Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-23 Thread Bruce Mutton
> extend [left | right] [0 - 100] # 0 to 100% of the horizontal extension of > the leg, left or right where > extend left 0 would be the same as extend vertical, and > extend left 100 would be the same as extend left (ie 100% is > the default be

Re: [Therion] Conflict between "extend ignore" command and inverse legs

2018-06-07 Thread Marco Corvi via Therion
I have commented all the splays "extend ignore", and Therion is doing now a good job, ignoring the appropriate leg (extend ignore 83 92). All the splays "extend ignore" was confusing the Therion compiler. This data is an export from Topodroid, that incorporates the "exte

Re: [Therion] Extended elevations - development snapshot (commit 6860f82)

2020-08-01 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
>     extend 85 > >     extend left 1 > >   endgroup Not sure how that would even work, since you start and end a group without ever having a station 1 (or any legs) within it. Shouldn't the legs be specified before the "endgroup"? >     extend 85 left 1

[Therion] Conflict between "extend ignore" command and inverse legs

2018-06-07 Thread Bruce Mutton via Therion
Hi Marco I am not sure I understand, let me test my thinking, for everyone to pick apart :) I think the extend options provide control of the non-splay survey legs. In general that control amounts to left, right, vertical, not at all, or not visible. The splay legs should just ‘wobble

[Therion] Command extend

2020-09-06 Thread Markus Boldt
Hi all, the command "extend" comes in the loop centerline / endcenterline in the TH-File - right? Best Markus ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion

Re: [Therion] Extended profile problems

2019-09-08 Thread Bruce Mutton
> I dislike taking out a survey shot. Maybe the thing to do is have a > different centerline data file for generating this profile. You could see if extend hide or extend ignore will do the trick. Better than removing data or duplicating it. This https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/ex

[Therion] An extended elevation problem

2007-01-22 Thread Stacho Mudrak
Quoting Eric Madelaine : > an extended elevation, even with half of the loop flagged with a > "extend ignore", Therion thinks that the stations in my extended view > are very far, as if it did extend using another branch of the loop... I have tried and there is a BUG s

[Therion] Extended elevations with survex data

2007-11-29 Thread John Pybus
Stacho Mudrak wrote: > The problem, that therion exteded elevation was not designed to be used > with extended 3d files import. You should be able to control xelevation > using extend switch in centerline. Could you please try following: > > survey texa-elev > >

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-12-20 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
Stacho, I am wondering if there is a fault in all the other "extend" options, rather than this problem being specific to "extend ignore". extend vertical 3 # everything after station *2* is vertical extend right 8 # everything after station *7* is extended to the right

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-12-20 Thread Bruce Mutton
>but now I am wondering ... if they are supposed to take place for "the leg >that reaches this station, and every leg after it". ... o_O Pretty sure this is the way it is. Which is why I tend to use extend rather than with a single . It is more easily understood six months

Re: [Therion] Extended elevations - development snapshot (commit 6860f82)

2020-08-01 Thread Bruce Mutton
separate commands like this: > extend 85 1 > extend left 1 > or > extend 85 1 2 > extend left 1 2 Nope, still gets the unknown extend flag error. Bruce ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk https://mailman.speleo.sk/listinfo/therion

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-08 Thread Bruce Mutton
g an extended elevation. OK, I misunderstood... >extend ignore end 8 7 #or >extend ignore 8 7 end >"first" (default) and "second" also make sense from that perspective. >"former" and "latter" too. >extend ignore force 8 7 #or >extend ignore 8 7

Re: [Therion] Extended profile problems

2019-09-08 Thread Martin Sluka via Therion
> 8. 9. 2019 v 9:20, Bruce Mutton : > >> I dislike taking out a survey shot. Maybe the thing to do is have a >> different centerline data file for generating this profile. > > You could see if extend hide or extend ignore will do the trick. Better than > r

Re: [Therion] Extended profile problems

2019-09-08 Thread Bruce Mutton
It is never easy in my experience. Extend ignore will be the answer, if there is one. I tend to get the network shape correct first before trying to draw. There are some scrap statements that can then mess it up. Subtle variations in approach may make a big difference. Bruce -Original

[Therion] Extend start control, a possible bug and a feature request

2022-07-03 Thread Bruce Mutton
I'm working on an extended elevation for a short cave that has 10 loops and I'm having trouble getting the extended elevation that I would like. I suspect that it would be easier if I placed the extend statements in each of the survey data centrelines where the legs are enumerated, but instead I

Re: [Therion] Conflict between "extend ignore" command and inverse legs

2018-06-06 Thread Evaristo Quiroga via Therion
Thanks Bruce. I have commented all the splays "extend ignore", and Therion is doing now a good job, ignoring the appropriate leg (extend ignore 83 92). All the splays "extend ignore" was confusing the Therion compiler. This data is an export from Topodroid, that inco

[Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-23 Thread Bruce Mutton
Coincidentally, I'm working on an extended elevation at the moment, comprising six surveys. Happens to be the easiest I've ever worked on - no loops! But I would like to tweak the length of some of the legs/branches to make the adjacent passage relativity align better. Sometimes extend left

[Therion] Conflict between "extend ignore" command and inverse legs

2018-06-06 Thread Bruce Mutton via Therion
Evaristo An interesting situation. I have not tried to compile your data, but notice you have extend ignore prior to each set of splays. I don’t think extend ignore has any useful function with respect to splays (but I am not sure). I suspect what you have done is effectively follow ‘extend

Re: [Therion] Command extend

2020-09-06 Thread Markus Boldt
Thank you Benedikt! Von: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] Im Auftrag von Benedikt Hallinger Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. September 2020 14:21 An: List for Therion users Betreff: Re: [Therion] Command extend Yes, you are right. Am 06.09.2020 um 12:58 schrieb Markus Boldt :  Hi

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-16 Thread Stacho Mudrak
Thanks Marco and others for pointing these problems out. So I have another suggestion. Not to implement extend stop, equate, but add the possibility of 3 stations in extend ignore. I.e. extend ignore would mean, do not go to s3 if you came to s2 from s1. In your case Tarquin, specifying

[therion] Extended elevation

2005-03-05 Thread Roman Muñoz
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 00:21:22 +0100 Stacho Mudrak wrote: >> There is a new developement snapshot with new extended elevation >> processing. Now you can work with it like with plan/elevation >> projections. Specifications can be done via extend option in >> centerline

[Therion] extend

2018-06-08 Thread Marco Corvi via Therion
i think that extend should take values in the interval [-1,1], ie also fractional values, plus some special value such as "ignore" to open loops, and "undefined" to let the program choose, because it's a nuisance to enter a decimal number for every shot (legs + splays). therion

Re: [Therion] extend

2018-06-08 Thread Bruce Mutton via Therion
to do it, based on some combination of splay, leg and leg extend direction (difficult and arbitrary as a precise solution might be). A precise solution is a difficult concept where extend switches say from left to right – although the software coders will be the experts on this. At least

Re: [Therion] Extended profile problems

2019-09-08 Thread Martin Sluka via Therion
> 8. 9. 2019 v 9:20, Bruce Mutton : > >> I dislike taking out a survey shot. Maybe the thing to do is have a >> different centerline data file for generating this profile. > > You could see if extend hide or extend ignore will do the trick. Better than > r

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-11-10 Thread Bruce Mutton
e centreline to find the next deviation, and add another instruction. So it is not changing mind or contradicting previous statements. See sequence below. >What is makes me wonder is; why doesn't this exist? >extend break 6 >This could cause a centreline "weakness&quo

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-12-20 Thread Bruce Mutton
Tarquin, our messages crossed... > At least in my head, "extend vertical 3" feels like it should mean > "everything from station 3 onwards". I think Bruce also expected this, given > what he wrote in the wiki "extend" article: https://therion.spe

[Therion] Extended elevations - development snapshot (commit 6860f82)

2020-07-31 Thread Bruce Mutton
> there is a possibility to specify reduction ratio for extended elevation (0 = vertical, 100 = normal left/right) - just use "extend " I have a project that is just perfect for this, but have not been able to make it work. I expect I have not understood how the syntax is intend

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-16 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
> extend ignore 8 7 11 > extend ignore 6 7 12 > > should save the situation. Am I missing something? This is basically what I also thought; you need to supply three stations to control it. I was going to suggest the opposite notation: extend prefer 8 7 12 meaning "to get to 12

[Therion] Extended elevations from survex.data

2015-10-11 Thread Jenny Black
in the original .3d file for the cave (the same one I use to draw the plan), and then choose where to break loops (and extend legs to the right or left) in my .th file as documented http://therion.speleo.sk/samples.doc/25.html. For example: import ../../../all.3d -surveys use survey 107 centerline extend

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-12-03 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
> I have added > > log extend > > feature to thconfig. It should log the traversing sequence of extend > algorithm to therion.log file. Brilliant! Thanks Stacho :) I will add it to my wiki article. (And I have no doubt that Bruce will

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-12-20 Thread Stacho Mudrak
Hi Tarquin, I am afraid, I do not understand your problem. If extend algorithm follows stations in order 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 and you specify extend vertical 3 extend right 8 Then stations 3,4,5,6,7 should be placed vertical and 8,9 on the right. I have tested it and in my example

Re: [Therion] Command extend

2020-09-06 Thread Benedikt Hallinger
Yes, you are right. > Am 06.09.2020 um 12:58 schrieb Markus Boldt : > >  > Hi all, > the command „extend“ comes in the loop centerline / endcenterline in the > TH-File – right? > Best > Markus > > ___ > Therion

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-12-03 Thread Stacho Mudrak
Hi Bruce, I have added log extend feature to thconfig. It should log the traversing sequence of extend algorithm to therion.log file. HTH, S. On Thu, 14 Nov 2019 at 19:29, Bruce Mutton wrote: > Thanks Stacho, > > I have had a look through my projects, and I don’t think I have

[Therion] Problem using extend command

2009-02-23 Thread John Pybus
Hi, We're still working on our extended elevation, and have been having problems getting the centreline to work with extend configuration commands. We have found a number of occasions where an "extend reverse stationname" command reverses one leg at that point but doesn't app

[Therion] Extended elevation

2011-07-06 Thread Andrew Atkinson
I am struggling with the extend: left right normal and reverse, they do not seem to be doing what I would expect or as described at http://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/doku.php?id=tfc:321 therion 5.3.7 on debian wheezy These have been generated from the th file attached, which was an import from

[Therion] Conflict between "extend ignore" command and inverse legs

2018-06-06 Thread Evaristo Quiroga via Therion
, is only putting the target in the anterior point . With this I get all the data (leg and from and to splays) to be able to draw the sketches. You can look a example the data results:     extend left     82 81 10.47 147.7 1.4     extend ignore     82 . 0.53 230.7 1.2     82 . 1.85 66.3 -6.5     82

[Therion] revise extends

2014-02-20 Thread Stacho Mudrak
Hi Bruce, I am really sorry for late answer... As far as I know, if you change the extension options for a shot, there is no revision needed. All you need to do is to change extend options after entire centerline is loaded. Instead of revise, you should use "centerline" command. In

Re: [Therion] Help with extended elevation drawing

2022-11-10 Thread Axel
in this loop (regardless where they are, might be in different centerlines or surveys). I had problems with breakes at stations in different surveys and with equates attached to it before, try    extend ignore 33 (1 station before the equate). It should (like said, hard to tell for sure) solve

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-07 Thread Bruce Mutton
be better, as Tarquin suggests. >extend ignore end 8 7 #or >extend ignore 8 7 end Not sure about the word 'end', as it will not always be evident which end of a loop is the 'end’. Especially where there are loops within loops or beside loops. Maybe 'force'. Not sure about that

[Therion] Extended elevation

2011-07-10 Thread Bruce
Hi Andrew I have not really used extend yet, but have it in mind for some future projects. I am hoping to use 'revise' to allow multiple extended elevation projections of the same piece of cave and to move the 'extend' out of the survey data and into the map definition where it more logically sits

[Therion] Problem using extend command

2009-02-24 Thread Bruce Mutton
desire? "normal/reverse . extend given and following stations to the same/reverse direction as previous station. If two stations are given, direction is applied only to given shot. Bruce -Original Message- From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On B

[Therion] Extend

2013-09-05 Thread Dave Clucas
More tests test 5 centreline extend left 0 1 10 90 0 extend ignore 1 [2] 1 2 10 45 45 extend ignore 2 [5] 2 5 5 90 0 1 3 10 90 0 3 4 10 100 0 endcentreline This is more likeI want but would prefer 1,2,5 to be omitted. test 6 centreline extend left 0 1 10 90 0 extend

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-12-20 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
> If extend algorithm follows stations in order 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 > - 8 - 9 and you specify > extend vertical 3 > extend right 8 > Then stations 3,4,5,6,7 should be placed vertical and 8,9 on the right. > I have tested it and in my example, it works like this. In the cas

[Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-16 Thread Bruce Mutton
Stacho Could there be an ‘extend stop 7’, whereby the algorithm stops extending regardless of the direction and branch from which station 7 is traversed? In the diagram below it seems like station 7 could conceptually be encountered from station 6, 8 or 11. Would the ‘stop’ be invoked every

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-15 Thread Bruce Mutton via Therion
Stacho Stop seems like a keyword that probably evokes the right expectations from a user. Although, what are you thinking that a description of what it does would look like? extend stop 8 7 Maybe, “when extending along leg 8 7, stop at 7, backup and start extending at the next part

[Therion] extend hide

2012-03-31 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello "extend hide" lead to enlarge white space in XVI image of my extended elevation. Difficult to locate xvi content on large blank grid in small_part.th: extend hide 16 at small_part 16_back at small_part in thconfig: unselect whole_cave select small_part export -fmt xvi i

[Therion] extend vertical command

2007-10-05 Thread Stacho Mudrak
Gilbert Fernandes (mailinglist) wrote: > Hello > > I have seen an instruction in an therion exemple in the web site ( I > cannot find the url now) saying we can put vertical a survey (not > compleatly vertical) in an extended scrap. > This instruction is put in a cente

[Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-11-14 Thread Bruce Mutton
Thanks Stacho, I have had a look through my projects, and I don’t think I have ever used an ‘extend ignore station’ because of its unpredictable results (but I have used many ‘extend ignore leg’, which usually work as expected). A quick check seems to indicate all my projects are unaffected

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-12-20 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
> Pretty sure this is the way it is. Which is why I tend to use extend > rather than with a single . Yes, I think this might be something I will end up relying on, because it is much more readable, and understandable. And on top of that, you know that even if Therion gets changed to

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-16 Thread Stacho Mudrak
Hi Bruce, extend stop 8 7 would mean, that if the algorithm reaches station 7 from station 8, it stops extending, turns back, and continues from some previous stations. If the algorithm will go the opposite way (11->7->8), extend stop 8 7 will be ignored. And to the general question:

[Therion] extend hide

2012-03-31 Thread Martin Sluka
On 31.3.2012, at 16:13, Vasily Vl. Suhachev wrote: > unselect whole_cave > select small_part Just question: do you need ? Isn't enough Martin s.

[Therion] Extend

2013-09-04 Thread Bruce
Hi Dave Can you repost with labeled diagrams please? Bruce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:

[Therion] Fwd: Extended elevation discussion

2018-05-08 Thread Marco Corvi via Therion
here is a short mail exchange with bruce about "extend" i played a little with the extend command. there are many variations (1 and 2 are stations) - placing it before the data or after them - "extend ??? 1 2" or "extend ??? 2 1" - with an "extend ???" in

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-11-10 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
me wonder is; why doesn't this exist? extend break 6 This could cause a centreline "weakness", and prefer (but not mandate) breaking at that point. It would massively simplify this control, and be much more predictable. > try to change the line in your .th file from: > >

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-11-13 Thread Martin Sluka via Therion
coders however. There are three variants: extend ignore 5 6 extend ignore 6 5 extend ignore 6 Each one generates different export, but only that one, which is the most not logic - extended ignore 5 6 - generates what is expected. Try to generate files for "extend ignore X” for X = 2, 3, 4, 5 I

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-12-20 Thread Bruce Mutton
>> Extend in Therion is the same as the way PocketTopo implements >> 'flip' (equivalent to Therion's 'extend'). More precisely equivalent to Therion's 'extend reverse'. And my experience is that it is very confusing having it 'pivot on the station previous' in a graphic

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-07 Thread Bruce Mutton
Actually, I have found a way, but it is cheating, and not suitable for a real-life project. Just start the sequence from the other end of the survey. Now I expect it is not possible to make a gap at station 2. #set gap at station 7 by starting from station 11 extend start 11

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-14 Thread Stacho Mudrak
Hi, after returning from the caving trip, I would like to finish this topic. For me, adding another parameter to extend is a little bit problematic, I would prefer some new keyword. What do you think about: extend stop 8 7 S. On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 11:01, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-12-02 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
> This would make an excellent mini topic on the wiki (in the existing > article on "extend"). I have now added a new article, with details of the investigation: https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/breakingextend Because it uses a load of images, it was nicer to have it as a separate

Re: [Therion] Two extended profiles for same survey

2021-06-16 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
> Full description on the wiki https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/extend > The second option that Tarquin describes is set out towards the bottom of > that page. Pretty sure the answer is "no", but... Can you do this in a thconfig: source "cave.th" source "e

[Therion] Extended elevations with survex data

2007-11-28 Thread Stacho Mudrak
The problem, that therion exteded elevation was not designed to be used with extended 3d files import. You should be able to control xelevation using extend switch in centerline. Could you please try following: survey texa-elev import texa_extend.3d centerline extend start 3

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-11-14 Thread Stacho Mudrak
Normally, extend ignore 6 should do the job. But there was a bug in the code, so it did not work as intended. It should be fixed now in the latest commit. If some of you have more complex entended elevation projects, could you please check, whether this change does not introduce new errors

Re: [Therion] Export EE as .3D and ignore "survey does not exist"

2020-03-04 Thread Olly Betts
On Sun, Mar 01, 2020 at 09:34:32PM +, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion wrote: > > 1) Is it possible to export an extended elevation as a 3D file (like > > survex does)? For the purpose of 'debugging' the extends etc. > > I doubt this is entirely possible. There are so

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-07 Thread Bruce Mutton
I wondered if adding extend statements in-line with data would offer a solution, or at least some insight. If so I have not found it yet. Interested to see if anyone else can: 1. Make the loop generate anticlockwise and produce a gap at station 2, with the second instance of 2

[Therion] Extend

2013-09-03 Thread Dave Clucas
I'm totally confused about the use of extend. I understand right and left reverse but the hide and ignore are puzzling me. I have a cave which has three entrances with their passages all converging at a common point. I want to show an extended elevation from only one of the entrances

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-12-20 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
On 20/12/2019 20:58, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion wrote: >> If extend algorithm follows stations in order 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 >> - 8 - 9 and you specify >> extend vertical 3 >> extend right 8 >> Then stations 3,4,5,6,7 should be placed vertical and 8,9

[therion] Extended Elevation, and other questions.

2004-07-14 Thread Stacho Mudrak
at your code, and there are several errors in the exteded elevation stations specification. point 152.0 1010.0 station -name k1 at pinee8 -extend left -extend should be right, because you extend the stations to the right (k2 is on the right side of k1). Therion is not able to mirror scrap (currently). point

[Therion] revise extends

2014-02-09 Thread Bruce
and through trips, and so we envisage having perhaps two or three or more extended elevation projections (maps/scraps) as route guides. ie -proj extended:1 -proj extended:2 -proj extended:3 etc. A number of the passages will be included in more than one map, and the nature and location of the 'extend

[Therion] Problem using extend command

2009-02-24 Thread John Pybus
f you specify only one station it will work as you > desire? > > "normal/reverse . extend given and following stations to the same/reverse > direction as previous station. If two stations are given, direction is > applied only to given shot. Ah, that was not my unde

[therion] next dumb question

2005-02-23 Thread Stacho Mudrak
t; Next dumb question: what about extended elevation? To use > "extend" option in centerline is enough? Do I need have some scrap with > projection "extended"? Could LRUD data be used in map editor? Extended elevation is currently my nightmare :) OK - I will try to explain.

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-11-11 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
t is surveyed. This means that you must use your "extend ignore" in that same direction. "extend ignore 6 5" works, "extend ignore 5 6" does not. Apparently I am not the only one who finds this surprising. Also, just to be confusing, "extend ignore 6" will cause it t

[Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-11-09 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
to, and a dotted line connecting the two versions of station 6. Like this (if your email client shows this with a fixed width font): 66 / \ 1--2--3--4--5--7 We tried various "extend left" "extend right" and "extend ignore", and we managed to make it

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-07 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
> Well, there is one workaround. But to be honest, I have no idea why :/ > >     extend ignore 7 8 >     extend ignore 8 7 Wow! First thought is; that ... really shouldn't work, and it looks almost like a bug. Maybe there is logic though, if you look at those two statements in

[Therion] extend vertical command

2007-10-20 Thread Gilbert Fernandes (mailinglist)
find the url now) saying we can put vertical a survey (not >> compleatly vertical) in an extended scrap. >> This instruction is put in a centerline >> extend vertical n15 n16 >> But I cannot find it in the thbook.pdf, and it seems to not work in th

[therion] next dumb question

2005-02-23 Thread Roman Muñoz
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:11:11 +0100 Stacho Mudrak wrote: >> I would like to change it exactly the way, you suggested. To add >> extend option to centerline (remove it from point). Then extend >> centerline first - and then everything else will work normally. There >>

[Therion] extend

2018-06-09 Thread Bruce Mutton via Therion
After thinking in a more structured way, and after Evaristo’s clear explanation and request, I have gone back to my original line of thinking; that extend (left right vertical ignore) for splays has no direct meaning. Perhaps it is more correct to say; it is not generally meaningful to apply

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-07 Thread Stacho Mudrak
Well, there is one workaround. But to be honest, I have no idea why :/ extend ignore 7 8 extend ignore 8 7 Something like: extend end 8 7 ... would be definitely better. Is it OK to implement it like that? S. On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 11:38, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion < ther

[Therion] extend start mysteries

2022-06-12 Thread Bruce Mutton
Hello again I notice that the extend log sometimes includes many START statements. I can understand why the algorithm needs to reset itself once it gets to the end of a branch, and then backtracks all the way back to the original start, having generated all of the side passages on that branch

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-11-09 Thread Bruce Mutton
Like this? I find extend very trial and error. I looked at your file and looked at my wiki page, and decided it might not be easily possible. Then I tried it out, and on my second attempt made it work. This does not necessarily mean it will work as part of a large project however!! https

[Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-11-12 Thread Bruce Mutton
Hi Wookey, Tarquin, I agree that extended elevations are too unpredictable, hard to use, and that there needs to be a simpler way. Not sure if it is that there are bugs, that instructions and understanding is inadequate, or if there is required functionality that is missing. Because extend

[Therion] offsets and colour by map

2014-09-19 Thread Andrew Atkinson
Okay I can see how this behaviour would also be useful, however not always so it would be good to have an option of making the outline extend the boundaries something like OffShootM at OffShoot [0 -25 m] above -page-boundaries on please may I add that or equivalent, to the wish list Andrew

[Therion] An extended elevation problem

2007-01-21 Thread Eric Madelaine
Hello guys, I have a problem with a cave on which I would like to have a partial extended elevation. The cave is small, but the centerline has a loop, and when I compole an extended elevation, even with half of the loop flagged with a "extend ignore", Therion thinks that th

Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-12-02 Thread Martin Sluka via Therion
Thank you! Martin > 2. 12. 2019 v 9:22, Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion : > >> This would make an excellent mini topic on the wiki (in the existing >> article on "extend"). > > > I have now added a new article, with details of the investigat

Re: [Therion] Export EE as .3D and ignore "survey does not exist"

2020-03-01 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
> 1) Is it possible to export an extended elevation as a 3D file (like > survex does)? For the purpose of 'debugging' the extends etc. I doubt this is entirely possible. There are some kinds of extend options that Therion supports but Survex does not, such as "extend vertical".

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-08 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
> How about... > extend ignore 8 7 [ (from) | to ] > ... since we already use the from and to keywords with respect to stations at > each end of a survey leg? It's all good by me. The only reason I didn't suggest that keyword is that Therion is stepping through my loop backward

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-07 Thread Bruce Mutton
2 1.8 225 -32.2 7 11 190 -10 # set gap at station 2 extend start 1 extend ignore 2 10 extend left 8 processing extended elevation ... START 1@extendedloop RIGHT 2@extendedloop RIGHT 3@extendedloop RIGHT 4@extendedloop RIGHT 5@extendedloop RIGHT 6@extendedloop

Re: [Therion] Troubles with the 3D generation

2017-02-21 Thread Stacho Mudrak via Therion
es units length meters units compass clino degrees walls off data normal from to length compass clino extend right 0 - 6.92 140.9 0.2 0 - 9.02 171.8 7.1 extend left 0 - 4.31 203.5 -8.3 0 - 1.56 235.6 -16.0 extend right 0 - 4.36 95.7 -26.4 0 -

[Therion] flags

2011-12-10 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
Hello What are you think about second behaviour of "flags" command like second behaviour of "extend"? Example: flags duplicate 1 at survey flags not duplicate 2 at survey flags splay 1 at survey 2 at survey It is make possible to keep such commands in one place. -- WBR, Vasily

[Therion] extend hide + xvi

2009-05-19 Thread Stacho Mudrak
Thanks for pointing out. It should be fixed in the next version of therion. Please let me know if it will not work correctly. Best regards, S. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Vasily Vl. Suhachev wrote: > Hello! > > "extend hide" not work for xvi files on my Therion 5.2

[Therion] Bus error

2009-02-15 Thread Bruce Mutton
about revise, flip and extend that I, so I'll watch this space with baited breath. Bruce

[Therion] extend hide

2012-04-01 Thread Vasily Vl. Suhachev
01.04.2012 0:59, Martin Sluka написал: > Just question: do you need ? Isn't enough small_part> You right, in this case unselect is not necessary. But in some other cases "unselect whole_cave" is needed. And I just always use explicit unselect. -- WBR, Vasily

Re: [Therion] Disconnected centrelines - Extended Elevation Control

2017-04-08 Thread Martin Sluka via Therion
> 8. 4. 2017 v 0:51, Bruce Mutton via Therion <therion@speleo.sk>: > > and think I understand extend start, ignore, hide Bruce, have you try to create a nosurvey shot? Just between two stations you want to be in correct places? m.s.

Re: [Therion] log extend

2019-12-04 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
> * Right becomes LEFT > * Enumeration of the path stops at station 5, and misses legs 6 and 7 I have to admit to not understanding that debug output. It doesn't seem even slightly to represent the outcome. ___ Therion mailing list Therion@speleo.sk

[Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-12-03 Thread Bruce Mutton
to study the behaviour with some small projects and check the behaviour leg by leg. I have a lot of BACK extends, which do not necessarily match any of the extend options, and multiple STARTs and the odd extend to unnamed stations. I guess this is why I wanted the logging, so I could learn

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-07 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
> OK, I give up I think.  It might not be possible to break a loop at it’s > closing end. OK, so if even the extended elevation master can't do it, I don't have to feel like I missed something obvious... My proposed solution would be for "extend ignore 7 8" to tell Therion &quo

Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-16 Thread Bruce Mutton
first type of equate, is that which is necessary to join one survey to the next. Without this, you only have individual surveys that are not connected in any way. It would make no sense for Therion's extend to ignore these. The second type of equate, is the second, third etc to a particular surve

[Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations

2020-07-06 Thread Tarquin Wilton-Jones via Therion
11 190 -10 Imagine you want to break the loop at station 7, so that Therion shows 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-11 as a single line, then 2-10-9-8-7 as a branch off it. The break should be at the end of the branch: 10-9-8-7 / 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-11 If you say "extend ignore 7" or "ex

Re: [Therion] Extended profile problems

2019-09-06 Thread Bill Gee
ns come up. First, if I put survey stations in the scrap will they be used to scale the drawing? Second, can two (or more) such scraps be joined? -- Bill Gee On Friday, September 6, 2019 10:26:52 AM CDT Martin Sluka via Therion wrote: > Hi Bill, > > it looks you have not defined „ex

[Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended elevation

2019-11-11 Thread Bruce Mutton
ngs that threw me were: 1. That Therion is stepping *backwards* along the oxbow - in the direction of the cave passage from the "start" instead of in the direction that it is surveyed. This means that you must use your "extend ignore" in that same direction. "extend ignore 6

Re: [Therion] Splays - Revisiting Breaking extended elevations

2020-07-27 Thread Bruce Mutton
switched from in-line to data blocks for extends for the reasons outlined here <https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/extend> . Because I was already drawing completely electronic, not using pdfs or pencil sketches, I was using the xvi s exported from PocketTopo and so the Therion exports were a cur

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