t> test: That doesn't always work. Try doing that in TB's Template editors.
Wow, I can't believe that they just didn't put the same window type
into all the edit windows, so the editor quirks you have to learn work
everywhere. Makes sense to me. ahh well, perhaps next
sider the time wasted coming up with this line, and just download
it.
Forget the rest, The Bat! is useful and doesn't have a dumb tagline.
Use the client that has the features of all of these others combined
into one package.
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PF> C'mon, TB needs marketing and catchy slogans are part of marketing. RIT
PF> could use a few one-liners to use in different contexts.
All the while no comments on mine. boo hoo. 8)
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not least:
It's not on *NIX but it's pretty cool anyway. ;)
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ndicates the start of the new line, no?
MDP> Personally, I'm sublimely happy with TB's editor, but Tom and Steve
MDP> make me feel very much in the minority.
I like it alright, and I'm very happy with the column marking options
that don't exist in any other editor. Howe
dds to that. In fact, I like
Agent's autoformatting, short of the fact that there is no way to turn
it off (useful when pasting in source code which often violates the
80-character limit).
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Even if you end up believing that it might add flexibility, you may
also end up with the feeling that the not-often-used flexibility isn't
worth the constant irritation of the editor doing something you don't
want it to do.
That one (or several) people like something
rting to
app-by-app support... Can't remember the name of the app, but they
have skins for it (among other software) at http://www.skinz.org.
Windowshade or something maybe?
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AM> the sort etc. etc.
Then comes the time when he wants to do something that the software
doesn't support, and is left without a solution entirely.
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LG> is to rename one of them.
Ooh, very clever. Ok, thanks for the idea! ;)
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bases. Thanks though.
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nd then merging them together a good way to go?
I'll have a bit of duplication unfortunately but shouldn't be too
terrible.
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in that way 'cause it was
a "cool trick." Perhaps a cool extension would be to not restore the
app window until the button is released? That would be nigh-on the
same functionality, just doing it on a different Windows message.
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TECTED] This
is the only reason that "visual filtering" on the To: address might
sometimes fail.
What a drag it is, getting old. ;)
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sisting of only
FW> two threads: Palm III and Creating A Mailing List.
Heh, that's plenty of traffic for me. ;)
Nice change from another list I'm on that does 50-100 messages a day.
Ugh.
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the only clients that I know of presently are LookOut and Netscrape.
I'd rather not install either of the behemoths on my computer if I can
help it...
Anyone have or know of any alternatives?
thanks,
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tray off topic, I end here.
love you all, ;)
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e my laptop which
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pport both
types of people easily?
TF> If not, they're not aliases but seperate accounts IMHO.
We've been over this, and they are seperate POP boxes. Call them what
you will, there probably won't be any agreement on
ot check "save
password" boxes...
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and get this:
JR> Apart
JR> from pasted material not wrapping (which is not unusual in other
JR> programs, admittedly)...
I can hit Alt-L in the paragraph and get this:
JR> Apart from pasted material not wrapping (which is not unusual in
JR> other programs, admittedly)...
or many common requests, but that task is left to the
programmers who may or may not know what they are doing.
S> BTW: The many FREE & shareware POP3 checkers and mail viewers and downloaders
S> available seem to manage to check multiple mailboxes and download into a
S> single folder with
Change "Item" to "Quotation"
Uncheck the "Bold" box that is above the example window.
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quote line only if the >
character is preceded by alpha characters only (aka no spaces). The
20 being arbitrary may as well be another option in editor
preferences, as well.
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emacs you don't need to hit all of the keys at the
same time... ;)
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if you send a message to the list
with the subject of "who". Of course, these are the same lists that
use the list address for subscribe/unsubscribe, a class to which I
don't believe TBUDL exists...
However, given the software, there may be a "back door" of sorts since
ow, this is of little interest to the general Bat community, so
I'll stop here. ;)
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erhaps both having Ctrl-Alt launch shortcuts),
and it'll lock my machines up hard at the same time. The developer of
Artifact is a friend of mine, I reported it to him, and he just said
"don't do that" so I don't; it sounds like
symlinks, all they need to do is link to the most
recent version if you select the_bat.exe, or you can note that there
are different versions if you see tb139.exe, tb141b4.exe, and
tb141.exe.
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for the strengths (and possible weaknesses) for your uses.
Regards,
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Ooo, sounds interesting. How are you authenticating with SSH? I've
tried APOP assuming it's similar in concept, but it doesn't seem to
work on my end.
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to copy the references field rather than
update it? Whatever it is, it's a pain that would be nice to deal
with on my end, since you can't talk to "these people." ;)
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"supported by advertisements." The "fix" is to not download or use
software that uses these DLLs in the first place, not to try to
circumvent the mechanism through which shareware authors are actually
getting paid.
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sort and display the top level by date anyway. Oh and even the
unregistered version (only $35 to register, though) has a thesaurus.
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AM> imported stuff to get it right.
AM> I hope you're not one of those with a thousand addresses. :(
With a decent text editor, a simple regexp search-and-replace works
wonders. ;)
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lines of:
"fname lname" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"fname2 lname2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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ders are loaded
DH> but only the allowed bodies are retrieved. Correct me if I'm wrong...
Umm, I would imagine that all headers would have to be downloaded for
them to be examined with the filters... Maybe I'm crazy, but as far
as I understand POP3, you don't really get tha
where you could put in your own
attribution to a block? Could even work like "Paste as Quote", but
prompting you for the prefix. That'd be so cool. :)
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tossed in the trash too. :(
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I'd leave the To: blank, 'cept for the fact that most mail servers
(probably complying with RFCs) bounce mail back that have no To:
address...
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I want to go to the next message... Sad thing is, I haven't touched
Agent in a month and I'm still stuck!
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still be useful (well, I guess I'm assuming that it can be
made to work ), and how much less irritating for EVERYONE that it
wasn't popping up in all of these times when it was absoulutely NOT
wanted?
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filters execute in the sorting office.
Also, how do Kill Filters interact with the other filters? I've had a
hell of a time finding any info at all on this stuff in the help
files.
thanks,
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NR> BTW I have asked a question on the list, no-one ever answered, what a waste of
damn time.
Perhaps nobody knew the answer? I've never used LDAP in my life...
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all posts by him read, and then you don't read them. Therefore, you
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MDP> A tragedy, IMHO. I have use Quick Search recently. I would actually
MDP> prefer to have had to type Ctrl-Q (or some such) to start it. You're
MDP> quite right with this.
heh, or maybe even just 'q'. ;p
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ep in mind that there need not be a "goto next in any folder"
command specifically, merely an option that enables cross-folder
navigation of "Next Unread".
Another Agent bonus? They "just" implemented Unlimited Undo/Redo in
the editor. Oh, that's handy, especiall
tandard
JDH> behavior of opening a folder at the last read article. Both can
JDH> exist at the same time.**
Join me in crossing fingers and praying. ;) Would the addition of
single-key navigation make the auto-jump-to-next-unread moot for you?
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SL> Maybe in your own little dillusional world, not reality, boy.
Well! Steve on a good day. Welcome to the list, Steve.
*plonk*
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Is there a way to make templates expand an address found in the
address book?
Say I have this entry in my book named "mom" which expands to
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Is there a way to make the template expand
%TO="mom"? (Specifically useful for mailing lists.)
tha
ries, say, have as their nicknames "billf",
"bill" and "bpaulsen".
Do nicknames not work like this? Do I really have to type in "bill $"
where $ is the first letter of the next word in their name?
Thanks.
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I'm on this mailing list that sets Resent-Reply-To to the list address
instead of setting Reply-To at all. Is this appropriate? If so, TB!
doesn't honor it. Should it? Certainly fits into the idea of not
munging the headers in the case that the Reply-To was already set...
thx,
-tom
ke is easy for anyone but that
one stroke repeated a thousand times over the course of a day gets a
bit tiresome.
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Has anyone else seen this, and if so, how to fix?
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erver. So sitting there now are
messages that are several weeks old, and I've downloaded probably 2000
messages in that time, but there are only around 100 there now.
thanks.
Also, is there a "known bugs" list anywhere on the 'net for TB!?
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t;filter" would go with it.
In other words, I may want to ignore "USE CTRL-F4 PEOPLE" for now, but
in the future, if it came up again, it would be nice to have the
choice at that time.
SO, I want to mark read based on a references chain, not on a subject,
not on a se
Sorry, don't know how the preceeding got sent. Musta been a twitchy
finger 'cause I was just browsing messages all morning, and didn't
want to reply to this thread.
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, you are
AM> still a member of a group. I don't see what's so difficult about that.
AM> The next thing is that no-one is *telling* you not to use the
AM> signature that *you* like. But there is one very logical issue here. I
AM> would assume that you include a signatu
(Again, this
is the way Agent works, sigh...)
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AM> without your control except for some killfilters. Two sides to the
AM> coin really. :)
Again a fan of the way Agent does it. I just mark the threads that I
don't care about as "ignore" and it does a kill filter for as long as
the thread is around...
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p> like a poem or other types of prose many thoughts
p> and ideas can be packed into a very small space
p> which was my intent
Aye, but wasn't the intent to get these ideas across to others, or
were they only for your p
gt; ùùv1.41
The above, to me in the USA, shows two boxes, the euro-currency
symbol, a dot, dash, 's' with an inverted circumflex (sorry, don't
know what language owns that one).
Next two lines are a string of capital 'u's with circumflexes over
them, followed by v2.00
e
majority of my time is snipping paragraphs and reformatting (love TB!s
reformat, for sure). Deleting text is one of the easiest things to
do.
I *appreciate* when the sig goes away, but it doesn't kill me when it
doesn't. Let me just say that. ;)
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More to the point, the space invalidates the URL, but TB, as most
MUAs, interprets [EMAIL PROTECTED] as an email address that can be clicked on, so
it highlights that, independent of the mailto: indicator.
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for me, and in the end it really
doesn't matter that much since a few more shift-arrow presses aren't a
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Heh, I live in the US, too, and have lived on both coasts, and never
heard about it either. Guess that's what I get when I skip the 3000
miles / 4800km in between the coasts. ;)
-20 is too cold for me too, that's one reason I left Vermont. Now I
still have snow on the ground, b
help. The net effect would be that you could get your
threading, but also download your mail faster. That is, as long as
the Reply-To: was set properly (in digests that I've received, the
burst messages always have contained the original Reply-To as opposed
to what I'd want, the Reply-To:
ong.
Apparently it does work properly if you have dash-dash-space in your
templates and never allow the cursor to actually touch the line with
those characters in it; it has to do with the way TB! strips blank
space at the end of lines (a noble purpose, I might add).
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>> Forgive me for the this test message.
AVK> List--Help:
AVK> Syafril! It works, except for list-help. Apparently thi should have been:
AVK> List-Help:
Also, if you're trying to make a mailto: URL you need to lose the
space. Some of the headers had 'em
to see: disabling the
"Close" button on the upper-left side of the window, or maybe just
making it minimize. I often hit it out of habit, when all I want to
do is drop it to the tray.
I get a couple hundred messages a day, so maybe we can hit the limit
after a week or so if there is on
x27;t come too soon! Turning off quicksearch
entirely is my most desired feature (well, ok, second next to toggling
virtual space)...
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th a
link to this info? This comes on every single message that's posted
to the list, and although it's nice to have the info handy when it's
needed, often when it's needed the obvious in-your-face solution
doesn't ge
"Regional Settings" in the control panels and
change the short date format (I recently did this due to the Y2K sort
bug with Agent and 00 vs. 99).
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AVK> here, on this list, only few of us have *ever* read RFCs (well, Steve, Marck,
AVK> myself, have I forgotten anybody?).
I've read and argued news-related RFCs, if that counts... ;)
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allow proportional width fonts? It's
merely an interesting programming question for me, though, as I can't
stand proportional-width fonts in general... ;)
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TF> abbreviation now a couple of times. Thks.
RAS = Remote Access Service(s), NT's version of Win9x's DUN, or
Dial-Up Networking.
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of us with
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(I'm in the US and only have a US keyboard, otherwise I could consider
volunteering m'self.)
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SL> You're the first on this list. *plonk*
Damn, I tried to do that then went into account administrator or
whatever and found all of his messages still sitting on my dumb
mailserver! Ack!
>> expect. These tantrums and personal insinuations have nothing to do
>&g
the caret, needed by mail protocol as we all now know):
From: Tom Plunket <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now I may or may not be the receiver of that address, but maybe TB!
sees the lack of a proper name and for some reason can't live without
it, so it inserts what
TF> I tried it again, and: the Dispatcher no longer deletes! I know it
TF> worked in an earlier version, but today it definitely did not.
TF> Furthermore, my killfilter didn't kill this message to
TF> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - it used to.
Works here on my installation, see headers f
customize
J> it.
How long did it take you all to get a working installation of TB!? It
took me a long time. That was a lot of work. Plus, I'm sharp and
actually know a thing or two about computers (thanks to Doug Hinds to
point that out), but TB! is already in the super-customizable
ters but he makes far too many
DH> assumptions and his opinions whether on or off target, are worth a lot
DH> less than he seems to think.
Can anyone here tell me how opinions can be deemed, by a third party,
to be off-target?
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a doc type is registered, but doesn't show up there? Fucking Windows.
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If you can't do that, well, might you ask the ISP from your "home"
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to do the same with TB!
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Tom>> If you were to come to get carpal tunnel syndrome (which has been
Tom>> extending its talons into me recently), you'll come to appreciate the
Tom>> difference between pressing ^] for next message vs. 'n' or .
t> whats wrong with arrow up and down?
" is a misspelling of that word (in its
original hacker definition), but can also be seen as an archaic form
of something that essentially means "hack". "Kludge" does not, and
never has, meant "header" on the intern
this program.
I have four words I could say to that, but I won't. What I will say
is that I will speak what I know and what I feel, and these are things
that WOULD increase The Bat!'s (narrow) market appeal, and I will not
ma
tly to my email box. You know how to find it. ;)
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oughts of adding NNTP support to The Bat!? Certainly that
seems like a slightly larger proposition than a few checkboxes in the
Editor Setup window... Honestly, if it goes in and sucks, The Bat! is
off of my computer. I already have a mail/news solution that I only
use half of; I don't need
SL> nothing.
The only reason I haven't turned that off yet is because Windows STILL
insists on putting Shift-Deleted things in the Recycle Bin first time,
every time. My deal is, when I really want to delete something:
Shift-Del. (Do you want to recycle? o. Shift-Del)+ Do
output.
MDP> OTOH, at least they're not cluttering bandwidth when you
MDP> accidently forget to go back to add what it was you were adding
MDP> when you remembered something else further back... etc.
Are they really gone? Does anybody know FOR SURE? If you hit 'space'
in colu
TP>> Well, you two aren't typical Windows users. As it goes, virtual
TP>> spacel has some people who like it and others who don't.
MDP> Tom - that's not reasonable.
Which of you is a typical Windows sheep then?
MDP> We're both *very different
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