Re: HTML Mail with links to Graphics
Hi Barry, B However, I've noticed that retrieving the graphics quite often slows to a B crawl, the connection manager regularly reports download speeds for the URL B 'links' as low as 15-30 cps, with TB! 'not responding' until the graphics or B whatever have been downloaded in full. B I suspected AntiSpamSniper for a while but switching that off didn't seem to B make any difference. AntispamSniper definitely slows the process down, at least for me. B Can any one suggest any way that I might improve the speed of this process. Not really, except don't use AntispamSniper, which I am considering. -- Neal Using TheBat! v4.0.24.25 on Windows XP Service Pack 3 AntispamSniper 2.8.1.1 OTFE enabled Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail with links to Graphics
Hi Barry, B However, I've noticed that retrieving the graphics quite often slows to a B crawl, the connection manager regularly reports download speeds for the URL B 'links' as low as 15-30 cps, with TB! 'not responding' until the graphics or B whatever have been downloaded in full. B I suspected AntiSpamSniper for a while but switching that off didn't seem to B make any difference. AntispamSniper definitely slows the process down, at least for me. B Can any one suggest any way that I might improve the speed of this process. Not really, except don't use AntispamSniper, which I am considering. Hmmm I LIKE antispamsniper. I used antispam servant until it turned into adware even when you paid for it -- Rick Dare we hope? Vote for hope in 08 v4.0.24.25 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail with links to Graphics
On 03/07/2008 18:41:11, Rick wrote: Hi Barry, B However, I've noticed that retrieving the graphics quite often slows to a B crawl, the connection manager regularly reports download speeds for the URL B 'links' as low as 15-30 cps, with TB! 'not responding' until the graphics or B whatever have been downloaded in full. B I suspected AntiSpamSniper for a while but switching that off didn't seem to B make any difference. AntispamSniper definitely slows the process down, at least for me. B Can any one suggest any way that I might improve the speed of this process. Not really, except don't use AntispamSniper, which I am considering. Hmmm I LIKE antispamsniper. I used antispam servant until it turned into adware even when you paid for it Well, I've disabled/removed ASS and it hasn't made any improvement at all, downloading links in HTML mail slows to a crawl, almost to the point of freezing TB!, clicking on any part of TB's window causes the mouse pointer to change to an hourglass and most times not responding pops up in the Title Bar. After a while the links complete loading and then everything gets back to normal. So, for now, I'm not convinced that ASS has anything to do with it. -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 4.0.24 and AntispamSniper 2.8.1.1 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail with links to Graphics
Hello Barry, On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:38:43 +0100 GMT (04/07/2008, 01:38 +0700 GMT), Barry wrote: B Well, I've disabled/removed ASS and it hasn't made any improvement at all, B downloading links in HTML mail slows to a crawl, almost to the point of B freezing TB!, clicking on any part of TB's window causes the mouse pointer to B change to an hourglass and most times not responding pops up in the Title B Bar. After a while the links complete loading and then everything gets back B to normal. B So, for now, I'm not convinced that ASS has anything to do with it. The behaviour that TB! freezes while the pictures are downloaded has been confirmed on the beta list. You will notice this only when the downloading takes a long time, for example slow connection or many/large pictures. With the current beta, I cannot confirm it any more, so it looks fixed. Please wait for the next release. -- Cheers, Thomas. The save icon on Microsoft Word shows a floppy disk, with the shutter on backwards. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.24.23 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail forward reply
Hello jwayne, On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:29:54 -0400 GMT (11/06/2004, 02:29 +0700 GMT), jwayne wrote: j If I forward HTML mail or reply to it, how do I get the j original message body to stay in HTML format? As is, it gets j converted to plain text. You don't say which TB version you are using. In the latest version, the HTML format will be kept when you forward. It was an oversight in older TB versions. For replying, have you tried to reply using the HTML editor? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. SYMPTOM: Beer tasteless, front of your shirt is wet. FAULT: Mouth not open, or glass applied to wrong part of face. ACTION: Retire to restroom, practice in mirror. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hello Antje On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, you wrote Is there any chance that one has the possibility to select certain originating addresses one can trust so that TB! shows these images right away in the HTML viewer? If not, that would be a feature I'd wish for... what do you think? Antje I think the whole thing is pretty half-way. I actually went to OE and set it up yesterday to take a look again at what it does with HTML. It certainly is superior to half-doing something. I feel sad that something I left in 2001 appears to again hold some fatal attraction (especially after just paying for the upgrade). Elaine When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it. --Bernard Bailey Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail selective image display?
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, Antje Lehmann wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: AL Is there any chance that one has the possibility to select AL certain originating addresses one can trust so that TB! shows AL these images right away in the HTML viewer? Antje, I think your idea is a good one. If you wanted to use a different mail client, you could do something like that now, If you found an e-mail client that was separate from a browser and that had its own internal HTML viewer, you might be able to configure a software firewall to block all Internet activity except what is necessary to send and retrieve e-mail plus also connect with your desired web sites. -- JN Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hallo Antje, On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:39:39 +0200GMT (17-9-03, 12:39 +0200, where I live), you wrote: AL Is there any chance that one has the possibility to select certain AL originating addresses one can trust so that TB! shows these images AL right away in the HTML viewer? First of all, I didn't test this. ;-) Create an incoming filter for your Daily Dilbert Mail that extracts the attached file to disk and let the same filter start an external program, in this case your browser with a parameter that makes it open your attachment. Since 'extract attachment' is lower on the actions tab than 'run external program' there's a possibility that the browser will be called before the file exists. Therefore it might be necessary to do this in two filters (enable 'continue processing with other filters on the 'options tab' of the first filter) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hallo Joseph, On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:40:59 -0500GMT (17-9-03, 17:40 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JN I didn't test your idea either, but it seems like a brilliant JN approach. I think that's a bit too much, but thanks anyhow. ;-) JN If it were packaged in a way to be easily triggered by the user, I thought filters are rather easy to trigger. After all TB's main feature is it's filtering system. (At least that's why I started to use it.) JN and also requiring some user confirmation to avoid automated JN problems, it would be a good feature addition to TB! As another feature it would be bloatware. As far as the user confirmation, that was the part that Antje wanted to skip (or that's how I read the message). After all we're talking about something that can be done already with three mouse clicks (double on the attachment, single on the question whether you'd like to save). Be honest how much more accessible do you want the feature to be? It can be put down to a double click (when you exclude HTML from the dangerous file types) BTW Please don't suggest that TB should be able to access pics anywhere on the internet. Not even as a configurable option. Something like that is no function of an e-mail client. Any code inserted to make such a feature available makes the program more sluggish (because it's bigger), more buggy (there's no such thing as code without errors) and more vulnerable. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hello Joseph, If it were packaged in a way to be easily triggered by the user, and also requiring some user confirmation to avoid automated problems, it would be a good feature addition to TB! I may have not understood what this whole thread is about but, what is wrong with double clicking on the HTML icon (HTML attachment) to open the message in your default browser? I mean, why set up a number of filters, etc., and then select perhaps a shortcut or hot key to trigger it and finally ending up in opening the HTM message in the browser? As I say, maybe I didn't understand a word of what this thread is all about. But if I did... My goodness! All is needed is a double click! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hello Roelof, On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:21:33 +0200 GMT (17/09/2003, 23:21 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: JN and also requiring some user confirmation to avoid automated JN problems, it would be a good feature addition to TB! As another feature it would be bloatware. As far as the user confirmation, that was the part that Antje wanted to skip (or that's how I read the message). I think it would be a good idea to enable downloading pictures from trusted sites. I am a frequent flying on several airlines, and they send interesting offers by way of newsletters. That's once a month, so I don't complain. Daily Gilberts is another matter, though. ;-) BTW Please don't suggest that TB should be able to access pics anywhere on the internet. Not even as a configurable option. I do. Based on a list of trusted sites. There you go. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hello Roelof, BTW Please don't suggest that TB should be able to access pics anywhere on the internet. Not even as a configurable option. Something like that is no function of an e-mail client. Fully agree. Many people around the world still use dial-up connections, the connect, download e-mail and disconnect and read it off-line. It is stupid if to read/view a particular message you have to connect again. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.00.6 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hello Antje, Wednesday, September 17, 2003, 11:57:24 AM, you wrote: AL I understand now that there are different opinions on this issue, AL and that's what I wanted to know when I asked what you thought AL about it. moderator This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Christian. Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text, and/or the PGP signature. We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to view the entire thread contents. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hallo Leif, On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:16:53 -0600GMT (17-9-03, 21:16 +0200, where I live), you wrote: LG Hello Antje, LG this reply. Please don't feel singled out Christian. Who's Christian and why should he feel singled out? ;-) You're using TB and that's a great program to 'personalise' messages with macros. If you'd replace Christian in your QT with %ToFName you'd save yourself from singling out the wrong people. g,dr -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML Mail selective image display?
Hello Roelof, Wednesday, September 17, 2003, 1:59:31 PM, you wrote: RO Who's Christian and why should he feel singled out? ;-) g I was dinking with the template earlier yesterday and I had cut and pasted from one I'd moderated. Forgot to fix it. Thanks for catching it. :-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
Hello Mean, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:11:56 +0530 GMT (03/12/02, 12:41 +0700 GMT), Mean Drake wrote: Are your software reviews on the internet, so we can read a bit? Thanks to all of those who replied. Indeed amny of the reviews are online. I am webmaster and Editor for the Colony Computer User Group. http://ccug.apcug.org the newsletter section has all my reviews. I am very glad you didn't write this one here: http://ccug.apcug.org/newsApr02.htm ;-) Planning to write one on the Bat! I am a recent user still getting my feet wet...that's why the elementary question. Please continue to ask. I encourage you to write one on The Bat!, and we are more than willing to address the issue why pink 24 pt font on green background might look good to the sender but is not really appreciated by many recipients. Not even the embedded animations. And why I don't want to receive a wave file playing Jingle Bells in every email (I receive 100-200 per day) from now until Christmas Day. Or any other wave file, until Judgement Day. Even if I weren't on pay-per-minute dial-up. But my main reason for using TB is what it does do. My entry point was that multiple accounts are strictly kept seperately. The second most important thing for me is the unmatched filtering ability (and yes, mail can be filtered across accounts, automatically or manually). The fact that the deveoplers actually listen to us and improve according to our suggestions. Or this list, which in itself is a strong advantage for any novice to this program. Templates in which you can use anything from simple macros to a highly complicated scripting language. Thus, TB is easy to use for the beginner, who wants to use only simple functions, but it also has a myriad of features that email-geeks like (you find several people on this list that have Emailaholics International mentioned as Organisation in their mail header). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Marck, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:06:27 + your time, you said: MDP ... This version of TB is text-centric and many of us appreciate it MDP that way. Indeed, and I personally have no wish to send or receive LookOut style messages via The Bat!; If I wanted all the superfluous decorative paraphernalia that goes with OL and OLE type clients I'd have stuck with M$'s pitiful offerings. - - and I'll be first in the queue with my trusty rectification stick ready to wrap the knuckles of the first person this year to send we a ruddy *funny* Xmas carol wav and a dancing Santa animation via LookOut or LookOut Express email! grr MDP Version 2, currently under development is scheduled to include HTML MDP composition. Many die-hard users are still disgusted with this and are MDP threatening jumping ship should it indeed be the case. The Thomas Murner expression springs to my mind here: Das kindt mit dem bad vß schitten, or in my tongue, To throw the baby out with the bath water. If all of the great features present in this version of TB! are carried over to the elusive v2, and other often requested features are to be added to v2 as well, it would be completely foolish IMO to even begin to consider dumping TB! simply because of the inclusion of an option that you don't wish to make use of yourself. Let's face it, people send HTML mail, and we still receive it, and using TB! doesn't prevent that from occurring. Although I have absolutely no wish to use an HTML feature should it be introduced, the addition of such a feature as an option would probably bring more potential users haring towards TB! for a trial. That can only be a good thing, surely? And I am sure that any _remaining_ 'die hard' core users would soon be able to whop the *text-based email illiterati* into shape - well from my experiences of this list I am in no doubt of that ;-) - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #3065. Way Qed Is Slum Orr ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPey488tub/5cfolmEQJOzACgnqM7dB26a78TDBDcjbfTcmS3ELYAnR7L GwsrUv0z7SYlmchmyGZTrich =7v6l -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
On Tuesday 03 December 2002 08:59 am, Simon wrote: Although I have absolutely no wish to use an HTML feature should it be introduced, the addition of such a feature as an option would probably bring more potential users haring towards TB! for a trial. That can only be a good thing, surely? And I am sure that any _remaining_ 'die hard' core users would soon be able to whop the *text-based email illiterati* into shape - well from my experiences of this list I am in no doubt of that ;-) The only time I find html mail useful is on certain newsletters I receive. As far as email from friends, I despise the bloated crap produced by clients like Outlook or that despicable Incredimail. :-) But at the same time, TB should offer better html support. And it could do so without relying on Internet Explorer DLLs. Let's take a look at one of TB's competitors, Pocomail. It has its own rendering engine that isn't dependent on IE or Netscape/Mozilla. It also offers the ability to toggle on/off the downloading of images referenced by the html mail, so the web bug trick used by spammers won't work. This is the route TB needs to take. Like it or not html mail is here to stay and Ritlabs ignoring it won't gain them any new customers. For the purist, there could be an option to disable html mail entirely, much like KMail for the KDE desktop in Linux does. -- Regards, Don Zeigler www.donzeigler.com Unofficial support forum for the Bat! the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com I'm a Linux user in a Windoze world This mail powered by KMail and Mandrake Linux Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Don, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:27:42 -0500 your time, you said: DZ The only time I find html mail useful is on certain newsletters I DZ receive. I can't even abide html newsletters Don! Sign up for a text based email, and recieve an html one instead :-/ An I just loathe the newsletters loaded with 101 ruddy images, all trying to resolve at the same time, and when they don't you get a load of crumby placeholders and an almost indecipherable page of misplaced markup rubbish. Send me a flipping link I say; I don't need or want html newsletters. DZ But at the same time, TB should offer better html support. Yes, I agree there. DZ It also offers the ability to toggle on/off the downloading of images DZ referenced by the html mail, so the web bug trick used by spammers DZ won't work. I'd like to see such a feature in TB!. Better still, auto-bounce any html messages so the sender gets the hint g DZ Like it or not html mail is here to stay and Ritlabs ignoring it won't DZ gain them any new customers. Well yes, and that's the case really isn't it, and others being parochial and stubborn about it is just shortsighted in my not so humble opinion. I think the possible revolt of a dedicated section of its existing user base over this issue must be a little worrying for RITLABS. Nonetheless, I personally wouldn't consider such a revolt to be good enough reason to not move forward. You are always going to lose a few on the way, that's just the way things are! - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #1990. Warm Qed Irs Lousy ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPezHy8tub/5cfolmEQKN+ACgk57ysGKXhokcH5ON21uthUZ/GTYAnRkS S+vAu+g4+tY1naYkDB0RXhBa =dDoX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
Hello Mean Drake, On or about Monday, December 02, 2002 at 02:46:32GMT +0530 (which was 4:16 PM in the tropics where I live) Mean Drake scribbled; MD Does the Bat! have any features to compose HTML mail like one would do MD in Outlooklike have inline pictures or background MD images...background sounds I know might be too much to ask :-) NO! Thank God! E-mail was NEVER intended to be pretty, just brief and to the point.. If TB! ever adds it, especially without the option to DUMP it, I will be an instant EX-Batter! -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Get a PERMANENT 100MB capacity mailbox for ONLY $29.95/year. No more lost mail due to mailbox capacity restrictions. Access by POP3 or Webmail! Earn a FREE mailbox with their referral program. Apply NOW at http://1110.runbox.com -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
Hello Spike, On Tuesday, 3. December 2002 at 14:11:00 [GMT -0500] you wrote: MD Does the Bat! have any features to compose HTML mail like one would do MD in Outlooklike have inline pictures or background MD images...background sounds I know might be too much to ask :-) NO! Thank God! E-mail was NEVER intended to be pretty, just brief and to the point.. If TB! ever adds it, especially without the option to DUMP it, I will be an instant EX-Batter! So i will do!!! God save us that this never will happen. -- Ciao Thomas Mailer: The Bat!1.62 Beta/17 | Windows XP PGP: 6.58 ckt Build 8 - Key 0xBB9237A9 ICQ: 121117424 (hardly ever online) HP: http://www.thebat.int.tc/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
On Tuesday, December 03, 2002 Kevin stated: K I'd like to know what other mailer those who say they would dump TB! K if it became capable of creating HTML mail would go to since many K other mailers already have this function. Easy .. keep the last non-html creating version of TB! -- never upgrade. IMO it isnt so much the reading writing of HTML but all the BLOAT that it puts into a once tight, well working, single function email client. If a lot of these new options were plugins then those of us who want a small client program without all the bloat can be happy as well. Cheers Yall \\' -- Running TB! version 1.62 Beta/17 under Windows 2000 5.0 on a 500mhz P-III with 512mb Ram Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
Tuesday, 12/3/2002, 2:44 PM Hi Simon, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, at 13:59:47 [GMT +] (which was 5:59 AM where I live) you wrote about: 'HTML mail' S Although I have absolutely no wish to use an HTML feature should it be S introduced, the addition of such a feature as an option would probably bring S more potential users haring towards TB! for a trial. That can only be a good S thing, surely? And I am sure that any _remaining_ 'die hard' core users S would soon be able to whop the *text-based email illiterati* into shape - S well from my experiences of this list I am in no doubt of that ;-) We don't come out from behind the trees very often. ;) Just to defend our text mailer. -- Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul I miss my ex-wifebut my aim is improving. Powered by The Bat! v1.62 Beta/17 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: HTML mail
Hi TBUDL, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, at 02:46:32 [GMT +0530] you wrote: MD Does the Bat! have any features to compose HTML mail like one would do MD in Outlooklike have inline pictures or background MD images...background sounds I know might be too much to ask :-) Ooooh here we go again hold on to your hats ! -- Pure E-mail with The Bat! v1.62/Beta16 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Unfortunately I'm writing this without the aid of music Thought for the day I wish I could Swim, Like Dolphins, Like Dolphins can Swim - David Bowie Heroes 1977 __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
Good evening Mean, It was foretold that on 2-12-2002 @ 02:46:32 GMT+0530 (which was 22:16:32 where I live) Mean Drake would mumble: snipped a bit MD Does the Bat! have any features to compose HTML mail No. -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. We learn best when we are having fun --- Have fun. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
Hello Mean, On Tuesday, 3. December 2002 at 02:46:32 [GMT +0530] you wrote: Does the Bat! have any features to compose HTML mail like one would do in Outlooklike have inline pictures or background images...background sounds I know might be too much to ask :-) here we go again By the way, please put a signature cutter ( i don't know the word in English) into your mails. (-- ) -- Ciao Thomas Mailer: The Bat!1.62 Beta/17 | Windows XP PGP: 6.58 ckt Build 8 - Key 0xBB9237A9 ICQ: 121117424 (hardly ever online) HP: http://www.thebat.int.tc/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
Hi TBUDL, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, at 04:04:47 [GMT +0530] you wrote: MD Tuesday, December 3, 2002, 3:54:30 AM, you wrote: Hi TBUDL, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, at 02:46:32 [GMT +0530] you wrote: MD Does the Bat! have any features to compose HTML mail like one would do MD in Outlooklike have inline pictures or background MD images...background sounds I know might be too much to ask :-) Ooooh here we go again hold on to your hats ! MD Hey I review a lot of software and cannot be a Pro at it all. Need to MD kow things I can put in my review. Did I step in something mucky here? BAT users (myself included) get very passionate about the evils of HTML check the archive (address in footers) and you'll see what I mean. The Bat is deliberately Plain text and long may it continue to be so. -- Pure E-mail with The Bat! v1.62/Beta16 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Unfortunately I'm writing this without the aid of music Thought for the day Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what's for lunch. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday, December 02, 2002 6:07:23 PM RE: HTML mail Greetings Mean, On Monday, December 2, 2002, 4:16:32 PM, you wrote: MD Does the Bat! have any features to compose HTML mail like one would do MD in Outlooklike have inline pictures or background MD images...background sounds I know might be too much to ask :-) I sincerely hope not or I'll dump The_Bat! faster than the the Titanic went down! If I wanted such eye candy and major security issues I'd still be using OE, Outlook or Incredimail. - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. Best file compression around: DEL *.* = 100% compression -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPevobmGmTEg4iItaEQI5jgCggNQRweNIeA8TGMUdS/7B8ZXBPbQAn3iR YQgudXd9C1IOHXfGauSUJbOP =5qi3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: HTML mail
Ciao Mean, in data lunedì 2 dicembre 2002, alle 22:16, hai scritto: MD Does the Bat! have any features to compose HTML mail like one would do MD in Outlooklike have inline pictures or background MD images...background sounds I know might be too much to ask :-) thanks to God, no. html mails are: 1) very much espensive in space: text_only_mail_size * [5..10]= html_mail_without_images; 2) useless ( *highlight* something is very simple in text only); 3) annoying (try to read that nice message written in pink, when your default background is yellow); 4) philosophically wrong : e-mail was thought to transmit text, ideas, not layouts, psichedelic advertising, and is not optimized for this; Afterwards, the major software producers wanted to give the funny capability to use colors, nice backgrounds, sound for mails, and others in-useful features, to attract users that aren't focoused on efficiency of the communication and *respect* of the addressee anyway, seems that TB2 will have HTML writing support. market rulers... :-( -- Ciao! Gian Matteo icq:3946333 The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mean, @3-Dec-2002, 04:04 +0530 (22:34 UK time) Mean Drake [MD] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ooooh here we go again hold on to your hats ! :-) MD Hey I review a lot of software and cannot be a Pro at it all. MD Need to kow things I can put in my review. Did I step in MD something mucky here? http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml It is possible to send HTML mail with the current version of TB and the method is explained in the FAQ. This version of TB is text-centric and many of us appreciate it that way. Version 2, currently under development is scheduled to include HTML composition. Many die-hard users are still disgusted with this and are threatening jumping ship should it indeed be the case. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE96/WFOeQkq5KdzaARAgyXAKDJ4AXI++pTk+TcLR97P6G1bP6YBQCgmase 2PUr4AynWEyVLPBkmySV55o= =oNtA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
Hello Mean, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:04:47 +0530 GMT (03/12/02, 05:34 +0700 GMT), Mean Drake wrote: MD Does the Bat! have any features to compose HTML mail like one would do MD in Outlooklike have inline pictures or background MD images...background sounds I know might be too much to ask :-) Ooooh here we go again hold on to your hats ! Hey I review a lot of software and cannot be a Pro at it all. Need to kow things I can put in my review. Did I step in something mucky here? You did. ;-) As you have noticed, people on this list (myself included) consider HTML mail an oximoron. Mail is mail, and HTML (hypertext mark-up language) is for hypertext documents, such as web pages. HTML has no place in email. If you want people here go really up the walls, say something positive about IncrediMail eg. Please ask more about the resons why if you want, but I would suggest to do that on TBOT rather than here. Maybe you also want to check out the archives, as this was discussed before in lengthy threads. Are your software reviews on the internet, so we can read a bit? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Beta/17 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, December 02, 2002 Marck D Pearlstone stated: MDP Version 2, currently under development is scheduled to include HTML MDP composition. Many die-hard users are still disgusted with this and MDP are threatening jumping ship should it indeed be the case. Myself included ... If it HAS to support html drafting, it should be as a plug-in so we die-hards wont have break out our hex editors and manually remove it. Cheers Yall \\' Running TB! version 1.62 Beta/17 under Windows 2000 5.0 on a 500mhz P-III wtih 512mb Ram -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ iQA/AwUBPewHH5baVbYeHoVgEQJ/GQCg7da93b+vVvjX3Uz26Zd35TnFz24AoNlR 1pLutZVcMwgtA3mlTSple52T =ujke -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
Hello Mean, On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 at 11:11:56[GMT +0530](which was 05:41 where I live) you wrote: MD http://ccug.apcug.org the newsletter section has all my reviews. MD Planning to write one on the Bat! I am a recent user still getting my MD feet wet...that's why the elementary question. Do you send out free magnifying glasses to be able to read your home page font ;-) Just as well the other pages have bigger settings. Sorry MODS, a bit off topic. -- Best regards, Richard Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, January 11, 2002, at 11:24:05 PM PST, Luc wrote: Standard it's the HTML tab that's active. (atleast with me it is). Is there a way to have the plain text tab active so that i don't have to switch that on ? Options/Preferences... Then *uncheck* Display HTML part of messages automatically. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Keys_8Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) - GPGshell v2.10 iD8DBQE8P+a4jVbXUvsE8ukRAuqBAKCPlBaAmcO2Sl8m6N00d6eW9hFCQwCfTP/v G9rNAhxHJdjmnc49WUWGqQE= =HaOe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 12 January 2002 at 8:24 p.m. Luc wrote: L Hi list, L When you receive HTML-mail (and i don't want to yap about the pro L and cons here), in your preview window there are two tabs: one for L the message in plain text format and one that shows the message in L HTML. Standard it's the HTML tab that's active. (atleast with me it L is). Is there a way to have the plain text tab active so that i L don't have to switch that on ? Hi Luc, Go to Options - Preferences and there you will find a box that says display HTML messages automatically. Uncheck this and the HTML tab should then be at the back if you want it and the plain text message will appear by default. Someone please correct me if I am wrong! Carren For PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build/06) Comment: As long as one keeps searching, the answers come iQA/AwUBPD8+CMqIEIT739NzEQKFRQCgvS5NPR4U20mgWNUgy+0yiSkIs94AoNXf 29FGIaRBkjzMdPCI8WSnixgF =f8qB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Sean! On 2 Dec 2001 at 05:38:06 you wrote: To my the problem isn't HTML, per-se...it's the fact that the features of HTML can be misused by more unsavory types The biggest problems for me are: 1. People send HTML but *don't* use the HTML features, making messages unnecessarily big. Those are the messages that look exactly the same in HTML and PT. 2. People find out about the features of HTML and use them unnecessarily. Those are the messages that could/should have been sent in PT but look like the most stupidly designed web sites from which you can get - quite literally - a seizure. It is actually some spammers and the commercial newsletters (like PCWelt's) that make really good use of HTML. To them even GET makes sense, even if their NL are completely void of contents when I see them with TB!. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/14 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Es ist viel einfacher, Kritik zu üben, als etwas anzuerkennen. (Benjamin Disraeli) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBPAnjuPTo1oA8g8dLEQJWgQCfWg02Ei32cHxJLQPh7HZvCJb5L7IAnjJ1 Q1gpSxSd+3XH4ynnqPNRDolo =WHqa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Saturday, December 01, 2001, 10:51:35 PM, Thomas F wrote: Hello N., On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:38:06 -0700 GMT (02/12/2001, 12:38 +0800 GMT), N. Sean Timm wrote: NST To my the problem isn't HTML, per-se... To me it is. HTML blows the message up 2 or 3 times. My favorite is when someone sends HTML mail, I click on the message.htm tab on the bottom of the viewer pane, and their message is just regular black text, Times New Roman, on a white background. Especially when I know darn well that they *never* add any additional formatting to their mail, not even boldface or italics. For the record, I see little reason for HTML use in email. RTF'd or HTML documents can be sent attached separately if necessary. Windows comes with Internet Explorer, and WordPad to view such attachments. Obviously, there are viewers for other platforms as well. Necessity is my issue with this HTML integration we're talking about with TB! It just seems like unnecessary code for TB! program. But that's just me. Zach -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hello Dierk, Sunday, December 02, 2001, 4:17:59 AM, you wrote: Dierk The biggest problems for me are: Dierk 1. People send HTML but *don't* use the HTML features, making Dierk messages unnecessarily big. Those are the messages that look Dierk exactly the same in HTML and PT. Yes and in that, I really like the way TB handles such messages. Even for the ones containing useless stationery. I'm not really bashing stationery but referring to those who have it set for every message by default. I don't fault the software for having the feature, however. But fixing this is akin to convincing my great Aunt to quit sending chain letters. But seriously, I like the way TB handles most HTML messages, giving you the power to delete the HTML portion while still saving the text for later review. Dierk 2. People find out about the features of HTML and use them Dierk unnecessarily. Those are the messages that could/should have been Dierk sent in PT but look like the most stupidly designed web sites from Dierk which you can get - quite literally - a seizure. Yes again. And this is somewhat understandable on the Web at least. People still learning are eager to try anything flashy. Yet I don't think such features should be removed from e-mail clients. There are valid uses for almost everything...almost. Dierk It is actually some spammers and the commercial newsletters (like Dierk PCWelt's) that make really good use of HTML. To them even GET makes Dierk sense, even if their NL are completely void of contents when I see Dierk them with TB!. Good last point. Some organizations seem to find it easier to compose a message as one large set of sliced graphics and / or objects. yet, as you say, the message body contains nothing in the way of content. This is something many of us wouldn't ever know had we never come across TB. The main thing I like about HTML messages are link formatting and structure. For instance, sending a rather lengthy link which contains strings like htm?view=01189432 at the end are troublesome for many e-mail clients. Of course, HTML formatted links don't share this problem. And even the best of tricks are not fool proof. The only decent solution is to set up a redirect link with a shorter URL for every link contained in a message. ECom newsletters considered, this can be a laborious task to say the least. In this way, I have had to make decisions to leave some content out of text-only versions while HTML versions are complete and as intended. Secondly, structure is important at least internally. I'm sure most of us have by now received a transaction receipt in text that is horribly wrapped. Some solid companies do their best to adjust for standard column lengths. But they never seem to work perfectly. While I wouldn't recommend sending customer invoices in HTML alone, I'd consider using the dual method. And I certainly share internal documents of this type with table structures via HTML. This is almost necessary due to some office members using 640 x 480 on 14 monitors. But these can't be confidential documents as encrypting HTML documents is a mystery to me. Dierk - -- Dierk Dierk Haasis Dierk http://www.Write4U.de Dierk PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys Dierk The Bat 1.54 Beta/14 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Dierk Es ist viel einfacher, Kritik zu üben, als etwas anzuerkennen. Dierk (Benjamin Disraeli) Dierk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Dierk Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Dierk Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! Dierk iQA/AwUBPAnjuPTo1oA8g8dLEQJWgQCfWg02Ei32cHxJLQPh7HZvCJb5L7IAnjJ1 Dierk Q1gpSxSd+3XH4ynnqPNRDolo Dierk =WHqa Dierk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.54 Beta/9 Windows Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hello, I also have a question about HTML : I know that I can't create a HTML message, but what do I have to do when I want to reply to a HTML message, or when I want to forward it? Then the HTML structure is lost, and all that is left is plain text, so the receiver will not see the original contents of the mail. Is there any other way to make sure the receivers sees the original message? Greetings, Cyclon -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Saturday, December 01, 2001, 9:38:06 PM, I wrote: NST Hello James, NST Saturday, December 01, 2001, 8:54:39 PM, you wrote: JS On viruses and external images...from the business end JS it would be ridiculous to expect customers to put up with JS embedded images. Keeping them external at least gives the JS customer a chance to delete the message before all the JS downloading begins. Please don't think of HTML e-mail as an JS evil business tool used by spammers alone. In my case I'd much JS rather send text since I can send them ten times faster. But JS our subscriber base prefers HTML. They sign up for it, it is JS not chosen for them. The problem with viruses is well JS documented but it is certainly not the norm. And one shouldn't JS shy away from HTML because of them just as you wouldn't abstain JS from using the 'Net for fear of infection. NST To my the problem isn't HTML, per-se...it's the fact that the features NST of HTML can be misused by more unsavory types (such as spammers, who, NST by merely including an external image, can determine whether or not your NST email address is valid.) However, there are also perfectly valid NST reasons to want/need HTML. However, in these cases, the receipient NST usually expects HTML from a certain source. I think it'd be great if NST The Bat! allowed you to set up a list of people (or a filter?) that NST were allowed to send you HTML, and it would display the images NST automatically for mail from those addresses. Oh...and let's not forget those who, rather than being able to rationally argue their point of view, have to attempt to send someone a virus to try and prove their point (You know who you are, and I don't appreciate it in this kind of forum.) I stand by my statement that there can and are valid uses of HTML email that are not malicious, and anything that can be done to enable these, while protecting against the misuse of it (such as only allowing it from those you specify) is a Good Thing. - Sean T. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Sean, I got the same. But I think that was an auto generated send from the trojan. Possibly not. But that would be my first guess seeing how it was the BadTrans worm that was attached. Apparently it scans inboxes for new prospects. I think people in this list are far above that sort of behavior. Sunday, December 02, 2001, 1:40:27 PM, you wrote: N. Oh...and let's not forget those who, rather than being able to N. rationally argue their point of view, have to attempt to send someone N. a virus to try and prove their point (You know who you are, and I N. don't appreciate it in this kind of forum.) I stand by my statement N. that there can and are valid uses of HTML email that are not malicious, and N. anything that can be done to enable these, while protecting against N. the misuse of it (such as only allowing it from those you specify) is N. a Good Thing. N. - Sean T. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.54 Beta/9 Windows Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hi Cyclon, Sunday, December 02, 2001, 1:35:06 PM, you wrote: Kris Hello, I also have a question about HTML : I know that I can't create Kris a HTML message, but what do I have to do when I want to reply to a Kris HTML message, or when I want to forward it? Then the HTML structure Kris is lost, and all that is left is plain text, so the receiver will not Kris see the original contents of the mail. Is there any other way to make Kris sure the receivers sees the original message? Depending on how well the original e-mail was formatted, you may find these work arounds useful. 1) Open the message and hit Ctrl-A or select all text, then choose Specials and reply quoting selected text. If the structure was formatted well, it might appear pretty much intact. 2) Alternatively, you could either forward the message or redirect it. Of course, you'd have to edit the to and from lines. But the HTML portion should be included as an attachment this way. Thereby, you could say something like, see attachment for original message. 3) There are other ways that would appear more 'normal' but they'd be too time consuming for just one message unless it was terribly important. Personally, I'd redirect the message to one of the e-mail accounts I use on Becky or Outlook and deal with it from there. But the same could be done with a hotmail account too. But there may be far better suggestions from others more knowledgeable than I. Kris Greetings, Kris Cyclon -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.54 Beta/9 Windows Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Sunday, December 02, 2001, 11:50:17 AM, James Senick wrote: Sean, I got the same. But I think that was an auto generated send from the trojan. Possibly not. But that would be my first guess seeing how it was the BadTrans worm that was attached. Apparently it scans inboxes for new prospects. I think people in this list are far above that sort of behavior. This is true. Details here: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I would have received it as well if Norton Antivirus hadn't nailed it before it even reached the inbox. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hello Zach, Sunday, December 02, 2001, 12:15:08 PM, you wrote: ZR Sunday, December 02, 2001, 11:50:17 AM, James Senick wrote: I got the same. But I think that was an auto generated send from the trojan. Possibly not. But that would be my first guess seeing how it was the BadTrans worm that was attached. Apparently it scans inboxes for new prospects. I think people in this list are far above that sort of behavior. ZR This is true. Details here: ZR http:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZR I would have received it as well if Norton Antivirus hadn't nailed it ZR before it even reached the inbox. I'm glad to find out that it wasn't a malicious attempt to counter my opinion. :) Fortunately, I, too saved by both The Bat! and Norton Antivirus...what a wonderful combination. :) - Sean T. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Sunday, December 02, 2001, 12:25:55 PM, I wrote: NST opinion. :) Fortunately, I, too saved by both The Bat! and Norton I, too saved? That's twice in less than 24 hours that I've found myself unable to speak grammatically correct English! I better do a little less programming and a little more getting out. :) - Sean T. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hi Kris, On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:35:06 +0100GMT (03/12/2001, 02:35 +0800GMT), Kris Vermandere wrote: KV Hello, I also have a question about HTML : I know that I can't create KV a HTML message, but what do I have to do when I want to reply to a KV HTML message, or when I want to forward it? In order to reply, you can try hitting the reply button. In order to forward a message, trying the forward button is a good idea. KV Then the HTML structure is lost, and all that is left is plain KV text, Yes, you have understood the whole point. :-) KV so the receiver will not see the original contents of the mail. Is KV there any other way to make sure the receivers sees the original KV message? If you want to send it to spamcops, you mean? (I wouldn't know any other reason.) If course, just MIME forward the message. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53t under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hi N., On Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:40:27 -0700GMT (03/12/2001, 02:40 +0800GMT), N. Sean Timm wrote: NST To my the problem isn't HTML, per-se...it's the fact that the features NST of HTML can be misused by more unsavory types NST I stand by my statement that there can and are valid uses of HTML NST email that are not malicious, and anything that can be done to NST enable these, while protecting against the misuse of it (such as NST only allowing it from those you specify) is a Good Thing. I agree. Some newsletters are in HTML and that's not a bad idea. (Note that these are newsletters , not HTML-Email. HTML has nothing to do with Email, except maybe for an occasional attachment, even though newsletters are sent via the same ports and protocols as newsletters.) Here is a suggestion: Make an option to allow GET commands for emails from trustful sender addresses, or to download images from trustful servers. This way, the sender of the newsletter can leave the graphics on his server and does not need to send billions of additional bytes through the internet to each recipient. Does this make sense? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53t under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
(SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Don wrote: As much as some of us hate it, html mail is here to stay, and any mail client that doesn't offer the option to compose in this format is doomed in the long run. I despise tacky Outlook html templates but people love using them. The Bat *needs* to be able to compose in html format. As far as viewing html mails, we should have the option of using the Bat's built-in limited viewer (which is enought for my own needs, anyhow) or selecting Microsoft's viewer if we want to see the mail with images, etc. For what it's worth, my opinion is that TB! is doing the right thing (read but not write). The problem is that home and business have radically different requirements. People at home write HTML, quite often without knowing it, and are very lax in handling emails; I am a member of two musicians' lists (the participants being very much users of a PC as a means to an end, as opposed to users of a PC) and viruses were turning up almost weekly until I persuaded the list owner to set up their software to strip out attachments. People at work tend not to write HTML. There is often almost an over-reaction to viruses; many companies I work with strip out HTML and check for viruses at the server as well as on the desktop, but some go further. One client strips out all attachments bar PDF (Word documents and PowerPoint presentations have to be converted before sending or they bounce), strips out HTML, plasters disclaimers everywhere, sets up NT to prevent any software installation or alteration at all and reduces Internet access to the intranet and one external site (news.bbc.co.uk) :) I have a feeling that strong feeling against viruses will spread, particularly as broadband connections become common, and there will be a fork; email will be for plain ASCII and attachments, whereas the bells and whistles will move to instant messaging. Given all this, I would not encourage people to use HTML in emails, but they have to be able to read it (or remove it) :) Alastair -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hi Alastair, On samedi 1 décembre 2001 at 10:50:43, you wrote : AS Given all this, I would not encourage people to use HTML in emails, but AS they have to be able to read it (or remove it) :) Yes. I do agree with you. An option is the best for everyone. But there's another point in the reading HTML capabilites with The Bat!. I can't see external gif or jpeg in most of the newsletters I receive. All other software I tried (Pegasus, Eudora, Pocomail...) let me see all external gif or jpeg included in HTML messages... What's the problem ? -- Regards, Ericmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.54/10 on Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
On Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:36:16 AM, Nick Andriash wrote: At 12:47 AM 01/12/01, Don Zeigler wrote: The Bat *needs* to be able to compose in html format. As far as viewing html mails, we should have the option of using the Bat's built-in limited viewer (which is enought for my own needs, anyhow) or selecting Microsoft's viewer if we want to see the mail with images, etc. Negative! If people want to see all that fancy HTML, then they can use a Browser to view it, which is what HTML was designed for. I would have to disagree with you that TB! 'needs' to be able to do HTML anything. What you are proposing is an Outlook 'wannabe', and I for one hope RITLabs never entertain going that route. I agree wholeheartedly. My experience is that 99% of the people who use html in their mails even don't know that they do so. They are just the victims of the default options of Outlook. Spammers use html deliberately, but I don't feel obliged to support them. The Bat! shouldn't become an Outlook clone, it is just the difference that makes it an attractive and safe alternative. No use for wasting resources for an option that is deliberately used only by a few percent of the population. Let them muddle with Outlook. Peter Smitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xs4all.nl/~psmitt http://www.fine-art.com/psmitt -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter! On 30 Nov 2001 at 22:51:25 you wrote: you don't need HTML for that. It's easy in ascii to write *bold* or /italics/ or even _underline_ ... ;-) If I wanted to write someone an HTML styled christmas card, I'd do it in my HTML editor or use *arrgh* OE... ;o) I'd rather see a real mail card, either a nice one you can buy or one created by you in a programme like CorelDraw. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/14 on Windows 95 4.0 67306684 C Shoot them all - let GOD sort them out. (Grandpa Simpson) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBPAiOuPTo1oA8g8dLEQKXfACfZMLuMIPrBA3BKD+U2YM7GJF9CrUAn18K JwpBXHNs4sa1KDA58W+31tF9 =VBWu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Eric, On 01 December 2001 at 12:23:24 [GMT+0100] (which was 11:23 where I live) Eric Malausséna wrote to Alastair Scott and made these points: EM But there's another point in the reading HTML capabilites with The EM Bat!. I can't see external gif or jpeg in most of the EM newsletters I receive. Correct. EM All other software I tried (Pegasus, Eudora, Pocomail...) let me EM see all external gif or jpeg included in HTML messages... Shame on them! Is this as an option? Even if it's optional, it's not right: EM What's the problem ? This is covered in the FAQ. TB shows in-line images (those sent with the messages) but only browsers or HTML message renderers that are linked to browsing code will GET images will show out-of-line images. Email is supposed to be a collect and read off-line experience. Browsing is supposed to be an on-line experience. It is the cross-over and corruption of this *fact* that is making a mess of the whole email genre. It has led to security holes, back doors, bloat, virus infection and invasions of privacy to name but a few of the bad things about it. Any mail client that does other than TB in its internal rendering is asking for trouble and is (IMHO) just plain wrong. Even making it optional is still wrong. The user has to make the decision on a per-message basis as to whether or not it is safe to fully render *that* message. There is always the option to launch an HTML version of the message into a real browser if you simply *must* see the message in it's full gory (sic). In the case of TB, just double-click the HTML attachment and it's done. This isn't about Canute holding back the inevitable tide of progress. More and more people are beginning to see the light and understand just how appallingly this HTML silliness has rendered so many naive users vulnerable to exploitation. Sad. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / ' TB! v1.54 Beta/14-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE8CMNUOeQkq5KdzaARAmDVAKDMV5vv6N/67jArHmKJv5E0bK70cQCff2lC 57nnEHWKw85s8l6ZWIdV5jA= =vhfA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Geoff, On 01 December 2001 at 11:54:50 [GMT+] (which was 11:54 where I live) Geoff Lane wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: GL Personally, I feel that the *option* of using HTML would add value GL to TB. (... but plain text should be the default:-) This is now known to be on its way - early next year is the intended release date. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / ' TB! v1.54 Beta/14-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE8CMopOeQkq5KdzaARAtxFAJ9cA0avGZePTthzTpvuRgN4GOxhSwCgnNLa /FsnSKcPHLn0qWkGL5ellco= =7FZ3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hi Marck, On samedi 1 décembre 2001 at 12:47:31, you wrote : EM All other software I tried (Pegasus, Eudora, Pocomail...) let me EM see all external gif or jpeg included in HTML messages... MDP Shame on them! Is this as an option? Even if it's optional, it's not MDP right: IMHO, The Bat! is the only one which can't display external images (Becky! shows them too) EM What's the problem ? MDP In the case of TB, just double-click the HTML attachment and it's MDP done. Shame on me :-( I did NOT know it was possible !!! First, thanks for your long answer. Two, I really DO agree with all what you said now I know it's very easy to see the plain html message... for me, security is a very important point (I'm connected with ADSL). I tried a lot of other mailers because I didn't know it was possible seeing html with external images just double clicking on the HTML attachement... BTW, I had returned yet to The Bat! because, for me, it's the best... Thank you very much -- Regards, Ericmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.54/10 on Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
Hello Dierk, Saturday, December 01, 2001, 11:03:03 AM, you wrote: DH I'd rather see a real mail card, either a nice one you can buy or one DH created by you in a programme like CorelDraw. Aaaarrrgghh! I'd rather see a mail card actually handmade - not a bought one and *definitely* not one created with a computer! But back to the topic - I have sent one HTML-message in my two-and-a-half-year history of messin' around with computers. A friend of mine asked me to do that so that he could see if his mailer was behaving OK. I used Becky! for that one message but I have no objections if RITLabs is going to introduce that facility in TB! as long as it's not the default setting. -- Best regards, Pete _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hello Eric, 1. december 2001, 13:29:48, you wrote: EM IMHO, The Bat! is the only one which can't display external images EM (Becky! shows them too) Correct me, if I'm wrong, but IIRC, Becky uses IE to display HTML messages... -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/14 on Windows 98 4.10.67766222. ] Highways in the worst need of repair naturally have low traffic counts, which results in low priority for repair work. -- Cleveland's Highway Law -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[4]: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hi Jernej, On samedi 1 décembre 2001 at 19:27:12, you wrote : EM IMHO, The Bat! is the only one which can't display external images EM (Becky! shows them too) JS Correct me, if I'm wrong, but IIRC, Becky uses IE to display HTML JS messages... Becky shows HTML messages in its own message viewer. BTW, it needs IE. See HTML information in the Help File : HTML messages Becky! can display e-mail messages written in HTML format in the window. This is made possible by using an ActiveX component of Microsoft Internet Explorer. So, you have to install Internet Explorer, at least ver.3.0 or higher to get it to work, although it is not recommended using older than ver.4.0 because of the security vulnerabilities. To view HTML messages, make sure Use MSIE component option in General SetupMessage View is ticked. It is strongly recommended to tick Invalidate Executable Tags, too. While you are reading HTML messages with space bar, you will find that you can't go to a next unread message by hitting space bar. This is because that Becky! has no way to know entire HTML message is shown. In that case, hit Ctrl+space. You can also edit HTML messages in the compose window. For HTML editing, you need MSIE 5.0 or higher installed. Note that many people hates receiving HTML messages. Especially on the mailing list, HTML messages are thought to be offending sometimes, and that can cause worthless flames. Please refrain from sending HTML messages unless you really need to do. -- Regards, Ericmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.54/10 on Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Alastair, Saturday, December 01, 2001, 4:50:43 AM, you wrote: Alastair For what it's worth, my opinion is that TB! is doing the right thing Alastair (read but not write). Alastair The problem is that home and business have radically different Alastair requirements. Good call. I'm glad to hear someone finally say it. But I think you are referring to inter-office messaging rather than business e-mail. And no, this doesn't mean spam. Not every message from a commercial entity is spam. That's another area where people get carried away. HTML e-mail is most useful as a business tool rather than a glitzy informal message. I'd love to use theBat as my sole business e-mail tool but it is quite a hassle to attach an html file to 10,000+ messages then export them, make necessary changes (and no, changing the content type to multipart/alternative is not the only change necessary) and finally import them all back into the Outbox. The fact is that theBat is and hopefully always will be a step above other e-mail clients. So, simply adding the ability to compose html messages would not be enough. One would still want to be able to personalize mass e-mail messages and further more embed an ascii version for anyone not able to view html. No other e-mail client provides this functionality to my knowledge. Even Becky only allows for sending mass html messages via the BCC line which many servers will toss out on sight. Why? Again that fear that any message with numerous addresses in the BCC line is Spam. On viruses and external images...from the business end it would be ridiculous to expect customers to put up with embedded images. Keeping them external at least gives the customer a chance to delete the message before all the downloading begins. Please don't think of HTML e-mail as an evil business tool used by spammers alone. In my case I'd much rather send text since I can send them ten times faster. But our subscriber base prefers HTML. They sign up for it, it is not chosen for them. The problem with viruses is well documented but it is certainly not the norm. And one shouldn't shy away from HTML because of them just as you wouldn't abstain from using the 'Net for fear of infection. But I digress...I think the reason why theBat has yet to implement HTML composing is simply because when RitLabs does something they try to do it right. I don't think it is because they are part of some end all html e-mail movement. I am not speaking from insider knowledge here. These are just my thoughts on the subject. Alastair I have a feeling that strong feeling against viruses will spread, Alastair particularly as broadband connections become common, and there will be a Alastair fork; email will be for plain ASCII and attachments, whereas the bells Alastair and whistles will move to instant messaging. Again, this is from the home-user standpoint. E-commerce requires the use of HTML e-mail to some degree. And at least some customers ask for it specifically. Attachments were all the rage way back when but now people fear them. I guess I can't blame them...at least they've come that far in avoiding viruses. I prefer the dual html / ascii method. I like to choose. But so far theBat is the only client that handles it near perfect in my experience. Alastair Given all this, I would not encourage people to use HTML in emails, but Alastair they have to be able to read it (or remove it) :) I guess I can't really argue with that except to expand on it. I wouldn't discourage the use of any form of communication. However, I would highly encourage the use of theBat. That move alone would solve many of the concerns expressed in these two threads. Even though we all may consider theBat to be beyond mainstream quality, the masses may not feel this way until HTML composing and improved handling is implemented. Again, I trust this is already in the works, as Marck has stated. It's probably just being done the right way! One only needs to be patient I suppose. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.54 Beta/9 Windows Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hello James, Saturday, December 01, 2001, 8:54:39 PM, you wrote: JS On viruses and external images...from the business end JS it would be ridiculous to expect customers to put up with JS embedded images. Keeping them external at least gives the JS customer a chance to delete the message before all the JS downloading begins. Please don't think of HTML e-mail as an JS evil business tool used by spammers alone. In my case I'd much JS rather send text since I can send them ten times faster. But JS our subscriber base prefers HTML. They sign up for it, it is JS not chosen for them. The problem with viruses is well JS documented but it is certainly not the norm. And one shouldn't JS shy away from HTML because of them just as you wouldn't abstain JS from using the 'Net for fear of infection. To my the problem isn't HTML, per-se...it's the fact that the features of HTML can be misused by more unsavory types (such as spammers, who, by merely including an external image, can determine whether or not your email address is valid.) However, there are also perfectly valid reasons to want/need HTML. However, in these cases, the receipient usually expects HTML from a certain source. I think it'd be great if The Bat! allowed you to set up a list of people (or a filter?) that were allowed to send you HTML, and it would display the images automatically for mail from those addresses. - Sean T. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hello James, On Saturday, December 1, 2001 at 22:54 GMT -0500, a creature mimicking James Senick [JS] wrote: JS One would still want to be able to personalize mass e-mail JS messages and further more embed an ascii version for anyone not JS able to view html. TB has a version of a mass mailing function. 1. a) Create your message/template in a quick template b) Select Use for New Messages/Mass Mailing 2. Go into your Address Book, a) Select the addresses/group b) File - Mass Mailing using Template - Template It has been reported that this feature can be somewhat buggy when working with large numbers of addresses. I personally can't comment as I never use the feature. Also, I can't be sure that the problems are in the current release, they may have been from the 1.53 beta days. Again, I'm not sure because I don't use it. The point is, you should probably test the feature on a known test group before using it on your customers. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/14 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 67766446 A All science is either physics or stamp collecting. -- E. Rutherford -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hello N., On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:38:06 -0700 GMT (02/12/2001, 12:38 +0800 GMT), N. Sean Timm wrote: NST To my the problem isn't HTML, per-se... To me it is. HTML blows the message up 2 or 3 times. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ad: Stock up and save. Limit: one. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54/10 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: (SOT) Re: HTML-mail
Hi Januk, Sunday, December 02, 2001, 12:31:38 AM, you wrote: Januk Hello James, Januk On Saturday, December 1, 2001 at 22:54 GMT -0500, a creature mimicking Januk James Senick [JS] wrote: JS One would still want to be able to personalize mass e-mail JS messages and further more embed an ascii version for anyone not JS able to view html. Januk TB has a version of a mass mailing function. Yes. I was really referring to the personalization of HTML e-mail messages on a mass scale. It can still be done; just not nicely done. The ascii portions can be personalized. And too, I am referring to personalization of the message body rather than just the to address or subject line. The html cannot since it begins as an attached file. Januk It has been reported that this feature can be somewhat buggy when Januk working with large numbers of addresses. I personally can't comment as Januk I never use the feature. Also, I can't be sure that the problems are Januk in the current release, they may have been from the 1.53 beta days. Januk Again, I'm not sure because I don't use it. The point is, you should Januk probably test the feature on a known test group before using it on Januk your customers. I have used it on semi large ascii mass mailings and with the multipart/alternative version as well. I haven't noticed any bugs to date. It is slow during that process but I would expect that of any program processing such a large request. It should also be noted though that I use a local mail server for this type of thing. So the send isn't nearly as lengthy as it could be. And there is no need to send in batches. If I sent them all at once to an external mail server I'd likely run into a memory error. Thanks for the advice though. -- Best regards, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Environment: theBat! version 1.54 Beta/9 Windows Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Geoff On 30 November 2001 at 11:04:14 + (which was 11:04 where I live) Geoff Lane thoughtfully wrote the following GL I'm a real TB newbie -- so please go easy on me for this question. Welcome. GL I've been trialling TB for three days. I normally send plain text, so GL the question of HTML mail has only just occurred to me. I know that TB GL can read HTML mail -- but can I use it to compose HTML mail? At this moment in time you can not compose HTML e-mail.There are ways around it. You can create an HTML document and attach it to an email message. You can then export the message with the HTML attachment to a .MSG file, change the 'content-type' header from 'multipart/mixed' to 'multipart/alternative', import the message back into the outbox and finally (phew!) send it. Obviously, this procedure is not for the faint hearted. (My thanks to Oleg Zalyalov for this tip) I got this from the FAQ which can but accessed from the help menu. (This is not a RTFM). Please ask any other questions on this list as this is the place to do it. - -- See you in Cyber space, ___ David | SecureBat! 1.54/9/iKey1000 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Server 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | Wait on the Lord: be of good courage-- Psalm 27:14 | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GnuPG Signed, sealed, delivered. iD8DBQE8B3IB+Yrx5mUPRTQRAqWOAJ41lHWAQ/czkmCH674o5HYio/wg9wCgm1W4 mjpIyB99jHWUj5dcU8t8Z1I= =R44+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
Hello Geoff, On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:04:14 +GMT (30-11-2001, 12:04 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: GL but can I use it to compose HTML mail? No. Sending html mail is possible, by creating some html and sending it as an attachment. But no composing with TB. -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
On 30-11-2001 at 12:04, Geoff Lane kindly wrote: I've been trialling TB for three days. I normally send plain text, so the question of HTML mail has only just occurred to me. I know that TB can read HTML mail -- but can I use it to compose HTML mail? (I suspect that the answer is no, if only because I haven't found anything for applying HTML formatting.) Yiur hunch is correct: TB doesn't allow styled text, only plain ascii - for a number of reasons, one of them being that plain text is the preferred method of communication for mail, another being that this severly limits the danger of inadvertedly sending virii. - K - -- What really interests me is whether God had any choice in the creation of the world. - Albert Einstein -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
@ 12:58:02 +0100 [ Fri, 30 Nov 2001], Karin Spaink [KS] wrote these words of wisdom: ... KS another being that this severly limits the danger KS of inadvertedly sending virii. Really? How? -- ©Allie C Martin (_ List Moderator and fellow end user __) TB! v1.54/13a Win2K SP 2 PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 __ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
On 30-11-2001 at 13:08, Allie C Martin kindly wrote: Karin Spaink [KS] wrote: [no html] KS another being that this severly limits the danger KS of inadvertedly sending virii. Really? How? Pictures. Didn't we even have a thread once in which somebody explained why TB doesn't include pictures from webpages, because they're a security risk? - K - -- People say when they cuddle they're like spoons, but we're a drawerful of knives and forks. - Daniel Richler: Kicking Tomorrow -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
@ 13:29:25 +0100 [ Fri, 30 Nov 2001], Karin Spaink [KS] thoughtfully wrote the following: ... Really? How? KS Pictures. Didn't we even have a thread once in which somebody KS explained why TB doesn't include pictures from webpages, because KS they're a security risk? Oh. But that's a different issue. That has to do with incoming HTML mail. The current query is about *composing* HTML mail for sending. -- | ©Allie Martin - Moderator o|--- | TB! v1.54/13a Win2K SP 2 PGPKey - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 __ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
Hello Karin Spaink, On Friday, November 30 2001 at 03:58 AM PDT, you wrote: Yiur hunch is correct: TB doesn't allow styled text, only plain ascii - for a number of reasons, one of them being that plain text is the preferred method of communication for mail Hmmm... Then it would stand to reason that TB! shouldn't be offering anything to do with HTML. ;o) -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Courtenay, B.C. Canada=- Win 98SE | PGP 7.1 | Becky v2.00.07 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:27:27 -0800GMT (which was 21:27 +0100GMT where I live), Nick Andriash thought about HTML-mail and wrote: Yiur hunch is correct: TB doesn't allow styled text, only plain ascii - for a number of reasons, one of them being that plain text is the preferred method of communication for mail NA Hmmm... Then it would stand to reason that TB! shouldn't be offering NA anything to do with HTML. ;o) I don't think so, Nick. There are too many Outlook (Express) users around. I do like to be able to see their style, though I despise HTML in mails generally. I agree with you in so far as TB! shouldn't implement creating HTML mails. This should never be encouraged. -- Cheers Peter There are two infinite things, the universe and human stupidity, but I'm not quite sure about the universe yet. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:08:52 -0500GMT (which was 22:08 +0100GMT where I live), Rick Reumann thought about HTML-mail and wrote: RR Although for the most part I also despise HTML emails, I'm not so RR certain that at least having the option to use it occasionally would RR be such a bad idea. The only HTML I used was some occasional bolding RR or italics which I didn't think was such a horrible offense. Hi Rick, you don't need HTML for that. It's easy in ascii to write *bold* or /italics/ or even _underline_ ... ;-) If I wanted to write someone an HTML styled christmas card, I'd do it in my HTML editor or use *arrgh* OE... ;o) -- Cheers Peter 'And remember, it's bad style to start a sentence with a conjunction!' -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
Hello Kenneth, On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 16:22:16 -0500 GMT (01/12/2001, 05:22 +0800 GMT), Kenneth S. Rhee wrote: RR Although for the most part I also despise HTML emails, I'm not so RR certain that at least having the option to use it occasionally would RR be such a bad idea. The only HTML I used was some occasional bolding RR or italics which I didn't think was such a horrible offense. KSR I don't want to start the flame war here, but I believe if BAT is KSR continue to attract new customers and keep up with the rest of the KSR world, this feature should be available as an option. AFAIK it will be. KSR Everyday I turn around, most of the world around me is going KSR multimedia, and although I don't like it, it is the way it is. No, it is not necessary to embed background music in emails. I don't think the world will go that way either. The one around me doesn't at all. KSR Besides, with the broadband connection, most people don't suffer from KSR bandwidth limitation of 56K modems. You live in a privileged country. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. We are the people our parents warned us about. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54/10 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML-mail
On 30 Nov 2001, 10:18:53 PM, Thomas F wrote: KSR Besides, with the broadband connection, most people don't suffer KSR from bandwidth limitation of 56K modems. You live in a privileged country. And most likely in an urban area. There are large parts of rural US where there are no local ISPs and a person must either make a long distance call or use a toll free number and may an hourly premium. I think it is a misconception that most of US has broadband (or can afford it where it is available) -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/14 on Windows NT version 5,1 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Abigail, On 10 January 2001 at 14:06:55 -0800 (which was 22:06 where I live) Abigail Marshall wrote and made these points: AM Those of us who have joined the list relatively recently have no AM way of knowing which issues and topics have been discussed here AM before. snip AM The ONLY answer is a good online FAQ, combined with automated AM distribution to the list of the links to the FAQ, as a reminder AM to new users to check the FAQs before posting. There is a searchable list archive. The address is distributed to the list at the foot of every message. The welcome message contains a link to the FAQ. Although this issue is a recurrent bette-noire, RIT labs have promised to offer support of this much requested feature in V2. Perhaps I should add a section to the FAQ about why TB (v1) doesn't show out-of-line images and why it's a "good thing" that it is so. AM The fact that a subject seems to be one that has been AM exhaustively debated in the past would indicate that it is AM something that should be included in the FAQs. Agreed. I may get time to add something about in very soon. My current workload has meant that I have not been available to do very much about it recently. Bear in mind, also, that this list and the FAQ are a *user* resource - maintained by volunteers. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49b S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOl0DoTnkJKuSnc2gEQKyewCdEVU2qQK5RkT0NVlDnSqIUXu9DlIAoPr0 q+JlqexIR20HEyH4eDdyvD77 =t9uK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: DEAD PHOENIX (Was Re: HTML Mail viewing (images))
On January 9, 2001, at 5:09:58 PM, MartianRover KF6KNC Wrote: MK Being that these questions get asked over and over again by new comers MK and such, is there an archive that one could search through for an MK answer before posting to the list? Check the footer of every message. There you will find a link to the TBUDL Archives: MK View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.49 | PGP 7.0.2 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT: Re: DEAD PHOENIX (Was Re: HTML Mail viewing (images))
Hallo MartianRover, I'm doing something which is against the list rules: reply to a dead-horsed message. This is because you don't seem to have understood Marck's point. On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:09:58 -0800 GMT (09/01/2001, 09:09 +0800 GMT), MartianRover KF6KNC wrote: MDP This conversation has been Dead Horsed so many times that I can only MDP roll my eyes as I have to kill it again g. MartianRover What do you mean "Against the Rules"? He meant "me too"'s. MartianRover Being that these questions get asked over and over again by new MartianRover comers and such, is there an archive that one could search MartianRover through for an answer before posting to the list? If not, what MartianRover about setting one up? What about reading the footer of every message that you receive on this list: View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com -- Cheers, Thomas. -Bureaucrats do not change the course of the ship of state. They merely adjust the compass. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: DEAD PHOENIX (Was Re: HTML Mail viewing (images))
This message: 09/01/2001 11:45 GMT. Hello MartianRover, A reminder of what MartianRover ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 09 January 2001 at 17:09:58 GMT -0800 MK KF6KNC OT I know but... Is that a Radio Amateur call sign I see? -- Best regards,Tony.[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.49 S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)
Hello! Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 12:18:31 PM, Austin Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost AD Apologies for going against the rules of the list. I should have read the AD rules more carefully. Personally I don't think you're going against the rules of this ML when you're trying to discuss some topics like one you were raised. However this particular topic have been discussed more than 10 times in my mind with the same and the sad result: it ended up with the holy war and the flame war :-(. Sad but true (C) RIT Labs. There are several ways to stop this useless HTML-with-images talks forever. One of them IMHO is to wait until the RIT Labs will release the next (third, fourth) TB! version with the user-selectable behaviour when receiving such messages. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 11:36:07 PM, Kent Villard (iChef) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KVi I'm sure I missed this somewhere (if I did, please direct to where), You can search the TBUDL archives for a long and repeated discussions about this feature. KVi but I was wondering is there a way to get the images to display when KVi viewing HTML messages? I have a constant connection and would love for KVi these messages to be complete. I have some messages that I get KVi periodically with gfx (like charts etc) - that I would like to be able KVi to view within the mail client. If these images are embedded (attached) to the HTML message you've received TB! will show them in the HTML preview pane. But if any image referenced in the HTML part should be taken from any outside source (for example, IMG SRC="http://server.domain.tld/images/image.gif" it wouldn't be shown. It has been done to prevent a malicious content from being _automatically_ downloaded to your computer. A workaround: if you have some HTML message with the exclamation marks instead of the real images just double-click the message.html or message.shtml attachment and your default browser will open it in the separate window. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)
Hi Kent I'm sure I missed this somewhere (if I did, please direct to where), but I was wondering is there a way to get the images to display when viewing HTML messages? I have a constant connection and would love for these messages to be complete. I have some messages that I get periodically with gfx (like charts etc) - that I would like to be able to view within the mail client. Do you mean you would like the attachment to automatically appear when you view a message? If so, I emailed a similar suggestion to Ritlabs a few days ago - this was the response: AD 2. It would be nice if attachments (i.e. images) appeared at the AD end of the message text, as it does in Outlook Express. [skip] These two will be solved when a version with the new editor will be released. We are developing a new message editor/viewer right now - it will behave more "windows-like" and I think it will be possible to view images at the end of a message... "think" is not encouraging, but we can hope. I am now used to pressing CTRL-TAB to cycle through the attachments, but would still prefer them to automatically appear at the end of the message. Regards Austin I'm using TheBat v1.49 on a Windows 2000 box with 384Mb of RAM for anyone who cares! Thanks to anyone that can help! -- Best regards, Kent - Kent Villardmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WebMaster The Internet Chef -http://www.ichef.com/--- Visit Our New Sites: http://www.links4recipes.com/ - The Best Recipe Portal On The Net. http://www.recipes4thanksgiving.com/ - All Thanksgiving Cooking All The Time -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)
Hello! Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 12:20:13 AM, Austin Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AD Do you mean you would like the attachment to automatically appear when you AD view a message? If so, I emailed a similar suggestion to Ritlabs a few days AD ago - this was the response: AD 2. It would be nice if attachments (i.e. images) appeared at the AD end of the message text, as it does in Outlook Express. AD [skip] Oh no... (just IMHO). Please don't pull on an OE's and/or Nescape Messenger's skins on TB!. AD These two will be solved when a version with the new editor will be AD released. We are developing a new message editor/viewer right now - it AD will behave more "windows-like" and I think it will be possible to AD view images at the end of a message... AD "think" is not encouraging, but we can hope. AD I am now used to pressing CTRL-TAB to cycle through the attachments, AD but would still prefer them to automatically appear at the end of ^^^ AD the message. What do you mean by saying that? Do you _really_ want that all that .html .ra .qt .scr .swf attachments will render/play/saving-your-screen/etc. upon the message view? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)
Hi What do you mean by saying that? Do you _really_ want that all that .html .ra .qt .scr .swf attachments will render/play/saving-your-screen/etc. upon the message view? I wouldn't want any other types of attachments to do anything automatically, but images - yes (perhaps it could be an option though). That's really the only reason that made me think twice before switching from Outlook Express (well, that and the editor). No complaints apart from those though - TB wins hands down. Austin -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
DEAD PHOENIX (Was Re: HTML Mail viewing (images))
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09 January 2001 at 16:14:44 -0800 (which was 00:14 where I live) Abigail Marshall wrote and made these points: AD Me too. :) AM Not me! This conversation has been Dead Horsed so many times that I can only roll my eyes as I have to kill it again g. Of course the newcomers to the list haven't necessarily seen it before, but the above clips should show how "against the rules" the conversation quickly becomes. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.49 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOlpfQTnkJKuSnc2gEQIKdACfVicCq4rz1ZpuUo4HAbXVaK7aAIAAoOOd LdEjdpYwydMKOoOHD6Wn4Ywm =KdBq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)
Hallo Kent, On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:36:07 -0400 GMT (09/01/2001, 04:36 +0800 GMT), Kent Villard (iChef) wrote: Kent I'm sure I missed this somewhere (if I did, please direct to where), Kent but I was wondering is there a way to get the images to display when Kent viewing HTML messages? If the images are sent with the message, they will be shown. If they are not sent with the message, they will not be downloaded. This is by design. There are no intentions to ever change this. Check the archives for the reasons and why people would uninstall in droves if TB would suddenly copy this malicious behaviour of Outlook. You can still double-click on any HTML attachments that contain the external references, and that would open your browser, which will download the images as you wish. -- Cheers, Thomas. Doctors use computers to create a three demential picture of a person's brain. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: DEAD PHOENIX (Was Re: HTML Mail viewing (images))
Hi Marck and TB!ers :) [snip] MDP This conversation has been Dead Horsed so many times that I can only MDP roll my eyes as I have to kill it again g. MDP Of course the newcomers to the list haven't necessarily seen it MDP before, but the above clips should show how "against the rules" the MDP conversation quickly becomes. What do you mean "Against the Rules"? I was wondering about this topic myself. At first I didn't like that TB! didn't show images, but after using it a lot now, I like it that way. Sometimes however, I would like to see the images. I think they should have a button or something that I could click on to show the images just for that session (if that makes any sense). Being that these questions get asked over and over again by new comers and such, is there an archive that one could search through for an answer before posting to the list? If not, what about setting one up? - MartianRover KF6KNC __ Contact Info Visit http://www.Bigfoot.com/~MartianRover/contact.html My homepage is http://www.Bigfoot.com/~MartianRover -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
Hi John, On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:03:27 +0100GMT (15/09/2000, 17:03 +0800GMT), John Hinson wrote: JH My other irritation with TB's handling of multiple accounts is that JH there is no easy button/key combination to collect email from all JH accounts. I keep collecting from just one in error. perhaps I have JH missed something here. Key combo ALT-F2, or the little arrow right next to the "Check Mail" button. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
This message: 15/09/2000 12:01 GMT. Hello Steve, A reminder of what Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 15 September 2000 at 16:02:43 GMT -0700 SL They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Any reason why your not using either of them? -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/6 S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
This message: 15/09/2000 11:19 GMT. Sorry if this is a bit late but my pop server was down all day yesterday. Hello John, A reminder of what John ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 14 September 2000 at 16:20:17 GMT +0100 JH And finally, I plead guilty. I'm writing this using a rival product JH (Poco) which lacks some of The Bat's features but does seem more JH flexible in this respect. Can you chaps convert me 100% to The Bat!? Quite easily! Use TB! for serious e-mail use when you want to appear highly intellectual and vastly superior. When you want to lower yourself to the level of Outlook Express users and want to really impress them with HTML coded e-mail, check out this program found at: http://www.incredimail.com/english/index.html It's totally free but I suggest you don't use it for this or any other list. Your likely to be flogged into extinction by hoards of people wielding large, fresh, wet, slimy, fishy smelling things. I can often be found playing with these less fortunate individuals but only at this address [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you do get it and want to play then E me at that address. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/6 S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday, September 15, 2000, 4:02:36 AM, Tony wrote: SL They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Any reason why your not using either of them? What makes you think I'm not using one of them? - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOcJgenpf7K2LbpnFEQJ9zACghvQnXR62jafbhJqmjO6mSva3jOsAoKtt rbhi1Gx1ZW+6O4nIOeRmDTj3 =ODer -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday, September 15, 2000, 4:43:49 AM, Tony wrote: http://www.incredimail.com/english/index.html Thanks, I'm going to have to go home sick now. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOcJhfHpf7K2LbpnFEQKj+ACcCUhaAQ/HnbIOvjpg4rzrUC03tv4AoKoG 5ch7TpslIuqEDoQOiqBTE2kv =Frr3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:46:34 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: SL Friday, September 15, 2000, 4:02:36 AM, Tony wrote: SL They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Any reason why your not using either of them? SL What makes you think I'm not using one of them? The mail that Tony replied to was written (according to the X-Mailer header) with "Mutt/1.2.5i" Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday, September 15, 2000, 11:33:27 AM, Peter wrote: SL What makes you think I'm not using one of them? The mail that Tony replied to was written (according to the X-Mailer header) with "Mutt/1.2.5i" Right. Is it now mandated that one must only use a single mail client. Hell, this week alone I've used 3 (The Bat!, mutt, KMail) and I run the mailing list for a forth (PMMail) even though I no longer use or endorse it. I think he should have taken a larger sample than one message. ;) - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOcJwknpf7K2LbpnFEQK81gCg9tiUd34oPcwZGx6II7a18c9PamMAnjfh uGk7N9yuU1nbJ1OZfXjV2eFz =4kRF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi John, On 15 September 2000 at 13:12:13 GMT +0100 (which was 13:12 where I live) John Hinson wrote and made these points on the subject of "HTML mail": JH but not JH 6. Collect/send for all accounts. JH Obviously different people have different uses of the software, JH but for myself I will write a lot of my mail off-line, then dial JH up and send them and download new stuff. Doubtless I could get JH used to it, but getting to the right command in the menu or button JH systems seems unnecessarily difficult. Something that may be JH addressed in the next version. Not necessary - it's already there! For every account, you can specify Combined Delivery in the transport options. Thus receive for all / send for all will do both operations at once for all accounts thus specified. HTH. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] No sense being pessimistic, it probably wouldn't work anyway TB! v1.46 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOcJ3ljnkJKuSnc2gEQLj1ACcD8abCC+JlJEOTzyP+bLLfMCISwIAnjuv zCrWFYhe5kLweVv0xYlpVAkn =Rejr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
This message: 15/09/2000 22:24 GMT. Hello Steve, A reminder of what Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 15 September 2000 at 10:50:52 GMT -0700 SL Thanks, I'm going to have to go home sick now. As long as you don't come round here sick I'm not worried :-) -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/6 S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:12:13 +0100, John Hinson wrote: JH It seems to me you can do all this at the click of a button or key combination JH 1. Collect for an individual account JH 2. Send for an individual account JH 3. Collect/send for an individual account JH 4. Collect for all accounts JH 5. Send for all accounts JH but not JH 6. Collect/send for all accounts. JH Obviously different people have different uses of the software, but for JH myself I will write a lot of my mail off-line, then dial up and send them JH and download new stuff. Doubtless I could get used to it, but getting to JH the right command in the menu or button systems seems unnecessarily JH difficult. Something that may be addressed in the next version. For most of those options there's a shortcut key defined and there's also the system hotkey's which may be configured via the 'Options' - 'Define system hotkeys' menu item. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "I used to have a handle on life, then it broke. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcK88/AXeSHuB5k3EQJvfACg0g/GEQKkFlWNmIIAGavO/xIE+E0AoNIN tjlAu4SX91Jt5tmq3gzPzSB3 =6Qvy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
Hi John, On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:12:13 +0100GMT (15/09/2000, 20:12 +0800GMT), John Hinson wrote: JH Sorry Curtis (and Thomas and Jamie), I only said half of what I meant to. [...] JH but not JH 6. Collect/send for all accounts. Yes, you can. I do it all the time. All of my account have Combined Delivery checked. (Account/Properties/Transport. Look for the checkbox.) I only hit ALT-F2, and all pending messages from all accounts are being sent, and all accounts are mail-checked. JH Something that may be addressed in the next version. It is working in this (and a number previous) versions. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
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Hi John,
On 14 September 2000 at 16:20:17 GMT +0100 (which was 16:20 where I
live) John Hinson wrote and made these points on the subject
of "HTML mail":
JH One feature defeats me, though. Is it possible to send HTML
JH ("styled") text? Certainly, it receives such messages fine, but
JH Ican't figure out any way to send such messages.
While you can (with a great deal of effort), it is not part of the TB
remit to cover HTML mail creation. There are a number of other
products which do this. There are also a large majority of dedicated
TB users who don't want TB to be able to do this. Theory states that
V2 (currently in development but not yet even in beta) will be able to
do this. I would prefer that it didn't, but then again I get told I'm
an old dinosaur in that respect.
JH Even the font for your view of writing messages seems to be
JH fixed-width only.
Because The Bat uses plain text formatting techniques which rely on
Fixed pitch fonts to work correctly. Text is the proper medium for
email and not HTML, which is intended for web browsing.
JH I know that HTML email is sometimes considered bad manners, so I
JH hope I am not treading on any toes here.
I'm afraid you are. Please refrain from posting HTML here.
JH And finally, I plead guilty. I'm writing this using a rival
JH product (Poco) which lacks some of The Bat's features but does
JH seemmore flexible in this respect. Can you chaps convert me 100%
JH to The Bat!?
The Bat is the best e-mail client there is. Period. HTML is not for
e-mail - it is for presentation. You wouldn't expect TB to include all
of WordPerfect's capabilities - you would sent a WP document as an
attachment. Thus you can attach a prepared HTML file to an email an
and in that way send an "HTML mail". I don't want to get into an
argument about OE and Poco and all of the others that "let you do it
properly". That doesn't make it right IMHO.
Now, show me another client that handles multiple accounts, with
template facilities like TB offers, as powerful a sorting office and
the very useful ticker and its' virtual folder for reading all new
mail. I don't believe there is one.
If you hang around, you may also discover that this list is itself yet
another asset in the TB armoury g.
Of course, the choice is yours.
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Re: HTML mail
Hallo John,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:20:17 +0100 GMT (14/09/2000, 23:20 +0800 GMT),
John Hinson wrote:
JH One feature defeats me, though. Is it possible to send HTML
JH ("styled") text? Certainly, it receives such messages fine, but
JH Ican't figure out any way to send such messages.
TB does not have an HTML editor.
JH Even the font for your view of writing messages seems to be
JH fixed-width only.
Correct.
JH I know that HTML email is sometimes considered bad manners, so I
JH hope I am not treading on any toes here.
Actually, on this list, any attachments (including HTML) are
discouraged.
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Re: HTML mail
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 05:54:55PM +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: attachment. Thus you can attach a prepared HTML file to an email an and in that way send an "HTML mail". I don't want to get into an argument about OE and Poco and all of the others that "let you do it properly". That doesn't make it right IMHO. Heh, you should take a look at one of the threads on the PMMail mailing list. We've gone over many reasons why HTML in email shouldn't be done. :) Now, show me another client that handles multiple accounts, with template facilities like TB offers, as powerful a sorting office and the very useful ticker and its' virtual folder for reading all new mail. I don't believe there is one. PMMail. Of course it doesn't have templates (which aren't used most of the time), has better sorting and doesn't need the ticker as it has most features available from the tray. I call them comparable. :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML mail
Hallo Steve, On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:10:51 -0700 GMT (15/09/2000, 01:10 +0800 GMT), Steve Lamb wrote: SL Heh, you should take a look at one of the threads on the PMMail mailing SL list. We've gone over many reasons why HTML in email shouldn't be done. :) My main argument is always the waste of bandwidth (and that I find emails with different fonts and colours offensive or just plain ugly, but that's certainly a matter of taste). What other reasons are there? SL PMMail. Of course it doesn't have templates (which aren't used most of SL the time), I use them heavily. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
