from anyone that is KNOWN in that address book. awc what i've found is that the messages are from tons of different awc sources.. often the same message.. so for

Re: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread Thomas F.
of these machines. awc i would like them to have the same filters on all machines.. awc she's trying TB now.. ^ Multiple personality? awc just an idea.. that obviously needs more thought... when I try to awc tell people about all the capabilities, especially more awc complicated

Re[2]: Setting Global Account Settings sharing filters acrosscomputers

2002-10-13 Thread alists
a checkbox that says to LG inherit settings or something. It could even be a menued virtual LG account so that the master account doesn't even have to show up in the LG accounts list. This will tie in the filters, templates, message list LG column views etc. Oh, how I wish filters were global. having

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-12 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Thomas, On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 at 23:05:44[GMT +0700](which was 17:05 where I live) you wrote: TF If you are talking about addressbook groups, I suspect you may have TF your own address in that group too. So when you send a message to the TF whole group, you'll get it as an incoming mail, of

Re[4]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-10 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Scott, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 at22:53:39[GMT -0500](which was 04:53 where I live) you wrote: SM If it's not a mailing list, then it doesn't really make sense, unless SM you have (had) some kind of configuration problem where TB! thought that the SM inbox folder was the Sent Mail folder. I

Re[6]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-10 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Scott, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at21:53:39[GMT -0500](which was 03:53 where I live) you wrote: MW Are you saying you want *another* copy sent to you? RW Well some of my mail (most if it actually) comes to the inbox anyway RW so why doesn't it all so that it can all automatically get threaded?

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-10 Thread Thomas F.
Hello Richard, On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:11:04 +0100 GMT (10/10/02, 16:11 +0700 GMT), Richard Wakeford wrote: SM If it's not a mailing list, then it doesn't really make sense, SM unless you have (had) some kind of configuration problem where SM TB! thought that the inbox folder was the Sent Mail

Re[6]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Scott, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at21:53:39[GMT -0500](which was 03:53 where I live) you wrote: SM I suspect that you're confusing messages for a mailing list and normal SM non-list messages. SM When you send a normal (non-list) message, TB sends the email, then SM plops it into the

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Thomas, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 at11:31:35[GMT +0700](which was 05:31 where I live) you wrote: RW Even more baffled. So, if I send a mail to someone who is not in my RW address book or on a mailing list, I have to CC it to myself to get a RW copy? TF It has nothing to do with your

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Marcus Ohlstrm
On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 08:25, Richard Wakeford wrote: Until yesterday all my sent mail came back to the Inbox without a CC or rule. Could it be your ISP automatically adding a BCC to you on every mail you send? Ask them! -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v1.60q on

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Gerard
into the appropriate folder. / begin smart tip alert When I am working with filters I usually also set a colour in the same filter together with the action I am trying to create. This makes it easy to check wether a certain filter was triggered and used ;-) / end smart tip alert RW I think I'm slowly getting

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread myob
Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 8:22:54 AM, you wrote: MO On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 08:25, Richard Wakeford wrote: Until yesterday all my sent mail came back to the Inbox without a CC or rule. MO Could it be your ISP automatically adding a BCC to you on every mail you MO send? Ask them!

Export filters?

2002-10-09 Thread syv
Hi, Is there a way to export the filters? Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Export filters?

2002-10-09 Thread Joseph N.
On Wednesday, October 09, 2002, syv wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: s Is there a way to export the filters? syv, I'm not sure what is your ultimate intended use, so there may be other ways to accomplish your objectives, but each filter can be copied and the

Re: Export filters?

2002-10-09 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo syv, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:42:22 -0700GMT (9-10-02, 16:42 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: s Is there a way to export the filters? Only the manual way: Ctrl-C Ctrl-V into a text-file and to copy the whole sorting office, the account.srx file. -- Groetjes, Roelof

Re: Export filters?

2002-10-09 Thread Gerard
ON Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 4:42:22 PM, you wrote: s Is there a way to export the filters? Hi syv, You can copy (ctrl-c) and Paste (Ctr-V) them. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The sex was so good that even the neighbors had

Re[2]: Export filters?

2002-10-09 Thread syv
On Wednesday, October 09, 2002, Joseph N. wrote: The purpose is to move some of the filters to the mail server [mostly to filter spam] and to make sure I do not miss some. -Original Message- JNOn Wednesday, October 09, 2002, syv wrote in JN [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL P

Re[3]: Export filters?

2002-10-09 Thread Joseph N.
On Wednesday, October 09, 2002, syv wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: s The purpose is to move some of the filters to the mail s server syv, Well, not sure what type of mail server you have, but the syntax for the filters is very probably different. If that's

Re: Export filters?

2002-10-09 Thread Adam
Hello syv, Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 2:14:59 PM, you wrote: s On Wednesday, October 09, 2002, Joseph N. wrote: s The purpose is to move some of the filters to the mail s server [mostly to filter spam] and to make sure I do not s miss some. Hard to imagine a mail server running the Bat. Try

Re[4]: Export filters?

2002-10-09 Thread syv
On Wednesday, October 09, 2002, Joseph N. wrote: -Original Message- JNOn Wednesday, October 09, 2002, syv wrote in JN [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: s The purpose is to move some of the filters to the mail s server JN syv, JN Well, not sure what type of mail se

Re[3]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello myob, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 at14:54:54[GMT +0100](which was 14:54 where I live) you wrote: MO Could it be your ISP automatically adding a BCC to you on every mail you MO send? Ask them! m IIRC, Richard, that's what CIX/Ameol does. Yes it does but I was still getting mail in my TB inbox

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Richard Wakeford
with filters I usually also set a colour in the same G filter together with the action I am trying to create. This makes it G easy to check wether a certain filter was triggered and used ;-) G / end smart tip alert Another good tip, thanks. -- Best regards, Richard Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service

Re[3]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-09 Thread Scott McNay
Hi, Richard! Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 1:28:02 AM, you wrote: RW Hello Thomas, RW Ah, all my questions being gradually answered apart from why messages RW originally went to the inbox without a CC and now don't but I will RW amend my rules so that outgoing messages go straight to the

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Thomas, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at11:43:36[GMT +0700](which was 05:43 where I live) you wrote: TF I filter mailing lists only at incoming time. Outgoing filters are TF important for normal mail, where your sent message doesn't come back TF to you. Oh, I thought *all* mail comes back to me

Re[4]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Scott, On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 at21:29:53[GMT -0500](which was 03:29 where I live) you wrote: RW Yes I have but it's all far too complicated and for me and leaves me RW half way down page one! SM What are you still having trouble with? I'm trying to figure out SM regular expressions

Re[5]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Scott McNay
Hi, Richard! Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 2:12:30 AM, you wrote: RW It's not that I'm having trouble with it because I don't think, in my RW situation, I shall ever need such complicated rules. I just wish that RW the more simple rules could be explained to remove any un clearness or RW

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Thomas F.
Hello Richard, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:07:05 +0100 GMT (08/10/02, 14:07 +0700 GMT), Richard Wakeford wrote: RW Oh, I thought *all* mail comes back to me, at least mine does (I RW think). Do you mean by normal mail that is not in the address RW book? No, I mean a mail that I sent just to a

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Thomas, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at22:40:47[GMT +0700](which was 16:40 where I live) you wrote: TF No, I mean a mail that I sent just to a recipient, not to a list. For TF example if I send a message directly to your address. It will not come TF back to me, unless I include my own address as

Re[3]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard- I got lost somewhere in the circular logic here, but... The messages you send out end up in your Sent Mail folder. Are you saying you want *another* copy sent to you? If so, then, yes, you need to CC or BCC yourself. If you're just wanting confirmation that the message you sent got to

Re[4]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Mark, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 at14:28:11[GMT -0700](which was 22:28 where I live) you wrote: MW I got lost somewhere in the circular logic here, but... You're lost!! :-) MW The messages you send out end up in your Sent Mail folder. That doesn't mean they reach their destination though. I've

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Richard, @8-Oct-2002, 22:54 Richard Wakeford [RW] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MW Are you saying you want *another* copy sent to you? RW Well some of my mail (most if it actually) comes to the inbox RW anyway so why

Re[5]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard- Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 2:54:08 PM, you wrote: MW Are you saying you want *another* copy sent to you? RW Well some of my mail (most if it actually) comes to the inbox anyway RW so why doesn't it all so that it can all automatically get threaded? If your outgoing mail ends up in

Re[5]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Scott McNay
Hi, Richard! Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 4:54:08 PM, you wrote: MW The messages you send out end up in your Sent Mail folder. RW That doesn't mean they reach their destination though. I've had 3 RW messages in the last 24 hours that have just disappeared even though RW they are shown as sent in

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Thomas F.
Hello Richard, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:44:11 +0100 GMT (09/10/02, 03:44 +0700 GMT), Richard Wakeford wrote: TF No, I mean a mail that I sent just to a recipient, not to a list. For TF example if I send a message directly to your address. It will not come TF back to me, unless I include my own

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Marck, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 at02:37:59[GMT +0100](which was 02:37 where I live) you wrote: MW Are you saying you want *another* copy sent to you? RW Well some of my mail (most if it actually) comes to the inbox RW anyway so why doesn't it all so that it can all automatically RW get

Re[6]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-08 Thread Richard Wakeford
? MW If your outgoing mail ends up in your inbox without your doing MW anything then it sounds like you have a misbehaving outbound filter. That's because, up until now, I didn't have any outbound filters because I thought all messages (sent or received) automatically go to the inbox. -- Best

Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Richard Wakeford
am still not sure exactly what the definition is for a KLUDGE and when rules should be applied (if at all) to the Outgoing, Read and Replied to folders. I gather that outgoing filters only apply after going to the SMTP server so does that mean they will be put in the correct folder when they return

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Gerard
ON Monday, October 7, 2002, 5:46:12 PM, you wrote: RW Well, RW I set up a filter for a mail group as described earlier and only half RW the group messages make it to the relevant folder, the rest stay RW obstinately in the inbox :-( RW I have the rule adressees are sender to group . Hi

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Thomas F.
the Outbox. Read: after you have first opened the message, and then gone to the next. Replied: after the Reply has been saved to the Outbox. RW I gather that outgoing filters only apply after going to the SMTP RW server so does that mean they will be put in the correct folder RW when they return as copies

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard- I think one of the main things that people trip over is that the strings in the Filtering strings box are treated as AND clauses rather than OR clauses. In other words, if you have more than one line in the Filtering strings box, then *both* of those cases have to be true in order for

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Mark, On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 at12:12:36[GMT -0700](which was 20:12 where I live) you wrote: MW I think one of the main things that people trip over is that the MW strings in the Filtering strings box are treated as AND clauses MW rather than OR clauses. In other words, if you have more than

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Gerard, On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 at19:14:54[GMT +0200](which was 18:14 where I live) you wrote: G - You need to determine a UNIQUE filtering characteristic that does not G change over time. G The simplest being the email address a person. I thought I had but I've been told one answer, the

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Richard Wakeford
you have understood the logic behind the filters, you will decide TF this by yourself. One more tip: The filters are applied from top to TF bottom. So if two filters apply for a message, the higher one is TF applied first. If that is a MOVE filter, and the other one colours the TF message, it won't

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Leif Gregory
Hello Richard, On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 at 16:46:12 [GMT +0100], you wrote: RW After reading all the FAQ and help files Just wanted to check. Have you read: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/filtering.shtml Cheers, Leif Gregory -- List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) PCWize Editor

Re[2]: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Leif, On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 at20:00:27[GMT -0600](which was 03:00 where I live) you wrote: LG Just wanted to check. Have you read: LG http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/filtering.shtml Yes I have but it's all far too complicated and for me and leaves me half way down page one! -- Best

Re: Filters are sooooo complicated

2002-10-07 Thread Thomas F.
anyway, and TF will be caught by the filter on the list. RW Ok so, unless there are are reasons for complicated rules, I can RW keep all my rules directed at the inbox? I filter mailing lists only at incoming time. Outgoing filters are important for normal mail, where your sent message doesn't come

Re[2]: Using filters with a mailgroup

2002-10-06 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Miguel, On Sat, 5 Oct 2002 at11:22:53[GMT +0200](which was 10:22 where I live) you wrote: MAU Go to the Advanced tab of the filter and scroll down, you will see the MAU option Address(es) must be listed in address book. Once you select MAU this, you also have the option to The address

Using filters with a mailgroup

2002-10-05 Thread Richard Wakeford
Well, I've looked but I probably can't see the wood for the trees. I'm slowly getting to grips with all the features of this programme but can't find a way to move messages from the Inbox to a specific folder which contains 60 names. I want to sort mail from all or any of those names to the

Re: Using filters with a mailgroup

2002-10-05 Thread Miguel A. Urech
Hello Richard, I want to sort mail from all or any of those names to the corresponding box and am sure I don't have to input each address separately but can't find the correct way of doing it. Go to the Advanced tab of the filter and scroll down, you will see the option Address(es) must be

Re[2]: Using filters with a mailgroup

2002-10-05 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Miguel, Saturday, October 5, 2002, 10:22:53 AM, you wrote: MAU Go to the Advanced tab of the filter and scroll down, you will see the MAU option Address(es) must be listed in address book. Once you select MAU this, you also have the option to The address entry must belong to MAU groups.

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